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Title: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: retromike22 on August 02, 2012, 04:48:33 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/law-north-carolina-bans-latest-scientific-predictions-sea-165416121--abc-news-topstories.html (http://news.yahoo.com/law-north-carolina-bans-latest-scientific-predictions-sea-165416121--abc-news-topstories.html)

The law was drafted in response to an estimate by the state's Coastal Resources Commission (CRC) that the sea level will rise by 39 inches in the next century, prompting fears of costlier home insurance and accusations of anti-development alarmism among residents and developers in the state's coastal Outer Banks region.

Democratic Gov. Bev Perdue had until Thursday to act on the bill known as House Bill 819, but she decided to let it become law by doing nothing.

The bill's passage in June triggered nationwide scorn by those who argued that the state was deliberately blinding itself to the effects of climate change. In a segment on the "Colbert Report," comedian Stephen Colbert mocked North Carolina lawmakers' efforts as an attempt to outlaw science.

"If your science gives you a result you don't like, pass a law saying the result is illegal. Problem solved," he joked.


Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: afleitch on August 02, 2012, 04:51:31 PM
I hope those who voted for or supported the bill they get flooded. But I'm sure they'd blame that on the gays.


Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on August 02, 2012, 07:04:56 PM
Some "Democrat" Perdue is for declining to veto this. I imagine that rising sea levels won't be kind to the Outer Banks.


Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: nclib on August 02, 2012, 10:14:59 PM
Why let facts get in the way of profit?


Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on August 02, 2012, 11:30:35 PM
Oh, God. Oh, my f[inks]ing God.

First Texas, now this?


Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: CultureKing on August 03, 2012, 12:32:29 AM
What's going to get real annoying is when in 30-40 years the folks in the low areas begin asking for federal assistance once their homes get swallowed up by the sea with greater frequency each year.

I wish the US wasn't such a reactionary society, it really sucks for issues like climate change.


Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on August 03, 2012, 01:27:48 AM
Don't worry folks. Inks told me that Republicans aren't anti-science at all, that's just liberal crap. 


Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: Middle-aged Europe on August 03, 2012, 04:36:02 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/law-north-carolina-bans-latest-scientific-predictions-sea-165416121--abc-news-topstories.html (http://news.yahoo.com/law-north-carolina-bans-latest-scientific-predictions-sea-165416121--abc-news-topstories.html)

The law was drafted in response to an estimate by the state's Coastal Resources Commission (CRC) that the sea level will rise by 39 inches in the next century, prompting fears of costlier home insurance and accusations of anti-development alarmism among residents and developers in the state's coastal Outer Banks region.

Democratic Gov. Bev Perdue had until Thursday to act on the bill known as House Bill 819, but she decided to let it become law by doing nothing.

The bill's passage in June triggered nationwide scorn by those who argued that the state was deliberately blinding itself to the effects of climate change. In a segment on the "Colbert Report," comedian Stephen Colbert mocked North Carolina lawmakers' efforts as an attempt to outlaw science.

"If your science gives you a result you don't like, pass a law saying the result is illegal. Problem solved," he joked.


It's what Jebus wants.


Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on August 03, 2012, 11:19:39 AM
Don't worry folks. Inks told me that Republicans aren't anti-science at all, that's just liberal crap. 

I never said no Republicans were.

And to be fair, the law doesn't ban the predictions from being made.  It bans those predictions from being used to guide state policies anytime in the next 4 years, having the state rely on  climatological data while the CRC finishes their report.

The story also uses an old version of the bill, while the end bill was more moderate.


Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 03, 2012, 11:28:31 AM
The media in this state have a habit of using the old texts that have since been amended. WRAL is still using the original Rucho-Lewis map that was canned after Butterfield's criticisms were issued.

Good ole' Bev strikes again. :P


Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on August 03, 2012, 11:43:44 AM
Quote from: Assemblyman & Queen Mum Inks.LWC
I never said no Republicans were.

And to be fair, the law doesn't ban the predictions from being made.  

Good to know. Maybe in the next election they should use this slogan: "Republicans: not as bad as the Inquisition".


Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on August 03, 2012, 11:46:40 AM
Quote from: Assemblyman & Queen Mum Inks.LWC
I never said no Republicans were.

And to be fair, the law doesn't ban the predictions from being made.  

Good to know. Maybe in the next election they should use this slogan: "Republicans: not as bad as the Inquisition".

This is nothing close to the Inquisition.


Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on August 03, 2012, 11:58:48 AM
Quote from: Assemblyman & Queen Mum Inks.LWC
I never said no Republicans were.

And to be fair, the law doesn't ban the predictions from being made.  

Good to know. Maybe in the next election they should use this slogan: "Republicans: not as bad as the Inquisition".

This is nothing close to the Inquisition.

But we know to expect Republicans, nobody expects the Inquisition.


Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: Likely Voter on August 03, 2012, 12:24:41 PM
My state of California should do this. I say that they should redefine Earthquakes as "Jesus hugs". And then they can get rid of all that job killing regulation that deny job creators the freedom to chose any building materials they want. 


Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on August 03, 2012, 12:31:18 PM
My state of California should do this. I say that they should redefine Earthquakes as "Jesus hugs". And then they can get rid of all that job killing regulation that deny job creators the freedom to chose any building materials they want. 

Nobody's redefining anything.


Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: opebo on August 03, 2012, 12:41:58 PM
My state of California should do this. I say that they should redefine Earthquakes as "Jesus hugs". And then they can get rid of all that job killing regulation that deny job creators the freedom to chose any building materials they want. 

Nobody's redefining anything.

Well I suppose they're redefining the basis for policy-making - elminating the use of science as a part of this process is an interesting step.


Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: Likely Voter on August 03, 2012, 01:22:18 PM
while a parody the analogy is apt.

Science shows that California is more in danger of experiencing earthquakes than Iowa, and science indicates that more Earthquakes will come based on analyzing historical trends. Therefore California's government has put in many regulations and limits on where and how things are constructed in the state. These regulations increase costs and decrease certain economic opportunities.  

NC is essentially doing the opposite. The USGS and entire world of science is telling NC that they are susceptible to future sea level rising. This finding would therefore therefore force the state to take actions which would cost money and/or opportunity. Instead of dealing with the problem they are choosing to ignore it (or redefine it as not a problem)

Global warming denial has such a great allure because it is the easier thing to do. If we say it isn't happening then we dont have to deal with it.  


Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on August 03, 2012, 02:04:20 PM
My state of California should do this. I say that they should redefine Earthquakes as "Jesus hugs". And then they can get rid of all that job killing regulation that deny job creators the freedom to chose any building materials they want. 

Nobody's redefining anything.

Well I suppose they're redefining the basis for policy-making - elminating the use of science as a part of this process is an interesting step.

1. From my understanding (please correct me if I'm wrong here), but this doesn't actual change the basis for policy-making.  The status quo seems to already be to use climatoligical data.  The bill seems more of a preemptive step.

2. How is using climatological data eliminating the use of science?  Climatology is science...


Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: opebo on August 03, 2012, 02:14:28 PM
2. How is using climatological data eliminating the use of science?  Climatology is science...

Perhaps they've chosen certain aspects of science with which they agree and disallowed other aspects with which they disagree politically.


Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: J. J. on August 03, 2012, 02:24:36 PM
My state of California should do this. I say that they should redefine Earthquakes as "Jesus hugs". And then they can get rid of all that job killing regulation that deny job creators the freedom to chose any building materials they want.  

Hey, the Bishop of Geneva once exorcised a glacier and the Little Ice Age ended, eventually.  ;)

http://geowords.com/histbookpdf/b03.pdf


Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on August 04, 2012, 01:53:23 AM
2. How is using climatological data eliminating the use of science?  Climatology is science...

Perhaps they've chosen certain aspects of science with which they agree and disallowed other aspects with which they disagree politically.

That may be the case with some people (although that'd mean they wouldn't even continue the study), but that's not what you said.  You said they were "eliminating the use of science" as part of the state's process.  And that's 100% false.


Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on August 06, 2012, 02:40:07 PM
Quote from: Assemblyman & Queen Mum Inks.LWC
I never said no Republicans were.

And to be fair, the law doesn't ban the predictions from being made.  

Good to know. Maybe in the next election they should use this slogan: "Republicans: not as bad as the Inquisition".

This is nothing close to the Inquisition.

But we know to expect Republicans, nobody expects the Inquisition.

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Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: old timey villain on August 06, 2012, 05:35:10 PM
Dear Jebus, what has happened to North Carolina??

I was so proud of them in 2008 when they voted for Obama and put in Kay Hagan. Since then it seems like the state has experienced a shocking veer to the right.

1) Bev Purdue has been a complete failure as a governor and has deeply disappointed democrats who voted for. Hey Bev! Last time I checked you're still governor for a few more months, so why not veto this turd of a bill? It's not like you have to worry about reelection.

2) GOP wins control of the legislature in I don't know how many years

3) North Carolinians vote their fears and overwhelmingly approve amendment one, single handedly denying basic rights to same sex couples as well as unmarried couples

4) That dumbass preacher says that gays should be corralled so they can no longer taint the rest of us.

5) and now this

Get it together tarheels

 


Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin on May 11, 2022, 03:00:02 PM
(I'm posting in this decade-old topic for reasons that should be obvious.)

Two North Carolina beach houses collapse into Atlantic Ocean as seen in video (https://news.yahoo.com/two-north-carolina-beach-houses-141304811.html)
Quote
The two homes that collapsed Tuesday marked the third time a house was taken under by the surf. A Rodanthe house collapsed in similar fashion in February. A public meeting in March hosted by the National Park Service noted that up to nine additional homes in the area were on the verge of collapsing as a result of more than a decade of erosion on the shoreline.


Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: T'Chenka on May 11, 2022, 03:08:47 PM
Actions have consequences. Republicans are more interested in lining their pockets and then making excuses for why they didn't act after the fact. Blood on their hands... this is only the beginning.


Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: jamestroll on May 11, 2022, 03:14:28 PM
Ridiculous.  We must follow the science on climate change. Even if it is news people do not want to hear.


Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: jojoju1998 on May 11, 2022, 03:38:52 PM
So much freedom.


Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: Schiff for Senate on May 11, 2022, 04:23:09 PM
Actions have consequences. Republicans are more interested in lining their pockets and then making excuses for why they didn't act after the fact. Blood on their hands... this is only the beginning.

I agree but I'm going to be fair and blame Perdue for this too. This law was insane (literally like the phrase "Don't look up" for the eponymous movie), but blood is also on the hands of Bev Perdue for not vetoing this (though in all fairness, it's not just acknowleding facts - it's then doing something about it, which I doubt the NC Legislature would've done anyway). This is absolutely disgusting - deliberately closing your eyes to science and logic for $$$ - but there's no reason to give Perdue a free pass on this, whatsoever. She could've vetoed it and she did not.

But yeah this is sickening and NC's 2012 law (wasn't aware of it till now) was massive, massive HP. If only they'd held off until say 2017 - massive FF and BASED left-winger Roy Cooper would have most certainly vetoed this nonsense, because he's not spineless like Perdue.


Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: T'Chenka on May 11, 2022, 05:24:54 PM
Actions have consequences. Republicans are more interested in lining their pockets and then making excuses for why they didn't act after the fact. Blood on their hands... this is only the beginning.

I agree but I'm going to be fair and blame Perdue for this too. This law was insane (literally like the phrase "Don't look up" for the eponymous movie), but blood is also on the hands of Bev Perdue for not vetoing this (though in all fairness, it's not just acknowleding facts - it's then doing something about it, which I doubt the NC Legislature would've done anyway). This is absolutely disgusting - deliberately closing your eyes to science and logic for $$$ - but there's no reason to give Perdue a free pass on this, whatsoever. She could've vetoed it and she did not.

But yeah this is sickening and NC's 2012 law (wasn't aware of it till now) was massive, massive HP. If only they'd held off until say 2017 - massive FF and BASED left-winger Roy Cooper would have most certainly vetoed this nonsense, because he's not spineless like Perdue.
Yeah, fair.
Dems certainly have blood on their hands too... it's just less blood in most cases.


Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: emailking on May 11, 2022, 05:43:24 PM
Link is broken.


Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: T'Chenka on May 11, 2022, 05:44:19 PM
The thread is more than 9.5 years old. It's understandable.


Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on May 11, 2022, 05:46:49 PM
Ah, remember when Stephen Colbert was worth watching? Good old days...


Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin on May 11, 2022, 09:35:54 PM
The thread is more than 9.5 years old. It's understandable.

Here are some relevant working links:

New Law in North Carolina Bans Latest Scientific Predictions of Sea-Level Rise (https://abcnews.go.com/US/north-carolina-bans-latest-science-rising-sea-level/story?id=16913782)(2012), and
North Carolina Literally Passed Laws Against Science on Sea-Level Rises (https://www.sciencealert.com/you-can-t-outlaw-hurricanes-how-north-carolina-turned-its-back-climate-change-bill-hb-819-nc-20-florence)(2018)


Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: Schiff for Senate on May 12, 2022, 12:43:33 AM
Actions have consequences. Republicans are more interested in lining their pockets and then making excuses for why they didn't act after the fact. Blood on their hands... this is only the beginning.

I agree but I'm going to be fair and blame Perdue for this too. This law was insane (literally like the phrase "Don't look up" for the eponymous movie), but blood is also on the hands of Bev Perdue for not vetoing this (though in all fairness, it's not just acknowleding facts - it's then doing something about it, which I doubt the NC Legislature would've done anyway). This is absolutely disgusting - deliberately closing your eyes to science and logic for $$$ - but there's no reason to give Perdue a free pass on this, whatsoever. She could've vetoed it and she did not.

But yeah this is sickening and NC's 2012 law (wasn't aware of it till now) was massive, massive HP. If only they'd held off until say 2017 - massive FF and BASED left-winger Roy Cooper would have most certainly vetoed this nonsense, because he's not spineless like Perdue.
Yeah, fair.
Dems certainly have blood on their hands too... it's just less blood in most cases.

Democrats (even in 2012) are usually so much more sensible and rational about the environment, and that's what makes Perdue letting this happen (even in 2012) so perplexing and disappointing to me.


Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: Hammy on May 12, 2022, 02:45:32 AM
Why are Republicans so terrified of facts?


Title: Re: New North Carolina Law BANS Scientific Predictions of Sea Level Rise.
Post by: President Punxsutawney Phil on May 12, 2022, 02:50:34 AM
What a ludicrous law.
Hopefully the next Dem trifecta can repeal this law.