Talk Elections

For me it's FF

HP.

Don't really mind her, but I probably agree with most of her views. So FF.

Easily a FF. My only big gripe is that she doesn't seem to love nuclear energy like I do.

Anyone who can keep Roseanne away from the spotlight is a total FF.

But she'd be an FF anyway.

FF, for the lack of a reason to be an HP, much like Claire McCaskill. I prefer Roseanne.

FF; non-offensive and seems rather nice.

FF

FF, a rarity for a Green Party candidate for the Presidency. It's a shame she believes the luddite bullsh**t about GM plants and nuclear power, though.

I don't know about GM plants, but nuclear power really doesn't seem to me like the kind of issue that makes you worthy of being called an idiot if you disagree with it.  Things like wind and solar power are clearly preferable to nuclear power, which doesn't produce radioactive waste.  Also, if a wind turbine fails, it falls on some cows.  If a nuclear power plant fails, well...

So, honestly, I think you're overreacting about nuclear power.

Neutral.

The catch is neither wind nor solar are particularly reliable for putting out at their full capacity around the clock. Until tech for storage batteries improves this limitation will leave us in need of a more reliable source of baseload power. So far as I can tell, coal and nuclear are the only two energy options of that nature ready to go right now at a reasonable cost and - because I consider the whole "clean coal" pitch as little more than a PR campaign by the producers of fossil fuels to help them keep selling what they already make - nuclear stands out to me as the better choice. Provided we can someday start building reactors that run on thorium, the long-standing taboo about safety surrounding these power stations can be done away with and this form of energy could well become the mainstay of modern society - with fuel enough in the ground to last us for so long as to make current coal and oil reserves look insignificant. When Greens rally against nuclear power I cannot easily take much of their outlook on energy policy seriously anymore. :\

FF on balance....but I don't understand how somebody can know how to read and be against GM crops.  It's just as nutty as not believing in evolution or a round earth.

HP, for a number of reasons related to me by a friend's friend who had the misfortune of meeting her personally.

care to pass along the hearsay?

Directly copypasta'd from our facebook convo:

"I had the opportunity to see Jill speak at the occupation in charlotte this week and she is as full of sh**t as the rest of them. She uses people for her own political gain.

She walked into our encampment and did her press conference without ONCE acknowledging or directly addressing the occupiers there. She also slammed a door in the face of someone requesting food donations. She is a fraud."

(there was a bit more, detailing the manner Stein and her media team just suddenly barged in unexpectedly, trampled over everything, and and basically commandeered the place for the duration, but I can't find that message at the moment)

you have a friend who protested the DNC?  cool

I'd answer, but I don't know what FF or HP stand for.

Freedom Fighter and Horrible Person.

Thanks :-)

Even if one disagrees with her running (I don't - I'm voting Stein/Honkala), I really see no evidence of her being a "horrible person."

I noticed in the extended debate from the other night she appeared to be a staunch believer in class struggle and conspiracy theories pertaining to members of the upper classes, the war in Iraq being primarily about oil, and had the same sort of cynicism and belligerent tone in her words on opponents as I remember from Dennis Kucinich. I am starting to get the impression that I agree with her on many issues but often reach those same policy prescriptions via very different lines of thought. Her negativity and at times militant vibe in general are, along with the aforementioned concerns, making me start to sympathize with dead0man's attitude here.

There is a very real chance I'll withdraw my support for her in favor of the Justice Party candidate by November.

for God's sake my man, third party candidacies aren't about the candidate herself but about building the strength of an organization.

Vote for a candidate that has a chance to win.

Why?

So vote for Stein or Johnson.

Anderson is much better than Stein. He should of ran for the nomination of the Green and Peace and Freedom Party nominations.

He is, but since it was "chance to win" I did it by ballot access.

Better platform than the Republicans and Democrats combined, plus I'm actually inclined to trust her when she says she believes the things she does. I may consider voting for her, really.

Redalgo is in Montana.  The only candidate with a real chance to win Montana is Mitt Romney.  We really need to drop this notion that this country has a single presidential election.  The national popular vote is merely an aggregation of 51 separate elections, so the only election one is voting in is a statewide one for a slate of electors.  Therefore, the only candidate with a chance of winning the election a voter in a safe state is participating in is the candidate who will win that state.  Thus, if one should as a general rule only vote for candidates with a chance, then it is not even worth voting in a safe state, because we can be virtually certain who the winner is.

I voted for her for the same reasons I voted for Nader in 2008.
I don't live in a swing state so I can vote for whoever I feel my positions are closer to.  I like Obama and I prefer the democrats over the republicans, but I don't approve of drone attacks that kill innocent civilians and make people in the Middle East hate America.

I might have voted for Rocky Anderson instead but he wasn't on the ballot.

Anyone in the Green Party is a massive HP.  It is, without a doubt, the most dangerous third party in America.

...because it's so effective, right? How many elected Greens are there, anyway? I'd say it's a lot less than the party that's actively seeking to stop economic recovery for political purposes :P

She is my favorite liberal.

What's dangerous about them?

Really?  The Green Party is impotent, bordering on irrelevance.  I can't understand your antipathy.