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Election Archive => 2012 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls => Topic started by: Tender Branson on August 17, 2012, 01:04:55 PM



Title: NV-GHY/DSCC: Internal Democratic poll has Obama ahead by 5
Post by: Tender Branson on August 17, 2012, 01:04:55 PM
49-44 Obama

Berkley leads 44-42.

http://images.politico.com/global/2012/08/120816_file_survey_haberman.pdf


Title: Re: NV-GHY/DSCC: Internal Democratic poll has Obama ahead by 5
Post by: Supersonic on August 17, 2012, 01:08:47 PM
If an internal Democratic poll only has the President leading by five in Nevada, surely that isn't exactly good news for him.


Title: Re: NV-GHY/DSCC: Internal Democratic poll has Obama ahead by 5
Post by: Likely Voter on August 17, 2012, 01:09:39 PM
Heller is really taking a beating on his votes for the Ryan budget and Medicare.



Title: Re: NV-GHY/DSCC: Internal Democratic poll has Obama ahead by 5
Post by: Tender Branson on August 17, 2012, 01:10:10 PM
If an internal Democratic poll only has the President leading by five in Nevada, surely that isn't exactly good news for him.

Standard 5% underpolling factor because of the Hispanics and suckish state GOP applies here.

So, Obama+10 in reality.


Title: Re: NV-GHY/DSCC: Internal Democratic poll has Obama ahead by 5
Post by: MorningInAmerica on August 17, 2012, 01:52:55 PM
It's an internal Democratic poll. I'm bettting if it was really Obama +10, they would have reported that.


Title: Re: NV-GHY/DSCC: Internal Democratic poll has Obama ahead by 5
Post by: Tricky Dickie on August 17, 2012, 02:26:30 PM
An internal Democratic Poll huh. Suspicious.


Title: Re: NV-GHY/DSCC: Internal Democratic poll has Obama ahead by 5
Post by: Umengus on August 17, 2012, 04:08:30 PM
party id of the sample: D +4
Cnn exit poll 2008: D +8

nevada Registered voters: D +4

Not a bad poll... Rasmussen gave the same 07/24


Title: Re: NV-GHY/DSCC: Internal Democratic poll has Obama ahead by 5
Post by: Lief 🗽 on August 17, 2012, 04:11:52 PM
The fact that Dems underpoll in Nevada should cancel out the fact that it's a partisan Dem poll, IMO.


Title: Re: NV-GHY/DSCC: Internal Democratic poll has Obama ahead by 5
Post by: ajc0918 on August 17, 2012, 04:33:48 PM
The fact that Dems underpoll in Nevada should cancel out the fact that it's a partisan Dem poll, IMO.

Just wondering, why do dems tend to under poll?


Title: Re: NV-GHY/DSCC: Internal Democratic poll has Obama ahead by 5
Post by: Holmes on August 17, 2012, 04:43:32 PM
The fact that Dems underpoll in Nevada should cancel out the fact that it's a partisan Dem poll, IMO.

Just wondering, why do dems tend to under poll?

Elderly latino voters who speak a small amount of English won't be telling people on the phone who they're voting for.


Title: Re: NV-GHY/DSCC: Internal Democratic poll has Obama ahead by 5
Post by: DrScholl on August 17, 2012, 04:45:46 PM
Romney at the Republican floor again as he is in most polling.


Title: Re: NV-GHY/DSCC: Internal Democratic poll has Obama ahead by 5
Post by: MorningInAmerica on August 17, 2012, 05:03:19 PM
The fact that Dems underpoll in Nevada should cancel out the fact that it's a partisan Dem poll, IMO.

Just wondering, why do dems tend to under poll?

Elderly latino voters who speak a small amount of English won't be telling people on the phone who they're voting for.

Just curious. Any evidence (cites, etc) that Democrats "underpoll" in Nevada? Turnout in Nevada was R+4 in 2004, and as Umengus pointed out, D+8 in 2008. So where are we coming up with this "underpoll" thing (of course, besides your own personal speculation)?


Title: Re: NV-GHY/DSCC: Internal Democratic poll has Obama ahead by 5
Post by: Holmes on August 17, 2012, 05:05:49 PM
The fact that Dems underpoll in Nevada should cancel out the fact that it's a partisan Dem poll, IMO.

Just wondering, why do dems tend to under poll?

Elderly latino voters who speak a small amount of English won't be telling people on the phone who they're voting for.

Just curious. Any evidence (cites, etc) that Democrats "underpoll" in Nevada? Turnout in Nevada was R+4 in 2004, and as Umengus pointed out, D+8 in 2008. So where are we coming up with this "underpoll" thing (of course, besides your own personal speculation)?

/shrug. I know Reid overperforming the polls in 2010 against Angle fueled it, as he had a much better ground game than her. And I'm sure Obama's gonna have a much better ground game than Romney will in Nevada too, so.


Title: Re: NV-GHY/DSCC: Internal Democratic poll has Obama ahead by 5
Post by: NVGonzalez on August 17, 2012, 05:06:09 PM
The fact that Dems underpoll in Nevada should cancel out the fact that it's a partisan Dem poll, IMO.

Just wondering, why do dems tend to under poll?

Elderly latino voters who speak a small amount of English won't be telling people on the phone who they're voting for.

Basically this. Unless they feel very comfortable with the person they are talking to they will not tell. That only happens when they are face to face with someone and that efficiency will double with a fellow Latino. Something I am good with :)


Title: Re: NV-GHY/DSCC: Internal Democratic poll has Obama ahead by 5
Post by: NVGonzalez on August 17, 2012, 05:07:30 PM
The fact that Dems underpoll in Nevada should cancel out the fact that it's a partisan Dem poll, IMO.

Just wondering, why do dems tend to under poll?

Elderly latino voters who speak a small amount of English won't be telling people on the phone who they're voting for.

Just curious. Any evidence (cites, etc) that Democrats "underpoll" in Nevada? Turnout in Nevada was R+4 in 2004, and as Umengus pointed out, D+8 in 2008. So where are we coming up with this "underpoll" thing (of course, besides your own personal speculation)?

/shrug. I know Reid overperforming the polls in 2010 against Angle fueled it, as he had a much better ground game than her. And I'm sure Obama's gonna have a much better ground game than Romney will in Nevada too, so.

The NV GOP is basically non-existent right now and the demographics has had a dramatic shift.


Title: Re: NV-GHY/DSCC: Internal Democratic poll has Obama ahead by 5
Post by: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian. on August 17, 2012, 05:07:43 PM
The fact that Dems underpoll in Nevada should cancel out the fact that it's a partisan Dem poll, IMO.

Just wondering, why do dems tend to under poll?

Elderly latino voters who speak a small amount of English won't be telling people on the phone who they're voting for.

Just curious. Any evidence (cites, etc) that Democrats "underpoll" in Nevada? Turnout in Nevada was R+4 in 2004, and as Umengus pointed out, D+8 in 2008. So where are we coming up with this "underpoll" thing (of course, besides your own personal speculation)?

I would submit that it's not so much underpolling as overperforming due to a very good Democratic political machine in the state, whereas the Republicans there are an absolute shambles.


Title: Re: NV-GHY/DSCC: Internal Democratic poll has Obama ahead by 5
Post by: pikachu on August 17, 2012, 05:10:23 PM
Even though it's an internal, the Senate numbers are giving me more hope for a pick-up now. IIRC, pretty much everything else has shown Heller+3 or something around that so this is a nice surprise...


Title: Re: NV-GHY/DSCC: Internal Democratic poll has Obama ahead by 5
Post by: Lief 🗽 on August 17, 2012, 05:23:11 PM
Just curious. Any evidence (cites, etc) that Democrats "underpoll" in Nevada? Turnout in Nevada was R+4 in 2004, and as Umengus pointed out, D+8 in 2008. So where are we coming up with this "underpoll" thing (of course, besides your own personal speculation)?

Just simple polling analysis.

2010 Senate:
Average of polls a week before election day: R+3.2
Election day result: D+5.74

2010 Governor:
Average of polls a week before election day: R+18.5
Election day result: R+11.75

2008 President:
Average of polls a week before election day: D+7.13
Election day result: D+12.5


Title: Re: NV-GHY/DSCC: Internal Democratic poll has Obama ahead by 5
Post by: opebo on August 17, 2012, 05:31:17 PM
More evidence of a very negative week or so for Obama.  Don't get me wrong, I feel quite confident Nevada will hold, but this drop there means our Republican poster's crowing about Florida, Wisconsin, and Ohio is probably not misplaced at all.


Title: Re: NV-GHY/DSCC: Internal Democratic poll has Obama ahead by 5
Post by: Ben Romney on August 17, 2012, 05:32:31 PM
Hi! What r the crosstabs for this poll`can`t open the link!!


Title: Re: NV-GHY/DSCC: Internal Democratic poll has Obama ahead by 5
Post by: MorningInAmerica on August 17, 2012, 06:52:20 PM
Hi! What r the crosstabs for this poll`can`t open the link!!

Unfortunately, you're not missing anything. The link doesn't provide any crosstabs...http://images.politico.com/global/2012/08/120816_file_survey_haberman.pdf ...which always causes my eyebrows to raise.


Title: Re: NV-GHY/DSCC: Internal Democratic poll has Obama ahead by 5
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on August 17, 2012, 07:39:39 PM
Nevada is just outside the toss-up column, though given the poor economy in the state, it's probably one that Romney is stupidly letting Obama keep.


Title: Re: NV-GHY/DSCC: Internal Democratic poll has Obama ahead by 5
Post by: MaxQue on August 17, 2012, 11:42:27 PM
Hi! What r the crosstabs for this poll`can`t open the link!!

Unfortunately, you're not missing anything. The link doesn't provide any crosstabs...http://images.politico.com/global/2012/08/120816_file_survey_haberman.pdf ...which always causes my eyebrows to raise.

Well, it's very common for internals.


Title: Re: NV-GHY/DSCC: Internal Democratic poll has Obama ahead by 5
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 18, 2012, 07:01:05 PM
How's Mitt Romney not winning here? His dad was hispanic!


Title: Re: NV-GHY/DSCC: Internal Democratic poll has Obama ahead by 5
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 18, 2012, 07:43:55 PM
Does this internal poll include illegals who cannot find work, and therefore have no money to make it back to Mexico? Fair question since we are talking about an internal Democratic poll in Nevada...

Reported.


Title: Re: NV-GHY/DSCC: Internal Democratic poll has Obama ahead by 5
Post by: Politico on August 18, 2012, 08:14:53 PM
Does this internal poll include illegals who cannot find work, and therefore have no money to make it back to Mexico? Fair question since we are talking about an internal Democratic poll in Nevada...

Reported.

A lot of illegals in Nevada are stuck. It's sad but true. That's how bad things are there. The Obama Economy is so bad that illegals are trying to get back to Mexico. Could we have a more significant sign of the troubles facing the nation? The Obama Economy cannot continue.