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Friends and Midwesterners,

I come before you today under the purview of the Fourth Constitutional Convention bill, which reads as follows:


Please sign in here by signing your name, as I am here:

ilikeverin

It is clear that the Third Midwestern Constitution is utterly inadequate for our present needs.  Without any regular series of elections and propositions, our region has lapsed into utter inactivity.  What we need now is change.  I welcome your suggestions for what we should do ;D :D ;D *hughughug* ;D :D ;D

We're Midwesterners, so we can dispense with formality.  Let's sit and chat and bring things to a vote as needed.  (96 hours to vote on things, perhaps?  Don't forget to send out nice PMs to remind people to vote for important stuff!)  If we decide we want to have a chair, well, it can't be me, as I'm off to Europe for three weeks starting on Tuesday the 17th of this month.  But I'm sure we can find someone.

I think I moved here a few months ago from the Pacific, so, I'm in.

MaxQue.

x Kalwejt

Remind me of this once you start voting, so I can complain after it is too late and vote against your silly proposals. :)

dead0man

angus

I'm here

Fritz

Alright, well, to make sure this thread doesn't die before I head to Europe, let's talk about what issues we need to address, shall we?

• Gubernatorial Reform. We need to figure out what we're doing with the Prime Verinship.  I propose reverting the Prime Verinship to a gubernatorial system, with regular elections.  We need to make sure we don't have long periods of time where there's no gubernatorial election because people forget to hold one, as well as make sure people know when elections are actually being held.
• Alþing Reform. We need to determine the responsibilities of the Alþing.  Personally, I think we need to make sure laws are voted on only occasionally, perhaps simultaneously with gubernatorial elections, to keep interest and participation high.  I know the idea of an elected Alþing has occasionally been mooted.
• Amendments. We need to make amendments easier to pass.
• Names. We need new names for our new offices, when applicable.  And perhaps a new official name for our dear region?

Is there anything else we want to address?

Given the strong presence of Labor now in the region, this may also be an opportune time for us to incorporate into the document some basic, progressive principles to which the Alþing's acts should adhere. I fully intend to introduce a proposal for the fourth constitution this coming week that will be open to deliberation and amendment by my colleagues gathered here at the Convention. If this would be agreeable to you, Ilikeverin, I would also take the liberty of trying to include all of your suggestions - and any others which are made in this thread in the meanwhile - into my proposal.

The language I use would be non-partisan and aim to to leave our governing institutions flexible enough to legitimately explore many paths of policy, including many to which I am firmly opposed.

x A-bob

Requesting observer status

Sure, sounds wonderful! :)  The Midwest has always had a strong reformist tradition, with a long history of reformist leftist movements doing well (though at the beginning of its inception it was a swing region in terms of left/right).  I look forward to your proposals.

Okay, this stuff here is pretty rough around the edges, strayed a bit from my initial goals, and might even be a bit too informal for the Midwest, but rather than editing this for a couple days I figured it'd be best just to put it on the table and figure out which parts of it might deserve to stay, which parts just need a wee bit of tweaking, and which really need to get tossed out in a big hurry. For reference, "Makawakana," pronounced, "MAW-kah / wah-KAW-nah" is "Sacred Ground" translated very loosely into Lakota-Sioux. I figured a Native name would make the region sound far more distinctive than giving it a geographical label.

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Preamble:

We the People of the Midwest Region, to honor our ancestors and ensure the fair health and wellbeing of our progeny for many generations to come, do recognize the necessity of a codified Constitution for the harmonious regulation of conflicts of interests betwixt diverse Persons and Factions, and do hereby found the Makawakana Nation and declare this Constitution to be the foundation for its righteous, valid governance. May it forever henceforth stand guard o'er the rights, privileges, and cultural characters of our Peoples!

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Section I:

By consenting to the implementation of this Constitution and by accepting its legitimacy, the People and their Government acknowledge that theirs is a relationship with a number of rules and restrictions institutionalized to ensure their mutual wellbeing.

(a) - No act of regional government shall impede or infringe upon the rights of the People to:

• Free thought, expression, conscience, creed, and cultural identity...
• Free movement, association, and participation in cultural rites...
• Shelter, food, water, clothing, medical care, education, and healthful environs...
• Private possession of and secure control over use of their property...
• Representative democracy in the politics of the state and economy...
• Due process, fair trials, and uniform treatment under the law...
• Equitable recognition of consensual civil partnerships under the law...
• Recourse for significant abuses of the body and mind, and for defamation...
• Security of person from execution, exile, torture, and uncivil punishments...
• Ample time off from work for sleep, leisure, and other necessities of life...

Except for when the exercise of rights aforementioned is construed to present a dire, reasonably well-understood threat to the physical and/or mental wellness of persons. These ten items shall be known collectively as the Checklist of Untouchable Social Privileges.

(b) - In exchange, no act of the individual shall impede or infringe upon the rights of state to:

• Enact and enforce laws in compliance with the contents of this Constitution...
• Accrue and appropriate funds for performing state functions via taxation...
• Defend itself from violence, foreign invasion, and domestic treachery...
• Establish and maintain Land, Sky, and Wave Corps for peacekeeping...
• Defer to the authority of the Republic of Atlasia when it is proper...
• Confine, isolate, and rehabilitate persons found guilty of crimes in court...
• Teach people the value of mutual respect and peaceable coexistence...
• Discretion in resolving conflicts of interest betwixt rights of the People...
• Confiscate heavy weapons from private owners without compensation...
• Ensure that all members of society can fruitfully participate in public life...

Except for when the exercise of rights aforementioned is construed to present a dire, reasonably well-understood threat to the people of the nation, by the people of the nation, in which event they are to take all necessary steps to check the power of the state.

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Section II:

(a) - The Alþing shall serve its legislative and executive functions in Cheyenne, Rosiness.

(b) - Five Folk Representanter are to be elected at-large on the first day of January, May, July, and October via party-list proportional representation. A representant cannot have a seat in the Alþing for more than two sessions (whether complete or not) per year. Their votes shall decide on matters pertaining to the creation, and passage, of legislation.

(c) - One Regional Kommissær is to be elected at-large from among the five elected representanter on the eleventh day of January, May, July, and October using the alternative ballot to discern which candidate receives an absolute majority of the vote. The winner is to serve as a Folk Representant, head of government, and as the official "Lord of the Cakes."

(d) - No rules of procedure shall be formalized by the Alþing. It shall build consensus or, in lieu of settling conflicts with words, resolve differences via games played by those of the representanter in a row. Failing that, the Regional Kommissær is to have the final say and ensure that the representanter exchange *hughuggrunt*s and feast on cake together.

(e) - If a Representant is to be absent, they may pick anyone to temporarily fill their seat.

(f) - A constitutional amendment requires four or five Representanter "you bet" votes to pass.

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Section III:

(a) - The Depositaren is to serve its investigative and judicial functions in Belle Fourche, Vitality, where a grand, weatherproof temple of knowledge shall be built and maintained in perpetuity using regional public monies. The facility is to conduct research, double in its functions as a museum and learning center, and shall be "The Library of Makawakana."

(b) - Therein shall reside a Wisard Ekstraordinær tasked with deciding on whether legislation passed by the Alþing is in complete compliance with this Constitution. He or she serves as the ceremonial head of state and "Hugger in Chief," oversees all elections, is a regional spokesperson, and counsels the Kommissær on nominations and other stuff.

(c) - If the Wisard Ekstraordinær deems legislation unconstitutional, he or she strikes it, rendering the legislation annulled unless the Alþing can muster a unanimous vote for an override before the end of its session. The Wisard keeps their seat until a challenger can best them in a spontaneous, two-candidate regional election overseen by the Kommissær.

(d) - The Depositaren shall be administered by the Wisard in such a way as to promise the people of the Makawakana Nation free and fair elections, a transparent government, progress in areas of scientific research, and the fruition of new works of aesthetic art by citizens of the region. Rumors shall also be spread to children that legendary critters and figures of folklore like Santa Claus, Paul Bunyan, and Dave Leip dwell in Belle Fourche.

(e) - A Wisard Ekstraordinær is required to always wear a robe when in public, abstain from cutting their hair for the duration of their tenure, procure and lovingly care for at least one exotic pet, dispense ;D and >:( emotica on behalf of the regional government, don a flamboyant hat, and reach out to the mass media to foster good political dialogue.

(f) - If the Wisard cannot *nyuknyuknyuk* at something it is not worth taking seriously.

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Section IV:

(a) - Until regularly scheduled elections can be held in October, signatory members of the Fifth Midwest Region Constitutional Convention shall be tasked with nominating and electing all Folk Representanter, the first Regional Kommissær, and first Wisard Ekstraordinær to office. Citizens may not challenge the Wisard until the first free election of the Alþing.

(b) - The eleven states of Makawakana (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/GALLERY/6537_19_07_12_1_50_24.PNG) shall be as follows:

• Joy (Minnesota)
• Mirth (Colorado)
• Bluster (Oklahoma)
• Moxie (Iowa)
• Swagger (Kansas)
• Befuddlement (New Mexico)
• Grit (Nebraska)
• Wonderment (Montana)
• Vitality (South Dakota)
• Serenity (North Dakota)
• Rosiness (Wyoming)

(c) - The official symbols of the region shall be as follows:

• Anthem - Makawakana, for Thee!
• Bird - Black-billed magpie
• Cat - Fritz
• Colors - Copper and gold
• Emotica - ;D and >:(
• Flag - Click Here (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/GALLERY/6537_19_07_12_1_38_14.PNG)
• Flower - Sunflower
• Gesture of Affection - *hughughug*
• Gesture of Solidarity - *hughuggrunt*
• Motto - Granumi hoc Bonus
• Muffin - Blueberry
• Toast - Skål!

(d) - The official holidays of the region shall be as follows:

• New Year's Day (Jan 1)
• Groovy Day of Love (Feb 14)
• Earth Day (Apr 22)
• International Workers' Day (May 1)
• Facial Hair Appreciation Day (Jul 6)
• Hug Gustaf Day (Jul 14)
• Halloween (Oct 31)
• Native Atlasian Heritage Day (Nov 28)
• Human Rights Day (Dec 10)
• Christmas Day (Dec 25)
• Kwanza (Dec 26 - Jan 1)
• The Festival of Light (Variable)
• Muslim Friends Day (Variable)

(e) - In casting votes, except for in the case of preferential ranking, an affirmative attitude shall be expressed using an expression of, "ya," "you bet," "you bet'cha," or " ;D ," while any votes cast in opposition are to be expressed as, "na," "oh deev," " >:( ," "uff-da," or a variation thereof.  

(f) - The national languages of Makawakana are English, German, and Norwegian (Bokmål). Other languages may be spoken either in private or public but the state shall only accommodate their speakers within the bounds of what its limited resources can reasonably provide for, with the exception of Native Atlasian languages, which the state shall actively seek to protect and preserve.

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I've always thought a leaning center would be a cool place to hang out at.  Lots of posts and bars and such.  Everybody smoking, drinking strong drink and wearing cool old hats.

Seriously though, I like most of that...the only issue I can see I might have is where the line is drawn between the first of the rights of the people (free expression) with the seventh right of the state (make sure the sensitive aren't offended).

Yeah, I was mulling over that a bit myself. A lot of countries use incitement of group hate as the cutoff point for their freedom of speech, but transplanting that to our culture may not be the best of ideas. If you'd prefer I'd be perfectly willing to either water down that provision or to remove it from the document entirely - though I would like to keep the list in question at ten items in length.

Would, "Teach folk the value of mutual respect and peaceable coexistence..." be satisfactory?

Also, I'll take care of  the leaning typo, though given the character of the region I wouldn't be ruling out any smoking, drinking, or wearing of the hats!

How are you guys going to keep those offices and titles straight?

Easily, for me. Not so sure about anyone else. This thread is very quiet, which makes me a bit concerned that the Midwest might be irreversibly inactive. Anyway, I'm going to make that adjustment I mentioned since dead0man hasn't posted anything else. xD

Sorry, didn't know you were waiting for me...I guess there was a question aimed in my direction...understoodI suppose.  We certainly should have those things and I guess a class required for graduation from secondary school would be acceptable.Hey, I smoke, drink and wear a cap...I propose the Leaning Haberdashery Lounge as a place for casual conversation and the making fun of the other regions.

I support it.

Don't worry, I'll try to give comments ASAP.  Europe is busy, unsurprisingly!

Thoughts, tweaks, comments, etc.:

1. We should make sure use of "Nation" for our region doesn't conflict with any regulations about the use of the term nor is unpleasant to any Native American tribes.
2. Though I love the name "Makawakana", but I'm not sure its symbolism is perfect.  Maybe Makakapana, something similar to "grain-land" maybe kind of and also rather silly looking?
3. I absolutely love the Checklist of Untouchable Social Privileges (CUSP)!
4. Assuming we'd want 10 items for the Checklist of Agreed State Tasks (CAST), I'd like to replace the provision allowing for the Land/Sky/Wave Corps.  I don't think we need a regional army.
5. I think the gun control clause ought to be a bit more strict; we should say something that allows for a reasonable level of gun control over and above "no heavy armaments" (e.g., though I'd certainly go further, I think everyone can agree that, say, schizophrenics, should not be allowed to buy guns).
6. No, no, no, the capital simply must be Belle Fourche for all purposes.  Except I think it should be renamed for Cheesewhiz for obvious reasons.
7. The government titles are appropriately loony and I give them a ;D for sure.  But I of course strongly disagree with the existence of an elected legislature, and even if we have one I think 5 is too many.
8. Relatedly, a one-day election is much too short.  We used to have 7-day elections, which I think are better than the general 3-day ones.
9. II(d) is wonderful and I support this.  What is a *hughuggrunt*, though?
10. Section III is made of wonderful and rainbows and sparkly.  I love everything in it.
11. I very much approve of the residual irridentialism in Section IV (see: the state formerly known as New Mexico).  We may wish to have a chat about state names at some point, but I like many of these.  "Befuddlement" and "Rosiness" are the ones I'm a little iffy on.
12. IV(f): I'm torn on this one.  On the one hand, having lots of silly official languages is good.  On the other, I'm a linguist.  I'd rather we had none.  What language it is that we use should depend on the people in the Region; it shouldn't be imposed by fiat.  At the very least, we should have something about not supporting any particular standard of English for speech for classroom instruction or the like.

Hmm...



I have become irrationally fond of the the "Makawakana" name in the spirit of Midwestern self-aggrandizement, and reckon it is a less Euro-Atlasian than respectfully Native Atlasian way to refer to the states of the Great Plains. However, would it suffice to replace the label "Nation" with something toned down a bit (Republic) or even labourite (Workers Region)? I think it is important we can all agree on a name but I'm not sure if I much like this new pitch.

In terms of not being offensive, however, which is of considerable importance, how do you propose we go about ascertaining whether to proceed? I fully intend to err from my preferences if/when it is determined that a choice in names could be misinterpreted or seen in any way as disrespectful.



I initially intended for the three corps to be more of a civil service force administered region-wide for the purposes of enforcing laws, serving as game wardens and rangers in regional parks, being our boots on the ground for responses to natural disasters, and so forth. But if you reckon it is an ill-conceived idea, I am sure there are alternative ideas we could explore for rounding off the Checklist of Agreed States Tasks.  



Perhaps I could broaden the state's room for interpretation a bit more by giving it authority to regular "tools with potentially lethal applications," or would that be going to far in the other direction? There are some people in this region who strongly support gun-related rights - and to be honest I lean somewhat in that direction myself - but I am sure we can agree on some basic, sensible guidelines to adhere to with something like this. When I hear back from you on these issues again in another post I'll try to respond with a quoted copy of the constitution covered with new markups to see if we've found sufficient common ground. Ya?



This is an incredibly good idea. Given the low population of the-town-soon-to-be-renamed-as-Cheesewhiz, however, it would be prudent to keep the proposed parliament of sorts in Cheyenne, ya? I'm willing to make Belle Fourche the official capital though, just to be clear.



I in turn am strongly opposed to direct democracy and am concerned that a lack of elections is contributing in part to the virtually complete inactivity of the Alþing. If the convention can think of a way to boost participation, however, I am willing to have universal membership (sans the Wisard) in the  Alþing under the added condition that it be phrased in the constitution in such a way as to construe every player in the Midwest has been elected from one of our region's sub-administrative districts and that we simply never bother with conducting the elections in-game for lack of hundreds of players to necessitate such a multi-tiered division of labor (i.e. the "elections" occur on a regular basis and assume we keep getting reelected unless someone leaves the region or forum altogether, in which case we could act as though they lost a bid for reelection... or something like that). I'm not sure if I'm making a lot of sense here now. Hopefully someone is following my line of thought. Ideas? xD



Okay, fair enough. If Befuddlement and Rosiness are out, do you have any preferences for what to replace them with? Once we've all settled on the names I will gladly edit the map I made awhile back. It shouldn't take more than ten minutes or so to take care of, I suspect.



It is a Midwestern custom I've fabricated out of thin air which involves two people first firmly grasping their right hands, followed by a hearty, belly-to-belly bear hug with two pats of the back for each participant using both the left and rights hands. The ritual ends with a guttural sound of ones choice to express mutual approval, fondness, and/or physical discomfort from being too close to one another for enough seconds to make the whole experience somewhat awkward. It's a more formal, dignified, and "serious" variation of the traditional *hughughug*.



This is perfectly understandable. I proposed a Norwegian official language mostly as a cultural counter to giving privileged status to English and German. If you and the others here would concur, I would be willing to do away with official languages in the Midwest Region altogether.


If you would permit me the honor of doing so, by the way, I will gladly take change of keeping amended versions of the proposed constitution updated and re-posted for people to see as we continue with this process. Once we've settled a few of the aforementioned points I plan on doing so to see where we stand once again and make sure we aren't misinterpreting each others ideas. Does that work alright for everyone?

I'm lurking around the convention because I'm interested in Midwestern culture and am considering joining you guys once I've served a term or two in the Northeast Assembly, so I've got a question: Does the Kommissaer have any special veto-type powers or is it just a pedestal you guys foist on some poor soul?

As my proposal currently stands, the Regional Kommissær has no veto-type powers. Despite the lack of formalized procedures for the unicameral parliament, my intention is for the Kommissær to assume a leadership role among the Folk Representanter. The Wisard Ekstraordinær has what is basically an equivalent to veto power but it is limited in its use to when legislation is felt to be unconstitutional from the Wisard's perspective, more or less. As things currently stand, the Regional Kommissær would arguably be the single most powerful actor in guiding the policy-making process while the Wisard Ekstraordinær is more an mixture of supreme justice and an eccentric cultural icon / entertaining folk legend. Some of this stuff is a little vague right now but once I hear back from Ilikeverin I will probably get right on re-drafting the constitution and seeing from there what people would like to change. So long as four or five people don't all suddenly become active at once (which I seriously doubt could possibly happen xD) we'll eventually be able to pull this off!

In the meanwhile, if you have any ideas Alfred they are certainly welcome. It is a Midwestern convention but I do not see any harm in others sharing their thoughts or pitching some ideas.

Thanks, Red. And no, I don't have any ideas for you, but I personally think that chocolate-chip muffins are better than blueberry.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. Does anyone here object to me matching the switch? xD

Alright, as much as I think taking a week off is in keeping with the spirit of Midwestern culture, I must now insist that we reconvene and make some more headway on drafting this Constitution. To get things moving once again I have taken the liberty of redrafting my proposal, accounting for several of your expressed concerns and requests (see the two posts below).

Thoughts? Concerns? More ideas?

Btw, I kept the Constitution below 11,000 characters but for some reason the forum disagrees. D:

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Preamble:

We the People of the Midwest Region, to honor our ancestors and ensure the fair health and wellbeing of our progeny for many generations to come, do recognize the necessity of a codified Constitution for the harmonious regulation of conflicts of interests betwixt diverse Persons and Factions, and do hereby found the Workers Republic of Kharovóy and declare this Constitution to be the foundation for its righteous, valid governance. May it forever henceforth stand guard o'er the rights, privileges, and cultural characters of our Peoples!

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Section I:

By consenting to the implementation of this Constitution and by accepting its legitimacy, the People and their Government acknowledge that theirs is a relationship with a number of rules and restrictions institutionalized to ensure their mutual wellbeing.

(a) - No act of regional government shall impede or infringe upon the rights of the People to:

• Free thought, expression, conscience, creed, and cultural identity...
• Free movement, association, and participation in cultural rites...
• Shelter, food, water, clothing, medical care, education, and healthful environs...
• Private possession of and secure control over use of their property...
• Representative democracy in the politics of the state and economy...
• Due process, fair trials, and uniform treatment under the law...
• Equitable recognition of consensual civil partnerships under the law...
• Recourse for significant abuses of the body and mind, and for defamation...
• Security of person from execution, exile, torture, and uncivil punishments...
• Ample time off from work for sleep, leisure, and other necessities of life...

Except for when the exercise of rights aforementioned is construed to present a dire, reasonably well-understood threat to the physical and/or mental wellness of persons. These ten items shall be known collectively as the Checklist of Untouchable Social Privileges.

(b) - In exchange, no act of the individual shall impede or infringe upon the rights of state to:

• Enact and enforce laws in compliance with the contents of this Constitution...
• Accrue and appropriate funds for performing state functions via taxation...
• Defend itself from violence, foreign invasion, and domestic treachery...
• Establish and maintain Land, Sky, and Wave Corps for peacekeeping...
• Defer to the authority of the Republic of Atlasia when it is proper...
• Confine, isolate, and rehabilitate persons found guilty of crimes in court...
• Teach people the value of mutual respect and peaceable coexistence...
• Discretion in resolving conflicts of interest betwixt rights of the People...
• Regulate the trade and use of tools with potentially lethal functions...
• Ensure that all members of society can fruitfully participate in public life...

Except for when the exercise of rights aforementioned is construed to present a dire, reasonably well-understood threat to and by the People - in which event they are to check the power of the republic. These ten items shall be known collectively as the Checklist of Approved Social Tasking.

(c) - The Land, Sky, and Wave Corps shall be responsible for policing all developed and wilderness areas within the region, rendering emergency assistance during times of grave unrest or regional disaster, serving in the regional defense against acts of terrorism, and assuming the roles of military police on bases of the Atlasian armed forces.

(d) - No regional militia is to be maintained. In the event of an invasion, the Land, Sky, and Wave Corps shall coordinate with private militias and the Atlasian armed forces to mount the defense of our People and their resources. There shall never be conscription.

(e) - Military personnel shall, without exception, be entitled to trials by civilian courts.

(f) - In the event of a state of war existing betwixt Atlasia and one or more other nations, Kharovóy retains its prerogative to choose whether to remain one with its fellow regions in Atlasia, peaceably declare independence from the Union, or to surrender.

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Section II:

(a) - The Alþing shall serve its legislative and executive functions in Cheyenne, _______.

(b) - Eighty-eight, being the number of trustees required for us to see some serious sh**t, shall be the count of the Folk Representanter elected at-large to the Alþing on the first weeks of January, May, July, and October via party-list proportional representation. No representant may sit on the Alþing for more than two consecutive sessions. If fewer than eighty-eight candidates declare, then all shall be Folk Representanter without need for a formal vote, and their term limits shall cease to apply.

(c) - The many Folk Representanter shall decide on matters pertaining to the creation and passage of legislation. Votes in the Alþing are to be more than one day in their durations; those who do not express an affirmative or oppositional position in the allotted time shall not be counted in the final tallies; and a constitutional amendment passes with four-fifths of the Folk Representanter present pledging votes of "you bet," in affirmation.

(d) - One Regional Kommissær is to be elected at-large from among the elected representanter over the course of seven days, starting on the eleventh day of January, May, July, and October, using the alternative ballot to discern which candidate receives an absolute majority of the vote. The winner is to serve as a Folk Representant, head of government, and as the official "Lord of the Cakes." The Kommissær’s vote shall be that resolving tied verdicts reached by the Alþing.

(e) - No rules of procedure shall be formalized by the Alþing except for those outlined in this Constitution. It shall build consensus or, in lieu of settling conflicts with words, resolve differences via games played by those of the representanter in a row. Failing that, the Regional Kommissær is to have the final say and ensure that the representanter exchange *hughuggrunt*s and feast on cake together.

(f) - If a Representant is to be absent, they may pick anyone to temporarily fill their seat.

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Section III:

(a) - The Depositaren is to serve its investigative and judicial functions in the capital of the republic: Cheesewhiz, Vitality (formerly known as Belle Fourche), where a grand, weatherproof temple of knowledge shall be built and maintained in perpetuity using regional public monies. The facility is to conduct research, double in its functions as a museum and learning center, and shall be "The Library of Kharovóy."

(b) - Therein shall reside a Wisard Ekstraordinær tasked with deciding on whether legislation passed by the Alþing is in complete compliance with this Constitution. He or she serves as the ceremonial head of state and "Hugger in Chief," oversees all elections, is a regional spokesperson, and counsels the Kommissær on nominations and other stuff.

(c) - If the Wisard Ekstraordinær deems legislation unconstitutional, he or she strikes it, rendering the legislation annulled unless the Alþing can muster a unanimous vote for an override before the end of its session. The Wisard keeps their seat until a challenger can best them in a spontaneous, two-candidate regional election overseen by the Kommissær.

(d) - The Depositaren shall be administered by the Wisard in such a way as to promise the people of the Workers Republic of Kharovóy free and fair elections, a transparent government, progress in areas of scientific research, and the fruition of new works of aesthetic art by citizens of the region. Rumors shall also be spread to children that legendary critters and figures of folklore like Santa Claus, Paul Bunyan, and Dave Leip dwell in Cheesewhiz.

(e) - A Wisard Ekstraordinær is required to always wear a robe when in public, abstain from cutting their hair for the duration of their tenure, procure and lovingly care for at least one exotic pet, dispense ;D and >:( emotica on behalf of the regional government, don a flamboyant hat, and reach out to the mass media to foster good political dialogue.

(f) - A magnificent Leaning Haberdashery Lounge is to be established and maintained using public monies, for the commendation of freedom fighters, derision of horrible persons, inebriated dances and shenanigans, and recounting of regional glories. It shall be forbidden for the Wisard Ekstraordinær to participate in karaoke at this lounge.

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Section IV:

(a) - Until regularly scheduled elections can be held in October, signatory members of the Fifth Midwest Region Constitutional Convention shall be tasked with nominating and electing all Folk Representanter, the first Regional Kommissær, and first Wisard Ekstraordinær to office. Citizens may not challenge the Wisard until the first free election of the Alþing.

(b) - The eleven provinces of the republic shall be as follows:

• Joy (MN)
• Mirth (CO)
• Bluster (OK)
• Moxie (IA)
• Swagger (KS)
• ___________ (NM)
• Grit (NE)
• Wonderment (MT)
• Vitality (SD)
• Serenity (ND)
• _______ (WY)

(c) - The official symbols of the republic shall be as follows:

• Anthem - Kharovóy, for Thee!
• Bird - Black-billed magpie
• Cat - Fritz
• Colors - Copper and gold
• Emotica - ;D and >:(
• Flag - Click Here (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/GALLERY/6537_19_07_12_1_38_14.PNG)
• Flower - Sunflower
• Gesture of Affection - *hughughug*
• Gesture of Solidarity - *hughuggrunt*
• Motto - Granumi hoc Bonus
• Muffin - Chocolate-chip
• Toast - Skål!

(d) - The official holidays of the region shall be as follows:

• New Year's Day (Jan 1)
• Groovy Day of Love (Feb 14)
• Earth Day (Apr 22)
• International Workers' Day (May 1)
• Whiskerando Day (Jul 6)
• Hug Gustaf Day (Jul 14)
• Halloween (Oct 31)
• Native Atlasian Heritage Day (Nov 28)
• Human Rights Day (Dec 10)
• Christmas Day (Dec 25)
• Kwanza (Dec 26 - Jan 1)
• The Festival of Light (Variable)
• Muslim Friends Day (Variable)

(e) - In casting votes, except for in the case of preferential ranking, an affirmative attitude shall be expressed using an expression of, "ya," "you bet," "you bet'cha," or " ;D ," while any votes cast in opposition are to be expressed as, "na," "oh deev," " >:( ," "uff-da," or a variation thereof.  

(f) - Kharovóy has no official language but the provinces may determine which language(s) shall be primary, provided no language be prohibited.

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I have an issue over those holidays.
There would be none between mid-July and the end of October.

It seems logical than there is an holiday at at least each 2 months, at minimum.

Think of the workers who will work non-stop from July to November!

Would these be of help?

Pioneer Day (Jul 24)
Women's Equality Day (Aug 26)
Old Folks' Day (Sept 15)
EVD Remembrance Day (Nov 5)
Midsummer (Variable)

Well, I don't know about any of those days.
I was just emitting a concern.

I really like it.

Where did you get the name Kharovóy from?

We need to confirm that the cats are sacred in our constitution.

Hawkeye, after putting a lot of time into scheming up the Native name and it turning out to be a flop I decided to be lazy and snag Kharovóy, which I completely fabricated several years back to be the name of a country I've administered in various other government fantasy games over the years, to transplant right into this context to be a regional name. If you don't like it we can try to figure out an alternative. Otherwise, I figured it was an easy way out of the naming problem.

As for your request Kal, is the sacredness of cats not already implied by the reference to Fritz and the cat being one of only two animal types deemed worthy of constitutional recognition in terms of regional symbolism? :]

At any rate, if the pieces are starting to fall in place here we still have two pieces of unfinished business to tend to with this - renaming New Mexico and Wyoming, and deciding which (if any) of the new holidays I pitched on August 5th should be incorporated into the next draft! If I can get some timely feedback we might even be able to have this prepped for a vote by the upcoming weekend. What do you think?

I'm probably responding to stuff that's already out of date, but one thing at a time :)


Republic/Workers' Region is fine with me.  I was lobbying for Jamahiriya, but I think that would be rather imprudent at the moment ;)  "Most Serene Republic" could be fun, too.


We should go to the GM for a decision on this.


Hmm, gotcha.  That sounds just like a state police, though, so I'm not sure it's something that needs to be constitutionally-inscribed.


Oh ya.


Belle Fourche has been the capital since the dawn of Atlasian time, so I presume its size has increased proportionately over the United States-equivalent.  If you'd prefer a bigger city, though, Cheyenne is a good choice; it's the closest "large-ish" city to the geographic center of the Midwest.


I think I get what you're saying, and I completely agree.  How it used to be was that there was a very robust referendum system, with regularly scheduled "referendum elections" where people could vote on bills.  The way we could keep universality while also going back to a regularly scheduled system of elections (which is definitely a good thing) would be to make it so that referendums have a ridiculous easy time to get on the ballot: they have to have a single citizen-legislator sign off on them to get them on the next regularly-scheduled ballot.  Does that make sense?


Enthusiasm and Elation?


Hmm, I do like that it has awkwardness in it.  I may stick to the orthodox *hughughug*, but you may try to see it gain acceptance.  Still, I'm not sure we should be introducing completely new actions in this Constitution.  Allow such things to develop organically.


Great.  I'd support that.  At the very least, giving a privileged status to Swedish instead of Norwegian would make more sense given the ancestry of our citizenry and our Atlasian membership (Gustaf, a noted Midwesterner, is Swedish in origin and in-game lives in Lindstrom, Happiness).


Sounds lovely! ;D

Shall I give the newest draft of the Constitution a once-over?  What's changed?  (*wishes for a "Track Changes" button like on Wikipedia - is this on the Forum Wiki?*)

As far as holidays go, I feel like at some point my birthday (August 16th) was declared a regional holiday.


I prefer blueberry >:(  Perhaps we should just honor muffins in general.

In regards to muffins, I'm not willing to make a big to-do about it and because my native state of Minnesota's official muffin is blueberry anyway, I will change it back unless someone else objects. Enthusiasm also sounds like it could work fine for either Wyoming or New Mexico, but in the interest to avoid states having names that are synonyms it may be for the best for us not to use Elation. If you want *hughuggrunt* out of the Constitution, by the way, that can be arranged. I did not expect it to be at all controversial though. Whatever works!

As for the wiki here, I have no idea how to add or edit pages, or track changes in things, and aside from that it seems as though a lot of the articles are pretty outdated. :<

The most recent version of the proposed constitution can be read here (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=155796.msg3372244#msg3372244) and finishes here (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=155796.msg3372247#msg3372247). Since a number of things have changed since you were last in the thread it might be best to re-read it.

Sounds a little "russiany" for me.  We don't have a lot of Russians in the region.  If we are scared of a native name for whatever reason, maybe something Norse or German?  German has a lot of cool words for things we don't have (eg Schadenfreude)....do they have something for "fly over country"?

If the convention would prefer a different name it may be for the best for its members to compile a list of alternative possibilities, discuss them, and if consensus cannot be reached use the AV to select a winner? I was on something of a holiday until yesterday so I probably won't have quite as much time or motivation to snoop around for ideas on my own now. I'll be active in the thread and amend the constitutional proposal as-needed, but it's just something to bear in mind.

I really like Makawakana or Makakapana. I support either of those.

I'm fine with either of those.

My concern at this point is they could be construed to be highly offensive and, if we were to do this properly, consulting the GM would not be adequate. I figured we could find a different name far more easily (and with less awkwardness) than trying to reach out to discuss it with people in the native nation(s) from whose language the names are derived.

I am not opposed to their use, per se, but am starting to be a bit risk-averse concerning them.

May I propose that the name be a Sioux name, or a name from a combination of languages? This is due to the fact that the Sioux language is the most common Native American language spoken in the Midwest.

The words used in the original renaming for the region I schemed up are from the Lakota, who are also known as the Teton Sioux.

I think we should hold a vote with the possibilities we have now.  Does anyone have any others?

I will abstain from such a vote but will accept and integrate into the constitutional proposal whichever wins. Until some more proposals are made concerning the remaining loose ends with the document I haven't got a whole lot to do. I'll be keeping a close eye on this thread though.

I got lost while reading that thread.
Which controversial points we still have to settle?

Believe it or not, I think the main points of controversy yet to be settled at this point are simply what to call the region and some (or one?) of its states. It's been awhile since I last did a lot of work on this constitution though so my memory about it may be getting a little fuzzy. Until some of the other people in the region more actively partake in the convention there is very little else I can say or do here, really. Hopefully we are on some kind of temporary recess here rather than permanently adjourned. xD

One thing is clear. We must have a legislature.

Why is that clear?  We just need regularly scheduled elections and referenda.

Talking of elections, when is the next?

That's exactly why we need to make sure elections are regularly timed in this constitution!

Idea for a ballot - let me know if you have other suggestions or ideas for what to vote on or what options to include.  I'll PM people when we bring it to a vote.  This is my top priority as Prime Verin.

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Remaining State Names (the top two will be selected)
[ ] Adventure
[ ] Amity
[ ] Harmony
[ ] Adulation

Region Name
[ ] Makawakana
[ ] Makakapana
[ ] Kharovóy
[ ] Midwest
[ ] Great Plains
[ ] Pembina
[ ] Absaroka

Region Descriptor
[ ] Region
[ ] Workers' State
[ ] People's State
[ ] People's Democratic Republic
[ ] People's Democratic Region
[ ] Most Serene Republic
[ ] Most Serene Region
[ ] Occidental Republic
[ ] Occidental Region

Regional Capital
[ ] Cheesewhiz, Vitality (the former Belle Fourche) - legislative, executive, and judicial
[ ] Cheesewhiz, Vitality (the former Belle Fourche) - executive; Cheyenne, (former-Wyoming) - legislative, judicial

Executive Officer Powers (vote for as many as desired)
[ ] Veto power for legislature (needs super-majority to overrule)
[ ] Veto power for legislature (needs majority to overrule)
[ ] Tie-breaking power for legislature

Legislature
[ ] Universal, ad hoc voting periods
[ ] Universal, pre-defined voting periods
[ ] Elected, 5 members
[ ] Elected, 3 members

Election Type
[ ] Approval
[ ] Condorcet
[ ] IRV
[ ] FPTP
[ ] Other: ___________

Election Length
[ ] 3 Days
[ ] 7 Days

Regional Muffin
[ ] Blueberry
[ ] Chocolate chip
[ ] Lemon poppyseed
[ ] Corn
[ ] Blood
[ ] Imaginary
[ ] Israel-Palestinian conflict

The vote would by approval or preferential?

Preferential, I think.  Though we do have our long history of doing it by approval...

Hence my question.

Actually, yeah, let's do it by approval voting.  Any other comments about the substantive content of the vote?

What happens if there is a tie?

Perhaps the Prime Verin should be permitted to break any ties which arise so as to expedite what has already been a very long process? Also, how does approval voting work? Is it basically a yes or no provided for every option and the most popular option prevails, or?

Prime Verin makes sense, and yes, that's what it is, I believe.

In the interest of full disclosure, I've sent out a PM to all Midwesterners (except for "Mr. Libertarian", who I can't find) that reads as follows:

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Hello Midwesterners,

I come before you today with a very important vote ahead of us.  This vote is available here (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=159622.0).  With this ballot, we go a long way towards finally getting a working Constitution in order that will fix the problems caused by the Third Constitution.  First and foremost, no matter the outcome of the Advisory Vote, we will go back to a fixed calendar of elections.  No longer can inactivity reign supreme in our region forever!

As a part of the advisory vote, we're deciding on the composition of the legislature.  At the moment, we're a universal legislature.  In general, I implore you to continue our vital regional traditions of loony thought, but this is one particular issue where I think looniness and good policy are well aligned.  A universal legislature makes sure that the needs of all Midwesterners, not just an elected few, can and will be heard.  Don't think that this means that the timing of these votes will be as sporadic as it is now; citizen-legislators will be able to propose laws whenever they please, but they will be voted on once every other month, on certain pre-arranged days.  But any restriction of legislating to a select few will make our region less egalitarian, which I think is something that our region holds dear.

That said - vote your conscience!  Whatever vote you make, any vote is a sign that the Midwest shall be trod in the dust no longer, but be raised more fully-formed from the ashes of the Third Constitution!

*hughughug* ;D :D ;D
Prime Verin ilikeverin

The results are as follows: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=159622.msg3439148#msg3439148

Redalgo, would you care to do the honors of adjusting our current draft of the Constitution to match Midwesterners' preferences?

Yes, I will prepare a new draft of the Constitution for review by this convention tomorrow.

My apologies for the delay. I've been a bit distracted from the forum these past few days!

No problem!  Take your time ;D :D ;D *hughughug*

I've uploaded a version to the Wiki.  It does not yet include the clarified executive office powers, the name of Wyoming, and, most importantly, the elections (or lack thereof).  See here: https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Fourth_Midwest_Constitution

I have not accounted for all adjustments we will likely need to make quite yet but did incorporate all of the convention's sentiments as expressed via the recent vote into the language of this document in one form or another.

If there are still changes to be made it would be very helpful to me if they would come to vote as did the others so there may be less uncertainty on my part about what needs to change and whether those changes have the support of this convention as a whole. My apologies for the belated progress. Hopefully we are still on track to ratifying a constitution before year's end!

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Preamble:

We the People of the Midwest Region, to honor our ancestors and ensure the fair health and wellbeing of our progeny for generations to come, recognize the need for a codified Constitution for the harmonious regulation of conflicting interests betwixt diverse Persons and Factions, and do hereby found the Most Serene Republic of the Midwest and declare this Constitution to be the foundation for its righteous, valid governance. May it forever henceforth stand guard o'er the rights, privileges, and cultural characters of our Peoples!

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Section I:

By consenting to the implementation of this Constitution and by accepting its legitimacy, the People and their Government acknowledge that theirs is a relationship with a number of rules and restrictions institutionalized to ensure their mutual wellbeing.

(a) - No act of regional government shall impede or infringe upon the rights of the People to:

• Free thought, expression, conscience, creed, and cultural identity...
• Free movement, association, and participation in cultural rites...
• Shelter, food, water, clothing, medical care, education, and healthful environs...
• Private possession of and secure control over use of their property...
• Representative democracy in the politics of the state and economy...
• Due process, fair trials, and uniform treatment under the law...
• Equitable recognition of consensual civil partnerships under the law...
• Recourse for significant abuses of the body and mind, and for defamation...
• Security of person from execution, exile, torture, and uncivil punishments...
• Ample time off from work for sleep, leisure, and other necessities of life...

Except for when the exercise of rights aforementioned is construed to present a dire, reasonably well-understood threat to the physical and/or mental wellness of persons. These ten items shall be known collectively as the Checklist of Untouchable Social Privileges.

(b) - In exchange, no act of the individual shall impede or infringe upon the rights of state to:

• Enact and enforce laws in compliance with the contents of this Constitution...
• Accrue and appropriate funds for performing state functions via taxation...
• Defend itself from violence, foreign invasion, and domestic treachery...
• Establish and maintain Land, Sky, and Wave Corps for peacekeeping...
• Defer to the authority of the Republic of Atlasia when it is proper...
• Confine, isolate, and rehabilitate persons found guilty of crimes in court...
• Teach people the value of mutual respect and peaceable coexistence...
• Discretion in resolving conflicts of interest betwixt rights of the People...
• Regulate the trade and use of tools with potentially lethal functions...
• Ensure that all members of society can fruitfully participate in public life...

Except for when the exercise of rights aforementioned is construed to present a dire, reasonably well-understood threat to and by the People - in which event they are to check the power of the republic. These ten items shall be known collectively as the Checklist of Approved Social Tasking.

(c) - The Land, Sky, and Wave Corps shall be responsible for policing all developed and wilderness areas within the region, rendering emergency assistance during times of grave unrest or regional disaster, serving in the regional defense against acts of terrorism, and assuming the roles of military police on bases of the Atlasian armed forces.

(d) - No regional militia is to be maintained. In the event of an invasion, the Land, Sky, and Wave Corps shall coordinate with private militias and the Atlasian armed forces to mount the defense of our People and their resources. There shall never be conscription.

(e) - Military personnel shall, without exception, be entitled to trials by civilian courts.

(f) - In the event of a state of war existing betwixt Atlasia and one or more other nations, the Most Serene Republic retains its prerogative to choose whether to remain one with its fellow regions in Atlasia, peaceably declare independence from the Union, or to surrender.

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Section II:

(a) - The Alþing shall serve its legislative and executive functions in Cheesewhiz, Vitality.

(b) - Eighty-eight, being the number of trustees required for us to see some serious sh*t, shall be the count of the Folk Representanter elected at-large to the Alþing on, and for the full duration of, the first weeks of January, May, July, and October via party-list proportional representation. No representant may sit on the Alþing for more than two consecutive sessions. If fewer than eighty-eight candidates declare, then all shall be Folk Representanter without need for a formal vote, and their term limits shall cease to apply.

(c) - The many Folk Representanter shall decide on matters pertaining to the creation and passage of legislation. Votes in the Alþing are to be more than one day in their durations; those who do not express an affirmative or oppositional position in the allotted time shall not be counted in the final tallies; and a constitutional amendment passes with four-fifths of the Folk Representanter present pledging votes of "you bet," in affirmation.

(d) - One Regional Kommissær is to be elected at-large from among the elected representanter over the course of seven days, starting on the fourteenth days of January, May, July, and October, using instant-runoff voting to discern which candidate receives an absolute majority of the vote. The winner is to serve as a Folk Representant, head of government, and as the official "Lord of the Cakes." The Kommissær’s vote shall be that resolving tied verdicts reached by the Alþing.

(e) - No rules of procedure shall be formalized by the Alþing except for those outlined in this Constitution. It shall build consensus or, in lieu of settling conflicts with words, resolve differences via games played by those of the representanter in a row. Failing that, the Regional Kommissær is to utilize their unabridged power to feast on cakes to restore representanter solidarity.

(f) - If a Representant is to be absent, they may pick anyone to temporarily fill their seat.

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Section III:

(a) - The Depositaren is to serve its investigative and judicial functions in the capital of the republic: Cheesewhiz, Vitality (formerly known as Belle Fourche), where a grand, weatherproof temple of knowledge shall be built and maintained in perpetuity using regional public monies. The facility is to conduct research, double in its functions as a museum and learning center, and shall be "The Most Serene Library."

(b) - Therein shall reside a Wisard Ekstraordinær tasked with deciding on whether legislation passed by the Alþing is in complete compliance with this Constitution. He or she serves as the ceremonial head of state and "Hugger in Chief," oversees all elections, is a regional spokesperson, and counsels the Kommissær on nominations and other stuff.

(c) - If the Wisard Ekstraordinær deems legislation unconstitutional, they are to become ornery about it and resentfully waggle a wooden staff in the bill’s general direction for a length of time they deem appropriate - the extremity of their umbrage being represented by the number of waggles performed. The Wisard keeps their seat until a challenger can best them in a spontaneous, instant-runoff vote overseen by the Kommissær that shall last precisely seven days.

(d) - The Depositaren shall be administered by the Wisard in such a way as to promise the people of the Most Serene Republic free and fair elections, a transparent government, progress in areas of scientific research, and the fruition of new works of aesthetic art by citizens of the region. Rumors shall also be spread to children that legendary critters and figures of folklore like Santa Claus, Paul Bunyan, and Dave Leip dwell in Cheesewhiz.

(e) - A Wisard Ekstraordinær is required to always wear a robe when in public, abstain from cutting their hair for the duration of their tenure, procure and lovingly care for at least one exotic pet, dispense ;D and >:( emotica on behalf of the regional government, don a flamboyant hat, and reach out to the mass media to foster good political dialogue.

(f) - A magnificent Leaning Haberdashery Lounge is to be established and maintained using public monies, for the commendation of freedom fighters, derision of horrible persons, inebriated dances and shenanigans, and recounting of regional glories. It shall be forbidden for the Wisard Ekstraordinær to participate in karaoke at this lounge.

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Section IV:

(a) - Until regularly scheduled elections can be held in October, signatory members of the Fifth Midwest Region Constitutional Convention shall be tasked with nominating and electing all Folk Representanter, the first Regional Kommissær, and first Wisard Ekstraordinær to office. Citizens may not challenge the Wisard until the first free election of the Alþing.

(b) - The eleven provinces of the republic shall be as follows:

• Joy (MN)
• Mirth (CO)
• Bluster (OK)
• Moxie (IA)
• Swagger (KS)
• Harmony (NM)
• Grit (NE)
• Wonderment (MT)
• Vitality (SD)
• Serenity (ND)
• Amity (WY)

(c) - The official symbols of the republic shall be as follows:

• Anthem - Most Holy Cake
• Bird - Black-billed magpie
• Cat - Fritz
• Colors - Copper and gold
• Emotica - ;D and >:(
• Flag - Click Here (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/GALLERY/6537_19_07_12_1_38_14.PNG)
• Flower - Sunflower
• Gesture of Affection - *hughughug*
• Gesture of Solidarity - *hughuggrunt*
• Motto - Granumi hoc Bonus
• Muffin - Blueberry
• Toast - Skål!

(d) - The official holidays of the region shall be as follows:

• New Year's Day (Jan 1)
• Groovy Day of Love (Feb 14)
• Earth Day (Apr 22)
• International Workers' Day (May 1)
• Whiskerando Day (Jul 6)
• Hug Gustaf Day (Jul 14)
• Pioneer Day (Jul 24)
• Halloween (Oct 31)
• EVD Remembrance Day (Nov 5)
• Native Atlasian Heritage Day (Nov 28)
• Human Rights Day (Dec 10)
• Christmas Day (Dec 25)
• Kwanza (Dec 26 - Jan 1)
• Midsummer (Variable)
• The Festival of Light (Variable)
• Muslim Friends Day (Variable)

(e) - In casting votes, except for in the case of preferential ranking, an affirmative attitude shall be expressed using an expression of, "ya," "you bet," "you bet'cha," or " ;D ," while any votes cast in opposition are to be expressed as, "na," "oh deev," " >:( ," "uff-da," or a variation thereof.  

(f) - The Most Serene Republic of the Midwest has no official language but the provinces may determine which language(s) shall be primary, provided no language be prohibited.

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Do we need a clause against self-proclaimed Lord Protectors, or may we assume than it was a one-time occurence?

Um, what are you doing here? I dismissed this House already.

Now obey or face the charges for high treason.

As I'm living in Nyman for the moment because of my position of dSOFA, it will be quite hard to charge me from Midwest.

Although you refused to obey a lawful order, I'm pleased to see you respecting the true government of Midwest.

Because you showed such a proper respect We decided to excricise a prerogative of mercy. After you're captured, you shall be spared from hanging drawing and quartering. Instead, We find beheading sufficient.

Consider it a gift.

Alright, wonderful!  I've updated the version on the Wiki; you can read it here: https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Fourth_Midwest_Constitution

Note that there are some revisions from Redalgo's most recent draft.  Notably, the term of everyone is extended to 4 months, with elections timed to approximately (though not always precisely) correspond with national ones - all the better to increase turnout!  Also, the voting period for legislation is established (every two months, co-timed with elections for officials).

I think we're getting close to a final vote.  Let me PM people to see if we get any more comments.

Still running the tightest and friendliest ship in Atlasia, eh Verin? :)

I oppose this. Way too long in case we forget to hold an election again. I move it be shortened to 1 month.

Eh, just took back the reins this summer because things were kind of falling off a cliff.  Trying to get it back on track.  I hope we're still the friendliest, though!  *hughughug* ;D :D ;D


For the legislature or for the executive?  Makes sense for the legislature (;)), but for the executive it shouldn't be hard to remember when elections are.  The reason we forgot to hold them essentially at all during the Third Constitution is because it's not explicitly spelled out when the dates that the elections start and end are.

I like the new Constitution (I haven't read the old).

For the executive. Legislation should only be at vote at two months intervals - less danger of just three people voting when there's a federal election going on at the same time. For the executive, that wouldn't be so much of a problem. (Actually, I was half-trolling and two months would be perfectly fine with me.)

I support this current form of the constitution, and actually prefer the four month terms: it gives proper time for an executive to actually do something, and the election times are well-defined. We simply must be careful in our selection of Wisard! Pending the completion of discussion on the term limits, I move that we send this to a vote!

Thoughts are currently 1-1 on this idea, it seems, so perhaps you can bring it to a vote in the new legislature! :)

The current draft of the Fourth Constitution also states that we need to take a vote on our executive officers; I'm happy with either position and suggest Redalgo as another one.  (He may, perhaps, be a better Wisard than me, for he's the one who made this Constitution :P)  Other candidates are, of course, welcome! *hughughug* ;D :D ;D  Now that I'm a big fancy grad student it probably wouldn't be a bad idea for me to step down from a post.  We'll use IRV for that vote.

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Speaking of voting, I hereby move this Convention to a vote.  You must be signed in as a delegate to vote.  The current delegates are as follows:

• ilikeverin
• MaxQue
• Kalwejt
• dead0man
• JulioMadrid
• Redalgo
• angus
• hawkeye59
• Fritz
• A-Bob

If you're not on the list, please officially declare your intention to serve as a delegate before you vote!

Anyway, ballot is as follows:

Ratification
Do you vote to ratify the Fourth Constitutional Convention and close the Fifth Midwest Constitutional Convention?
[ ] ;D (Yes)
[ ] >:( (No)

Regional Kommissær
Who shall be our first Regional Kommissær (head of government)?  Please choose from the list of delegates and rank them in order of preference.
[ ]

Wisard Ekstraordinær
Who shall be our first Wisard Ekstraordinær (head of state)?  Please choose from the list of delegates and rank them in order of preference.
[ ]

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Voting will end in exactly one week.

Do you vote to ratify the Fourth Constitutional Convention and close the Fifth Midwest Constitutional Convention?
[ ;D ]  (Yes)
[ ]  (No)

Regional Kommissær
Who shall be our first Regional Kommissær (head of government)?  Please choose from the list of delegates and rank them in order of preference.
[ Kalwejt ]

Wisard Ekstraordinær
Who shall be our first Wisard Ekstraordinær (head of state)?  Please choose from the list of delegates and rank them in order of preference.
[ Ilikeverin ]

Yes, I'd love to be the Regional Kommissær because I'm buzzing with energy and it's better to use my energy than allow me to run wild and take people hostage.

As of Wisard Ekstraordinær, Ilikeverin is Midwest. There is no better candidate *hughughug*

Do you vote to ratify the Fourth Constitutional Convention and close the Fifth Midwest Constitutional Convention?
[;D]  (Yes)
[ ]  (No)

Regional Kommissær
Who shall be our first Regional Kommissær (head of government)?  Please choose from the list of delegates and rank them in order of preference.
[1] Redalgo
[2] Kalwejt
[3] ilikeverin

Wisard Ekstraordinær
Who shall be our first Wisard Ekstraordinær (head of state)?  Please choose from the list of delegates and rank them in order of preference.
[1] Redalgo
[2] Kalwejt
[3] ilikeverin

I would be honored to serve as a delegate to this convention!

That being said....

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Ratification
Do you vote to ratify the Fourth Constitutional Convention and close the Fifth Midwest Constitutional Convention?
[:D]  (Yes)
[ ]  (No)

Regional Kommissær
Who shall be our first Regional Kommissær (head of government)?  Please choose from the list of delegates and rank them in order of preference.
[ilikeverin]

Wisard Ekstraordinær
Who shall be our first Wisard Ekstraordinær (head of state)?  Please choose from the list of delegates and rank them in order of preference.
[Redalgo]

Ratification
[:D] ;D (Yes)
[ ] >:( (No)

Regional Kommissær
[ 1 ]  Kalwejt

Wisard Ekstraordinær
[ 1 ] dead0man
 
that stupid AE ligature thing in the job titles
[ >:( ] no.  

Ratification
Do you vote to ratify the Fourth Constitutional Convention and close the Fifth Midwest Constitutional Convention?
[:D]  (Yes)
[ ]  (No)

Regional Kommissær
Who shall be our first Regional Kommissær (head of government)?  Please choose from the list of delegates and rank them in order of preference.
[Kalwejt]

Wisard Ekstraordinær
Who shall be our first Wisard Ekstraordinær (head of state)?  Please choose from the list of delegates and rank them in order of preference.
[ilikeverin]

Ratification
Do you vote to ratify the Fourth Constitutional Convention and close the Fifth Midwest Constitutional Convention?
[X]  (Yes)
[ ]  (No)

Regional Kommissær
Who shall be our first Regional Kommissær (head of government)?  Please choose from the list of delegates and rank them in order of preference.
[Kalwejt]

Wisard Ekstraordinær
Who shall be our first Wisard Ekstraordinær (head of state)?  Please choose from the list of delegates and rank them in order of preference.
[Redalgo]

I consider this as having signed in.

Ratification
Do you vote to ratify the Fourth Constitutional Convention and close the Fifth Midwest Constitutional Convention?
[]  (Yes)
[>:(]  (No)

Regional Kommissær
Who shall be our first Regional Kommissær (head of government)?  Please choose from the list of delegates and rank them in order of preference.
[ilikeverin]

Wisard Ekstraordinær
Who shall be our first Wisard Ekstraordinær (head of state)?  Please choose from the list of delegates and rank them in order of preference.
[ilikeverin]

As an aside note, I am still willing to make any changes to the document if requested by the convention. Otherwise, I may as well give my input here as well.

Ratification

[X]  (Yes)
[  ]  (No)

Regional Kommissær

[7] A-Bob
[9] Angus
[4] Dead0man
[6] Fritz
[2] Hawkeye
[1] Ilikeverin
[8] Lewis
[3] MaxQue
[5] Redalgo

Wisard Ekstraordinær

[7] A-Bob
[9] Angus
[3] Dead0man
[6] Fritz
[4] Hawkeye
[2] Ilikeverin
[8] Lewis
[5] MaxQue
[1] Redalgo

(Note: Julio and Kal are excluded - one will be a Senator, the other tried to have me killed :P)

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lol ^^

It's been a week.

Do you vote to ratify the Fourth Constitutional Convention and close the Fifth Midwest Constitutional Convention?
[;D]  (Yes)
[ ]  (No)

Regional Kommissær
Who shall be our first Regional Kommissær (head of government)?  Please choose from the list of delegates and rank them in order of preference.
[1] Kalwejt
[2] ilikeverin

Wisard Ekstraordinær
Who shall be our first Wisard Ekstraordinær (head of state)?  Please choose from the list of delegates and rank them in order of preference.
[1] Redalgo
[2] ilikeverin

Comrade Fritz, your vote was after the week has expired.  However, in the spirit of *hughughug*, I choose to count your vote anyway!  (In any case, it would not materially affect the outcome; ilikeverin's vote for Redalgo for RK would have flowed to Kalwejt, and angus's ballot for WE would have been exhausted.)

The final total is:

Ratification: Passes 8-1
Regional Kommissær: Kalwejt is duly elected with a first-round margin of 5-3 (ilikeverin)-1 (Redalgo).
Wisard Ekstraordinær: Redalgo is duly elected with a first-round margin of 5-3 (ilikeverin)-1 (dead0man).

Thank you to all participants!

Too bad turnout was a little low :( but I'm sure we'll improve next time :)

Umm... is Redalgo aware of his election? He's yet to take office.

I PMed both of you.

Bluh. My original post got deleted by the forum on account of my log-in timing out. I do not have enough time here tonight to retype what I wanted to say, but to be as succinct as possible I am still paying attention and my slump in posting activity can be mostly attributed to my terrible time management skills and tendency to focus on completing just a few major tasks per day. I plan to be around quite a bit. During the past two or so days I've not had a large enough block of time for properly assuming office, creating a suitable thread, and giving one my typical lengthy spiels - something that can honestly take me hours rather than minutes to handle properly!