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Title: Los Angeles County Racial/Ethnic Breakdown 1940-2000
Post by: freepcrusher on February 07, 2013, 09:05:43 am
this is a map of the racial breakdown of the LA county census tracts from 1940 through 2000. I'm also in the process of making one for the 2010 census too, FWIW.

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Title: Re: Los Angeles County Racial/Ethnic Breakdown 1940-2000
Post by: freepcrusher on February 07, 2013, 09:07:19 am
one question I do have is: were hispanics not counted before 1970? I doubt they all of a sudden came there between 1960 and 1970. East LA/Boyle Heights has been hispanic for 60+ years.


Title: Re: Los Angeles County Racial/Ethnic Breakdown 1940-2000
Post by: Benj on February 07, 2013, 09:18:08 am
one question I do have is: were hispanics not counted before 1970? I doubt they all of a sudden came there between 1960 and 1970. East LA/Boyle Heights has been hispanic for 60+ years.

Correct. There was no question asking about Latin American heritage before the 1970 census. Most Hispanics probably identified as either white or other in 1960.


Title: Re: Los Angeles County Racial/Ethnic Breakdown 1940-2000
Post by: jimrtex on February 07, 2013, 11:39:30 am
this is a map of the racial breakdown of the LA county census tracts from 1940 through 2000. I'm also in the process of making one for the 2010 census too, FWIW.

Do you have any data on non-Mexican Hispanics?  Are there Salvadoran or Peruvian, etc. areas?


Title: Re: Los Angeles County Racial/Ethnic Breakdown 1940-2000
Post by: freepcrusher on February 07, 2013, 11:41:57 am
this is a map of the racial breakdown of the LA county census tracts from 1940 through 2000. I'm also in the process of making one for the 2010 census too, FWIW.

Do you have any data on non-Mexican Hispanics?  Are there Salvadoran or Peruvian, etc. areas?


nope, its just based off of DRA.


Title: Re: Los Angeles County Racial/Ethnic Breakdown 1940-2000
Post by: Sbane on February 07, 2013, 12:17:28 pm
this is a map of the racial breakdown of the LA county census tracts from 1940 through 2000. I'm also in the process of making one for the 2010 census too, FWIW.

Do you have any data on non-Mexican Hispanics?  Are there Salvadoran or Peruvian, etc. areas?


I am sure there are concentrations of Peruvians and Salvadorans in some areas, but even those areas will be majority Mexican among the Hispanic population.


Title: Re: Los Angeles County Racial/Ethnic Breakdown 1940-2000
Post by: jimrtex on February 07, 2013, 01:55:53 pm
this is a map of the racial breakdown of the LA county census tracts from 1940 through 2000. I'm also in the process of making one for the 2010 census too, FWIW.

Do you have any data on non-Mexican Hispanics?  Are there Salvadoran or Peruvian, etc. areas?


nope, its just based off of DRA.
This is the Salvadoran population (2006-2010 ACS)  Thresholds are 0-500, 500-1000, 1000+, I cut off the southern part just a bit to get more of the San Fernando Valley.

So concentrations south of downtown, but little towards the east.   There is a tiny bit toward the SE (Southgate, Cudahy, Huntington Park).  There is also a concentration in Palmdale, with lesser numbers in Santa Clarita and Lancaster.

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And here is for the Guatemalan population.  A bit more concentrated, with the dark green area south of downtown bounded by Alvarado and Union, Beverly Blvd and W 6th St.   This doesn't quite overlay the Salvadoran map.  There is relatively speaking, a concentration in Palmdale, but nowhere near the magnitude of the Salvadoran population.  In the San Fernando Valley, it appears to be a bit more of a north-south axis, than an east-west axis.

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Title: Re: Los Angeles County Racial/Ethnic Breakdown 1940-2000
Post by: freepcrusher on February 07, 2013, 05:56:11 pm
Quote from:  link=topic=169073.msg3617642#msg3617642 date=1360255317
Quote from:  link=topic=169073.msg3617636#msg3617636 date=1360255170
Quote from:  link=topic=169073.msg3617544#msg3617544 date=1360245943
This is the Salvadoran population (2006-2010 ACS)  Thresholds are 0-500, 500-1000, 1000+, I cut off the southern part just a bit to get more of the San Fernando Valley.

So concentrations south of downtown, but little towards the east.   There is a tiny bit toward the SE (Southgate, Cudahy, Huntington Park).  There is also a concentration in Palmdale, with lesser numbers in Santa Clarita and Lancaster.

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And here is for the Guatemalan population.  A bit more concentrated, with the dark green area south of downtown bounded by Alvarado and Union, Beverly Blvd and W 6th St.   This doesn't quite overlay the Salvadoran map.  There is relatively speaking, a concentration in Palmdale, but nowhere near the magnitude of the Salvadoran population.  In the San Fernando Valley, it appears to be a bit more of a north-south axis, than an east-west axis.

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So the Central Americans are all moving to places where the blacks don't want to live anymore?


Title: Re: Los Angeles County Racial/Ethnic Breakdown 1940-2000
Post by: jimrtex on February 08, 2013, 01:06:02 pm
So the Central Americans are all moving to places where the blacks don't want to live anymore?
Areas where people don't want to live have low rents which are attractive to people who don't have high income.   They also go where they might find work in construction - I assume that is the reason for the concentration in Palmdale.

Since Salvadoran and Guatemalan immigration was somewhat later than Mexican immigration, they may have tended to go where there was already Spanish speakers.  One reason that Central Americans may have not gone east is that many of those areas have large numbers of Asian immigrants.  There are some census tracts that are generally Hispanic, with Mexicans, and Central Americans from many countries, but with Salvadorans dominant, some that are Central American dominant, usually Salvadoran dominant but, sometimes Guatemalan.

It wouldn't surprise me if some of the Guatemalan-dominant areas had significant numbers of non-Spanish speakers (or perhaps as a second language).   Census Tract 1916.10 has the largest Central American to Hispanic ratio among census tracts with a Hispanic majority, and a bare Central American majority 50.3%.

1322 Guatemalan, 1207 non-Hispanic, 712 Mexican, 678 Salvadoran, 130 Nicaraguan, 114 Peruvian, and 91 Honduran.

Population estimates (for 2006-2010 ACS).

Total 9,758,256 100%
Not Hispanic 5,158,998 52.9%
Hispanic 4,599,258 47.1%
Mexican 3,541,205 36.3%
Puerto Rican 43,116 0.4%
Cuban 39,902 0.4%
Dominican 3,197 0.03%

Central American 705,402 7.23%
Costa Rican 9,579 0.1%
Guatemalan 224,236 2.3%
Honduran 43,313 0.4%
Nicaraguan 38,233 0.4%
Panamanian 4,810 0.05%
Salvadoran 3.78%
Other Central American 16,605 0.2%

South American 121,901 1.2%
Argentinean 19,095 0.2%
Bolivian 5,390 0.1%
Chilean 8,407 0.1%
Colombian 25,582 0.3%
Ecuadorian 19,615 0.2%
Paraguayan 276 0.003%
Peruvian 33,440 0.3%
Uruguayan 1,234 0.01%
Venezuelan 3,529 0.05%
Other South American 5,333 0.05%

Other Hispanic 144,535 1.5%
Spaniard 22,351 0.2%
Spanish 23,108 0.2%
Spanish American 0.01%
All other 1.0%


Title: Re: Los Angeles County Racial/Ethnic Breakdown 1940-2000
Post by: minionofmidas - supplemental forum account on February 08, 2013, 01:55:37 pm
So the Central Americans are all moving to places where the blacks don't want to live anymore?
Areas where people don't want to live have low rents which are attractive to people who don't have high income.   They also go where they might find work in construction - I assume that is the reason for the concentration in Palmdale.
You get minorities (not just Hispanics, Blacks as well) in the new, non-posh exurbs in LA. Construction no doubt is a part of it, but it's also where people went who wanted to buy a plot of their own and couldn't afford it, but during the housing bubble could get a loan anyways... but only so far out that things get cheaper again. See also, the Victor Valley and certain places in Riverside County.


Title: Re: Los Angeles County Racial/Ethnic Breakdown 1940-2000
Post by: bgwah on February 08, 2013, 02:58:20 pm
You can try this site for earlier Hispanic/Asian data: http://www.socialexplorer.com/pub/maps/home.aspx


Title: Re: Los Angeles County Racial/Ethnic Breakdown 1940-2000
Post by: freepcrusher on February 09, 2013, 12:16:06 am
I wonder what any of the longtimers of the area think of the map (paging Torie)


Title: Re: Los Angeles County Racial/Ethnic Breakdown 1940-2000
Post by: Torie on February 09, 2013, 11:15:59 am
I wonder what any of the longtimers of the area think of the map (paging Torie)

Great maps, and I have observed the change with my own eyes over time. Heck, my high school was in Van Nuys, and when I graduated in 1969, my class was but maybe 10% Hispanic (its zone was about one third in upper middle class Encino, and two thirds in the lower middle class portion of Van Nuys).


Title: Re: Los Angeles County Racial/Ethnic Breakdown 1940-2000
Post by: freepcrusher on February 09, 2013, 04:14:14 pm
okay here's the 2010 map with census tracts. Same color scheme Gold=Hispanic Majority; Ivory/Silk = White Majority, Green = No Majority, Red = Majority Asian, Teal=Majority Black, and Brown=No People living there.

Majority Black Tracts went for Obama (all 08 figures) 96.1-3.9
Majority Hispanic Tracts went for Obama 78.1-21.9
No Majority Tracts went for Obama 67.7-32.3
White Majority Tracts went for Obama 63.6-36.4
Asian Majority Tracts went for Obama 60.3-39.7

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Title: Re: Los Angeles County Racial/Ethnic Breakdown 1940-2000
Post by: Oh Jeremy Corbyn! on February 09, 2013, 04:49:18 pm
According to those maps Los Angeles has never had any non-Anglo, non-Hispanic whites?
WTF?


Title: Re: Los Angeles County Racial/Ethnic Breakdown 1940-2000
Post by: Sbane on February 09, 2013, 05:36:48 pm
According to those maps Los Angeles has never had any non-Anglo, non-Hispanic whites?
WTF?

Anglo is just a quick term to describe non-hispanic whites. Not completely accurate, because even if you consider assimilated Irish and Italians to be anglo, Armenians are classified in the same way.


Title: Re: Los Angeles County Racial/Ethnic Breakdown 1940-2000
Post by: freepcrusher on February 09, 2013, 10:07:00 pm
here's one question:
does anyone know if certain areas have a predisposition to white flight. It seems that looking at the map, the areas in LA that have experienced white flight are all in the areas you'd expect, but only in hindsight.


Title: Re: Los Angeles County Racial/Ethnic Breakdown 1940-2000
Post by: Sbane on February 09, 2013, 10:13:06 pm
here's one question:
does anyone know if certain areas have a predisposition to white flight. It seems that looking at the map, the areas in LA that have experienced white flight are all in the areas you'd expect, but only in hindsight.

Can you expand a little more? What areas did you "expect" white flight to happen? I think a lot of it has to do with class and real estate prices.


Title: Re: Los Angeles County Racial/Ethnic Breakdown 1940-2000
Post by: freepcrusher on February 09, 2013, 10:39:00 pm
Quote from: link=topic=169073.msg3620601#msg3620601 date=1360465620
What areas did you "expect" white flight to happen?

well the SE cities for starters (relatively old housing stock, proximity to Watts, considered downscale, terrible smog)


Title: Re: Los Angeles County Racial/Ethnic Breakdown 1940-2000
Post by: Sbane on February 09, 2013, 11:15:06 pm
Yes, the "gateway cities" have seen a lot of white flight with anglos (NHW whatever) moving out and Hispanics moving in. A lot of those people have actually just moved out of California. Fair amount of white flight in the San gabriel valley too, no?


Title: Re: Los Angeles County Racial/Ethnic Breakdown 1940-2000
Post by: Torie on February 10, 2013, 03:49:28 pm
It would be great to have a precinct by precinct ethnic change map for the 2000 and 2010 censuses wouldn't it?


Title: Re: Los Angeles County Racial/Ethnic Breakdown 1940-2000
Post by: Oh Jeremy Corbyn! on February 10, 2013, 05:55:55 pm
According to those maps Los Angeles has never had any non-Anglo, non-Hispanic whites?
WTF?

Anglo is just a quick term to describe non-hispanic whites. Not completely accurate, because even if you consider assimilated Irish and Italians to be anglo, Armenians are classified in the same way.

Not completely accurate?
Are you even serious?
It's totally inaccurate.


Title: Re: Los Angeles County Racial/Ethnic Breakdown 1940-2000
Post by: Sbane on February 10, 2013, 08:46:10 pm
According to those maps Los Angeles has never had any non-Anglo, non-Hispanic whites?
WTF?

Anglo is just a quick term to describe non-hispanic whites. Not completely accurate, because even if you consider assimilated Irish and Italians to be anglo, Armenians are classified in the same way.

Not completely accurate?
Are you even serious?
It's totally inaccurate.

Calm down.


Title: Re: Los Angeles County Racial/Ethnic Breakdown 1940-2000
Post by: Torie on February 10, 2013, 08:51:45 pm
"Anglo" here is a term of art here, just like WASP. I am a WASP, while atheist (I do happen to be Anglo, but some WASPS are not even that - they're German or whatever). Language is complicated. Who knew?


Title: Re: Los Angeles County Racial/Ethnic Breakdown 1940-2000
Post by: jimrtex on February 12, 2013, 12:10:25 am
"Anglo" here is a term of art here, just like WASP. I am a WASP, while atheist (I do happen to be Anglo, but some WASPS are not even that - they're German or whatever). Language is complicated. Who knew?

It beats being a non-person of color.


Title: Re: Los Angeles County Racial/Ethnic Breakdown 1940-2000
Post by: Sbane on February 12, 2013, 12:15:25 am
"Anglo" here is a term of art here, just like WASP. I am a WASP, while atheist (I do happen to be Anglo, but some WASPS are not even that - they're German or whatever). Language is complicated. Who knew?

It beats being a non-person of color.

The real reason to use the term "Anglo" is to differentiate between whites of Hispanic descent and other whites. At least in the context of Southern California.


Title: Re: Los Angeles County Racial/Ethnic Breakdown 1940-2000
Post by: freepcrusher on March 10, 2013, 05:02:47 pm
It would be great to have a precinct by precinct ethnic change map for the 2000 and 2010 censuses wouldn't it?

ask and you shall receive
http://projects.nytimes.com/census/2010/map