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Title: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (Sent to the Regions) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 30, 2012, 10:40:27 AM Quote AN AMENDMENT To establish clearer proceedings for the Impeachment of Government Officials. Be it enacted by 2/3 of the Senate of the Republic of Atlasia assembled. This Amendment shall be titled as the "Impeachment Clarification Amendment". Section 2: Impeachment 1.In the same manner as the proposition of a Bill, Articles of Impeachment may be proposed against any executive or judicial officer of the federal government. 2.The Senate 3.The People shall have sole power to try such impeachments. The Chief Justice shall administer a public poll to try the impeachment, unless it is the Chief Justice who shall have been impeached, in which case the Senate President pro tempore shall administer the public poll. The public poll shall be held for one week and shall require the consent of a majority voting to convict. Citizens shall make their vote publicly known in the form of a post. 4.Upon conviction by the People, the officer shall be removed from office immediately. Any person convicted upon impeachment shall be disqualified from holding any office under the Republic of Atlasia for a time period explicitly specified in the Articles of Impeachment. Sponsor: NC Yankee Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 30, 2012, 10:42:46 AM It is a rather minimal change to be sure, but "shall" is much more powerfull word then "will" in legal terms.
Also, we can determine if we want to make any other changes or add requirements to prevent a future communications breakdown and to limit the need to proceed to trial like proceedings in the Senate, simply because a Senate introduces articles on a lone wolf like mission. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (Debating) Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on July 30, 2012, 01:36:58 PM Amendment:
Quote AN AMENDMENT To establish clearer proceedings for the Impeachment of Government Officials. Be it enacted by 2/3 of the Senate of the Republic of Atlasia assembled. This Amendment shall be titled as the "Impeachment Clarification Amendment". Section 2: Impeachment 1. In the same manner as the proposition of a Bill, Articles of Impeachment may be proposed against any executive or judicial officer of the federal government. 2. All impeachment hearings will first take place in the Senate Committee on the Judiciary for a period of seven days. During this time, members of the committee may ask questions to all people involved in impeachment cases and review the Articles of Impeachment. All people in the deposition will provide their testimonies under oath. If a witness is found to have lied whilst bound by the oath, perjury may be charged against them. 3. Upon completion of the Committee hearing, the Senate 4. The People shall have sole power to try such impeachments. The Chief Justice shall administer a public poll to try the impeachment, unless it is the Chief Justice who shall have been impeached, in which case the Senate President pro tempore shall administer the public poll. The public poll shall be held for one week and shall require the consent of a majority voting to convict. Citizens shall make their vote publicly known in the form of a post. 5. Upon conviction by the People, the officer shall be removed from office immediately. Any person convicted upon impeachment shall be disqualified from holding any office under the Republic of Atlasia for a time period explicitly specified in the Articles of Impeachment. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 30, 2012, 01:55:58 PM Quote from: Amendment 50:20 by Scott AN AMENDMENT To establish clearer proceedings for the Impeachment of Government Officials. Be it enacted by 2/3 of the Senate of the Republic of Atlasia assembled. This Amendment shall be titled as the "Impeachment Clarification Amendment". Section 2: Impeachment 1. In the same manner as the proposition of a Bill, Articles of Impeachment may be proposed against any executive or judicial officer of the federal government. 2. All impeachment hearings will first take place in the Senate Committee on the Judiciary for a period of seven days. During this time, members of the committee may ask questions to all people involved in impeachment cases and review the Articles of Impeachment. All people in the deposition will provide their testimonies under oath. If a witness is found to have lied whilst bound by the oath, perjury may be charged against them. 3. Upon completion of the Committee hearing, the Senate 4. The People shall have sole power to try such impeachments. The Chief Justice shall administer a public poll to try the impeachment, unless it is the Chief Justice who shall have been impeached, in which case the Senate President pro tempore shall administer the public poll. The public poll shall be held for one week and shall require the consent of a majority voting to convict. Citizens shall make their vote publicly known in the form of a post. 5. Upon conviction by the People, the officer shall be removed from office immediately. Any person convicted upon impeachment shall be disqualified from holding any office under the Republic of Atlasia for a time period explicitly specified in the Articles of Impeachment. Sponsor Feedback: Friendly Status: Senators have 24 hours to object Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (Debating) Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on July 30, 2012, 11:34:25 PM I actually think its a great idea to enshrine these Committees. There's no good argument for them not to become a permanent part of our culture.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (Debating) Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on July 30, 2012, 11:43:02 PM I honestly don't see what difference it would make...
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (Debating) Post by: AndrewTX on July 31, 2012, 12:27:57 PM I don't really see a difference either..
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 01, 2012, 11:55:06 AM It concerns me because the committees are a creation of a Senate Resolution and that gives the Senate a lot of flexibility to alter or change it as necessary, something which is especially important in period when we are just starting with these. Putting in the Constitution would remove that flexibility.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 02, 2012, 12:58:59 PM Does the amendment sponsor disagree with my reasoning on this?
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (Debating) Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on August 02, 2012, 01:01:16 PM The Judiciary Committee already has the task of conducting impeachment proceedings. Enshrining this in the Constitution only underlines its authority to do that.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 02, 2012, 01:24:30 PM Well it doesn't matter if we were to come to an agreement because I am not the one who entered objection. :P
Quote from: Amendment 50:20 by Scott AN AMENDMENT To establish clearer proceedings for the Impeachment of Government Officials. Be it enacted by 2/3 of the Senate of the Republic of Atlasia assembled. This Amendment shall be titled as the "Impeachment Clarification Amendment". Section 2: Impeachment 1. In the same manner as the proposition of a Bill, Articles of Impeachment may be proposed against any executive or judicial officer of the federal government. 2. All impeachment hearings will first take place in the Senate Committee on the Judiciary for a period of seven days. During this time, members of the committee may ask questions to all people involved in impeachment cases and review the Articles of Impeachment. All people in the deposition will provide their testimonies under oath. If a witness is found to have lied whilst bound by the oath, perjury may be charged against them. 3. Upon completion of the Committee hearing, the Senate 4. The People shall have sole power to try such impeachments. The Chief Justice shall administer a public poll to try the impeachment, unless it is the Chief Justice who shall have been impeached, in which case the Senate President pro tempore shall administer the public poll. The public poll shall be held for one week and shall require the consent of a majority voting to convict. Citizens shall make their vote publicly known in the form of a post. 5. Upon conviction by the People, the officer shall be removed from office immediately. Any person convicted upon impeachment shall be disqualified from holding any office under the Republic of Atlasia for a time period explicitly specified in the Articles of Impeachment. Sponsor Feedback: Friendly Status: Objection entered by Diet of Worms. Senators this amendment is now at vote, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on August 02, 2012, 01:27:42 PM Aye.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on August 02, 2012, 01:33:26 PM Aye
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: Redalgo on August 02, 2012, 01:54:09 PM Nay
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on August 03, 2012, 05:39:52 PM Bumping for votes.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: LastVoter on August 03, 2012, 08:26:48 PM Nay
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on August 03, 2012, 11:49:20 PM I fear that the defeat of this amendment will possibly jeopardize possible impeachment procedures.
I repeat: the Judiciary Committee is already designated the task of hearing impeachment proceedings. My amendment simply outlines the procedure of how they will be conducted. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 04, 2012, 09:56:23 AM Aye
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 05, 2012, 03:21:46 PM WTF Senators?!!! >:(
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: Sbane on August 05, 2012, 04:49:07 PM Aye
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: TJ in Oregon on August 05, 2012, 09:53:30 PM Aye
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: AndrewTX on August 06, 2012, 09:31:30 AM Aye
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 08, 2012, 03:53:52 PM Vote on passage of Amendment 50:20 by Scott:
Aye (6): AndrewPA, Ben, NC Yankee, sbane, Scott and TJ in Cleve Nay (2): Redalgo and Seatown Abstain (0): Didn't Vote (2): Clarence and Worms - Sounds like a 60's band. :P The amendment has passed. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (Debating) Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on August 08, 2012, 06:57:13 PM Didn't Vote (2): Clarence and Worms - Sounds like a 60's band. :P Clarence probably saw them live :P Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (Debating) Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on August 10, 2012, 06:54:19 PM Shall we move to a final vote?
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 10, 2012, 07:39:04 PM Senators this is now at final vote, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on August 10, 2012, 07:41:26 PM Aye.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 10, 2012, 07:45:24 PM Aye
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on August 11, 2012, 12:33:07 AM Aye
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: Redalgo on August 11, 2012, 12:53:33 AM Abstain
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: Sbane on August 11, 2012, 02:47:35 AM Aye
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: AndrewTX on August 11, 2012, 07:08:09 AM Aye
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on August 11, 2012, 07:42:29 AM Aye
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 13, 2012, 05:52:52 PM We need more votes on this.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on August 13, 2012, 06:21:20 PM Aye
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: Napoleon on August 13, 2012, 06:35:02 PM I don't think that's what he meant. ;) Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 13, 2012, 07:11:40 PM Preferably from someone called by Seatown, TJ or Worms. :P
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: LastVoter on August 14, 2012, 12:58:17 AM Abstain
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: TJ in Oregon on August 14, 2012, 10:16:15 AM Aye
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (Sent to the Regions) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 16, 2012, 07:44:33 PM Vote on Senate passage of the Impeachment Clarification Amendment:
Aye (7): AndrewPA, Ben, Clarence, NC Yankee, sbane, Scott, and TJ in Cleve Nay (0): Abstain (2): Redalgo and Seatown Didn't Vote (1): Take a wild Guess! ;) The amendment has passed the Senate and has been forwarded to the Regions. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Impeachment Clarification Amendment (Sent to the Regions) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 16, 2012, 07:48:20 PM Quote from: Final Text AN AMENDMENT To establish clearer proceedings for the Impeachment of Government Officials. Be it enacted by 2/3 of the Senate of the Republic of Atlasia assembled. This Amendment shall be titled as the "Impeachment Clarification Amendment". Section 2: Impeachment 1. In the same manner as the proposition of a Bill, Articles of Impeachment may be proposed against any executive or judicial officer of the federal government. 2. All impeachment hearings will first take place in the Senate Committee on the Judiciary for a period of seven days. During this time, members of the committee may ask questions to all people involved in impeachment cases and review the Articles of Impeachment. All people in the deposition will provide their testimonies under oath. If a witness is found to have lied whilst bound by the oath, perjury may be charged against them. 3. Upon completion of the Committee hearing, the Senate 4. The People shall have sole power to try such impeachments. The Chief Justice shall administer a public poll to try the impeachment, unless it is the Chief Justice who shall have been impeached, in which case the Senate President pro tempore shall administer the public poll. The public poll shall be held for one week and shall require the consent of a majority voting to convict. Citizens shall make their vote publicly known in the form of a post. 5. Upon conviction by the People, the officer shall be removed from office immediately. Any person convicted upon impeachment shall be disqualified from holding any office under the Republic of Atlasia for a time period explicitly specified in the Articles of Impeachment. |