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Title: Blame someone else.
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Griff on November 06, 2013, 04:12:27 am
After this post is published, I'll be de-registering from Atlasia. I have no idea whether I'll stay gone permanently, temporarily, or what. None of that really matters.

After experiencing a terrible night in real electoral politics, piecing together recently some aspects of my actual life and dealing with people in this game who seem to want to start veiled BS on a consistent basis (as opposed to good ol' fashioned straightforward BS; this time, in non-partisan threads for a game perk that I've been providing for what seems like an eternity now), I've asked myself why I'm still doing this. I have no real reasonable answer.

To the most important people in this game, my party: I really wanted to be Chair again. I'm sorry that I don't have it left in me to continue with this silliness. Unfortunately, I think this is the time to exit - I'd never quit while I had a job like that. Nix should be Chair - I think he's the only one who can do it justice from day one at this point. I never really got to take "my break" after June - the need from others kept pulling me back into this game initially, and then I began to enjoy screwing around once again. The reality, however (and any person in party leadership will tell you) is that this crap gets old. I'm sick of having to deal with perpetually misinformed n00bs that are told we're the bane of existence. I don't have the energy (and for this particular aspect, never have had the energy) to pretend that I like or fake conversations with dozens of people through PM to thwart this sociopathy, and frankly, no one in our party ever really waged large-scale PM smear campaigns like multiple people have done and continue to do against us (yet we still whooped and continue to whoop their asses time and time again all across this country).

When this game continues to slide downhill, I won't be around to blame. It's cute how some think that the best and most crowd-sourced structure in the game is somehow the one to blame for its demise. Just because you are not on the inside doesn't mean that we are the problem or that it's one or two people calling the shots. Nah, it could never be the cult that the currently-dormant wolf in sheep's clothing (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?action=profile;u=6503) built solely to elect himself to office and collapsed about five seconds after his second term began (and about ten seconds before he went AWOL for most of the term). It couldn't be the people who poured (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?action=profile;u=2899) in off-site zombies in order to build pan-ideological cults (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?action=profile;u=8994). It couldn't be fact that two-thirds of the game currently does nothing to define itself save for how it disagrees with Labor's policies. Well, the so-called architect of your problems will no longer be around - grow the f[inks] up and find someone/something else to blame.

I'm tired of dealing with people who are just as shatty as I am but never want to show their actual selves. It for a fun game does not make. This is a simulator. A large number of people in here have the same aspirations and tactics from a broader perspective: stop acting so pious. I always thought being an honest asshule could be fun, but it's not when all of the other asshules want to play faux outrage and keep their faux personas intact. Labor's been the big bad wolf for a while, so lots of younger players don't realize just how screwed up the people who message them consistently from the time they join truly are. They're using you, dum-dums, just like every power player and every party in this game does. It really bothers me that there are people who actively have done this stuff for years and years. Do you ever get tired of using people for magic internet politics?

I'm tired of trying to create an actual ideological atmosphere with policy contrast, only to have proverbial empty suits crap all over it. You're a moderate? Great. Most people in this game are not actual moderates - they play moderates because that's the easy peasy route to get elected without actually having to be loyal to a movement. Hell, some of them are in my (former) party. That's why the center of gravity always leads to centrist parties emerging - too many Miss Independents who want to have it their way and can't be bothered to pick a side (and yes, there are only two). This isn't real life, ffs - stop the moderate hero softcackery and stand for something other than sheer opposition to something else. That's what is killing the game. When reform can't emerge because everybody's crowding around the center with their hands down each others' pants, you get people such as myself, Xahar and others that will consider any action that will stimulate the game and cause something to happen other than a bunch of centrists having mild disagreements on long-solved aspects of economic and social policy.

As far as I'm concerned, Labor won the game given its ideological limits and potential awhile back. When Nix was elected, I'd say. If that wasn't good enough, we just won 3 out of 5 regional seats just a couple of weeks ago, which is the best we've ever done. Two months prior, we elected Xahar, for Christ's sake. The Senate is the most expansive, most stable in terms of cycles and most ideologically similar delegation we've ever had. Definitely not in the same case as the JCP, but we were never trying to be the JCP and never will be. We flipped the dynamic of the balance of power in this game on its head, saying screw the (up until that point) center-left and redefined the balance as the actual left. JCP, Liberal, whatever - it's all the same crap from different eras. The easy route of broad center-leftism that results in relatively easily-accumulated political power. We fought for our victories, and our power always came with a handicap. So be it. It's been a lot of fun. I started out against the odds and helped build - along with several other great people - the best damn political party to emerge from dissolution. That's a f[inks]ing fact. Not only would I wager that we've had more fun, but we've also got more done, organized more effectively and taken the all-too silly aspects of this game with a bigger grain of salt than most can carry. Will it hold? Who knows, but it won't be my worry anymore.

This Progressive Union nonsense is trouble, and sensible veterans across party lines know it. It has nothing to do with the slights that they've given Labor, which is just icing on the cake for some on my side of the aisle. That's why there have been multiple discussions on the cancerous growth and what it'll mean for Atlasia if left unchecked. The Progressive Union's growth, composition and recruitment efforts is indistinguishable from the surge that we saw when wolfentoad started dragging people in from the forum and from outside sources like Stormfront, effectively over-inflating the game. Mark my words: this one (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?action=profile;u=10811) and this one (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?action=profile;u=7566) will be the Second Coming. I don't think they mean bad and I'm sure they're good kids for the most part, but no one starts out meaning bad in this game - just wait for it. Hopefully, they'll avoid that fate in the game.

It's not just a Labor thing, and I hope that some from the right who privately agree with me will ultimately come forward and call this nonsense out for what it is: a breeding ground for the people who hang around/hold offices in this game for years and years - yet talk about how they don't take it seriously - to cultivate their hordes of buttenbuddies for those elections in which they're totally going to run, on issues that they're totally not going to articulate and with voters that know no better.

I don't see a bright path for reform nor for the left in the near future. Honestly, the members of the actual left can probably help out the game more by allying with the Federalists and cack-blocking the cancer before it metastasizes. The Right knows that it's a threat, too. This is not an ideological issue. You can't fight a force that has no solid base of ideology with ideology. Does the Right want to continue losing prominent players to this force as it grows? I know it doesn't. They'll of course have to fight with themselves: between the situation of a weakened left that allows them to win and the game being eroded by these issues, it may not pan out well for any of you guys. The Right has recently intensified its emulation of the long-standing centrist strategy of pandering to as many people as possible in order to win big elections, but they know that they can't beat the kings on their home court - only when a party like Labor alienates enough of the middle can they win.


So basically, I choose to go out on top. I choose to let go of it all because essentially, I've done everything I wanted to do at this point. I choose to not let the real problems of this game use me as their scapegoat any longer, so that they may be proven wrong in the end. I choose to try to have an actual life this winter. :P


"A real pro knows when to walk away."

I genuinely don't have issue with anyone in this game - it just all comes down to how people want to portray themselves. Honesty, it boils down to this: stop acting like Popes and innocent children when you're Terry McAulliffes and Mitt Romneys. I don't carry these grudges outside Atlasia, and I hope that when we run into one another elsewhere, there won't be any hard feelings.


Maybe I'll come back at some point, and maybe I'll too play a softcack moderate hero if that is the case. I figure there'll be some who want to troll or argue with what I've said, but it doesn't really matter to me at this point. Spin it, bicker, banter, try to get a reaction: whatever.

I do have  a bag of goodies for those people, though: (http://thetrueodinson.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/dildos.jpg) they know what to go do with them.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: LastVoter on November 06, 2013, 04:48:04 am
Farewell Chairman,

I would like to say that AG is almost solely responsible for building Labor as an effective electoral left-wing party. I don't think there are any other members in the labor party who have the ideological conviction or the patience to do so. After a narrow loss in the first presidential election post-dissolution(the left (https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/June_2013_Presidential_Election)got 35% combined vote) Labor party was in shambles and failed to field any presidential candidates. I don't want to call out our names, but our friend's - Napoleon's sociopathic actions in the past 2 years deserve to be specifically called out,  even in a totally unrelated post, he's basically a step above all other villains. He effectively destroyed the Labor party's official power structures by drafting it's head as his VP(Nathan), after doing some minor baiting of Labor in the Senate during Polnut's terms. It's pretty clear that there can't be two left-wing parties in the game. Shortly after he was elected as president i started working in the shadows with AG to build this party. Eventually we wrote a new Constitution and got elected to real positions. Marokai and Nix were elected as president's, and in Nix's presidency labor could essentially legislate anything it wanted with 4 senators that were from labor party + fellow traveler Xahar, not to mention Napoleon being on the Labor ticket as well. At this point I don't think any of us had much interest in legislating, you can look at Xahar's voting record if you don't believe me.

Above all, I just want to say that all of this wouldn't be possible without AG as most other people would have allied with whatever puppet holder that ws controlling the middle at the time and ended the project, or simply quit before all of this came to fruition.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Supersonic on November 06, 2013, 05:56:17 am
Bye.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Endy on November 06, 2013, 06:11:29 am
:( Bye Griffin, I hope you come back. You'll definitely be remembered by me in the future as the guy who wasn't scared to run in the IDS. So farewell, I hope that you won't leave Atlas. You were a great guy Griffin, you will be missed.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on November 06, 2013, 06:26:11 am
     I'll say, you were a good leader, Griffin. Maybe every bit as good as bgwah. I don't know how the Atlasian left will manage without you.

     Your warnings remind me of the situation the country faced when I joined back in 2008. The Atlasian right was dead while the centrist NLC ruled affairs. You would probably include me as being one of those who play moderate, but I couldn't be more serious when I say that domination by those who play host to these bland cults of personality is a truly bleak prospect that we all face.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: TNF on November 06, 2013, 07:33:31 am
Sad to see you go, comrade. But points well made and well taken.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on November 06, 2013, 09:28:48 am
Goodnight, sweet prince. :(


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: MattVT on November 06, 2013, 10:01:30 am
Ugh, this makes me sad. :(


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Maxwell on November 06, 2013, 10:07:38 am
You frustrated me a lot at points, but I had no doubts about your seriousness and ability as a leader of Labor. We are losing one of the greats.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Sbane on November 06, 2013, 10:30:59 am
What's interesting is that AG admits Labor's strategy is to cobble together a narrow coalition of true lefties to just get across the 50% mark. And then he and others turn around and criticize moderates like me for joining the federalists and probably thinks I'm a spineless moderate. Well, I am truly fiscally moderate. I think teachers should get merit pay, BART workers need to go back to work and that the top tax rate shouldn't be more than 50%. And yet I go along with a 60% tax rate in order to pass a budget and I am pandering or pretending to be more right wing than I am in real life? As for social issues, I have been absolutely solidly liberal. Just ask TNF.

People like AG ruin this game. Yes, we need partisanship but the rabid way he goes about it is not necessary. I won't be a spineless moderate unlike some others in this thread and truly say what I feel. Good riddance AG, the game will be better off without you.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Gass3268 on November 06, 2013, 11:04:57 am
People like AG ruin this game. Yes, we need partisanship but the rabid way he goes about it is not necessary. I won't be a spineless moderate unlike some others in this thread and truly say what I feel. Good riddance AG, the game will be better off without you.

I won't be a spinless moderate either and say that AG has done more for this game then you ever have or ever will.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: DemPGH on November 06, 2013, 11:10:25 am
Can you possibly understand that I did what I did not because I'm a sinister sociopath or a pious contrarian or a cancer or an opportunist or whatever else, but because I believed it was right?! It's not "it's the law" yadda yadda yadda, but because I thought I was right. Does that enter into the thought process AT ALL?! I never set out to attack Labor, but if part of the mission is to paint the Labor Party as a besieged band of brothers trying to hold the castle against an army of Vikings, then I really can't give any reasons that would make sense.

And if I had acted in ways that undermined the goals of the administration, I wouldn't have been around. [Insert bad cop motif]. While you cite the fringe that was ready at all times to stage a riot, I can tell you that many, many others sent me notes of encouragement and solidarity across the spectrum. No, not from this cabal who was always ready to riot, but from people who think the game's rules should be respected. And who believed it was in Labor's best interest to return from the fringe. That's what's been feeding all these fires!!!

Besides, when I first came into the game there was a portion of your party who disapproved of me right away, so what would be the point of caving to them even if I wanted to?

I shouldn't have typed that. I want to let this die, but it needed said since the other thread is locked.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on November 06, 2013, 11:11:11 am
I will miss you and your GriffGraphs.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Sbane on November 06, 2013, 11:12:04 am
People like AG ruin this game. Yes, we need partisanship but the rabid way he goes about it is not necessary. I won't be a spineless moderate unlike some others in this thread and truly say what I feel. Good riddance AG, the game will be better off without you.

FACT: AG has done more for this game then you ever have or ever will.

He has done a lot for the labor party. I cannot deny that. Though my main complaint against him is how he goes after people personally. He wants to create a true leftist party and when I don't join that, I am a spineless moderate sociopath or something? Am I supposed to come here and join in the circle jerk congratulating him after he says that about me?

And this is not a dick measuring contest between me and AG. I just quietly went about my job in the Senate. I usually don't really get too involved with the things going on in this side of Atlasia. I never said I did more than AG. I am very glad I was never in party leadership and never had to get involved with the petty partisan politics side of Atlasia. That doesn't appeal to me at all.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Napoleon on November 06, 2013, 11:16:34 am
I think its fair to blame you. Labor was a personality cult more than anything else, with a merely coincidental ideological similarity among members. The other party leaders didn't have enemies lists or take every opportunity to villify others. The amount of behind the back insults and creepy obsessions with certain people is rivaled only by the long forgotten Wolfentoad, who was rightly called out for his behavior. People will overlook it because you have "redeeming qualities" and I've tried to as well but like sbane said, good riddance. The game has gotten progressively worse as you spread more and more division among the left and turned any disagreement into a personal attack. I look at the way you've attacked people like Scott, or trying to lure Kalwejt to the Labor Party while sharing profanity laced insults about him with Nix in the shadows of the IRC and I can't belp but feel this is the right decision for you.

Thanks for the honorable mention.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on November 06, 2013, 02:39:43 pm
Eee!


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on November 06, 2013, 02:46:18 pm
The problem man is that while you say "this isn't real life, so stop acting like it is", you forget that people, especially on the left, refuse to part with their real life driven political animousities and thus like to treat those they disagree with as evil nutcases who are going to bring about Hitler's second coming or something, in an elections game. Which is what creates the very opportunity for your wolftentoad to arise. "Don't vote for Duke, he is Todd Akin".

Also your expectations regarding the political effect of reform centered politics missed the mark, because it failed to take into account the lessons of history. Such reforms may be necessary but they have always split the left and also the right but to a lesser extent, about how they should be done. A political allignment around reform is thus not going to be one alligned based on issues but pro or anti-insert reform effort. You also have landed squarely in the danger zone for the right, where for 60% of Atlasia's existance, the right has been interwoven (hell it is the right) with the preservation of something that has been, in the eyes of many, irreverently (for the deep concern and reasons for the sentiment) placed on the chopping block for sake of the game. Yet, with so many on the left driven into blood-rage destruction mode by the tea party in real life and failing to leave that at the door, and the noted inability of many people on the left to understand those on the right (beyond them being either stupid or corrupt), it is hardly unreasonable for some on the right have doubt about the intentions and/or practical effects, nor illogical for some of them to think that someone would take the counter-productive step (with regards to the game) of seeking their elimination, which would sure as hell boost competativeness obviously.

We hear all these calls for new thinking on the left but they always stop the minute it requires those on the left to leave their comfort zone.

The real reason the center dominates, is because from a game mechanics standpoint, you have to value you both sides from the pesrpective of the benefit of the disagreement and oppositon driven competition. A domination-centric, ideologue, who is blinded to the motivations of the other side beyond evil or stupidity, would destroy the place whether they intended to or not. You cannot have issues based politics, with a huge reform movement looming over our heads. You cannot have competativeness and not allow for the moderation necessary to produce it. And what the  does a Conservative have to encourage them to participate if the story is always the same with the last 65% victory by the next leftist candidate. The only way to not have that is an aggressive movement to the center or a pan-ideological personality coalition.

I know I am getting sick and tired of the next group of leftists to come around and screw some other group of leftists. There are many over there dissolusioned and no wonder, it seems like who you are getting ed by determines which of the two groups you are in. I find myself excellently possessed with the ability to see the horrible qualities in both sides. And frankly, as I said in one of my speeches, where it counts the both of you actually do take the same things seriously and the same things not. If the crap last winter and spring was so horrible, then why is the courtyard filled with victims from this Summer and Fall? Who no doubt will be next Winter and Spring's perpetrators. You say you want to see an end to the moderate hero circle jerk, well I cannot wait for the day when this seasonal cycle comes to an end. Because everyone has to pick a side and thus the right gets dragged in as well and frankly it is boring, pointless, destructive and rather stupid. Why should it be treated like a game in one sense but not when it comes to expecting better then this? Why should the Federalists pick one side or another in that bullsh**t?

No, I am not happy to see you go, but I felt like you really failed to grasp certain things and/or had some unreasonable expectations based on those things and thus why you are disappointed about the results. You say you have won, but it is pretty hard for the left not to win what you have since water rushes downhill and so the next person who can say the same, with the same constraints, will probably be likewise. I think the other problem is that you have already given up, you have surrendered to accepting the worst elements for whatever reason. I have never pretended to be innocent, I recruited Hamilton into Atlasia and realize that a good part of what he proceeded to do had something to do with various actions I took. It is impossible to go through life without hurting anyone at all, but I can think of nothing more unreasonable then to just accept and to concede to such in a place that is built on voluntary participation.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Cath on November 06, 2013, 02:54:56 pm
Godspeed, brother Griff!


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on November 06, 2013, 05:30:46 pm
I rejoined Labor just for you, you big jerk. >:(


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: TNF on November 06, 2013, 06:30:58 pm
ITT Whiners attacking Griffin because they could never beat him


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on November 06, 2013, 06:57:33 pm
Labor would not be what it was and is without you.

Despite being one of those 'moderates' and being legitimately of the centre-left, not the outright left. I accepted that I was on the 'fringe' of my party and that was fine with me. Bgwah's long reign was much more about voter management than it was about a specific set of policies and agendas. Your time as head of Labor, officially or unofficially, was marked by significant voter management and a strong agenda, some of which I agreed with and support, some of which I didn't.

If anything, it was the closest Atlasia has experienced in a long time to a genuine party machine... some see that as a bad thing, I don't see it as good or bad, but it is authentic.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Sbane on November 06, 2013, 08:26:43 pm
ITT Whiners attacking Griffin because they could never beat him

Like I said before, this is not a dick measuring contest.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Talleyrand on November 06, 2013, 08:45:59 pm
As Maxwell stated earlier, we've lose one of the Greats. I can think of but one other person who has contributed as much to Atlasia as you have during my time here. Thanks for everything, Griffin.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Fuzzybigfoot on November 06, 2013, 08:50:37 pm
:(  Sorry to see you go!  You were one of the few things I actually liked about Atlasia!   


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: GAworth on November 06, 2013, 09:05:09 pm
You frustrated me a lot at points, but I had no doubts about your seriousness and ability as a leader of Labor. We are losing one of the greats.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on November 06, 2013, 10:29:22 pm
Why am I Todd Atkin?


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Napoleon on November 06, 2013, 10:37:05 pm
ITT Whiners attacking Griffin because they could never beat him

Like I said before, this is not a dick measuring contest.

And I'm pretty sure we beat them everytime we were up against them lol


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: sentinel on November 06, 2013, 11:14:44 pm
I NAMED A TABLOID AFTER YOU, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT ME TO DO WITH IT NOW!?


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Flake on November 06, 2013, 11:17:26 pm
I NAMED A TABLOID AFTER YOU, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT ME TO DO WITH IT NOW!?

Love Tales of Xahar and the rest of Atlasia?


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Maxwell on November 06, 2013, 11:20:38 pm
I NAMED A TABLOID AFTER YOU, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT ME TO DO WITH IT NOW!?

The Secrets and Scandals of Duke


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: President Tyrion on November 06, 2013, 11:30:02 pm
Duke's Akin Heart


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: AverroŽs on November 07, 2013, 12:10:25 am
Thank you for everything, Adam. You've made Atlasia a more fun and interesting place. None of us can hope to accomplish any more than that.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on November 07, 2013, 12:44:58 am
Why am I Todd Atkin?

It is is generic standin for the kind of thing wolfentoad was doing to you man.



Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Solidarity Forever on November 07, 2013, 07:25:27 am
ITT Whiners attacking Griffin because they could never beat him

Like I said before, this is not a dick measuring contest.

And I'm pretty sure we beat them everytime we were up against them lol

...so this is a dick measuring contest?


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Talleyrand on November 07, 2013, 07:38:48 am
ITT Whiners attacking Griffin because they could never beat him

Like I said before, this is not a dick measuring contest.

And I'm pretty sure we beat them everytime we were up against them lol

Well, this game is your whole life, so most people would rather lose to a pathetic manchild like yourself than send 480 PMs a day, creepily systematically befriend newbies, and continuously lie and attempt to get sympathy. Believe it or not, most people have lives off of Atlasia. ;)

In addition, if your record was anything close to acceptable or admirable, you wouldn't shit in your pants every time the topic of a more succesful player came up. Just sayin'. :)


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: sentinel on November 07, 2013, 09:06:01 am
ITT Whiners attacking Griffin because they could never beat him

Like I said before, this is not a dick measuring contest.

And I'm pretty sure we beat them everytime we were up against them lol

...so this is a dick measuring contest?

2 feet. you?


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Napoleon on November 07, 2013, 12:39:57 pm
ITT Whiners attacking Griffin because they could never beat him

Like I said before, this is not a dick measuring contest.

And I'm pretty sure we beat them everytime we were up against them lol

Well, this game is your whole life, so most people would rather lose to a pathetic manchild like yourself than send 480 PMs a day, creepily systematically befriend newbies, and continuously lie and attempt to get sympathy. Believe it or not, most people have lives off of Atlasia. ;)

In addition, if your record was anything close to acceptable or admirable, you wouldn't shit in your pants every time the topic of a more succesful player came up. Just sayin'. :)

Lol, k


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: ░tmthforu94░ on November 07, 2013, 12:51:25 pm
ITT Whiners attacking Griffin because they could never beat him

Like I said before, this is not a dick measuring contest.

And I'm pretty sure we beat them everytime we were up against them lol

Well, this game is your whole life, so most people would rather lose to a pathetic manchild like yourself than send 480 PMs a day, creepily systematically befriend newbies, and continuously lie and attempt to get sympathy. Believe it or not, most people have lives off of Atlasia. ;)

In addition, if your record was anything close to acceptable or admirable, you wouldn't shit in your pants every time the topic of a more succesful player came up. Just sayin'. :)
A for effort, C- in quality. A lot of questionable statements in those paragraphs.

Also, Napoleon doesn't just creepily befriend newbies. He also creepily befriends longtime players like myself. :)


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: ░tmthforu94░ on November 07, 2013, 05:09:52 pm
I was about to say something really nice about Griffin, but upon realizing that he used his little sob post to make a completely false attack on me, any nice thing I could say would be a lie.

Good riddance to a person who did much more harm to this game than good.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Talleyrand on November 07, 2013, 05:16:56 pm
ITT Whiners attacking Griffin because they could never beat him

Like I said before, this is not a dick measuring contest.

And I'm pretty sure we beat them everytime we were up against them lol

Well, this game is your whole life, so most people would rather lose to a pathetic manchild like yourself than send 480 PMs a day, creepily systematically befriend newbies, and continuously lie and attempt to get sympathy. Believe it or not, most people have lives off of Atlasia. ;)

In addition, if your record was anything close to acceptable or admirable, you wouldn't shit in your pants every time the topic of a more succesful player came up. Just sayin'. :)

Lol, k

Sometimes the truth hurts. I hope I didn't hurt your feelings too much. :D


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: sentinel on November 07, 2013, 05:28:20 pm
What happened to the dick measuring contest?


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Flake on November 07, 2013, 05:29:00 pm
What happened to the dick measuring contest?

I think Siren won.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Dereich on November 07, 2013, 06:33:09 pm
This thread went completely off the rails. Exactly as Griffin would have wanted.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Napoleon on November 07, 2013, 06:34:43 pm
Lol


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on November 07, 2013, 08:44:21 pm
Fantasyland never changes!


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: shua on November 07, 2013, 11:45:30 pm
Believe it or not, most people have lives off of Atlasia. ;)

False.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Napoleon on November 08, 2013, 01:47:45 am
This thread went completely off the rails. Exactly as Griffin would have wanted.

The rails? The TC was simply baiting and attacking. Let's see:

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This Progressive Union nonsense is trouble, and sensible veterans across party lines know it. It has nothing to do with the slights that they've given Labor, which is just icing on the cake for some on my side of the aisle. That's why there have been multiple discussions on the cancerous growth and what it'll mean for Atlasia if left unchecked. The Progressive Union's growth, composition and recruitment efforts is indistinguishable from the surge that we saw when wolfentoad started dragging people in from the forum and from outside sources like Stormfront, effectively over-inflating the game. Mark my words: this one (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?action=profile;u=10811) and this one (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?action=profile;u=7566) will be the Second Coming. I don't think they mean bad and I'm sure they're good kids for the most part, but no one starts out meaning bad in this game - just wait for it. Hopefully, they'll avoid that fate in the game.

It's not just a Labor thing, and I hope that some from the right who privately agree with me will ultimately come forward and call this nonsense out for what it is: a breeding ground for the people who hang around/hold offices in this game for years and years - yet talk about how they don't take it seriously - to cultivate their hordes of buttenbuddies for those elections in which they're totally going to run, on issues that they're totally not going to articulate and with voters that know no better.


Why should the PU stand for this? Bringing up Stormfront, Wolfentoad, etc. Claiming the PU has no ideology and you can't fight it- why didn't he speak up during my second term when the People's Party was emerging with no political distinctiveness? He is only upset because he sees the PU as a threat to Labor. I don't think the PU would surpass Labor in membership at any point but Labor's not going to be able to win straight-up- the party will have to rely on working with others, and they already blew their top tier candidates in the previous two cycles.

Unfortunately, working together with the PU doesn't seem to be an option Adam is interested in pursuing, so he's encouraging his party and the PU to work with Federalists and keep both parties down. It cost them the PPT position and if PU and Labor don't work to improve the relationship, it could cost more for Labor and the PU alike, giving the Federalists a huge advantage to go a long with a surprisingly strong "bench" for big elections in the future.

Honestly, he feels the way I felt at the beginning of my second term. It's tough but I'm sure he will be back. This game is and should be open to second chances.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Sbane on November 08, 2013, 09:14:03 am
I really don't understand why we would cooperate with our biggest rivals in this game. No matter what you think of PU, it most certainly isn't a threat (no offense). So why should we cooperate with Labor if they are the ones we are trying to beat? It doesn't make sense to me beyond just irrational hate of PU.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Gass3268 on November 08, 2013, 09:23:07 am
I was about to say something really nice about Griffin, but upon realizing that he used his little sob post to make a completely false attack on me, any nice thing I could say would be a lie.

Good riddance to a person who did much more harm to this game than good.

::)


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: TNF on November 08, 2013, 09:59:16 am
I was about to say something really nice about Griffin, but upon realizing that he used his little sob post to make a completely false attack on me, any nice thing I could say would be a lie.

Good riddance to a person who did much more harm to this game than good.

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Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: PJ on November 08, 2013, 10:13:48 am
I really don't understand why we would cooperate with our biggest rivals in this game. No matter what you think of PU, it most certainly isn't a threat (no offense). So why should we cooperate with Labor if they are the ones we are trying to beat? It doesn't make sense to me beyond just irrational hate of PU.
I'm certainly not offended. Griffin's supposed claim that we will destroy the game is simply Griffgraph for "The Progressive Union will destroy Labor." This is flattering, but I have no desire and PRO has no desire to destroy any party. It's also a little entertaining for Griffin to reach out to the Feds while insulting them in the same post.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: bgwah on November 08, 2013, 03:33:56 pm
As far as I'm concerned, Labor won the game

Pfft, you got to the level with the Democratic Alliance and threw your controller at the TV ;)


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: ░tmthforu94░ on November 08, 2013, 03:43:45 pm
As far as I'm concerned, Labor won the game

Pfft, you got to the level with the Democratic Alliance and through your controller at the TV ;)
^^^If any specific party "won" the game, it would be the JCP, who won almost every federal election for quite a while (me being the rare exception ;)). We literally did a reset on the parties primarily because of that dominance.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on November 08, 2013, 03:56:16 pm
As far as I'm concerned, Labor won the game

Pfft, you got to the level with the Democratic Alliance and threw your controller at the TV ;)

Yeah, this seems like one of those, **Player gets ahead monetarily in Monopoly**  "I'm tired, let's end the game.  How should we do this?   Hmmmm... how about whoever has the most cash wins?"


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Napoleon on November 08, 2013, 03:57:23 pm
As far as I'm concerned, Labor won the game

Pfft, you got to the level with the Democratic Alliance and through youp controller at the TV ;)
^^^If any specific party "won" the game, it would be the JCP, who won almost every federal election for quite a while (me being the rare exception ;)). We literally did a reset on the parties primarily because of that dominance.

Still, Labor and JCP had natural advantages. Labor has definitely underperformed given that, while JCP slightly overperformed. JCP managed to beat Duke while Griff's group got embarassed two years later. But lets be honest- neither of these parties have managed to pull off backs-against-the-wall victories the Liberal Party managed with my senate victory and then doubling up in April.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: ░tmthforu94░ on November 08, 2013, 04:06:30 pm
Or who could forget the Democratic Alliance, who I believe one time had 18 members and 6 Senators. ;) And the Presidency of Afleitch :P


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: bgwah on November 08, 2013, 04:08:08 pm
As far as I'm concerned, Labor won the game

Pfft, you got to the level with the Democratic Alliance and through youp controller at the TV ;)
^^^If any specific party "won" the game, it would be the JCP, who won almost every federal election for quite a while (me being the rare exception ;)). We literally did a reset on the parties primarily because of that dominance.

Still, Labor and JCP had natural advantages. Labor has definitely underperformed given that, while JCP slightly overperformed. JCP managed to beat Duke while Griff's group got embarassed two years later. But lets be honest- neither of these parties have managed to pull off backs-against-the-wall victories the Liberal Party managed with my senate victory and then doubling up in April.

What a newb thing to say. :P

https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/December_2010_Senate_Election

https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/March_2011_Special_Senate_Election

https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/April_2011_Senate_Election

The last two are especially beautiful. There have been some successful players since I retired (Napoleon and Adam), sure. But I have yet to see anyone come even close to manipulating at-large elections like I did. :)


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: bgwah on November 08, 2013, 04:13:15 pm
I do sympathize with Adam (and Napoleon before him). If you're winning the game you get blamed for everything, often unfairly so. But a big part of playing the game is taking down whichever party is currently on top, so if you're winning that means you're constantly on the defensive.

At some point I accepted that people want to reform things. They want to leave their mark on the game. Sure, we tried it before, it failed, and it will fail again, but they need to see that on their own. For example, somebody will win with "zombies," the losers throw a temper tantrum, create dumb voting restrictions, turnout falls, the restrictions are removed to increase activity, etc. And the cycle will repeat itself again and again.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: LastVoter on November 08, 2013, 06:24:21 pm
As far as I'm concerned, Labor won the game

Pfft, you got to the level with the Democratic Alliance and through youp controller at the TV ;)
^^^If any specific party "won" the game, it would be the JCP, who won almost every federal election for quite a while (me being the rare exception ;)). We literally did a reset on the parties primarily because of that dominance.

Still, Labor and JCP had natural advantages. Labor has definitely underperformed given that, while JCP slightly overperformed. JCP managed to beat Duke while Griff's group got embarassed two years later. But lets be honest- neither of these parties have managed to pull off backs-against-the-wall victories the Liberal Party managed with my senate victory and then doubling up in April.
Liberal party never had an ideology or even agenda. Labor needed one term from Nix to implement theirs, and even then some of us got bored half-way through it (cue NMAM).


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Sbane on November 08, 2013, 06:27:56 pm
The liberal party did have an ideology, Seatown. You just don't want to acknowledge it.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: LastVoter on November 08, 2013, 06:36:17 pm
The liberal party did have an ideology, Seatown. You just don't want to acknowledge it.
Neo-liberalism claims to be post-ideoligcal, ce n'est pas terrible?


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Sbane on November 08, 2013, 06:59:32 pm
The liberal party did have an ideology, Seatown. You just don't want to acknowledge it.
Neo-liberalism claims to be post-ideoligcal, ce n'est pas terrible?

Yeah, we weren't really neo-liberal. I don't think neo liberals agree with strengthening a single payer health care system. The liberal party did that. The liberal party believed in increasing the freedom of every single Atlasian while at the same time preventing overreach from labor stalwarts, such as yourself or TNF. That is the ideology I have represented in the Senate and I have continued to do it when I was a liberal and when I switched to the Federalists because they were the only sane major party left. If you feel I changed my ideology, please do provide examples. Or else shut the fuck up. Thanks!


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: LastVoter on November 08, 2013, 07:20:32 pm
The liberal party did have an ideology, Seatown. You just don't want to acknowledge it.
Neo-liberalism claims to be post-ideoligcal, ce n'est pas terrible?

Yeah, we weren't really neo-liberal. I don't think neo liberals agree with strengthening a single payer health care system. The liberal party did that. The liberal party believed in increasing the freedom of every single Atlasian while at the same time preventing overreach from labor stalwarts, such as yourself or TNF. That is the ideology I have represented in the Senate and I have continued to do it when I was a liberal and when I switched to the Federalists because they were the only sane major party left. If you feel I changed my ideology, please do provide examples. Or else shut the fuck up. Thanks!
You & Napoleon sure like to use that word a lot. Where did I ever imply that you changed you ideology? The only thing that happened was wolf shedding the sheep's clothing.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Napoleon on November 08, 2013, 07:40:53 pm
The liberal party did have an ideology, Seatown. You just don't want to acknowledge it.
Neo-liberalism claims to be post-ideoligcal, ce n'est pas terrible?

Yeah, we weren't really neo-liberal. I don't think neo liberals agree with strengthening a single payer health care system. The liberal party did that. The liberal party believed in increasing the freedom of every single Atlasian while at the same time preventing overreach from labor stalwarts, such as yourself or TNF. That is the ideology I have represented in the Senate and I have continued to do it when I was a liberal and when I switched to the Federalists because they were the only sane major party left. If you feel I changed my ideology, please do provide examples. Or else shut the fuck up. Thanks!
You & Napoleon sure like to use that word a lot. Where did I ever imply that you changed you ideology? The only thing that happened was wolf shedding the sheep's clothing.

Do you masturbate to my posting history? That's hot.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Sbane on November 08, 2013, 07:43:42 pm
The liberal party did have an ideology, Seatown. You just don't want to acknowledge it.
Neo-liberalism claims to be post-ideoligcal, ce n'est pas terrible?

Yeah, we weren't really neo-liberal. I don't think neo liberals agree with strengthening a single payer health care system. The liberal party did that. The liberal party believed in increasing the freedom of every single Atlasian while at the same time preventing overreach from labor stalwarts, such as yourself or TNF. That is the ideology I have represented in the Senate and I have continued to do it when I was a liberal and when I switched to the Federalists because they were the only sane major party left. If you feel I changed my ideology, please do provide examples. Or else shut the fuck up. Thanks!
You & Napoleon sure like to use that word a lot. Where did I ever imply that you changed you ideology? The only thing that happened was wolf shedding the sheep's clothing.

LOL WTF? We were always clear that we weren't a leftist party. We were liberals. Of course the word liberal means something different in America as opposed to Britain, but the only reason for that is due to the utter defeat of the Labor viewpoint in America. Thus in America, the paradigm is between the liberals and the conservatives. Things are different in Atlasia of course. And I have continued my viewpoints into my change of party. Or else I wouldn't support a 60% top tax rate and reduce spending on the military and farm subsidies along the way. I love how you guys criticize us in the abstract. Why don't you criticize specific parts of my record? I would love to defend that!


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Oakvale on November 09, 2013, 05:16:26 am
Can anyone really disagree on the substance of the argument - that the P-U's recent pan-ideological recruitment push is greatly disturbing? I'm not looking forward to an amorphous intellectually void blob hovering around the centre of the game.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Napoleon on November 09, 2013, 05:59:57 am
Can anyone really disagree on the substance of the argument - that the P-U's recent pan-ideological recruitment push is greatly disturbing? I'm not looking forward to an amorphous intellectually void blob hovering around the centre of the game.

> was in TPP


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Oakvale on November 09, 2013, 06:06:01 am
Can anyone really disagree on the substance of the argument - that the P-U's recent pan-ideological recruitment push is greatly disturbing? I'm not looking forward to an amorphous intellectually void blob hovering around the centre of the game.

> was in TPP

The crucial difference being that TPP didn't attempt to recruit hordes of newbies in a membership-boosting stunt, we always were a small party.

e: Also if you look at the membership of TPP it was people like me, Cinci, Duke, X, Franzl... people who you could all clearly say were more or less on the same spectrum politically. This isn't the like the P-U which literally refuses to take positions on abortion and has people who think gay marriage is a sick abomination as members in good standing.

And, of course, TPP wasn't the successor to the Wolfentoad machine...


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Napoleon on November 09, 2013, 11:28:23 am
TPP had no ideology and there was only one contested vote during my entire presidency which had its senate delegation voting cohesively. It was a nonideological blob. TexasDem recruited or tried to recruit newbies all the time; perhaps he was acting on his own but it wasn't exactly a secret. Wolfentoad's been long gone and has m othing to do with the PU. Hard to have a conversation when one side is so full of sh**t...


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Talleyrand on November 09, 2013, 01:49:27 pm
TPP had no ideology and there was only one contested vote during my entire presidency which had its senate delegation voting cohesively. It was a nonideological blob. TexasDem recruited or tried to recruit newbies all the time; perhaps he was acting on his own but it wasn't exactly a secret. Wolfentoad's been long gone and has m othing to do with the PU. Hard to have a conversation when one side is so full of sh**t...
Aww...

The funny thing was that TPP had six, excellent and active Senators (Ben, Mr. X, Simfan, Nix, Franzl, and Oakvale), all of whom participated in debate and made excellent contributions in office, while at the time the Liberal Party had none (possibly due to your openly destructive presidency). And at times when the Liberal Party did have Senators in office, they were either inactive (Napoleon/Kalwejt) or dick buddies (Sbane/Napoleon). Seems to any reasonable observer you're quite jealous of TPP's delegation. And as Oak has said, the membership of TPP was more or less ideologically similar. This might be a novel concept for you, but ideologically similar doesn't mean ideologically identical. It's not surprising someone's who has been as awful a Senator as yourself would rather have people vote as an unthinking horde.

Also, you claimed earlier that Labor, which usually has its Senators voting together (mostly because the issues before the Senate at the time have dealt with labor/employment issues) is a personality cult and ideological blob? It seems like this is just one of the buzzwords you throw around whenever you have to explain why a party easily outdid your magical Liberal Party (lol).

I did recruit people for TPP, but when I did, I only contacted center-left folks. And when most of them got back to me, either Wolfentoad had PMed them as soon as they joined the site or they had received so many PMs from (sometimes 20+) that they had no interest in joining the game. In addition, he recruited people from Stormfront and tried to bring everyone, libertarian, conservative, or socialist into the Liberal Party, an ideological blob. Not comparable.

Grow up a little bit and try again.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: PJ on November 09, 2013, 01:56:57 pm
The Progressive Union is not the ideological blob the Liberal Party once was. Everyone I have tried to recruit is within the mainstream of our party. PRO is not simply a reincarnation of Liberal because former Liberals have joined PRO, Labor, Federalist, and D-R alike.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Napoleon on November 09, 2013, 02:01:13 pm
Lol, if that's how you see things


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on November 09, 2013, 02:03:00 pm
Can anyone really disagree on the substance of the argument - that the P-U's recent pan-ideological recruitment push is greatly disturbing? I'm not looking forward to an amorphous intellectually void blob hovering around the centre of the game.

Shades of the UAC.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Siren on November 09, 2013, 02:07:27 pm
The only sickening thing I see in this thread is a bunch of bullying by people that probably stand against bullying IRL.  Ick.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Sbane on November 09, 2013, 02:07:57 pm
or dick buddies (Sbane/Napoleon)

I love how this is biggest criticism of me they can come up with. "OMGZ he is a dick buddy!" (btw the term you were likely looking for is "butt buddies")


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Talleyrand on November 09, 2013, 02:12:55 pm
or dick buddies (Sbane/Napoleon)

I love how this is biggest criticism of me they can come up with. "OMGZ he is a dick buddy!" (btw the term you were likely looking for is "butt buddies")

Eh, your subpar activity record in the Senate is another one, plus your consistent childish whining everytime things don't go your way, or the fact that you have literally contributed nothing to this game, yet constantly attack those who do (such as Adam Griffin).

I guess you two have nothing to say against the rest of my post and will instead pout in a corner and masturbate each other?


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Talleyrand on November 09, 2013, 02:14:55 pm
Can anyone really disagree on the substance of the argument - that the P-U's recent pan-ideological recruitment push is greatly disturbing? I'm not looking forward to an amorphous intellectually void blob hovering around the centre of the game.

Shades of the UAC.

Just looked this up on the wiki. Probably the best analogy to what the Progressive Union is turning into, despite the good intentions of some in the party.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on November 09, 2013, 02:16:37 pm
It occurs to me that the solution to all of this mess is to greatly restrict the franchise to only those who were active in the Good Old Days.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Napoleon on November 09, 2013, 02:26:30 pm
or dick buddies (Sbane/Napoleon)

I love how this is biggest criticism of me they can come up with. "OMGZ he is a dick buddy!" (btw the term you were likely looking for is "butt buddies")

Eh, your subpar activity record in the Senate is another one, plus your consistent childish whining everytime things don't go your way, or the fact that you have literally contributed nothing to this game, yet constantly attack those who do (such as Adam Griffin).

I guess you two have nothing to say against the rest of my post and will instead pout in a corner and masturbate each other?
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What about your garbage attempt at being SoEA?


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Scott on November 09, 2013, 02:26:57 pm
When is this thread going to be closed already?


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Talleyrand on November 09, 2013, 02:32:20 pm
or dick buddies (Sbane/Napoleon)

I love how this is biggest criticism of me they can come up with. "OMGZ he is a dick buddy!" (btw the term you were likely looking for is "butt buddies")

Eh, your subpar activity record in the Senate is another one, plus your consistent childish whining everytime things don't go your way, or the fact that you have literally contributed nothing to this game, yet constantly attack those who do (such as Adam Griffin).

I guess you two have nothing to say against the rest of my post and will instead pout in a corner and masturbate each other?
What about your garbage attempt at being SoEA?

I resigned as soon as I couldn't do the job anymore. I don't recall you resigning despite your garbage attempt to be President, or your three garbage terms as Senator. Cute attempt to avoid the issue at hand though; I'll give you that.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Sbane on November 09, 2013, 02:33:00 pm
or dick buddies (Sbane/Napoleon)

I love how this is biggest criticism of me they can come up with. "OMGZ he is a dick buddy!" (btw the term you were likely looking for is "butt buddies")

Eh, your subpar activity record in the Senate is another one, plus your consistent childish whining everytime things don't go your way, or the fact that you have literally contributed nothing to this game, yet constantly attack those who do (such as Adam Griffin).

I guess you two have nothing to say against the rest of my post and will instead pout in a corner and masturbate each other?

I have been an active Senator whenever I have been in the Senate and have been active in Senate debates. I don't see how anyone can dispute this. Would you also say Gass is a subpar Senator, then? Or is that a different matter because he is a Labor Senator? And all of this brings up the point....who the hell are you and what have you done for Atlasia?


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Napoleon on November 09, 2013, 02:35:00 pm
He's a high schooler with a keyboard. He is much smarter than us.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Oakvale on November 09, 2013, 02:36:13 pm
To be fair a "high schooler with a keyboard" is the exact kind of person who can play Atlasia without it being vaguely embarrassing. And I include myself in the "vaguely embarrassing" category obviously.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Talleyrand on November 09, 2013, 02:36:55 pm
Gass has given a reason for his absence, and is retiring because he will become busy with school. And at the very least, he's shown up to vote on nearly every bill and not made bizarre personal attacks on people he's jealous of.

or dick buddies (Sbane/Napoleon)

I love how this is biggest criticism of me they can come up with. "OMGZ he is a dick buddy!" (btw the term you were likely looking for is "butt buddies")

Eh, your subpar activity record in the Senate is another one, plus your consistent childish whining everytime things don't go your way, or the fact that you have literally contributed nothing to this game, yet constantly attack those who do (such as Adam Griffin).

I guess you two have nothing to say against the rest of my post and will instead pout in a corner and masturbate each other?

I have been an active Senator whenever I have been in the Senate and have been active in Senate debates. I don't see how anyone can dispute this. Would you also say Gass is a subpar Senator, then? Or is that a different matter because he is a Labor Senator? And all of this brings up the point....who the hell are you and what have you done for Atlasia?

I served 4 terms as a Mideast Assemblyman, where I was one of the most active members and worked to revitalize the region. I served a term and a half as SoEA and then resigned when my activity level wasn't up the job anymore. I'm currently a Northeast Representative and have played an active role in debates.

I'm not some idiot who has been part of this game for four years and does nothing but run around and scream "I'M BUTTHURT!!!!".  


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Talleyrand on November 09, 2013, 02:37:59 pm
He's a high schooler with a keyboard. He is much smarter than us.

While you're a twenty-seven year old who spends 24 hours a day on this forum and constantly jacks off to his "records" in a fantasy game.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Napoleon on November 09, 2013, 02:38:54 pm
He's a high schooler with a keyboard. He is much smarter than us.

While you're a twenty-seven year old who spends 24 hours a day on this forum and constantly jacks off to his "records" in a fantasy game.

So am I inactive or on here 24/7? I don't see how it could be both.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Talleyrand on November 09, 2013, 02:41:31 pm
He's a high schooler with a keyboard. He is much smarter than us.

While you're a twenty-seven year old who spends 24 hours a day on this forum and constantly jacks off to his "records" in a fantasy game.

So am I inactive or on here 24/7? I don't see how it could be both.

You somehow manage to be on the site 24/7 and be inactive in the Senate at the same time. Only you can answer the question why that is the case.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Napoleon on November 09, 2013, 02:43:21 pm
I continue to impress in that case.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Talleyrand on November 09, 2013, 02:44:47 pm
I continue to impress in that case.

*yawn*

I expected that to be the case from someone's whose primary concern is having a position, not doing it.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Napoleon on November 09, 2013, 02:47:30 pm
I continue to impress in that case.

I expected that to be the case from someone's whose primary concern is having a position, not doing it.

My life doesn't feel complete unless fifteen people on some forum vote me into a fake political office. If I lose I might have to find a new dick buddy!


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Talleyrand on November 09, 2013, 02:48:31 pm
I continue to impress in that case.

I expected that to be the case from someone's whose primary concern is having a position, not doing it.

My life doesn't feel complete unless fifteen people on some forum vote me into a fake political office. If I lose I might have to find a new dick buddy!

Very true! :)


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Sbane on November 09, 2013, 02:57:21 pm
Gass has given a reason for his absence, and is retiring because he will become busy with school. And at the very least, he's shown up to vote on nearly every bill and not made bizarre personal attacks on people he's jealous of.

or dick buddies (Sbane/Napoleon)

I love how this is biggest criticism of me they can come up with. "OMGZ he is a dick buddy!" (btw the term you were likely looking for is "butt buddies")

Eh, your subpar activity record in the Senate is another one, plus your consistent childish whining everytime things don't go your way, or the fact that you have literally contributed nothing to this game, yet constantly attack those who do (such as Adam Griffin).

I guess you two have nothing to say against the rest of my post and will instead pout in a corner and masturbate each other?

I have been an active Senator whenever I have been in the Senate and have been active in Senate debates. I don't see how anyone can dispute this. Would you also say Gass is a subpar Senator, then? Or is that a different matter because he is a Labor Senator? And all of this brings up the point....who the hell are you and what have you done for Atlasia?

I served 4 terms as a Mideast Assemblyman, where I was one of the most active members and worked to revitalize the region. I served a term and a half as SoEA and then resigned when my activity level wasn't up the job anymore. I'm currently a Northeast Representative and have played an active role in debates.

I'm not some idiot who has been part of this game for four years and does nothing but run around and scream "I'M BUTTHURT!!!!". 

And it is because of the reasons that Gass cited that I have ever been inactive and why I have never been that involved in the game. I am actually in grad school and really shouldn't even be here, but this where I waste my time, sadly. I really consider myself more of a voter than someone who gets involved with the day to day running of the game. This was true for most of my time here and I was fine with that. I only became Senator because there was literally no one else. And I ended up liking the job, but no I don't want to spend a lot of time in Atlasia. The fact that you think that is a bad thing reflects poorly on you, not me.

I didn't attack AG for not being active or not doing a lot. I attacked him for being a dickish attack dog who could have achieved what he wanted to without being such a tool. So I really don't get why you people keep saying that I need to achieve more than him to criticize him. He has made the environment in Atlasia today more caustic, as this thread is another evidence of.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Napoleon on November 09, 2013, 03:00:25 pm
Sbane, a lot of these guys arrived adter Adam and don't understand that things weren't like this until Adam took a dump all over the game, along with seatown and snowstalker. Before then the worst fighting was usually left vs right disagreeing or Marokai and I going at it over some gimmicky proposal that would never materialize. I don't even see how it can be fixed at this point.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: ░tmthforu94░ on November 09, 2013, 03:06:25 pm
A Laborite criticizing Sbane for his activity level in the Senate? Oh the irony...


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: King Francis I on November 09, 2013, 03:09:27 pm
Well, I have a question: differences between TPP and Liberals?


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: PJ on November 09, 2013, 03:12:03 pm
Everyone needs to stop talking.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Sbane on November 09, 2013, 03:32:52 pm
Sbane, a lot of these guys arrived adter Adam and don't understand that things weren't like this until Adam took a dump all over the game, along with seatown and snowstalker. Before then the worst fighting was usually left vs right disagreeing or Marokai and I going at it over some gimmicky proposal that would never materialize. I don't even see how it can be fixed at this point.

Yeah, many people didn't like Bgwah but he was a saint compared to AG. And of NCYankee was great too when he was leading the RPP. There were fights and disagreements but no one called each other "dick buddies".


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: LastVoter on November 09, 2013, 03:39:28 pm
Sbane, a lot of these guys arrived adter Adam and don't understand that things weren't like this until Adam took a dump all over the game, along with seatown and snowstalker. Before then the worst fighting was usually left vs right disagreeing or Marokai and I going at it over some gimmicky proposal that would never materialize. I don't even see how it can be fixed at this point.
Thanks for admitting that we won.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on November 09, 2013, 03:56:54 pm
The only sickening thing I see in this thread is a bunch of bullying by people that probably stand against bullying IRL.  Ick.

It truly is shocking to see is it not, yet typically they don't see it.


Title: Re: Blame someone else.
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on November 09, 2013, 04:17:03 pm
 
Everyone needs to stop talking.

Actually everyone needs to keep talking. The more they post it publically, the more likely they will be to read over and reflect on both their words and their actions.

I would point out there was a desire to have more Conservative members in the TPP as well. I came very close to joining it in late 2012. However, I had no problems with the IB and I dislike frequent party changes so I decided against it.