Talk Elections

Full story/interview here. (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/07/31/615631/strickland-voter-id-poll-tax/)

I think Strickland did a very good job of laying out the Democrats' stance:

     Didn't Strickland, you know, lose?

Yikes, I'm still wondering how I could have actually considered voting for this guy (and reminded why I didn't). You would think with a statement like that one the GOP actually did enact a poll tax. Maybe we ought to next time? What would Strickland say, the exact same thing?

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Sounds like he is hyperbolizing in an effort to inflame the emotions of potentially soft liberal support for Obama so as to ensure they turn out and volunteer.

Voter ID itself is a good policy. How it is enacted is where you need to be carefull to ensure no one is disenfranchised by it.

How is it that among 16 million people in Georgia and Indiana over several elections, the Democrats have failed to locate a single case of voter 'suppression' and produce it in a court of law?

Switch Democrats for Republicans and suppression for fraud, and I could say the same thing.

But you'd be grossly incorrect, because Republicans have made cases for fraud in a court of law. Several courts of law, in fact.

Lets face it, there are more Dems than Republicans. If 100% of eligible voters (a larger group than RV) voted, Dems would have majorities in congress and most states. Transversely things generally work out to where the lower the turnout the better it is for the GOP, so it is no surprise that they want to do what they can to keep turnout low. These laws are pretty clever as they are dressed up as preventing fraud but please lets all stop pretending we dont know whats going on here.

Former Governor Strickland.

The Strickland statement seems to be an assertion backed up by nothing. As long as one can get an ID for free and conveniently, I am not impressed with the Dems' argument that a penny's worth of suppression of ineligible voters costs a dollar's worth of suppression of legitimate voters. It seems more of a talking point to rile up the Dem base.

Where's your evidence, and compared to how many possibly legitimate voters that have been removed from the voting rolls, how many fraudsters have been convicted?

Why don't you read Crawford v Marion County? It's all there and public knowledge. I'm sorry that you aren't aware of it, but I suspect that's merely a function of you choosing to willingly be ignorant.

Give me statistics, not a Supreme Court case.

I did. Your statistic is a big fat zero. You didn't like it. Given that the number of demonstrated cases of voter fraud is non-zero, it's obvious which is greater.

How is it that among 16 million people in Georgia and Indiana over several elections, the Democrats have failed to locate a single case of voter 'suppression' and produce it in a court of law?

Voter ID skyrockets in popularity,

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-concerns-about-voter-fraud-spur-broad-support-for-voter-id-laws/2012/08/11/40db3aba-e2fb-11e1-ae7f-d2a13e249eb2_story.html




74% support! Few things in America have 74% support.

Opposition is limited to a bunch of screaming whining lunatics.

Is the underlined your new euphemism for Black People?

Those are about the number of people who disapproved of blacks and whites marrying when SCOTUS ruled on Loving v. Virginia.

Because what's being done, while unethical, may, technically, be 'legal' would be my guess.

I would hazard a guess that finding such a single individual would strengthen their case of getting such to be declared illegal, compared to the current Godzilla/UFO argument.

Voter ID marches onward in Pennsylvania. Haha, whiners lose again!

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/08/voter_id_law_is_still_on_penns.html

Can you get an ID for free in Ohio? Or in Pennsylvania for that matter?

Why, exactly, do you like and care about this issue so much?

I'd be curious to hear from our Canadian posters. There is a voter ID law there and if it has a disparate impact on minorities or seniors there should be some data from Canada to use in comparison.

Another thing to keep in mind is that even if the ID is provided for free, the underlying documents needed to get that ID often are not.

I had to get a copy of my birth certificate a few years ago and that took quite a bit of time to process in addition to the fee. I imagine it's even more frustrating when you've moved to a different state and have to do things through the mail.

I'm curious about this as well, also the dynamics of how this ID is obtained and any laws governing provisional balloting in Canada.

As far as I know, all provinces have health insurance cards with pictures.

And as I understand voters are required to show that, though there are back up procedures for voters who don't have their card at the polls. Is that so different from what PA has passed?

I don't think requiring ID is all that burdensome, especially after the first time. One thing we must keep in mind though is that not everyone has a drivers license. Growing up in suburban California, that is almost unthinkable, but is certainly the case in big cities with good public transport. So NYC, Philadelphia, Chicago perhaps and San Francisco/Oakland. For them new voter ID laws are burdensome, and could suppress the vote, but will only do so for a couple of cycles at the most as people get used to the law. So we must balance that against how much voter fraud there is going on currently...which as far as I know is not really a big concern anywhere. Another scenario I can think of is that the ID cards could be used as a way to harass voters by saying "this doesn't look like you". I can definitely see this happening to Blacks where a Republican poll worker could figure he could help his party by refusing to let vote any Blacks (maybe Hispanics in a wonderful place like AZ) whose ID photo might not be crystal clear.

I think registration requirements are much more of a burden than voting ID. There really needs to be universal registration of eligible citizens. Are you in favor of that Muon?

Well, those ID are free and their obtention is automatic.

I don't think I need to be. I get sent a voter's card now in IL. It lists my address and polling place, but has nothing else to identify me. Asking the person when they register if they need a picture voter's ID if they don't have a driver's license is no more difficult than asking drivers if they want to register to vote under motor voter laws.

Similarly, I wonder what they would say about the legalization of same-sex marriage and whether that opened the door to fraudulent marriages.

Republicans: would you support a universal registration of voters coupled with ID distribution?

So in Illinois the government sends you the voter registration form...if I am reading that correctly? Yes, there are many ways of making sure voters can easily get a voter ID. I guess the question is whether these states imposing these laws are also making it easier to get a valid ID. And in any case my bigger gripe is with registration laws than with voter ID laws.