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Title: ***Politburo Elections*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Gass3268 on September 23, 2013, 11:31:58 PM () Commune one, commune all to the Fall 2013 Labor Party Convention in Atlasia's hot, sweaty Butte! () Atlasia's greatest political party of all time gathers in the wonderful state of Wonderment to do the same thing as it did four months ago. We come to revise our methods of operation. We come to draft our ideals into a concrete, concise platform. We come to communicate with one another and become a more cohesive force. Perhaps most importantly, however: we come to begin the work of electing a President. I would like to thank Adam Griffin for the the creation of our convention banner! There are a number of items that we will address in the coming days – each of which are important and require your attention as a Laborite. These items include:
As with any convention, it is important to have an orderly process. By my calculations, it could take the better part of a month to complete all of these tasks if we only do one at a time. For this reason, we will be conducting business side-by-side; not every aspect of this convention will be conducted at once, but if a particular item is taking too long we will begin working on another subject concurrently. Due to this, I ask that all posts made by Party members within this thread use the following coded system when it pertains to your specific comment at the beginning of each post: [BYL] - By-laws [PLA] – Party Platform [END] – Presidential Endorsement [SEN] – Senatorial Endorsement [CON] – Convention Location Selection This will make record-keeping and reference for all much easier. Radicalized bretzels, bread and roses - along with our convention's favorite of canine con carne - will be served by our robust steelworkers this evening as our guests check in, with formal activities beginning sometime tomorrow. () Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on September 23, 2013, 11:43:32 PM Buttehurt.
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Adam Griffin on September 24, 2013, 12:20:05 AM The R.H.A. continues to thrive in the Labor Party, its one and true butteficiary!
x Adam Griffin Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Gass3268 on September 24, 2013, 12:25:59 AM x Chairman-Senator Gass3268
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: President Tyrion on September 24, 2013, 12:32:55 AM x Pacific Governor TyrionTheImperialist
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Fritz on September 24, 2013, 01:12:23 AM x Fritz
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: sentinel on September 24, 2013, 06:21:21 AM Xsirnick, king in the north
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: TNF on September 24, 2013, 06:29:43 AM x Vice Chairman - Senator TNF
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: sentinel on September 24, 2013, 10:08:45 AM x Рresident Αverroës Hail to the Chief! Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: windjammer on September 24, 2013, 12:39:09 PM xwindjammer MWarchduke
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Dr. Cynic on September 24, 2013, 02:09:42 PM x Northeast Representative Dr. Cynic
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Talleyrand on September 24, 2013, 04:07:59 PM x Talleyrand, Deputy Secretary of Federal Elections
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Ban my account ffs! on September 25, 2013, 12:59:38 AM x Snowguy716
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Ban my account ffs! on September 25, 2013, 01:03:02 AM Pre-emptive statement: There is more talk of introducing an apparatus to the party to expel members for various reasons.
This has become a case of "just keep proposing it until it passes". I don't care how popular such a policy is, or how hard you make it to actually expel members... a party is made up of its members. Allowing top members of the party to have outsized influence on deciding who should or should not be a member of the party is a nonstarter for me. Furthermore, any process for allowing expulsion of party members is a nonstarter for me. I refuse to be a member of a party that believes it can expel a member for any reason. Call it an ultimatum if you wish, but this debate has been had numerous times and it still keeps popping up. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Dr. Cynic on September 25, 2013, 01:42:35 AM I won't support any effort to expel any party members and if it does happen, I will have to leave the party. I simply can't be a part of that, so I'm with Snowguy.
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on September 25, 2013, 01:55:02 AM x Nathan
I'm with Snowguy on this as well. Party discipline is something I struggled with striking a balance on when I was Chairman but I've come to believe that no party should have a set mechanism for unceremoniously expelling people. It both sends the wrong message and is wrong in itself. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on September 25, 2013, 05:49:46 AM x Snowstalker
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: sentinel on September 25, 2013, 07:20:50 AM x Nathan I'm with Snowguy on this as well. Party discipline is something I struggled with striking a balance on when I was Chairman but I've come to believe that no party should have a set mechanism for unceremoniously expelling people. It both sends the wrong message and is wrong in itself. Nathan: Favors Ceremoniously Expelling People From Party - As long as its ceremonious! Bring out the band! Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Njall on September 25, 2013, 01:14:41 PM x Njall
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Ban my account ffs! on September 25, 2013, 01:52:46 PM x Nathan I'm with Snowguy on this as well. Party discipline is something I struggled with striking a balance on when I was Chairman but I've come to believe that no party should have a set mechanism for unceremoniously expelling people. It both sends the wrong message and is wrong in itself. Nathan: Favors Ceremoniously Expelling People From Party - As long as its ceremonious! Bring out the band! Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on September 25, 2013, 07:19:51 PM X Mr. X
Also, I too will leave if people start being expelled. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Gass3268 on September 26, 2013, 12:11:27 AM Laborites! Don't forget to sign in!
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Oakvale on September 26, 2013, 12:43:26 AM X Oakvale.
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on September 26, 2013, 12:50:47 AM x moi
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: bore on September 26, 2013, 10:27:49 AM x senator bore
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on September 26, 2013, 11:01:16 AM x Former Northeast Lieutenant Governor and All-Around Gentleman Alfred F. Jones
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Gass3268 on September 30, 2013, 09:19:26 PM Anyone that is interested in helping me revise the by-laws should PM me and you should PM Senator TNF if you are interested in helping to revise the platform.
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: TNF on September 30, 2013, 10:27:10 PM Anyone that is interested in helping me revise the by-laws should PM me and you should PM Senator TNF if you are interested in helping to revise the platform. Indeed! Any and all comrades that would like to contribute to the writing of the Labor platform should PM me ASAP, as I'm beginning work on it as soon as I get a chance. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: sentinel on October 02, 2013, 08:25:03 PM Trying to make the sample of this poll reflect reality so please vote:
http://www.eSurveysPro.com/Survey.aspx?id=53bb5d93-2726-4066-8607-02403b97c084 Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Talleyrand on October 05, 2013, 08:43:32 PM I am now a candidate for ME Senate. We'll need to have a primary. I assume our bylaws cover that?
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Oakvale on October 05, 2013, 09:10:52 PM In light of Bacon King's announcement I suggest we immediately move to finding a nominee for the Presidency. The election is too important to sit out - we need to push forward and build on Nix's accomplishments, and we who are members of this party know that a Labor Presidency is the best way to accomplish that.
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: LastVoter on October 05, 2013, 09:13:06 PM In light of Bacon King's announcement I suggest we immediately move to finding a nominee for the Presidency. The election is too important to sit out - we need to push forward and build on Nix's accomplishments, and we who are members of this party know that a Labor Presidency is the best way to accomplish that. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Adam Griffin on October 05, 2013, 09:29:39 PM Let's run Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Bacon King on October 05, 2013, 09:32:11 PM x BK
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on October 05, 2013, 09:38:41 PM My fellow Laborites,
As a friend and supporter of Mr. King, I am saddened by his withdrawal from the campaign. It is time to fill that slot, and I have returned from my political hiatus because I feel I am equipped to lead this party to another four months of control of the presidency, and another four months of government by the Atlasian people, for the Atlasian people. Thus, I am announcing that I shall seek this great party's nomination for President of Atlasia. I hope I have your support. () Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Adam Griffin on October 05, 2013, 10:25:20 PM Oh wow, fun facts:
One year ago today, the Labor Party was a joke One year ago today, I was elected as Labor Party Chairman One year ago today, Snowstalker was the Labor Party nominee () Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Oakvale on October 05, 2013, 10:27:17 PM As someone who's certainly had his difference and disagreements with Snowstalker over the last, er, forever, I don't think attacking the only Labor candidate for the Presidency is wise...
This of course does not relate to what could arguably be considered my frequent attacks on Snowstalker as a philosopher over the last, er, two years. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on October 06, 2013, 12:17:40 AM I will apply for your endorsement. While many here think I am the default federalist nominee, I am an independent and voice of The People. Please consider me as such. Thank you! Oh, and I am a former VP of a Labor President. ;)
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Oakvale on October 06, 2013, 12:37:41 AM I enthusiastically support Duke's candidacy for our Presidential endorsement.
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: sentinel on October 06, 2013, 12:39:46 AM The DemPGH/SirNick ticket requests the Labor Party's endorsement.
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: sentinel on October 06, 2013, 12:44:23 AM Oh and Snowstalker, I want you to know that I remember you voting against me for the Labor Party endorsement for Northeast Governor after I voted for you in every one of your miserable campaigns for anything. Just sayin.
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on October 06, 2013, 01:17:26 AM Yes, and I encourage all of you to ask me anything you'd like. I have a record of resurrecting this game, bringing life to it and have a history of activity. If elected or given your nomination, I can promise you I will do all I can to make this game as strong as I possibly can. I have plenty of experience and history with your party and will work with all of you to better the Atlasian worker and individual that we all hold so close to our hearts.
Remember, The Party is a part of The People. I feel the plight of the common man and I understand his struggles. I have never and will never ignore anyone's cries as long as I am in a position to hear them. Thank you all. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: PJ on October 06, 2013, 01:23:06 AM Oh and Snowstalker, I want you to know that I remember you voting against me for the Labor Party endorsement for Northeast Governor after I voted for you in every one of your miserable campaigns for anything. Just sayin. *snaps fingers* Oh no he didn't! :P Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Flake on October 06, 2013, 01:45:36 AM Oh and Snowstalker, I want you to know that I remember you voting against me for the Labor Party endorsement for Northeast Governor after I voted for you in every one of your miserable campaigns for anything. Just sayin. *snaps fingers* Oh no he didn't! :P Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: windjammer on October 06, 2013, 02:24:55 AM So snowstalker, who would your vp be?
A federalist ticket supported by the labor party, well :P. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Dr. Cynic on October 06, 2013, 02:52:38 AM So snowstalker, who would your vp be? A federalist ticket supported by the labor party, well :P. If either of those happen, I'm sorry, I'll have to go to the Progressives. Especially the latter. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: GAworth on October 06, 2013, 02:57:50 AM So snowstalker, who would your vp be? A federalist ticket supported by the labor party, well :P. If either of those happen, I'm sorry, I'll have to go to the Progressives. Especially the latter. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Adam Griffin on October 06, 2013, 03:09:41 AM So snowstalker, who would your vp be? A federalist ticket supported by the labor party, well :P. If either of those happen, I'm sorry, I'll have to go to the Progressives. Especially the latter. This Party has weathered turbulent times before and I am confident we will successfully do so again. Our common bond that pursues a radical homosexual agenda in conjunction with our differences is what has made us so strong in the first place. I'd also like to point out - since nobody ever bothers to read our by-laws - that Snowstalker by default will receive the endorsement of the Labor Party, unless another Labor candidate runs for President. We had an issue in February with a possible coup, and as such, the by-laws were amended to ensure that effectively only a Labor/Labor or Labor/Non-Labor ticket could receive the endorsement (unless no Laborites ran for President). Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: windjammer on October 06, 2013, 07:12:26 AM So snowstalker, who would your vp be? A federalist ticket supported by the labor party, well :P. If either of those happen, I'm sorry, I'll have to go to the Progressives. Especially the latter. This Party has weathered turbulent times before and I am confident we will successfully do so again. Our common bond that pursues a radical homosexual agenda in conjunction with our differences is what has made us so strong in the first place. I'd also like to point out - since nobody ever bothers to read our by-laws - that Snowstalker by default will receive the endorsement of the Labor Party, unless another Labor candidate runs for President. We had an issue in February with a possible coup, and as such, the by-laws were amended to ensure that effectively only a Labor/Labor or Labor/Non-Labor ticket could receive the endorsement (unless no Laborites ran for President). DemPGH/Sirnick are two laborites I guess? Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: PJ on October 06, 2013, 09:10:06 AM So snowstalker, who would your vp be? A federalist ticket supported by the labor party, well :P. If either of those happen, I'm sorry, I'll have to go to the Progressives. Especially the latter. This Party has weathered turbulent times before and I am confident we will successfully do so again. Our common bond that pursues a radical homosexual agenda in conjunction with our differences is what has made us so strong in the first place. I'd also like to point out - since nobody ever bothers to read our by-laws - that Snowstalker by default will receive the endorsement of the Labor Party, unless another Labor candidate runs for President. We had an issue in February with a possible coup, and as such, the by-laws were amended to ensure that effectively only a Labor/Labor or Labor/Non-Labor ticket could receive the endorsement (unless no Laborites ran for President). DemPGH/Sirnick are two laborites I guess? Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Oakvale on October 06, 2013, 09:14:17 AM So snowstalker, who would your vp be? A federalist ticket supported by the labor party, well :P. If either of those happen, I'm sorry, I'll have to go to the Progressives. Especially the latter. There's nothing "progressive" about the Moderate Hero Union. Duke's candidacy represents an opportunity for Atlasians to unite around one leader in a way we haven't seen for some time. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: DemPGH on October 06, 2013, 09:29:39 AM Hi, Labor.
There's a lot I want to say, but I'll try to keep it manageable in length. To preface, I am running, dammit, be it competitive or not, and you know I will be active. First, I left your ranks so I could run a no-pressure Indie campaign, but since then the landscape has changed a bit. When this whole thing started I was about 5th or 6th in line, and now I find myself 2nd in line as it currently stands - together Labor and I can win this. I had no idea any of this would happen, and neither did anyone else. So, I am here, and I share the vast majority of your principles. On policy I've been most lukewarm to regional consolidation, but I signed onto the pledge because I think we need to talk about the subject, I think we need to get it right if we do it, and I suggested earlier that we send the Senate something tangible that they can work with. The pledge seeks to achieve all of that, and I will assist with regional consolidation wholeheartedly if I feel it's being done right and we do not have an overwhelming number of people complaining. I'm sorry Bacon King had to withdraw. He's terrific competition, and it's too bad. I do respect his tenacity and intelligence highly. I promise you, however, that I will more than meet you half way, and I will work with anyone constructive. At least wait to hear out me and SirNick when we release our Labor plank this week! Yes, I do really want you to consider me. Let me know anything possible that I can do! Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 06, 2013, 09:30:03 AM So snowstalker, who would your vp be? A federalist ticket supported by the labor party, well :P. If either of those happen, I'm sorry, I'll have to go to the Progressives. Especially the latter. There's nothing "progressive" about the Moderate Hero Union. Duke's candidacy represents an opportunity for Atlasians to unite around one leader in a way we haven't seen for some time. While I have some issues with elements of Duke's campaign, I would strongly consider putting my support behind him. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: PJ on October 06, 2013, 09:40:05 AM So snowstalker, who would your vp be? A federalist ticket supported by the labor party, well :P. If either of those happen, I'm sorry, I'll have to go to the Progressives. Especially the latter. There's nothing "progressive" about the Moderate Hero Union. Duke's candidacy represents an opportunity for Atlasians to unite around one leader in a way we haven't seen for some time. Progressives to your left economically: Myself Siren Scott Oak Hills Tiver Superique Butafly GAWorth Yeahsayyeah Kashifsikhan Progressives to your left socially: Myself Scott Tiver butafly Yeahsayyeah Marnetmar A majority of progressives are economically to your left and a near-majority is socially to your left. Not to mention that the Federalist party candidate is to your left in both economics and social issues. I'd hold off on calling people not progressive enough when they're to your left on the spectrum. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on October 06, 2013, 11:01:52 AM Oh and Snowstalker, I want you to know that I remember you voting against me for the Labor Party endorsement for Northeast Governor after I voted for you in every one of your miserable campaigns for anything. Just sayin. Yes, that was a dick move of me. And yes, my presidential campaign last year was...miserable. But aside my, ahem, occasional forum trolling, I think I've matured as a poster and hopefully as a candidate. I want to continue the service I've given to Atlasia in the past. I know the odds are against me even if I do win the Labor nod, but I want to run a campaign for an Atlasia by As for the VP pick, that is as of yet undecided (well it is kind of decided, but said pick is undecided on whether to join the ticket). Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on October 06, 2013, 12:10:04 PM I support my Vice President's bid for the presidency, and I hope that my colleagues in the Labor Party will consider doing the same. This is someone who cast the tie-breaking vote (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=179024.0) in favor of the Paid Leave Act, supports regional consolidation (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=179094.msg3867767#msg3867767), and opposed Yankee's bloated mental health bill (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=172931.msg3832082#msg3832082). DemPGH has worked hard to support my presidency and to make the game function over the past four months, as he did before that under President Marokai. He's also chosen one of the most promising up-and-coming Laborites as his running mate, Governor Sirnick. Supporting the de facto Federalist ticket would be a step back for Labor and an admission of irrelevancy. As fond as I am of Duke, I can't support a ticket that is based on the failed doctrine of "regional rights," that won't stand up to Yankee, and that is unlikely to build on the past achievements of our party. We have the chance to support a serious candidate of the left, and we should do that. Welllll that is not entirely true. I have not come to a conclusion of what needs to be done to spur the regions. I have said multiple times this is not something we can take lightly, as these regions all have historical traditions and borders we must consider, but I have acknowledged there is a problem and something needs to be done to fix it. I have not come out and said I support this or that, but that doesn't mean I am going to sit back and let it fail while clinging to the regions right moniker. Surely you know me better than that! I want nothing more than an active game. I have worked years to create that environment, with you and many others. Anyone who believes I would be OK with where things are heading could not be more wrong. As for the health bill, I worked with him for months on it. Perhaps it was bloated, but as a Senate body and President, I am confident we can work together to cut out the unnecessary spending but accomplish what we sought out to accomplish when we began writing it a while ago. Mental health reform will continue to be a goal of mine. No, I will not simply use the same bill and ram it through, but I will not ignore the problems either. I'm sure that's something we can all agree on. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Oakvale on October 06, 2013, 12:47:25 PM So snowstalker, who would your vp be? A federalist ticket supported by the labor party, well :P. If either of those happen, I'm sorry, I'll have to go to the Progressives. Especially the latter. There's nothing "progressive" about the Moderate Hero Union. Duke's candidacy represents an opportunity for Atlasians to unite around one leader in a way we haven't seen for some time. Progressives to your left economically: Myself Siren Scott Oak Hills Tiver Superique Butafly GAWorth Yeahsayyeah Kashifsikhan Progressives to your left socially: Myself Scott Tiver butafly Yeahsayyeah Marnetmar A majority of progressives are economically to your left and a near-majority is socially to your left. Not to mention that the Federalist party candidate is to your left in both economics and social issues. I'd hold off on calling people not progressive enough when they're to your left on the spectrum. Yes, this would be a valid point if we pretend that one's positions on the "political spectrum" as determined by the Political Matrix test are in any way a meaningful indicator of progressivism. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on October 06, 2013, 12:50:05 PM Haven't we moved on from name-calling?
You don't have to agree with the Progressive Union... but have the courtesy to address it by its proper name. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Oakvale on October 06, 2013, 01:03:46 PM Haven't we moved on from name-calling? You don't have to agree with the Progressive Union... but have the courtesy to address it by its proper name. The "TNF is too mean!" Party? Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: PJ on October 06, 2013, 03:15:40 PM Haven't we moved on from name-calling? You don't have to agree with the Progressive Union... but have the courtesy to address it by its proper name. The "TNF is too mean!" Party? So snowstalker, who would your vp be? A federalist ticket supported by the labor party, well :P. If either of those happen, I'm sorry, I'll have to go to the Progressives. Especially the latter. There's nothing "progressive" about the Moderate Hero Union. Duke's candidacy represents an opportunity for Atlasians to unite around one leader in a way we haven't seen for some time. Progressives to your left economically: Myself Siren Scott Oak Hills Tiver Superique Butafly GAWorth Yeahsayyeah Kashifsikhan Progressives to your left socially: Myself Scott Tiver butafly Yeahsayyeah Marnetmar A majority of progressives are economically to your left and a near-majority is socially to your left. Not to mention that the Federalist party candidate is to your left in both economics and social issues. I'd hold off on calling people not progressive enough when they're to your left on the spectrum. Yes, this would be a valid point if we pretend that one's positions on the "political spectrum" as determined by the Political Matrix test are in any way a meaningful indicator of progressivism. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: DemPGH on October 06, 2013, 03:46:15 PM I want to thank the President for his support and to say that one of the great pleasures of the game thus far has been campaigning and working with him. I think we have made a great tandem; similarly, the same responsiveness and passion for the game is there between Nick and myself. We would make superb, responsible representatives of Labor.
I am strongly considering a return to the Labor Party because simply put, you should have a formidable, serious contender in this race. A few Laborites have asked me if I would be interested in returning; frankly, I would – because it is my closest philosophical home, although I enjoy positive relationships with people in other parties (like the Pro Union), and I can work well with them. If you are considering a Federalist, you may as well consider me. I left your party to become an Independent for no other reason than to give myself a chance to run. At that time the race consisted of Spamage, Bacon King, and me. Since then the landscape has changed significantly with further changes in the wind. I have supported progressive causes, and I will support regional consolidation that carries broad support. So I implore you to not get lost in this thing and allow me to be your representative in the Presidential race! Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on October 06, 2013, 04:05:38 PM I am strongly considering a return to the Labor Party because simply put, you should have a formidable, serious contender in this race. I knew from the outset that this campaign would be an uphill battle, with this as my steepest obstacle. Yes, I'm viewed by many most as a hyperbolic kid. But I have a past in Atlasia, serving as Representative, Governor, and both regional and at-large Senator. I've sponsored or cosponsored several pieces of legislation (including a fairly important labor rights bill), and was of course the nominee in October 2012. I don't have the best reputation in Atlasia, and I fully accept that, but to say I'm not a serious candidate is a tad of a stretch. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Dr. Cynic on October 06, 2013, 04:20:19 PM Look, I don't think we can allow Snowstalker to be our nominee because I don't feel he's electable. I can't fathom this party supporting the Federalists either. If this really is going to become an issue, I'll primary him, because I don't feel Snowstalker can win.
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Oakvale on October 06, 2013, 04:23:37 PM Look, I don't think we can allow Snowstalker to be our nominee because I don't feel he's electable. I can't fathom this party supporting the Federalists either. If this really is going to become an issue, I'll primary him, because I don't feel Snowstalker can win. I'm inclined to agree with the first point, unfortunately, but since DemPGH is apparently cynically deciding to rejoin the party in his quest for, er, a nomination coronation, you might not have to worry. This is, obviously, coming from the position of someone who's no stranger to party switches, so I know of what I speak. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: DemPGH on October 06, 2013, 04:29:12 PM Snowstalker, I never called you a hyperbolic kid, man! I'm just looking at polling.
Folks, this party at this juncture needs a uniter - someone who will represent 1) progressive interests, 2) be constructive, and 3) work well with the other centrist and left-leaning parties. I'll bring that to you instantly. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Oakvale on October 06, 2013, 04:31:10 PM Snowstalker, I never called you a hyperbolic kid, man! I'm just looking at polling. Folks, this party at this juncture needs a uniter - someone who will represent 1) progressive interests, 2) be constructive, and 3) work well with the other centrist and left-leaning parties. I'll bring that to you instantly. I agree with all those points, Mr. Vice-President, hence my support for Duke. ;) Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Kitteh on October 06, 2013, 04:35:28 PM Comrades,
The departure of the DeleGAtion from this race is a very sad day for Atlasia. BK and AG are two of my closest friends here. As I've noted in the past I wouldn't even be in this game if it weren't for them; I found this place through a thread BK made and Adam was the one who first PM'd me asking me to run as a Labor candidate for the Mideast assembly election almost exactly a year ago. This took most of us by surprise and not in a good way, and with the rapidly changing landscape of this race in the wake of their withdrawal it was necessary for me to make a snap decision. Looking at the other candidates in the race we have a Federalist, a power-hungry anti-reform VP/AG who has continually abused the legal system to block the will of The People and any change to the status quo, and uh well Snowstalker...yeah. I had never before considered a serious run for President, but looking at this field I feel like we need another alternative. That's why I've decided to run and seek the Labor nomination. I haven't had time to put together a bullet-point list of all the policies that I'll enact as President, but that's not what we need right now. What we need is something different. As you all know, the status quo in Atlasia is unacceptable and unsustainable. But a number of people with vested interests in preserving the current setup have fought back against change and will continue to do so for as long as this place exists. That's why I believe I should be Labor's candidate for President. I'm the only person in this race with a record of fighting for reform, and as I'm sure you all can tell my administration would be very different from anything Atlasia has ever seen before. My switch back to the Labor party for this run has been a change in label more than substance. I started this game as a member of Labor and helped our party become the most powerful force in the Mideast for a brief period, before the likes of ZuWo, Inks, JCL and loldiesfreak took over that region. I've always considered myself a part of Labor at heart if not on paper. The Movement and Labor make natural allies, as the only parties seriously interested in changing how this place works. In short, I hope you will consider me for the Labor nomination in this election, as the only candidate who can bring the change that Labor wants and Atlasia needs. Solidarity, Kitteh <3 Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: DemPGH on October 06, 2013, 04:38:11 PM Snowstalker, I never called you a hyperbolic kid, man! I'm just looking at polling. Folks, this party at this juncture needs a uniter - someone who will represent 1) progressive interests, 2) be constructive, and 3) work well with the other centrist and left-leaning parties. I'll bring that to you instantly. I agree with all those points, Mr. Vice-President, hence my support for Duke. ;) Oh? Can you point me to his current platform? I'm not seeking a coronation. . . only a chance. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Oakvale on October 06, 2013, 04:43:20 PM While I will be standing by my support of nominating Duke, I urge my fellow Laborites to give the reformist candidacy of Kitteh, the Gene McCarthy of Atlasia, the serious consideration it merits.
If nothing else, I look forward to an exciting primary that wasn't on the cards as recently as a few days ago. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: sentinel on October 06, 2013, 05:27:56 PM Oh and Snowstalker, I want you to know that I remember you voting against me for the Labor Party endorsement for Northeast Governor after I voted for you in every one of your miserable campaigns for anything. Just sayin. Yes, that was a dick move of me. And yes, my presidential campaign last year was...miserable. But aside my, ahem, occasional forum trolling, I think I've matured as a poster and hopefully as a candidate. I want to continue the service I've given to Atlasia in the past. I know the odds are against me even if I do win the Labor nod, but I want to run a campaign for an Atlasia by As for the VP pick, that is as of yet undecided (well it is kind of decided, but said pick is undecided on whether to join the ticket). I think you need to step aside. You were the top of the ticket and lost by a 23 point margin. I don't want this election to be a repeat. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Kitteh on October 06, 2013, 05:33:45 PM Oh and Snowstalker, I want you to know that I remember you voting against me for the Labor Party endorsement for Northeast Governor after I voted for you in every one of your miserable campaigns for anything. Just sayin. Yes, that was a dick move of me. And yes, my presidential campaign last year was...miserable. But aside my, ahem, occasional forum trolling, I think I've matured as a poster and hopefully as a candidate. I want to continue the service I've given to Atlasia in the past. I know the odds are against me even if I do win the Labor nod, but I want to run a campaign for an Atlasia by As for the VP pick, that is as of yet undecided (well it is kind of decided, but said pick is undecided on whether to join the ticket). I think you need to step aside. You were the top of the ticket and lost by a 23 point margin. I don't want this election to be a repeat. You guys remember when everyone had those "don't blame me, I voted for Snowstalker" signs in their sigs? lol (for you newbies, that was in the bottom of Napoleon's presidency, when his approval was in the single digits) Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Oakvale on October 06, 2013, 05:44:00 PM Oh and Snowstalker, I want you to know that I remember you voting against me for the Labor Party endorsement for Northeast Governor after I voted for you in every one of your miserable campaigns for anything. Just sayin. Yes, that was a dick move of me. And yes, my presidential campaign last year was...miserable. But aside my, ahem, occasional forum trolling, I think I've matured as a poster and hopefully as a candidate. I want to continue the service I've given to Atlasia in the past. I know the odds are against me even if I do win the Labor nod, but I want to run a campaign for an Atlasia by As for the VP pick, that is as of yet undecided (well it is kind of decided, but said pick is undecided on whether to join the ticket). I think you need to step aside. You were the top of the ticket and lost by a 23 point margin. I don't want this election to be a repeat. You guys remember when everyone had those "don't blame me, I voted for Snowstalker" signs in their sigs? lol (for you newbies, that was in the bottom of Napoleon's presidency, when his approval was in the single digits) It's also worth remembering that as much as I've harangued Snowstalker, at the time Napoleon was very popular, coming off a successful first term, and running with a well-respected Labor VP. Any independent Labor candidate would have been clobbered. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on October 06, 2013, 05:48:52 PM Honestly, I expected to do a lot worse against Napoleon that year (I was shocked to get second).
I welcome the competition from my friend/running mate for three days Comrade Kitteh. But I hope the party delegates will remember which candidate not only didn't just join the party today,but was a founding member (and gave us the name Labor Party). ;) Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on October 06, 2013, 06:03:00 PM That was my other main reservation on running, and I admit that to be a genuine fault in my campaign. But if it makes any difference, I've been doing my research and hope to hobble together a platform with some assistance. At the same time, perhaps there's a good side in an outsider campaign. Perhaps this is like 1968, and I'm Nixon and DemPGH is Rockefeller. :P
If the party nominates DemPGH and Sirnick (or Drj and ???) over me, I'll accept that. But I hope, again, that I am worthy of your consideration. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Kitteh on October 06, 2013, 06:12:13 PM Yeah I agree with everything that's been said here, for those of us who remember, Snowstalker coming in second was actually a bit of an upset. And I too am proud to have voted for him over the total failure that was Nap's 2nd term.
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Sec. of State Superique on October 06, 2013, 06:45:27 PM May I suggest: Talleyrand for President?
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Talleyrand on October 06, 2013, 06:50:12 PM May I suggest: Talleyrand for President? I appreciate the thought, but I don't think I'd be a very good President. At the very least, not better than the candidates already in the race (even Snowstalker :P). Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: sentinel on October 06, 2013, 06:57:03 PM My point in bringing up Snowstalker's performance was really that we don't want an Adlai Stevenson.
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Maxwell on October 06, 2013, 06:59:32 PM I would love Snowstalker as the nominee. Cogendism and Sagery Unite, let's put an end to Capitalism!
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on October 06, 2013, 07:01:13 PM Well, if DemPGH ends up receiving the Labor Party's endorsement (not that I have any say over it), hopefully that will lead to certain people's egos undergoing a much needed deflation.
(Though a Snowstalker administration would be interesting. I'd love to see how this 'cogendism' thing gets carried out...) Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Kitteh on October 06, 2013, 07:04:03 PM FWIW, if DemPGH wins the Labor nomination I will continue my campaign as an independent or NMAM candidate, and give Duke my 2nd preference ahead of him.
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Oakvale on October 06, 2013, 07:07:49 PM My point in bringing up Snowstalker's performance was really that we don't want an Adlai Stevenson. I'm not sure how comparing Snowstalker to an icon of American liberalism is a negative. :P Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Sec. of State Superique on October 06, 2013, 08:24:20 PM FWIW, if DemPGH wins the Labor nomination I will continue my campaign as an independent or NMAM candidate, and give Duke my 2nd preference ahead of him. () Comandante "Heloísa Helena" Kitteh up in arms! Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Kitteh on October 06, 2013, 11:04:54 PM So snowstalker, who would your vp be? A federalist ticket supported by the labor party, well :P. If either of those happen, I'm sorry, I'll have to go to the Progressives. Especially the latter. There's nothing "progressive" about the Moderate Hero Union. Duke's candidacy represents an opportunity for Atlasians to unite around one leader in a way we haven't seen for some time. Progressives to your left economically: Myself Siren Scott Oak Hills Tiver Superique Butafly GAWorth Yeahsayyeah Kashifsikhan Progressives to your left socially: Myself Scott Tiver butafly Yeahsayyeah Marnetmar A majority of progressives are economically to your left and a near-majority is socially to your left. Not to mention that the Federalist party candidate is to your left in both economics and social issues. I'd hold off on calling people not progressive enough when they're to your left on the spectrum. Yes, this would be a valid point if we pretend that one's positions on the "political spectrum" as determined by the Political Matrix test are in any way a meaningful indicator of progressivism. A meaningless buzzword invented because American conservatives have successfully demonized the word "liberal", which was itself a meaningless term invented to differentiate "mainstream" American leftists from socialism after socialism had become demonized in the same way. Or, a historical movement of the late Gilded Age composed mostly of upper/upper-middle-class people who sympathized with the plight of the poor and wanted to fix the problems of their time but in a way that didn't challenge their own fundamentally privileged place in society; who left a mixed legacy, on balance positive but with many negative aspects that their modern-day admirers often overlook. Take your pick. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Adam Griffin on October 06, 2013, 11:14:10 PM So snowstalker, who would your vp be? A federalist ticket supported by the labor party, well :P. If either of those happen, I'm sorry, I'll have to go to the Progressives. Especially the latter. There's nothing "progressive" about the Moderate Hero Union. Duke's candidacy represents an opportunity for Atlasians to unite around one leader in a way we haven't seen for some time. Progressives to your left economically: Myself Siren Scott Oak Hills Tiver Superique Butafly GAWorth Yeahsayyeah Kashifsikhan Progressives to your left socially: Myself Scott Tiver butafly Yeahsayyeah Marnetmar A majority of progressives are economically to your left and a near-majority is socially to your left. Not to mention that the Federalist party candidate is to your left in both economics and social issues. I'd hold off on calling people not progressive enough when they're to your left on the spectrum. Yes, this would be a valid point if we pretend that one's positions on the "political spectrum" as determined by the Political Matrix test are in any way a meaningful indicator of progressivism. Not trying to wade too much into this, but PM scores are only good for figuring out whether someone is recruitable material or not - and even then, it's not 100% accurate (hell, the only reason the Liberal Party stayed afloat for so long was because they were getting 1/3 of Labor's PM recruits). Ben Kenobi, FFS, had a centrist E or S score (can't remember which). I always consider people's ideologies within Atlasia based on who they vote for, not what they say. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Adam Griffin on October 07, 2013, 02:18:44 AM Also, when is this Presidential primary occurring?
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Dr. Cynic on October 07, 2013, 01:39:32 PM FWIW, if DemPGH wins the Labor nomination I will continue my campaign as an independent or NMAM candidate, and give Duke my 2nd preference ahead of him. But you think we should give you the Labor nomination of DemPGH for what reason exactly? Balls to that. It is occurring to me with ever increasing alarm that this party will be completely torn apart and that the Federalists will get power anyway. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: windjammer on October 07, 2013, 01:45:26 PM FWIW, if DemPGH wins the Labor nomination I will continue my campaign as an independent or NMAM candidate, and give Duke my 2nd preference ahead of him. I think some of us don't care about what you think. If you want to give Duke the 2nd preference, you can. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Dr. Cynic on October 07, 2013, 01:52:05 PM FWIW, if DemPGH wins the Labor nomination I will continue my campaign as an independent or NMAM candidate, and give Duke my 2nd preference ahead of him. I think some of us don't care about what you think. If you want to give Duke the 2nd preference, you can. Register back with NMAM then, because at this point, after your comments, I will do all that is in my power to make sure you are not endorsed by this party. I'd have us endorse Snowstalker over you. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Kitteh on October 07, 2013, 01:53:21 PM FWIW, if DemPGH wins the Labor nomination I will continue my campaign as an independent or NMAM candidate, and give Duke my 2nd preference ahead of him. But you think we should give you the Labor nomination of DemPGH for what reason exactly? Balls to that. It is occurring to me with ever increasing alarm that this party will be completely torn apart and that the Federalists will get power anyway. Duke isn't some scary evil conservative-he was on our ticket just 2 elections ago ffs. I'm not excited or terrified about the idea of him winning, but I'd take him over someone who's entire career has been built on incessantly filing frivolous lawsuits against anyone working for change. This isn't about left vs right, there's only a small difference there btw Duke and DemPGH anyway. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Dr. Cynic on October 07, 2013, 01:56:45 PM FWIW, if DemPGH wins the Labor nomination I will continue my campaign as an independent or NMAM candidate, and give Duke my 2nd preference ahead of him. But you think we should give you the Labor nomination of DemPGH for what reason exactly? Balls to that. It is occurring to me with ever increasing alarm that this party will be completely torn apart and that the Federalists will get power anyway. Duke isn't some scary evil conservative-he was on our ticket just 2 elections ago ffs. I'm not excited or terrified about the idea of him winning, but I'd take him over someone who's entire career has been built on incessantly filing frivolous lawsuits against anyone working for change. This isn't about left vs right, there's only a small difference there btw Duke and DemPGH anyway. Then do what you want to do. Why should this party endorse the ticket of our party's chief competitor? What you do is fine, but I don't feel that's the sort of change I want. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Gass3268 on October 07, 2013, 02:01:41 PM Also, when is this Presidential primary occurring? We need to adopt new by-laws and a new platform first. BTW Adam Griffin and President Nix have been named to the by-laws committee. We will hopefully have something posted on here soon. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Kitteh on October 07, 2013, 02:02:55 PM FWIW, if DemPGH wins the Labor nomination I will continue my campaign as an independent or NMAM candidate, and give Duke my 2nd preference ahead of him. But you think we should give you the Labor nomination of DemPGH for what reason exactly? Balls to that. It is occurring to me with ever increasing alarm that this party will be completely torn apart and that the Federalists will get power anyway. Duke isn't some scary evil conservative-he was on our ticket just 2 elections ago ffs. I'm not excited or terrified about the idea of him winning, but I'd take him over someone who's entire career has been built on incessantly filing frivolous lawsuits against anyone working for change. This isn't about left vs right, there's only a small difference there btw Duke and DemPGH anyway. Then do what you want to do. Why should this party endorse the ticket of our party's chief competitor? What you do is fine, but I don't feel that's the sort of change I want. I never said I want the Labor party to endorse Duke. If I did I wouldn't be asking them to endorse me, obvs :p. I just said that in the case that the party endorses DemPGH I (and a very large contingent of this party) would break with them and support Duke over him. I'm pretty sure this is a hypothetical though because the chances of DemPGH winning the labor nomination are extremely small. Look at this poll, for example (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=180200.0), Laborites would prefer Duke to him, and only 30% of Labor would even vote for DemPGH! This is entirely confirmed by private polling I've done. The president aside, there really isn't support for DemPGH in Labor. He should have realized that he can't rely on the party for support sometimes, stab them in the back others, then come back begging for support again and expect people to be receptive. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on October 07, 2013, 02:09:49 PM I hate to keep self-advertising, but remember which of the possible Labor candidates was actually a party member before yesterday. ;)
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Kitteh on October 07, 2013, 02:11:53 PM I hate to keep self-advertising, but remember which of the possible Labor candidates was actually a party member before yesterday. ;) Not really a fair accusation, I started off as a Labor member, I've held more offices under the Labor banner than any other, I've voted for the Labor ticket in every presidential election (including over the NMAM ticket once) and I've always been an ally and supporter of Labor from the outside or the inside. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: TNF on October 07, 2013, 02:12:25 PM The Platform is nearly complete, I'm just putting the finishing touches on it. Look for it sometime this week (probably closer to tomorrow or Wednesday).
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Maxwell on October 07, 2013, 02:13:14 PM I hate to keep self-advertising, but remember which of the possible Labor candidates was actually a party member before yesterday. ;) Indeed. It's a shame that the Labor Party is even THINKING about picking a non-purist, non-cogendist nominee. Why, it's downright despicable ;) Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: sentinel on October 07, 2013, 02:19:29 PM I hate to keep self-advertising, but remember which of the possible Labor candidates was actually a party member before yesterday. ;) Indeed. It's a shame that the Labor Party is even THINKING about picking a non-purist, non-cogendist nominee. Why, it's downright despicable ;) http://oxforddictionaries.com/us/spellcheck/american_english/?q=cogendist http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cogendist http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/spellcheck/american-english/?q=cogendist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=cogendist&go=Go Explain, please. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Maxwell on October 07, 2013, 02:22:55 PM Snowstalker's very own paternalistic leftist ideology.
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Kitteh on October 07, 2013, 02:23:39 PM I mean no attack on the platform or bylaws committee, they're doing fine work and working as fast as reasonably possible, but we really don't have time to wait for this. We have 11 days until this election, if we wait another two or three to vote and then a day or two for voting we're going to have barely a week or less before the election with a nominee. Ending this chaos should be this party's #1 priority right now.
I believe, though, that the party's bylaws do not strictly require us to conclude the platform and bylaws revisions prior to endorsement voting. The relevant section: III. ESTABLISHMENT & MANAGEMENT OF CONVENTIONS 3. Each convention will have the following agenda: a. Updating and amending the Party by-laws b. Updating and amending the Party platform c. Endorsements for the upcoming Atlasia Federal Elections d. Special and irregular business put forward by the Politburo e. Establishing the date and city for the upcoming convention It does not specify that those items of business must be undertaken in that order. In fact, in the last convention, they weren't: [END] Seeing as how the platform committee is still working on the final pieces before proposal, we will now be moving straight to our Presidential endorsement. There is precedent for holding an endorsement vote while the platform and bylaws are not yet completed, and I believe it is in our party's interest to do so. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: DemPGH on October 07, 2013, 02:25:25 PM Kitteh's statements are of course beyond ridiculous (Kitteh, of course, campaigned on putting cat pictures in the Wiki, and was endorsed by Oakvale). I want to see this party thrive and be constructive, not go down the path those two have put before you, and so I am here to obtain your nomination for President. Keep an eye on my campaign thread, as we have a little more to go.
Choose Dr. Cynic or Snowstalker if you don't want me. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Adam Griffin on October 07, 2013, 02:28:46 PM [STATEMENTS ABOUT ORDER OF BUSINESS IN CONVENTIONS] This would be the case. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Oakvale on October 07, 2013, 02:32:27 PM Kitteh's statements are of course beyond ridiculous (Kitteh, of course, campaigned on putting cat pictures in the Wiki, and was endorsed by Oakvale). I want to see this party thrive and be constructive, not go down the path those two have put before you, and so I am here to obtain your nomination for President. Keep an eye on my campaign thread, as we have a little more to go. Choose Dr. Cynic or Snowstalker if you don't want me. I absolutely supported Kitteh's protest campaign against the Pacific's counterproductive recall culture, and would do so again, but I digress. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Kitteh on October 07, 2013, 02:43:39 PM Snowstalker's very own paternalistic leftist ideology. I just ran a search, it seems he deleted that thread sadly. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Dr. Cynic on October 07, 2013, 02:50:24 PM I'm putting my name forward for the Labor nomination for President if you guys don't want DemPGH. To me, Labor should at least nominate an electable candidate. So, I ask my name be put on the ballot primary and for you to consider me ahead of a Federalist or an unelectable candidate.
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Fritz on October 07, 2013, 03:33:36 PM I think DemPGH is electable, and so far I support his candidacy.
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Dr. Cynic on October 07, 2013, 03:34:56 PM I think DemPGH is electable, and so far I support his candidacy. I agree. I merely put myself forward as the alternative if people didn't want him to keep an unelectable candidate from getting the nod. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Kitteh on October 07, 2013, 03:38:34 PM Dr Cynic, if you win the nomination, do you intend to continue to run, against DemPGH? Or will you drop out and endorse him after the convention? I'm confused by what your candidacy is trying to achieve, if you'd rather have DemPGH than yourself then why run?
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Dr. Cynic on October 07, 2013, 03:43:30 PM Dr Cynic, if you win the nomination, do you intend to continue to run, against DemPGH? Or will you drop out and endorse him after the convention? I'm confused by what your candidacy is trying to achieve, if you'd rather have DemPGH than yourself then why run? If he wins the nomination, I will happily drop out. If I win, I will continue on. My candidacy would simply be to give Labor a decent nominee. I feel DemPGH should be that nominee. But if he's not, I'd rather give the party an actual nominee. If we nominate Snowstalker even, I would not continue on, because I feel it's important Labor has a nominee. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: sentinel on October 07, 2013, 03:50:25 PM Lets vote on this. Enough talking.
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: TNF on October 07, 2013, 03:52:06 PM Lets vote on this. Enough talking. I object to having a vote just yet. We should let each of the candidates address the convention and tell us what they'd bring to the table. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Dr. Cynic on October 07, 2013, 04:03:13 PM I'll address the convention...
Fellow Laborites, Comrades... I have put my name forward for nomination for only one reason. That is to protect the Labor Party itself. I feel it would be an awful idea for Labor not to have its own nominee when the Federalists and Progressive Union will. In all honesty, I believe DemPGH and SirNick should be the Labor ticket. However, the number of people who were openly hostile to DemPGH's candidacy and polling suggested that many in Labor were more willing to have a Federalist as the nominee than DemPGH. On top of that, we have seen some NMAM encroachment on our party. I like Snowstalker as well, but I don't feel he could be an electable candidate. Adam Griffin agreed to join a ticket with me for the purposes of the party ballot. I also felt he deserved to be on a ticket after the withdrawal of Bacon King. If DemPGH is not to your liking (I believe he should be though), then consider me as the only other potential Labor candidate who can run an electable campaign. I ask the Labor Party to consider DemPGH as their first option, but if not, consider me as a second. I can't promise to win, but what's important is that the party has a nominee who truly will represent the Labor banner and not another party's. Thank you. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: sentinel on October 07, 2013, 04:20:13 PM Lets vote on this. Enough talking. I object to having a vote just yet. We should let each of the candidates address the convention and tell us what they'd bring to the table. Oh yes, lets do that first. Then vote! Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Gass3268 on October 07, 2013, 04:22:18 PM The by-laws as currently written, we can only endorse a Labor member. So our only current choices are Snowstalker, DRJ and Dr. Cynic.
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: President Tyrion on October 07, 2013, 04:28:15 PM If there is only one Labor candidate in the race, does he/she get the official party endorsement automatically?
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: TNF on October 07, 2013, 04:46:49 PM The by-laws as currently written, we can only endorse a Labor member. So our only current choices are Snowstalker, DRJ and Dr. Cynic. DemPGH is now a party member once again, comrade. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Gass3268 on October 07, 2013, 05:27:58 PM If there is only one Labor candidate in the race, does he/she get the official party endorsement automatically? Yes. The by-laws as currently written, we can only endorse a Labor member. So our only current choices are Snowstalker, DRJ and Dr. Cynic. DemPGH is now a party member once again, comrade. I see that, DemPGH will also be eligible. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Gass3268 on October 07, 2013, 07:01:14 PM Due to incompetence by the Chairman (I'm so sorry!), I am declaring a Labor emergency and bypassing the by-laws to start the Labor Primary right now. Election will last 3 days and will close on Thursday at 8:00pm Eastern Time.
Quote President Vice President DemPGH / Northeast Governor SirNick [ ] Northeast Representative Dr. Cynic / Former Vice President Adam Griffin [ ] Pacific Councilor drj101 / No VP chosen yet [ ] Former Senator Snowstalker / No VP chosen yet [ ] Mideast Senate Mideast Assemblyman Mr. X [ ] Former SoEA Talleyrand [ ] Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Dr. Cynic on October 07, 2013, 07:21:43 PM President
[2] Vice President DemPGH / Northeast Governor SirNick [1] Northeast Representative Dr. Cynic / Former Vice President Adam Griffin [3] Former Senator Snowstalker / No VP chosen yet [4] Pacific Councilor drj101 / No VP chosen yet Mideast Senate [1] Former SoEA Talleyrand [2] Mideast Assemblyman Mr. X Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on October 07, 2013, 07:34:26 PM President
Vice President DemPGH / Northeast Governor SirNick [1] Northeast Representative Dr. Cynic / Former Vice President Adam Griffin [2] Pacific Councilor drj101 / No VP chosen yet [4] Former Senator Snowstalker / No VP chosen yet [3] Mideast Senate Mideast Assemblyman Mr. X [1] Former SoEA Talleyrand [2] Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: sentinel on October 07, 2013, 07:34:36 PM President
[1] Vice President DemPGH / Northeast Governor SirNick [2] Northeast Representative Dr. Cynic / Former Vice President Adam Griffin [3] Former Senator Snowstalker / No VP chosen yet [4] Pacific Councilor drj101 / No VP chosen yet Mideast Senate [1] Former SoEA Talleyrand [2] Mideast Assemblyman Mr. X Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on October 07, 2013, 08:56:33 PM [1] Former Senator Snowstalker / No VP chosen yet
[2] Pacific Councilor drj101 / No VP chosen yet [3] Northeast Representative Dr. Cynic / Former Vice President Adam Griffin [4] Vice President DemPGH / Northeast Governor SirNick Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: DemPGH on October 07, 2013, 09:01:18 PM I would like to address the convention.
This party has been a live, constructive fortress for progressivism, and I want to help it remain that way. Look, I've heard from a few of you - friend and foe alike - and I've been pleasantly surprised by what you have had to say to me. Here's what I want to say: Let's just work together. Every day is a new day, and if you give me a chance I'll give you a chance. If you work with me, I'll work with you. It must be that way. On issues, I'll support regional consolidation (4 or 3 regions) that has broad support and which does not leave an overwhelming number of people complaining. Civil Rights: In short, choice is power! A woman’s right to choose, the rights of homosexuals to enjoy the same benefits as heterosexuals, racial equality, the right to recreate with legal substances on one’s own: I will allow none of these to be undermined. Labor: Unions built the middle class, and the possibility of a union maintains the middle class. In all things the economy must benefit and work for the little guy more so than the elite. A surplus and a strong corporate balance sheet are of little tangible benefit if the workers do not feel either one. So now let's go! Quote President Vice President DemPGH / Northeast Governor SirNick [ 1 ] Northeast Representative Dr. Cynic / Former Vice President Adam Griffin [ 2 ] Pacific Councilor drj101 / No VP chosen yet [ 4 ] Former Senator Snowstalker / No VP chosen yet [ 3 ] Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: LastVoter on October 07, 2013, 09:45:20 PM President [1] Pacific Councilor drj101 / No VP chosen yet [2] Northeast Representative Dr. Cynic / Former Vice President Adam Griffin Mideast Senate [1] Former SoEA Talleyrand Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Njall on October 07, 2013, 10:24:34 PM President
[1] Vice President DemPGH / Northeast Governor SirNick [2] Northeast Representative Dr. Cynic / Former Vice President Adam Griffin [4] Pacific Councilor drj101 / No VP chosen yet [3] Former Senator Snowstalker / No VP chosen yet Mideast Senate [1] Former SoEA Talleyrand [2] Mideast Assemblyman Mr. X Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Kitteh on October 07, 2013, 10:28:11 PM Comrades,
I'll be honest, I had no idea I would be in this situation even three days ago. But the events since the withdrawal of the DeleGAtion have forced me into this race to defend what I love about our Party. This race is about more than just who will be our Party's candidate for President. This is a fight for the very heart and soul of the Labor Party. I have always stood by the Labor Party because I believe we are a different kind of party, fundamentally nothing like the "Progressive Union" or these other parties of the "left". Time and again Labor has shown itself to be the only party dedicated to real reform, the only party willing to stand up against those who will come out frothing at the mouth to denounce anyone fighting against the status quo. That's why I have voted for Labor candidates in every election since I joined this game. The choice we face here is between sticking with our unique, proud, radical, independent tradition and becoming yet another party of piecemeal "reform" and boring campaigns. If we nominate DemPGH or his stalking horse, that is the road we will head down. I don't mean to sound melodramatic, but it would make me extremely sad to see that happen. The NMAM is and always will be a minor force in terms of numbers, but the one thing that I felt we could count on is the support from our friends in Labor in our fight for change. Labor has always been the engine of change in Atlasia. I can't bear to see that end, which is why I feel compelled to fight so strongly for this nomination. I know a lot of you are pessimistic about our chances in the next election. Privately there seems to be a sense of "Duke inevitability" among members of our party and others. This isn't all that misguided. It seems that both sides in this fight have alienated a large segment of the party to the point where presenting a "united front" in this election will be next to impossible. I recognize that, but I don't think that means we must give up. As I said earlier, I'm in this for the long game, not just this next election. I was a member of this party when Labor was a struggling opposition force just barely able to manage a distant second in elections. But if there's anything the history of this party has shown it's that Labor grows stronger in opposition. I believe that frankly we needed a bit of a wakeup call-after two terms of Labor there were more than a few (myself included sometimes, tbh) who had become complacent, and our party has fallen behind on recruitment and outreach. I know that we can come back from a defeat in this election. But what would be a fatal blow is losing the soul of our party. If we nominate DemPGH or his ally in this election, I'm afraid that the Labor that comes back from this defeat won't be the Labor that we had before it, the Labor that I love and that I've been proud to be a friend and member of. Comrades, we can and we must win this fight. The fate of our party is at stake. Together I'm convinced that we can save this party. Nothing in this game is more important than that right now. Solidarity, Kitteh <3 Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Kitteh on October 07, 2013, 10:29:26 PM President:
[1] Kitteh [2] Snowstalker [3] Write-in: the DeleGAtion lives on 5evar ME Senate: Talleyrand Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on October 07, 2013, 10:32:07 PM I have always stood by the Labor Party because I believe we are a different kind of party, fundamentally nothing like the "Progressive Union" or these other parties of the "left". Time and again Labor has shown itself to be the only party dedicated to real reform, the only party willing to stand up against those who will come out frothing at the mouth to denounce anyone fighting against the status quo. You and everyone in Labor has a big penis. Are those the words you've been waiting to hear? Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Kitteh on October 07, 2013, 10:40:34 PM I have always stood by the Labor Party because I believe we are a different kind of party, fundamentally nothing like the "Progressive Union" or these other parties of the "left". Time and again Labor has shown itself to be the only party dedicated to real reform, the only party willing to stand up against those who will come out frothing at the mouth to denounce anyone fighting against the status quo. You and everyone in Labor has a big penis. Are those the words you've been waiting to hear? lol, I like mine small, tyvm :3 Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Adam Griffin on October 08, 2013, 12:52:26 AM [2] Vice President DemPGH / Northeast Governor SirNick
[1] Northeast Representative Dr. Cynic / Former Vice President Adam Griffin [2] Pacific Councilor drj101 / No VP chosen yet [2] Former Senator Snowstalker / No VP chosen yet Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on October 08, 2013, 05:29:51 AM So I guess I only have to vote for President now:
[3] Vice President DemPGH / Northeast Governor SirNick [2] Northeast Representative Dr. Cynic / Former Vice President Adam Griffin [1] Pacific Councilor drj101 / No VP chosen yet [4] Former Senator Snowstalker / No VP chosen yet Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: hawkeye59 on October 08, 2013, 07:03:29 AM President [2] Vice President DemPGH / Northeast Governor SirNick [1] Northeast Representative Dr. Cynic / Former Vice President Adam Griffin [3] Former Senator Snowstalker / No VP chosen yet [4] Pacific Councilor drj101 / No VP chosen yet Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: sentinel on October 08, 2013, 08:09:23 AM Griffin I'm pretty sure 3/4ths of your preferences are invalid.
Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Fritz on October 08, 2013, 12:38:55 PM 1. DemPGH/Sirnick
Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Oakvale on October 08, 2013, 12:43:38 PM [1] Pacific Councillor drj101/No VP chosen yet
[2] Former Senator Snowstalker/No VP chosen yet [3] Vice-President DemPGH/Northeast Governor Sirnick [4] Dr. Cynic/Former Vice President Adam Griffin Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: windjammer on October 08, 2013, 12:58:16 PM 1. DemPGH/Sirnick
2. Dr Cynic/ Adam Griffin 3. Former Senator Snowstalker Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Ban my account ffs! on October 08, 2013, 02:40:22 PM 1. Drj101
2. DemPGH/Sirnick 3. Dr. Cynic/Adam Griffin 4. Snowstalker 5. Fa la la la la, it's Christmas time Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: sentinel on October 08, 2013, 02:45:09 PM 1. Drj101 2. DemPGH/Sirnick 3. Dr. Cynic/Adam Griffin 4. Snowstalker 5. Fa la la la la, it's Christmas time I thought we bonded Snowguy Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on October 08, 2013, 02:55:35 PM Owing to the results thusfar, I hereby ask any supporters of mine (and all Labor voters who have not voted) to cast their ballots for Drj101.
Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: President Tyrion on October 08, 2013, 04:02:42 PM [4] Pacific Councillor drj101/No VP chosen yet
[3] Former Senator Snowstalker/No VP chosen yet [2] Vice-President DemPGH/Northeast Governor Sirnick [1] Dr. Cynic/Former Vice President Adam Griffin Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Flake on October 08, 2013, 04:08:56 PM I have always stood by the Labor Party because I believe we are a different kind of party, fundamentally nothing like the "Progressive Union" or these other parties of the "left". Time and again Labor has shown itself to be the only party dedicated to real reform, the only party willing to stand up against those who will come out frothing at the mouth to denounce anyone fighting against the status quo. Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: sentinel on October 08, 2013, 04:28:40 PM I have always stood by the Labor Party because I believe we are a different kind of party, fundamentally nothing like the "Progressive Union" or these other parties of the "left". Time and again Labor has shown itself to be the only party dedicated to real reform, the only party willing to stand up against those who will come out frothing at the mouth to denounce anyone fighting against the status quo. Its clearly satire, she is mocking Labor. Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Flake on October 08, 2013, 05:07:10 PM I have always stood by the Labor Party because I believe we are a different kind of party, fundamentally nothing like the "Progressive Union" or these other parties of the "left". Time and again Labor has shown itself to be the only party dedicated to real reform, the only party willing to stand up against those who will come out frothing at the mouth to denounce anyone fighting against the status quo. Its clearly satire, she is mocking Labor. But if she is, then why is she running for your party's nomination? Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: PJ on October 08, 2013, 06:35:02 PM I have always stood by the Labor Party because I believe we are a different kind of party, fundamentally nothing like the "Progressive Union" or these other parties of the "left". Time and again Labor has shown itself to be the only party dedicated to real reform, the only party willing to stand up against those who will come out frothing at the mouth to denounce anyone fighting against the status quo. Its clearly satire, she is mocking Labor. But if she is, then why is she running for your party's nomination? Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Adam Griffin on October 08, 2013, 06:45:23 PM I have always stood by the Labor Party because I believe we are a different kind of party, fundamentally nothing like the "Progressive Union" or these other parties of the "left". Time and again Labor has shown itself to be the only party dedicated to real reform, the only party willing to stand up against those who will come out frothing at the mouth to denounce anyone fighting against the status quo. Its clearly satire, she is mocking Labor. But if she is, then why is she running for your party's nomination? I'm guessing none of you remember when drj joined. She was recruited by me not too long after I joined and joined the Labor Party from the get-go. She served admirably in the Mideast Assembly and was the Labor nominee for Governor in the Mideast at one point (and did fairly well considering the make-up of the region at that time). She didn't join NM-AM until late May or June. Most people who are now or were in the NM-AM were Laborites at some point before that - which explains why we are so defensive of them. We remember our own. Lots of people grow tired of being serious in this game. Drj's serious spirits were most likely crushed by that asshole Senator who is apparently too much for anyone to handle. Xahar at one point was a "Serious Person", too, until a bunch of assholes in the Pacific finally cockblocked him enough in the Pacific way back when. Between people like that, Napoleon, Hagrid, myself and plenty of others over the duration of the game's history, lots of people's dreams have been crushed and shattered. I can only hope that some of you will ultimately know dhese feels. :) Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: sentinel on October 08, 2013, 06:53:48 PM First Preference Results Thus Far:
DemPGH: 7 Dr. Cynic: 4 drj101 [Kitteh]: 5 Snowstalker: 1 Last vote counted: Tyrion Hypothetical Second Round I'm assuming the quota is a majority, I don't actually know for sure DemPGH: 7 Dr. Cynic: 4 drj101 [Kitteh]:6 Hypothetical Third Round DemPGH: 10 drj101 [Kitteh]: 6 Exhausted: 1 DemPGH/SirNick would have the majority (58.8%). Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Kitteh on October 08, 2013, 09:56:07 PM I have always stood by the Labor Party because I believe we are a different kind of party, fundamentally nothing like the "Progressive Union" or these other parties of the "left". Time and again Labor has shown itself to be the only party dedicated to real reform, the only party willing to stand up against those who will come out frothing at the mouth to denounce anyone fighting against the status quo. Its clearly satire, she is mocking Labor. But if she is, then why is she running for your party's nomination? I'm guessing none of you remember when drj joined. She was recruited by me not too long after I joined and joined the Labor Party from the get-go. She served admirably in the Mideast Assembly and was the Labor nominee for Governor in the Mideast at one point (and did fairly well considering the make-up of the region at that time). She didn't join NM-AM until late May or June. Most people who are now or were in the NM-AM were Laborites at some point before that - which explains why we are so defensive of them. We remember our own. Lots of people grow tired of being serious in this game. Drj's serious spirits were most likely crushed by that asshole Senator who is apparently too much for anyone to handle. Xahar at one point was a "Serious Person", too, until a bunch of assholes in the Pacific finally cockblocked him enough in the Pacific way back when. Between people like that, Napoleon, Hagrid, myself and plenty of others over the duration of the game's history, lots of people's dreams have been crushed and shattered. I can only hope that some of you will ultimately know dhese feels. :) This is actually a great summary, thanks. The only thing I have left to add is that I've always considered myself a "fellow traveler" to this party-as evidenced by the fact that I've supported Labor candidates always if not in the first round than in the second and that I've helped plan and act out Labor strategies, on the IRC and elsewhere. To suggest that I'm mocking or have in any way a negative opinion of Labor is ridiculous. One point that Adam made which is really important imo is the oft-repeated truism that everyone in this game long enough either quits (see the many now inactive in Atlasia but still very active in other places former Presidents and former Atlasian icons) or turns to loonyism. The only people who manage to dodge this trend are, um...special cases like Inks and Yankee. You'll notice that the PU is extremely disproportionately composed of newer members, while the NMAM is composed entirely of people who have been here at least moderately long. For all the talk of NMAM people not really caring about holding offices, the Movement has the highest average amount of time/number of offices served of any party in Atlasia. It's not that we (we being the collective less-than-soopr-srs coalition, not any one party) don't care, not one of us started out here as "trolls". It's that we've been here so long that we've gotten tired of all the bullsh!t. Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Sir John Johns on October 08, 2013, 10:51:16 PM Vice President DemPGH / Northeast Governor SirNick [2]
Northeast Representative Dr. Cynic / Former Vice President Adam Griffin [1] Pacific Councilor drj101 / No VP chosen yet [4] Former Senator Snowstalker / No VP chosen yet [3] Mideast Senate Mideast Assemblyman Mr. X [2] Former SoEA Talleyrand [1] Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: President Tyrion on October 08, 2013, 11:10:46 PM Realized I forgot to do this:
Mideast Senate: 1. Talleyrand 2. Mr. X Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Flake on October 08, 2013, 11:19:17 PM I have always stood by the Labor Party because I believe we are a different kind of party, fundamentally nothing like the "Progressive Union" or these other parties of the "left". Time and again Labor has shown itself to be the only party dedicated to real reform, the only party willing to stand up against those who will come out frothing at the mouth to denounce anyone fighting against the status quo. Its clearly satire, she is mocking Labor. But if she is, then why is she running for your party's nomination? I'm guessing none of you remember when drj joined. She was recruited by me not too long after I joined and joined the Labor Party from the get-go. She served admirably in the Mideast Assembly and was the Labor nominee for Governor in the Mideast at one point (and did fairly well considering the make-up of the region at that time). She didn't join NM-AM until late May or June. Most people who are now or were in the NM-AM were Laborites at some point before that - which explains why we are so defensive of them. We remember our own. Lots of people grow tired of being serious in this game. Drj's serious spirits were most likely crushed by that asshole Senator who is apparently too much for anyone to handle. Xahar at one point was a "Serious Person", too, until a bunch of assholes in the Pacific finally cockblocked him enough in the Pacific way back when. Between people like that, Napoleon, Hagrid, myself and plenty of others over the duration of the game's history, lots of people's dreams have been crushed and shattered. I can only hope that some of you will ultimately know dhese feels. :) This is actually a great summary, thanks. The only thing I have left to add is that I've always considered myself a "fellow traveler" to this party-as evidenced by the fact that I've supported Labor candidates always if not in the first round than in the second and that I've helped plan and act out Labor strategies, on the IRC and elsewhere. To suggest that I'm mocking or have in any way a negative opinion of Labor is ridiculous. One point that Adam made which is really important imo is the oft-repeated truism that everyone in this game long enough either quits (see the many now inactive in Atlasia but still very active in other places former Presidents and former Atlasian icons) or turns to loonyism. The only people who manage to dodge this trend are, um...special cases like Inks and Yankee. You'll notice that the PU is extremely disproportionately composed of newer members, while the NMAM is composed entirely of people who have been here at least moderately long. For all the talk of NMAM people not really caring about holding offices, the Movement has the highest average amount of time/number of offices served of any party in Atlasia. It's not that we (we being the collective less-than-soopr-srs coalition, not any one party) don't care, not one of us started out here as "trolls". It's that we've been here so long that we've gotten tired of all the bullsh!t. That's actually a very good response, but do you plan on becoming a laborite for a while, or will you run with the NMAM as a candidate if you lose the primaries? (sorry for going a little bit off topic) Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Kitteh on October 08, 2013, 11:51:07 PM I have always stood by the Labor Party because I believe we are a different kind of party, fundamentally nothing like the "Progressive Union" or these other parties of the "left". Time and again Labor has shown itself to be the only party dedicated to real reform, the only party willing to stand up against those who will come out frothing at the mouth to denounce anyone fighting against the status quo. Its clearly satire, she is mocking Labor. But if she is, then why is she running for your party's nomination? I'm guessing none of you remember when drj joined. She was recruited by me not too long after I joined and joined the Labor Party from the get-go. She served admirably in the Mideast Assembly and was the Labor nominee for Governor in the Mideast at one point (and did fairly well considering the make-up of the region at that time). She didn't join NM-AM until late May or June. Most people who are now or were in the NM-AM were Laborites at some point before that - which explains why we are so defensive of them. We remember our own. Lots of people grow tired of being serious in this game. Drj's serious spirits were most likely crushed by that asshole Senator who is apparently too much for anyone to handle. Xahar at one point was a "Serious Person", too, until a bunch of assholes in the Pacific finally cockblocked him enough in the Pacific way back when. Between people like that, Napoleon, Hagrid, myself and plenty of others over the duration of the game's history, lots of people's dreams have been crushed and shattered. I can only hope that some of you will ultimately know dhese feels. :) This is actually a great summary, thanks. The only thing I have left to add is that I've always considered myself a "fellow traveler" to this party-as evidenced by the fact that I've supported Labor candidates always if not in the first round than in the second and that I've helped plan and act out Labor strategies, on the IRC and elsewhere. To suggest that I'm mocking or have in any way a negative opinion of Labor is ridiculous. One point that Adam made which is really important imo is the oft-repeated truism that everyone in this game long enough either quits (see the many now inactive in Atlasia but still very active in other places former Presidents and former Atlasian icons) or turns to loonyism. The only people who manage to dodge this trend are, um...special cases like Inks and Yankee. You'll notice that the PU is extremely disproportionately composed of newer members, while the NMAM is composed entirely of people who have been here at least moderately long. For all the talk of NMAM people not really caring about holding offices, the Movement has the highest average amount of time/number of offices served of any party in Atlasia. It's not that we (we being the collective less-than-soopr-srs coalition, not any one party) don't care, not one of us started out here as "trolls". It's that we've been here so long that we've gotten tired of all the bullsh!t. That's actually a very good response, but do you plan on becoming a laborite for a while, or will you run with the NMAM as a candidate if you lose the primaries? (sorry for going a little bit off topic) np, I haven't yet decided. I know I won't be supporting DemPGH, but I'm not sure if that means I'll be running independent/NMAM or just supporting someone else. Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Oakvale on October 09, 2013, 05:26:20 AM I also forgot to include a Mideast Senate endorsement vote -
[1] Talleyrand [2] Mr. X Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: TNF on October 09, 2013, 08:42:20 AM Preezy of Atlasia:
[1] drj101 [2] Dr. Cynic / Adam Griffin [3] DemPGH / SirNick Not preffing Snowstalker as it seems he's withdrawn. Mideast Senate: [1] Talleyrand [2] Mr. X Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on October 09, 2013, 08:59:11 AM I also forgot to include a Mideast Senate endorsement vote - [1] Talleyrand [2] Mr. X Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: bore on October 09, 2013, 04:27:45 PM President [2] Vice President DemPGH / Northeast Governor SirNick [1] Northeast Representative Dr. Cynic / Former Vice President Adam Griffin [4] Former Senator Snowstalker / No VP chosen yet [3] Pacific Councilor drj101 / No VP chosen yet Mideast Senate [1] Former SoEA Talleyrand [2] Mideast Assemblyman Mr. X Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: sentinel on October 09, 2013, 06:57:30 PM First Preference Votes:
DemPGH: 7 Dr. Cynic: 6 drj101: 6 Snowstalker: 1 Hypothetical Second Round: DemPGH: 7 drj101: 7 Dr. Cynic: 6 Hypothetical Third Round: DemPGH: 12 drj101: 7 Exhausted: 1 Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Dr. Cynic on October 10, 2013, 04:24:56 PM By the looks of it when the polls close here in the next three hours, we'll have our clear choice for nominee. I want to take the time to thank everyone who ran for making it interesting.
Title: Re: Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: opebo on October 10, 2013, 04:34:35 PM President
[2] Vice President DemPGH / Northeast Governor SirNick [1] Northeast Representative Dr. Cynic / Former Vice President Adam Griffin [3] Former Senator Snowstalker / No VP chosen yet [4] Pacific Councilor drj101 / No VP chosen yet Mideast Senate [1] Former SoEA Talleyrand [2] Mideast Assemblyman Mr. X Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Gass3268 on October 10, 2013, 06:59:16 PM President
[1] Vice President DemPGH / Northeast Governor SirNick [2] Northeast Representative Dr. Cynic / Former Vice President Adam Griffin [3] Former Senator Snowstalker / No VP chosen yet [4] Pacific Councilor drj101 / No VP chosen yet Mideast Senate [2] Former SoEA Talleyrand [1] Mideast Assemblyman Mr. X Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Gass3268 on October 10, 2013, 07:10:43 PM Voting is closed:
Presidential Race 22 Voters First Round: DemPGH - 8 Dr. Cynic - 7 Drj101 - 6 Snowstalker - 1 Snowstalker is eliminated; first pref goes to Drj Second Round: DemPGH - 8 Dr. Cynic - 7 Drj101 - 7 Drj101 has fewest first prefs and is eliminated; first prefs go to DemPGH (2) and Dr Cynic (4) Final Round: DemPGH - 10 Dr. Cynic - 11 Exhausted - 1 The ticket of Dr. Cynic/Adam Griffin receives the endorsement of the Labor Party Mideast Senate First Round: Talleyrand - 13 Mr. X - 2 Talleyrand receives the endorsement of the Labor Party Congrats to Dr. Cynic, Adam Griffin and Talleryand! Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on October 10, 2013, 07:48:23 PM Congrats to Talleyrand, Dr. Cynic, Adam Griffin :)
Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Dr. Cynic on October 10, 2013, 07:56:17 PM Holy sh*t, that was unexpected.... But very happy for me. Since Adam and I are the nominees, I suppose I should put together a little speech.
This was an unexpected development, but I thank the Labor Party for putting its trust in Griffin and I. I suppose if I got another crack at the top job, it would be an opportunity for me to exorcise the past of having to leave the Presidency. This also has proven just how chaotic this election will be. A week ago, I was not a candidate. Now, I am, with the endorsement of our party. Griffin and I will do our utmost best for the party in the election. Perhaps this will be a seat of our pants style of campaign, but so be it. You all know me to varying degrees and you know that I will try my hardest for our party. So, be sure to get out there and campaign for a Labor victory! Good luck to everyone in the polls. Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: TNF on October 10, 2013, 08:08:04 PM Congrats on your victory, Comrade Cynic! I hope that all members of the Labor Party will fall behind our nominee.
Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Dr. Cynic on October 10, 2013, 08:17:17 PM Thanks, comrades. :) Griffin and I appreciate it :)
Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: LastVoter on October 10, 2013, 08:42:18 PM Awesome!
Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Kitteh on October 11, 2013, 12:30:28 AM Well I lost, I kinda expected to, so I'm not really sad (also I'm happy for unrelated reasons and sorta drunk so hard to give a fyck x3). I'm not sure who to endorse now or what to do and I'm gonna save that till I'm sober. But since I'm not rly gonna be here next week i won't be running independent. Thanks to my supporters, you guys are awesome, <3
Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Kitteh on October 11, 2013, 12:44:22 AM Actually, after a little more thought, f**k it, I endorse Dr Cynic and Adam. Labor needs to show the other parties we've still got some fight in us, after this clusterf**k, and i would love to beat DemPGH and the potato union into 3rd, and Adam is on the ticket and he's cool. So yeah. Go vote Labor everyone :)
Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Adam Griffin on October 11, 2013, 01:07:16 AM Actually, after a little more thought, f**k it, I endorse Dr Cynic and Adam. Labor needs to show the other parties we've still got some fight in us, after this clusterf**k, and i would love to beat DemPGH and the potato union into 3rd, and Adam is on the ticket and he's cool. So yeah. Go vote Labor everyone :) () Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Kitteh on October 11, 2013, 01:33:33 AM Actually, after a little more thought, f**k it, I endorse Dr Cynic and Adam. Labor needs to show the other parties we've still got some fight in us, after this clusterf**k, and i would love to beat DemPGH and the potato union into 3rd, and Adam is on the ticket and he's cool. So yeah. Go vote Labor everyone :) () lol i should be high right now, "i love you guys, no probs, labor unity 5evar (1 moar than 4evar)" etc More proof that marijuana is a superior drug than alcohol. But I'll take the latter too :3 Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Dr. Cynic on October 11, 2013, 01:38:50 AM Actually, after a little more thought, f**k it, I endorse Dr Cynic and Adam. Labor needs to show the other parties we've still got some fight in us, after this clusterf**k, and i would love to beat DemPGH and the potato union into 3rd, and Adam is on the ticket and he's cool. So yeah. Go vote Labor everyone :) () lol i should be high right now, "i love you guys, no probs, labor unity 5evar (1 moar than 4evar)" etc More proof that marijuana is a superior drug than alcohol. But I'll take the latter too :3 I don't have any pot, but have a drink on me and thanks for being a uniter for Labor! :) Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: windjammer on October 11, 2013, 05:49:05 AM Congratulations :).
Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: TNF on October 11, 2013, 10:55:53 AM [PLA]
The Pillars of Labor. () | Protect | The protection of Our Society is an imperative and must always be seen as a priority if we are to remain civilized human beings. To protect the innocent from abuse, injury or wrongdoing by others through the enforcement of responsible, proportionate criminal and civil penalties is a characteristic of a well-round, mature society. To protect each Atlasian's human rights by ensuring society honors them is the only way in which Our Society can continue to live up to its most idealistic and progressive vision. When we protect the right of other civilized nations to thrive and exist democratically, we help provide a more stable world in which Atlasia can exist. By protecting the right for both Church and State to operate separately, we guarantee that neither can be contorted nor abused. Ensuring that each and every Atlasian has the natural right to determine what he or she does with their body must be protected without exception. Finally, we believe there can be no protection of today's and tomorrow's People without protection of the environment we live in, and that no social progress can be made at the expense of environmental conservation and vice-versa. | Provide | When we provide for those who currently cannot provide for themselves, we strengthen our economy through increased demand and ultimately, increased job and economic growth. When government acts on behalf of the people without motive of financial gain, we provide the opportunity for great things to be done within Our Society – great things that no private entity would ever embark upon without prior compensation. When energy is decoupled from profit and is provided to the people at its baseline cost of production, the national economy will thrive better than it does under a private model. By providing a quality education to our children, we pave the way for innovation and enlightenment as our children become the leaders of the next generation. By providing a level playing field and demanding basic dignity via fair trade, we ensure our best ideals are projected and enforced throughout the world without need for diplomatic or military action. By protecting the right of workers to organize and guaranteeing them a voice on the job, we make industrial democracy a possibility. When we provide access to public broadcasting and other free forms of information and assistance, we embolden individuals to improve and better themselves, as well as those around them. | Prosper | We prosper when each and every person in Our Society has access to affordable, quality health care and when the environment in which we live is protected, clean and conserved. When taxes are decreased, valuable infrastructure and maintenance is ignored while fiscal responsibility is abandoned in the name of tax spending; when taxes are increased, businesses re-invest and grow their companies, while government is able to innovate and plan projects of common purpose. No nation can expect sustainable prosperity while relying on finite fuels that pollute and destroy our environment, all the while being tied to the whims of other nations who supply us with it. Prosperity for the worker must be bargained for – collectively, that is – in order to ensure its perpetual existence. Ultimately, we prosper not from the whims of big business, but from the skill and hard work of the lowliest among us. When labor is allowed to come together and bargain collectively for higher wages, shorter hours, and better working conditions, we all do better. Labor's October '13 Manifesto. Our Society.
More coming in next post. Sorry for the length! Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: TNF on October 11, 2013, 11:06:15 AM Our Game.
Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on October 11, 2013, 09:12:09 PM Cynic/Griffin!
Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Adam Griffin on October 12, 2013, 10:00:00 PM Quote II. CREATION & AMENDMENT OF PARTY PLATFORM 1. The Vice Chair, along with two Party members appointed by the Vice Chair, will have the initial task of creating the Party platform and will be in charge of initial changes in subsequent conventions. Platform is then presented to the members, who will then be allowed to make objections and suggest changes to the platform. a. If there are no objections within 24 hours, the platform will be automatically approved. b. If there are objections, 24 hours will be given for the members to discuss and make changes as a group; more time can be given by the Politburo if necessary. c. Then a 72 hour vote will take place to approve or reject the platform. 2. The Vice-Chair may, in circumstances and times outside the convention, place on a caucus ballot any revisions, retractions and additions to the Labor Party platform assuming the motion receives verbal support from at least 25% of the caucus. If said threshold is attained, a voting booth will be opened immediately to either approve or reject the changes. The platform has been adopted! :D Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Flake on October 12, 2013, 10:17:51 PM I feel like all of Labor is getting these great designs by TNF and I have to say good job sir, you did a fine job on those.
EDIT: Or Griffin, whichever one it was. Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: TNF on October 13, 2013, 09:59:24 PM [SEN]
Comrades, I move that we begin a process to endorse candidates for the regional Senate seats. We have a great slate of Labor candidates in nearly every region this time around so make sure you all get out the vote for them come election day! Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Adam Griffin on October 14, 2013, 03:45:09 PM [SEN] Comrades, I move that we begin a process to endorse candidates for the regional Senate seats. We have a great slate of Labor candidates in nearly every region this time around so make sure you all get out the vote for them come election day! [SEN] This should be a fairly easy and straightforward endorsement process. Four candidates are automatically endorsed (Tyrion, Bore, TNF & Talleyrand), while there is only one candidate in the IDS (Yankee). If Yankee wishes to request the endorsement of the Labor Party in this race, then we would have an up or down endorsement vote where he'd need 60% affirmative to receive the nomination. Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 14, 2013, 05:39:12 PM Distinguished members of the Labor Party. I realize we have many differences to be true, especially when it comes to what guides our approaches to reform. However, when it comes to policy I think I share many goals and policies with your members.
I have worked with Laborites on several occassions over the past year and a half or so. I wrote most of the Stimulus bill, working in conjunction with the administration. I am working with the Labor President and his administration to complete the minimum income project and compromised on the budget so that needed revenues could be attained to fund areas that had been previously neglected. I introduced Tyrion's court reform proposal and got it to the floor as well as to torture the piss out of various distinguished Altasians to get them to participate in the debate and make recommendations for improvements. I helped construct a mental health bill that sought to expand/build facilities in places that lacked necessary resources to treat mental health patients who need in-patient care, as well as to expand aid to the dependents of such patients during times of income loss. I support the expansion of the co-ops that I helped Seatown pass last year and would like to see the Regions move in the direction of using them to provide some competition in various areas, including utilities, who will treat their customers with respect and not leave them in the dark for days on end... I support a reasonable living wage in the double digits, but one that is crafted in such a way that is doesn't hurt small business to benefit of large corporations. I support the removal of any remaining subidies to big agricultural firms, but want to preserve at least some level of support for small farms. I grew up in a poor family, where living paycheck to paycheck was a reality. I know what it is like to depend on food stamps and the assistance of relatives to get by. More recently I have had to learn to deal with the difficulties presented by parents seperating. I also know that a premium is to be placed on stability and that responsible governance is essential when you got people whose lives depend on that next check coming or not. I therefore humbly ask for the support of your party's members in this next election. Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Gass3268 on October 16, 2013, 01:16:10 AM Voting will last 72 hours.
Quote Endorsement Voting: IDS Senate: Should North Carolina Yankee (FED-NC) receive the Labor Party endorsement? [ ] Aye [ ] Nay [ ] Abstain Automatic Endorsements: Mideast Senate: [X] Talleyrand (LAB-KY) Midwest Senate: [X] TNF (LAB-MT/WO) Northeast Senate: [X] Bore (LAB-RI) Pacific Senate: [X] TyriontheImperialist (LAB-NM) Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Adam Griffin on October 16, 2013, 01:41:27 AM Endorsement Voting:
IDS Senate: Should North Carolina Yankee (FED-NC) receive the Labor Party endorsement? [X] Aye [ ] Nay [ ] Abstain Automatic Endorsements: Mideast Senate: [X] Talleyrand (LAB-KY) Midwest Senate: [X] TNF (LAB-MT/WO) Northeast Senate: [X] Bore (LAB-RI) Pacific Senate: [X] TyriontheImperialist (LAB-NM) Title: Re: ***ENDORSEMENTS IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: President Tyrion on October 16, 2013, 02:06:41 AM Endorsement Voting:
IDS Senate: Should North Carolina Yankee (FED-NC) receive the Labor Party endorsement? [X] Aye [ ] Nay [ ] Abstain Automatic Endorsements: Mideast Senate: [X] Talleyrand (LAB-KY) Midwest Senate: [X] TNF (LAB-MT/WO) Northeast Senate: [X] Bore (LAB-RI) Pacific Senate: [X] TyriontheImperialist (LAB-NM) Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: TNF on October 16, 2013, 06:35:58 AM Endorsement Voting:
IDS Senate: Should North Carolina Yankee (FED-NC) receive the Labor Party endorsement? [X] Aye [ ] Nay [ ] Abstain Automatic Endorsements: Mideast Senate: [X] Talleyrand (LAB-KY) Midwest Senate: [X] TNF (LAB-MT/WO) Northeast Senate: [X] Bore (LAB-RI) Pacific Senate: [X] TyriontheImperialist (LAB-NM) Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on October 16, 2013, 09:25:09 AM Endorsement Voting:
IDS Senate: Should North Carolina Yankee (FED-NC) receive the Labor Party endorsement? [X] Aye [ ] Nay [ ] Abstain Automatic Endorsements: Mideast Senate: [X] Talleyrand (LAB-KY) Midwest Senate: [X] TNF (LAB-MT/WO) Northeast Senate: [X] Bore (LAB-RI) Pacific Senate: [X] TyriontheImperialist (LAB-NM) Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Kitteh on October 16, 2013, 11:13:00 AM Should North Carolina Yankee (FED-NC) receive the Labor Party endorsement?
[ ] Aye [X] Nay [ ] Abstain Automatic Endorsements: Mideast Senate: [X] Talleyrand (LAB-KY) Midwest Senate: [X] TNF (LAB-MT/WO) Northeast Senate: [X] Bore (LAB-RI) Pacific Senate: [X] TyriontheImperialist (LAB-NM) [/quote] Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: windjammer on October 16, 2013, 11:15:30 AM Should North Carolina Yankee (FED-NC) receive the Labor Party endorsement? [X] Aye [ ] Nay [ ] Abstain Automatic Endorsements: Mideast Senate: [X] Talleyrand (LAB-KY) Midwest Senate: [X] TNF (LAB-MT/WO) Northeast Senate: [X] Bore (LAB-RI) Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: bore on October 16, 2013, 11:30:59 AM Should North Carolina Yankee (FED-NC) receive the Labor Party endorsement? [X] Aye [ ] Nay [ ] Abstain Automatic Endorsements: Mideast Senate: [X] Talleyrand (LAB-KY) Midwest Senate: [X] TNF (LAB-MT/WO) Northeast Senate: [X] Bore (LAB-RI) Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Dr. Cynic on October 16, 2013, 01:30:56 PM Endorsement Voting:
IDS Senate: Should North Carolina Yankee (FED-NC) receive the Labor Party endorsement? [X] Aye [ ] Nay [ ] Abstain Automatic Endorsements: Mideast Senate: [X] Talleyrand (LAB-KY) Midwest Senate: [X] TNF (LAB-MT/WO) Northeast Senate: [X] Bore (LAB-RI) Pacific Senate: [X] TyriontheImperialist (LAB-NM) Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Fritz on October 16, 2013, 01:31:46 PM Should North Carolina Yankee (FED-NC) receive the Labor Party endorsement?
[X] Aye [ ] Nay [ ] Abstain Automatic Endorsements: Mideast Senate: [X] Talleyrand (LAB-KY) Midwest Senate: [X] TNF (LAB-MT/WO) Northeast Senate: [X] Bore (LAB-RI) Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on October 16, 2013, 02:08:53 PM Should North Carolina Yankee (FED-NC) receive the Labor Party endorsement?
[X] Aye [ ] Nay [ ] Abstain Automatic Endorsements: Mideast Senate: [X] Talleyrand (LAB-KY) Midwest Senate: [X] TNF (LAB-MT/WO) Northeast Senate: [X] Bore (LAB-RI) Title: Re: ***PRIMARY IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on October 16, 2013, 03:31:06 PM Should North Carolina Yankee (FED-NC) receive the Labor Party endorsement?
[X] Aye [ ] Nay [ ] Abstain Automatic Endorsements: Mideast Senate: [X] Talleyrand (LAB-KY) Midwest Senate: [X] TNF (LAB-MT/WO) Northeast Senate: [X] Bore (LAB-RI) Title: Re: ***ENDORSEMENTS IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: sentinel on October 16, 2013, 06:15:33 PM Endorse them all. Title: Re: ***ENDORSEMENTS IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: sentinel on October 17, 2013, 04:36:24 PM I request that the Chairman call for a vote to add a stance against bestiality and in favor of reasonable protection for animals to the policy platform.
Title: Re: ***ENDORSEMENTS IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Gass3268 on October 30, 2013, 08:53:46 PM [BYL] New By-laws
Quote I. CREATION & AMENDMENT OF PARTY BY-LAWS 1. The Chair, along with two Party members appointed by the Chair, will have the initial task of creating any proposed changes to the by-laws and will be in charge of initial changes in subsequent conventions. By-laws are then presented to the members at the convention, with members allowed to make objections and suggest changes to the by-laws. a. If there are no objections within 24 hours, the by-laws will be automatically approved. b. If there are objections, 24 hours will be given for the members to discuss and make changes as a group; more time can be given by the Politburo if necessary. c. Then a 72 hour vote will take place to approve or reject the by-laws. 2. The Chair may, in circumstances and times outside the convention, place on a caucus ballot any revisions, retractions and additions to the Labor Party by-laws assuming the motion receives verbal support from at least 25% of the caucus. If said threshold is attained, a voting booth will be opened immediately to either approve or reject the changes. II. CREATION & AMENDMENT OF PARTY PLATFORM 1. The Vice Chair, along with two Party members appointed by the Vice Chair, will have the initial task of creating the Party platform and will be in charge of initial changes in subsequent conventions. Platform is then presented to the members, who will then be allowed to make objections and suggest changes to the platform. a. If there are no objections within 24 hours, the platform will be automatically approved. b. If there are objections, 24 hours will be given for the members to discuss and make changes as a group; more time can be given by the Politburo if necessary. c. Then a 72 hour vote will take place to approve or reject the platform. 2. The Vice-Chair may, in circumstances and times outside the convention, place on a caucus ballot any revisions, retractions and additions to the Labor Party platform assuming the motion receives verbal support from at least 25% of the caucus. If said threshold is attained, a voting booth will be opened immediately to either approve or reject the changes. III. ESTABLISHMENT & MANAGEMENT OF CONVENTIONS 1. The Labor Party Convention will start one month before the Atlasia Presidential Election, with the location of the convention rotating among the five regions of Atlasia in the following order: Mideast, Imperial Dominion, Pacific, Northeast and Midwest. 2. Establishing the next Labor Party Convention shall employ the following process: Each Member is given 24 hours to nominate one city in the given region assigned for the next convention, with the top three (3) nominations being placed on the ballot. Members will be given 24 hours to select their choice. 3. Each Labor Party Convention will have the following agenda: a. Updates and amendments of the Party by-laws b. Updates and amendments of the Party platform c. Endorsements for the upcoming Atlasia Federal Elections d. Special and irregular business put forward by the Politburo e. Establishment of the date and city for the upcoming convention IV. ELECTION OF THE POLITBURO 1. Members will have 48 hours to declare that they wish to seek the following positions, beginning on the fourth Friday of February, June and October: Chair, Vice-Chair, General Secretary & Attorney-at-Law. There will then be 72 hours for campaigning, followed by a 48 hour election. V. ROLES OF THE POLITBURO 1. Chairman a. The official leader of the Labor Party, unless there is a Labor Party President b. Is in charge of the convention process c. Officiates Party voting d. Gives the Vice Chairman and the General Secretary goals and objectives for their given jobs e. Is in charge of Party political strategy f. Is allowed to create and/or appoint other Party officials as he or she sees fit g. Is in charge of creating and updating the by-laws at the Party convention with the assistance of a personally-appointed committee h. Ensures insubordination by other members of the Politburo is handled within the caucus 2. Vice Chairman a. Takes over for the Chairman temporarily if the Chairman requests a leave of absence or has been absent for 48 hours b. Is in charge of Party recruitment in order to grow the Party c. Responsible for keeping up with business at the Federal and regional levels, and makes sure that the Labor Party has an official stance on each issue; this will be done in collaboration with the rest of the Politburo and the advice of the Party d. Deals with logistics and personnel e. Is in charge of creating and updating the platform at the Party convention with the assistance of a personally-appointed committee 3. General Secretary a. Takes over for the Chairman or Vice Chairman if either the Chairman and Vice Chairman both have requested a leave of absence or both have been absent for 48 hours b. Is in charge of candidate recruitment for all levels of government c. Is in charge of GOTV operations for both the Party and allied factions, which includes supporters not officially registered with the Party d. Serves as a Whip for the Senate, working with Senators to find common ground and support for bills proposed by the Party 4. Attorney-At-Law a. The legal advisor for the Politburo, the Labor Party at-large and all Labor Party members b. Shall serve as prosecutor or defense attorney for any and all legal cases set forth by individuals, regional governments or the federal government against the Labor Party or its members, as well as cases on behalf of the Labor Party or any of its members that do not seek action against the Party c. The Attorney-At-Law shall have sole discretion in accepting cases on behalf of Labor Party members that do not directly pertain to affairs regarding the Party VI. ENDORSEMENT PROCEDURE 1. Endorsement elections will take place one (1) week before the respective election, with the exception of endorsements handled during conventions. 2. All Labor Party candidates in compliance with Section VII-1a; b; c are automatically endorsed by the Party. 3. If there are not enough Labor Party members running in a given election, the Party will then endorse candidates from other parties who agree with the Party's principles and values, allowing our Party to endorse a maximum number of candidates equivalent to the number of open seats in an election. 4. In order to be eligible to receive the endorsement of the Labor Party, the candidate from the other party has to declare that he or she wishes to receive our Party’s endorsement during the endorsement suggestion period, which begins two weeks before the election and ends one week before the election. The candidate must also have a Laborite second the endorsement nomination in order to be placed on the endorsement ballot. 5. Endorsement voting will begin immediately following the endorsement suggestion period and will last for 72 hours. Votes for each non-Party candidate shall be cast and counted either as an affirmative, negative or abstention. An abstention ballot is counted against a candidate's affirmative percentage as it applies in Section VI-6. 6. A non-Party candidate must receive affirmative preference from at least 60% of all endorsement ballots cast in order to receive the endorsement of the Party. In the event there are more candidates with 60%+ affirmative preference than available endorsements, they will be awarded from highest percentage affirmative preference downward. VII. PRIMARY PROCEDURE 1. All Labor Party candidates are automatically endorsed by the Party, except for the following situations in which there will be a Labor Party Primary: a. If there are more Labor Party members running than open spots in a given election b. A Labor Party member is a presidential candidate on a cross-party ticket 2. Primaries will take place two (2) weeks before the respective election. Voting will last for 72 hours. 3. The loser is strongly encouraged not to run as an independent, as doing so will result in a loss of position within the Politburo, a denial of access to Labor primaries or the endorsement of the party in the subsequent three (3) Federal elections. Title: Re: ***ENDORSEMENTS IN PROGRESS!!!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Gass3268 on October 30, 2013, 08:55:38 PM [CON]
24 hour period to nominate cities in the Mideast for the next Labor Party Convention! Title: Re: *** City Nominations and New By-laws!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Dr. Cynic on October 30, 2013, 09:39:48 PM Why not take it all the way to Alert?
Title: Re: *** City Nominations and New By-laws!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Adam Griffin on October 30, 2013, 09:45:41 PM [CON] I nominate Windsor, ON.
Title: Re: *** City Nominations and New By-laws!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: TNF on October 30, 2013, 09:59:31 PM I nominate Harlan, Kentucky.
Title: Re: *** City Nominations and New By-laws!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: President Tyrion on October 30, 2013, 11:29:11 PM I nominate Oakland, CA
Title: Re: *** City Nominations and New By-laws!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on October 30, 2013, 11:55:35 PM I nominate Columbus, OH
Title: Re: *** City Nominations and New By-laws!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Adam Griffin on October 31, 2013, 01:07:53 AM I nominate Oakland, CA We already did it there with Marokai and Duke in February. :P This time, it has to be in the Mideast. Title: Re: *** City Nominations and New By-laws!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: President Tyrion on October 31, 2013, 01:15:44 AM I nominate Oakland, CA We already did it there with Marokai and Duke in February. :P This time, it has to be in the Mideast. Oh, my reading comprehension is rather poor. Oakland, Illinois, then. Title: Re: *** City Nominations and New By-laws!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Adam Griffin on October 31, 2013, 02:11:04 AM WHY I'M RUNNING FOR THIS AWFUL JOB ONCE AGAIN (Since the vote is not yet open, I thought I'd take the take to campaign per by-laws) It was with a lot of thought and consideration that I decided to seek a third term as Labor Party Chair. I think everyone in the Party knows just how much I love the Party and each of you, but it can sometimes be a stressful and infuriating experience to run a political party. From what I've gathered from many other current and former party chairs, the sentiment is that it is a hated and otherwise terrible role to fill. Honestly, though, I've never felt that way. I love it for some odd reason. () While The Party certainly existed before I joined Atlasia and became Chair later on, I do in many respects feel that it is in some part my baby. During the nine months in which I served as Chair, we doubled in size, won two consecutive Presidencies, became the dominant force in the Senate, achieved many policy victories on the national and regional front, and developed a inter-regional party network that in terms of effectiveness and actual representation has probably never been surpassed prior. We went from being a third-place party to the dominant (and only) voice of the Left. We reaffirmed the commitment to the Radical Homosexual Agenda. We accomplished a hell of a lot together. () So why am I running again? It would be the smart thing to simply hope another person would step forward and continue the tradition, leaving my legacy as a rad f[inks] party Chair intact and without chance of shameful defeat - after all, who knows what the future entails. Over the past few months, I feel the party's power and effectiveness have waned in certain areas that a) can be fixed and b) must be fixed. There was a point shortly after my departure that I thought the Labor Party might not survive. We weathered the storm - like we have everything else - and our Party's strength continued to shine. The fundamentals of Labor are strong, and we have a new series of battles to fight. Everybody, I know you can believe in yourself! If you believe in yourself, you will know how to ride a bike! You just keep practicing. You will get the hang of it, I know it. Thumbs up everybody, for rock and roll! () In many respects, the current game looks a lot like it did many months ago. Labor is a proud Party and has views with sharp contrast. We don't always play nice, and we tend to upset people on occasion for a variety of reasons - many are justified within the confines of a poli-sim, but not always. As a result, we see a shift in the political landscape and a continued resistance by those near the center when it comes to respect and assimilation within our Party. This is a concern, because a divided left makes us weaker as a country. We, however, should not be prepared to bend nor break to the minority opinion. I wanna fly, I wanna drive, I wanna go I wanna be a part of something I don't know And if you try to hold me back I might explode Baby, by now you should know I cant be tamed () One huge area in which we excelled was the liberation of leftist ideology from the center and left-center, something that I am not sure has ever really been done prior. While our power is not unprecedented nor necessarily comparable to entities such as the JCP, we have accomplished what we've accomplished with quite a handicap attached to us. Part of the reason that I have traditionally hounded the right about its fear of articulation is that from the perspective of many, Labor is just as extreme as they would be considered. Yet we plowed forward and made names for ourselves. I-I-I wanna give you one last option I-I-I wanna give you one last chance I-If you're looking for the main attraction Just hold on tight and let me do my dance () What is in our future? The biggeast short-term goal that we seem to be facing is consolidation. Party-wise, we have to be willing to work with others on this and many other areas of policy, but obviously not at the expense of our Party's vision and values. We need to grow our ranks, organize regions and ensure that newer players have as many opportunities to run for office as possible. We've done it all before, and we'll do it again. Gays, it's good to be home again. Title: Re: *** City Nominations and New By-laws!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: windjammer on October 31, 2013, 05:15:40 AM I nominate Detroit,Michigan
Title: Re: *** City Nominations and New By-laws!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Kitteh on October 31, 2013, 05:42:28 PM [wow much speech such post wow] () Title: Re: *** City Nominations and New By-laws!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Gass3268 on October 31, 2013, 10:09:28 PM [CON]
Here is the ballot for the next convention. Voting will go for 3 days! Oakland, Illinois [ ] Harlan, Kentucky [ ] Iqaluit, Nunavut [ ] Columbus, Ohio [ ] Windsor, Ontario [ ] [BYL] Due to no objections the By-laws are approved [POL] Those running for the Politburo should do as Adam Griffin has done and provide a brief campaign speech. Also I am announcing here that I will not be running for reelection as Party Chair or election for any other Politburo position. Also I have chosen not to run for reelection for the At-Large Senate Seat. School and work has gotten crazy and unfortunately I do not have time right now. I'll still be involved and somewhat active, but I don't think I'll run for another position until I'm done with school or school settles down. Thanks! Title: Re: ***City Convention Vote*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Kitteh on October 31, 2013, 10:20:25 PM ()
() () Title: Re: ***City Convention Vote*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on October 31, 2013, 10:24:21 PM Oakland, Illinois [5]
Harlan, Kentucky [3] Iqaluit, Nunavut [4] Columbus, Ohio [1] Windsor, Ontario [2] Title: Re: *** City Nominations and New By-laws!*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Dr. Cynic on October 31, 2013, 10:35:16 PM Here is the ballot for the next convention. Voting will go for 3 days!
Oakland, Illinois [6] Detroit, Michigan [2] Harlan, Kentucky [5] Iqaluit, Nunavut [1] Columbus, Ohio [4] Windsor, Ontario [3] Edited for Detroit's inclusion. Title: Re: ***City Convention Vote*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Gass3268 on October 31, 2013, 10:50:49 PM Detroit, Michigan should be on the ballot too! My bad!
Title: Re: ***City Convention Vote*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Adam Griffin on October 31, 2013, 10:51:19 PM Oakland, Illinois [6]
Detroit, Michigan [4] Harlan, Kentucky [2] Iqaluit, Nunavut [3] Columbus, Ohio [5] Windsor, Ontario [1] Title: Re: ***City Convention Vote*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: President Tyrion on October 31, 2013, 10:55:29 PM Oakland, Illinois [6]
Detroit, Michigan [1] Harlan, Kentucky [2] Iqaluit, Nunavut [4] Columbus, Ohio [3] Windsor, Ontario [5] Title: Re: ***City Convention Vote*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on November 01, 2013, 05:18:51 AM Oakland, Illinois [6]
Detroit, Michigan [3] Harlan, Kentucky [2] Iqaluit, Nunavut [1] Columbus, Ohio [5] Windsor, Ontario [4] Title: Re: ***City Convention Vote*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Talleyrand on November 01, 2013, 06:30:30 AM Oakland, Illinois [6]
Detroit, Michigan [4] Harlan, Kentucky [2] Iqaluit, Nunavut [1] Columbus, Ohio [5] Windsor, Ontario [3] Title: Re: ***City Convention Vote*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: TNF on November 01, 2013, 06:36:08 AM Harlan, Kentucky [1]
Detroit, Michigan [2] Columbus, Ohio [3] Iqaluit, Nunavut [4] Windsor, Ontario [5] Oakland, Illinois [6] Title: Re: ***City Convention Vote*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Gass3268 on November 06, 2013, 10:45:00 PM [CON]
Vote totals for the next convention; Iqaluit 5 Columbus 1 Detroit 1 Harlan 1 Windsor 1 Iqaluit, Nunavut will be the location of the next Labor Convention!!! Title: Re: ***City Convention Vote*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: TNF on November 06, 2013, 11:13:54 PM I endorse Nix for Labor Party Chair.
Title: Re: ***City Convention Vote*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: windjammer on November 07, 2013, 09:25:39 AM I endorse Nix for Labor Party Chair. Title: Re: ***City Convention Vote*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Gass3268 on November 07, 2013, 10:54:08 AM I too endorse Nix for Labor Party Chair.
I will also be running for Party General Secretary in order to fill the void. Elections will start tomorrow at noon and will go until noon on Sunday. Title: Re: ***City Convention Vote*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Gass3268 on November 09, 2013, 12:57:15 AM Voting will go until Sunday at Noon!
Politburo Election Ballot: Chairman: Αverroës Nix [ ] Write-In:________ [ ] Vice Chairman: TNF [ ] Write-In:________ [ ] General Secretary: Gass3268 [ ] Write-In:________ [ ] Attorney-At-Law: Bacon King [ ] Write-In:________ [ ] Title: Re: ***City Convention Vote*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: President Tyrion on November 09, 2013, 02:03:15 AM Chairman:
Αverroës Nix Vice Chairman: TNF General Secretary: Gass3268 Attorney-At-Law: Bacon King These are competitive elections, so it tore me apart to pick from this dense crowd :P Title: Re: ***City Convention Vote*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: windjammer on November 09, 2013, 09:50:29 AM Chairman:
[1] Αverroës Nix Vice Chairman [1] TNF General Secretary: [1] Gass3268 Attorney-At-Law: [1] Bacon King[/size] Title: Re: ***City Convention Vote*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: TNF on November 09, 2013, 10:03:41 AM Chairman: Nix
Vice Chairman: TNF General-Secretary: Gass3268 Attorney-At-Law: Bacon King Title: Re: ***City Convention Vote*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Fritz on November 09, 2013, 11:02:29 AM Chairman: Nix Vice Chairman: TNF General-Secretary: Gass3268 Attorney-At-Law: Bacon King Title: Re: ***City Convention Vote*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Talleyrand on November 09, 2013, 01:27:42 PM Chairman: Nix Vice Chairman: TNF General-Secretary: Gass3268 Attorney-At-Law: Bacon King Title: Re: ***City Convention Vote*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on November 09, 2013, 07:23:24 PM Chairman: Nix Vice Chairman: TNF General-Secretary: Gass3268 Attorney-At-Law: Bacon King Title: Re: ***City Convention Vote*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on November 10, 2013, 06:29:00 AM Chairman: Nix Vice Chairman: TNF General-Secretary: Gass3268 Attorney-At-Law: Bacon King Title: Re: ***City Convention Vote*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: bore on November 10, 2013, 11:47:12 AM Chairman: Nix Vice Chairman: TNF General-Secretary: Gass3268 Attorney-At-Law: Bacon King Title: Re: ***Politburo Elections*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: Gass3268 on November 10, 2013, 03:28:28 PM Elections have been concluded.
Congrats to the new Politburo! Title: Re: ***Politburo Elections*** Labor Party Fall 2013 Convention! Post by: TNF on November 10, 2013, 04:58:01 PM I would like to thank the members of the Labor Party for their support!
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