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Interventionist libertarianism

Progressive liberalism.

'Conservative', despite the fact there is literally 100 different branches of Conservatism.

I'm just a bit boring like that.

Social democracy.

What Supersonic said.

I'll describe myself as either an anarchist or as a revolutionary socialist.

Washburnist Socialism

Progressive social democracy.

This is an oxymoron.

Modern Constitutionalism.

Groucho-Marxist

If I had to sum it up in one term... Progressive Third-Wayist Liberal?  Pragmatic Progressive sounds good, too.


lol

a mess

Feudalism
Cathconicism
A couple titles involving my name
etc.

Progressive Dixiecrat

Democratic socialism (generally), Redalgoan socialism, or some variations thereof (specifically).

Folks here should really cut Vosem some slack by the way. I can think of at least two ways for,
"interventionist libertarianism" to make sense in a completely non-lulzy kind of way.

Nihilism.

America First Conservative Realist

Paleoconservative

Pragmatic Liberal

Not really. Leftist social policies, right-wing economic policies, and an interventionist foreign policy. In America, when the first two are combined, we call that 'libertarian'. However, this usually comes with isolationism, so it's necessary to point out I am specifically an interventionist libertarian.

Unless you have a better idea?

Authoritarian voluntarist communitarianism

The Path

But one of the main views of Libertarianism, if not the cornerstone, is that no man can launch force against another man without having been attacked by the other man first. Interventionism is not possible in Libertarianism. You can be a social libertarian, but not a full blown libertarian.

Social Democrat or American Liberal.

Somehow that's never struck me as a cornerstone of libertarianism, but if so, what would you call my set of ideological beliefs? I'm loath to just say conservative because I support abortion and gay integration and marijuana legalization and secularism in general, which are pretty much antithetical to modern American conservatism. (Otherwise, on foreign policy and economics, and some minor social issues like gun rights and the death penalty, I'm pretty much  a standard American rightist.

Vosem, maybe liberal internationalist - using "liberal" in a worldly sense - would be applicable to you?

Otherwise you might reason that interventionism is acceptable as a libertarian so as to shift other nations into the libertarian paradigm. Or if you are interventionist for the sake of national self-interest, you simply apply libertarian thinking to people of your nation but not to your decision-making as it pertains to the peoples of others - who are arguably not your responsibility to protect the rights and liberties of? I see this all as being open to interpretation.

I would describe my ideology basically the same way Vosem does, socially libertarian & economically right-wing with an interventionist foreign policy.

Communitarianism, of a technocratic and humanitarian variety.

A liberal conservative: a person whose standards are for organic change, and believes that human institutions exist out of years of human experience. Think Edmund Burke or F.A. Hayek.

Moderate anti-capitalist, more specifically democratic socialist but I also hold some anarcho-syndicalist views.

libertarian or voluntaryist

2/3s of that makes sense

Anarcho-authoritarianism.

Social Democracy, in its true meaning.

Libertarianism was an ideology founded on the principles of fiscal conservatism and social liberalism, yes, but a core component of libertarianism is non-interventionism, or isolationism. You cannot be a libertarian without support a non-interventionist foreign policy. That's like saying "i'm a pacifist, but i'll still fight someone if need be." No, that makes you a militarist. You cannot be a militarist libertarian, it's a contradiction of the ideology.

Herman, after my grandfather.

Anti-reactionary, basically.

Progressive regionalist green social liberal; in shorter terms, pure elitist boboism at its finest.

Heroic Moderatism

Which third doesn't, then?

The thing is that in America liberal implies economic leftism, so I don't think that can work either.

As for the reason for my interventionism, it consists mostly of national interest, yes. I supported the invasion of Iraq, for instance.

Warlordism?

What's the cleverest way to express rule-by-the-débauchés?

Nah, I made it up. :P

I call it Hobba-Bobba.

The mistake you made is giving shit about the subtleties of this crap. If we're gonna be absolutist, the only true "conservative" is a caveman. So let's stop this and examine what he meant by that: a relatively hands-off domestic policy coupled with a belief in a strong and potentially active (if he views it as necessary) national defense. There we go.

Sane

I'm a Socialist. No need to dress it up by saying "Social Democrat" or "Democratic Socialist" or whatever other BS people tie onto the term to make themselves seem more nuanced. I'm just a boring, boring Socialist.

Blue-green socialist. Cutesy, I know, but all of the other terms that could possibly be both applicable and specific have unfortunate associations ('unfortunate' here ranging from 'Bob Katter' to 'Pol Pot').

I vote Libertarian, but I'm clearly not that as I support stopping genocides and other over the top sh**tty behavior outside the borders of my own nation.  I support free trade, but don't think we should trade at all with nations that treat people or the environment like sh**t.  I generally don't like the tactics of the environmentalists, but think we should punish the hell out of people that treat it like sh**t.  I'm for a strong police, military, courts and think the people that make up those things should be held to a higher standard thus they should suffer much harsher penalties when they abuse the trust of the people.

Basically, I think everybody should be allowed to do what they want, how they want, when they want....unless it harms others, then the hammer should be dropped on them.  Hard.  I don't know what that makes me.

Libertarian Conservative Nationalist.

Liberal Conservative.

I like social democrat.

It's interesting that this thread question has actually bothered me for a few days.  I keep trying to think about how to answer it and I honestly don't know how.  I support markets and free trade, though I think the tax base should be broad enough to enable federal and local governments to make continuous and intelligent investments in education, health care, infrastructure, public safety and the interior, so as to provide for opportunity and a safety net that benefits everyone, and not just some at the expense of others.  I believe in a strong and healthy legal system and that the military should be well-provisioned and respected by the citizens, but should be called upon quite sparingly.  I believe that individuals should be permitted optimal freedom in pursuing their own happiness, but also that public discourse should pay much attention to the importance of an inclusive national community.  

Those are broad principles I hold, and I'm not that interested in finding a label that they add up to.  It's all too easy to make a list of these principles; it's the detailed work of solving actual specific problems where life gets both more interesting and more tricky.  It's like what Frank McCourt wrote about his first day of grade-school teaching when a kid threw his lunchbox sandwich at another kid and it landed at his own feet at the front of the room--that after four years of English and pedagogy classes at NYU, he suddenly realized that no one had taught him how to handle a flying sandwich situation.          

Most of the times I don't know very well where I am ideologically speaking. Somewhere in the left for sure, but we are living in a confusing age. I suppose that I am a sort of green social democrat or socialist in the European sense, of course. Since I have an odd consensual character when I'm not angry and/or devoured by a righteous indignation with the great injustices that daily occur around the world, sometimes I look like a moderate hero and, who knows, maybe I'll become in one of those when I'm 64, more of less the age of Paul McCartney.

You're a Liberal based off this.

It's different than being a Republican and being a dove or being a Democrat and being a hawk.  I think it was Ghost_white that really pounded it into my head that Libertarianism is an isolationist or non-interventionist ideology. No true Libertarian supports militarism because that defies the principle of liberty for all (regardless of where they live or whom they are) as well as the idea of America being a peace-keeping nation. I've really come to peace with Libertarianism after I went on that whole long rant about it being a totally shit ideology and all that. The one thing I've accepted, above all, about Libertarianism is that it is an ideology centered around non-interventionist foreign policy. That principle cannot be compromised, negotiated or changed. You can be a conservative and support non-interventionism, you can be a liberal and support militarism, but you absolutely cannot be a true Libertarian without supporting non-interventionism. It's a principle that is proverbially glued to the ideology.

I don't know, Napoleon, some of my views on policy now would likely piss liberals off too. 

Moderate Hero! :D

Your economic ideas tend to compare with mine. The people you are talking about are the people who have little understanding of economics and call themselves social democrats but in practice they aren't even that. :P whatever you call protectionism and anger mixed together. :P

True Libertarianism from what I hear is impossible. Thus, I believe that the term should be more lenient. As well, let's allow for some interpretation here.

I guess.

"True libertarianism" strikes me more as a religion or life philosophy than a political ideology because it allows for basically no pragmatism to deal with whatever situation may arise. That's why libertarians will often argue to no end about how other other one isn't really a libertarian.

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As for me, I generally identify as conservative but find that description somewhat lacking. I have some pieces of communitarianism, neoconservatism, paleoconservatism, anthropocentrism, reactionary, classical liberalism, and classical conservatism in me that may surface depending on the issue.

The reason I no longer identify as a Libertarian is because Libertarians argue each other to death over what a Libertarian actually is.

See, I've never seen isolationism as a key component of libertarianism. My personal readings have always shown the two key planks of libertarianism are 'smaller government' and 'let people do whatever they want, for the most part'. Foreign affairs aren't really a key part of the ideology, although most libertarians are isolationist. Ergo = interventionist libertarian.

Compassionate conservative? :P

But Libertarianism teaches that no man can force his will upon another through the use of force. Libertarianism does not support isolationism, per say, but it certainly does not support actions like the Iraq War.

Then again, this post violates my last one ;)

The truth. ;)

liberal progressive i guess

^^^ Yes, this.

"Being right". ;)

Ok, I suppose "trying to be reasonable" might be more realistic.

Paleoconservatarianism

A much better term for you would "postmodern conservative" or "nihilist conservative".

I'm not a nihilist. I like the first term, but I feel like it would sound really stupid in actual conversation, as opposed to writing.


I've always interpreted libertarianism as meaning no government can use force its will on its own citizens using force, not 'no man on another man'.

Boring.

I had a brain fart however about what separates centrists and center right folks versus those farther left when it comes to how to fashion the social safety net. It's subtle, and never talked about, but I think it is there. I will share the fart later. I am not sure where to park it. :)

Mechanism

OK, guys, I think I've figured out a name for my ideology. What about: neoliberalism?

Mine is called: secular conservatism.

Pragmatic liberalism

Hmmm...half libertarian eco-socialism (in other words, run by worker/consumer co-operatives rather than government), half Keynesian social democracy. 

Can I change my answer?

My ideology is called 'being right'

In practice, my worldview is usually that of a pragmatic progressive/realistic liberal.

However, I judge policies based on their merits, not whether they are "centre-right" or centre-left", so I might describe myself as non-ideological.

Isn't that a bit of an oxymoron?

you aren't a libertarian

If murder is indecent, why should the state response to the taking of a life be to take that of another? Particularly if the justice system rests on human judgement which can be erroneous. Why impose a penalty (death) that can never be appealed if it is determined in a court of law that there has been a miscarriage of justice?

calling yourself libertarian is like calling yourself communist, there's not really much room for leeway. actually even less.

You seem to be a economic libertarian and a social conservative. Or rather, a generic right wing American conservative. Of course, it isn't my place to say what your ideology should be called or what-not.

The term for paternalistic libertarianism is 'conservatism'.

History says there's rather a lot of room for leeway in both ideologies.

Yeah. Anyone seriously comparing Maoism or whatever Pol Pot advocated to original Marxism or even Marxism-Leninism is in for a surprise.

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What. Is. This.

Feel free to stop posting.

Pro-life libertarian is as near a description as I could muster.

Classical liberal is apt as well.

Socialist

Progressive Realism. :P

did you get that term from Robert Wright?

I consider myself a moderate, establishment conservative.

I now define my ideology as Mustafinism-Komovism (Мустафинизм-комовизм).

Left-leaning Christian Democrat

Pragmatist Third Way Democrat. A little left of center. More progressive than Mark Warner but more moderate than Barack Obama.
I'm a Reagan-Clinton Democrat.

A culturally "traditionalist", technocratic communitarian with market liberal tendencies. In general, my personal orientation trends toward collectivism and group action and my general outlook is bureaucratic. At the same time, I accept basic economic truth. There's no difference between denying free trade, denying evolution, and denying gravity.

I generally align with the Republican Party because I view the GOP as the "natural party of government" and the only legitimate major party in American politics. In that the Democratic Party can only gain serious power through collaboration with groups I view as rent-seeking non-state actors (see: union thugs, the higher education cartel, and other rapacious organizations) or through politically motivated central planning that is bad for me (Obama's "we'll reward our friends and punish our enemies").

That and the Democrats seem very culturally hostile to me. I find the social policy of the ascendent single-urban-secular-white-liberal cohort of the Democrats culturally incompatible. I find the very outspoken Judeo-Christian-Western stance of the GOP quite strange and somewhat disagree with it, but it seems like something I can at the very least co-exist with.

Koenkai, are you seriously saying that the Democrats are the more culturally hostile party? Tell me, which party has more people from other cultures? Also, are you saying that mega-corporations aren't rent-seeking nonstate actors? Because I'm pretty sure Mitt Romney wouldn't be doing this well without some good old billionaire support.

Right leaning Independent/semi Libertarian

When it comes to my culture, yes. I don't speak for other cultures, nor should I.


Yes. And they divide up pretty evenly between the two parties anyways.

Oh please. Just say Neoconservatism.

are you an actual human being just wondering

Socially moderately-conservative and fiscally moderately-liberal.

Conservative Republican with libertarian leanings who is willing to compromise and be bipartisan in order to accomplish my overall agenda.

And here is how I define it. (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=167132.0)

oh Lord...

Conservative Yankee Republican.  A Northern Republican who is both fiscally and socially conservative but with some moderate leanings and a moderat/liberal demeanor like a Rockefeller Republican.

Mine

Neo-secular liberal progressivism

Effed up

I agree ;)

A pragmatist who is hostile to ideology, but with a bias in favor of markets and equal opportunity and individual expression.

Thoughtful

Lockean, more or less, with a tendency toward existentialism during periods of distress.

Who's sock are you?

Liberalitarianism.

Technocratic neoconservatism

Social democracy/left-liberalism, I suppose.

A bit like Torie I loathe the expectation of rigid adherence to an ideology. Overall I call myself a progressive, I'm left libertarian on most social issues and I slide toward the middle when it comes to economics.

If I could change my original answer: social democracy with a cooperative twist.

I am a Old School Populist Democrat From the south. I Believe the confederacy was right on the war of the states & Jefferson Davis Is one of my political heroes. I am a die-hard Democrat & will never leave the party of Jackson ever. I am Progressive on economic issues & Conservative On social issues. I hate northerners & wish the democrats to be only southerners like in the 30s and before then & I cannot stand Yankees & I love the south so much. I am proud of my parties roots.

Blue Dog Centrism- Moderate on Social Issues, Conservative on Economics , and a Hawk when it comes to Foreign Policy

National Liberalism.

Center-left on domestic policy, pragmatic in foreign policy. Basically, social democracy in economics, progressivism in social relations, nationalism in outlook, and when it comes to energy policy, I'm all for nuclear power, natural gas, and hydropower dams.

Are you a fake poster intending to make fun of me?

Monarchist conservative. More broadly, right-wing on economics, hawkish abroad and center-right-to-right socially.

Pragmatic Libertarianism