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Title: MA: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (Tabled) Post by: HappyWarrior on June 13, 2012, 08:14:11 PM As Proposed by Mideast Governor Zuwo:
Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute The Mideast Sex Crime Statute shall be amended to read: Section 1 1. All those persons between the ages of 14 years old and 16 years old not incarcerated for crimes shall have the right to consent to engage in oral sex or mutual masturbation with persons between the ages of 14 years old and 18 years old. 2. All those Laws criminalising solitary masturbation are repealed. Section 2 1. Any sexual conduct with a person under the age of 16 years by a person over the age of 21 years is defined as statutory rape of the first degree. 2. Any sexual conduct with a person under the age of 12 years by a person over the age of 16 years is defined as statutory rape of the first degree. 3. Any sexual conduct with a person between the ages of 12 and 14 years by a person between the ages of 18 and 21 is defined as statutory rape of the first degree. 4. Any sexual conduct with a person between the ages of 14 and 16 years by a person between the ages of 18 and 21 is defined as statutory rape of the second degree. 5. Any sexual conduct with a person between the ages of 12 and 14 years by a person between the ages of 16 and 18 is defined as statutory rape of the second degree. 6. Any sexual conduct, except oral sex and mutual masturbation, with a person between the ages of 14 and 16 by a person between the ages of 16 and 18 is defined as carnal sexual conduct. 7. The clauses in this Section shall only apply to circumstances where all parties involved in the sexual conduct were willing, even though they are unable under the Law to give informed, legal consent. Section 3 1. Those guilty of Carnal Sexual Conduct may be punished by up to a year in prison and a fine of up to $2000. If released, a person guilty of this crime shall not be placed on the Sex Offenders Register. 2. Those guilty of Statutory Rape of the Second Degree may be punished by up to fifteen years in prison and a fine of up to $11250. If released, a person guilty of this crime shall be placed on the Sex Offenders Register for up to thirty years. 3. Those guilty of Statutory Rape of the First Degree may be punished by up to life in prison and an unlimited fine. If released, a person guilty of this crime shall be placed on the Sex Offenders Register for life. Section 4 1. Nothing in Sections 2 and 3 shall be construed to amend in anyway the definitions of, or punishments for, rape where consent by one of the parties involved is not given. 2. Section 3 of the Mideast Pornography and Sex Crime Statute is hereby repealed. Title: Re: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: California8429 on June 13, 2012, 10:49:23 PM Can the Governor make his case for this amended version?
Title: Re: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: ZuWo on June 14, 2012, 08:58:30 AM First of all, there's a typo I noticed. Section 2, passage 1 should read "Any sexual conduct with a person under the age of 16 years by a person over the age of 21 years is defined as statutory rape of the first degree."
Regarding my amendment: In general, it goes in the same direction as the current form of the Sex Crime Statute. The main difference between the two versions is that the bill I've proposed is more restrictive. Indeed, I am of the opinion that the kinds of sex crimes outlined under Section 2 are very problematic because they involve children or very young teenagers - it should be possible to punish people who commit such crimes more severely. Clearly, this goes hand in hand with Section 3, where I raised the maximum penalties and fines. In fact, this bill does not alter the main thrust of the original Sex Crime Act but it is a tightening of existing law. Title: Re: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: California8429 on June 14, 2012, 12:53:20 PM Quote Section 2 1. Any sexual conduct with a person under the age of 1416 years by a person over the age of 21 years is defined as statutory rape of the first degree. That needs to be fixed Title: Re: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: ZuWo on June 14, 2012, 03:08:36 PM Quote Section 2 1. Any sexual conduct with a person under the age of 1416 years by a person over the age of 21 years is defined as statutory rape of the first degree. That needs to be fixed That's what I mentioned in my post above. It should read 16 rather than 1416 years. :P Title: Re: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: California8429 on June 14, 2012, 05:39:07 PM Quote Section 2 1. Any sexual conduct with a person under the age of 1416 years by a person over the age of 21 years is defined as statutory rape of the first degree. That needs to be fixed That's what I mentioned in my post above. It should read 16 rather than 1416 years. :P Oh, I thought it was 14 and you wanted it to be 16 and it came out 1416 Title: Re: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on June 15, 2012, 12:03:59 AM according to section 6, any 16 yr old having sex with a 15 yr old is guilty of carnal sexual conduct. I find that ridiculous.
Title: Re: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: ZuWo on June 15, 2012, 02:49:15 AM according to section 6, any 16 yr old having sex with a 15 yr old is guilty of carnal sexual conduct. I find that ridiculous. I admit this must be fixed. Thanks for pointing that out! Title: Re: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: ZuWo on June 15, 2012, 11:38:52 AM What about the following amendment of Section 6?
Quote 6. Any sexual conduct, except oral sex and mutual masturbation, with a person 14 years of age by a person between the ages of 17 and 18 is defined as carnal sexual conduct. @A-Bob: I think we're misunderstanding each other. The original version of the Act said "14 years" and I wanted to make it "16 years". Then I made a typo and the bill read "1416". I want the bill to read "16 years" of course. Title: Re: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: ZuWo on June 18, 2012, 03:58:40 AM What do the members of this body think about my amendment of Section 6?
Title: Re: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: California8429 on June 18, 2012, 11:07:02 AM What do the members of this body think about my amendment of Section 6? Do you mean Section 2 clause 6? Title: Re: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: ZuWo on June 18, 2012, 03:01:56 PM What do the members of this body think about my amendment of Section 6? Do you mean Section 2 clause 6? Yes, you are right of course. I copied that wording from shua's post but it's a bit misleading. ;) Title: Re: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: California8429 on June 19, 2012, 06:29:26 PM What do the members of this body think about my amendment of Section 6? Do you mean Section 2 clause 6? Yes, you are right of course. I copied that wording from shua's post but it's a bit misleading. ;) Because these ages are so close, I'm think this might get a big chaotic. For instance, it is not uncommon at all for a freshman who is 14 to date a senior who is 18 in my town. A 2 year difference as rape in the 2nd degree I believe is extreme and will be a mess with dealing in court since so many people have relations with those slightly older or younger than them. Title: Re: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: HappyWarrior on June 19, 2012, 07:09:45 PM What do the members of this body think about my amendment of Section 6? Do you mean Section 2 clause 6? Yes, you are right of course. I copied that wording from shua's post but it's a bit misleading. ;) Because these ages are so close, I'm think this might get a big chaotic. For instance, it is not uncommon at all for a freshman who is 14 to date a senior who is 18 in my town. A 2 year difference as rape in the 2nd degree I believe is extreme and will be a mess with dealing in court since so many people have relations with those slightly older or younger than them. I've got to absolutely agree with this. Title: Re: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: ZuWo on June 20, 2012, 08:06:14 AM Quote Any sexual conduct, except oral sex and mutual masturbation, with a person between the ages of 14 and 16 by a person between the ages of 16 and 18 is defined as carnal sexual conduct. Keep in mind that this is taken directly from the old Mideast Sex Crime Statute - this clause has been in place for nearly seven years. My most recent amendment of this clause (the one I introduced after shua's post), which states that any sexual conduct except oral sex and mutual masturbation between individuals who are 14 on the one hand and 17 or 18 on the other hand is a carnal sexual conduct is actually a loosening of the current law. To illustrate my point: This is the current text of the clause in question: Quote Any sexual conduct, except oral sex and mutual masturbation, with a person between the ages of 14 and 16 by a person between the ages of 16 and 18 is defined as carnal sexual conduct. And this is my amendment: Quote Any sexual conduct, except oral sex and mutual masturbation, with a person 14 years of age by a person between the ages of 17 and 18 is defined as carnal sexual conduct. Title: Re: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: California8429 on June 20, 2012, 09:13:32 PM I think it may be more appropriate to loosen more of the clauses if my fellow Assemblymen agree with me now that this old statute has been brought up.
Title: Re: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: Napoleon on June 21, 2012, 02:13:15 AM I see a lot of fiddling around with various numbers, anyone willing to explain why we need them? Thanks.
Title: Re: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: ZuWo on June 21, 2012, 08:23:53 AM I think it may be more appropriate to loosen more of the clauses if my fellow Assemblymen agree with me now that this old statute has been brought up. Do you or any of your fellow Assemblymembers have concrete suggestions? I'm ok with loosening some of the clauses as long as the people involved are at least 14 years of age and the age difference between the individuals is not too big, but I will not accept a loosening of the law when children of the ages of 12 or 13 are involved. Title: Re: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: California8429 on June 21, 2012, 11:46:18 AM I think it may be more appropriate to loosen more of the clauses if my fellow Assemblymen agree with me now that this old statute has been brought up. Do you or any of your fellow Assemblymembers have concrete suggestions? I'm ok with loosening some of the clauses as long as the people involved are at least 14 years of age and the age difference between the individuals is not too big, but I will not accept a loosening of the law when children of the ages of 12 or 13 are involved. I agree, but for instance, Section 2 clause 4 and 5, I think a two year difference is too narrow an age difference and impractical. Yes Napoleon, we absolutely need set ages to clearly define rape and protect young Mideast citizens. Title: Re: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: Napoleon on June 21, 2012, 11:52:57 AM I am asking why thee specific ages and why all these various restrictions such as limiting contact to oral sex. What is the general purpose? Essentially, I would like to see an argument in favor of these changes. To me, it makes little sense to allow oral sex but not other forms of sex.
-Napoleon, concerned constituent Title: Re: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: ZuWo on June 21, 2012, 01:05:15 PM I think it may be more appropriate to loosen more of the clauses if my fellow Assemblymen agree with me now that this old statute has been brought up. Do you or any of your fellow Assemblymembers have concrete suggestions? I'm ok with loosening some of the clauses as long as the people involved are at least 14 years of age and the age difference between the individuals is not too big, but I will not accept a loosening of the law when children of the ages of 12 or 13 are involved. I agree, but for instance, Section 2 clause 4 and 5, I think a two year difference is too narrow an age difference and impractical. We could amend these clauses like this: Quote 4. Any sexual conduct with a person between the ages of 14 and 15 by a person between the ages of 18 and 21 is defined as carnal sexual conduct. 5. Any sexual conduct with a person between the ages of 12 and 13 years by a person between the ages of 16 and 18 is defined as statutory rape of the second degree. 6. Any sexual conduct, except oral sex and mutual masturbation, with a person between the ages of 14 and 15 by a person between the ages of 17 and 18 is defined as carnal sexual conduct. Do you think that's better? The law does not state that a judge is obliged to punish people who are involved in such a sexual conduct very severely or even at all. And by far not all of these cases are brought to court. Title: Re: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: California8429 on June 21, 2012, 02:45:11 PM Yes, I'll support the amendment.
Title: Re: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: ZuWo on June 21, 2012, 02:46:40 PM Yes, I'll support the amendment. Then I need someone to introduce this amendment on my behalf - I can't be Governor and legislator at the same time, I believe. :P Title: Re: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: Napoleon on June 22, 2012, 07:33:24 PM A year in prison because a seventeen year old has sex with his or her fifteen year old significant other is unreasonable. That could be a high school junior and sophomore.
Title: Re: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: ZuWo on June 23, 2012, 12:33:32 PM Honorable Assemblymembers; I would like to stress that it must be kept in mind that the punishments for all of these offences are flexible. Let's have a look at the appropriate section (3):
Quote Section 3 1. Those guilty of Carnal Sexual Conduct may be punished by up to a year in prison and a fine of up to $2000. If released, a person guilty of this crime shall not be placed on the Sex Offenders Register. 2. Those guilty of Statutory Rape of the Second Degree may be punished by up to fifteen years in prison and a fine of up to $11250. If released, a person guilty of this crime shall be placed on the Sex Offenders Register for up to thirty years. 3. Those guilty of Statutory Rape of the First Degree may be punished by up to life in prison and an unlimited fine. If released, a person guilty of this crime shall be placed on the Sex Offenders Register for life. Thus, a judge who deals with a case of such a sex crime only has to consider the maximum punishments that are mentioned in the respective sections; there is no minimum punishment for any of these sex crimes. For instance, if an 18-year old has sex with a 15-year old (the same principle basically applies to all sections of this bill) and this is brought to court, a judge can as well acquit the individual who is accused of the crime in question since the law clearly states that a judge may punish someone - a judge may, but doesn't have to punish the 18-year old in this case if he/she considers the circumstances and the context of the sexual encounter unproblematic. This is important to remember. I think we can pass this bill with a good conscience and trust our judges that they are able to rule in a way that makes sense. This bill gives judges an instrument to punish people who have committed real sex crimes, but at the same time it gives them the option to be very lenient if it is appropriate. Title: Re: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: tmthforu94 on June 24, 2012, 11:34:16 PM As one of the only teenagers who actually lives in the Mideast, I have serious concerns with these ages. Lots of high school relationships would be in jeopardy because of this. I'd be interested in hearing the argument behind these specific numbers, or if they were just chosen at random.
Also, are we really sending minors to prison over this? Title: Re: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: ZuWo on June 25, 2012, 04:02:57 AM As one of the only teenagers who actually lives in the Mideast, I have serious concerns with these ages. Lots of high school relationships would be in jeopardy because of this. I'd be interested in hearing the argument behind these specific numbers, or if they were just chosen at random. Also, are we really sending minors to prison over this? Ask badger and the members of the Assembly back in 2005 why they came up with some of these numbers - I have used these old ages as a starting point for this amendment and tightened them in cases where very young children are involved and where the age gap is very large. Indeed, defining age restrictions in legal matters is always arbitrary. For example, why should teenagers be allowed to drive cars at the age of 16? Why not at the age of 15, 17 or 18? Why should they have the right to buy certain kinds of alcohol only when they are 21, and not when they are 19, 20 or 22? It is your right to be unhappy with some of these ages but you won't be able to define these ages in a way that is less arbitrary. Also, please have a close look at the bill. As Section 3 and my previous post make clear, the punishments are not carved in stone. If a case is brought to court (and this is rare) a judge can acquit an individual any time because it is solely the maximum penalties that are defined. Our judges will punish an individual only if they consider a certain sexual encounter a case of sexual abuse. If the context of the sexual encounter is unproblematic because it is evident that the younger person was aware of what he/she was doing there is no reason to convinct the older person. This bill gives our judges a useful tool to punish those who deserve it but at the same time does not send minors to prison who have not committed a real crime. Title: Re: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: HappyWarrior on June 26, 2012, 07:55:33 PM Sadly with all the concerns raised in debate I think I may have to oppose this bill sadly unless serious changes can be made to the bill.
Title: Re: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: ZuWo on June 27, 2012, 06:34:15 AM Sadly with all the concerns raised in debate I think I may have to oppose this bill sadly unless serious changes can be made to the bill. I am looking forward to seeing concrete proposals of the things that need to be altered. The thing is, if we flat out reject my amendment we will return to the status quo, which also contains clauses like these: Quote 7. Any sexual conduct with a person between the ages of 14 and 16 years by a person between the ages of 18 and 21 is defined as carnal sexual conduct. 9. Any sexual conduct, except oral sex and mutual masturbation, with a person between the ages of 14 and 16 by a person between the ages of 16 and 18 is defined as carnal sexual conduct. https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Mideast_Sex_Crime_Statute Title: Re: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on June 27, 2012, 06:54:55 PM I'm sorry - can this get broken down to show what exactly the changes are from the current statute? I'm having a hard time following htis.
Title: Re: MA: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: ZuWo on June 28, 2012, 08:00:17 AM With pleasure, Assemblyman Inks.
Here's the current statute: Quote Section 1 1. All those persons between the ages of 14 years old and 16 years old not incarcerated for crimes shall have the right to consent to engage in oral sex or mutual masturbation with persons between the ages of 14 years old and 18 years old. 2. All those Laws criminalising solitary masturbation are repealed. Section 2 1. Any sexual conduct with a person under the age of 14 years by a person over the age of 21 years is defined as statutory rape of the first degree. 2. Any sexual conduct with a person under the age of 12 years by a person over the age of 18 years is defined as statutory rape of the first degree. 3. Any sexual conduct with a person under the age of 10 years by a person over the age of 16 years is defined as statutory rape of the first degree. 4. Any sexual conduct with a person between the ages of 14 and 16 years by a person over the age of 21 years is defined as statutory rape of the second degree. 5. Any sexual conduct with a person between the ages of 10 and 12 years by a person between the ages of 16 and 18 years is defined as statutory rape of the second degree. 6. Any sexual conduct with a person between the ages of 12 and 14 years by a person between the ages of 18 and 21 is defined as statutory rape of the second degree. 7. Any sexual conduct with a person between the ages of 14 and 16 years by a person between the ages of 18 and 21 is defined as carnal sexual conduct. 8. Any sexual conduct with a person between the ages of 12 and 14 years by a person between the ages of 16 and 18 is defined as carnal sexual conduct. 9. Any sexual conduct, except oral sex and mutual masturbation, with a person between the ages of 14 and 16 by a person between the ages of 16 and 18 is defined as carnal sexual conduct. 10. The clauses in this Section shall only apply to circumstances where all parties involved in the sexual conduct were willing, even though they are unable under the Law to give informed, legal consent. Section 3 1. Those guilty of Carnal Sexual Conduct may be punished by up to six months in prison and a fine of up to $1000. If released, a person guilty of this crime shall not be placed on the Sex Offenders Register. 2. Those guilty of Statutory Rape of the Second Degree may be punished by up to ten years in prison and a fine of up to $7500. If released a person guilty of this crime shall be placed on the Sex Offenders Register for up to twenty years. 3. Those guilty of Statutory Rape of the First Degree may be punished by up to life in prison and an unlimited fine. If released, a person guilty of this crime shall be placed on the Sex Offenders Register for life Section 4 1. Nothing in Sections 2 and 3 shall be construed to amend in anyway the definitions of, or punishments for, rape where consent by one of the parties involved is not given. 2. Section 3 of the Mideast Pornography and Sex Crime Statute is hereby repealed. Title: Re: MA: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: ZuWo on June 28, 2012, 08:07:14 AM And here's what my amendment (including the most recent changes which yet have to be voted on) would try to do:
Quote The Mideast Sex Crime Statute shall be amended to read: Section 1 1. All those persons between the ages of 14 years old and 16 years old not incarcerated for crimes shall have the right to consent to engage in oral sex or mutual masturbation with persons between the ages of 14 years old and 18 years old. 2. All those Laws criminalising solitary masturbation are repealed. Section 2 1. Any sexual conduct with a person under the age of 16 years by a person over the age of 21 years is defined as statutory rape of the first degree. 2. Any sexual conduct with a person under the age of 12 years by a person over the age of 16 years is defined as statutory rape of the first degree. 3. Any sexual conduct with a person between the ages of 12 and 14 years by a person between the ages of 18 and 21 is defined as statutory rape of the first degree. 4. Any sexual conduct with a person between the ages of 14 and 15 years by a person between the ages of 18 and 21 is defined as carnal sexual conduct. 5. Any sexual conduct with a person between the ages of 12 and 13 years by a person between the ages of 16 and 18 is defined as statutory rape of the second degree. 6. Any sexual conduct, except oral sex and mutual masturbation, with a person between the ages of 14 and 15 by a person between the ages of 17 and 18 is defined as carnal sexual conduct. 7. The clauses in this Section shall only apply to circumstances where all parties involved in the sexual conduct were willing, even though they are unable under the Law to give informed, legal consent. Section 3 1. Those guilty of Carnal Sexual Conduct may be punished by up to a year in prison and a fine of up to $2000. If released, a person guilty of this crime shall not be placed on the Sex Offenders Register. 2. Those guilty of Statutory Rape of the Second Degree may be punished by up to fifteen years in prison and a fine of up to $11250. If released, a person guilty of this crime shall be placed on the Sex Offenders Register for up to thirty years. 3. Those guilty of Statutory Rape of the First Degree may be punished by up to life in prison and an unlimited fine. If released, a person guilty of this crime shall be placed on the Sex Offenders Register for life. Section 4 1. Nothing in Sections 2 and 3 shall be construed to amend in anyway the definitions of, or punishments for, rape where consent by one of the parties involved is not given. 2. Section 3 of the Mideast Pornography and Sex Crime Statute is hereby repealed. Title: Re: MA: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on June 28, 2012, 05:23:30 PM I don't see any reason to change it. If anything, maybe loosen clauses 7-9.
Title: Re: MA: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: HappyWarrior on June 28, 2012, 05:43:19 PM I don't see any reason to change it. If anything, maybe loosen clauses 7-9. ^^^^^^^ This Title: Re: MA: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: ZuWo on June 29, 2012, 03:05:36 AM I don't see any reason to change it. If anything, maybe loosen clauses 7-9. I am ready to accept a loosening of clauses 7-9 if we at least tighten clause 2 so that it reads Quote 2. Any sexual conduct with a person under the age of 12 years by a person over the age of 16 years is defined as statutory rape of the first degree. We are dealing with sexual conducts that involve children who are younger than 12 so I think such an amendment can be considered appropriate. If we accept this amendment Sections 3 and 5 will become superfluous. Thus this amendment has the advantage of simplying the current Statute: Quote 3. Any sexual conduct with a person under the age of 10 years by a person over the age of 16 years is defined as statutory rape of the first degree. Quote 5. Any sexual conduct with a person between the ages of 10 and 12 years by a person between the ages of 16 and 18 years is defined as statutory rape of the second degree Title: Re: MA: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: ZuWo on July 01, 2012, 06:48:28 AM This bill has become such a mess that I would like to withdraw it. However, that's not the end of debate. I will work on a better version of this amendment, which would tighten section 2, clause 2 and loosen section 2, clauses 7 to 9 of the original statute.
Title: Re: MA: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on July 01, 2012, 10:30:51 AM This bill has become such a mess that I would like to withdraw it. However, that's not the end of debate. I will work on a better version of this amendment, which would tighten section 2, clause 2 and loosen section 2, clauses 7 to 9 of the original statute. Next time, I'd suggest using the original statute's text, striking through what you want deleted and bolding what you want added. That would make it MUCH easier to see what you're actually changing. Title: Re: MA: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on July 05, 2012, 07:12:06 PM Can we get this labeled tabled?
Title: Re: MA: Amendment to the Mideast Sex Crime Statute (In Debate) Post by: HappyWarrior on July 06, 2012, 12:50:53 AM Can we get this labeled tabled? Ah you are correct there sir. |