Talk Elections

I would like to announce that I have switched allegiance to the Republican Party. I've also changed my avatar to Wyoming because it's always been my favourite state.

WHAT? :o

Explanation please? :o

:)

I've decided that Bush is the right man for the Presidency. John Kerry is just a bleeding-heart liberal who hates America and supports terrorists.

OK...so I'm guessing that this is some sort of joke then... ;)

wrong thread.... and who cares ....

Yep. April fool! :)

I am SO DUM. :(

It's after 12 though...

Michael Z,

I can't believe you went back to the Democratic Party. How can you support a party that supports equal rights, civil liberties, pacifism, concern for poor, humane treatment for criminals, and environmental protection?

**Late edit: April Fool's Joke

I've seen your sarcasm twice now, nccon. Are you a republican, a democrat, and independent, or just playing April Fools jokes.

Its nclib, check the profile.

He does identify the dems as the party of pacifism, the cause of the second world war and holocaust, however. aSo he must have some conservative leanings.

And the Republicans weren't at some fault for WWII? Harding steered away from the League of Nation, and he and his successors ignored the failingTreaty of Versailles.

Sean Hannity pulled a similar stunt today :P

Why not add to the perceived arrogance of Americans?  Go ahead.  Don't you realize that neither Democrats nor Republicans had anything to do with starting WWII.  The pacific theater began about a year before Roosevelt was even elected for his first term, and the European theater began more than two years before our country got involved.  Sometimes it is said North Americans have a shallow view, or an inaccurate view of world history.  Most of the time, the posters on this forum show contradictory evidence.  Unfortunately, often enough, sometimes the posts herein support that conclusion.  Please, give your collective ethnocentries a little rest.

I am nclib, and yes, both posts were April Fool's jokes. Of course, in real life I am a liberal Democrat.

I hope neither post was offensive to anyone.

BTW, did Dave Leip delete the other thread (in the 2004 election) ?

So, he pretended to be a liberal?

I suppose that you're refering to the Japanse-Chinese war?

It depends on how counter-factual one wants to be...the Versailles Treaty with its harshness towards Germany obviously is part of the reason, and the WWI entente, in particular France, is to blame for this. One can also blame the Western Democracies for not standing up to Hitler...that would be the US a little more perhaps, considering your isolationist polciies. Then there is of course the German people and especially the NSDAP who has some smaller part of the blame as well... :P

Yeah - for like two hours.  I was getting calls from friends who were freaking out over it!  He had a lot of people going... but I looked at the calendar before getting too concerned. :P

Yeah, in the Western theater, I think Versailles and France bear that responsibility.  I think the nsdap was just a natural nationalistic response to that harshness.  And, yes, chamberlain and his friends in washington, in both parties, were hoping to avoid conflict.  Hindsight is 20/20.  Don't you agree?

On hindsight? Yes, of course, but that doesn't change the harsh fact that Chamberlain was wrong and Churchill was right. Now, let's not get started on Halifax...

I missed the chance for April Fools, me and my friends were hanging out and by the time we realised it was 1st of April it was about 6pm

HAH! Same with me though... :(

I surrender.  You must know that I cannot possibly expect to escape any denigration of Churchill unscathed by either the American right or the European right.  Not sure I want to anyway, as the negative campaign against him in 1945 attaching him to Germans (recall the old movietone reels with the stressed pronunciation of Friedrich von Hayak run by his opponents on the Left), made me feel sorry for the man.  Like the way I felt sorry for Clarence Thomas about 15 years ago.  I still abhore negative campaigns.

A history buff like you might enjoy a perusal of the original Halifax/Roosevelt documents in some moment of spare time:
http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/ww2.htm

I accept your surrender. ;)

In the Uk and loads of us where trying to get Glastonbury Festival tickets… we where talking online at the same time… the festival ticket site had crashed and the phone lines where collapsing (link http://www.nme.com/news/108067.htm OR http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3595387.stm ) … at about nine pm I suggested it was a really bad April fools… sadly it was not…  of course we didnt not a get a freaking ticket despite most of us being up and on line from 8pm till 4am! We found somewhere else up in Scotland (T in the park festival and the line up is way better)… but if ya want an April fools day that has gotta be one of the worst… dame hippy farmer and his faulty phone lines!  

Last time I went to Glastonbury was when tickets were still £70 a piece... which means I went a looooong time ago. Of course in those days you could climb the fence with no problems, so in actual fact I didn't spend a dime. Ah, memories. Who's headlining this year? Anyway, sorry to hear about that problem with the tickets. Lol, "damn hippie farmer" - suck it to Michael Eavis!

Pretty much what me and my friends where saying all night as well...

Headliners this year where...

Paul McCartney

Oasis

Muse

Not great but these where also playing... Kings of Leon, Libertines, Franz Ferdinand, Morrissey, PJ Harvey,  James Brown, Black Rebel Motor cycle club... oh well...

Got Tickets for T in the park as i can go to that as opposed to Reading and Leeds which are too late in the year for me (back in the US)...

Went to Glasto last year REM, Radiohead... Interpol, Radio 4, Kings of Leon, Flaming Lips, David Gray, Mogwai, Cooper Temple Clause, Echo & The Bunnymen, The Darkness,  Idlewild, Brendan Benson, Supergrass, Jools Holland, The Polyphonic Spree, Turin Brakes, The Coral, The Libertines, The Thrills, Goldfrap....

[gasps for breath]

Then again last year was much better than this year.... i say that now and suddenly a host of really great bands confirm themselves topped off by a “surprise” appearance by U2... that would be my luck

T in the park is better though… plus I get to see Scotland for the first time!

I hope you were kidding.  The League of Nations and the Treaty of Versailles?  Democratic ideas (Wilson) that completely and utterly failed to bring a lasting peace.

Dunno, Muse kinda sound worth it, they're one of the few contemporary British bands I've got time for. OK, so they copy shamelessly from Jeff Buckley and Radiohead, but then again show me one British band from the last 15 years that has managed to be totally original in some way... apart from Radiohead, of course... and even they lose novelty once you listen to the Aphex Twin or Laurie Anderson. But I don't wanna ramble on too much.


I wish I had gone last year. I so wish I had. Seriously, I was watching the highlights on TV, with Radiohead, Flaming Lips (who have to be one of the best live bands ever), etc and it definitely looked like the best Glasto in ages. Gah, envy. Anyway, hope you have a good time at T In The Park. :)

Actually, I was thinking about pacifism in general, especially that of Neville Chamberlain. He referred to the modern Democrats as having this ideal, which is the next most damning thing to saying they have genocide as an ideal. (It means you will allow genocide to happen, or at least create the conditions through weakness, perceived or otherwise, so that it will happen, like it or not.) I was actualy not talking about the Democratic party of the teens-40s (Which I likely would have supported as the less isolationistic).

The LN failed due to lack of backing, just like the Versailles Treaty, even though the latter was flawed from the beginning really.

Chamberlain wasn't really a pacifist, he was reliably hawkish after he had realized his mistake.