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Title: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: AmericanNation on July 19, 2012, 02:39:35 pm
Lay out arguments for or against the question. 


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: Joe Republic on July 19, 2012, 02:47:01 pm
I'm afraid to say I don't really know enough about Thai politics to comment, though I thought it was a conservative party, not Marxist?

Shouldn't this be in the International board, anyway?


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: Trounce-'em Theresa on July 19, 2012, 02:53:21 pm
I'm afraid to say I don't really know enough about Thai politics to comment, though I thought it was a conservative party, not Marxist?

Shouldn't this be in the International board, anyway?

The Democrat Party is much more Mongkut than Marx.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: ColonelSanchez on July 19, 2012, 02:57:26 pm
Is the actual Democratic Party Marxist? Not even close. Some of its members? I think so...let’s look at a few.

Barack Obama, is in my opinion, just left of center-left. He is in no way a socialist, but does have elements of it in his ideology. His ideology is certainly rooted in it. And just like I once experimented with white nationalism, he had experimented with radical leftism. For example, his involvement with the New Party back in the ‘90s.
(http://i50.tinypic.com/2e5oyde.jpg)

Obama’s father was an economist and aide to former Mau-Mau leader, and Kenyan President Jomo Kenyatta, the leader of the Kenya African National Union, which at the time was your run of the mill African socialist party. Due to his fathers experiences, and evidenced by his treatment of the UK, Kenya’s former colonial oppressor, I believe Obama does have a resentment towards British people, and possibly whites in general, though that is often the excuse of white racist who hate him as much as they think he hates them. Not a single one of his policies prove this theory.

Obama clearly has his views rooted in African anti colonialist philosophy, which was often mixed in with socialism. However, as Obama rose in rank, he has realized that socialism is not popular in America, and has likely recognized that “African Socialism” is not really socialism at all. Is he, as of today, a Socialist? Absolutely not.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: AmericanNation on July 19, 2012, 03:04:10 pm
The question is not: 

ARE Democrats Marxists/Socialists

The question is:
Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?

Much easier bar to clear. 


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: Trounce-'em Theresa on July 19, 2012, 03:08:30 pm
The question is not: 

ARE Democrats Marxists/Socialists

The question is:
Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?

Much easier bar to clear. 


And it's clearly not. It's decidedly on the right wing of the Thai political spectrum, as Joe said.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: Dereich on July 19, 2012, 03:12:38 pm
Better question: are the Thaksinites influenced by Marxism? And will the Democrat party ever be able to win an election on their own merits?


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: Scott on July 19, 2012, 03:19:11 pm
Progressivism-
A political philosophy advocating change and progress, especially as led by science. Colloquially, a "progressive" refers to a very liberal person. 2) The U.S. Progressive Movement between 1890 and 1920, which is also known as the Progressive Era. This movement was responsible for introducing the campaign primary in many states (replacing caucuses), the initiative, the referendum, and the recall, among other reforms.

Marxism-
The system of economic and political thought developed by Karl Marx, along with Friedrich Engels, especially the doctrine that the state throughout history has been a device for the exploitation of the masses by a dominant class, that class struggle has been the main agency of historical change, and that the capitalist system, containing from the first the seeds of its own decay, will inevitably, after the period of the dictatorship of the proletariat, be superseded by a socialist order and a classless society.

Just because progressivism and Marxism are on the same side of the spectrum does not mean they are interrelated, much in the same way that Nazism and conservatism are related not even though they are both on the opposite side.  Marx, himself, advocated for a brief "dictatorship of the proletariat" that would quickly evolve into a collectivist, classless society- as it says in the definition above.  Yet, a mere concern for the middle-class does not translate into a desire for that kind of fundamental change.  Of course, that isn't to say there are no Democrats might that agree with Marx theory, but in no way does this entail that the national Democratic Party is somehow influenced by Marx.

If you honestly think that what the Democratic Party supports today is a watered down version of Marxism, then your whole interpretation of politics is vastly oversimplified.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: Oakvale on July 19, 2012, 03:31:20 pm
Is the actual Democratic Party Marxist? Not even close. Some of its members? I think so...let’s look at a few.

Barack Obama, is in my opinion, just left of center-left. He is in no way a socialist, but does have elements of it in his ideology. His ideology is certainly rooted in it. And just like I once experimented with white nationalism, he had experimented with radical leftism. For example, his involvement with the New Party back in the ‘90s.
(http://i50.tinypic.com/2e5oyde.jpg)

Obama’s father was an economist and aide to former Mau-Mau leader, and Kenyan President Jomo Kenyatta, the leader of the Kenya African National Union, which at the time was your run of the mill African socialist party. Due to his fathers experiences, and evidenced by his treatment of the UK, Kenya’s former colonial oppressor, I believe Obama does have a resentment towards British people, and possibly whites in general, though that is often the excuse of white racist who hate him as much as they think he hates them. Not a single one of his policies prove this theory.

Obama clearly has his views rooted in African anti colonialist philosophy, which was often mixed in with socialism. However, as Obama rose in rank, he has realized that socialism is not popular in America, and has likely recognized that “African Socialism” is not really socialism at all. Is he, as of today, a Socialist? Absolutely not.


I can't even decide what this post is. It's like you're torn between the most Gingrichian paranoid racial fantasies and Moderate Heroism. "I believe Obama may hate white people, however he is not a socialist!"

It's also worth pointing out that Obama's "involvement" with the New Party involves the party endorsing him once in 1996 or something. So, uh...

To answer the premise of the thread, Marx is one of the most influential people in human history, so I guess you could argue that everyone's influenced by him in that regard. Not otherwise. I'm not that familiar with Thai politics though. :(


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: Scott on July 19, 2012, 03:37:44 pm
Another thing, AN- you should have defined exactly what you meant by 'influenced.'


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 19, 2012, 03:57:21 pm
Don't you people have your own corners of the interwebs to play on?


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: AmericanNation on July 19, 2012, 04:10:24 pm
Another thing, AN- you should have defined exactly what you meant by 'influenced.'
I think you could say Republicans have influences like Milton Friedman, Friedrich Hayek, Adam Smith, etc. 

Democrats have influences like John Maynard Keynes, Che Guevara, and Marx.   You could make the argument that American democrats are influenced by European socialists(who are influenced by Marx) rather than Marx himself.     


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 19, 2012, 04:13:01 pm
Democrats have influences... Che Guevar

Try harder, idiot.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: Scott on July 19, 2012, 04:26:52 pm
Another thing, AN- you should have defined exactly what you meant by 'influenced.'
I think you could say Republicans have influences like Milton Friedman, Friedrich Hayek, Adam Smith, etc.  

Democrats have influences like John Maynard Keynes, Che Guevara, and Marx.   You could make the argument that American democrats are influenced by European socialists(who are influenced by Marx) rather than Marx himself.      

"You could make the argument that American democrats are influenced by European socialists(who are influenced by Marx) rather than Marx himself."

So then, you've basically contradicted yourself.

Keynes is pretty influential in Democratic politics, but Che Guevara and Karl Marx?  Give me a break.  And even if what you're saying is true, what point are you getting at?  The Democratic Party as a whole is very far to the right of Marxists and socialists, and it doesn't take a whole lot of thought to realize that.

The only left-wing politicians I'd consider European-lite would be Bernie Sanders, Sherrod Brown, and Dennis Kucinich.  But even then, to say that they're influenced by the inventor of Communism is a huge stretch.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: Miles on July 19, 2012, 04:39:36 pm
I'm not sure about the Democrat Party, but the Democratic Party might be to an extent.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: patrick1 on July 19, 2012, 04:44:54 pm
Yes and so is the Republican party. He was a rather important theorist after all.

By Christ though, why are so many people who follow politics or political engaged such unreasonable people?  Some people are just so stubbornly and yet blissfully ignorant that it is maddening to read.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: AmericanNation on July 19, 2012, 05:37:59 pm
Yes and so is the Republican party. He was a rather important theorist after all.

By Christ though, why are so many people who follow politics or political engaged such unreasonable people?  Some people are just so stubbornly and yet blissfully ignorant that it is maddening to read.
I know, they were going crazy in a US senate thread about how democrats aren't influenced by Marx whatsoever and you would have to be a "narrow, ignorant, uninformed, uneducated, stupid" person to think so. 


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: freepcrusher on July 19, 2012, 06:46:10 pm
if anything, I've always considered John Lindsay (who was a republican for most of his political career) to be the father of the modern democratic party.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: Dr. Cynic on July 19, 2012, 06:47:22 pm
Another thing, AN- you should have defined exactly what you meant by 'influenced.'
I think you could say Republicans have influences like Milton Friedman, Friedrich Hayek, Adam Smith, etc. 

Democrats have influences like John Maynard Keynes, Che Guevara, and Marx.   You could make the argument that American democrats are influenced by European socialists(who are influenced by Marx) rather than Marx himself.     

Yep. I've made up my mind. I don't like you.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: Trounce-'em Theresa on July 19, 2012, 07:01:27 pm
But seriously, modernity itself is influenced by Marx. Profoundly. (It's also influenced by, for example, Newton, Voltaire, Comte.) If any more profoundly in the case of the Democratic Party than in other cases, only by a trivial amount, relatively speaking.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on July 19, 2012, 07:06:30 pm
But seriously, modernity itself is influenced by Marx. Profoundly. (It's also influenced by, for example, Newton, Voltaire, Comte.) If any more profoundly in the case of the Democratic Party than in other cases, only by a trivial amount, relatively speaking.

Basically this was going to be my attempt at a 'serious' answer. I would say though the ghost of vulgar marxism consistently haunts all political discourse to this even in places where at first glance Marx is the 'enemy' (American conservatism are fond of what might be termed 'reserve vulgar marxism' in their rhetoric for example).


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on July 19, 2012, 09:01:16 pm
The degree of political retardation in this thread is seriously mind-boggling.

Please get a new argument, no one besides academics, who are paid to and people who don't wash as a political statement actually take Marx remotely seriously today.


Title: Re: Is the Democratic Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: Snowstalker's Last Stand on July 19, 2012, 09:02:56 pm
To fix the title.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: Rooney on July 19, 2012, 09:57:31 pm
No, the party's comedic timing still needs a lot of work.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: 🍁 Hatman on July 19, 2012, 09:58:24 pm
This thread would have been better if everyone kept the Thai party thing going, instead of answering this question seriously.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: patrick1 on July 19, 2012, 10:38:35 pm
Yes and so is the Republican party. He was a rather important theorist after all.

By Christ though, why are so many people who follow politics or political engaged such unreasonable people?  Some people are just so stubbornly and yet blissfully ignorant that it is maddening to read.
I know, they were going crazy in a US senate thread about how democrats aren't influenced by Marx whatsoever and you would have to be a "narrow, ignorant, uninformed, uneducated, stupid" person to think so. 


Don't agree with me, you are the unreasonable and blissfully ignorant type I was referring to.

As fleshed out more above, Marx had a major impact on history so of course he had some influence.  However, you trying to equate the "Democrat" party with Marx is just a boring and cheap attempt at propaganda.   This tripe may suffice with people who couldn't pick Marx out of a police lineup but it shouldn't be meant for consumption among reasonable people.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: Frodo on July 19, 2012, 10:56:09 pm
Why are you asking?  Are you moving to Thailand? 



Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: The Mikado on July 19, 2012, 11:35:46 pm
But seriously, modernity itself is influenced by Marx. Profoundly. (It's also influenced by, for example, Newton, Voltaire, Comte.) If any more profoundly in the case of the Democratic Party than in other cases, only by a trivial amount, relatively speaking.

Basically this was going to be my attempt at a 'serious' answer. I would say though the ghost of vulgar marxism consistently haunts all political discourse to this even in places where at first glance Marx is the 'enemy' (American conservatism are fond of what might be termed 'reserve vulgar marxism' in their rhetoric for example).

Nice, but you should've said the "spectre of vulgar Marxism" rather than the ghost.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: Compassion Fills the Void on July 20, 2012, 01:58:00 am
Democrats have influences like John Maynard Keynes, Che Guevara, and Marx.

It's going to be pretty hard to declare a statement the single stupidest thing ever posted on Atlas, but this unquestionably at least makes the top 10.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: morgieb on July 20, 2012, 07:12:23 am
If the Democratic Party was influenced by Marx, why is America's economy so deregulated?


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on July 20, 2012, 12:05:11 pm
But seriously, modernity itself is influenced by Marx. Profoundly. (It's also influenced by, for example, Newton, Voltaire, Comte.) If any more profoundly in the case of the Democratic Party than in other cases, only by a trivial amount, relatively speaking.

Basically this was going to be my attempt at a 'serious' answer. I would say though the ghost of vulgar marxism consistently haunts all political discourse to this even in places where at first glance Marx is the 'enemy' (American conservatism are fond of what might be termed 'reserve vulgar marxism' in their rhetoric for example).

Nice, but you should've said the "spectre of vulgar Marxism" rather than the ghost.

Yes, my ability to mix metaphors really does damage to the aesthetics of my arguments. I will have to pay more attention in future.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: © tweed on July 20, 2012, 12:23:15 pm

Basically this was going to be my attempt at a 'serious' answer. I would say though the ghost of vulgar marxism consistently haunts all political discourse to this even in places where at first glance Marx is the 'enemy' (American conservatism are fond of what might be termed 'reserve vulgar marxism' in their rhetoric for example).

presuming you meant 'reverse vulgar Marxism', this was about what I was planning to say, and I was also going to say that, in this sense, Republicans (at least, the brain trust, not the true-believer politicians) are more marxist than Democrats.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on July 20, 2012, 12:31:04 pm

Basically this was going to be my attempt at a 'serious' answer. I would say though the ghost of vulgar marxism consistently haunts all political discourse to this even in places where at first glance Marx is the 'enemy' (American conservatism are fond of what might be termed 'reserve vulgar marxism' in their rhetoric for example).

presuming you meant 'reverse vulgar Marxism', this was about what I was planning to say, and I was also going to say that, in this sense, Republicans (at least, the brain trust, not the true-believer politicians) are more marxist than Democrats.

Uggh... yes. Stupid Typos. Reverse Vulgar Marxisms. And yes I would agree that the GOP is more 'marxist' (even if not Marxist) than the Democrats.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on July 20, 2012, 12:54:58 pm
Or put it another way (yes, I know this thread should be killed with fire but I actually think this is an interesting topic once put aside the political fluff) Marx is to the study of politics and society what Freud is to the study of the human mind. Both were remarkable genuises in the way they built their intellectual schema yet having built and then made deductions from that schema they came up with ideas that turned out to be horribly wrong. Yet such was the power and influence of their original ideas (and the mutations from their original ideas) that they became fundamental to their subjects, which would be in the modern form unimaginable without them. Even the proclaimed enemies of Marx speak his language and try to refute him using ideas originally conceived by him. Marx, like Freud, is a dead thinker who is still embedded in every crevice of the subjects he touched.

Non-Marxist sociology or Non-Freudian Psychology makes as much sense as Non-Pythagorian geometry really.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: Frodo on July 20, 2012, 06:21:29 pm
What does any of this have to do with Thailand?  Can we at least try not to get off-topic here?  Clearly the originator of this thread has developed a keen (though unexpected) interest in Thai politics. 



Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: minionofmidas - supplemental forum account on July 21, 2012, 05:18:48 am
lmfao.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: Homage to Catalonia on July 21, 2012, 05:52:08 pm
lmfao.

And this is the best answer, ladies and gentelmen.

/thread


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: Vosem on July 21, 2012, 08:08:31 pm
Yes. Everybody is influenced by Marx, either directly or indirectly (influenced by people influenced by Marx). And some people have a revulsion to Marxism and are influenced by it to do the opposite. Marx has had enough of an impact on history that everybody's thinking is influenced by him.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: Foucaulf on July 21, 2012, 08:34:31 pm
I would say though the ghost of vulgar marxism consistently haunts all political discourse to this even in places where at first glance Marx is the 'enemy' (American conservatism are fond of what might be termed 'reserve vulgar marxism' in their rhetoric for example).

Yes. Everybody is influenced by Marx, either directly or indirectly (influenced by people influenced by Marx). And some people have a revulsion to Marxism and are influenced by it to do the opposite. Marx has had enough of an impact on history that everybody's thinking is influenced by him.

18th Brumaire: (http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1852/18th-brumaire/ch01.htm)

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Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts ... appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: TheDeadFlagBlues on July 21, 2012, 09:04:26 pm
This is pretty unrelated to the topic of the thread but communists played a bigger role in the trade union movement that many left-liberals here in the states would like to admit.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: © tweed on July 22, 2012, 12:00:24 am
This is pretty unrelated to the topic of the thread but communists played a bigger role in the trade union movement that many left-liberals here in the states would like to admit.

such are the benefits of not being a liberal.

Tweed, are you seriously arguing that the continuing cover-up of mass murder and slave labour was a good thing?

could have been, sure.  the great industrial unions of this country That Built the American Middle Class™ were in large part organized by loyal Stalinists in the 1930s and 1940s.  if a full light were shone on Stalin by the time of the Moscow Trials the organizers would have been put in jail or blacklisted or lynched.  we may not have had a UAW, United Steelworkers, etc. to speak of.  would that have been good?  no.  life is a complicated, counter-intuitive thing.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: Averroës on July 22, 2012, 09:35:42 am
This is pretty unrelated to the topic of the thread but communists played a bigger role in the trade union movement that many left-liberals here in the states would like to admit.

Because for most people, condemnatory normative judgement disrupts the discussion in the moment that any of these terms are mentioned.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: People's Speaker North Carolina Yankee on July 22, 2012, 02:15:12 pm
I didn't realize Groucho was that big of a thing in Thailand.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: Zioneer on July 23, 2012, 08:08:19 pm
AmericanNation is not very good at being a troll.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: Maxwell on July 30, 2012, 02:10:55 am
Another thing, AN- you should have defined exactly what you meant by 'influenced.'
I think you could say Republicans have influences like Milton Friedman   

If only the Republicans were actually influenced by Milton Friedman...


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: PR on August 06, 2012, 12:09:42 pm
The Republican Party is influenced by Ayn Rand, who is objectively more horrible than Marx (who pretty much all Democrats, btw, have wanted nothing to do with since the 1940s) as well as more influential.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: IBDD on August 06, 2012, 12:15:20 pm
I believe That the democratic party as of now is influenced by Kennedy, FDR, and Clinton, and I also believe  that the Republicans as of now are influenced by Ronald Reagan


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: shua on August 06, 2012, 12:46:36 pm
The Republican Party is influenced by Ayn Rand, who is objectively more horrible than Marx (who pretty much all Democrats, btw, have wanted nothing to do with since the 1940s) as well as more influential.
Rand's influence for most people isn't in terms of anything she came up with that was particularly unique, and certainly nothing worth comparing to the lasting historical influence of Marxism.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: the 2018- The People v. The Pepe on August 09, 2012, 09:00:48 am
Another thing, AN- you should have defined exactly what you meant by 'influenced.'
I think you could say Republicans have influences like Milton Friedman, Friedrich Hayek, Adam Smith, etc. 

Democrats have influences like John Maynard Keynes, Che Guevara, and Marx.   You could make the argument that American democrats are influenced by European socialists(who are influenced by Marx) rather than Marx himself.     

Keynes was arguably more conservative than so classical liberalsz.

The Republican Party is influenced by Ayn Rand, who is objectively more horrible than Marx (who pretty much all Democrats, btw, have wanted nothing to do with since the 1940s) as well as more influential.
Rand's influence for most people isn't in terms of anything she came up with that was particularly unique, and certainly nothing worth comparing to the lasting historical influence of Marxism.

Though, I don't think Ayn Rand was into opposition to abortion, homosexuality or science. Though, outside of cultural issues, she was very Republican. Very pro-ifyouarenotwithusyouareagainstus and very anti-peoplewhocan'ttakecareofthemselves. 


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: Trounce-'em Theresa on August 11, 2012, 01:01:06 am
Ayn Rand was actually intensely anti-gay, though I haven't made enough of a study of her to be sure why exactly.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: Free Palestine on August 11, 2012, 01:08:34 am
Looooooooooooooooooooool

Like a tiny minority of Democrats are even hard-progressive like Bernie Sanders.  And most people who subscribe to Marxism would not be caught dead calling themselves Democrats.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: Solitude Without a Window on August 11, 2012, 10:42:04 am
The Republican Party is influenced by Ayn Rand, who is objectively more horrible than Marx (who pretty much all Democrats, btw, have wanted nothing to do with since the 1940s) as well as more influential.
Rand's influence for most people isn't in terms of anything she came up with that was particularly unique, and certainly nothing worth comparing to the lasting historical influence of Marxism.

Though, I don't think Ayn Rand was into opposition to abortion, homosexuality or science. Though, outside of cultural issues, she was very Republican. Very pro-ifyouarenotwithusyouareagainstus and very anti-peoplewhocan'ttakecareofthemselves. 

Or, in shorter terms, batsh*t insane.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on August 11, 2012, 10:46:34 am
Ayn Rand was actually intensely anti-gay, though I haven't made enough of a study of her to be sure why exactly.

I think it may have just been because she was a horrible person.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: Redalgo on August 11, 2012, 11:20:55 am
Looooooooooooooooooooool

Like a tiny minority of Democrats are even hard-progressive like Bernie Sanders.  And most people who subscribe to Marxism would not be caught dead calling themselves Democrats.

Yeah, basically. Aside from that, Marx's legacy is of such significance and breadth across several fields of study that I can probably say with some degree of confidence that I've never discussed politics with anyone who has not at all been influenced by him, in one respect or another.

Being influenced by others does not mean one has to agree with them on most (or any) matters.


Title: Re: Is the Democrat Party influenced by Marx?
Post by: The Mikado on August 11, 2012, 11:29:19 am
That's exactly what's wrong with Morgan's post, though.  Everyone, including especially the most ardent of Marx's critics, are heavily influenced by him, because his work is so seminal.