Talk Elections

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cncbOEoQbOg


At least they are showing their true colors.

No, they're booing unconditional Democratic support for Israel, which has to change.

Well, that's a gift.

Nobody cares about the platform.  Why did they end up making such a fuss.

We're idiots. Of course we should've just let the issue go and people would've forgotten about it by tomorrow morning.

I will never understand the rabid support of Israel by both parties. Obama himself should be sympathetic to the Palestinians, Israel treats them like we treated blacks not too long ago.

Yep. Thanks for Florida!

They did not boo God and Jerusalem, they booed inserting language regarding God and affirming Jerusalem as the capital of Israel in the platform.  This thread title is misleading.

The real outrage is the fact that the DNC violated its own rules when the delegates didn't vote the way they wanted them to.

And the majority of Jewish people vote Democrat...boggles my mind.

We're at least bright enough to say, "That isn't the candidate's position."

Because a big part of Jewish culture is about giving back to support the greater good.

The dem convention will help us more than ours did. Nice. 29 electoral votes. Check.

Sounds like collectivism, otherwise I'm not familar.

only dumbs care, krazen.

Hey, I don't unconditionally support everything Israel does. Their stance on settlers for example, is wrongheaded and stupid.

At the same time, I don't understand why people can't accept Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Proclaiming support for an undivided Jerusalem? Probably a bridge too far. But we should definitely accept whatever capital a country designates for itself.

Maybe you can start to realize that a lot of people don't believe in the legitimacy of Israel and naming Jerusalem as its capital gives it legitimacy. If Jews have a problem with this, they can move directly to their "homeland".

the irony of the party of "tolerance" not being tolerant towards God...

How are they not being tolerant towards God?

Well, it is not that big of a disaster.

I found that completely rigged vote funny. And people were charging the Republican conventionw as rigged? They pretty clearly didn't have two-thirds and just ignored it.

Somebody please change the thread title.

Finally, somebody sees the light!

Why do you hate so many Jews?

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I'm not sure which or what they're booing. The first roll call vote seems pretty split. And the noes get louder after ever succeeding vote.

I wouldn't go as far to accuse "Democrats of booing God", but it is undeniable that we do have a party very conflicted on their attitudes to religion and very conflicted on their Israel policy. And the autocratic manner in which the Democrats dealt with the vote inflamed many of the delegates.

Though I do suspect there's been a recent leftward drift of the party on these issues, a drift that may very well worryingly continue.

Calling Florida a lock for Republicans over this is just as dumb as calling Florida a lock for Democrats over Paul Ryan.

I'm sure Fox News will be playing this for months though, so it may have staying power.

I voted against OSama last time and very likely will vote for Romney this time.  I'M thinking of using a write-in vote.

As I pointed out during the RNC, it is common to script these things out.  It is common in most large meetings.  It is fairly common to actually hire a professional parliamentarian to stand there and whisper to the chair what to do when the go off script.  I'd have to take a look at the rules, but a 2/3 vote is usually taken be a standing vote.

One of the deputy parliamentarians at the RNC was actually a Professional Registered Parliamentarian; I don't think the Democrats hired one.  

What happened was a minor problem.

You probably should go ahead and write in who you really want.  Why defy your gut?

Still angry about being thrown out of the RNC? At least they could've let you keep your peanuts..... :(

I saw a fuzzy video of Kay Hagan saying "There is no God."

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/5/8/51da8528-1f39-4da1-9e3a-a4cd5fd70363.jpg

This is going to make talking to relatives who have NY Jew-style beliefs even harder. Thanks, Democrats.

No, but seriously, it's not a campaign-killer, but Republicans are really, really good at taking advantage of bad moments like this, while Democrats suck for some reason. And I wouldn't limit this to Florida (though neither would I overestimate is) -- I keep having to refer back to Gallup to show you people how across-the-board support for Israel really is among the American populace (nobody disputes politicians, but it's just as good in the general population):

http://www.gallup.com/poll/153092/americans-continue-tilt-pro-israel.aspx

Yes, that's right, the path to victory for the Democrats is to deny the existential legitimacy of a nuclear power (and one of the US' closest allies) and imply that their second most loyal constituency should leave the country.

You're disgusting, and I'm horrified that we share the shame religion.

Yes on all points.

This will be played ad nauseum a la "You didn't build that".

And the anti-Israel movement in this country by and large remains a very loud, nasty fringe group that is in the vast minority.

Goes to show far a noble party has fallen. This is clearly no longer the party of my grandma.

So the Republican platform contains far right extremism, but the Democrats quickly change the parts of their platform that Republicans don't like? As for this Jerusalem thing, there are zero embassies in Jerusalem, so declaring that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel is pretty controversial. It sounds like the changes didn't get the required 2/3rds vote. Weren't the conventions about keeping your base happy? Looks like fail there. Obama deserves a negative bounce for this pure idiocy.

Am I the only one here who thinks that having that having a "vote" based literally on who shouts loudest, is crazy? It looks like a game show.

The ayes would have had to be twice as loud as the nays for this to get the required 2/3rds. Of course it didn't get that.

you vote for the anti semetic party and I'm disgusting.

If you want I can cite sources for this whole paragraph)
the fact is that in the 1950's, and 1960's Orthodox Jews used to vote for the democratic party way more then the avg Jew.  Orthodox Jews supported the candidate you supposedly like (Scoop Jackson) way more then the avg Jew did.  Fact is that almost every single democratic congressman who campaigns for the Orthodox vote tries to portray themselves as a Jackson democrat.

A lot of people, but not in the US: http://www.gallup.com/poll/153092/americans-continue-tilt-pro-israel.aspx

I'm bookmarking that page for future linking use.

NY Jew what your doing in this thread is almost like holocaust denial. By comparing ordinary political disagreements with Nazism, you are diminishing the magnitude of how the Nazis were.

I don't care about that, I couldn't possibly take seriously a "vote" conducted in this manner, regardless of the outcome, it inherently discriminates against people whose voice isn't as loud. to have a serious vote they could have an electronic voting system instead.

Lololol because opposing the crusader state you love so much is tantamount to boycotting Jewish businesses and burning down synagogues and murdering innocent people.

You're an idiot.

And for once I agree with danny.  Having a voice vote on such a contentious issue is stupid, and it seems to me like it was simply a case of Villaraigosa hearing what he wanted to hear.

How anybody who really considers themselves progressive can support the Democratic Party is beyond me.

You do realize how crazy that sounds?

it might be in the vast minority in the country but it is a majority of the democrat elite. (at least when added together with the militant atheists )

cool

Hurr yeah that's why the DNC chairwoman denied any ruckus occurred over the al-Quds vote, and why they tried very hard to get that rammed through at the request of Obama.

It is depressing how lockstep both parties are on virtually unconditional support for the Israelis over an even handed approach. Its especially depressing to me that my party is more and more entrenching itself with a state so willing to push the limits of acceptable behavior towards outsiders and which constantly embroils us in unnecessary, unpopular Middle Eastern adventures. It would be nice if there was some kind of neutral organization which could inform the American public of what the conflict is really like, because we all know that current public support for Israel is mostly based on the Holocaust and our recent fights with Muslims. The only thing that really makes me positive about the whole thing is that literally the only way for congress to move is in a pro-Palestinian direction, at least to match the 20% or so of the public who prefer the Palestinians. And its unlikely that the public can move much more pro-Israeli, just because their abuses against the Palestinians far outnumber those Palestinians inflict upon Israel, all of which must seep into the news eventually.

Did I watch the same video as some of the Republicans in this thread?

Any booing was quite clearly in response to the fact that the vote was rigged.

After the Bill Clinton speech no one is ever going to talk about this again.

Interestingly, this now leaves the Republicans as the party with a platform that is less explicitly supportive of Israel in 2012 than in 2008.  The 2008 GOP platform called for the embassy to be moved from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.  The 2012 GOP platform is silent as to the location of the embassy.  I'm not a the biggest fan of Israel, but long as the embassy is moved to the portion of Jerusalem that is within the 1967 borders, I see no reason not to, provided the Israelis pay the cost of building a new embassy. While de jure Israel only has legal claim to to what is within the Resolution 181 borders, pretty much every party in the region has accepted the 1967 borders as the de minimus Israeli territory if there ever is a peace settlement.  The only ones that don't are the ones who reject peace.

In all fairness to Villaraigosa, it can be difficult to judge from a voice vote.  A friend of mine serves as a parliamentarian for an association of blind people.  They take voice votes, but respond "aye" for the yeas and the no vote.  Apparently the noes sound louder.

That said, you are suppose to call for a standing vote on something requiring a 2/3 vote.

Still, really, we elect a person President, not a platform.  If they disagree, so what?  It's the president's decision that is important.


Of course everybody will; it was the second story on NBC.  They shouldn't, but they will.

What looked bad was holding the vote 3 times to try to get the "right" vote.  They should've just done what the GOP did in terms of adopting the change in the rules and passed it knowing they had the votes.  Holding it 3 times just looked rigged (which it was, but I think they would've had 2/3 votes anyway).

anyone want to get this kappo hearing aids
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/05/debbie-wasserman-schultz-platform_n_1859635.html

This thread is so bad it should have stayed at the 2012 Election section.

Krazey and NYJew have really sunk in new lows. Too bad that Stark isn't around anymore. It would've been fun seeing them duking it out in the mud.

Yeah it doesn't take a genius to realize that, but it sure takes a moron to think up the thread title.

The modern Democratic party advocates better education. So it would be wise for you to support it, judging by your posts.

     But since the Democrats are evidently NAZIS, according to our friend here, wouldn't that then make advocating better education a NAZI position? :)

is this your example of "better education"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK3rTUgoQD4

LOL, not being loudly declaring that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel doesn't make you an anti-semite. There isn't a single embassy in Jerusalem. Does that make every other country in the world's government anti-semitic?

The Anti-Democratic Party strikes again. Gross.

Putting aside the Jerusalem issue, why does the Democratic Party feel the need to discriminate against atheists? (I suppose we can consider this a rhetorical question. Sigh.)

I hate to point this out, but the Palestinians are Semites.  :)

This entire thing is stupid on so many levels and everyone is still talking about it.

they may have been booing the process -- it was clear that the fix was in, and Antonio V. felt uncomfortable being in the position he was in.  there was absolutely no way to verify that 2/3 of the people were saying 'yes', and the lady has to walk up and say, essentially, 'just fck it and rip off the band aid, the peons down on the ground will do what they're going to do'...  it was a poorly managed charade.

stop being a hack  -- (forgetting MSM for these purposes), the actual left media in this country is going to talk about it.  Democracy Now led off with it.  of course they have brains so it isn't framed as 'booing God', it's framed as being the coup d'etat that it was.

Another successful coup by the Zionists. Stop complaining NYJEW, you got your people's racist plank in the platform, you should be happy not complaining. If the Democrats were the Nazi party, they would have gotten rid of such filthy pandering long ago - alas, they have not, so shut up.

NY Jew, this has been a long-time problem with your posts, this isn't the first or even the fourth or fifth time you've done something like this and it needs to stop.  The way that you often casually compare anyone you disagree with on any issue even remotely connected to Judaism and/or Israel to "Jews who vote for Nazis", "anti-semites," etc is a disgrace.  It is bad enough when gentiles compare political opponents to the Nazis, but when Jews such as yourself do it, its one of the worst possible insults to the victims of the Holocaust and the many other atrocities that have been committed against the Jewish people throughout our history.  Someone as concerned about the welfare and dignity of the Jewish people as you claim to be would never trivialize the Holocaust and desecrate the memory of its victims the way that you did.  And no, "Soviet rhetoric" is not any better.  The fact that in your mind people who disagree with you on the inclusion of a plank in a party platform are equivalent to a government whose first leader alone killed over 20 million people means that there is something seriously wrong with you.  How about you stop comparing stop comparing people who disagree with you minor and inconsequential political issues to mass murderers.  And if that's too much to manage than just help yourself to a nice glass of shut the **** up!

I'll second that, it's disgusting, much more so than anything the democrats did here.

I am glad there were at least a few people willing to stand up to the Zionists and the religious extremists who want to marginalize atheists.

And being against Zionism (which is harmful to the long term interests of the Jewish people) is not being anti-semitic.

CNN is still talking about this. ::)

Well that and they're well aware that the WASPs don't want them in the country club.

Is this guy a troll or is he serious?

Unfortunately, both.

95% of the countries of the world with a significant Jewish population have turned on the Jews at some point. Zionism exists to allow the Jews to determine their own fate and ensure that mass slaughter of Jewish minorities never happens again.

Not every anti-Zionist is anti-semitic, but to be strongly anti-Zionist means that anti-semitism must not be a big concern.

Okay, first of all, opposing the spattering of the word "god" everywhere doesn't make you an atheist.  It makes you a secularist.  And second, anti-Israel is not anti-Semitic.  That's a ridiculous canard, and I hope you get banned really soon.

These guys would like to have a word with you:

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And in other news...

Allegedly, a DNC delegate walked out over this.

Ah, yes. Neteurei Karta, the radical terrorist-supporting fringe of the Ultra-Orthodox. These guys are a huge problem in Israel. They're the ones who spat on the little girl walking to school for being "immodest".

Essentially the WBC of Israel.

Antisemitism isn't a societal problem, it's a Jewish problem.

But they certainly disprove the "hurrhurr, anti-Israel = anti-Semitic" drivel.

Also, aren't Haredi in Israel...very pro-Israel?

"the most dangerous threat?"  Really?  I find your trolling to be no longer funny, and extremely insulting.

It's to see gems like this that I don't have NY Jew on Ignore. Marvelous work, sir.

Time to start infracting for excessive hyperbole, methinks.

Oh yay, an Israel thread.

Wake me up when we get to a subject I can give two sh[inks] about.

It's quite possible to be Jewish and anti-semitic. Gilad Atzmon, for instance. These people have their own motivation.

Actually, a lot of them are not. They're very "God above everything". They don't support mainstream parties, they don't serve in the military, they sort of have their own little enclaves outside of the main cities. A lot of them have contempt for the on-average secular, moderate, diverse society that is mainstream Israel.

You're right, the ongoing blood vendetta against Jewish existence by a large group of non-Jews is a Jewish problem. And that's why we dealt with it by securing our own country and building a large nuclear arsenal.

This thread is unbelievable.  Apparently not giving a country the capital that it wants is equivalent to murdering all its people.  And apparently if something is undemocratically passed repudiating separation of church and state, and you boo, you boo God.  And frankly, those who voted no weren't necessarily even opposing Jerusalem being the capital of Israel.  Many of them (myself included, had I been there) would have simply opposed the Jerusalem thing because the language in the platform says "undivided capital." Does believing that the Palestinians oughta get a chunk of it too make me a Nazi?

Regardless, anti-Israel != antisemitism.

Many people who oppose the state of Israel on a fundamental level do not want to drive the Jews into the sea or whatever -- they support creating a situation where there are no separation walls, where Jews and Arabs live in peace with one-another and can live and work wherever the heck they want, and have access to running water.

Obviously this thread is one big disaster area and picking out any individual stupid comments seems like a waste of time. And, yet... and yet... it's hard not to comment on this:


What the f[inks]?

Although a cheap laugh is accidentally attached: using the word 'societal' but not being able to spell 'semite'.

Please lock this thread.  I can't take much more, the only way this could be worse is if Libertas and NY Jew started arguing about Israel.

You mean by stealing the land from the native peoples and turning them into refugees...::)

And if Jews are all as tribalistic as you suggest - and they all want to live in Israel - why don't they all just move there?

Point proven.

You can't prove a point you don't have...::)

This is why comments like NY Jew's are so harmful.

Because by claiming everyday Democrats are anti-semitic, it makes it a lot harder to make the point when people actually are being anti-semitic. And there are plenty of anti-semites on the far-left.

Why does this thread exist?

For you, anti-Zionist = anti-semitic.

This is in fact, not true. A lot of Jews are anti-Zionist and that's an important reason why only 37% of Jews worldwide live in Israel.

This may well be the worst thread that I have ever seen on this board.

You know it's bad when it makes it to seven pages.

How does Zionism ensure that mass slaughters of Jewish minorities never happen again? They can only control what happens in Israel, not anywhere else. And considering the way they don't care about what the rest of the world thinks, they make attacks on Jews more likely.

Jews should be living in countries where they are accepted, like the USA. And while the Arabs/Palestinians are definitely crazy, in return the Israelis enact apartheid where Arabs are kept separate and treated as 2nd class citizens, which makes the world turn against them. I just don't see how anyone can look at the situation in Israel and think it makes the Jewish people safer. They should have tried to create a Jewish state in Wyoming, rather than a place that is holy for all the 3 violent religions of the world. Nobody would have even noticed.

And please don't give me the bullsh**t that I don't care about Jewish people. I can understand reality that the Jewish people have basically two options in Israel now. They can appease their neighbors, go back to a smaller size which would work out for the time being but could put them under intense pressure later on. The other option is just killing Arabs without mercy. Neither is going to be good for the Jewish people in the long term. Anyways I would hope they do option 1 and gain political capital with the rest of the world, which would then hopefully ensure Israel's existence into the future.

And just to ramble some more, I don't like the idea of ethno-religious states. It's the same as having a white state or a black state in my mind. It offends my sensibilities. But if the goal was to create safety for the Jewish people...should have done it in Wyoming.

Do you dispute that land was taken from Arabs using terrorist tactics?

Also I would like to point out that if not supporting Israel's policies and the messed up way they got their land means you hate all Jewish people all around the world, the converse would mean that if you support Israel then you are a dirty racist who hates Arabs/Palestinians and would like to get rid of them by violent means?

This thread is terrible and I'm glad I stopped reading it.

I'm not claiming that everyday Democrats are anti-semitic, I'm claiming that majority of democratic delegates (party "elite") are anti-semitic and/or militantly atheist.

Its almost like you tie being atheist to being antisemitic. Believe it or not, it is possible to disagree with Israel and still not hate Jewish people.

yes it is possible to not being antisemitic but theirs a probability around 99.99% of being antisemitic.

Do you hate the Palestinian people? Are you racist against them?

Your schtick has grown tiresome. Go take a pill and calm down.
Or even better, go get some because it's clear that your brain is getting poisoned by the excess of testosterone.

I think he's a Palestinian who decided to troll the forum

What exactly are the requirements for someone to get banned on this forum? I mean, this guy is has got to be trolling on a legendary scale here. I mean, he's slandering an entire party as a Nazi Party for ridiculous reasons.

Can someone translate this post for me?

I second this.  Look, I understand that their are different standards for regulars, but this is ridiculous and NY Jew does this all the time.

So the censorship by left wingers begins

Gonna be honest, NY Jew probably shouldn't be banned for his views, considering he's not really insulting any posters specifically, but he's referring to an ideology.

Gotta wonder, NY Jew, what's your opinion of Dov Hikind? He caucuses with the Democrats after all.

[citation needed]

Why did my awesome thread get shut down in favor of this abortion? 

He's insulted me, by calling me a Nazi collaborator, and by essentially denying that I'm a legitimate Jew.  He's insulted me more than any other poster on this forum, past or present.

This

Someone's trying to get banned! 

So uh, we all saw the Christian prayer at the end of the convention, right?

Fixed.

stop lying I never said that

now let me clear this up
your legitimate Jew (assuming your mother was Jewish) however your opinions on Judaism are not legitimate or worth listening to.  I didn't call you a Nazi collaborator.
here's what I said
let me try it this way
any jew who after this stillvotes for this party unless the person stands out drastically from the party at large (so if you vote for someone like Joe Leiberman (who I strongly don't like) then this statement wouldn't apply)

If you don't like it and don't want to be insulted don't vote NAZI Democrat.  The choice is up to you if I insulted you and even if you choose to vote for the NAZI party it still not a personal attack.

this would be like me insulting robbers and then you robbing someone and accusing me of personally insulting you.

Let me quickly explain something:  just because an analogy involves Nazis doesn't mean you're equating the other part of the analogy with Nazis.  However, when one part of the analogy is static (Jews), and the other part of the analogy involves the "Democratic Party" juxtaposed with the "Nazi Party," your analogy formally says that voting Democratic is alike voting for the Nazis.  I know you meant to say they're both examples of voting against your own interest.  However, that makes an analogy completely pointless, since the other element is static.  It's not an reductio ad absurdum, and it sounds less like you're saying "voting against your own interests is bad!" (you need an analogy to say that?) and more like you're somehow equating the Democratic Party to the Nazi Party.

A moderator agrees wholeheartedly.

I mean that it's like voting for a party that hates you with a passion.  

this is not just voting against your interests.


watching the Left wing (full of anti semites) of the Democratic party over the past few years is like watching in slow motion the Nazi's taking over Germany.

the scary part is the young left wingers drones are even more left wing and anti semetic than the many of the "elites" (the OWS are similar to the Hitler Youth on so many levels)

That certainly seems to be what happened with this thread.

You know, for such a devout Jew who's so quick to see opposition arrayed against him everywhere, you're awfully bad at spelling 'Semitic'.

You know NY Jew is probably the most anti-Semitic poster we have, considering that he hates far more Jews than anyone else I've seen, first there's all his bashing of Jews that aren't Orthodox, and now calling Jews that vote for Democrats as equivalent to Nazi collaborators, which is 3/4 of the Jewish population in America.

can you read


let's see how well they do this time. (based on results not biased polls)

out of curiosity do you also try to convert Muslims or just Jews?

And guess what, Obama's still going to get 3/4 of the Jewish vote this November. I'd bet my whole bank account on it.

I'd encourage anyone who has not accepted Christ to do so, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, atheist, whatever. This also applies to those stuck in legalistic churches that put emphasis not on Jesus but on their own man-made rules or hierarchy. Lots of Christians too are following the same thing that Jesus came to abolish.

and then you would have said we took the Indians land.


1846 population of Jerusalem
Jews 7,515
Muslims 6,100
Christians 3,558

current population of Jerusalem
Jews 497,000
Muslims 281,000
Christians 14,000

You still don't really seem to understand what analogies are for, but based on this post, that's the least of your problems...

if you're that sure you would love this bet
how do you like this?
if Obama gets 75+% of the Jewish vote according to the official polls I'll leave this site and never come back.
if Obama gets less than 75% of the Jewish vote according to the official polls you'll leave this site and never come back.

just because You don't seem to understand what;s analogous in my analogy, doesn't mean I don't understand the point of an analogy. 

I'll try to do this like we did on the thread that was closed down and give a summary of my overall point and then can explain the specifics.
Here's the overall point
Their are many similarities between the democratic party and the early Nazi party (this ranges from the late 20's to mid 30's) in relations to Jews in both tactics of pushing agendas and it's feeling towards Jews.  (there are also many differences so don't start attacking me on that point).  Thus voting for the party would be akin to voting for the Nazi party in the late 20's and Helping put in place a party that has a very strong potential of putting in place very harmful (not just against your own interest like you said but much closer to suicidal) policies that endanger the future of Jewish life in America and Israel.  when I said how about the Soviets it's because I feel that the type of danger coming to the Jewish People from the democratic party is much closer to the type of threat the Soviets used than the Nazi's.  Given the choice of 2 different analogies I admit I used the Nazi one for greater effect but the point holds true with either one.

if the policies and hatred of Jews of the democratic party continues at it's current pace unchecked (this is still a possibility) it very likely there will be no state of Israel (what happens to the Jews who live there most likely will resemble the results of the Nazi's though not by America's hand directly) in ten years to twenty years.  At the same time I expect Jewish policies in this country akin to the USSR (how this would turn out would very drastically depending about which democrat party special interest takes power at the given time)

just think how far the democrat party has sunk from only a Jewish point of view (not exclusive to Israel but most noticeable there) from the days of Scoop Jackson, Hubert Humphrey.  Granted the were always anti semites in the democratic party (Roosevelt, Joe Kennedy) but they weren't disproportionately in one party more then another.  as the party got much more left wing (not talking about economics) the party also got much more Anti Semitic.  Unsurprisingly it seems the GOP got much less anti semetic.  Honestly do you think there any chance that the platform that was rejected by majority of the democratic delegates would have failed to get 25% of the vote even a decade ago (in a public forum).  Even if your naive enough to actually believe that this was voted down due to the Palestinians do you really think that 50%+ of the delegates care about them or God in the platform enough to pass 50% of the delegates.  BYW for some odd ball reason Left Wing Democrats care more about Palestinians than they do about Somalia ext. which even if you believe every single anti Semitic left Wing/Muslim/Arab lie about Israels treatment of the Palestinians is still much worse then what happens there. 

look at this study (I think we can agree this has nothing to do with Israel or any social issue so maybe you might actually take me seriously)
http://bostonreview.net/BR34.3/malhotra_margalit.php
combine this with the fact (speak to Jews who are noticeably Jewish) that as you get more left on the spectrum (once again this is not strictly economically so Ron Paul supporters are often very liberal) the anti semtisim gets much worse in both percentage of people and intensity.  This hard left Democratic party's anti semetisim was already noticed by some back in McGovern's day and has slowly increased as the party got more left wing.   How come relatively speaking the democratic party which officially tries to end all forms of bigotry almost never specifically speaks about anti semtisim despite the fact that it's on the rise more then any other time since the 30's and Jews are the targets of hate crimes per capita (see FBI reports) more then any other group in the country.  but at the same time constantly speaks specifically on the so called (some are-some aren't) ills of Racism, Islamaphobia, Xenophobia, homophobia, Sexisim.  notice the same OWS that is tolerant of almost every single group on the planet has a tremendous amount of Anti Semtisim. 

<- See my current nickname.

Awesome.
Either way, the forum wins.

BRTD hasn't signed the agreement, so I don't think it would be binding on NY Jew either...

Oooh, I hadn't noticed that. That, my friends, is a bannable offense.

Well, we did take the Native American's lands....but for the most part we don't treat them as second class citizens or at least don't mean to. There is an entire health service set up to help them and we don't segregate them into specific areas anymore. They can live wherever they want in America. Palestinians don't get to live where their forefathers did.

fail

the quote I Said was this
I don't think that is "Nazi collaborator"

stop this

Since we're talking about Jerusalem
1846 population of Jerusalem
Jews 7,515
Muslims 6,100
Christians 3,558

since we're talking about Jerusalem,despite the fact I know I'm stupid ignorant ext. but I think I once heard a wise super liberal person say this
7,515 > 6,100



PS how many Indian terrorist attacks have there been in the past decade?

If the Indians were lobbing over rockets into Nashville every single day because they want their country back what would you the USA do?

Ts, ts, ts...
And you lambaste the Democrats for being overly certain. ::)

Meanwhile, Obama confirms he wants to kill Jesus (http://www.theonion.com/articles/obama-help-us-destroy-jesus-and-start-a-new-age-of,29478/). Of course, every fundamentalist Republican already knows this.

and than there's this
http://www.examiner.com/article/liberals-on-twitter-curse-archbishop-dolan-for-pro-life-prayer-at-dnc-convention

Democrats curse the American Pope.  Nice job guys.


Raw footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F80w9nUGLPQ
I admire the guy for lending his prestige to the event, so he could go and preach to the people who need it most.     

America has its own pope now? Who appointed him for that?

The US bishops  ..and to some degree THE POPE. 

There is one Pope - to say otherwise is heresy.

Yeah, I'm sure there were absolutely no conservatives on Twitter who threw abuse at Obama during his speech....

I'm not saying that this kind of abuse is justified, but did that guy really need to write an article devoted to Twitter trolls?

Of course the 75% is just a rough number, it could easily be like 74% especially due to margin of error. But I don't want to force people away. That's not what Jesus did.

No Republicans cursed Dolan at the RNC.  So yes that is news worthy that dems uniquely despise the top Catholic official in America.       

Locking this thread and hoping that there are enough 10-pointers here to merit a ban. I'll edit/delete when I'm not on vacation. >:|