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Title: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: Dereich on July 05, 2012, 09:03:46 AM
Yeah, this probably should have been done yesterday, but oh well. You can find the map of the laws for every state here: http://www.fireworksafety.com/laws.htm

HL.


Title: Re: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: RogueBeaver on July 05, 2012, 09:21:17 AM
Uber-HL


Title: Re: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: Supersonic on July 05, 2012, 09:26:36 AM
Horrible Laws.

Though 'Safe and Sane' regulations are probably okay. The fact that several Northeastern states actually ban fireworks is shocking.


Title: Re: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: politicus on July 05, 2012, 09:41:26 AM
One of those things the government should not interfere with.


Title: Re: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on July 05, 2012, 10:22:03 AM
Awful laws.


Title: Re: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on July 05, 2012, 11:02:27 AM
Horrible Laws. Minnesota's are pretty restricted but around here at least basically ignored, people shooting off fireworks for the past month and no doubt the next few days was a very common sound/sight. Hence my annoyance with Dayton for vetoing the bill to loosen them, there's no point in just having a pointless and not very enforceable law.


Title: Re: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: TJ in Oregon on July 05, 2012, 11:04:03 AM
In Ohio you're allowed to buy them but not use them, which is about the stupidest law ever.


Title: Re: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: Ebowed on July 05, 2012, 11:29:38 AM
Anyone ever had fireworks thrown at them?


Title: Re: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on July 05, 2012, 11:31:14 AM
Horrible Laws.

Though 'Safe and Sane' regulations are probably okay. The fact that several Northeastern states actually ban fireworks is shocking.


Title: Re: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: dead0man on July 05, 2012, 12:26:02 PM
Anyone ever had fireworks thrown at them?
Most of us were (or are) teenage boys at one time so...huh...obviously ;)  You haven't lived until you've had a good fireworks war with bottle rockets and roman candles.  Bottle rockets hurt more, but roman candle fire balls are far scarier.

As for the OP, HL of course.  Thankfully I've always lived in or near a state with liberal firework laws.


Title: Re: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: Oakvale on July 05, 2012, 12:26:15 PM
Freedom laws. F-ck fireworks.


Title: Re: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 05, 2012, 12:59:52 PM
Hilarious, given U.S gun laws. Objectively hilarious, maybe.


Title: Re: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: opebo on July 05, 2012, 01:14:45 PM
Hilarious, given U.S gun laws. Objectively hilarious, maybe.

That's right.  So many things of that nature in the US, of course.


Title: Re: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on July 05, 2012, 01:24:42 PM
Unless you are out in the middle of nowhere, restrictions make sense.   I'm not interested in having some idiot setting off airborne fire hazards near my house.


Title: Re: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: Franzl on July 05, 2012, 01:42:51 PM
Unless you are out in the middle of nowhere, restrictions make sense.   I'm not interested in having some idiot setting off airborne fire hazards near my house.

Just out of interest, how much gun control do you support?


Title: Re: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on July 05, 2012, 01:54:36 PM
Unless you are out in the middle of nowhere, restrictions make sense.   I'm not interested in having some idiot setting off airborne fire hazards near my house.

Just out of interest, how much gun control do you support?
I don't support weapons with explosive projectiles being unrestricted if that's what you mean.


Title: Re: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: Lief 🗽 on July 05, 2012, 02:36:00 PM
WTF is wrong with this forum. The government shouldn't be allowed to restrict fireworks? Really?! Jesus Christ.


Title: Re: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on July 05, 2012, 02:42:56 PM
Unless you are out in the middle of nowhere, restrictions make sense.   I'm not interested in having some idiot setting off airborne fire hazards near my house.

Just out of interest, how much gun control do you support?
I don't support weapons with explosive projectiles being unrestricted if that's what you mean.

     "Weapons with explosive projectiles" is a rather interesting way of characterizing fireworks.


Title: Re: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on July 05, 2012, 02:52:50 PM
Horrible laws, and you'll be happy to know that large swathes of Massachusetts essentially ignore them as a Boston-area imposition on our FREEDOM.jpg, particularly Cape Cod and places like Franklin/northern Worcester Counties.


Title: Re: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: Donerail on July 05, 2012, 03:54:48 PM
Unpatriotic laws. Thankfully, fireworks are perfectly legal around here, so long as you're using them for 'agricultural' (;)) or 'quarrying' (;)) purposes.


Title: Re: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on July 05, 2012, 04:35:02 PM
Unless you are out in the middle of nowhere, restrictions make sense.   I'm not interested in having some idiot setting off airborne fire hazards near my house.

I had an idiot neighbor doing exactly that last night.


Title: Re: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on July 05, 2012, 04:36:36 PM
But if you are in the middle of nowhere, they are HLs, and all of the states that ban fireworks outright do in fact have remote areas in them, even New Jersey (okay, Rhode Island is iffy, but it's not entirely Providence). Fireworks should be restricted locally or covered by other laws about hazards and nuisance.


Title: Re: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on July 05, 2012, 04:40:37 PM
Screw 'em.


Title: Re: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: Redalgo on July 05, 2012, 07:54:09 PM
HLs - just make the users liable for damages so there's an incentive against using them foolishly.


Title: Re: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: Boris on July 05, 2012, 08:04:14 PM
I've set off fireworks a couple times over the past twenty years just to rebel but I did not do so last night (although others in my party did). People in Illinois who live near the Indiana border go there to buy them; the approach to Indiana via Highway 80 is peppered with billboards advertising fireworks stores located near the border.


Title: Re: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: nclib on July 05, 2012, 08:33:43 PM
HL, if absolute. FL, if reasonable restrictions to protect safety.


Title: Re: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: Donerail on July 05, 2012, 08:36:06 PM
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Green is freedom states, blue is semi-freedom states (how much depends on how strict state laws are), yellow is horrible state, and red is mega horrible state.


Title: Re: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: Goldwater on July 05, 2012, 10:04:53 PM
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Green is freedom states, blue is semi-freedom states (how much depends on how strict state laws are), yellow is horrible state, and red is mega horrible state.

Although it's worth noting that some of the green states have areas that aren't green, such as Washoe County in Nevada. :(


Title: Re: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: Napoleon on July 06, 2012, 12:40:06 AM

Dangerous, loud, polluting, messy traffic hazards. That being said, I don't really care one way or another. The outrage some would have over their banning is odd to me though.


Title: Re: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: Zioneer on July 06, 2012, 12:42:07 AM
Actually, my state has had a rash of wildfires this year (one of the driest years on record), so I don't honestly know how to feel about these laws. On the one hand, I don't want to ban all fireworks (the one issue that I'm more right-wing on then the Democratic gubernatorial candidate I've volunteered for), but on the other hand, I can see the logic in regulating them, and hunting guns+fireworks have been responsible for a couple of those fires.

I went with Freedom Laws just to buck the trend, but honestly, beyond strict fines and regulations on them, I don't want to ban fireworks.


Title: Re: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on July 06, 2012, 01:01:11 AM
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Green is freedom states, blue is semi-freedom states (how much depends on how strict state laws are), yellow is horrible state, and red is mega horrible state.

That map is kind of misleading for Minnesota, the only legal fireworks here are ones that don't shoot into the air, so basically the more boring ones. Of course people just import them from Wisconsin which is far less restrictive, and still shoot them off everywhere. I actually saw people shooting them off in public parks of all places yesterday to give an idea of how widely ignored the law is.


Title: Re: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: FEMA Camp Administrator on July 06, 2012, 07:42:03 AM
Completely horrible laws, despite what parents may say.


Title: Re: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: 7,052,770 on July 06, 2012, 01:18:19 PM
"Safe and sane" with permits for special events to have bigger ones sounds like a reasonable, fair compromise.


Title: Re: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: TheDeadFlagBlues on July 06, 2012, 02:18:44 PM
They're obnoxious in any area that is remotely urban. That being said: the factor that makes them annoying is who uses them and how they use them. When people go out into the middle of the street in residential areas to light some kiddieworks off because they're scared of their precious patios being injured, they're the bane of the neighborhood on the 4th. When they're the expensive illegal ones, it's fun to see your neighbors light them off.

Also @deadman0 that's something I used to do annually with my friends (and still do for some reason). Is it moronic and dangerous? Yes. Does it lead to great stories and tons of fun? Yes.


Title: Re: Opinion of anti-fireworks laws
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on July 06, 2012, 10:42:33 PM
Ambivalent, though like Al I think it's kind of hilarious that these laws exist considering the state of American gun laws, and like Lief I don't understand why it's such a crazy notion that the government might enact restrictions on what are essentially explosives.