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Title: The UN: Good or Bad in today's world?
Post by: futurepres on August 21, 2012, 09:14:36 PM
The UN: Good or Bad? And why? I personally am neutral when it comes to the UN.


Title: Re: The UN: Good or Bad in today's world?
Post by: fezzyfestoon on August 22, 2012, 12:18:53 PM
It's definitely good, but severely outdated and underpowered.


Title: Re: The UN: Good or Bad in today's world?
Post by: Person Man on August 23, 2012, 07:54:35 AM
It's definitely good, but severely outdated and underpowered.


Title: Re: The UN: Good or Bad in today's world?
Post by: Dr. Cynic on August 23, 2012, 08:00:48 AM
It's a good thing. Unfortunately, it's almost completely ineffective. Nobody seems to want to be a part of a team. Many of these nations, they don't wanna be part of a team. People not wanting to work together, they just wanna work for their own self-interests.


Title: Re: The UN: Good or Bad in today's world?
Post by: Supersonic on August 23, 2012, 04:46:44 PM
A talking shop for dictators and less than admirable regimes. Although the UN's humanitarian efforts are to be respected.

I personally think it's time to entertain John McCain's 'League of Democracies' idea.


Title: Re: The UN: Good or Bad in today's world?
Post by: opebo on August 23, 2012, 05:38:22 PM
A talking shop for dictators and less than admirable regimes.

Yes, USA, UK, etc.


Title: Re: The UN: Good or Bad in today's world?
Post by: Supersonic on August 23, 2012, 05:42:23 PM
A talking shop for dictators and less than admirable regimes.

Yes, USA, UK, etc.

I knew someone was going to say that. :P


Title: Re: The UN: Good or Bad in today's world?
Post by: opebo on August 23, 2012, 05:45:42 PM
A talking shop for dictators and less than admirable regimes.

Yes, USA, UK, etc.

I knew someone was going to say that. :P

Well the fact is that the UN is almost entirely dominated by the US and its allies, and supports the same horrible neoliberal imperialist agenda. 


Title: Re: The UN: Good or Bad in today's world?
Post by: Vosem on August 24, 2012, 03:42:04 PM
A talking shop for dictators and less than admirable regimes.

Yes, USA, UK, etc.

I knew someone was going to say that. :P

Well the fact is that the UN is almost entirely dominated by the US and its allies, and supports the same horrible neoliberal imperialist agenda. 

On the contrary, I don't like the UN for the opposite reason. I'm not sure which to vote for -- I think it should be scaled back, but we shouldn't do away with it entirely.


Title: Re: The UN: Good or Bad in today's world?
Post by: stegosaurus on August 24, 2012, 04:16:00 PM
The UN in an interesting thing. It is completely useless without any authority or the means to enforce its initiatives. Conversely, if the UN were to acquire such authority, we would have an actual, functioning global government - which should be horrifying to virtually everyone on the planet.

I think it should be converted into a humanitarian outfit, as that's the only thing the UN has ever really been good for.


Title: Re: The UN: Good or Bad in today's world?
Post by: SPC on August 25, 2012, 01:15:37 AM
Ineffective at its best, shield for victors' "justice" at its worst.


Title: Re: The UN: Good or Bad in today's world?
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 25, 2012, 03:09:12 AM
People who call the United Nations ineffective clearly don't realize what it is that it actually does.


Title: Re: The UN: Good or Bad in today's world?
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on August 25, 2012, 03:11:23 AM
People who call the United Nations ineffective clearly don't realize what it is that it actually does.


Title: Re: The UN: Good or Bad in today's world?
Post by: morgieb on August 25, 2012, 06:45:18 AM


Title: Re: The UN: Good or Bad in today's world?
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 25, 2012, 01:57:03 PM
It's not perfect, but the world is better with it than it would be without. (same as the EU in some way)


Title: Re: The UN: Good or Bad in today's world?
Post by: Franzl on August 25, 2012, 02:06:34 PM
It's not perfect, but the world is better with it than it would be without. (same as the EU in some way)

This I can agree with. :)


Title: Re: The UN: Good or Bad in today's world?
Post by: Redalgo on August 25, 2012, 03:50:07 PM
It is a good, albeit very flawed. As a world federalist I want something more than the UN though.


Title: Re: The UN: Good or Bad in today's world?
Post by: Oldiesfreak1854 on September 04, 2012, 08:20:42 AM
Either, depending on the situation.


Title: Re: The UN: Good or Bad in today's world?
Post by: Stranger in a strange land on September 28, 2012, 06:10:47 PM
People who call the United Nations ineffective clearly don't realize what it is that it actually does.
A lot more people simply don't realize that the UN is more than just the General Assembly.


Title: Re: The UN: Good or Bad in today's world?
Post by: Goldwater on September 28, 2012, 07:12:01 PM
It's not perfect, but the world is better with it than it would be without. (same as the EU in some way)


Title: Re: The UN: Good or Bad in today's world?
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on September 29, 2012, 01:55:01 PM
It's not perfect, but the world is better with it than it would be without. (same as the EU in some way)

This I can agree with. :)

Wait, you've become pro-EU now ? ???


Title: Re: The UN: Good or Bad in today's world?
Post by: Franzl on September 29, 2012, 03:28:47 PM
It's not perfect, but the world is better with it than it would be without. (same as the EU in some way)

This I can agree with. :)

Wait, you've become pro-EU now ? ???

Depends what you mean. In that I think it's better that it exists? I don't think I ever thought otherwise. (Unless I was trolling a Euro discussion :)) Doesn't mean I like the Euro or support further political union, mind you.


Title: Re: The UN: Good or Bad in today's world?
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on September 29, 2012, 03:48:08 PM
It's not perfect, but the world is better with it than it would be without. (same as the EU in some way)

This I can agree with. :)

Wait, you've become pro-EU now ? ???

Depends what you mean. In that I think it's better that it exists? I don't think I ever thought otherwise. (Unless I was trolling a Euro discussion :)) Doesn't mean I like the Euro or support further political union, mind you.

Ah, OK then. I thought your position was more radical than that.


Title: Re: The UN: Good or Bad in today's world?
Post by: opebo on September 29, 2012, 04:22:27 PM
Well the fact is that the UN is almost entirely dominated by the US and its allies, and supports the same horrible neoliberal imperialist agenda. 

On the contrary, I don't like the UN for the opposite reason.

Yes, which is precisely the main positive point about the U.N. - it angers right-wingers such as yourself who have no understanding of how it works or what it does.



Title: Re: The UN: Good or Bad in today's world?
Post by: Phony Moderate on September 30, 2012, 08:31:40 AM
As a committed internationalist, I say good. If anything I'd favor it playing a bigger role.


Title: Re: The UN: Good or Bad in today's world?
Post by: General White on October 08, 2012, 02:00:46 AM
Ineffective at its best, shield for victors' "justice" at its worst.



Title: Re: The UN: Good or Bad in today's world?
Post by: Cryptic on October 11, 2012, 10:10:37 AM
It's definitely good, but severely outdated and underpowered.


Title: Re: The UN: Good or Bad in today's world?
Post by: DC Al Fine on October 11, 2012, 12:30:52 PM
Generally negative with some bright spots.


Title: Re: The UN: Good or Bad in today's world?
Post by: The Mikado on October 11, 2012, 12:45:19 PM
I don't want to imagine a world without UNICEF or the World Health Organization.  Overwhelmingly good.