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Election Archive => 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls => Topic started by: Tender Branson on January 10, 2013, 01:54:02 PM



Title: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: Tender Branson on January 10, 2013, 01:54:02 PM
Hillary Clinton.................................................. 44%
Chris Christie .................................................. 42%

Hillary Clinton.................................................. 51%
Jeb Bush......................................................... 37%

Hillary Clinton.................................................. 51%
Marco Rubio ................................................... 37%

Hillary Clinton.................................................. 53%
Paul Ryan ....................................................... 39%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_National_011013.pdf


Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: Tender Branson on January 10, 2013, 02:05:11 PM
National favorable ratings of all candidates:

favorable/unfavorable

51-23 Chris Christie (+28)
54-39 Hillary Clinton (+15)
30-22 Elizabeth Warren (+8)
33-27 Marco Rubio (+6)
48-43 Joe Biden (+5)

17-17 Susana Martinez
12-12 Mark Warner

26-31 Bobby Jindal (-5)
  8-13 Martin O’Malley (-5)
11-16 Deval Patrick (-5)
38-45 Paul Ryan (-7)
26-33 Andrew Cuomo (-7)
33-40 Jeb Bush (-7)
  5-13 Brian Schweitzer (-8)
11-20 Kirsten Gillibrand (-9)
34-46 Mike Huckabee (-12)
32-44 Rand Paul (-12)
19-52 Rick Perry (-33)


Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on January 10, 2013, 02:07:53 PM
That really is an impressive showing for Christie. I wouldn't be suprised if he's already specifically preparing for a showdown against Hilldog.


Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: Tender Branson on January 10, 2013, 02:09:44 PM
Christie also leads Hillary by 47-29 among Indies ...


Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: You kip if you want to... on January 10, 2013, 02:11:41 PM
In April 2009, when PPP first polled Obama vs. Mitt, Obama led by 11. Just sayin'.


Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on January 10, 2013, 02:17:50 PM
Both Clinton and Christie will see their favorables drop as they enter the fray of campaigning. Clinton has benefited from rising above the political fighting as SoS and Christie is still enjoying the Sandy bump.


Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 10, 2013, 06:17:51 PM
Hillary Clinton.................................................. 44%
Chris Christie .................................................. 42%

Hillary Clinton.................................................. 51%
Jeb Bush......................................................... 37%

Hillary Clinton.................................................. 51%
Marco Rubio ................................................... 37%

Hillary Clinton.................................................. 53%
Paul Ryan ....................................................... 39%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_National_011013.pdf

Same thing I said in the other thread applies here.  Rubio's name recognition is a bit lower than the other candidates being polled here, so his showing here really isn't as bad as it is for Bush and Ryan.


Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 10, 2013, 08:36:54 PM
Here are the things that stand out to me the most about the poll:

Christie's strong numbers are because of crossover appeal; Clinton's strong numbers are because Democrats love her.

Christie favorability / unfavorability among…
Dems 52 / 23% for +29%
GOP 48 / 27% for +21%
Independents 52 / 18% for +34%

Clinton favorability / unfavorability among…
Dems 81 / 16% for +65%
GOP 17 / 73% for -56%
Independents 48 / 41% for +7%

Martinez and Rubio are the only Republicans with better favorables among Hispanics than whites.

Martinez favorability / unfavorability among…
whites 14 / 16% for -2%
Hispanics 28 / 23% for +5%
blacks 29 / 20% for +9%
other 19 / 23% for -4%

Rubio favorability / unfavorability among…
whites 32 / 27% for +5%
Hispanics 51 / 27% for +24%
blacks 21 / 39% for -18%
other 31 / 21% for +10%

Clinton also only leads Rubio by 3% among Hispanics, but 9% among whites.

Younger voters don't seem to like anyone

In recent elections, Dems have done well among the young, while Republicans have done well among the old.  However, for 2016, voters under 30 don't seem to like anyone very much.  The Republicans of course have higher favorability among older voters, but in this poll, most of the Democratic candidates also do as well or better among older voters as they do among younger voters.  Biden is actually the most popular among the young, at +13% favorable among those under 30.  Clinton, however, is at 45/48% for -3% among voters under 30, but 58 / 33% for +25% among voters over 65.

In the Christie vs. Clinton matchup, the numbers by age group are as follows:

under 30: Clinton 57% - Christie 29%
30-45: Christie 49% - Clinton 38%
46-65: Clinton 46% - Christie 42%
over 65: Clinton 45% - Christie 37%

So Clinton's best category here is the under 30 crowd, but Christie's is the next youngest group (30-45), since Clinton also does well among olds.


Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 10, 2013, 08:38:54 PM
Essentially a tie with Christie during Hillary's high point. Can't wait to see the polls with him leading her in a few months.  :)


Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: Warren 4 Secretary of Everything on January 10, 2013, 08:40:15 PM
In April 2009, when PPP first polled Obama vs. Mitt, Obama led by 11. Just sayin'.
I'm pretty sure that was among Registered Voters though. Obama still lead Romney by around 8-9 points among them in October.


Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: Blue3 on January 10, 2013, 09:04:57 PM
Essentially a tie with Christie during Hillary's high point. Can't wait to see the polls with him leading her in a few months.  :)
This is Christie's high point too. Democrats will love to hate him if he enters into the GOP primaries, where he'll have to flip-flop to the right like Romney or lose as bad as Giuliani.


Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 10, 2013, 09:12:57 PM
Essentially a tie with Christie during Hillary's high point. Can't wait to see the polls with him leading her in a few months.  :)
This is Christie's high point too. Democrats will love to hate him if he enters into the GOP primaries, where he'll have to flip-flop to the right like Romney or lose as bad as Giuliani.

It won't really be "flip-flopping".  It'll be a change in emphasis.  Christie's troubles with the GOP base come more from symbolic acts, like praising Obama's handling of Sandy, and his criticism of Boehner over Sandy aid.  The actual substantive reasons for the GOP base to distrust him are less significant than they were with McCain, Giuliani, or Romney, though I agree that the political effect is similar nonetheless.


Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on January 10, 2013, 09:15:00 PM
The Latino results seem off. It also seems like Hillarymania is starting to erode a little bit.


Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: tmthforu94 on January 10, 2013, 11:12:47 PM
In April 2009, when PPP first polled Obama vs. Mitt, Obama led by 11. Just sayin'.
That's actually fairly unimpressive, considering how popular Obama was at the time. At the same time, Christie is probably better known nationally than Romney was four years ago.


Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: Eraserhead on January 10, 2013, 11:52:24 PM
Essentially a tie with Christie during Hillary's high point. Can't wait to see the polls with him leading her in a few months.  :)

Isn't this more of a high point for Christie, post-Sandy and whatnot?

Very impressive numbers for him all the same.


Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: DrScholl on January 11, 2013, 12:26:45 AM
Christie won't be the nominee, I think he'll have created too much animosity with the Republican establishment.


Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: Frodo on January 11, 2013, 12:55:59 AM
Christie won't be the nominee, I think he'll have created too much animosity with the Republican establishment.

That, and his turn to the right within the next four years in preparation for his bid for the GOP nod will be regarded with much the same skepticism that greeted Mitt Romney -from everyone.  And I doubt he will fare much better in defining his own identity if he did win the nomination.  Christie will undoubtably face a crowded and more daunting field than his predecessor did, and he will not be in a position to fight back effectively when Democrats begin to attack him.


Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: Liberalrocks on January 11, 2013, 04:12:26 PM
I agree with the last few comments regarding Christie's potential rise to the nomination. He also has a tendency to be an uncensored politician and shoot from the hip, if facing Clinton this could really hurt him in a general election as the media will be searching for "a story". The Clintons are skilled at milking gaffe's. Clinton has been on the scene for years, yes she comes with some baggage as all long term politicians do but that baggage is well known and been on public view.

-I do think a primary split will occur if Christie enters as many of the tea party establishment dont view him as pure.


Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 11, 2013, 04:31:15 PM
Essentially a tie with Christie during Hillary's high point. Can't wait to see the polls with him leading her in a few months.  :)

Isn't this more of a high point for Christie, post-Sandy and whatnot?

Very impressive numbers for him all the same.

Probably. The point is, though, that their sky high approval ratings now won't be that way in 2016.


Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on January 11, 2013, 04:48:00 PM
I remember Obama v. McCain polls from 2006 showing McCain winning all states except IL, HI and DC.


Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 11, 2013, 04:49:44 PM
I remember Obama v. McCain polls from 2006 showing McCain winning all states except IL, HI and DC.

Thank you, Kal. Thank you.


Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: Maxwell on January 11, 2013, 08:30:40 PM
I remember Obama v. McCain polls from 2006 showing McCain winning all states except IL, HI and DC.

Obama was a freshly elected Senator at that point.


Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: Sbane on January 11, 2013, 08:41:14 PM
Essentially a tie with Christie during Hillary's high point. Can't wait to see the polls with him leading her in a few months.  :)

Isn't this also basically Christie's high point? Anyways, he would be a very credible challenger. Unfortunately, he won't make it past the primary.


Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: Ty440 on January 11, 2013, 08:59:46 PM


Clinton also only leads Rubio by 3% among Hispanics, but 9% among whites.




Obama got 39% of whites and won every swing state except N.C.

Prediction,  if it is Rubio and Clinton, Hillary gets at least 44% of whites and  the election is basically a cake walk.

KY, WV and maybe MO would be in play, Rubio is  culturally a bad fit  for those states.




Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: You kip if you want to... on January 11, 2013, 10:22:38 PM
KY, WV and maybe MO would be in play, Rubio is  culturally a bad fit  for those states.

Very PC way of putting it.

Obama was culturally a bad fit for similar reasons.


Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: politicallefty on January 12, 2013, 10:39:55 AM
Those are very good numbers for Christie, though I think his are more artificial than Hillary's. Christie is probably the Republican's best nominee in 2016, but I very much doubt that the base will allow him to become to the nominee. Assuming at least an adequate environment, Hillary looks to be the favorite unless Republicans get smart with their nominee.


Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on January 12, 2013, 11:00:14 AM
I remember Obama v. McCain polls from 2006 showing McCain winning all states except IL, HI and DC.

Obama was a freshly elected Senator at that point.

It doesn't matter. Given ultimate outcome it only proves my point such early polls are meaningless.


Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: Beet on January 12, 2013, 11:39:24 PM
I remember Obama v. McCain polls from 2006 showing McCain winning all states except IL, HI and DC.

Obama was a freshly elected Senator at that point.

It doesn't matter. Given ultimate outcome it only proves my point such early polls are meaningless.

Obama's name rec was very low in 2006. A huge chunk of people had never heard of him.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/13/obamarecog.jpg/


Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 14, 2013, 12:34:28 PM
I remember Obama v. McCain polls from 2006 showing McCain winning all states except IL, HI and DC.

Obama was a freshly elected Senator at that point.

It doesn't matter. Given ultimate outcome it only proves my point such early polls are meaningless.

Obama's name rec was very low in 2006. A huge chunk of people had never heard of him.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/13/obamarecog.jpg/

And McCain lead Hillary comfortably so...


Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: Oldiesfreak1854 on January 14, 2013, 12:50:05 PM
Obviously.  After all, her last name is Clinton.  But trust me, she's not going to run.


Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: Holmes on January 14, 2013, 01:05:49 PM
Republicans should take note, all it takes to be popular is to embrace Obama and repudiate House Republicans.


Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: Niemeyerite on January 14, 2013, 01:26:42 PM
Obviously.  After all, her last name is Clinton.  But trust me, she's not going to run.

How are you so sure?


Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: Frodo on February 20, 2017, 09:57:14 PM
What a difference four years makes.


Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: Coolface Sock #42069 on February 20, 2017, 10:10:06 PM
What a difference four years makes.
LOL, back when Christie was invincible and the presumptive nominee


Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: krazen1211 on February 20, 2017, 10:54:25 PM
Lol. What a stupid woman she was!


Title: Re: PPP: Hillary destroys any GOPer except Christie
Post by: uti2 on February 20, 2017, 11:15:30 PM
Well, she was leading all the GOPers until around Nov 2015, funny how people want forget that fact and simply remember a snapshot in time from hypo polls in Feb 2016, but then simultaneously ignore Bernie's contemporary polling showing him beating all the republicans at the same time.

By the way, even Republicans believed she was unbeatable:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/kevin-mccarthys-truthful-gaffe/2015/09/30/f12a9fac-67a8-11e5-8325-a42b5a459b1e_story.html