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My ideological idol and the greatest Prime Minister to ever grace these isles.

[-insert right wing Tory hackish ramblings here-]

FF

The archetype of evil.

I am actually quite neutral on her. Did quite a few FF things and quite a few HP things.

I'm fonder of Margaret Snatcher.

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Horrible.

Too bad the British didn't lose the Falklands War as doing so would've kept Tory popularity at record lows. With Foot's Labour just as bad off, there was the potential there for Roy Jenkins to become Prime Minister.

Major FF, though the poll tax was a bad idea and the European policy switch should've been done slower and with more intraparty consultation. Also a major political idol of mine.

My views on this matter are well known.

... and probably quite similar to mine.

She destroyed British society, basically.

http://www.isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk (http://www.isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk)

One of the biggest HPs of the century.

HP

http://www.multinationalmonitor.org/mm2004/102004/interview-pollock.html

Sickening website.

The lowest of the low.

And the NHS isn't being 'marketized' anywhere near enough, unfortunately (in reply to greenforest).

A leading steward of the Western World's decline into ravenous, cannibalistic economics and excessive, backwards government.

What's with all the hackish, hateful votes and posts?  Massive FF.

She was the spawn of Satan, therefore some of us don't like her much.

The woman that prevented Britain from sliding into total mediocrity.

Massive FF.

It's worth noting that Thatcher was only really the public face of her ideology; the real thinkers behind it were people such as Keith Joseph and John Gouriet. Not to say that Thatcher wasn't intelligent of course, but she was more of a career politician than anything else.

FF.

Really? One of the 10 biggest? 20? Together with whom? Stalin and Hitler? Amin and Boukassa?

Top twenty would be stretching it, but perhaps we can get her into the top fifty. If only to annoy her more devoted fanboys.

FF

It's her own voice, basically.

FF, duh

Ugh.  Britain is a wreckage just like the US.

We can't all live in the Good Place, opebo. ;)

There's a reason that the public still don't quite trust the Tories, 22 years later and it's because she was a mega-HP.

To be brief.

This.

I'd definitely say supporting Pinochet is lower.

Wormyguy, Pingvin and a few other fellows would disagree, however.

And I do too. Pinochet was...messy, but necessary.

Oh dear God. For a moment I even thought you were a decent poster.

Chile is by far, the most prosperous and most socially just country in South America. Contrary to popular history, Allende was a grade-A, anti-democratic asshole. Of course, Pinochet was too, but at the very least he left the country in decent shape. And you know, actually gave up dictatorship after it clearly obvious Chile wanted his butt out. Something rare among autocrats today (lol Gadaffi, lol Al-Assad). Quite easily the least of many evils. And anyone who argues the contrary is simply ignoring the reality Chile faced.

For all our partisan bickering in America, especially about foreign policy, I have no doubt that both Barack Obama and Mitt Romney would have backed Pinochet. Such is the deliciousness of bipartisanship.

What's amusing about the morally bankrupt and strikingly dishonest arguments used by a certain type of idiot right-winger to defend Pinochet is the fact that the structure is exactly the same as used to be used by a certain type of idiot left-winger to defend the Soviet Union.

Now, shut up, please. Chile may be the justest country in South America, but I'm pretty sure it was because of the "Concertación". I doubt Chile was a just country under Pinochet. I really doubt it. How can you support him? He was a genocide, a fascist. Maybe you are, too? Because, at least, Pingvin doesn't try to hide he's a nazi.

Such a laughably weak defence there, it's not really worth replying to.


No doubt including some if not all of the Tories on here, which is why any outrage from them that people were wishing death on Thatcher rings hollow.

Fascist? Eh, maybe, kind of, not really. Genocide? Are you frigging serious? Do you even know what genocide is? There's a good case for genocide to be made in Guatemala - but Chile? Are you frigging serious?

Massive HP. Neoliberalism is third to only communism and fascism in terms of being a horrible ideology responsible for untold death, deprivation, and destruction.

Oh, come off it.

Is this supposed to be some biting criticism? Try again, bro.

Supporting the Soviet Union as the lesser of two evils? I'm not ashamed to say that I do - in the context of their war with Nazi Germany.

No, it was just abuse. Your argument was so craven and morally and intellectually bankrupt that it did not deserve anything other than abuse.


No, I was pretty clearly referring to the remaining (enthusiastic and orthodox, if a caveat is needed) Western Communists after 1956.

LoL, you don't think Pinochet was a fascist. That probably means YOU are ;)
And genocide? Not at the levels of Hitler or Stalin, but because he didn't had that power. But, yes, a genocide. How can you argue he isn't? What's next? Golden Down aren't nazis, or Franco was elected in consecutive free elections?

Ahahahaha, no. The very fact you've think right-wing authoritarian state and fascist state are equivalent displays a shocking ignorance of what fascism is. Corporatism? Jingoism? The hell you talking about? If anything, the closest ideology to fascism that still survives is Peronism.

Also, state repression is not genocide. Genocide isn't "lol government killed people". Genocide is a terrifying phenomenon, but it's not something that springs up immediately because of a repressive government. The conflation of these two is very ignorant.

You should educate yourself about history before slinging around charges of fascism and other inaccurate polemics.

Genocide is not accurate, but mass murder certainly is. And the fact that that was what he was doing was well known at the time and impossible to deny.

You should also consider educating yourself about history.

Except whereas the right left Chile a prosperous, free nation with fair elections (after Pinochet left), the left left Russia with mass poverty, unemployment, corruption and misery.

Actually this is exactly the sort of bullsh!t argument that Stalinist idiots used to - and the ones still around still do - use to defend their beloved USSR! Stalin, it was/is argued, successfully modernised and industrialised Russia, therefore making everything else basically alright. It is a despicable and dishonest argument, of course, as is yours.

And on that note, this thread is locked. I suppose a thread about Thatcher was likely to turn out like this.