Title: Calhoun and Madison counties, IL Post by: they don't love you like i love you on December 16, 2012, 03:16:01 PM These seem to be the only two Kerry/Romney counties in Illinois. And Madison is the only notable one in terms of size.
So why? Seems to me like older working class St. Louis suburbs are being gentrified. Title: Re: Calhoun and Madison counties, IL Post by: minionofmidas on December 16, 2012, 04:05:11 PM More like they're full of not particularly metropolitan people with family histories of boondogs coalmining.
Title: Re: Calhoun and Madison counties, IL Post by: Franzl on December 17, 2012, 06:03:03 AM Even my ballot from across the ocean didn't help. :(
Title: Re: Calhoun and Madison counties, IL Post by: memphis on December 19, 2012, 12:11:54 AM These seem to be the only two Kerry/Romney counties in Illinois. And Madison is the only notable one in terms of size. So why? Seems to me like older working class St. Louis suburbs are being gentrified. Title: Re: Calhoun and Madison counties, IL Post by: they don't love you like i love you on December 19, 2012, 12:23:13 AM So...what is it like?
Title: Re: Calhoun and Madison counties, IL Post by: Franzl on December 19, 2012, 02:02:37 AM So...what is it like? Rednecks, to an extent. Especially further up the river towards Calhoun. Title: Re: Calhoun and Madison counties, IL Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on December 19, 2012, 07:26:18 AM East St. Louis is being gentrified? What universe is this?
Title: Re: Calhoun and Madison counties, IL Post by: memphis on December 19, 2012, 09:43:22 AM East St. Louis is being gentrified? What universe is this? Title: Re: Calhoun and Madison counties, IL Post by: they don't love you like i love you on December 19, 2012, 10:30:47 PM Well yeah I was saying gentrification would make those areas more Republican.
Would be cool to get a full list of counties where Romney did better than Bush 2004, unsurprisingly he did in plenty of counties in the coal region in southeast Illinois, but Bush won this region in 2004 too. Title: Re: Calhoun and Madison counties, IL Post by: memphis on December 21, 2012, 12:45:11 AM Well yeah I was saying gentrification would make those areas more Republican. Would be cool to get a full list of counties where Romney did better than Bush 2004, unsurprisingly he did in plenty of counties in the coal region in southeast Illinois, but Bush won this region in 2004 too. Title: Re: Calhoun and Madison counties, IL Post by: they don't love you like i love you on December 21, 2012, 01:28:06 AM Well yeah I was saying gentrification would make those areas more Republican. Would be cool to get a full list of counties where Romney did better than Bush 2004, unsurprisingly he did in plenty of counties in the coal region in southeast Illinois, but Bush won this region in 2004 too. Should've been more clear, I meant counties in Illinois where Romney did better. What's the deal with that Effingham place? Not only is it one, but it voted 75% for Romney and even voted for ALAN KEYES by 17 points. Demographically though it looks like a standard boring Midwestern town, we have hoards of similar ones as do Wisconsin and Iowa and most of those are about 55% R at worse. Title: Re: Calhoun and Madison counties, IL Post by: memphis on December 21, 2012, 10:02:30 AM Well yeah I was saying gentrification would make those areas more Republican. Would be cool to get a full list of counties where Romney did better than Bush 2004, unsurprisingly he did in plenty of counties in the coal region in southeast Illinois, but Bush won this region in 2004 too. Should've been more clear, I meant counties in Illinois where Romney did better. What's the deal with that Effingham place? Not only is it one, but it voted 75% for Romney and even voted for ALAN KEYES by 17 points. Demographically though it looks like a standard boring Midwestern town, we have hoards of similar ones as do Wisconsin and Iowa and most of those are about 55% R at worse. Title: Re: Calhoun and Madison counties, IL Post by: Abhakhazia on December 26, 2012, 10:58:28 PM Obama did a ridiculous sweep of traditionally Republican downstate counties in Illinois in 2008, but they turned back. On the whole, I'd say that the Chicago suburbs and the Rock Island area are becoming more Democratic, whie the rest of the state is becoming much more Republican. I'm not really unbiased here, but that's my honest opinion.
Title: Re: Calhoun and Madison counties, IL Post by: DINGO Joe on December 27, 2012, 01:36:12 PM [/quote] What's the deal with that Effingham place? Not only is it one, but it voted 75% for Romney and even voted for ALAN KEYES by 17 points. Demographically though it looks like a standard boring Midwestern town, we have hoards of similar ones as do Wisconsin and Iowa and most of those are about 55% R at worse. [/quote] They're probably angry about living in a county that sounds like someone cursing out a pig. I've been through there a few times, even eaten at a decent bar-b-que place, nothing in particular stands out. Title: Re: Calhoun and Madison counties, IL Post by: DINGO Joe on December 27, 2012, 01:59:49 PM An odd little factoid about about coal and Southern Illinois. Back in 1970s when the Nixon era Clean Air Act was enacted, coal plants had to regulate the amount of sulfur they spewed into the air. Plants either had to install scrubbers or burn low sulfur coal to comply, and all new plants had to have scrubbers going forward. Many chose to switch to low sulfur Wyoming coal (Powder River Basin) or Appalachian coal from high sulfur Illinois Basin coal (Ill, IN, W KY and MO) and the mining industry in Illinois Basin took a beating. More recently, environmental regulations require all plants regardless of age to have scrubbers if they wish to continue operating. That means that the sulfur content of coal no longer matters and thus the Illinois basin coal, which is cheaper than Appalachian and has a lower transport cost than Wyoming coal has been taking market share and is expected to continue that trend. Thus, while coal production is way down in Appalachia and Wyoming this year it's actually up in the Illinois basin thanks to environmental regulations.
Title: Re: Calhoun and Madison counties, IL Post by: minionofmidas on December 29, 2012, 07:29:42 AM Obama did a ridiculous sweep of traditionally Republican downstate counties in Illinois in 2008, but they turned back. On the whole, I'd say that the Chicago suburbs and the Rock Island area are becoming more Democratic, whie the rest of the state is becoming much more Republican. I'm not really unbiased here, but that's my honest opinion. Title: Re: Calhoun and Madison counties, IL Post by: Antonio the Sixth on December 29, 2012, 12:40:27 PM Even my ballot from across the ocean didn't help. :( So you live in a Romney county, Franzl? What a horrible experience it must be... Title: Re: Calhoun and Madison counties, IL Post by: Franzl on December 29, 2012, 01:28:04 PM Even my ballot from across the ocean didn't help. :( So you live in a Romney county, Franzl? What a horrible experience it must be... Thankfully, it's only a voting address these days... ;) Title: Re: Calhoun and Madison counties, IL Post by: HAnnA MArin County on December 30, 2012, 03:13:15 AM Well yeah I was saying gentrification would make those areas more Republican. Would be cool to get a full list of counties where Romney did better than Bush 2004, unsurprisingly he did in plenty of counties in the coal region in southeast Illinois, but Bush won this region in 2004 too. What's the deal with that Effingham place? Not only is it one, but it voted 75% for Romney and even voted for ALAN KEYES by 17 points. Demographically though it looks like a standard boring Midwestern town, we have hoards of similar ones as do Wisconsin and Iowa and most of those are about 55% R at worse. http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/10913/ Effingham is home to the world's largest cross. That might have something to do with it. Because nothing says Christianity like building a $1.7 million cross instead of feeding the hungry and healing the sick. Title: Re: Calhoun and Madison counties, IL Post by: Sol on December 30, 2012, 04:57:42 PM Well yeah I was saying gentrification would make those areas more Republican. Would be cool to get a full list of counties where Romney did better than Bush 2004, unsurprisingly he did in plenty of counties in the coal region in southeast Illinois, but Bush won this region in 2004 too. What's the deal with that Effingham place? Not only is it one, but it voted 75% for Romney and even voted for ALAN KEYES by 17 points. Demographically though it looks like a standard boring Midwestern town, we have hoards of similar ones as do Wisconsin and Iowa and most of those are about 55% R at worse. http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/10913/ Effingham is home to the world's largest cross. That might have something to do with it. Because nothing says Christianity like building a $1.7 million cross instead of feeding the hungry and healing the sick. It also appears that Effingham was a sundown town, and may still be so. (http://sundown.afro.illinois.edu/sundowntownsshow.php?id=1640) Title: Re: Calhoun and Madison counties, IL Post by: Badger on January 06, 2013, 04:24:55 PM Even my ballot from across the ocean didn't help. :( So you live in a Romney county, Franzl? What a horrible experience it must be... Most counties are Romney counties.... |