Talk Elections

Here is the official voting thread for PREFERENTIAL VOTING. First let me explain to ANY of you, exactaly WHAT Preferential voting is in case you don't understand.

Preferential voting is voting for the candidate you like most, down the the candidate you like least. So....instead of following the American tradition and voting for ONE person...like so:

I Vote for John Doe. (D)

Instead you would follow this procedure:

John Doe (D)
Jack Smith (R)
Frodo Baggins (I)
Mel Gibson (JC)

That is what your ballot would look like under preferential voting.....ASSUMING that you want John Doe to win....and if John Doe doesn't win then you're fine with Jack Smith...but the LAST person you want to win is Mel Gibson of the "Jesus Christ Party" thus you name him last.

Ok....everyone understand now?


Here are the rules of voting:
Vote YES or NO on preferential voting. Once you cast your vote....you cannot change it....because I have now explained what it is.....and there are NO other things to vote for like there was last time...which confused people. There is NO confusion now.

Now.....VOTE!

This thread will stay open from 8pm Friday EST......to 8pm Monday EDT.

LOL! Mel Gibson.

I vote, and proudly vote, NO on pref. voting.  One person, one vote.

NO on preferential voting.

No.

Yes!

No

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I say one person, one vote. So therefore my vote is no on preferential voting.

Sigh...

Preferential voting in no way goes against the principle of "One person, one vote"!
"One person, one vote" means that everyone should be able to vote, and no one should have more votes than anyone else.  How those votes are counted is irrelevant.  I'm sure people in Australia would say that they believe in "one person, one vote".  The principle is meant to counter INEQUALITY (like only people of one race being able to vote, or people with property having their weighted more).  It embodies no claim about procedural specifics.

No

an emphatic yes!
I encourage everyone to vote yes!

NO!!!

HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO NO NO NO NO NO

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Are you gonna vote yourself?

I vote, after some thinking, yes.

yes


and i geuss will keep voting on anything till your view is exepted

Yes.

Preferential voting

1) allows minor parties to actually be elected, on occasion
2) means that any candidate must win a majority of votes to be elected, and therefore has a truly democratic mandate
3) Allows everyone an equal vote, and means that the majority of votes elect the candidate
4) Has worked so well in Australia that it has a Democratic Institution rating of 10.00*, as dpoes the US, a perfect score!
5) Has a civil and Political Liberties rating of 6*, another perfect score the US shares. If the system was so overwhelmingly undemocratic, why would it get perfect scores?
6) Is fairer to voters-their vote will always be important, no matter who they vote for

*Source: www.nationmaster.com

It works, its fairer, and it gives us an easier operation, considering we have three parties. Plus, it sticks to the basic criteria of "one man, one vote"-everyone only gets one vote, and they are all equal.

How can the US get e perfect score???

it's also a great democracy. But note-it was lower on the lsit, and not because of alphabetical order. Australia got a higher 10 then the US, and a higher 6.

Yes.

No.

No

I vote No.

I'd like to encourage everyone to vote yes!
Preferential voting now and forever!

I'd like to encourage the administration, during their cabinet meeting, to declare this issue as already having been settled by the previous vote.

I've said this before and I will say it again.  This isn't Australia, this is America.  Who gives a sh**t about Australia.  Last time I checked, this was Dave Leip's Atlas of U.S. Elections.

I agree totally with Mr. Soult

What I can't get over is how they keep calling this a "partisan effort".  We probably just as many Dems voting against as for.

Can we please keep debate/discussion of the issue out of a voting thread?

I'd like to keep discussion out of a voting thread, but it looks like it's already happening, and also, I second NickG's motion 100%.

The vote stands as follows:

In favor of PV: 6
Against PV: 13

Yeah right I saw a lot more NOs then I saw Yes' I demand a recount.

huh???

that does not seem right.

They most have some good crack up in Boston, lol.

I think Emsworth has it reversed, for what it's worth.

NO
1.  Boss Tweed
2.  Jesus???
3.  Fritz
4.  ShapeShifter
5.  8iron768
6.  Justin
7.  YoungRepub
8.  Reaganfan
9.  supersoulty
10. Atty. Gen. MAS117
11. JohnFKennedy
12. StatesRights
13. Emsworth

YES
1. Nym90
2. Gustaf
3. dunn
4. hughento
5. Michael Z
6. VP Harry

Yes, that's correct. My apologies.

Emsworth, who am I missing in my count?

Didn't Harry vote for?

sorry about that. Thanks.

To be fair, do you have a voting tally of who voted for what in the last voting thread?

Yeah, sure. Why not.

I vote NO...

Final Vote:

FOR Preferential voting: 6

AGAINST Preferential voting: 14


70% of the people who voted....voted against it.....

I hearby declare with my abusive willed executive authority....that Preferential voting has PASSED....

Break out the champagne....and call up the strippers.....

I'm not sure if hughento was trying to vote YES or, like some of us, vocally abstaining.

Well hell.....I'll throw his vote in there too.....and yours as well......so thats 8 to 14....and I'll throw in some dead voters too like they did in Cook County in 1960. But it doesn't matter anymore...I say it passed so it did....you DARE question me?!!?!

I AM THE GREAT.....AND POWERFUL WIZARD OF THE FORUM.....pay no attention to that man behind the curtain......

No one will question me "enforcing" anything now.....

Now, I would hope that you will cease this sarcasm and declare the appropriate result.

Sec. of Forum Affairs Demrepdan most certainly does not have his own agenda independent of the administration. His views on these matters are most definitely an attempt to usurp power from my administration, and I support having him continue on as Secretary. It was most definitely not an abuse of power on his part.

The above statements are contradictory, I believe.

Now that you have finally got involved, Mr President, I suggest that you immediately declare a decision as to what will become of the Regions and Districts. This dilly-dallying should stop now; progress should be made and the constitution ratified.

A decision has been reached, and I cannot hide my overwhelming dissapointment that the members of the forum wanted to use an out-of-date, unfair system. But thats what you've done, so I'll have to put up with it for at least the next little while.

I would also like to register my dissapointment in the way this vote has been run by DRD, in a way that was not at all independent of his opinion, and negatively affected the result in my opinion on preferential voting.

That was unfair, immoral, and I am really quite dissapointed that it was you of all people who did it, dan. Truly unexpected of you.

hmmph....fine......ya big stick in the mud.....I'll declare the results.....*cough*.........*pulls out piece of paper*.....By the circuit court in this year 2004 on the day of......uuhh.....skip skip skip....the Atlas Forum.....blah blah....the procedure of preferential voting....has been defeated....in the 54th vote we've had on this matter....thank you...and good day. *wads up piece of paper and throws it away*

I'm even more confused about your position than I was before you said anything, Nym.  

In last week's press conference, you stated:

"I would oppose any effort to eliminate preferential voting."

Do you stand by this statement?