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I cordially invite you to check out the only Communitarian party in the US today, the Falconist Party. Our party combines the ideas of the right and left to take America and the world neither right, nor left, but up. Look us up on the web.

What are your ideas, specifically? And don't direct me to a website, tell us here and now.

I visited the party site out of curiosity. To sum it up in concise yet generalizing terms, the Falconist Party is very nationalistic, more neo-mercantilist than capitalist in spirit, culturally conservative on most issues, and neo-conservative on foreign policy. It favors a stronger military, eventual global domination by the United States (albeit not by force), a major role for the state investing in strategic infrastructure and shepherding markets toward national goals, promoting a set of wholesome values (especially respect for and discipline to authority), and accelerating our space program with a vision of founding orbital settlements and colonies on other worlds. Institutional reforms are also sought. CINC is correct in describing it as communitarian, incidentally, though it may be deceiving to describe its intended path for the world as "neither right, nor left," I reckon.

'Falconist', eh?  Reminds me of another ideology that begins with 'fa' and ends with 'ist'.

Their party platform is here: http://falconistparty.tripod.com/id7.html

Some of the more remarkable planks are below:


They call for implementation of the VAT and a Land Value Tax

They call for a collossal nation building program, up to and including " the establishment of new cities and communities in the sparsely settled regions of America where "economic refugees" and "evacuees from the inner cities will be resettled while the inner city communities are torn down and rebuilt. "

They call for the permanent  revival of FDR style public work programs to eliminate unemployment.

They call for a universal healthcare system based on vouchers.

They want the revival of conscription(universal rather then lottery based) for military training and civil service
      
They call for" the issuing of weapons to all law-abiding citizens as well as training all citizens in personal protection and homeland defense as well as the re-establishment of state militias."

They call for the subsidization of child bearing and rearing, coupled with a ban on abortion.          
      
They hold to a Puritan-style hostility against gays, drinking, gambling, smoking and pornography.

They call for for "laws and programs that will extend formal equality and equality of opportunity for all people of color and background.".... sounds like affirmative action, peculiar considering their generally social conservative tone

    
 They suggest a war against all regimes worldwide engaged in terrorism, tyranny, drug and human trafficking, atrocity, and genocide. War against China? Lol

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 They call for the annexation of Canada, Mexico, Greenland, and the rest of North America into the USA as states or territories, and "will also welcome any nation that wishes to join the USA as either a state or a territory. "
  

These are some truly scary viewpoints.

Oh, my God!

This is the party that captivates the nation and unleashes World War III in all of those movies! It's happening as we speak!

1.   We call for the enactment of laws, policies and Constitutional amendments that would break the two-party monopoly on our political system, reform the process of electing our nation’s leaders,  reduce graft and corruption, reduce the power of the Supreme Court, and restructure the federal government to complete its mission more efficiently and effectively.

2.   We call for the reform of the financial sector which would include replacing the Federal Reserve with a government-owned and operated Bank of the United States.

3.   We call for the replacement of our current tax code with a new system that is fair, paperless for most Americans, promotes economic growth, and raises the revenue needed to finance our programs as well as begin to pay down the national debt; may it be a flat tax, the FairTax, a VAT only plan, Land Value Tax, or a combination of flat income, consumption and land taxes.
   
4.   We call for a budget that is not only balanced but also makes paying down the national debt a spending priority and for the retirement of the national debt which will save America $300 billion a year on interest payments on the national debt

5.   We call for the largest rebuilding program in American history to be implemented to expedite the movement of goods and services; relieve traffic congestion, provide excellent health care; provide excellent educational services; refine and distribute drinking water from our oceans; to meet Americas growing energy demands; and to put millions of people to work at living wages.

6.   We call for the reservation of welfare for those who are elderly, infirm, and those who need a temporary helping hand; All those who can work shall work in the private sector if possible, in public service if necessary; in addition, we call for the revival of the Works Progress Administration, the Public Works Administration, and the establishment of a U.S. Green Corps to put all able-bodied unemployed people to work.

7.   We call for the consolidation and reorganization of federal agencies and offices across the board to make government more efficient as well as more effective.

8.   We call for the consolidation cities and counties across America to reduce the cost and graft of municipal government as well as handle problems that transcend current municipal boundaries such as urban sprawl.

9.   We call for a formation of a U.S. Coalition for Progress (USCFP) made up of public, private, nonprofit, and faith-based institutions to tackle social and economic problems of our day; the USCFP will harmonize the interests of business and labor in making and keeping our nation great.

10.   We call for the replacement of meticulous economic regulation with national broad ranged economic goals and creating a system of incentives for industry to meet national economic goals.

11.   We call for the democratization of transnational corporations through expanded customer and employee stock ownership and purchase programs.

12.   We call for policies that would preserve and revitalize family farms as well as small town America.


13.   We call for a campaign to end America’s dependence on foreign oil by developing domestic sources of fossil fuels in an ecological manner, implementing programs of conservation as well as developing alternative sources of energy such as solar, nuclear, geothermal, wind, and biomass.

14.   We call for the implementation of Universal Military Training and Mandatory National Service (civil and military).

15.    We call for increased benefits for veterans and increased compensation and benefits of career military personnel and their families.

16.   We call for the expansion and reform of the US Military to defend our homeland and fight the global war on terrorism.

17.   We call for the issuing of weapons to all law-abiding citizens as well as training all citizens in personal protection and homeland defense as well as the re-establishment of state militias.

18.   We call for the reorganization and streamlining of all Federal law enforcement agencies to defend our homeland and assist state and local law enforcement agencies in fighting crime more effectively.

19.    We call for reform of the judicial system, the enactment of a tough criminal code and for justice that fair, swift, and if necessary, harsh.

20.    We call for reform of the corrections system to rehabilitate as well as punish offenders; segregate the violent from the nonviolent offenders; and to reduce recidivism.

21.   We call for the recruitment, hiring, training, and deployment of a more police officers, firefighters, and rescue workers on America’s streets, arming police officers to the teeth, and increasing the pay and benefits of law enforcement officers, firefighters, and rescue workers.

22.   We call for the increased funding of education overall, increased pay of teachers; national education standards; allowing real choice between public, private, charter, nonprofit, or home schooling; and reforming education to produce a population that is employable, productive, literate, and possesses civic virtue.

23.   We call for the overhaul and expansion of Junior ROTC as well as expansion of Cadet Corps, Young Marines, and Civil Air Patrol programs to instill discipline, patriotism, and life skills in our youth.

24.   We call for the enactment of the Guaranteed Educational Access Plan (GEAP) which will issue certificates to citizens to enroll themselves and their children in educational institutions from Preschool to Graduate School; citizens will be able to attend any institution of higher learning that accepts them and their tuition and fees will be covered by the GEAP; citizens may use certificates to enroll their children in any school from Preschool to 12th grade or home-school their children.



25.   We call for increased legal immigration; however, we also call for the thorough assimilation of those immigrants into American society as well as the fortification of America’s borders to deter illegal immigration as well as drug smuggling, terrorism and human trafficking. All immigrants to learn English and swear to love and respect our flag. There shall not be any hanging of flags other than the American Flag, unless they also hang the American Flag beside it, while abiding the Flag Etiquette. All illegal immigrants shall be arrested, prosecuted and sentenced either to jail or service in the new Freedom Legions of the US Army.


26.   We call for the enactment of the Guaranteed Healthcare Access Plan which will issue healthcare certificates to all legal residents to enroll themselves and their families in the healthcare plan of their choice.

27.   We call for the enactment of pro-family policies such as annual grants for children; encouraging the adoption of older and at-risk children; enactment of the GHAP; and the outlawing of abortion in the USA.

28.   We call for laws that will restore public morality; define marriage as one man and woman bound together in holy matrimony; discourage smoking, drinking, gambling, and pornography.

29.   We call for both secular and faith-based institutions to be eligible for public funding and we call for the repeal of all laws and policies that restrict people of faith in practicing their beliefs or expressing their faith in the public arena.

30.   We call for laws and programs that will extend formal equality and equality of opportunity for all people of color and background.

31.   We call for the rebuilding of all cities, including our nation’s capital to eliminate slums, reduce crime, create vibrant and prosperous communities, and to provide affordable housing.

32.   We call for the establishment of new cities and communities in the sparsely settled regions of America where evacuees from the inner cities will be resettled while the inner city communities are torn down and rebuilt.

33.   We call for the establishment of Economic Refugee Centers (ERCs) where the homeless, unemployed, and underemployed will receive free food, clothing, shelter, and attain the skills necessary to be employed. After release from a ERC, refugees will be transported to the city of their choice and be given a sum of money to start a new life in that city.

34.   We call for withdraw of the USA from the WTO, NAFTA and GATT ,  unilateral foreign policies, and military action against all regimes worldwide engaged in terrorism, tyranny, drug and human trafficking, atrocity, and genocide.

35.   We call for the overhaul and expansion of the US Peace Corps and the US Foreign Service to make it more able to handle nation-building roles.

36.   We call for national level recruitment campaigns for teaching, law enforcement, health care, public service, supporting existing public service programs at colleges and universities nationwide, and the establishment a U.S. Public Service Academy.

37.   We call for the colonization of the oceans to provide new resources for the people of America and the world.

38.   We call for the development of a mature space transportation system; the colonization of the Moon, Mars, and other planets; and the establishment of space colonies in low Earth orbit.

39.   We call for the admission of Canada, Mexico, Greenland, and the rest of North America into the USA as states or territories, for the USA to encompass all of North America; we will also welcome any nation that wishes to join the USA as either a state or a territory.

40.   While the planks of this platform are national, even global in scope, we call for the state and local governments as well as the private, nonprofit, and faith based organizations to be the instruments of implementation of our policies, with state and local revenues as well as private contributions if possible, with federal revenues if necessary.

Newt? Is that you?

Space colonization is a plausable idea. We do have to take care of some stuff here on Earth first. However, a Falconist America will be the world's R&D laboratory. We will implement a national innovation strategy, reform the patent office, train millions of scientists, engineers and technicians, and spend 2% of the America's GDP on research and development.

Looks like we have our very first actual Fascist member!

Their website is hosted by tripod. How much more horrible can a party get?

In a long list of items that range from pablum, to nutter, to unwise, to cruel, to impracticable to truly frightening, number 22 regarding revamping education has some potential.


As to number 12, does that mean I get some more government money for the "family" farm? Putting aside the ethanol subsidies, which just convert into higher cash rent, I am getting about 10K or so now in cash government subsidies, just for owning the good earth, and putting unprofitable land into land banks and conservation programs, in exchange for cash payments per year per acre, and have managed in my short tenure as its master, to burn up about 50 hours of government workers' time to boot. I now have them busy designing grass filter strips to staunch erosion from an all too greedy river adjacent to the cropland, and tiling system, at their expense, not mine, as well as having their team of biologists review a "wetlands" determination on a 2.2 acre tract that I don't like, and think failed to hew to the proper protocols, which may then go to mediation, which the government will pay for as well, as we speak. Oh, and I have the army corp of engineers all fired up over a dike project per my latest brainstorm. With any "luck," I should be up to about 100 hours of their time by the end of the year. What kind of increase does your party have in mind?

Sometimes by the way, what makes for a "good" community, is just letting folks do their own thing, while staying off your lawn.  

Our website is no longer a tripod site. That was our first site. The official one is more advanced and not serviced by tripod.

Also, as far as our farm policy goes, our plan is for the government to purchase surplus agricultural goods and store them for future use or donate them to food banks. Our plan also calls for the limiting of development within the corporate limits of cities and towns, preserving most farmland and forests.

Regarding #17, are you going for a Swiss-type militia or just giving everyone an AK-47 and watching the chaos unfold?

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state".

I wholeheartedly support the space ideas.

Don't really like the rest of the platform overall, I'm afraid. But always nice for people to have more options.

Years ago I stumbled upon a webpage for a party who called for America to conquer the entire world and impose "American" values on all of civilization. It was the Empire or Expansion party, I cannot remember which one. Were any of your members involved in that?

Oh, pushing up crop prices some more. I like it!  Pity that will F the poorest of the poor on this planet, as the world wide price of grains goes up some more beyond that which the ethanol heist has effected, but hey, the poor are there, and we're here.

If you limit development within cities and towns, doesn't that mean more development without, chewing up land and more urban sprawl? I thought the game these days was to infill within cities and towns. Anyway, I don't want the town limits just 500 feet or so north of the farm to suck me in. That means a doubling of property taxes, and that I can't subdivide without paved streets and sewers and stuff. The poor slob owning a tract just to the north, can't do squat because of that, because he is in the city limits. All he can do is grow soybeans and watch the deer in the forest preserve next door (which we gave to the city, haha) eat it up. We or course have our adjacent land in a conservation program for more cash payments then we could get in rent. But he failed to navigate the traps to do that. You know, what you really need these days to "properly" manage a farm these days is a good lawyer!  Yes, you do. :)

With the rise in food prices, perhaps what we need to do is ramp up food production. We could shift agricultural production from tobacco to foodstuffs. We could train more farmers. We could send farmers overseas to train people around the world in modern farm methods.

And yes, we plan for a swiss-style milita system to support the standing military.

Marine? Marine is that you? You should be in Hénin-Beaumont, not restarting the National Front here.

I don't see why we need both. The military is just fine right now; the militia thing might be harder, but we could achieve it.

We need both cause it'd be funny as hell when every man in America (and presumably the Occupied Territories of South Texas, North Montana, Northeast Maine, and South Miami) is given an assault rifle and told how to use it.

How do we ramp up food production?  The answer of course is with more government checks to make profitable farming marginal land. I've got about 40 acres in mind myself, where cattle run at the moment.

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All I need is more government $$$$$, and it's a done deal.

But hey, I'm glad you have an open mind. I mean, your having done a 180 on one plank, we have only about 40 more to go, and we'll be there. :)

You know the military is high tech these days, requiring fewer folks but with higher skill sets don't you?

What is your party's stance on the theory of evolution?

Hmm.... what does that remind me of?

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Oh, Falconist! I'm so sorry. It's not like they could be the same word in different languages, right? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpus_Christi_massacre) Haha! Ha. Uh...

Lol

Our military can defeat most conventional forces with fewer but highly trained troops with advanced technology. However, to hold the ground, you still need lots and lots of infantry. Not to mention if we get into a war with China, Russia, India, Pakistan, Iran, North Korea or fight a two-front war, our small high-tech military would be put to the test.

Our small high-tech force vanquished the Iraqi army in a matter of weeks. However, we lacked the infantry to occupy the country. Had we occupied Iraq with 500,000 troops, there may have been no insurgency. Afghanistan would probably have required a million.

If we get in a war with Russia, 10 million cannon fodder conscripts isn't going to change anything.  Also, no way Pakistan and India fight on the same side against the US (or India and the PRC for that matter).

I'm one of the "hawkier" people around here, but maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't be in the occupation business?  There is nothing wrong, IMHO, with blowing a nation's military up and leaving a note that says something along the lines of "Remember that thing you did that made us come here and blow your sh**t up?  Yeah, don't do that again.  If you want help fixing your sh**t, give us a call, if not, we'll see you at the next UN meeting.  Good luck.".

And twirling towards freedom?

Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

This sounds like a caricature of what a "Simfan-party" would be.

Our system of UMT and Mandatory National Service is a hybrid of multiple systems such as Switzerland, Singapore and especially Israel.

You don't need to sacrifice quality or technological edge when adopting a conscript force. Germany and Israel fielded formidable high tech forces and both utilize conscription. While the All Volunteer Force won the American Revolution, Mexican War, Spanish-American War and Gulf War, it was armies that utilized conscription that won the Civil War, WW1, and WW2. Vietnam was a war where volunteers outnumbered conscripts because the draft had more holes than Swiss Cheese.

Sometimes, we do have to get into the occupation business otherwise you lose the peace. I wonder if we should be in the business of occupying, rebuilding and leaving because we rarely have anything to show for it. Maybe we need to at least start making these countries protectorates of the US.

I'm 12 and what in the holy f[inks] is this?

The Swiss thing is more about a men's camping trip periodically, and a big waste of time and money. They trek over the hills and dales, stop at a pub for a beer when not being watched, and have a grand old time. Officers get routed into banking jobs as their reward. Yes, I read a long article about it all by that most wonderful writer, John McPhee. Interestingly, the German speakers enjoy playing the game considerably more than the French speakers do. Maybe the French are more well rounded and have other hobbies. Maybe they are more oriented to indoor sports rather than outdoor ones.

Oh goody, we have an empire-ist.

And for the Israeli system? I think an Israeli mechanized division can give an American mechanized division for a run for its money.

Israel needs to rapidly expand its army given the hood its in, when trouble breaks out, and in a hurry. The place is too small to have that many folks in the military full time, and still be economically viable. The US is not in that position. One size does not fit all.

You do know that the US is broke right?  The US just does not have the economic muscle anymore to effect a muscular Pax Americana for the globe - nor the will, even if that were wise, and heck, the US was not even able to "pacify" Afghanistan after a 10 year run. How do you think we would do trying to pacify Pakistan for example?

13th Amendment.

How did I miss this beautiful, beautiful thread? 

I am very interested in your party good sir.  Please continue to keep us informed.

Yawn. Run-of-the-mill neo-fascists.

Google us on the web and you can find our website. You can apply for membership online

My favorite part of their 'About Us' page was this unexpected and inexplicable gem:

We have been talking about changing our electoral color. We wanted Purple, but that is unofficially the electoral color of the Constitution Party, Yellow/Gold is the electoral color of the Libertarian Party (unofficially). We looked at White, Silver, Black, Orange. In a recent poll, alot of people came out to favor "bronze". So we may repaint the red and blue sates "bronze". You may see "bronze states" in the future XD

i remember you recruiting on a certain teen politics site whose name escapes me about 10 years ago.  do you remember 'joey dauben' repeating all those alex jones talking points about owls? good times.

We have better times ahead. We have units in California, Washington, Virginia, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Ohio, Arizona, Georgia, Texas, and Indiana. We are also working on establishing overseas units of our party as well.

tbh your ideology reads like a bizarre cross between the original progressive movement, Bush era neocon fantasies (circa ~2002-2004) and falangism. how old are you dude.

We like to think our movement is where the New Deal meets the Moral Majority. Our party is in the tradition of the Federalists and Hamiltonians of the 1790s and 1800s, the Bull Moose Progressives of the 1910s, the New Deal of the 1930s (maybe some Huey Long influence there too), some aspects of JFKs administration may be found in our mix too regarding space exploration, tax reform, and a strong foriegn policy approach. But today, there is nothing like our party. Name one party that:

• That is pro-life on abortion yet calls for universal health insurance
• That calls for the equal development of both fossil fuels and alternative energy
• That champions both social and economic regulation
• That champions both the rebuilding of America as well as Afghanistan and Iraq
• That calls for increased educational spending but also for school choice
• That calls for a "single payer" system of education from preschool to grad school but also for universal military training and mandatory national service

BTW, here is a link to our official website (http://falconistparty.us)

You got me!  I can't name one.  You're the only one with that set of positions!  :)

Good luck turning America brown!

Or bronze XD

We had a large group on MySpace a few years back before MySpace abolished all groups

Woah, that's really exciting!  :o

What's the next step for your movement?  :)

We do have branches of our party in Washington state, Texas, NY, Pennsylvania, Indiana, Ohio, Virginia and West Virginia. Our plan is to be registered as an official political party in at least five states before holding a convention and registering as an official political party with the Federal Board of Elections. We will continue to establish branches in every state as well as units in every community. Finally, we plan to field a full slate of electoral candidates from POTUS to local dogcatcher.

I wonder...  Is there anyplace that actually does elect dogcatchers?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duxbury,_Vermont 

Oh Falcon, like the bird, not Falco, the German pop singer from the 1980s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5-XF_pnXX4).

What is your position on legalization of prostitution?

Given the above attitudes, and in particular the shorn the porn stance, I think you get to your answer a fortiori opebo. Their leitmotif seems closer to the Women's Christian Temperance Union.

I'm sure you can find elements of that in our platform too. Our party is where the New Deal meets the Moral Majority. We have elements of Hamiltonianism, Bull Moose Progressivism, Social Conservativism, JFK's New Frontier, and TR's foreign policy all in our platform.