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Title: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: CatoMinor on August 08, 2012, 11:07:58 AM Quote PARIS — The call to Vincent Grandil’s Paris law firm began like many others that have rolled in recently. On the line was the well-paid chief executive of one of France’s most profitable companies, and he was feeling nervous. President François Hollande is vowing to impose a 75 percent tax on the portion of anyone’s income above a million euros ($1.24 million) a year. “Should I be preparing to leave the country?” the executive asked Mr. Grandil. The lawyer’s counsel: Wait and see. For now, at least. “We’re getting a lot of calls from high earners who are asking whether they should get out of France,” said Mr. Grandil, a partner at Altexis, which specializes in tax matters for corporations and the wealthy. “Even young, dynamic people pulling in 200,000 euros are wondering whether to remain in a country where making money is not considered a good thing.” http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/08/business/global/frances-les-riches-vow-to-leave-if-75-tax-rate-is-passed.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&hpw&adxnnlx=1344438033-SD7YkmMT4TTd3KFVDWBoqw lol French... Title: Re: Hollande's porposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Rhodie on August 08, 2012, 11:16:20 AM Good on 'em.
Title: Re: Hollande's porposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Grumpier Than Uncle Joe on August 08, 2012, 11:25:40 AM Remind me to be surprised.
Title: Re: Hollande's porposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: ZuWo on August 08, 2012, 12:34:36 PM This looks like economic suicide, but I'm not really surprised. If this comes true, I expect more wealthy French citizens to move to countries with a lower tax burden (e.g. Switzerland).
Title: Re: Hollande's porposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on August 08, 2012, 12:43:12 PM 'may'
Title: Re: Hollande's porposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 08, 2012, 01:12:12 PM When a sovereign government takes a policy decision, good or bad, and the concerned citizens find a morally dubious way to circumvent decision, what is the reaction of the media and commentators ? They express contempt toward the assholes ? No way ! They poke fun at said government.
World is a sad place. Title: Re: Hollande's porposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Rhodie on August 08, 2012, 01:15:21 PM When a sovereign government takes a policy decision, good or bad, and the concerned citizens find a morally dubious way to circumvent decision, what is the reaction of the media and commentators ? They express contempt toward the assholes ? No way ! They poke fun at said government. World is a sad place. Or maybe the government is deploying ridiculously outdated socialist ideologies. These people are not assholes. Would you be happy if a 75% tax were levied on your earnings? Title: Re: Hollande's porposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Dereich on August 08, 2012, 01:44:28 PM When a sovereign government takes a policy decision, good or bad, and the concerned citizens find a morally dubious way to circumvent decision, what is the reaction of the media and commentators ? They express contempt toward the assholes ? No way ! They poke fun at said government. World is a sad place. From what you're saying if both the decisions of the government and the citizens are wrong, we should attribute more blame to the citizens. Are you saying we should automatically give the government the benefit of the doubt instead of the citizens? Title: Re: Hollande's porposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 08, 2012, 02:05:11 PM When a sovereign government takes a policy decision, good or bad, and the concerned citizens find a morally dubious way to circumvent decision, what is the reaction of the media and commentators ? They express contempt toward the assholes ? No way ! They poke fun at said government. World is a sad place. Or maybe the government is deploying ridiculously outdated socialist ideologies. These people are not assholes. Would you be happy if a 75% tax were levied on your earnings? If one earns one f**king million and bitches about how much taxes he pays despite the fact that even after paying them he still lives better than 95% of the population, yes, such person is a despicable asshole. When a sovereign government takes a policy decision, good or bad, and the concerned citizens find a morally dubious way to circumvent decision, what is the reaction of the media and commentators ? They express contempt toward the assholes ? No way ! They poke fun at said government. World is a sad place. From what you're saying if both the decisions of the government and the citizens are wrong, we should attribute more blame to the citizens. Are you saying we should automatically give the government the benefit of the doubt instead of the citizens? Since people voted for Hollande, whose program included said tax proposal, just three months ago, it can be said that it's the citizens who took the decision already. What's happening is that a small part of the citizens doesn't like it and strives to circumvent the decision. Title: Re: Hollande's porposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Rhodie on August 08, 2012, 02:10:10 PM When a sovereign government takes a policy decision, good or bad, and the concerned citizens find a morally dubious way to circumvent decision, what is the reaction of the media and commentators ? They express contempt toward the assholes ? No way ! They poke fun at said government. World is a sad place. Or maybe the government is deploying ridiculously outdated socialist ideologies. These people are not assholes. Would you be happy if a 75% tax were levied on your earnings? If one earns one f**king million and bitches about how much taxes he pays despite the fact that even after paying them he still lives better than 95% of the population, yes, such person is a despicable asshole. When a sovereign government takes a policy decision, good or bad, and the concerned citizens find a morally dubious way to circumvent decision, what is the reaction of the media and commentators ? They express contempt toward the assholes ? No way ! They poke fun at said government. World is a sad place. From what you're saying if both the decisions of the government and the citizens are wrong, we should attribute more blame to the citizens. Are you saying we should automatically give the government the benefit of the doubt instead of the citizens? Since people voted for Hollande, whose program included said tax proposal, just three months ago, it can be said that it's the citizens who took the decision already. What's happening is that a small part of the citizens doesn't like it and strives to circumvent the decision. All 51% of them. Well the economies stuffed anyway so its all immaterial really whether they stay or go. But good for the countries they emigrate to. Title: Re: Hollande's porposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on August 08, 2012, 02:11:30 PM Let's highlight this point again. Articles like this have been appearing all over the place for quite a while now. In any case, the impact of this kind of thing tends to be grossly exaggerated, generally for reasons that are hilariously transparent. Title: Re: Hollande's porposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Leftbehind on August 08, 2012, 02:17:11 PM Here's hoping Hollande's the first of several to implement such a tax, with future incoming left-leaning governments eventually doing so.
Title: Re: Hollande's porposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Rhodie on August 08, 2012, 02:21:19 PM Here's hoping Hollande's the first of several to implement such a tax, with future incoming left-leaning governments eventually doing so. Head collides with monitor Title: Re: Hollande's porposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Leftbehind on August 08, 2012, 02:30:38 PM Hope it hurt.
Title: Re: Hollande's porposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: RogueBeaver on August 08, 2012, 02:33:02 PM Somehow I'm not surprised.
Title: Re: Hollande's porposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on August 08, 2012, 02:34:34 PM I don't normally do this but the tone of the thread is so low that... er... the 'r' in 'proposed' is not where you think it is. Every time I see this thread I think of porpoises.
Title: Re: Hollande's porposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Rhodie on August 08, 2012, 02:45:17 PM It's in not as bad a state in as the French economy will be in a years time. Title: Re: Hollande's porposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Foucaulf on August 08, 2012, 02:46:02 PM From the article:
Quote But because there are relatively few people in France whose income would incur such a tax — an estimated 7,000 to 30,000 in a country of 65 million — the gains might contribute but a small fraction of the 33 billion euros in new revenue the government wants to raise next year to help balance the budget. Quantitatively it is not that big of a deal, like most tax hikes these days bar the VAT, so the effect is psychological. I would rather have the average French hate 20000 bankers than 3 million Muslims. Something that isn't immediately obvious is the bias caused by interviewing tax lawyers - of course they benefit from any tax code revision. And they're smart enough to know there's a pool of indebted MBAs who will take any new vacancy. Title: Re: Hollande's porposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: CatoMinor on August 08, 2012, 02:48:21 PM I don't normally do this but the tone of the thread is so low that... er... the 'r' in 'proposed' is not where you think it is. Every time I see this thread I think of porpoises. Thanks, was in a rush when I posted it. Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Lief 🗽 on August 08, 2012, 02:59:42 PM Take away their citizenship, prevent them from returning to the country ever again until they pay the taxes they owe with interest. Problem solved.
Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: memphis on August 08, 2012, 03:08:08 PM Take away their citizenship, prevent them from returning to the country ever again until they pay the taxes they owe with interest. Problem solved. Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: TheDeadFlagBlues on August 08, 2012, 04:21:32 PM I feel like these articles are written anytime a government that's anywhere to the left of center tries to raise taxes. The emigration rare materialises because people aren't "rational" and chose to live where they live based off of non-monetary reasons, especially once they reach a certain luxurious living standard.
Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on August 08, 2012, 04:38:27 PM Haven't they been threatening this for months now?
Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 08, 2012, 05:07:20 PM Most of them will have been avoiding tax to begin with anyway.
Governments should govern for the people who elect them and not the markets who try and rig things in their own favour at the expense of the electorate. Hollande deserves ever commendation for this - it's gutsy and I'd love to see Labour and the German SDP take up the policy. Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on August 08, 2012, 08:29:16 PM Haven't they been threatening this for months now? Oh yes. Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 08, 2012, 08:54:25 PM I'm reminded of a time when this actually happened, back between the wars.
Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 08, 2012, 10:25:08 PM Lol France. We don't need yet another country sinking...unless of course it will sink the European Union with it.
Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: LastVoter on August 09, 2012, 11:57:07 PM Worldwide tax increase, so the rich have nowhere to run.
Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Marokai Backbeat on August 10, 2012, 06:46:39 AM I feel like these articles are written anytime a government that's anywhere to the left of center tries to raise taxes. The emigration rare materialises because people aren't "rational" and chose to live where they live based off of non-monetary reasons, especially once they reach a certain luxurious living standard. No need to "feel" that way, that's exactly what happens in the debate over virtually any tax increase anywhere. Unless it's on the poor, of course. They don't get as many headlines. Odd, that. Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 12, 2012, 12:59:28 PM Worldwide tax increase, so the rich have nowhere to run. Richard Branson's looking into trips to the moon. Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: opebo on August 13, 2012, 11:00:41 AM Take away their citizenship, prevent them from returning to the country ever again until they pay the taxes they owe with interest. Problem solved. Good show! And seize any and all assets they may have in France. As economic terrorists they should be extraditable anyway. Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Rhodie on August 13, 2012, 11:02:36 AM Take away their citizenship, prevent them from returning to the country ever again until they pay the taxes they owe with interest. Problem solved. Good show! And seize any and all assets they may have in France. As economic terrorists they should be extraditable anyway. Uh, economic terrorists? Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: opebo on August 13, 2012, 11:25:06 AM As economic terrorists they should be extraditable anyway. Uh, economic terrorists? Yes, they terrorize the masses into a state of slavery, Rhodie. Far more serious threat than the 'Islamic terrorists'. Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Grumpier Than Uncle Joe on August 13, 2012, 11:59:06 AM As economic terrorists they should be extraditable anyway. Uh, economic terrorists? Yes, they terrorize the masses into a state of slavery, Rhodie. Far more serious threat than the 'Islamic terrorists'. Be patient with him opebo.....he hasn't been here long enough to understand your postings....come to think of it I'm not sure I've been here long enough :P Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: freefair on August 13, 2012, 12:12:42 PM It won't drive more than a few malcontent people out. There are many better reasons to oppose 75% tax, such as reduced incentives, reduction in spending by the rich, the laffer curve (which is correct, but us rightists need to remember that it shows an optimum tax collection rate point, not continuous reduction). 95%, which is the tax rate the Beatles railled againt in "Taxman", is inefficcient, would drive a lot more away, and besides it is just plain immoral. Very Immoral. Its all but a cap on human economic achievement.
Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Rhodie on August 13, 2012, 12:13:01 PM As economic terrorists they should be extraditable anyway. Uh, economic terrorists? Yes, they terrorize the masses into a state of slavery, Rhodie. Far more serious threat than the 'Islamic terrorists'. Are you actually being serious, or is this just a protracted parody of a leftist poster? Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 13, 2012, 12:27:22 PM It won't drive more than a few malcontent people out. There are many better reasons to oppose 75% tax, such as reduced incentives, reduction in spedning by the rich, the laffer curve (which is correct, but us rightists need to remember that it shows an optimum tax collection rate point, not continuous reduction). Thank you. I'm so happy to see there's at least one right-winger displaying a bit of common sense. Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Vosem on August 13, 2012, 12:44:45 PM I'm starting to like this Rhodie fellow.
The tax hikes are awful, of course, but that's what the French get for electing the Socialist Party. Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Marokai Backbeat on August 13, 2012, 01:10:04 PM I'm starting to like this Rhodie fellow. White pride worldwide, Vosem. Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 13, 2012, 02:44:05 PM besides it is just plain immoral. Very Immoral. In your opinion. Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: opebo on August 13, 2012, 04:07:08 PM ...they terrorize the masses into a state of slavery, Rhodie. Far more serious threat than the 'Islamic terrorists'. Are you actually being serious, or is this just a protracted parody of a leftist poster? Of course. My politics are best summed up by the image of the guillotine. Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: All Along The Watchtower on August 13, 2012, 04:09:39 PM opebo is both a FF and a HP, and there's no contradiction there.
Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Vosem on August 13, 2012, 05:02:36 PM I'm starting to like this Rhodie fellow. White pride worldwide, Vosem. If that's the case I take it back. Could you provide me a link? ...they terrorize the masses into a state of slavery, Rhodie. Far more serious threat than the 'Islamic terrorists'. Are you actually being serious, or is this just a protracted parody of a leftist poster? Of course. My politics are best summed up by the image of the guillotine. That's even more true than you think (considering your habit of advocating policies that would benefit no one at all and hurt everyone, merely to different extents). Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Rhodie on August 14, 2012, 10:24:12 AM I'm starting to like this Rhodie fellow. White pride worldwide, Vosem. Funny!!!! That post was not a racist post, and I will repeat that every time it is brought up. Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: opebo on August 14, 2012, 10:37:31 AM That's even more true than you think (considering your habit of advocating policies that would benefit no one at all and hurt everyone, merely to different extents). Actually buddy, in practice I have always advocated the moderate compromise of Social Democracy, at least Keynesian, perhaps Fabian at best. I only mention the guillotine to remind the ruling class why such a compromise has some potential benefit for them. Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Vosem on August 14, 2012, 11:53:44 AM That's even more true than you think (considering your habit of advocating policies that would benefit no one at all and hurt everyone, merely to different extents). Actually buddy, in practice I have always advocated the moderate compromise of Social Democracy, at least Keynesian, perhaps Fabian at best. I only mention the guillotine to remind the ruling class why such a compromise has some potential benefit for them. I think you'll agree with me in saying that the idea of a Revolution in the US or most other Western countries is 'beyond the horizon', that is, very obviously not happening any time soon, and that they have no reason to fear the guillotine. Thus such a compromise has no potential benefit for your largely-imaginary 'ruling class'. I'm starting to like this Rhodie fellow. White pride worldwide, Vosem. Funny!!!! That post was not a racist post, and I will repeat that every time it is brought up. Could I see the post and judge for myself? I'm curious. Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: opebo on August 14, 2012, 12:20:24 PM I think you'll agree with me in saying that the idea of a Revolution in the US or most other Western countries is 'beyond the horizon', that is, very obviously not happening any time soon, and that they have no reason to fear the guillotine. Thus such a compromise has no potential benefit for ... 'ruling class'. You're quite right! The slaves are well under control, and there is little hope. However in theory it is possible the controllers could be hurt in some way, some day. After all the fact remains that there have been revolutions, and ruling classes have been slaughtered/forced into exile before. Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Vosem on August 14, 2012, 12:26:10 PM I think you'll agree with me in saying that the idea of a Revolution in the US or most other Western countries is 'beyond the horizon', that is, very obviously not happening any time soon, and that they have no reason to fear the guillotine. Thus such a compromise has no potential benefit for ... 'ruling class'. You're quite right! The slaves are well under control, and there is little hope. However in theory it is possible the controllers could be hurt in some way, some day. After all the fact remains that there have been revolutions, and ruling classes have been slaughtered/forced into exile before. Always to be immediately replaced by other ruling classes, which generally treated the People much, much worse than their predecessors. Also, not sure what it has to do with the topic at hand, but for some reason I feel the need to mention that several of my ancestors fought for the Red Army in the Russian Civil War. Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: opebo on August 14, 2012, 12:39:01 PM Always to be immediately replaced by other ruling classes, which generally treated the People much, much worse than their predecessors. So? Rise up and kill them too. The only alternative to slavery is death in battle, more or less. Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Rhodie on August 14, 2012, 12:42:23 PM Always to be immediately replaced by other ruling classes, which generally treated the People much, much worse than their predecessors. So? Rise up and kill them too. The only alternative to slavery is death in battle, more or less. This must be a parody......please! Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Donerail on August 14, 2012, 12:49:13 PM Always to be immediately replaced by other ruling classes, which generally treated the People much, much worse than their predecessors. So? Rise up and kill them too. The only alternative to slavery is death in battle, more or less. This must be a parody......please! That's what I said, but then it turned out that Sean Hannity was actually a real person. Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Rhodie on August 14, 2012, 12:55:44 PM Always to be immediately replaced by other ruling classes, which generally treated the People much, much worse than their predecessors. So? Rise up and kill them too. The only alternative to slavery is death in battle, more or less. This must be a parody......please! That's what I said, but then it turned out that Sean Hannity was actually a real person. True enough. Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian. on August 14, 2012, 02:20:43 PM Eh, opebo grows on you. His views might or might not, but he tends to, at least in a 'horrible person who Atlas Forum could not collectively suspire without' sort of way.
Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Vosem on August 14, 2012, 04:31:59 PM Always to be immediately replaced by other ruling classes, which generally treated the People much, much worse than their predecessors. So? Rise up and kill them too. The only alternative to slavery is death in battle, more or less. First off: other people having more money than you isn't slavery, we've already been over this. And if the second sentence was completely, 100% true in all cases, then what's the f**king point of dying in battle? Eh, opebo grows on you. His views might or might not, but he tends to, at least in a 'horrible person who Atlas Forum could not collectively suspire without' sort of way. It's really remarkable how he does it but others with awful views tend not to. Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: LastVoter on August 14, 2012, 10:09:40 PM I think you'll agree with me in saying that the idea of a Revolution in the US or most other Western countries is 'beyond the horizon', that is, very obviously not happening any time soon, and that they have no reason to fear the guillotine. Thus such a compromise has no potential benefit for ... 'ruling class'. You're quite right! The slaves are well under control, and there is little hope. However in theory it is possible the controllers could be hurt in some way, some day. After all the fact remains that there have been revolutions, and ruling classes have been slaughtered/forced into exile before. Always to be immediately replaced by other ruling classes, which generally treated the People much, much worse than their predecessors. Also, not sure what it has to do with the topic at hand, but for some reason I feel the need to mention that several of my ancestors fought for the Red Army in the Russian Civil War. Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Vosem on August 14, 2012, 11:09:33 PM I think you'll agree with me in saying that the idea of a Revolution in the US or most other Western countries is 'beyond the horizon', that is, very obviously not happening any time soon, and that they have no reason to fear the guillotine. Thus such a compromise has no potential benefit for ... 'ruling class'. You're quite right! The slaves are well under control, and there is little hope. However in theory it is possible the controllers could be hurt in some way, some day. After all the fact remains that there have been revolutions, and ruling classes have been slaughtered/forced into exile before. Always to be immediately replaced by other ruling classes, which generally treated the People much, much worse than their predecessors. Also, not sure what it has to do with the topic at hand, but for some reason I feel the need to mention that several of my ancestors fought for the Red Army in the Russian Civil War. I'd have to agree with you that the Russian Civil War was one of those incidences where the communists were on the side of good, on the basis that communism is better than fascism. Obviously capitalism is much better than any form of communism (I know you disagree with your theory that nobody wanted to leave the USSR). Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: LastVoter on August 15, 2012, 01:10:21 AM I think you'll agree with me in saying that the idea of a Revolution in the US or most other Western countries is 'beyond the horizon', that is, very obviously not happening any time soon, and that they have no reason to fear the guillotine. Thus such a compromise has no potential benefit for ... 'ruling class'. You're quite right! The slaves are well under control, and there is little hope. However in theory it is possible the controllers could be hurt in some way, some day. After all the fact remains that there have been revolutions, and ruling classes have been slaughtered/forced into exile before. Always to be immediately replaced by other ruling classes, which generally treated the People much, much worse than their predecessors. Also, not sure what it has to do with the topic at hand, but for some reason I feel the need to mention that several of my ancestors fought for the Red Army in the Russian Civil War. I'd have to agree with you that the Russian Civil War was one of those incidences where the communists were on the side of good, on the basis that communism is better than fascism. Obviously capitalism is much better than any form of communism (I know you disagree with your theory that nobody wanted to leave the USSR). Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Gustaf on August 15, 2012, 03:06:11 AM The Russian Civil War meant Communism won instead of Social Democracy. There wasn't much of a fascist side involved in it.
Anyway, while high tax rates can make people move, that's not the main reason this is a stupid idea. Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Rhodie on August 15, 2012, 03:16:21 AM I think you'll agree with me in saying that the idea of a Revolution in the US or most other Western countries is 'beyond the horizon', that is, very obviously not happening any time soon, and that they have no reason to fear the guillotine. Thus such a compromise has no potential benefit for ... 'ruling class'. You're quite right! The slaves are well under control, and there is little hope. However in theory it is possible the controllers could be hurt in some way, some day. After all the fact remains that there have been revolutions, and ruling classes have been slaughtered/forced into exile before. Always to be immediately replaced by other ruling classes, which generally treated the People much, much worse than their predecessors. Also, not sure what it has to do with the topic at hand, but for some reason I feel the need to mention that several of my ancestors fought for the Red Army in the Russian Civil War. I'd have to agree with you that the Russian Civil War was one of those incidences where the communists were on the side of good, on the basis that communism is better than fascism. Obviously capitalism is much better than any form of communism (I know you disagree with your theory that nobody wanted to leave the USSR). Except Tsarist Russia wasn't really capitalist. Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Vosem on August 15, 2012, 11:30:19 AM The Russian Civil War meant Communism won instead of Social Democracy. There wasn't much of a fascist side involved in it. Er, the various White groups were all generally fascist to varying degrees. The social democrats in Russia itself generally fought for the Reds before realizing they might have made a mistake (the most famous such realization is the Kronstadt uprising, of course). Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Pingvin on August 15, 2012, 12:08:50 PM alternate timeline without red victory in Russia would be a very bleak one for the world. WHAT DID YOU SAID SAY THIS ONE MORE TIME Title: Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France. Post by: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian. on August 15, 2012, 12:47:34 PM I think you'll agree with me in saying that the idea of a Revolution in the US or most other Western countries is 'beyond the horizon', that is, very obviously not happening any time soon, and that they have no reason to fear the guillotine. Thus such a compromise has no potential benefit for ... 'ruling class'. You're quite right! The slaves are well under control, and there is little hope. However in theory it is possible the controllers could be hurt in some way, some day. After all the fact remains that there have been revolutions, and ruling classes have been slaughtered/forced into exile before. Always to be immediately replaced by other ruling classes, which generally treated the People much, much worse than their predecessors. Also, not sure what it has to do with the topic at hand, but for some reason I feel the need to mention that several of my ancestors fought for the Red Army in the Russian Civil War. I'd have to agree with you that the Russian Civil War was one of those incidences where the communists were on the side of good, on the basis that communism is better than fascism. Obviously capitalism is much better than any form of communism (I know you disagree with your theory that nobody wanted to leave the USSR). Except Tsarist Russia wasn't really capitalist. He might be referring to current capitalist Russia. Which is likely not sufficiently capitalist for many or most Western standards either, but... |