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Election Archive => 2012 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls => Topic started by: RI on November 05, 2012, 12:20:11 AM



Title: FL: PPP: Obama leads by one
Post by: RI on November 05, 2012, 12:20:11 AM
One respondent, that is.

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PublicPolicyPolling‏@ppppolls

 Our final Florida poll finds Barack Obama leading 50/49. Or more precisely 473 respondents to 472 respondents #recount
 


Title: Re: FL: PPP: Obama leads by one
Post by: pa2011 on November 05, 2012, 12:22:45 AM
So Romney has to hope the polls are wrong or under estimating his support in Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, Colorado and  Ohio and to some extent Pennsylvania and/or Wisconsin to win. Not really a great place to be 24 hours before the voting begins.


Title: Re: FL: PPP: Obama leads by one
Post by: Reds4 on November 05, 2012, 12:24:14 AM
Pretty crazy... Mason-dixon has been good in Florida so it's strange to see such a wide spread between them (+6 for Romney) and so many others... regardless, someone is going to look bad Tuesday night.


Title: Re: FL: PPP: Obama leads by one
Post by: Eraserhead on November 05, 2012, 12:26:50 AM
Florida is going to be a tough one to predict.


Title: Re: FL: PPP: Obama leads by one
Post by: Devils30 on November 05, 2012, 12:27:11 AM
It's basically a tie for statistical purposes but I'm probably gonna go with Romney in FL for my final map.


Title: Re: FL: PPP: Obama leads by one
Post by: Fuzzybigfoot on November 05, 2012, 12:27:41 AM
Su-su-surging!  :D


Title: Re: FL: PPP: Obama leads by one
Post by: Skill and Chance on November 05, 2012, 12:31:25 AM
Pretty crazy... Mason-dixon has been good in Florida so it's strange to see such a wide spread between them (+6 for Romney) and so many others... regardless, someone is going to look bad Tuesday night.

I would be very surprised if it doesn't go to Romney.  In 2004 RCP had FL at Bush +0.6, and the actual result was Bush +5.0  Rubio and Scott also underpolled in 2010.  Obama 2008 was right on the mark while he underpolled in most other states.  Cuban Republicans are likely under-represented in polling.


Title: Re: FL: PPP: Obama leads by one
Post by: Speed of Sound on November 05, 2012, 12:32:25 AM
It's basically a tie for statistical purposes but I'm probably gonna go with Romney in FL for my final map.


Title: Re: FL: PPP: Obama leads by one
Post by: Yank2133 on November 05, 2012, 12:34:05 AM
Mason Dixon is an excellent pollster.....but every other poll seems to show a closer race. I still think Romney wins FL.......but it may be very close.


Title: Re: FL: PPP: Obama leads by one
Post by: Likely Voter on November 05, 2012, 12:39:40 AM
Romney will probably win, but it is certainly not 'in the bank' for him. If it were, he wouldn't be headed back for one more visit in Monday (and to VA too)


Title: Re: FL: PPP: Obama leads by one
Post by: Fargobison on November 05, 2012, 12:40:41 AM
Their last Florida poll was terrible because it made no sense, I guess I'll have to wait to see the internals.


Title: Re: FL: PPP: Obama leads by one
Post by: Miles on November 05, 2012, 12:58:37 AM
The Senate, numbers check out, 51-46 Nelson. If anything, it seems a bit generous to Mack.


Title: Re: FL: PPP: Obama leads by one
Post by: Tender Branson on November 05, 2012, 12:59:39 AM
Hmm, shouldn't this be added more like a tie, rather than a 1-point lead for Obama ?

Obama leads by 1 poll respondent, that doesn't justify a 1% poll lead.


Title: Re: FL: PPP: Obama leads by one
Post by: Lief 🗽 on November 05, 2012, 01:02:51 AM
Hmm, shouldn't this be added more like a tie, rather than a 1-point lead for Obama ?

Obama leads by 1 poll respondent, that doesn't justify a 1% poll lead.

Maybe it does when everything is re-weighed.


Title: Re: FL: PPP: Obama leads by one
Post by: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian. on November 05, 2012, 01:03:44 AM
Hmm, shouldn't this be added more like a tie, rather than a 1-point lead for Obama ?

Obama leads by 1 poll respondent, that doesn't justify a 1% poll lead.

Maybe it does when everything is re-weighed.

Maybe it's like 49.55 to 49.45.


Title: Re: FL: PPP: Obama leads by one
Post by: Fargobison on November 05, 2012, 01:12:24 AM
Romney winning whites by 19% and losing Hispanics by 6%....probably equals a 2 or 3 point win on election day.


Title: Re: FL: PPP: Obama leads by one
Post by: RI on November 05, 2012, 01:14:06 AM
Hmm, shouldn't this be added more like a tie, rather than a 1-point lead for Obama ?

Obama leads by 1 poll respondent, that doesn't justify a 1% poll lead.

I entered the poll exactly as PPP reported it.


Title: Re: FL: PPP: Obama leads by one
Post by: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian. on November 05, 2012, 01:17:19 AM
Romney winning whites by 19% and losing Hispanics by 6%....probably equals a 2 or 3 point win on election day.

Turnout in Florida's apparently a sight for sore eyes (my best friend is working with the Obama campaign in Palm Beach County; I really miss her), but I'd say a 2-point Romney win sounds about right, sadly.


Title: Re: FL: PPP: Obama leads by one
Post by: Andrew1 on November 05, 2012, 03:47:05 AM
Hmm, shouldn't this be added more like a tie, rather than a 1-point lead for Obama ?

Obama leads by 1 poll respondent, that doesn't justify a 1% poll lead.

Maybe it does when everything is re-weighed.

Maybe it's like 49.55 to 49.45.

Right, it's because of rounding

473 Obama = 49.53% = 50%
472 Romney = 49.42% = 49%
10 Others = 1.05% = 1%


Title: Re: FL: PPP: Obama leads by one
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on November 05, 2012, 07:14:25 AM
Pretty crazy... Mason-dixon has been good in Florida so it's strange to see such a wide spread between them (+6 for Romney) and so many others... regardless, someone is going to look bad Tuesday night.

Even good pollsters should have occasional outliers.  (For example, that Pew national poll a few weeks ago that had Romney+7.)  So it could be that M-D had an outlier.  It also could be that they haven't adapted well to the cellphone era.  We'll see.


Title: Re: FL: PPP: Obama leads by one
Post by: Holmes on November 05, 2012, 07:33:30 AM
I really don't want this to be a long night.


Title: Re: FL: PPP: Obama leads by one
Post by: J. J. on November 05, 2012, 07:38:37 AM
Pretty crazy... Mason-dixon has been good in Florida so it's strange to see such a wide spread between them (+6 for Romney) and so many others... regardless, someone is going to look bad Tuesday night.

Even good pollsters should have occasional outliers.  (For example, that Pew national poll a few weeks ago that had Romney+7.)  So it could be that M-D had an outlier.  It also could be that they haven't adapted well to the cellphone era.  We'll see.

I think M-D had one previously that showed Romney up by 6, which is probably too large. 


Title: Re: FL: PPP: Obama leads by one
Post by: pbrower2a on November 05, 2012, 09:30:31 AM
If Florida goes to President Obama, then maybe the Spanish-language ad that the political ad that attempts to link President Obama to Hugo Chavez and (through the dictator's niece Mariela) Fidel Castro backfired.  If nothing else happens as a result of this election, then such could show the necessity of integrity in campaigning.

Basically, do not lie.


Title: Re: FL: PPP: Obama leads by one
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on November 07, 2012, 06:36:10 PM
Junk poll from Putrid Propagand Polling!

They polled all the moochers and welfare queens while leaving out good white Americans, real Americans.