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General Discussion => Constitution and Law => Topic started by: gunnut on July 23, 2012, 12:43:46 PM



Title: Florida's Stand Your Ground Law
Post by: gunnut on July 23, 2012, 12:43:46 PM
After much controversy over this law that has protected some but endangered most, I've decided to do a poll. Personally, I believe it could protect some people if it wasn't so vague.


Title: Re: Florida's Stand Your Ground Law
Post by: Vosem on July 23, 2012, 07:42:17 PM
Keep, of course, just like the people of Florida want. Unfortunately it seems on this forum so far I'm in a minority of one.


Title: Re: Florida's Stand Your Ground Law
Post by: Franzl on July 23, 2012, 09:18:37 PM
This is the kind of question that would be considered a sick joke in most places.


Title: Re: Florida's Stand Your Ground Law
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on July 23, 2012, 10:01:37 PM
It needs to be amended to make clear that following someone does not invoke the stand your ground provisions if the person you are following turns to confront you.


Title: Re: Florida's Stand Your Ground Law
Post by: dead0man on July 24, 2012, 12:20:18 AM
It needs to be amended to make clear that following someone does not invoke the stand your ground provisions if the person you are following turns to confront you.
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Title: Re: Florida's Stand Your Ground Law
Post by: Win32 on July 24, 2012, 12:37:35 AM
I can't see any reason why the right to stand your ground should turn on whether you were following someone. If the person simply confronts you, that is one thing. If he moves to attack you, that is quite another.

That said, I haven't so much as glanced at the text of the statute, so I abstain from voting.


Title: Re: Florida's Stand Your Ground Law
Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on July 24, 2012, 12:45:22 AM
Keep, of course, just like the people of Florida want. Unfortunately it seems on this forum so far I'm in a minority of one.

Well, you're not completely alone.


Title: Re: Florida's Stand Your Ground Law
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on July 24, 2012, 09:12:40 AM
I can't see any reason why the right to stand your ground should turn on whether you were following someone. If the person simply confronts you, that is one thing. If he moves to attack you, that is quite another.

It's simple enough even a Republican should be able to understand.  When Martin turned to confront the person following him, he became the person standing his ground, not Zimmerman.


Title: Re: Florida's Stand Your Ground Law
Post by: Win32 on July 24, 2012, 09:44:07 AM
I haven't delved into the facts of the Martin-Zimmerman case, which don't seem relevant here. But following someone, by itself and without more, is no threat of force, and certainly does not prevent the pursued from standing his ground. Indeed, in a typical case it means you want the person to stay situated, so you can talk to him.


Title: Re: Florida's Stand Your Ground Law
Post by: Bacon King on July 26, 2012, 12:46:41 PM
I'm mostly ambivalent on Castle Doctrine laws, but a duty should retreat should definitely exist when not on one's own property.


Title: Re: Florida's Stand Your Ground Law
Post by: Grumpier Than Thou on August 04, 2012, 08:24:08 PM
Voted Amend It, should keep it.