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Title: How would you have voted: UK leadership elections
Post by: Peter the Lefty on August 07, 2012, 06:04:43 pm
All right, I've had this idea for a while for a "How would you have voted" thread where instead of in national or state/provincial election, we could have a thread where in a given country and you were a member of the party with which you most sympathized, how would you have voted in its leadership and deputy leadership elections?  Here's a UK edition.  And yes, you can change your hypothetical party affiliation at a given date (ex. voting in all Labour leadership elections up to and including 1994, leaving the Labour Party and switching to the Lib Dems around 2003, and voting in all Lib Dem leadership elections after that.  Just be sure to say why).  As is to be expected of me, I'd be Labour.  
How I would have voted in leadership elections if I were a Labour member:
1922: Ramsay MacDonald
1935: Clement Atlee
1955: Arthur Bevan
1960: Hugh Gaitskill
1961: Hugh Gaitskill
1963: Harold Wilson
1976: Tony Benn first ballot (he was much more moderate as a cabinet minister than he later was)/James Callaghan on the other ballots
1980: Dennis Healey
1983: Neil Kinnock
1988: Neil Kinnock
1992: John Smith
1994: Tony Blair
2007: Gordon Brown
2010: Diane Abbot as a display of rage against New Labour in the first round, though I wouldn't have voted for her if she seemed to have a chance of winning/Ed Miliband in the other rounds.  

Deputy leadership elections:
1981: Dennis Healey
1988: Roy Hattersley
1992: Margaret Beckett
1994: John Prescott
2007: Jon Cruddas/Harriet Harman in final round.  

So pick a party (which you can change) and state your hypothetical votes.  If this is a success, I just might do a Canadian edition.  


Title: Re: How would you have voted: UK leadership elections
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 07, 2012, 06:08:27 pm
1975: Margaret Thatcher
1989: Margaret Thatcher
1990: Margaret Thatcher/John Major
1995: John Redwood
1997: Michael Portillo
2001: Michael Portillo
2003: Michael Howard
2005: David Davis


Title: Re: How would you have voted: UK leadership elections
Post by: Supersonic on August 07, 2012, 06:19:53 pm
Labour:

1922: Ramsay MacDonald
1935: Clement Atlee
1955: Hugh Gaitskill
1960: Hugh Gaitskill
1961: Hugh Gaitskill
1963: George Brown
1976: Roy Jenkins
1980: Dennis Healey
1983: Roy Hattersly
1988: Neil Kinnock (no real contest)
1992: Bryan Gould
1994: Tony Blair
2007: Gordon Brown (no real contest)
2010: David Milliband

Conservative

1965: Reginald Maudling
1975: Margaret Thatcher
1989: Margaret Thatcher
1990: John Major
1995: John Major
1997: William Hague
2001: Michael Portillo. IDS in the run off. (I'm not voting for the Liberal, Clarke)
2003: Michael Howard (no real contest)
2005: Liam Fox. David Davis in the run off.

No one cares about the Liberals, so I won't do them. :P


Title: Re: How would you have voted: UK leadership elections
Post by: Phony Moderate on August 08, 2012, 02:44:54 am
Labour:

1922: In hindsight, Clynes. At the time, probably MacDonald
1935: Attlee
1955: Bevan
1960: Wilson
1961: Greenwood
1963: Wilson, Wilson
1976: Benn, Foot, Foot
1980: Foot, Foot
1983: Hmmm....probably Kinnock at the time, but Heffer in hindsight.
1988: Benn
1992: Smith
1994: Could have voted for Blair without hindsight....the Tories had been in power for fifteen years and (like most Labourites) I would have been pretty desperate to get them out. Beckett with hindsight though.
2007: Brown - but McDonnell if he had got onto the ballot
2010: Ed Miliband, Abbott, Burnham, David Miliband, Balls would have been my preference list.

Deputy leadership elections:

1981: Benn, Benn
1988: Heffer
1992: Gould
1994: Beckett
2007: Pretty difficult this one, but my preference would have probably been: Cruddas, Benn, Johnson, Harman, Hain, Blears  

Conservative:

Imagining myself as a Tory for this....

1965: Maudling
1975: Heath, Prior
1989: Meyer
1990: Heseltine, Heseltine
1995: Major
1997: Clarke, Clarke, Clarke
2001: Clarke, Clarke, Clarke, Clarke
2003: Howard
2005: Clarke, Cameron, Cameron

Liberal/SDP/Alliance/Liberal Democrats etc:

1967: Lubbock
1976: Steel
1982: Jenkins
1988: Ashdown
1999: Preference list: Ballard, Kennedy, Hughes, Rendel, Bruce
2006: Another preference list: Hughes, Campbell, Huhne
2007: Huhne


Title: Re: How would you have voted: UK leadership elections
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on August 08, 2012, 07:06:13 am
Remember that ordinary Labour members could not vote in leadership elections until the leadership election of 1983, that ordinary Tory members could not until the leadership election of 2001 and that ordinary Liberal members couldn't until the leadership election of 1976 (I think. I'm not entirely familiar with how the electoral college they used then actually worked). So your hypothetical as to be as a hypothetical Member of Parliament which makes things different.


Title: Re: How would you have voted: UK leadership elections
Post by: Rhodie on August 08, 2012, 07:17:18 am
Conservative:

1965: Enoch Powell
1975: Margaret Thatcher/Margaret Thatcher
1989: Margaret Thatcher
1990: Margaret Thatcher/John Major
1995: John Redwood
1997: Michael Howard/John Redwood/William Hague
2001: David Davis/Kenneth Clarke
2005: Liam Fox/David Davis


Title: Re: How would you have voted: UK leadership elections
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 09, 2012, 07:44:08 pm
Labour
1922 - Ramsay MacDonald
1935 - Clement Attlee
1955 - Aneurin Bevan
1960 - Harold Wilson
1961 - Hugh Gaitskell
1963 - Harold Wilson
1976 - Jim Callaghan
1980 - Denis Healey
1983 - Neil Kinnock
1988 - Neil Kinnock
1992 - John Smith
1994 - Tony Blair
2007 - Gordon Brown
2010 - David Miliband (My actual preferences were: 1 - David Miliband, 2 - Ed Miliband, 3 - Ed Balls, 4 - Diane Abbott, 5 - Andy Burnham. Burnham would be an easy 2 today.)


Title: Re: How would you have voted: UK leadership elections
Post by: TNF on August 10, 2012, 11:27:02 am
Labour Party

1922: Ramsay MacDonald
1935: Clement Attlee
1955: Herbert Morrison
1960: Hugh Gaitskell
1961: Hugh Gaitskell
1963: Jim Callaghan
1976: Jim Callaghan
1980: Denis Healey
1983: Roy Hattersely
1988: Tony Benn
1992: Bryan Gould
1994: John Prescott
2007: Gordon Brown
2010: Ed Milliband


Title: Re: How would you have voted: UK leadership elections
Post by: Dr. Cynic on August 27, 2012, 05:25:04 am
Labour:

1922: John Clynes
1935: Clem Attlee
1955: Hugh Gaitskell
1960: Gaitskell
1961: Gaitskell
1963: James Callaghan, Harold Wilson
1976: Roy Jenkins, James Callaghan, Callaghan
1980: Denis Healey, Healey
1983: Roy Hattersley
1988: Neil Kinnock
1992: John Smith
1994: Tony Blair (probably)
2007: Gordon Brown (Not much of a choice really)
2010: Ed Miliband (Followed by Ed Balls, Andy Burnham, David Miliband and Diane Abbott in order of preference)


Conservative:

Sure, this'll be fun...

1965: Ted Heath
1975: Ted Heath, Jim Prior
1989: Anthony Meyer
1990: Michael Heseltine
1995: John Major
1997: Ken Clarke (all ballots)
2001: Ken Clarke (all ballots)
2003: Michael Howard (Not much choice)
2005: Ken Clarke, David Cameron, Cameron


Liberal/SDP/Alliance/Liberal Democrats etc:

1967: Eric Lubbock
1976: David Steel
1982: David Owen
1988: Paddy Ashdown
1999: Charles Kennedy (Followed by Simon Hughes, David Rendel, Malcolm Bruce and Jackie Ballard)
2006: Chris Huhne (Followed by Hughes and Menzies Campbell)
2007: Chris Huhne


Title: Re: How would you have voted: UK leadership elections
Post by: Peter the Lefty on November 29, 2012, 07:42:39 pm
After a recent (very slight) ideological transformation, let me redo my Labour list:
1922: MacDonald, probably Clynes with hindsight
1935: Attlee
1955: Gaitskell
1960: Gaitskell
1961: Gaitskell
1963: Callaghan first ballot, Wilson second
1976: Callaghan.
1980: Dennis Healy.
1983: Kinnock.
1988: Kinnock. 
1992: Smith. 
1994: Blair, Beckett with hindsight. 
2007: Brown, reluctantly.
2010: Abbot as my display of rage first round, Ed Miliband in the others. 


Title: Re: How would you have voted: UK leadership elections
Post by: k-onmmunist on December 03, 2012, 11:47:05 am
1922: MacDonald
1935: Attlee
1955: Bevan
1960: Wilson
1961: Greenwood
1963: Wilson
1976: Benn/Foot
1980: Foot/Foot
1983: Heffer
1988: Benn
1992: Gould
1994: Beckett
2007: Brown
2010: Abbott (and actually did)


Title: Re: How would you have voted: UK leadership elections
Post by: Phony Moderate on December 24, 2012, 02:29:06 pm
My votes in Tory leadership elections based on who I think would have made the least electorally successful leader:

1965: Powell at the time, probably. No idea how a post-ROB speech Powell leadership would have turned out....don't particularly like to think about it.
1975: Well, certainly Thatcher without hindsight. With....hmmmm....probably one of the minor candidates on the second ballot. Peyton, I suppose.
1989: Thatcher had become rather toxic by this point, so her.
1990: Major lacks charisma, but managed to run a pretty effective campaign in 1992. So probably Hurd on the second ballot. Thatcher on the first.
1995: John Redwood
1997: Peter Lilley
2001: IDS, quite obviously. Sorry Phil.
2003: No real contest
2005: Liam Fox


Title: Re: How would you have voted: UK leadership elections
Post by: Phony Moderate on March 31, 2015, 07:19:57 am
Labour:

1922: MacDonald
1935: Attlee
1955: Bevan
1960: Wilson
1961: Greenwood
1963: Wilson
1976: Foot
1980: Shore, Foot
1983: 1. Shore, 2. Heffer, 3. Kinnock, 4. Hattersley
1988: Benn
1992: Smith
1994: 1. Beckett, 2. Prescott, 3. Blair
2007: Would have nominated McDonnell
2010: 1. Burnham, 2. Ed Miliband, 3. Abbott, 4. Balls, 5. David Miliband
2015: 1. Burnham, 2. Cooper, 3. Creagh, 4. Kendall

Deputy leadership elections: (Wikipedia has added some more since)

1962: Wilson (interesting how the Right was not as concerned about a balanced ticket here as they were in 1981)
1970: Foot
1971: Foot
1972: Foot
1976: Foot ("Will there ever be another deputy leadership ballot without Foot's name on it?" must have been a question at this point :P)
1980: Healey unopposed
1981: 1. Benn, 2. Silkin, 3. Healey
1983: 1. Meacher, 2. Davies, 3. Dunwoody, 4. Hattersley
1988: 1. Heffer, 2. Prescott, 3. Hattersley
1992: 1. Prescott (this is where he belongs), 2. Beckett, 3. Gould
1994: Prescott
2007: 1. Hain, 2. Johnson, 3. Cruddas, 4. Benn, 5. Harman, 6. Blears
2015: 1. Creasy, 2. Watson, 3. Eagle, 4. Bradshaw, 5. Flint

Conservative:

Imagining myself as a Tory for this....

1965: Maudling
1975: Heath, Whitelaw
1989: Meyer
1990: Heseltine, Hurd
1995: Major
1997: Clarke
2001: Portillo until he got eliminated, Clarke in the final round
2003: Howard unopposed
2005: Davis

Liberal/SDP/Alliance/Liberal Democrats etc:

1967: Lubbock
1976: Steel
1982: Jenkins
1988: Ashdown
1999: Preference list: Ballard, Kennedy, Hughes, Rendel, Bruce
2006: Another preference list: Hughes, Campbell, Huhne
2007: Huhne
2015: Farron

Added the in-progress contests.


Title: Re: How would you have voted: UK leadership elections
Post by: TNF on April 03, 2015, 02:50:06 pm
Labour Party
1922: John Clynes
1935: Clement Attlee
1955: Aneurin Bevan
1960: Harold Wilson
1961: Anthony Greenwood
1963: Harold Wilson
1976: Tony Benn, Michael Foot
1980: Michael Foot
1983: Eric Heffer
1988: Tony Benn
1992: Bryan Gould
1994: Margaret Beckett
2007: Abstain
2010: Diane Abbott


Title: Re: How would you have voted: UK leadership elections
Post by: rpryor03 on April 03, 2015, 02:56:56 pm
Conservative Party
1965: Ed Heath
1975: Thatcher
1989: Thatcher
1990: Heseltine
1995: Major
1997: Clarke
2001: Clarke
2005: Howard
2005: Clarke, Cameron


Title: Re: How would you have voted: UK leadership elections
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on April 04, 2015, 05:18:24 pm
1922: John Clynes

It's a surprising fact given what happened nine years later, but J.R. Clynes was actually the candidate of the Right, and MacDonald the de facto candidate of the Left.


Title: Re: How would you have voted: UK leadership elections
Post by: Blair on April 06, 2015, 09:14:12 am
Only gonna do it for the past 3 labour elections, since despite being a shameless hack my party knowledge is awful beyond the basics.

1994- Tony Blair, not much explanation needed. A charismatic modernizer who had the ability to beat the Tories after 18 years.

2007- Would have reluctantly voted for Brown, after he did his best to damage Blair I didn't have high regards for him.

2010-Now this is the difficult one, if I voted with my current views, knowledge etc I would of voted for Ed, without a doubt. He's the most powerful, passion and intelligence leader of the opposition since Atlee. However if I voted with my 2010 views in mind I would have rather shamelessly voted for David, the robotic brother


Title: Re: How would you have voted: UK leadership elections
Post by: Clyde1998 on April 11, 2015, 04:11:24 pm
For the SNP:
1969 - Wolfe
1979 - Wilson
1990 - Ewing
2000 - Swinney
2003 - Swinney
2004 - Salmond
2014 - Sturgeon (as she was the only candidate)


Title: Re: How would you have voted: UK leadership elections
Post by: Phony Moderate on April 11, 2015, 06:22:38 pm
There is no ballot when there is only one candidate.


Title: Re: How would you have voted: UK leadership elections
Post by: Clyde1998 on April 12, 2015, 07:13:18 am
There is no ballot when there is only one candidate.
I know - but it's for future reference more than anything. I would've voted Sturgeon regardless of who she was up against though.


Title: Re: How would you have voted: UK leadership elections
Post by: Jerseyrules on April 20, 2015, 08:19:36 pm
Conservative

1965: Reginald Maudling
1975: Margaret Thatcher
1989: Margaret Thatcher
1990: John Major
1995: John Major
1997: William Hague
2001: Michael Portillo. IDS in the run off.
2003: Michael Howard
2005: David Cameron


Title: Re: How would you have voted: UK leadership elections
Post by: AelroseB on June 17, 2015, 06:09:45 am
Conservative Party

1965:  Enoch Powell

Then I would have later joined Powell in leaving the Conservatives, albeit as an independent. 


Title: Re: How would you have voted: UK leadership elections
Post by: Lumine on June 27, 2015, 05:31:47 pm
Conservative:

1965: Edward Heath
1975: Edward Heath
1989: Abstain
1990: Michael Heseltine
1995: John Major
1997: Kenneth Clarke
2001: Kenneth Clarke or Michael Portillo
2003: Michael Howard
2005: David Cameron


Title: Re: How would you have voted: UK leadership elections
Post by: Derpist on April 04, 2016, 11:28:42 pm
Conservative
1965: Enoch Powell
1975: Jim Prior
1989: Margaret Thatcher
1995: John Redwood
1997: John Redwood
2001: David Davis
2005: David Davis

Labour
1922: Ramsay MacDonald
1935: Herbert Morrison
1955: Herbert Morrison
1960: Hugh Gaitskell
1961: Hugh Gaitskell
1963: James Callaghan
1976: Tony Benn
1980: Michael Foot
1983: Eric Heffer
1988: Tony Benn
1992: Bryan Gould
1994: Abstain
2010: Abstain
2015: Jeremy Corbyn


Title: Re: How would you have voted: UK leadership elections
Post by: Kingpoleon on April 17, 2016, 07:54:47 pm
Liberal Democrats:
1999: Bruce, Hughes, Kennedy
2006: Hughes, Huhne, Campbell
2007: Clegg
2015: Lamb

I think I would have backed Mulholland had he chosen to run in 2015, though.

Conservative(recent only):
1997: Howard, Clarke, Hague
2001: Portillo, Clarke, Smith
2003: Howard
2005: Cameron


Title: Re: How would you have voted: UK leadership elections
Post by: Lechasseur on February 19, 2017, 05:29:56 pm
Conservative Party Leadership Elections:
1965: Enoch Powell
1975: Margaret Thatcher
1989: Margaret Thatcher
1990: Margaret Thatcher/John Major
1995: John Major
1997: Michael Howard/William Hague
2001: Ian Duncan-Smith
2003: Michael Howard
2005: Liam Fox/David Davis
2016: Liam Fox/Michael Gove/Andrea Leadsom


Title: Re: How would you have voted: UK leadership elections
Post by: brucejoel99 on February 20, 2017, 09:27:46 am
Labour:
1976: Jim Callaghan
1980: Denis Healey
1983: Neil Kinnock
1988: Neil Kinnock
1992: John Smith
1994: Tony Blair
2007: Gordon Brown
2010: David Miliband
2015: Yvette Cooper
2016: Owen Smith

Conservatives:
1975: Margaret Thatcher
1989: Margaret Thatcher
1990: Margaret Thatcher/John Major
1995: John Major
1997: William Hague
2001: Ken Clarke
2003: Michael Howard
2005: David Cameron
2016: Theresa May


Title: Re: How would you have voted: UK leadership elections
Post by: Intell on February 24, 2017, 05:34:04 am
Labour Party

1922: Ramsay MacDonald
1935: Clement Atlee
1955: Aneurin Bevan
1960: Harold Wilson
1961: Anthony Greenwood
1963: Harold Wilson
1976: 1. Crossland 2. Callaghan
1980: 1. Shore 2. Foot
1983: 1. Shore 2. Kinnock
1988: Neil Kinnock
1992: John Smith
1994: John Prescott
2007: Gordon Brown (For Nomination)
2010: 1. Burnham 2. Balls 3. Ed Millibrand
2015: Andy Burnham
2016: Abstain




Title: Re: How would you have voted: UK leadership elections
Post by: Phony Moderate on March 05, 2017, 11:17:17 pm
Doing it again, with brief comments:

1922: Ramsay Mac - the anti-WWI candidate
1935: Attlee, obviously. As if I'd vote for Mandy's grandad or a pre-war George Brown.
1955: Nye, although I quite like Gaitskell in some ways.
1960: Wilson, if mostly for factional reasons
1961: Greenwood, ditto.
1963: Wilson. George Brown as Labour leader...I mean if you think Corbyn is doing a bad job.......
1976: The go-to "look at how there were more heavyweights in the old days of politics!" leadership election. Probably Foot, definitely not Woy.
1980: Shore, then Foot. Quite like Healey though.
1983: Maybe something like 1. Heffer, 2. Shore, 3. Hattersley, 4. Kinnock out of bitterness.
1988: Benn, definitely.
1992: Probably a sympathy vote for the oddball Gould.
1994: Prescott, Beckett, Blair. Quite easy.
2007: Johnny Mac had he been nominated. But I was glad that Blair was finally gone. Meacher actually attempted a run here btw; must be the British equivalent of Gene McCarthy 1992.
2010: Supported Abbott at the time, but in hindsight it would have been 1. Burnham, 2. Balls, 3. E Miliband, 4. Abbott, 5. D Miliband.
2015: Actual vote was 1. Corbyn, 2. Burnham, 3. Cooper, 4. Kendall.
2016: Actual vote went to Corbyn, would rather he'd have stepped aside in favour of Johnny Mac though (but that wasn't really an option).