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Title: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 01, 2014, 12:20:34 am
Happy New Year everyone, and welcome to the new thread! I found this year's Bye-Bye about as amusing as last year's, which is to say 6/10. Room for improvement.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on January 01, 2014, 12:32:56 am
Looking forward to it. What's coming up this year? New Brunswick votes in the fall and possibly Quebec/Ontario. Anything else?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 01, 2014, 12:41:06 am
Toronto votes in October. New boundaries take effect May 1. Grits will be picking their candidates this year. If the federal election's next spring - Harper has said as much due to the provincial votes scheduled next fall - then this summer kicks off the pre-writ period. Insofar as it still exists in the Permanent Campaign. :P  This will also be the last deficit budget, hopefully.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Zioneer on January 01, 2014, 01:45:48 am
It's my resolution to learn more about Canadian politics in 2014 then I did in 2013.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: henster on January 01, 2014, 02:13:55 am
Does anyone get the feeling that Justin Trudeau could be Canada's Barack Obama? I'm getting a    Bush vibe from Stephen Harper as well.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Foucaulf on January 01, 2014, 02:28:40 am
Does anyone get the feeling that Justin Trudeau could be Canada's Barack Obama? I'm getting a    Bush vibe from Stephen Harper as well.

No.

(One of the important secrets of Canadian politics is that the Conservatives were the first to embrace the Obama campaign's big-data tactics - though they had to cancel their newest voter database project.)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on January 01, 2014, 09:24:34 am
Does anyone get the feeling that Justin Trudeau could be Canada's Barack Obama? I'm getting a    Bush vibe from Stephen Harper as well.

No.

(One of the important secrets of Canadian politics is that the Conservatives were the first to embrace the Obama campaign's big-data tactics - though they had to cancel their newest voter database project.)

Yeah. if Harper is like a Bush, he'd be Bush I. Dull and competent.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 01, 2014, 09:47:28 am
14 PMBs to watch. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/14-backbenchers-set-to-seize-the-commons-spotlight-in-2014-1.2467241)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hash on January 01, 2014, 10:02:56 am
I get a Justin Bieber vibe from Justin Trudeau.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 01, 2014, 10:09:19 am
EKOS year-end poll is out.  (http://www.ipolitics.ca/2013/12/31/the-ekos-poll-shedding-light-on-a-dark-year/) Greatest Canadian of 2013 is Hatfield by a wide margin, Ford Biggest Villain, Trudeau Preferred Drinking Companion, most Canadians expect either the Tories or Grits to win next year.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on January 01, 2014, 11:29:06 am
Toronto votes in October. 

Ahem. All of Ontario's municipalities vote in October. >(

EKOS year-end poll is out.  (http://www.ipolitics.ca/2013/12/31/the-ekos-poll-shedding-light-on-a-dark-year/) Greatest Canadian of 2013 is Hatfield by a wide margin, Ford Biggest Villain, Trudeau Preferred Drinking Companion, most Canadians expect either the Tories or Grits to win next year.

Again, no one has an ipolitics account! Here is the EKOS link: http://www.ekospolitics.com/index.php/2013/12/looking-backward-and-looking-forward-part-1/


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on January 01, 2014, 11:31:14 am
FTR, I mentioned they should include Justin Bieber in that poll. They were having none of that.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 01, 2014, 03:10:19 pm
Jim Coutts has died after a long battle with cancer. RIP.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Poirot on January 01, 2014, 03:15:47 pm
FTR, I mentioned they should include Justin Bieber in that poll. They were having none of that.

No Bieber but Carly Rae Jepson was included in the choice for greatest canadian. (she received 0.5%)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Cassius on January 01, 2014, 06:02:19 pm
Isn't Trudeau only Liberal leader because his father was? (In terms of the whole 'sentiment' thing).


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on January 01, 2014, 06:32:50 pm
Isn't Trudeau only Liberal leader because his father was? (In terms of the whole 'sentiment' thing).

Yes. If his last name wasn't Trudeau I doubt he would've even won the nomination in his own riding.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: You kip if you want to... on January 01, 2014, 07:03:43 pm
Isn't Trudeau only Liberal leader because his father was? (In terms of the whole 'sentiment' thing).

Yes. If his last name wasn't Trudeau I doubt he would've even won the nomination in his own riding.

For me, in terms of the whole "in it for himself/famous last name" thing, he's less deserving of his position than Iggy.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 01, 2014, 07:14:49 pm
There's a long dynastic tradition in federal politics and certain provinces (BC, Ontario, Quebec in particular) too, but that's faded over the years. Federally, this is the first time a party leader's son led that party. In the '70s David and Stephen Lewis led the federal and Ontario NDP concurrently for a few years. Mulcair's descended from legendary PLQ premier Honoré Mercier, BTW.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: True Federalist on January 01, 2014, 07:55:49 pm
I get a Justin Bieber vibe from Justin Trudeau.

Is Trudeau Chapiteau as bad as Beiber Fever or are the two clowns not really comparable?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 01, 2014, 08:04:52 pm
9 questions on Ontarian politics. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com//news/politics/nine-questions-about-ontarios-political-future-in-2014/article16157705/?cmpid=rss1&click=dlvr.it)

TF: Since (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xyiiR2ZSNs) you asked.  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYlWiZMhaLE)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 02, 2014, 09:35:06 am
Ford has filed for reelection "Ford More Years."  (http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2014/01/01/torontos_2014_election_kicks_off_with_rob_ford_in_the_starting_gate.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed) Chow and Tory won't declare for another month or 2, if they do.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hash on January 02, 2014, 02:06:43 pm
So there are more people who feel that Rob Ford (or basically any politician) is a greater Canadian than Carly Rae Jepsen? Please end the world.

(and apparently the idiots spelled her name wrong. Please prepare the drones)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on January 02, 2014, 03:43:41 pm
So there are more people who feel that Rob Ford (or basically any politician) is a greater Canadian than Carly Rae Jepsen? Please end the world.

(and apparently the idiots spelled her name wrong. Please prepare the drones)

I'll let the guy who made the mistake know that you personally think he's an idiot ::)

Luckily, it was spelled correctly on the survey itself.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 02, 2014, 07:27:34 pm
Solid Paul Adams piece on class. (http://www.ipolitics.ca/2014/01/01/is-justin-trudeau-talking-to-you/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 03, 2014, 10:06:02 am
Grits narrowly won Q4, $2.2 to $1.7 million. (http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/canada/396418/justin-trudeau-remplit-les-coffres-du-parti-liberal) Anyone know the Dipper numbers?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 03, 2014, 01:47:08 pm
Unsurprisingly, Trudeau wins the beer test.  (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/01/03/justin-trudeau-beer-poll-harper-mulcair_n_4536352.html?ir=Canada+Politics) Except in Quebec, where Mulcair does.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on January 03, 2014, 02:27:22 pm
Unsurprisingly, Trudeau wins the beer test.  (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/01/03/justin-trudeau-beer-poll-harper-mulcair_n_4536352.html?ir=Canada+Politics) Except in Quebec, where Mulcair does.

Trudeau because I want to ask him if it was awkward running against someone his Dad used to bang.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on January 03, 2014, 04:08:20 pm
Unsurprisingly, Trudeau wins the beer test.  (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/01/03/justin-trudeau-beer-poll-harper-mulcair_n_4536352.html?ir=Canada+Politics) Except in Quebec, where Mulcair does.

Trudeau because I want to ask him if it was awkward running against someone his Dad used to bang.

I doubt it was awkward, considering how many ladies PET messed with.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Zioneer on January 03, 2014, 04:12:00 pm
Ford has filed for reelection "Ford More Years."  (http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2014/01/01/torontos_2014_election_kicks_off_with_rob_ford_in_the_starting_gate.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed) Chow and Tory won't declare for another month or 2, if they do.

I really don't understand the people who would still vote for Ford.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 03, 2014, 04:22:10 pm
Wrong thread now, but they're his hardcore tribalists.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on January 03, 2014, 04:22:40 pm
Ford has filed for reelection "Ford More Years."  (http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2014/01/01/torontos_2014_election_kicks_off_with_rob_ford_in_the_starting_gate.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed) Chow and Tory won't declare for another month or 2, if they do.

I really don't understand the people who would still vote for Ford.

This is a good analysis: http://torontoist.com/2014/01/the-teflon-mayor-reading-rob-fords-poll-numbers/


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on January 03, 2014, 04:25:09 pm
Of note, Ford supporters tend to be lower educated, often lower income, non-white (non WASP, especially; Ford is a Catholic), suburban, car drivers.  Basically the kind of people who think they're on the "outside" of power.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 03, 2014, 04:26:47 pm
Far more depressing news: *at least* 4000 kids died in the residential school system. (http://o.canada.com/news/national/at-least-4000-aboriginal-children-died-in-residential-schools-commission-finds/#.UscS6ej6BvU.twitter) Not till '96 were the last of them shuttered.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: True Federalist on January 03, 2014, 05:29:13 pm
Ford has filed for reelection "Ford More Years."  (http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2014/01/01/torontos_2014_election_kicks_off_with_rob_ford_in_the_starting_gate.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed) Chow and Tory won't declare for another month or 2, if they do.

I really don't understand the people who would still vote for Ford.

Considering that the council has effectively neutered the mayor's office, I'd be willing to vote for Ford either for the lols or simply as a protest.  That isn't to say I would vote for Ford.  I don't know if there would be a candidate I could support in eir own right.  Even if there be no such candidate, I don't know if I'd want to protest the Third York City Council. Nor do I know if I'd think Ford would be the best person to tweak the council with.  On the other hand, if I were a Canadian comedian, I'd absolutely vote for Ford.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on January 03, 2014, 06:01:35 pm
Ford has filed for reelection "Ford More Years."  (http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2014/01/01/torontos_2014_election_kicks_off_with_rob_ford_in_the_starting_gate.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed) Chow and Tory won't declare for another month or 2, if they do.

I really don't understand the people who would still vote for Ford.

Considering that the council has effectively neutered the mayor's office, I'd be willing to vote for Ford either for the lols or simply as a protest.  That isn't to say I would vote for Ford.  I don't know if there would be a candidate I could support in eir own right.  Even if there be no such candidate, I don't know if I'd want to protest the Third York City Council. Nor do I know if I'd think Ford would be the best person to tweak the council with.  On the other hand, if I were a Canadian comedian, I'd absolutely vote for Ford.

Hey now, you should definitely vote for your economic best interests :D


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on January 03, 2014, 06:06:49 pm
Most successful Canadian comedians go south in their "economic best interests" and thus wouldn't be eligible to vote.

I don't think very many Toronto comedians are voting for Ford. Do you honestly think Rick Mercer is a member of Ford Nation?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Holmes on January 03, 2014, 06:13:05 pm
I wish I knew more Toronto comedians but I don't. I sometimes go to comedy clubs downtown and Ford comes up a bit, but it's never really Torontonian comedians performing so...


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 03, 2014, 06:14:21 pm
Thank God: Sea Kings will be retired starting next year.  (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/01/03/ottawa-wont-scrap-cyclone-chopper-purchase-sea-kings-to-start-retiring-in-2015/#.UsdD8NCEiUl)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 03, 2014, 11:45:35 pm
Coutts obituary. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/jim-coutts-was-trudeaus-right-hand/article16193954/?page=all)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 04, 2014, 09:53:12 am
OPCs should focus on the economy, since White Papers can only take flight with a majority.  (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/hudaks-diagnosis-of-fiscal-crisis-proves-a-hard-sell/article16193805/) Almost like some moderates there forget what happened 2 years ago when they backflipped and ran as McGuinty-lite.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: You kip if you want to... on January 04, 2014, 10:35:38 am
Unsurprisingly, Trudeau wins the beer test.  (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/01/03/justin-trudeau-beer-poll-harper-mulcair_n_4536352.html?ir=Canada+Politics)

I feel like he'd spend the whole time talking about himself. Eugh.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on January 04, 2014, 11:30:40 am
I'm curious. Where does everyone stand on Michael Chong's bill?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 04, 2014, 11:38:20 am
Staunchly oppose. (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2013/12/03/chong-bill-needs-some-sober-first-thought/#.Usg35NCEiUk) My hope is that Harper and Poilievre kill it with a smile, have a debate but then send it off to committee oblivion.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 05, 2014, 12:06:27 pm
Dippers raised 800k last Q. (http://globalnews.ca/news/1062625/ndp-exceed-fundraising-goal-in-december-still-far-behind-liberals-and-conservatives/) Is there something I'm missing? On QP Flaherty insisted, without prompting, that he's running in 2015 and so will Harper. Though for obvious reasons Flaherty could hardly say otherwise about his own prospects. Needless to say Clement would be his replacement were he to leave. Mulcair talked as usual about hiking corporate taxes and energy policy, Trudeau was Jell-O but did talk about the usual infrastructure/health/education Grit stuff to do with the surplus. Scoop from Ivison: apparently Kenney threatened to quit Cabinet over his new portfolio (which he doesn't like) because he feels he's been set up to fail without more money allocated in the budget. Probably an underlying cause of his feud with Flaherty.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on January 05, 2014, 02:07:36 pm
Staunchly oppose. (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2013/12/03/chong-bill-needs-some-sober-first-thought/#.Usg35NCEiUk) My hope is that Harper and Poilievre kill it with a smile, have a debate but then send it off to committee oblivion.

Somewhat oppose. The political junkie in me likes it, but the person who wants stable government does not :P

Dippers raised 800k last Q. (http://globalnews.ca/news/1062625/ndp-exceed-fundraising-goal-in-december-still-far-behind-liberals-and-conservatives/) Is there something I'm missing? On QP Flaherty insisted, without prompting, that he's running in 2015 and so will Harper. Though for obvious reasons Flaherty could hardly say otherwise about his own prospects. Needless to say Clement would be his replacement were he to leave. Mulcair talked as usual about hiking corporate taxes and energy policy, Trudeau was Jell-O but did talk about the usual infrastructure/health/education Grit stuff to do with the surplus. Scoop from Ivison: apparently Kenney threatened to quit Cabinet over his new portfolio (which he doesn't like) because he feels he's been set up to fail without more money allocated in the budget. Probably an underlying cause of his feud with Flaherty.

I imagine he's pissed because it puts him in a slightly worse leadership position as well. Immigration gives him the ability to keep all those immigrant Tories in Vancouver/GTA in his camp.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 05, 2014, 08:37:56 pm
Increasing doubts among Tory insiders about whether Flaherty's health will let him hang on till the election. (http://www2.macleans.ca/2014/01/05/a-long-and-painful-balancing-act/) Unless there's a fairly sharp deterioration my guess is that he does, and I won't believe he retires unless it happens. His feud with Kenney started in '09, when Kenney interfered in Ontarian politics by endorsing Hudak for OPC leader alongside the other high-profile Ontarians like Baird, Clement and Poilievre. Flaherty was supposed to corral his caucus colleagues for his wife.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 06, 2014, 07:08:36 pm
There was a security breach at Harper's Vancouver speech today (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/01/06/economy-northern-gateway-pipeline-top-agenda-as-stephen-harper-goes-west/#.UstFPDaA2P9). Also, Michaud (long time no hear!) thinks the BQ should disappear. For once I agree with him.  (http://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/Politique/2014/01/06/003-yves-michaud-bloc-quebecois-disparition.shtml) Meanwhile there's the perennial Red challenge to Anders which will flop as usual. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/conservative-group-challenging-nomination-of-extreme-mp-rob-anders/article16208009/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on January 06, 2014, 08:17:21 pm
Anders needs to go. It's theoretically possible. After all, Nenshi won the area in the Fall.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 06, 2014, 08:33:42 pm
Agreed, but I'd prefer a bleu there. Won't restate my views on non-Edmontonian rouges. :P So I'd abstain from voting were I a resident in that riding.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on January 07, 2014, 11:08:20 am
Manitoba PC's have a 22 point lead. Would result in a landslide win. NDP are on their way out regardless but I imagine the Liberal resurgence is going to exacerbate the loss.

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Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hash on January 07, 2014, 11:19:56 am
Anders is objectively a disgusting and repulsive waste of oxygen (who should probably have been removed from the Tory caucus if they had any sense of decency). Basically anything would be preferable to him.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on January 07, 2014, 07:14:10 pm
I know the Ontario Tories have had sitting MPPs get primaried. I know Norm Sterling was primaried by a tea bagger in the last election.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: True Federalist on January 07, 2014, 07:50:40 pm
I know the Ontario Tories have had sitting MPPs get primaried. I know Norm Sterling was primaried by a tea bagger in the last election.


No, he may have gotten primaried by a more conservative candidate, but no true Canadian, no true Empire Loyalist would consider himself a tea bagger.  Never forget that the Boston Tea Party was done by a bunch of radical rebel scum, not by conservatives.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 07, 2014, 07:58:06 pm
Buckley Rule for me. A degree of turnover is healthy IMO.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on January 07, 2014, 08:07:38 pm
I know the Ontario Tories have had sitting MPPs get primaried. I know Norm Sterling was primaried by a tea bagger in the last election.


No, he may have gotten primaried by a more conservative candidate, but no true Canadian, no true Empire Loyalist would consider himself a tea bagger.  Never forget that the Boston Tea Party was done by a bunch of radical rebel scum, not by conservatives.

Libertarianish suburban/rural politicians are often referred to as Tea Partiers up here. People affiliated with the Ontario Landowners Union are considered as such.  Another example is a certain mayor of a large metropolis in this country.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 07, 2014, 08:10:38 pm
Maybe by orange and red avatars. ;)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: True Federalist on January 07, 2014, 08:53:52 pm
I know the Ontario Tories have had sitting MPPs get primaried. I know Norm Sterling was primaried by a tea bagger in the last election.


No, he may have gotten primaried by a more conservative candidate, but no true Canadian, no true Empire Loyalist would consider himself a tea bagger.  Never forget that the Boston Tea Party was done by a bunch of radical rebel scum, not by conservatives.

Libertarianish suburban/rural politicians are often referred to as Tea Partiers up here. People affiliated with the Ontario Landowners Union are considered as such.  Another example is a certain mayor of a large metropolis in this country.

Then you Canadians are idiots ignorant of history. ;)  (Or perhaps you're on your way to being assimilated into the United States.  BWAHAHAHA!)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on January 07, 2014, 10:58:08 pm
Maybe by orange and red avatars. ;)

Yes, and I doubt actual Tea Partiers would approve of our loyalty to the Crown.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 08, 2014, 10:53:17 am
Our new ambassador to Israel will be announced today. (http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/01/08/toronto-lawyer-vivian-bercovici-to-serve-as-canadas-next-ambassador-to-israel-in-latest-sign-of-ottawas-approach-to-middle-east/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on January 08, 2014, 04:35:52 pm
Maybe by orange and red avatars. ;)

Yes, and I doubt actual Tea Partiers would approve of our loyalty to the Crown.

You're not exactly the Canadian tea bagger type. You're very socially conservative, and economically moderate. Canadian tea baggers are the opposite. Socially moderate, economically very right wing.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 08, 2014, 09:58:14 pm
Looks like Kenney may get a Jobs Grant deal after all.  (http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/01/08/john-ivison-jason-kenneys-mission-impossible-can-he-get-provinces-on-board-with-job-training-program/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on January 08, 2014, 11:12:05 pm
Maybe by orange and red avatars. ;)

Yes, and I doubt actual Tea Partiers would approve of our loyalty to the Crown.

You're not exactly the Canadian tea bagger type. You're very socially conservative, and economically moderate. Canadian tea baggers are the opposite. Socially moderate, economically very right wing.

Oh yeah, I didn't mean to suggest I was a Tea Partier...

Yeah I take that comment back. Now that I think back, most of the libertarianish people I know in CPC oppose the monarchy.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 09, 2014, 08:49:16 am
Hebert thinks the BQ can disappear quite soon. One can only hope, though I'll believe that when it happens.  (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/01/08/bloc_qubcois_sliding_into_oblivion_hbert.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Linus Van Pelt on January 09, 2014, 09:40:14 pm
I forget whether this has been discussed here, but: what is the status of Ontario provincial redistribution? Is there legislation addressing the question whether a provincial election after the passage of the federal representation order would be held with the new federal boundaries?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on January 09, 2014, 09:45:26 pm
I forget whether this has been discussed here, but: what is the status of Ontario provincial redistribution? Is there legislation addressing the question whether a provincial election after the passage of the federal representation order would be held with the new federal boundaries?

Not that I know of; it will probably be addressed after the next election.

I am hoping for a complete overhaul, including adding new ridings (20-40 more, at least), but that is rather unlikely.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on January 09, 2014, 09:47:13 pm
Another idea is to equalize Northern Ontario's ridings, but create a sub-provincial parliament (a devolved legislature if you will) for the region, like Scotland.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Linus Van Pelt on January 09, 2014, 10:53:53 pm
I forget whether this has been discussed here, but: what is the status of Ontario provincial redistribution? Is there legislation addressing the question whether a provincial election after the passage of the federal representation order would be held with the new federal boundaries?

Not that I know of; it will probably be addressed after the next election.

Hmm. That will make for some seriously imbalanced ridings, if an election is still to be contested with the old map.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on January 10, 2014, 07:53:20 am
I forget whether this has been discussed here, but: what is the status of Ontario provincial redistribution? Is there legislation addressing the question whether a provincial election after the passage of the federal representation order would be held with the new federal boundaries?

Not that I know of; it will probably be addressed after the next election.

Hmm. That will make for some seriously imbalanced ridings, if an election is still to be contested with the old map.

Yep, but an election could happen this Spring.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 11, 2014, 10:52:54 am
G&M on Mulcair's strategy (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ndp-leader-thomas-mulcairs-next-task-win-over-the-country/article16287324/?page=all) and La Presse on Trudeau's Montreal recruitment.  (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201401/11/01-4727696-les-candidats-se-bousculent-aux-portes-du-plc.php) Unsurprisingly, La Presse doesn't note the lack of regional recruitment, which is where the Orange-Red battle will be fought. Because narrative forming.



Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on January 11, 2014, 01:26:55 pm
G&M on Mulcair's strategy (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ndp-leader-thomas-mulcairs-next-task-win-over-the-country/article16287324/?page=all) and La Presse on Trudeau's Montreal recruitment.  (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201401/11/01-4727696-les-candidats-se-bousculent-aux-portes-du-plc.php) Unsurprisingly, La Presse doesn't note the lack of regional recruitment, which is where the Orange-Red battle will be fought. Because narrative forming.



Liberal regional recruitment should be good, they managed to get a good candidate in my riding last time (through, they seemed to really bother, put up an office and hoped to win on a 4-way race).


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 11, 2014, 01:41:06 pm
I do wonder who said recruits will be. Meanwhile here's the other take on Mulcair: not getting traction outside the Hillverse.  (http://www2.macleans.ca/2014/01/10/can-you-hear-me-now-2/)



Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on January 11, 2014, 03:12:51 pm
Bloc new leader will be announced on May 25, except if there is a provincial election this spring.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 11, 2014, 03:18:52 pm
Here's the link. (http://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/Politique/2014/01/11/003-course-direction-bloc-quebecois.shtml) Also, Hebert thinks the BQ could disappear. I won't believe that unless it actually happens.



Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on January 11, 2014, 04:14:33 pm
Here's the link. (http://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/Politique/2014/01/11/003-course-direction-bloc-quebecois.shtml) Also, Hebert thinks the BQ could disappear. I won't believe that unless it actually happens.



I personally think than if they fail to improve on their 2011 result at next election, the question will be openly asked, as those heavy defeats are hurting the independance movement.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 11, 2014, 04:21:07 pm
Agreed. I guess their voters would scatter to the winds, with a majority probably going to you guys. Softer core ones to the Grits and the righties to us.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on January 14, 2014, 10:33:43 pm
NS Finance Minister is finally going to get her February holiday. She introduced it every year for several years in a row, and she's finally getting it in the spring session :D


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on January 14, 2014, 11:23:06 pm
So, are the Liberals governing to the left of the NDP?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on January 15, 2014, 06:51:47 am
So, are the Liberals governing to the left of the NDP?

Eh. The only major thing they've done is announce they won't be cutting the HST. I'm not sure whether that's left or right.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 17, 2014, 04:27:03 pm
Trudeau got ensnared on expenses.  (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/01/16/justin_trudeau_pays_back_840_over_improper_expense_claims.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on January 17, 2014, 04:38:02 pm
So I did a tax return for someone from Ontario today.

You know that big bad "tax the rich" rate for earners >$500 000? NS has higher rates starting at $30 000 >:(


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 17, 2014, 04:40:44 pm
So I did a tax return for someone from Ontario today.

You know that big bad "tax the rich" rate for earners >$500 000? NS has higher rates starting at $30 000 >:(

Tax reform probably isn't on McNeil's agenda, alas.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 20, 2014, 09:31:18 am
PLQ is finally taking a coherent position (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/dossiers/charte-de-la-laicite/201401/20/01-4730356-le-plq-dit-finalement-non-au-tchador.php) on the charter and enforcing proper caucus discipline (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-quebecoise/201401/19/01-4730331-le-plq-et-la-laicite-houda-pepin-forcee-de-se-rallier.php), but perhaps too late.  Leger has the PQ ahead 36/33/17 and nosing into majority territory at the magic 43% of Francophones (http://www.cjad.com/cjad-news/2014/01/20/new-poll-puts-wind-in-pq-sails?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter). 69% of Francophones support the charter, 74% of non-Francos oppose.

Pierre Paquette will run against Legault (http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/quebec/397670/pierre-paquette-contre-legault) in L'Assomption - in an election which the PQ president sees as inevitable, regardless of who provokes it. (http://www.lapresse.ca/le-soleil/actualites/politique/201401/17/01-4729968-elections-provinciales-inevitables-dici-lete.php) Does Marois pull the trigger if turkeys don't vote for Xmas?

LPC nomination in Ville-Marie between a Trudeau BFF and a Chretien endorsee (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/201401/17/01-4729625-investiture-au-plc-dans-ville-marie-chretien-appuie-un-candidat.php?utm_categorieinterne=trafficdrivers&utm_contenuinterne=cyberpresse_lire_aussi_4730375_article_POS2).

Analysis of the poll from Josee Legault (http://blogues.journaldemontreal.com/joseelegault/politique-quebecoise/quand-un-sondage-en-cache-quelques-autres/), plus full results. (http://www.leger360.com/admin/upload/publi_pdf/20141201.pdf) Grenier estimates a 70/47 seat split. Young voters are still anti-Charter.

Tip: Find Legault's article through Twitter to skip the paywall. Works for most JDM articles.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 20, 2014, 07:15:28 pm
PLQ  (http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/01/20/national-post-editorial-board-how-quebecs-liberals-fumbled-the-values-file/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)has been  (http://www.lapresse.ca/debats/chroniques/lysiane-gagnon/201401/17/01-4729904-y-a-t-il-un-chef-au-plq.php)completely useless and pathetic (http://www.lapresse.ca/debats/editoriaux/francois-cardinal/201401/16/01-4729532-ou-est-philippe-couillard.php) on the charter, as even their staunchest supporters admit. Now Couillard loses a previously unknown backbencher  (http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Houda+Pepin+leaves+Liberal+caucus/9408135/story.html)(Fatima Houda-Pepin) he should've booted eons ago, instead of being pushed around. Even Dion and Iggy didn't get pushed around by random backbenchers.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on January 20, 2014, 08:03:12 pm
A sad day for moderate Muslims in Quebec, they get bullied because the Liberals need the vote of the extremist ones. Truly disgusting from them (and I'm a Charte opponent, but that lady left her country to flee exactly the one thing which causd her being expelled).

EDIT: To clarify, nothing about Houda-Pépin would have ended in news without the "tchador incident", and I do not believe it was an accident. Fundamentalist Muslims are trying to get rid of her since decades, since she is a "bad example" to Muslim women and they used that to get rid of her. Liberals had no choice but to follow to not lose votes and especially money (Liberal's funraising is quite bad).

It's a victory for (Muslim) fundamentalism. Passage of the current PQ Charte would be a victory for Catholic fundamentalism, too. Everyone would have been better without that silly and disgusting debate.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 20, 2014, 08:52:35 pm
Huh? Couillard got mired in what he himself admitted was a purely hypothetical question. To the point, they should've had a position months ago and once agreed upon, in or out. I don't see where supposed Catholic fundamentalism enters into the picture. Not when Muslim and occasionally Sikh or Hasidic garb has been the focus for eons. We do wholeheartedly agree on the Charte being disgusting and silly.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on January 20, 2014, 09:00:54 pm
Huh? Couillard got mired in what he himself admitted was a purely hypothetical question. To the point, they should've had a position months ago and once agreed upon, in or out. I don't see where supposed Catholic fundamentalism enters into the picture. Not when Muslim and occasionally Sikh or Hasidic garb has been the focus for eons. We do wholeheartedly agree on the Charte being disgusting and silly.

Catholics (and Christians in general) don't wear "ostensible religious signs". The Charte is obviously targeting the other religions (it's pretty obvious when you see than they want to keep the cross in the Assembly, which is very visible and obvious). The goal is to cater to the people in rural Quebec rambling about "turban people wanting to take over and impose their religion" (those rural nuts sadly exist and are often Catholic fundamentalists).

The Mulism fundamentalists wanted to get rid of Houda-Pepin for so long than I cannot believe they are not behind it, even indirectly.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 20, 2014, 09:13:57 pm
Totally agreed, misunderstood - thought you were implying Catholic fundamentalism was the Charte target, rather than part of its target audience. At any rate, Marois now has the "can't govern yourselves, can't govern the province" to add to her talking points. Extremely ironic for her particularly and the PQ generally, needless to say.


What do you think the odds are for a March election? After getting burned last November I won't believe it unless there's a dissolution.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on January 20, 2014, 09:26:59 pm
I do not think than government will fall over the budget. Marois wants the election to be about the Charte. I suppose she is planning than CAQ and Liberals will vote against once than it reach the Assembly after the freakshow of the parlimentary committee. She wants the Charte to fail to use it to into an election.

So, March, I suppose? I do not know how the parliamentary schedule is made in Quebec and which speed government will use on Charte progress into the procedure.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 20, 2014, 09:44:09 pm
The current speculation is that she'll dissolve the Assnat in 3 weeks' time.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on January 20, 2014, 09:47:55 pm
The current speculation is that she'll dissolve the Assnat in 3 weeks' time.

It's the first time I heard about it, but, who knows? Polls are favorable, now, she may want to go now, especially with Couillard being weak and totally absent from the public debate.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on January 21, 2014, 08:03:32 am
An election during the Olympics? F**king Marois.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 21, 2014, 05:54:33 pm
Hudak fired his Essex candidate for refusing to recant his anti-RTW Tweets. PLQ should take note of how you deal with public insubordination on party policy. Meanwhile the unions are in a lovely catfight about who's leading the anti-PC fight in Ontario. (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/01/21/unions_slide_from_unity_to_emnity_over_tim_hudak_cohn.html#)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on January 21, 2014, 06:02:49 pm
Hudak fired his Essex candidate for refusing to recant his anti-RTW Tweets. PLQ should take note of how you deal with public insubordination on party policy. Meanwhile the unions are in a lovely catfight about who's leading the anti-PC fight in Ontario. (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/01/21/unions_slide_from_unity_to_emnity_over_tim_hudak_cohn.html#)

No, they shouldn't. We want party leaders, not dictators.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 21, 2014, 06:29:57 pm
More Ford videos, which Ford has confirmed are authentic. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXpwflzSF4M)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 21, 2014, 08:11:58 pm
Whoa: Dunderdale's resigning, Tom Marshall will be interim premier. Guess she didn't want to go down with what looks like a imploding guv. To think I thought Williams had set them up for dynasty...


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 21, 2014, 08:14:20 pm
Something to do with yesterday's floor crossing? Too bad Williams left...

Also, I'm not surprised that Ivison had this scoop.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on January 21, 2014, 08:26:41 pm
Whoa: Dunderdale's resigning, Tom Marshall will be interim premier. Guess she didn't want to go down with what looks like a imploding guv. To think I thought Williams had set them up for dynasty...

Wierd. Usually, they announce they'll resign once they have a replacement, not an interim premier (ad CBC is telling than Marshall already announced he would retire in 2015). Three premiers from the same party in 2014?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hash on January 21, 2014, 08:29:08 pm
Why have Dunderdale and the PCs become so toxic in not that long a period of time?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on January 21, 2014, 08:30:15 pm
Not a good time for the NL NDP, they're in shambles at the moment.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 21, 2014, 08:32:38 pm
Yeah. VOCM says a new election will have to be held this year, which is why I created an election thread in Hash's board. The PC leadership election will be held in April. It nearly happened when Williams retired but Dunderdale decided to stay on. Remember he was publicly distancing himself from her just months into the transition? Closest thing I can think of to the 3 premiers thing is the BC NDP, but that was over a longer period.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on January 21, 2014, 08:39:39 pm
Why does the election have to be this year? Isn't it scheduled for Fall 2015? What does the law say?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hash on January 21, 2014, 08:48:45 pm
Why does the election have to be this year? Isn't it scheduled for Fall 2015? What does the law say?

Quote from: BILL 40 AN ACT TO AMEND THE HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY ACT AND THE ELECTIONS ACT, 1991
Election on change of Premier
3.1 Where the leader of the political party that forms the government resigns his or her position as leader and as Premier of the province before the end of the third year following the most recent general election, the person who is elected by the party to replace him or her as the leader of the party and who is sworn in as the Premier of the province by the Lieutenant-Governor shall, not later than 12 months afterward, provide advice to the Lieutenant-Governor that the House of Assembly be dissolved and a general election be held.

http://www.assembly.nl.ca/business/bills/Bill0440.htm


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 21, 2014, 08:48:58 pm
Thanks Hash. Wonder if any other province has something like that. Seems a bit strange to me.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on January 21, 2014, 09:01:31 pm
Thanks for that, Hash. Technically, the election could be held in Jan 2015, no? Most likely it will be in the Fall.

An interesting law; I've never heard of anything similar to that, but I like the idea of it.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on January 22, 2014, 07:01:12 pm
PLQ  (http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/01/20/national-post-editorial-board-how-quebecs-liberals-fumbled-the-values-file/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)has been  (http://www.lapresse.ca/debats/chroniques/lysiane-gagnon/201401/17/01-4729904-y-a-t-il-un-chef-au-plq.php)completely useless and pathetic (http://www.lapresse.ca/debats/editoriaux/francois-cardinal/201401/16/01-4729532-ou-est-philippe-couillard.php) on the charter, as even their staunchest supporters admit. Now Couillard loses a previously unknown backbencher  (http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Houda+Pepin+leaves+Liberal+caucus/9408135/story.html)(Fatima Houda-Pepin) he should've booted eons ago, instead of being pushed around. Even Dion and Iggy didn't get pushed around by random backbenchers.

Now, Fatima Houda-Pépin is in news and is saying than Couillard offered her a Cabinet job in the next Liberal government if she endorsed the Liberal position on religion. Liberal Party is denying.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 22, 2014, 07:15:23 pm
Which would be even more ridiculous.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 22, 2014, 07:33:41 pm
Hebert also thinks the tea leaves look good for an early election. (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/01/22/stars_aligning_for_marois_to_call_snap_quebec_election_hbert.html#)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 23, 2014, 11:56:00 pm
Reminder of what happened last time a Canadian PM visited Israel. Laughingstock is an understatement. (http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/01/23/chris-selley-on-canadian-politicians-going-to-israel-our-glory-days-as-honest-broker/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on January 24, 2014, 01:46:41 pm
Country singer George Canyon will run for the CPC nomination in Bow River (http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/politics/Country+singer+George+Canyon+bids+Conservative+nomination/9426263/story.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 24, 2014, 06:09:46 pm
Jean Crowder is retiring next year, as are Cotler and St. Denis. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/liberals-rally-team-aiming-to-win-back-party-strongholds-in-montreal/article16487373/) I've always thought (and heard rumblings) that Cotler wouldn't run again. St. Denis obviously wasn't running given the switch and health. I assume the Grits would like to line up a name candidate in one of their crown jewels, no idea who that might be.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on January 24, 2014, 07:15:19 pm
Jean Crowder is retiring next year, as are Cotler and St. Denis. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/liberals-rally-team-aiming-to-win-back-party-strongholds-in-montreal/article16487373/) I've always thought (and heard rumblings) that Cotler wouldn't run again. St. Denis obviously wasn't running given the switch and health. I assume the Grits would like to line up a name candidate in one of their crown jewels, no idea who that might be.

They ought to get someone good now that they are legitimate contenders in power again. Safe seat for life is an attractive prospect.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Peter the Lefty on January 25, 2014, 01:36:48 pm
Don't know if this was covered, but Manitoba Torries continue to trump the NDP (http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/#!/content/1.2477284). 


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 26, 2014, 09:08:47 pm
Woot, they're back tomorrow. Budget, contract negotiations and Ukraine. I guess the EC bill at some point this sitting too. Wonder how many Serious People beaks get tweaked or worse till June. More the merrier, right? :P


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 27, 2014, 02:57:33 pm
Budget 2 weeks from tomorrow.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 27, 2014, 06:58:17 pm
CROP from last week: PLC up 40/28/17. (http://www.lapresse.ca/le-soleil/actualites/politique/201401/21/01-4731102-sondage-crop-la-remontee-du-pq-se-confirme.php?utm_categorieinterne=trafficdrivers&utm_contenuinterne=cyberpresse_vous_suggere_4731104_article_POS1) No regional breakdown so no idea what that translates to... my guess is Grits need a bit more for a Quebec seat majority. Yet Mulcair's still by far the most popular federal politician at 60% approval. While even sovereigntists are divided on BQ viability, there's still a core remaining.

Liberal incumbents will be renominated in a few weeks, purposefully frontloaded as part of a 3-stage nomination cycle.  (http://www.hilltimes.com/news/politics/2014/01/27/liberals-to-hold-nominations-for-incumbent-mps-in-march-but-trudeau-still-has/37255)Again, open in name only.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on January 27, 2014, 07:48:52 pm
Speaking of Mulcair is that Quebec NDP thing still in the works?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on January 27, 2014, 08:12:52 pm
We're doing a poll as well, results should be out tomorrow, I'd say.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 28, 2014, 10:02:27 am
VIA's QC-Maritime service could be cancelled soon. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/via-rail-s-maritime-quebec-passenger-service-in-doubt-1.2513711?cmp=rss&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: True Federalist on January 28, 2014, 11:16:01 am
Considering that the freight service is being abandoned on that stretch of track, it doesn't really make much sense to keep low speed passenger rail on it.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 28, 2014, 11:35:20 am
True. If any service cuts make headlines next year it'll be Canada Post.

No shortage of potential social issues this year but as usual no one will touch them unless the courts mandate it. (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/01/27/parliament_has_a_long_todo_list_as_mps_return_hbert.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 28, 2014, 12:21:08 pm
Charbonneau interim report gets released today. Won't discuss any charter stuff except to briefly mention that Bouchard warned about public opinion once someone gets fired and that the PLQ might as well endorse the whole thing.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 29, 2014, 09:20:21 am
This is beyond absurd: Trudeau said all Liberal senators will sit as Indies and if elected, he'll make "non-partisan" appointments.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on January 29, 2014, 09:55:20 am
Not only absurd, but a stone faced lie.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 29, 2014, 10:08:38 am
Poilievre correctly calls it a smokescreen, says senators will still be "unelected" and even more unaccountable. How will they organize themselves? I hope Poilievre makes great hay with this, as usual, in QP this afternoon.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hash on January 29, 2014, 10:36:38 am
Sadly the idiots in this country will probably eat it up as some great visionary policy/above-the-parties move/'working across the aisles' or whatever idiotic term(s) they hatch for this bullsh**t.

Biebertrudeau continues to be crap.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 29, 2014, 10:43:41 am
MSM seems to like it. Rules would have to be changed. The senators were naturally extremely pissed, or "a very difficult discussion" as JT put it. Hurts staffers too. Did I mention the Liberals opposed an NDP motion that proposed exactly what he did today, in October? Pathetic.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on January 29, 2014, 11:17:34 am
Not only absurd, but a stone faced lie.

Oops, I hadn't heard the news- didn't realize he was doing this now.

It is kind of absurd, it's hard to keep the institution apolitical, especially if there are still Conservatives there. The Senate's not the Supreme Court, after all. In Canada though, it's possible to make the Senate somewhat apolitical, because the Supreme Court is appointed in a similar matter, and it is fairly apolitical. Canada is not the U.S. But what's to stop either institution from becoming political in the future, though?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 29, 2014, 11:23:27 am
Nothing. Senate has enough of a discipline problem already, as I've discussed. These Liberals are still Liberals in all but the most formal sense. Imagine a hypothetical minority PM Trudeau next year, with a Tory supermajority in the Senate and hostile ex-Liberals. Here's an idea for Senate "reform": Parliament Act equivalent. Override mechanism is long overdue.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on January 29, 2014, 11:28:21 am
Also, I'm disappointed in Trudeau's lack of vision - he says he doesn't want to re-open the constitution? What's wrong with that? The system's broken, let's fix it. At least Harper wants to fix it.

Easy solution: Let's have a referendum. Give Canadians 3 choices: Abolish, reform or maintain. Use AV to ensure one of the options gets a majority. Winning option gets a mandate for constitutional reform (or lackthereof).


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hash on January 29, 2014, 11:38:51 am
The idea of a 'non-partisan' or 'independent' upper house is almost always retarded to begin with.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: You kip if you want to... on January 29, 2014, 12:03:35 pm
The idea of a 'non-partisan' or 'independent' upper house is almost always retarded to begin with.

The cross bench doesn't make the UK upper house any more democratic.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on January 29, 2014, 02:52:21 pm
Not only absurd, but a stone faced lie.

Oops, I hadn't heard the news- didn't realize he was doing this now.

It is kind of absurd, it's hard to keep the institution apolitical, especially if there are still Conservatives there. The Senate's not the Supreme Court, after all. In Canada though, it's possible to make the Senate somewhat apolitical, because the Supreme Court is appointed in a similar matter, and it is fairly apolitical. Canada is not the U.S. But what's to stop either institution from becoming political in the future, though?

The fact they are nominated for life makes them more apolitical, senators can oppose the will of their party without having to fear to lose next election.

On a unrelated subject, the longest-serving Quebec MNA and vice-Premier, was rushed to the hospital and hospitalized for chest pains, this morning.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hash on January 29, 2014, 05:57:31 pm
For oakvale et al:

http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?mthd=index&crtr.page=1&nid=812559

The Dear Leader is moving forward on implementing the most ridiculous of all ridiculous right-wing inanities: the "one-for-one rule".


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on January 29, 2014, 06:11:27 pm
Most likely it will be repealed in 2015, too.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Smid on January 29, 2014, 07:57:33 pm
This is beyond absurd: Trudeau said all Liberal senators will sit as Indies and if elected, he'll make "non-partisan" appointments.

This is serious! Less than half of his caucus was elected in 2011, the majority being unelected Senators, so he's shut out over half of his party's representation on the Hill!


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hash on January 29, 2014, 08:51:44 pm
Please recognize my greatness (or the disgusting copyright violation from Macleans).

http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/12/20/justin-bieber-vs-justin-trudeau/


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 29, 2014, 09:13:00 pm
Speaking of Bieber, he's been arraigned on assault charges in Toronto.

New EKOS out: 33.2/29.7/24.3


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on January 30, 2014, 09:46:35 am
Speaking of Bieber, he's been arraigned on assault charges in Toronto.

New EKOS out: 33.2/29.7/24.3

Told you we'd have a poll out :)

This is one I worked on. (Not the analysis though, so Hash- don't complain about spelling mistakes!)

Poll details: http://www.ekospolitics.com/index.php/2014/01/closer-race-as-parliament-begins-january-30-2014/


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Oakvale on January 30, 2014, 10:34:40 am
For oakvale et al:

http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?mthd=index&crtr.page=1&nid=812559

The Dear Leader is moving forward on implementing the most ridiculous of all ridiculous right-wing inanities: the "one-for-one rule".

Obviously the best kind of nonsense ever peddled by a democratic government.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Snowstalker's Last Stand on January 30, 2014, 10:56:43 am
For oakvale et al:

http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?mthd=index&crtr.page=1&nid=812559

The Dear Leader is moving forward on implementing the most ridiculous of all ridiculous right-wing inanities: the "one-for-one rule".

Obviously the best kind of nonsense ever peddled by a democratic government.

My favorite part of the throne speech other than "CANADA IS A NORTHERN COUNTRY".


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 31, 2014, 09:35:49 am
Now they're fighting in public and are royally pissed at Trudeau.  (http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/01/31/justin-trudeau-has-no-authority-or-authorization-senators-reveal-crack-in-united-liberal-front-after-caucus-ouster/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter) ;D


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on January 31, 2014, 11:58:34 am
Official transposition of the 2011 results on the new ridings now available by Elections Canada: http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=res&dir=cir/trans2013&document=index&lang=e


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 31, 2014, 07:10:56 pm
Conrad Black has been stripped of his Order of Canada and PC by the government.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on January 31, 2014, 07:40:46 pm
Conrad Black has been stripped of his Order of Canada and PC by the government.

:D :D :D :D


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 01, 2014, 09:41:37 am
Poilievre confirmed on The House that he'll table the Fair Elections Act next week. That's probably our only non-budgetary bill of consequence this sitting. :P


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: NewYorkExpress on February 01, 2014, 08:47:28 pm
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/toronto-mayor-ticketed-for-jaywalking/story-fn3dxix6-1226815982956 (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/toronto-mayor-ticketed-for-jaywalking/story-fn3dxix6-1226815982956)

Rob Ford got ticketed for Jaywalking in Vancouver... I'm almost curious if the Toronto PD has some sort of tail on him now...


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on February 01, 2014, 09:29:31 pm
Poilievre confirmed on The House that he'll table the Fair Elections Act next week. That's probably our only non-budgetary bill of consequence this sitting. :P

News are talking of the new prostitution bill (must be passed before December). Logically, it's for this sitting or the fall one?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 02, 2014, 11:58:11 am
Yves Ryan has died at 85.  (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/201402/02/01-4734845-lex-maire-de-montreal-nord-yves-ryan-est-mort.php)

PQ expects a spring election, not a winter one. Depends what happens with the budget. (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-quebecoise/201402/01/01-4734621-des-elections-bientot-mais-pas-tout-de-suite.php) As I've said since the last election, fully expect Marois to win a second term. Question is majority or minority. I'm also tempted to believe that Couillard will lose his "leadership" (one Peq even compared him to Iggy in Le Devoir!) either through a PQ majority or like John Tory, losing his chosen seat.

Romanow doesn't like Sherbrooke.  (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/02/02/romanow-disagrees-with-ndp-says-50-plus-one-not-sufficient-to-break-up-country/#.Uu50EtCEiUk)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on February 02, 2014, 05:31:24 pm
PQ expects a spring election, not a winter one. Depends what happens with the budget. (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-quebecoise/201402/01/01-4734621-des-elections-bientot-mais-pas-tout-de-suite.php) As I've said since the last election, fully expect Marois to win a second term. Question is majority or minority. I'm also tempted to believe that Couillard will lose his "leadership" (one Peq even compared him to Iggy in Le Devoir!) either through a PQ majority or like John Tory, losing his chosen seat.
 

They can't find him a safe seat in Montreal?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 02, 2014, 05:54:31 pm
He has Outremont, among the safest of safe seats, right now but wants an uphill battle in Roberval because he lives there. Strange considering he has no real geographic attachment like Charest with his hometown of Sherbrooke. Couillard has represented Montreal Island and Quebec City in the past.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on February 02, 2014, 06:00:19 pm
PQ expects a spring election, not a winter one. Depends what happens with the budget. (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-quebecoise/201402/01/01-4734621-des-elections-bientot-mais-pas-tout-de-suite.php) As I've said since the last election, fully expect Marois to win a second term. Question is majority or minority. I'm also tempted to believe that Couillard will lose his "leadership" (one Peq even compared him to Iggy in Le Devoir!) either through a PQ majority or like John Tory, losing his chosen seat.
 

They can't find him a safe seat in Montreal?

Worse, he currently have one (he got elected in a by-election in Outremont), but he is insisting on running in the seat of Roberval, where he has his chalet. It would only his 4th riding in 6 years being an MNA. Mont-Royal (Montreal safe seat) 2003-2007. In 2007, he decided in run in Jean-Talon (Quebec City), but resigned within a year. And, new, he came back in Outremont and wants to run in Roberval (rural Lac-St-Jean).


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on February 02, 2014, 06:05:11 pm
PQ expects a spring election, not a winter one. Depends what happens with the budget. (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-quebecoise/201402/01/01-4734621-des-elections-bientot-mais-pas-tout-de-suite.php) As I've said since the last election, fully expect Marois to win a second term. Question is majority or minority. I'm also tempted to believe that Couillard will lose his "leadership" (one Peq even compared him to Iggy in Le Devoir!) either through a PQ majority or like John Tory, losing his chosen seat.
 

They can't find him a safe seat in Montreal?

Worse, he currently have one (he got elected in a by-election in Outremont), but he is insisting on running in the seat of Roberval, where he has his chalet. It would only his 4th riding in 6 years being an MNA. Mont-Royal (Montreal safe seat) 2003-2007. In 2007, he decided in run in Jean-Talon (Quebec City), but resigned within a year. And, new, he came back in Outremont and wants to run in Roberval (rural Lac-St-Jean).

That's just bizarre. Why'd he jump from Montreal to QC? If I had a safe seat like Mont-Royal, I'd camp out there till I was 90 :P


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on February 03, 2014, 12:15:16 am
http://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/tangle-of-rules-and-procedures-strangles-federal-government-tweets-1.1667110 (http://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/tangle-of-rules-and-procedures-strangles-federal-government-tweets-1.1667110)

Conservative "small government" ideology at work, surely.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 03, 2014, 12:39:31 pm
Finally a real Ontario poll, from Nanos (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/01/31/ontario-poll-tim-hudak_n_4702925.html?utm_hp_ref=tw): Liberals lead 36/28/27. The Tories are at their lowest point since they were last in government. Though Greens are polling at 8, which probably wouldn't hold up in an election. Still, this is all MOE movement since last Nanos in November was 36/31/26.



Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on February 03, 2014, 01:40:21 pm
Finally a real Ontario poll, from Nanos (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/01/31/ontario-poll-tim-hudak_n_4702925.html?utm_hp_ref=tw): Liberals lead 36/28/27. The Tories are at their lowest point since they were last in government. Though Greens are polling at 8, which probably wouldn't hold up in an election. Still, this is all MOE movement since last Nanos in November was 36/31/26.



Wierd. I expected PC to win the next election, but this is looking terrible for them. I suppose than Hudak will never be Ontario Premier, then. Ontarians don't seem to like him.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 03, 2014, 01:54:42 pm
I'll pay attention if the writs are dropped. We have next week's by-elections as another barometer, though I'm pessimistic as always. Rae, Harris and McGuinty all lost before winning, ditto Harper federally. All except McGuinty won their victories on the trail. My own advice for the Tories would be to talk nonstop economy/jobs and forcefully defend their white papers when challenged. By jobs I don't mean mindless populist nonsense like that "Million Jobs Bill."


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 03, 2014, 06:07:21 pm
NPDQ is open for business. (http://www.electionsquebec.qc.ca/francais/provincial/repaq/partis-politiques-details.php?p=00092) I'm not a fan of our fragmented party system to begin with, but curious to see how Ducasse makes out.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on February 03, 2014, 06:41:14 pm
NPDQ is open for business. (http://www.electionsquebec.qc.ca/francais/provincial/repaq/partis-politiques-details.php?p=00092) I'm not a fan of our fragmented party system to begin with, but curious to see how Ducasse makes out.

I can has polls?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 03, 2014, 06:50:41 pm
I'm sure all 3 parties are taking internals to see how that works out. Also sure that the unions stick with the PQ. The party system hasn't been this fragmented since the Unionists faced a bunch of separatist then-microchallengers in the mid-'60s. Marois won't be a termite victim, but the PQ can't asphyxiate them either.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: You kip if you want to... on February 04, 2014, 07:55:59 am
Finally a real Ontario poll, from Nanos (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/01/31/ontario-poll-tim-hudak_n_4702925.html?utm_hp_ref=tw): Liberals lead 36/28/27. The Tories are at their lowest point since they were last in government. Though Greens are polling at 8, which probably wouldn't hold up in an election. Still, this is all MOE movement since last Nanos in November was 36/31/26.



Wierd. I expected PC to win the next election, but this is looking terrible for them. I suppose than Hudak will never be Ontario Premier, then. Ontarians don't seem to like him.

A bit've an Iggy situation? A Premier who no one really likes that much except the diehards, an opposition leader who people hate even more and a pretty popular NDP leader


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on February 04, 2014, 08:03:44 am
I knew Ducasse would lead it.

They're not running in this upcoming election are they?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 04, 2014, 02:04:46 pm
Elections bill out. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/election-reforms-would-bring-big-changes-to-campaign-spending-1.2522795) Brazeau and Harb have been charged with fraud and breach of trust. QP should be fun. (http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/national/Mounties+charge+Harb+Brazeau+Senate+expenses/9467085/story.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 05, 2014, 11:09:59 am
Cotler is retiring next year as expected


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 05, 2014, 11:43:17 am
Anthony Housefather will run and be the next Grit MP from Mont-Royal (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/02/05/irwin-cotler-retire-resign-step-down-liberal_n_4729653.html?utm_hp_ref=canada&ir=Canada&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter). Will miss Cotler, and had the privilege of meeting him a few years ago.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: True Federalist on February 05, 2014, 01:08:02 pm
Anthony Housefather will run and be the next Grit MP from Mont-Royal (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/02/05/irwin-cotler-retire-resign-step-down-liberal_n_4729653.html?utm_hp_ref=canada&ir=Canada&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter). Will miss Cotler, and had the privilege of meeting him a few years ago.

Housefather may be the next Grit to stand in the riding, but isn't it a bit premature to say he'll be the next MP?  That riding has election after election gone less and less Grit under Cotler.  He got 92% of the vote in 1999, 81% in 2000, 76% in 2004, 66% in 2006, 56% in 2008, and 41% in 2011.  That can't all be due to any personal unpopularity Cotler may have earned, or even the general decline in Liberal fortunes.  Not when the decline is of that magnitude and consistent from election to election.  Clearly Mont Royal has been trending Royal Blue.  Possibly not soon enough to keep Housefeather from being the next MP, but Housefeather will definitely have to be more than a mailbox.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 05, 2014, 01:17:20 pm
He's one of the best they could've gotten. Certainly the best politician unless they wanted to go for a prominent person from outside politics, like Cotler and his 2 predecessors were. It certainly isn't Cotler himself. More the trends of Jews, Asians and Liberal fortunes generally. I doubt there will be a nomination contest, not that Housefather would need a fist on the scale like Freeland in Toronto Centre.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on February 05, 2014, 02:41:26 pm
I can confirm than Irwin Cotler was very popular and respected by the local NDPers, too. His and his deep expertise on international law and human rights will be missed, as his well-known debating skills.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 05, 2014, 03:34:43 pm
Poilievre will run in Rideau-Carleton, Baird in Nepean.  (http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/02/05/tory-mpp-poilievre-to-run-in-new-rideau-carleton-riding)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on February 05, 2014, 04:14:45 pm
Quebec will raise the minimum wage from 10.15$ to 10.35$, on May 1st. Nothing really special, it happens on May 1st every year or other year.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: True Federalist on February 05, 2014, 04:39:20 pm
Quebec will raise the minimum wage from 10.15$ to 10.35$, on May 1st. Nothing really special, it happens on May 1st every year or other year.

Which is $9.14/hr to $9.32 is "real" dollars. ;)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 05, 2014, 05:57:21 pm
CN strike will be pre-emptively shut down. 58-hour filibuster? (http://www.ctvnews.ca/business/cn-gets-strike-notice-feds-preparing-legislation-to-stop-walkout-1.1671512#ixzz2sUTg3sjh)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on February 05, 2014, 08:40:13 pm
Poilievre will run in Rideau-Carleton, Baird in Nepean.  (http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/02/05/tory-mpp-poilievre-to-run-in-new-rideau-carleton-riding)

Strange, considering Baird's current district doesn't change at all. Nepean will be much more safe for him, though. Who will run in Ottawa West-Nepean? I suppose the Liberals could pick it up.

In other news, the 2 former NDP MHAs in Newfoundland that became independents due to concerns with leader Loraine Michael are now Liberals :(


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Smid on February 05, 2014, 08:45:20 pm
In other news, the 2 former NDP MHAs in Newfoundland that became independents due to concerns with leader Loraine Michael are now Liberals :(

I can't stand disloyal opportunists like these. If they'd stayed as independents, they may well have been turfed out by their constituents at the next election. As Liberals, especially given polling, they are more likely to hold their seats.

Completely unprincipled, disloyal opportunists.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Frodo on February 05, 2014, 10:31:58 pm
So just how screwed are the federal Conservatives under PM Stephen Harper?  Is their majority a lost cause in 2015?   


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 05, 2014, 10:42:10 pm
So just how screwed are the federal Conservatives under PM Stephen Harper?  Is their majority a lost cause in 2015?   

Polls aside, we're doing fairly well for a government about to seek a fourth term. Sure the climate's not ideal but the economy's decent and psephology favours Harper. This will be his 5th campaign as party leader, first for the others. Anything could happen but I'd bet any money on Harper being PM 2 years from today.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: You kip if you want to... on February 06, 2014, 11:47:28 am
Yeah, they're not exactly the flavour of the month, but this doesn't yet strike me as the 'dead-government-walking' that it probably should be at this point.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Poirot on February 06, 2014, 12:23:02 pm
Anthony Housefather will run and be the next Grit MP from Mont-Royal (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/02/05/irwin-cotler-retire-resign-step-down-liberal_n_4729653.html?utm_hp_ref=canada&ir=Canada&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter). Will miss Cotler, and had the privilege of meeting him a few years ago.

Clearly Mont Royal has been trending Royal Blue.  Possibly not soon enough to keep Housefeather from being the next MP, but Housefeather will definitely have to be more than a mailbox.

Even if the Conservatives focus on the jewish vote again, the Liberals won't do as badly this time.

A blog post on 308 website about Mont-Royal.
http://www.threehundredeight.com/2014/02/with-cotlers-departure-is-mount-royal.html (http://www.threehundredeight.com/2014/02/with-cotlers-departure-is-mount-royal.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 06, 2014, 09:41:23 pm
More skirmishes between Clement and PSAC.  (http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/02/06/john-ivison-tony-clement-won-sick-days-skirmish-but-decisive-battle-with-unions-still-to-come/)PQ will soon produce a White Paper and start consultations on sovereignty. They would only pull the referendum trigger with ever-elusive winning conditions, obviously. (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-quebecoise/201402/06/01-4736180-referendum-le-pq-ne-veut-pas-telegraphier-sa-strategie-a-ottawa.php?utm_categorieinterne=trafficdrivers&utm_contenuinterne=cyberpresse_B13b_politique-quebecoise_559_section_POS3) That's while they're throwing money around like Santa Claus in targeted regions, especially the Mauricie. Looks like a pre-campaign move but believe when seen, obviously.

Citizenship reform. (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201402/06/01-4736289-ottawa-veut-reformer-le-systeme-de-citoyennete-canadienne.php)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 07, 2014, 11:06:46 am
Somehow forgot to post this Tuesday: PQ's newest election scenario is an April 14 election with dissolution around March 12. Budget comes down early too in said scenario. (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-quebecoise/201402/04/01-4735668-marois-tentee-par-un-scrutin-le-14-avril.php)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hash on February 07, 2014, 12:56:10 pm
Our mayor kicks ass:

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Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: True Federalist on February 07, 2014, 03:22:56 pm
Well, it is a stupid waste of time, but hardly worth changing one's vote over.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Flake on February 07, 2014, 03:41:30 pm
Our mayor kicks ass:

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This is great


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on February 07, 2014, 11:34:48 pm
Watson is great on Twitter; he's always replied to me when I've made some funny comments.

He has a big gay following in the city, because the gay community knows something about him that most voters are probably unaware of (if you catch my drift).  My girlfriend likes to read the local queer newspaper, and there was a recent Q&A with the mayor about what kind of example closeted politicians set for gays. Kind of an awkward question.

But before anyone jumps on the Watson bandwagon, remember, he's still a vapid centrist, and a typical Liberal panderer. Council is stocked with his fanboys/girls.  I'm hoping there will be someone challenging him from the left in the upcoming election.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 08, 2014, 05:44:51 pm
Grits will finally get around to some policy substance at their convention in 2 weeks. (http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-s-economic-agenda-fleshed-out-in-caucus-proposals-for-liberal-convention-1.1676575)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Poirot on February 08, 2014, 07:12:59 pm
So just how screwed are the federal Conservatives under PM Stephen Harper?  Is their majority a lost cause in 2015?   

I think it will be difficult for them to win a majority. They won about 54% of seats while the Liberals bombed. It's difficult to see where they could gain so it will be trying to limit losses. It looks very difficult to repeat the 2011 Ontario federal result of getting 44% of vote share while the other two parties get 25% each.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 09, 2014, 12:07:09 pm
Interesting Ipsos poll: voters like Trudeau's Senate stunt but see it as just that, a stunt.  (http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-s-attempt-at-senate-reform-popular-but-fails-to-boost-votes-poll-1.1677821) Topline is 33/29/27, Grits 38/28 among LV. Trudeau is PPM 42/34/24.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 10, 2014, 09:17:17 am
ONDP still playing  (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ontario-ndp-winning-over-voters-with-less-policy-not-more/article16769719/)small ball, and CPC planning to make mischief at the LPC convention. (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/02/10/leaked_memo_from_conservatives_targets_justin_trudeau.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on February 11, 2014, 06:11:41 pm
ONDP still playing  (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ontario-ndp-winning-over-voters-with-less-policy-not-more/article16769719/)small ball, and CPC planning to make mischief at the LPC convention. (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/02/10/leaked_memo_from_conservatives_targets_justin_trudeau.html)

Nothing about the conservative election bill, Rogue? Or you are too ashamed to mention it?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 11, 2014, 06:14:17 pm
I've been trying to keep posts down to a minimum here, but I'm certainly not ashamed of the bill.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 11, 2014, 06:16:10 pm
Budget roundup. (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/02/11/tories-kiss-deficits-goodbye-build-up-fiscal-arsenal-ahead-of-2015-election/#.Uvqu1TaYbuh)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Smid on February 11, 2014, 06:24:05 pm
I've been trying to keep posts down to a minimum here

HI (Horrible Idea). Your commentary is how I keep informed of most Canadian news.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 11, 2014, 06:34:04 pm
My budget reaction is the same as last year: meh.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on February 11, 2014, 06:40:44 pm
My budget reaction is the same as last year: meh.

Well, there is nothing new at all in that budget, expect a tobacco tax. Nothing new, which has pros and cons.

And I very much suspect we don't want the same things at all.

And I really don't how someone sane (which is what you are) can endorse a law forbidding Elections Canada to do sensibilisation in schools and banning them from doing turnout campaigns. It's a deliberate choice to lower turnout.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 11, 2014, 06:51:09 pm
Poilievre said he'd look at excising that part, which was my objection to the bill.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on February 11, 2014, 06:53:32 pm
And I really don't how someone sane (which is what you are) can endorse a law forbidding Elections Canada to do sensibilisation in schools and banning them from doing turnout campaigns. It's a deliberate choice to lower turnout.

Trying to reduce already increasingly low turnout sounds almost American.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 11, 2014, 07:24:48 pm
Trudeau would keep corporate tax at its current 15%. (http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/canada/399622/justin-trudeau-laisserait-l-impot-des-entreprises-a-15) Cue umpteen columns from a certain Postmedia man about how this proves JT's a fiscal conservative, or something.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hash on February 11, 2014, 07:37:50 pm
I guess I'll just waste my vote and vote for whichever clown the NDP puts up here then. The Belieberals continue to be total crap.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on February 11, 2014, 07:46:07 pm
Poilievre said he'd look at excising that part, which was my objection to the bill.

I'll believe him if he does it.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on February 11, 2014, 08:21:46 pm
I guess I'll just waste my vote and vote for whichever clown the NDP puts up here then. The Belieberals continue to be total crap.

But you musn't waste your vote! That will let the Tories win ;)

And I really don't how someone sane (which is what you are) can endorse a law forbidding Elections Canada to do sensibilisation in schools and banning them from doing turnout campaigns. It's a deliberate choice to lower turnout.

Trying to reduce already increasingly low turnout sounds almost American.

It does reek of what the Republicans are trying to do in the US. Luckily it wont be as bad, but still.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 12, 2014, 12:27:51 am
I have to LOL @ Trudeau's new slogan about "real solutions to create growth for the middle class." More vacuous pap, as usual.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on February 12, 2014, 08:15:01 am
Pandering to the middle class does nothing to prevent further alienating voters like me. (Not that I can be any more alienated from the Liberals)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 12, 2014, 09:47:17 am
QC budget will be next week, and they're still leaving the door slightly open for a March dissolution. In which case it'd be a mini-budget. (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-quebecoise/201402/11/01-4737950-budget-light-des-la-semaine-prochaine.php)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on February 12, 2014, 05:27:15 pm
Someone made a positive comment about Harper at work today... yeah it's not really news, but I'm a student and I live in Atlantic Canada, so it's news for me. :P


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 12, 2014, 06:33:19 pm
Flaherty's publicly doubting income splitting. I don't believe Flaherty quits unless it actually happens, but he's been acting a bit strangely recently. (http://affaires.lapresse.ca/dossiers/budget-federal-2014/201402/12/01-4738273-fractionnement-des-revenus-flaherty-seme-la-bisbille.php)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 12, 2014, 07:57:42 pm
Trudeau: budgets balance themselves. (http://www.torontosun.com/2014/02/12/harper-calls-trudeaus-stance-on-eliminating-deficits-magical) In the same universe where Santa, the Easter Bunny and unicorns exist, undoubtedly.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on February 12, 2014, 10:30:14 pm
Flaherty's publicly doubting income splitting. I don't believe Flaherty quits unless it actually happens, but he's been acting a bit strangely recently. (http://affaires.lapresse.ca/dossiers/budget-federal-2014/201402/12/01-4738273-fractionnement-des-revenus-flaherty-seme-la-bisbille.php)

Boo, hiss!!

Trudeau: budgets balance themselves. (http://www.torontosun.com/2014/02/12/harper-calls-trudeaus-stance-on-eliminating-deficits-magical) In the same universe where Santa, the Easter Bunny and unicorns exist, undoubtedly.

This is good for the Tory narrative. Trudeau's airheadedness is astounding.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 12, 2014, 10:51:34 pm
Either that or he's to Mulcair's left on budgeting, and we know which one it is. :P


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 13, 2014, 10:31:45 pm
Check out Andre Marin's Twitter feed now. He's going completely apesh**t on Rob Silver - and Marin personally Tweets most of the time.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 14, 2014, 08:54:41 am
There will be a spring Quebec election, with a minimalist budget next Thursday. (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-quebecoise/201402/13/01-4738756-un-budget-le-20-fevrier-des-elections-ensuite.php) All that's left to decide is D-Day and E-Day. When that's known I'll put up the thread.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 15, 2014, 08:46:34 am
Horwath is ramping up pressure on the Grits, but still mum on an election. Grits don't feel they'll survive. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/horwath-cranks-up-pressure-on-wynne-but-mum-on-forcing-election/article16910092/)

Oh FFS, socons will vote for Kenney at the appropriate time regardless of his marital status. (http://www.canada.com/news/national/know+Jason+Kenney+future+leader+future+kingmaker/9509996/story.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 15, 2014, 01:09:48 pm
So Trudeau's big economic plan is a spending orgy in areas of provincial jurisdiction.  (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/montreal-convention-will-test-trudeaus-improvement/article16913533/) Which is exactly what Paul Martin did.

Yeah, Poilievre's one of our MVPs. (http://adf.ly/dciil)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on February 15, 2014, 01:56:55 pm

Yeah, Poilievre's one of our MVPs. (http://adf.ly/dciil)

Most valuable prick? The man is a tool, and the last press conference I saw him in (the rebuttal to Trudeau's Senate shakeup) he was just terrible at attacking Trudeau and defending the Tory position. This is when I actually agreed with the Conservatives on something.



Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hash on February 15, 2014, 04:35:50 pm
Yeah, Poilievre has always come off as an insufferable useless hack/prick to me and I don't get why everybody loves him now. Probably because the idiot media love "young politicians" who are gonna "shake things up"


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on February 15, 2014, 05:14:45 pm
If the Conservative MVP is a tape recorder, it's not going well for them.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 15, 2014, 05:35:34 pm
Mexican visa restrictions will remain in place.  (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stephen-harper-won-t-drop-visa-rule-for-mexicans-source-says-1.2538820)

How Heenan Blaikie imploded. (http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/02/14/how-heenan-blaikies-stunning-collapse-started-with-a-rogue-african-arms-deal/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 16, 2014, 07:27:21 pm
Ontario poll from Ipsos: (http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-tories-take-slight-lead-over-liberals-ndp-poll-1.1689261) 34/31/31 among all voters, 37/33/27 among LV. 60/40 wrong track, 32/31/28 preferred premier. Being Ipsos, they also include regional numbers. Seat guesstimate, anyone?





Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on February 16, 2014, 07:39:51 pm
Ontario poll from Ipsos: (http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-tories-take-slight-lead-over-liberals-ndp-poll-1.1689261) 34/31/31 among all voters, 37/33/27 among LV. 60/40 wrong track, 32/31/28 preferred premier. Being Ipsos, they also include regional numbers. Seat guesstimate, anyone?





I wonder if Central Ontario = 705 and Northern Ontario = 807. If so, then their regional descriptors are very misleading.

Good to see the NDP ahead in SW Ontario. Outside of Windsor and maybe London, it's not exactly the most traditional NDP part of the province. The traditional NDP areas are downtown Toronto and Northern Ontario, but I suspect the NDP is struggling in DT Toronto from those numbers. If the Liberals slip to third province-wide, I expect Toronto voters to start swinging en masse to the NDP.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 16, 2014, 07:43:25 pm
NDP is 3rd (43L/29C/26N) in 416 and 905 (48C/28L/20N).


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on February 16, 2014, 07:45:40 pm
Here are some 519 (SW Ontario) ridings that I think the NDP would pick up with those numbers:

Windsor West (duh)
London North Centre
Brant
Guelph
Kitchener Centre
Cambridge
Sarnia-Lambton

Distant possibilities (rural seats):
Perth-Middlesex (strong campaign in Stratford could swing it)
Huron-Bruce (previous target in 2011)
Bruce-Grey-Owen Sound (strong Green presence in the past, could switch to the NDP)

NDP is 3rd (43L/29C/26N) in 416 and 905 (48C/28L/20N).

Yes, I noticed that. But, if the Libs drop to 3rd province-wide, I expect a 3 way race in the 416. The 905 will always be a write off for the NDP, except for Hamilton, parts of Niagara, Bramalea-Gore-Malton and maybe Oshawa.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 16, 2014, 07:58:55 pm
They don't specify if the regional # are under the regular or LV screen. Suspect the former. Either way, good news for both our parties. Question is whether Horwath pulls the trigger.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on February 16, 2014, 08:08:51 pm
I'm hoping the Liberals will realize the huge threat of their downfall, and give the NDP huge concessions to stay in power.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 16, 2014, 08:18:44 pm
Transit tax, full Liberal term, possibility of triggering an election which results in a Tory win (even with an NDP OO) all factor in. I'll believe an election when I see someone roll that die.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on February 16, 2014, 10:29:33 pm
How come Windsor West isn't NDP-held?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on February 16, 2014, 11:54:57 pm
How come Windsor West isn't NDP-held?

Terrible candidate last election.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 18, 2014, 09:29:30 am
Horwath just called Wynne's bluff.  (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/02/18/horwath_dares_wynne_to_force_election_over_taxes_and_tolls.html)

Now this is downright hilarious: PLQ might bring back Charest if Marois gets a majority. (http://www.canada.com/news/Macpherson+Jean+Charest+still+sounds+like+leader/9516881/story.html)

Speaking of which: Assnat will be dissolved March 11 for an April 14 election. (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-quebecoise/201402/17/01-4739865-elections-les-voyants-sont-au-vert-pour-marois.php) Marois is now in majority territory per CROP: 40/34/16. Marois leads 30/22 on best premier.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 18, 2014, 10:18:30 am
Wynne says there will be transit taxes in the budget. Hudak: Ontarians want an election, and it's unfortunate that the premier sees Ontarians as revenue tools.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 18, 2014, 05:33:31 pm
Zach Paikin is running against Chris Charlton in Hamilton-West-Ancaster-Dundas next year. (http://www.ipolitics.ca/2014/02/18/a-paikin-for-the-takin/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on February 19, 2014, 08:29:51 pm
For those who are interested: the policy resolutions that have been submitted to the LPC's convention. (https://convention.liberal.ca/2014-policy-resolutions/)  One that jumped out to me was number 97, calling for a trial of a guaranteed income supplement.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Linus Van Pelt on February 19, 2014, 08:37:43 pm
Zach Paikin is running against Chris Charlton in Hamilton-West-Ancaster-Dundas next year. (http://www.ipolitics.ca/2014/02/18/a-paikin-for-the-takin/)

Are you sure Charlton is running in this riding? It doesn't say this in your link. Why would she run here when her current Hamilton Mountain riding has undergone only minor changes and is more NDP-leaning?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on February 19, 2014, 08:39:11 pm
Zach Paikin is running against Chris Charlton in Hamilton-West-Ancaster-Dundas next year. (http://www.ipolitics.ca/2014/02/18/a-paikin-for-the-takin/)

Are you sure Charlton is running in this riding? It doesn't say this in your link. Why would she run here when her current Hamilton Mountain riding has undergone only minor changes and is more NDP-leaning?

Beat me to it. That would be incredibly stupid if she runs there.

So, the Paikins are Liberal? Makes sense, I guess. I wish TVO would hire non partisan journalists...


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 19, 2014, 08:39:23 pm
That's what it said earlier IIRC. Either way he loses. :P


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 19, 2014, 08:43:48 pm
Zach Paikin is running against Chris Charlton in Hamilton-West-Ancaster-Dundas next year. (http://www.ipolitics.ca/2014/02/18/a-paikin-for-the-takin/)

Are you sure Charlton is running in this riding? It doesn't say this in your link. Why would she run here when her current Hamilton Mountain riding has undergone only minor changes and is more NDP-leaning?

Beat me to it. That would be incredibly stupid if she runs there.

So, the Paikins are Liberal? Makes sense, I guess. I wish TVO would hire non partisan journalists...

Is there such a thing in political journalism? :P


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Linus Van Pelt on February 19, 2014, 08:51:38 pm
That's what it said earlier IIRC. Either way he loses. :P

Hmm, that suggests maybe they realized it was a mistake.

Anyway, Zach Paikin and Steve Paikin are not the same person and Paikin Sr. should not have to resign from journalism just because his son is running for office. Maybe he shouldn't moderate the debate this time around though, which is a pity, since he's been good at it.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on February 19, 2014, 09:33:37 pm
That's what it said earlier IIRC. Either way he loses. :P

Not necessarily.

Transposed results:

Cons: 42%
NDP: 28%
Lib: 25%

Suburban Hamilton tends to be a bellwether, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Liberals win it.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 19, 2014, 10:25:06 pm
Ipsos has 37L/29C/24N nationally. (http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/politics/liberal-lead-jumps-to-8-points-canadians-shrug-off-budget-poll-1.1695050)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Smid on February 19, 2014, 11:13:04 pm
That would almost be enough for a majority, if it were not for the Tories pulling ahead in BC. Difficult to get a majority when you're on the nose pretty much everywhere West of Ontario.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on February 19, 2014, 11:19:11 pm
That would almost be enough for a majority, if it were not for the Tories pulling ahead in BC. Difficult to get a majority when you're on the nose pretty much everywhere West of Ontario.

Meanwhile, we have the Tories in third in BC :S


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 19, 2014, 11:21:26 pm
Doubtful. Lead is too small and as always, highly inefficient vote. Meanwhile they're slipping in another key area: regional Quebec, and trail the NDP 32/27 among Francophones provincewide. (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201402/19/01-4740250-les-liberaux-en-perte-de-vitesse-au-quebec.php)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on February 20, 2014, 05:35:01 pm
Latest Ipsos Reid poll

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Things to note:

1) The Tories are at 12% in Atlantic Canada
2) The Grits are at almost 40% in Alberta!


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 20, 2014, 05:46:04 pm
Ipsos is excellent, but I have trouble believing Alberta and Atlantic. Angus-Reid has 33L/28C/26N among EV, 32C/31L/28N among LV.

In other news, Hiebert will retire next year. Said he never intended to be a career pol. Might also be knowing he won't rise higher, and I wouldn't be surprised to see others do the same. Cabinet personnel won't change substantially for the next while barring Flaherty's retirement. Leadership pool is also well-established.

If Harper did that it would be called preplanned fakery.  (http://www2.macleans.ca/2014/02/20/a-glimpse-into-justin-trudeaus-impressive-instinct-for-the-camera/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 21, 2014, 07:52:45 pm
Grits are moving tilting to port economically, gives us a bigger target. (http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/02/21/john-ivison-why-justin-trudeaus-new-guiding-light-could-have-a-dramatic-impact-on-canadian-public-policy/)

Meanwhile Hudak has said RTW will not be in the Tory platform.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Linus Van Pelt on February 21, 2014, 08:40:04 pm
Grits are moving tilting to port economically, gives us a bigger target. (http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/02/21/john-ivison-why-justin-trudeaus-new-guiding-light-could-have-a-dramatic-impact-on-canadian-public-policy/)

Bringing in Larry Summers to talk about stimulus is moving "leftward" from where the Liberals were? Some of these journalists haven't left the 1990's.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 21, 2014, 09:04:16 pm
Kenney's made the key Jobs Grant concession demanded by the provinces. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-agrees-to-provinces-main-demands-on-canada-job-grant/article17025856/)

Nanos has 34L/29C/23N nationally. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nanos-federal-liberals-5-points-ahead-of-conservatives-1.2546798?cmp=rss)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 23, 2014, 12:02:37 pm
Forgot to mention it, but Friday was the 40th anniversary of Tim Horton's death.  (http://www.torontosun.com/2014/02/22/tim-hortons-business--and-the-legend--still-thrive) :(


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 24, 2014, 11:30:48 am
Trudeau thinks Russia might invade Ukraine because they lost in hockey. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6HagDL7giI) In case anyone doubted he's in way over his head... but also continuing in the family foreign affairs tradition.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on February 24, 2014, 06:03:59 pm
Trudeau thinks Russia might invade Ukraine because they lost in hockey. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6HagDL7giI) In case anyone doubted he's in way over his head... but also continuing in the family foreign affairs tradition.

I for one welcome our teen popstar overlord.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: True Federalist on February 24, 2014, 07:11:42 pm
Trudeau thinks Russia might invade Ukraine because they lost in hockey. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6HagDL7giI) In case anyone doubted he's in way over his head... but also continuing in the family foreign affairs tradition.

I for one welcome our teen popstar overlord.

So Justin Bieber is the secret leader of the Liberals?  Who knew?  Still, I think a fair share of this forum would say that Bieber would do a better job as Canadian PM than Steven Harper.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 25, 2014, 10:26:16 am
Flaherty says he's undecided about running next year. (http://) Obviously he won't confirm one way or the other until just before the election... but a marked departure from his previous vehement insistence that he's running again. For all intents and purposes (since no one will ever remotely equal Fielding's 20 years) he'll be the longest-serving finance minister next year.

Trudeau has apologized to the Ukrainian Canadian Congress. In related news, his economic pitch is BS. (http://www2.macleans.ca/2014/02/24/after-trudeaus-warning-about-middle-class-discontent-a-look-at-income-trends/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 27, 2014, 04:29:50 pm
Conflicting reports on whether the premiers have accepted the Jobs Grant from CBC and Globe.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 27, 2014, 05:12:56 pm
Tories are courting Cannon (too old IMO) and a bunch of PLQ/CAQ candidates for next year. (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201402/26/01-4742881-lawrence-cannon-courtise-par-les-conservateurs.php)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on February 27, 2014, 07:43:56 pm
Darshan Kang (MLA for Calgary-McCall) will run for the federal Liberal nomination in Calgary Skyview for 2015 (http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/politics/Calgary+Liberal+taking+federal+seat/9555617/story.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on March 04, 2014, 05:36:19 pm
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Wildrose is out in front again.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Smid on March 04, 2014, 05:56:15 pm
More important that Wildrose leading provincially is Wildrose leading in all geographic areas.

What I find surprising is PC third in Edmonton!? What's the sample size?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 04, 2014, 06:09:01 pm
Under 40, but looking good for a poll not even halfway through this term. I'd love nothing more than to see them obliterated.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 04, 2014, 06:21:51 pm
Jobs Grant has now been secured. On another note, I find it pathetic that the Laurentians who crapped all over Preston Manning when he was in politics are now selectively quoting him against Poilievre.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on March 04, 2014, 07:48:18 pm
Jobs Grant has now been secured. On another note, I find it pathetic that the Laurentians who crapped all over Preston Manning when he was in politics are now selectively quoting him against Poilievre.

Why? Like everybody, sometimes he is wrong, sometimes, he is right. And he is right about the lack of transparency and the evilness of the voter suppression strategy.

But, true, like ecologists, Manning is anti-patriotic, now?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 04, 2014, 07:53:34 pm
When have I ever said Manning is disloyal for expressing his views?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on March 04, 2014, 08:11:59 pm
When have I ever said Manning is disloyal for expressing his views?

No, but I'm quite sure than some on your side think it.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on March 05, 2014, 11:53:18 am
More important that Wildrose leading provincially is Wildrose leading in all geographic areas.

What I find surprising is PC third in Edmonton!? What's the sample size?

Sample size of the whole poll was 1000, with 806 decided voters.  The Edmonton sample size was 266 (compared to 275 in Calgary and 264 in the rest of Alberta).

http://www.leger360.com/admin/upload/publi_pdf/AB%20Provincial%20Poll%20-%20February%2028%202014.pdf

In terms of all 1000 people polled, the results were as follows:

Wildrose: 28%
PC: 17%
NDP: 11%
Liberal: 10%
Alberta Party: 2%
Others: 1%
Undecided: 24%
Don't know/Wouldn't vote: 8%

As an active PCer, I'm obviously viewing this with a strong bias.  However, when I saw this, I was reminded of a poll from 2010 that showed 42% Wildrose to 27% PC.  We've pulled ourselves back from being this low in the polls before, and in the same timeframe.  It will certainly be tough, but considering that this poll was conducted after the media has been hounding the government over expenses related to government plane usage for the better part of two months, things could be a lot worse.

Something else of note: assuming that this poll is correct, the Wildrose has gained very little support from the PCs since the election.  The majority of PC losses in the polls seem to be related to gains by the Liberals and New Democrats.  The WRP, according to this, has only gained about 4 points, compared to a combined 11 points for the NDP and Liberals.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on March 07, 2014, 12:18:36 am
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Wildrose is out in front again.

It looks like Environics disagrees. (http://www.environics.ca/uploads/Image/Environics_-_Focus_Alberta_Feb_2014_Mood_of_the_Province_-_March_4_2014.pdf)

PC: 36
WRP: 33
ALP: 18
NDP: 12


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 07, 2014, 07:09:12 pm
Toews gets his judgeship. (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/03/07/vic-toews-gets-seat-on-manitoba-bench/#.UxpdmtCEiUl)

Unfortunately, Harper and Poilievre will wave Chong's bill through.  (http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/03/06/john-ivison-mp-confident-harper-will-not-block-passage-of-reform-act-that-would-reduce-pms-power/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on March 08, 2014, 10:30:54 am
It looks like Environics disagrees. (http://www.environics.ca/uploads/Image/Environics_-_Focus_Alberta_Feb_2014_Mood_of_the_Province_-_March_4_2014.pdf)

PC: 36
WRP: 33
ALP: 18
NDP: 12

That would make for some interesting results.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 08, 2014, 12:04:57 pm
Speaking of Alberta... Redford's starting to be on borrowed time. That outfit is just as trigger-happy as the PQ. (http://www.calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/Braid+High+flying+premier+lands+pile+trouble/9583989/story.html) Ironic considering expense abuse is probably their mildest form of corruption.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on March 08, 2014, 04:54:09 pm
It looks like Environics disagrees. (http://www.environics.ca/uploads/Image/Environics_-_Focus_Alberta_Feb_2014_Mood_of_the_Province_-_March_4_2014.pdf)

PC: 36
WRP: 33
ALP: 18
NDP: 12

That would make for some interesting results.

Definitely.  Judging by the regional samples, I could see the PCs holding on to their majority, but if they were to do so then it would be much closer than in 2012.  They seem to be doing a decent job of holding their ground in Calgary, Edmonton, and the rural north.  However, it looks like the WRP would pick up a fair amount of the remaining rural PC seats in southern and central Alberta.  Seats in the province's smaller cities could be interesting to watch as well.  The PC's hold most of the seats where small cities make up at least part of the riding population, but if enough PC voters from the last election were to move over to other parties, then these would be vulnerable.  Notably, there's a decent chance of Lethbridge-West going NDP, and an outside chance of Red Deer-North going Liberal, depending on how the voters ultimately vote.


Speaking of Alberta... Redford's starting to be on borrowed time. That outfit is just as trigger-happy as the PQ. (http://www.calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/Braid+High+flying+premier+lands+pile+trouble/9583989/story.html) Ironic considering expense abuse is probably their mildest form of corruption.

Don Braid is certainly loving this; it's giving him lots of catchy headlines for him column.  But the PO does need to get its act together. 


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 08, 2014, 05:17:31 pm
I can only imagine the reaction if Toews were appointed to the Supreme Court.  (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/former-conservative-public-safety-minister-vic-toews-named-to-manitoba-court/article17368609/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on March 09, 2014, 01:38:07 pm
Corporate Research Associates did their quarterly poll of Atlantic Canada. Change from last quarter's poll are in brackets.

Newfoundland
Liberal: 53% (+1)
Progressive Conservative: 33% (+4)
NDP 13% (-6)

New Brunswick
Liberal: 43% (-4)
Progressive Conservative: 31% (+6)
NDP 21% (-3)
Green 4% (-)
People's Alliance 1 (-)

PEI
Liberal: 53% (+4)
NDP 22% (-4)
Progressive Conservative: 17% (-)
Green 7% (-)

They usually release one province each day, so I expect the Nova Scotia results will be out Monday. Some comments:

1) The Newfoundland Tories just got a leader, so I doubt their uptick in support will last.
2) The swing to the NB Tories is more likely to stick, though they still have a lot of ground to make up if they want to win in October.
3) The NB NDP have declined some, but they should still establish a beachhead in the next election (maybe 4-5 seats)
4) The PEI NDP in 2nd last quarter was not a fluke! I have no idea how that support will translate into seats though.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on March 09, 2014, 03:07:42 pm
If that was the result in PEI, I think it would result in the Liberals winning every seat. The NDP could win one if the leader was popular (like 1996).


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on March 10, 2014, 01:11:31 am
If that was the result in PEI, I think it would result in the Liberals winning every seat. The NDP could win one if the leader was popular (like 1996).

Well, they should focus only on their leader seat for now, to try to get someone in the Assembly.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on March 10, 2014, 04:41:31 pm
Nova Scotia
Liberal: 60% (+2)
Progressive Conservative: 20% (+1)
NDP: 18% (-1)
Green: 1% (-2)

Still in the honeymoon period I guess.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 10, 2014, 06:06:09 pm
Laurie Hawn is retiring next year. (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/03/10/veteran-edmonton-tory-mp-wont-run-again/#.Ux5E8I2YaYN)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 13, 2014, 03:39:31 pm
In case anyone doubted "open" LPC nominations are a joke. (http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/candidacy-of-ex-mps-wife-blocked-over-bullying-complaints/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 14, 2014, 06:06:06 pm
Alberta PC executive meets tomorrow, no one really knows what they'll do next. (http://www.calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/Braid+Stunned+MLAs+unsure+next+move/9615729/story.html) My guess is nothing, for now.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on March 14, 2014, 06:15:03 pm
The Tories would be wise to dump Redford. I can't see them winning with her as leader.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 14, 2014, 06:18:23 pm
The Tories would be wise to dump Redford. I can't see them winning with her as leader.

I hope she stays. A Wildrose earthquake would be the sweetest provincial victory of all for me.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 14, 2014, 08:21:08 pm
Who'd ever think treating your caucus like crap could end badly?  (http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/03/14/alison-redfords-greatest-weakness-is-that-shes-not-a-nice-lady/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on March 14, 2014, 09:14:01 pm
A bit misogynistic


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on March 15, 2014, 06:39:27 pm
A bit misogynistic

That's certainly the feeling that a couple commentators out here have been getting from this situation.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/opinion/op-ed/Lakritz+Double+standard+takes+wing+Redford+Klein/9610511/story.html (http://www.calgaryherald.com/opinion/op-ed/Lakritz+Double+standard+takes+wing+Redford+Klein/9610511/story.html)

http://www.calgaryherald.com/Klassen+Attacks+Redford+about+gender/9598527/story.html (http://www.calgaryherald.com/Klassen+Attacks+Redford+about+gender/9598527/story.html)


The Tories would be wise to dump Redford. I can't see them winning with her as leader.

At this point, I don't either.  But at the same time, I don't get the feeling that we're up for another leadership contest.


Who'd ever think treating your caucus like crap could end badly?  (http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/03/14/alison-redfords-greatest-weakness-is-that-shes-not-a-nice-lady/)

I'm not sure how accurate these allegations are.  Keep in mind that Webber's never been a friend of the premier's.  In fact, he was pretty vocally trying to get people to vote against her in the leadership review at our last AGM.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 15, 2014, 06:50:10 pm
They've put her on undisclosed probation.  (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alison-redford-gets-work-plan-from-pcs-after-brutal-talks-1.2574198)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on March 16, 2014, 01:41:35 pm
On a bit of a lighter note, here's yet another demonstration of SUN news' quality of journalism:

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It was a good guess, but that gentleman is Jim McCormick, President of PC Alberta.  I believe that Dave Hancock's in the back somewhere, behind a few people.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Poirot on March 16, 2014, 04:55:30 pm
I had emailed the federal Infrastructure Minister about the decision to put a toll on the Champlain bridge. I have received a reply three months later. He says sorry for the delay. I guess it's true governments are slow.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 17, 2014, 08:35:02 am
Confirmed that Baird will run in Nepean. (http://www.hilltimes.com/news/news/2014/03/17/baird-to-run-in-new-riding-of-nepean-other-parties-see-his-old-riding-as-winnable/37870?page_requested=1)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on March 17, 2014, 08:43:54 am
L+1 (in Ottawa West-Nepean)?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 17, 2014, 08:58:56 am
With Deb Coyne? Also, hoping for an election next spring due to the many provincials that fall. IIRC Harper hinted as much.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 17, 2014, 03:34:11 pm
Zach Paikin is a "Liberal star?" WTF? Anyways, he's quitting his race and giving rigged nominations as his reason. (http://o.canada.com/news/zach-paikin-quits-hamilton-race/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Poirot on March 17, 2014, 04:56:53 pm
Also, hoping for an election next spring due to the many provincials that fall. IIRC Harper hinted as much.

If it is changed tp Spring I hope he has all parties support publicly because if not it will look like he is not respecting the rules.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 18, 2014, 03:16:14 pm
BREAKING: Jim Flaherty has resigned. Says he's returning to the private sector.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on March 18, 2014, 03:24:26 pm
Wow. Who will be the Finance Minister now?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 18, 2014, 03:30:51 pm
Wow. Who will be the Finance Minister now?

Clement is the logical choice, with an outside shot of Kenney.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 18, 2014, 03:52:32 pm
His replacement will be sworn in tomorrow.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 18, 2014, 07:57:43 pm
Looks like MacDougall was right: it will be Oliver, per CBC. Hopefully just till the election. So who replaces Oliver at Natural Resources?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 18, 2014, 08:21:50 pm
Here's the link. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/joe-oliver-to-replace-jim-flaherty-as-finance-minister-1.2577648)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on March 18, 2014, 08:37:31 pm
Looks like MacDougall was right: it will be Oliver, per CBC. Hopefully just till the election. So who replaces Oliver at Natural Resources?

Do we really need one? Harper policy is letting the corporations do as they want. He could abolish it while pretneding to cut red tape.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on March 19, 2014, 06:02:30 pm
Allison Redford is going to make an announcement at 8pm


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 19, 2014, 06:06:54 pm
No questions. So reshuffle or more apologies IMO.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hash on March 19, 2014, 06:26:58 pm
Looks like MacDougall was right: it will be Oliver, per CBC. Hopefully just till the election. So who replaces Oliver at Natural Resources?

Do we really need one? Harper policy is letting the corporations do as they want. He could abolish it while pretneding to cut red tape.

Well, we need an oil salesman and somebody to peddle the pipelines.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on March 19, 2014, 06:31:28 pm
No questions. So reshuffle or more apologies IMO.

Sounds to me like a resignation.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 19, 2014, 06:35:12 pm
That's the Twitterverse rumour too. I hope Albertans don't fall for this in 2016.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on March 19, 2014, 07:07:47 pm
And she's resigning.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 19, 2014, 07:11:44 pm
Good riddance.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on March 19, 2014, 08:46:23 pm
It's shameful that she had to leave in this manner.  I just hope that the debate can return to policy, rather than the WRP carrying on about negligible expense issues.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on March 19, 2014, 08:50:58 pm
As expected, speculation is already starting on who will run to replace her.  Stephen Mandel, Jim Dinning, Dave Hancock, Doug Horner, Jim Prentice, Gary Mar, and Thomas Lukaszuk have all had their names thrown around as potential contenders.  Supposedly Nenshi didn't give a firm 'no' when a reporter asked if he would run, but regardless, I doubt that a candidacy by him would go over really well.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on March 19, 2014, 08:59:38 pm
Nenshi as leader would be um... interesting. I'd vote for him if I lived in his district.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on March 19, 2014, 09:01:58 pm
Good riddance.

PC's elect new leader, win another election leader gets booted. Rinse, repeat.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on March 19, 2014, 09:14:02 pm
So who's in line for the throne?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on March 19, 2014, 09:59:27 pm
So who's in line for the throne?

As expected, speculation is already starting on who will run to replace her.  Stephen Mandel, Jim Dinning, Dave Hancock, Doug Horner, Jim Prentice, Gary Mar, and Thomas Lukaszuk have all had their names thrown around as potential contenders.  Supposedly Nenshi didn't give a firm 'no' when a reporter asked if he would run, but regardless, I doubt that a candidacy by him would go over really well.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on March 20, 2014, 05:45:27 am
So who's in line for the throne?

As expected, speculation is already starting on who will run to replace her.  Stephen Mandel, Jim Dinning, Dave Hancock, Doug Horner, Jim Prentice, Gary Mar, and Thomas Lukaszuk have all had their names thrown around as potential contenders.  Supposedly Nenshi didn't give a firm 'no' when a reporter asked if he would run, but regardless, I doubt that a candidacy by him would go over really well.

Ah whoops.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on March 20, 2014, 10:22:40 am
According to Calgary Herald reporters' comments on twitter, Hancock and Griffiths have both said that they won't run for premier.  Presumably, this means that Hancock will take the interim premier position until a new leader is selected.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on March 20, 2014, 10:58:34 am
Yes, Hancock will be Premier.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Poirot on March 20, 2014, 05:04:05 pm
A CROP poll for federal voting intentions in Quebec.

LPC 33%
NDP 31
Bloc 18
CP 13

(franco NDP 35, LPC 28, Bloc 21, CP 13)

Best PM: 27% Trudeau, 26% Mulcair, 12% Harper
30% satisfied with the government


http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201403/19/01-4749419-sondage-le-npd-talonne-les-liberaux-de-trudeau.php?utm_categorieinterne=trafficdrivers&utm_contenuinterne=cyberpresse_lire_aussi_4740223_article_POS1 (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201403/19/01-4749419-sondage-le-npd-talonne-les-liberaux-de-trudeau.php?utm_categorieinterne=trafficdrivers&utm_contenuinterne=cyberpresse_lire_aussi_4740223_article_POS1)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Poirot on March 21, 2014, 09:00:02 am
The supreme court blocks the appointment of Marc Nadon as supreme court justice.

From all possible judges and lawyers, the government had to pick someone who is not eligible.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/scc-blocks-harper-s-appointment-of-marc-nadon-1.1739280 (http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/scc-blocks-harper-s-appointment-of-marc-nadon-1.1739280)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on March 21, 2014, 04:54:21 pm
Another defeat for Harper in Federal Court, about medical marijuana.

New rules, starting April 1st, would end the system of sick people producing themselves the marijuana they use, to replace it by a system where corporations would produce it and sell it.

Federal Court granted an injunction letting the current producer-user system legal until the courts decides (probably in 2015).


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on March 21, 2014, 07:32:20 pm
Not to sound like BRTD here, but I went to the strip club (for lunch) that Senator Brazeau manages during the day, and he was indeed there. :)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 23, 2014, 09:27:23 am
Leaving aside the whitewash of how Chretien got ousted, for once I strongly agree with Kinsella. Treat caucus the way you want them to treat you.  (http://warrenkinsella.com/2014/03/in-sundays-sun-of-nice-guys-and-politics/#comments)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 23, 2014, 02:50:46 pm
More Laurentian tears, though nothing Mulroney didn't say in his memoirs.  (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/03/23/mulroney-castigated-trudeau-over-meech/#.Uy81-NBzaUn) 15 months from now should be interesting.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 24, 2014, 08:50:00 am
Angus-Reid: 33/32/26 LPC among LV. (http://www.angusreidglobal.com/polls/48934/liberals-lead-conservatives-among-eligible-voters-different-story-among-likely-voters/)

I'm sure Horwath will find an excuse for abstention. (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/03/24/next_liberal_budget_could_force_ndps_hand_says_insider.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 25, 2014, 01:05:25 pm
Insert snark, JT will have a memoir out this fall. (http://www.news1130.com/2014/03/25/liberal-leader-justin-trudeau-to-publish-candid-memoir-in-english-and-french/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Smid on March 25, 2014, 04:14:37 pm
Insert snark, JT will have a memoir out this fall. (http://www.news1130.com/2014/03/25/liberal-leader-justin-trudeau-to-publish-candid-memoir-in-english-and-french/)

I thought you needed to accomplish something before having memoirs published? #inoverhishead


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 25, 2014, 04:56:00 pm
His rationale when asked is that voters still have questions and want to know more about him.  (http://www.ctvnews.ca/qp/inside-ottawa-news-and-notes-from-parliament-hill-1.1472908)You don't usually see this much fluff outside of bedding stores. I liked Mulcair's line about waiting another 15 years.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Smid on March 25, 2014, 05:29:52 pm
If the Liberals poll third in seats next year, being party leader of the third largest political party may be his highest pinnacle of success...  Perhaps his memoirs are not out of synch with his career progression...


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 25, 2014, 05:45:28 pm
That would be rather hilarious. Chretien, Iggy and Layton all wrote pre-campaign memoirs, but they'd accomplished a lot before writing them.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on March 25, 2014, 08:27:52 pm
His rationale when asked is that voters still have questions and want to know more about him.  (http://www.ctvnews.ca/qp/inside-ottawa-news-and-notes-from-parliament-hill-1.1472908)You don't usually see this much fluff outside of bedding stores. I liked Mulcair's line about waiting another 15 years.

Will it be a pop-up book?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 25, 2014, 09:01:43 pm
I'm sure the ghost will pop up eventually. I'll probably skim the book in a bookstore, but no purchase. I only buy prime ministerial memoirs. ;)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on March 25, 2014, 09:38:40 pm
Who really wants to read boring platitudes?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 25, 2014, 09:59:05 pm
Who really wants to read boring platitudes?

Quite a few people, in this case. My guess is plenty of soft-focus stuff, not that certain media needs too much prompting.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Smid on March 25, 2014, 10:06:25 pm
His rationale when asked is that voters still have questions and want to know more about him.  (http://www.ctvnews.ca/qp/inside-ottawa-news-and-notes-from-parliament-hill-1.1472908)

I suspect the real reason is the slide revealed in the latest poll... As the honeymoon draws to a close, they need something to keep him in the news - and let's face it, the bump they received was based entirely on personality, not policy, so something like this is what is required to continue focusing attention on the Derek Zoolander of Canadian politics.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 25, 2014, 10:34:31 pm
He's been quite consistently in the low to mid 30s since becoming leader. Throwing himself down some stairs, taking his shirt off or swearing in the House... none of those things require ghostwriters. I used the LV numbers, but eligible voters haven't changed at all since the last A-R poll. 33/28/27 now, 33/28/26 then. Still white noise till the writs are dropped, needless to say.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 26, 2014, 02:39:05 pm
Clement has reached a deal with the PEUs.  (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/public-sector-feds-reach-deal-on-retiree-health-benefits-1.2586998)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 26, 2014, 07:59:35 pm
Interesting nomination brouhaha in Oakville but doubt it amounts to much. I agree with what Bellevance said on PP: no such thing as a truly open nomination.  (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/03/26/tories-mad-over-perceived-nomination-meddling/#.UzN0wI1OXIU) Trudeau caused himself needless grief by pretending there was.

Fletcher wants to reopen the euthanasia debate.  (http://globalnews.ca/news/1232112/manitoba-conservative-mp-fletcher-plans-right-to-die-bill/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on March 26, 2014, 08:14:13 pm
oakville is not in mississauga


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 27, 2014, 03:23:14 pm
Some lying Grit hacks are trying to insinuate that Megan Leslie's a truther (http://meganleslie.ndp.ca/ae-911-truth-national-tour) or promoting trutherism. No reading comprehension, since they didn't read the disclaimer.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on March 29, 2014, 07:55:53 am
The NS Liberals are eliminating interest on the provincial portion of student loans. (http://thechronicleherald.ca/novascotia/1196551-nova-scotia-eliminates-interest-on-student-loans)

Not a fan of this plan, but it should be interesting to see how it plays out.

Prediction: It won't affect whether more kids pursue post-secondary education.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on March 29, 2014, 12:57:08 pm
I'm sure this comes as no surprise, but Rob Anders is being...well, himself again. (http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/politics/Anders+apologizes+wrongly+labelling+temporary+Tory/9673740/story.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on March 29, 2014, 04:40:11 pm
Julia Gillard is in town to speak at the Progress Summit.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on March 29, 2014, 08:48:23 pm
Julia Gillard is in town to speak at the Progress Summit.

Broadbent Institute should be ashamed for inviting that bigot.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 29, 2014, 09:28:50 pm
She didn't even discuss SSM, rather carbon taxes. (http://www.ipolitics.ca/2014/03/29/julia-gillards-advice-to-canada-putting-a-price-on-carbon-is-possible/) One of our attack centrepieces next year on both opposition parties.

On another subject, Redford loved her opulence.  (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alison-redford-ordered-penthouse-suite-in-federal-building-1.2589713)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on March 29, 2014, 09:58:07 pm
She didn't even discuss SSM, rather carbon taxes. (http://www.ipolitics.ca/2014/03/29/julia-gillards-advice-to-canada-putting-a-price-on-carbon-is-possible/) One of our attack centrepieces next year on both opposition parties.

So, you are agreeing with letting companies pollute the air without having to pay anything?

Personally, I think than Redford should be prosecuted for embezzlement.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on March 29, 2014, 10:39:32 pm
Julia Gillard is in town to speak at the Progress Summit.

Broadbent Institute should be ashamed for inviting that bigot.

Indeed, inviting her was questionable in the very least. Lots of NDPers on fb/twitter are gushing over getting to hear her. Rather disappointing.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 30, 2014, 01:39:41 pm
More Gazpalooza (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/wynne-threatens-hudak-with-legal-action-over-power-plant-allegations/article17729530/) in Ontario. (http://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2014/03/29/spring_election_in_the_air_over_gasplant_stench_cohn.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 30, 2014, 07:13:56 pm
Trudeau at Fight for the Cure: (http://blogs.ottawacitizen.com/2014/03/30/justin-trudeau-drops-f-bomb-at-charity-event/) “All the — your name, your fortune, your intelligence, your beauty — none of that fycking matters.” I'm very open to political cussin', but wrong context IMO. Needs to be amusing and/or original. Brings back memories of Freeland's "job your father had" own goal last year.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 30, 2014, 07:54:31 pm
Soudas out as CPC exec director because as one wag put it, he put bedroom before boardroom.  (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/dimitri-soudas-out-as-conservative-party-executive-director-1.2592198)One of our best operatives but the consequence is appropriate IMO.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 01, 2014, 09:07:39 am
Ontario budget docs leaked to the Tories. (http://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2014/04/01/secret_documents_point_to_bigspending_ontario_liberal_budget.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on April 01, 2014, 05:48:51 pm
Conservatives sounded really incompetent, today, when Harper claimed than they were surprised about than the appoitment rules for Quebec judges at Supreme Court were different than those for other Supreme judges.

MacKay sounded even more silly by defending Harper by saying than the rule was new. It was created in 1875, so, not really new.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 01, 2014, 06:21:26 pm
This week's Political Traction: 43% national, 10% Ottawa for Ukraine, 42% national, 22% Ottawa for #qc2014, 15% national and 68% Ottawa for FEA. None surprising except, pleasantly, Ukraine nationally.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 01, 2014, 08:28:48 pm
On a lighter note, who's everyone's favourite premier of your respective province? Mine's in my sig.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 01, 2014, 08:52:46 pm
One FEA amendment will be a vouching compromise. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pierre-poilievre-open-to-changing-controversial-election-measure-1.2594721?cmp=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on April 01, 2014, 09:06:10 pm
On a lighter note, who's everyone's favourite premier of your respective province? Mine's in my sig.

Pre-Confederation: Joseph Howe
Post-Confederation: Bob Stanfield


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 01, 2014, 09:06:24 pm
If Horwath does an about-face and topples Wynne, ON vote could be June 26. Since Horwath probably won't do that, Star scoop is moot. (http://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2014/04/01/june_26_election_looms.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 02, 2014, 08:37:59 am
Mike Harcourt has quit the BC NDP, citing energy policy and James' ouster as reasons. (http://www.canada.com/news/Vaughn+Palmer+Mike+Harcourt+abandons+shocking+many/9688006/story.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 02, 2014, 09:31:31 am
Harper orders a party investigation into Adams' alleged abuse of CIMS. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/eve-adams-riding-fight-pm-asks-party-to-investigate-new-allegations-1.2595485) If found guilty he should deny her renomination or boot her from caucus. One Guergis was bad enough, we don't need another.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on April 02, 2014, 02:20:49 pm
On a lighter note, who's everyone's favourite premier of your respective province? Mine's in my sig.

Probably Peter Lougheed


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on April 02, 2014, 02:22:18 pm
Jean Lesage.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 02, 2014, 05:09:23 pm
Adams sure sounds like Guergis II. (http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/04/02/how-eve-adams-alarm-bells-first-started-ringing-in-pmo-after-refund-row-over-6-car-wash/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on April 02, 2014, 05:39:55 pm
Adams sure sounds like Guergis II. (http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/04/02/how-eve-adams-alarm-bells-first-started-ringing-in-pmo-after-refund-row-over-6-car-wash/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)

No need to expell her, with those news, she shouldn't win the nomination election in Oakville-North Burlington.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 02, 2014, 05:43:51 pm
Hopefully not, whether by vote or Harper's veto.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on April 02, 2014, 05:50:23 pm
Favourite Premier: Ernest Drury, I guess.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 03, 2014, 08:22:34 am
Harper under pressure to fire Adams as Ambrose's PS and bar her from nomination. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/eve-adams-nomination-scrap-a-test-case-for-tory-grassroots-1.2596311)

Ugh, simply disgusting. (http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/families-of-fallen-soldiers-invited-to-ottawa-service-must-pay-own-way-1.1758517)

Woot, Wall's still at 2/3 approval. (http://www.angusreidglobal.com/polls/48941/amidst-provincial-political-upheaval-walls-job-approval-is-highest-in-canada-2/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on April 03, 2014, 01:52:47 pm
How about favorite obscure premier? I'm a fan of Boss Johnson


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 03, 2014, 06:10:02 pm
Interesting take on a possible progressive counteroffensive to move the Overton window. (http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/which-way-forward-for-progressives/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 04, 2014, 08:15:52 am
OLP sees NDP as their major threat: not fear of Premier Horwath but a soft progressive split enabling Premier Hudak. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/liberals-hope-to-fixate-voters-on-an-ndp-free-dichotomy/article17820860/) Team Dithers.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 04, 2014, 07:37:23 pm
Wynne's serving Hudak and MacLeod with libel notices. From what I've read, it probably won't get to court before the next election. (http://www.newstalk1010.com/news/2014/04/04/breaking-premier-serves-pc-leader-mpp-with-libel-notice)

Hilarious: Dad's people mad at Wynne for distancing herself, she's pissed at them for leaving her this wreckage. (http://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2014/04/04/gasplant_scandal_exposes_liberal_rifts.html) Strangler/Dithers all over again, exact same spin too: we're a new gang going for a first term, not the same old folks with a few new faces going for a fourth. Not surprising given that Dithers' gang (Herle and Murphy among others) is so prominent at the OLP. As I've said before, if '11 is their '04, opposition parties gotta follow our '05-'06 strategy to finish them off.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on April 04, 2014, 08:45:35 pm
Hilarious: Dad's people mad at Wynne for distancing herself, she's pissed at them for leaving her this wreckage. (http://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2014/04/04/gasplant_scandal_exposes_liberal_rifts.html) Strangler/Dithers all over again, exact same spin too: we're a new gang going for a first term, not the same old folks with a few new faces going for a fourth. Not surprising given that Dithers' gang (Herle and Murphy among others) is so prominent at the OLP. As I've said before, if '11 is their '04, opposition parties gotta follow our '05-'06 strategy to finish them off.

Can we get some 06 style gaffes? I really want to hear someone talking about soldiers in our streets again.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 08, 2014, 08:16:38 am
Looks like National Council will settle for an Adams reprimand and let the riding deal with her. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/mp-could-learn-fate-this-week/article17869106/)

Fraser and Manning will be testifying on the FEA. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/preston-manning-sheila-fraser-to-testify-on-elections-bill-1.2601517)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 08, 2014, 10:14:46 pm
BQ leadership race kicks off tomorrow, results in 6 weeks. (http://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/Politique/2014/04/08/005-course-direction-bloc-lancement.shtml?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)

Something tells me Poilievre and Mayrand won't be exchanging Christmas cards anytime soon. (http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/poilievre-s-attack-on-chief-electoral-officer-vicious-totally-inappropriate-1.1766260)

Another abortion motion from Woodworth.  (http://www.cbc.ca/newsblogs/politics/inside-politics-blog/2014/04/stephen-woodworth-to-seek-house-consent-for-vote-on-new-human-being-motion.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 09, 2014, 06:42:28 am
Soudas was even more involved than previously thought. Banned from any executive power for 5 years or thereabouts, IMO. . (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/04/08/dimitri_soudas_had_early_involvement_in_eve_adams_campaign_notes_suggest.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 09, 2014, 02:30:53 pm
EKOS Ontario: OLP 32, NDP 30, PC 27. (http://www.ipolitics.ca/2014/04/09/its-still-anybodys-race-in-ontario/) Waiting for Ipsos.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 09, 2014, 03:20:58 pm
Seeback has some good points, but probably safe to assume most pro-lifers (psst: CES/exit pollsters - a new question for ya) vote Tory.  (http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/canadian-tory-mp-vote-for-pro-life-candidates-not-partyl)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on April 09, 2014, 07:48:10 pm
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Updated map of provincial general elections


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on April 09, 2014, 08:38:39 pm
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Updated map of provincial general elections

:D Very cool. You should put the Yukon ridings in too.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Smid on April 09, 2014, 09:02:55 pm
Awesome work!


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 09, 2014, 10:04:03 pm
Fife reports that Adams has been  (https://twitter.com/RobertFife/status/454087495102115841) reprimanded by National Council but not disqualified. (https://twitter.com/RobertFife/status/454086982860165120) Still hope she's denied that nomination.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on April 10, 2014, 02:34:37 am
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Updated map of provincial general elections

:D Very cool. You should put the Yukon ridings in too.

I would have, but I couldn't find any of the territorial riding shapefiles, and Elections Yukon hasn't gotten back to me yet. Didn't feel like mucking around


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 10, 2014, 09:28:11 am
Brazeau's been arrested again for assault, cocaine and death threats. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/patrick-brazeau-suspended-senator-arrested-in-gatineau-1.2605159)

BQ will elect a leader June 14. (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-quebecoise/201404/09/01-4756120-le-bloc-quebecois-elira-un-chef-le-14-juin.php?utm_categorieinterne=trafficdrivers&utm_contenuinterne=cyberpresse_B13b_politique-canadienne_560_section_POS3)

Harper has given the green light for his Ontarians to campaign provincially. (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201404/09/01-4756200-ottawa-a-loeil-sur-queens-park.php?utm_categorieinterne=trafficdrivers&utm_contenuinterne=cyberpresse_B13b_politique-canadienne_560_section_POS2)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: True Federalist on April 10, 2014, 10:13:48 am
Brazeau's been arrested again for assault, cocaine and death threats. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/patrick-brazeau-suspended-senator-arrested-in-gatineau-1.2605159)


You Canadians do seem to be going out of your way to have entertaining political collapses of late.  I can't see a movie being made of this tho.  Suspended Senator taking job as day manager of a strip club?  Too unbelievable!


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 10, 2014, 01:21:24 pm
BREAKING: Jim Flaherty has died, multiple networks reporting. RIP. :(


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 10, 2014, 01:23:03 pm
Commons has been suspended for the day.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 10, 2014, 01:31:08 pm
Here's a link. (http://globalnews.ca/news/1263247/jim-flaherty-passes-away-at-63-reports/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on April 10, 2014, 01:45:33 pm
I'm very shocked by that event, obviously. Reminds me of Claude Béchard, a few years ago.

I pretty much never agreed with him, but, death is always a sad thing. No doubt he always did what he thought was the best for Canada and his legacy will continue to affect Canada for a long moment.

RIP.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Smid on April 10, 2014, 04:23:37 pm
Terribly sad. RIP.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Holmes on April 10, 2014, 07:47:43 pm
I'm shocked. Very sad.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 10, 2014, 10:37:30 pm
On another subject, if Adams is found to have exceeded her spending limit she'll be disqualified. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/eve-adams-riding-fight-mp-warned-to-behave-but-allowed-to-run-for-now-1.2605026)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on April 11, 2014, 07:03:47 am
On a personal level, Flaherty must have been a truly great man, to have brought people like Mulcair and Charlie Angus to tears.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on April 11, 2014, 03:33:21 pm
Flaherty's getting a state funeral.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on April 11, 2014, 06:55:54 pm
Ken Hughes becomes 1st candidate to enter race for Leader of PC Alberta (http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Hughes+first+enter+leadership+race/9728625/story.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on April 12, 2014, 07:58:32 pm
Later tonight, we should know if Conservative MP Rob Anders is reselected for Calgary-Signal Hill. He faces an high-profile PC MLA.

It's called a race between the two wings of the Alberta CPC, but Rob Anders issues should be kept in mind (falling asleep, calling Mandela a terrorist, saying than Mulcair caused the death of Layton....)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 12, 2014, 09:06:48 pm
Polls are now closed.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on April 12, 2014, 10:33:37 pm
The rumor is than delays are caused by recount(s).


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 12, 2014, 10:34:34 pm
Preliminary number I'm seeing on Twitter is Anders 1382-1377.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 12, 2014, 10:38:49 pm
Now conflicting reports about who won.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on April 12, 2014, 10:39:50 pm
But Calgary Herald is saying than Liepert won.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 12, 2014, 10:43:52 pm
No, that's a draft with both outcomes. Or as Paul Fairie put it on Twitter, "Dewey Defeats Truman/Truman Defeats Dewey." Maclean's actually did that in '57 with a Liberal majority editorial.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on April 12, 2014, 10:49:33 pm
Now, we have CBC Calgary twitter feed, too (but, with the cuts, they probably covering it by reading Twitter).


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 12, 2014, 10:50:57 pm
My reaction is meh. On one hand no more Anders, on the other a Red replacing a Blue in Alberta. So hoping for a Blue challenge in '19.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on April 12, 2014, 10:53:50 pm
My reaction is meh. On one hand no more Anders, on the other a Red replacing a Blue in Alberta. So hoping for a Blue challenge in '19.

Well, let's me honest, it's not Liepert winning, it's Anders losing.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on April 12, 2014, 10:59:18 pm
My reaction is meh. On one hand no more Anders, on the other a Red replacing a Blue in Alberta. So hoping for a Blue challenge in '19.

Must I remember than Conservatives automatically reselected incumbents in the last elections (this time, it's only because of redistricting)?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on April 12, 2014, 11:19:57 pm
This is the greatest news!

In other good news, voters in Kitimat rejected the Enbridge Northern Gateway Pipeline plebiscite 58-42% :)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 12, 2014, 11:21:05 pm
In other AB news: Rajotte still contemplating a PC leadership bid, but waiting on Mandel and Prentice.  (http://www.canada.com/news/politics/Alberta+James+Rajotte+takes+wait+approach+Tory+leadership/9730609/story.html) Nomination battle I really care about is Edmonton-St. Albert.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on April 13, 2014, 07:48:55 am
My reaction is meh. On one hand no more Anders, on the other a Red replacing a Blue in Alberta. So hoping for a Blue challenge in '19.

Must I remember than Conservatives automatically reselected incumbents in the last elections (this time, it's only because of redistricting)?

Majority government. Incumbents are automatically reselected in a minority.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hash on April 13, 2014, 09:44:27 am
Good riddance to the worst specimen of human scum.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on April 13, 2014, 09:46:52 am
Good riddance to the worst specimen of human scum.

My thoughts exactly. Even if you're a blue Tory, one should be ashamed of such an asshat.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on April 13, 2014, 12:11:03 pm
Anyway, we now have an excellent new euphemism. 'Returning to the private sector' = 'I am dying'.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on April 13, 2014, 03:13:00 pm
Anyway, we now have an excellent new euphemism. 'Returning to the private sector' = 'I am dying'.

The issue is than it's apparently not the plan. He had health issues, which weren't heart issues and if he was dying, logically, he would be in his Whitby home with his wife, not in his Ottawa residence near Parliament (when his wife works in Toronto).


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on April 13, 2014, 03:14:50 pm
Is Rob Anders "returning to the private sector"?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on April 13, 2014, 04:16:51 pm
Good riddance to the worst specimen of human scum.

No, if he were human scum, we would've given him the Order of Canada.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on April 13, 2014, 05:33:10 pm
Anyway, we now have an excellent new euphemism. 'Returning to the private sector' = 'I am dying'.

The issue is than it's apparently not the plan. He had health issues, which weren't heart issues and if he was dying, logically, he would be in his Whitby home with his wife, not in his Ottawa residence near Parliament (when his wife works in Toronto).

Details, schmetails.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Smid on April 13, 2014, 06:21:56 pm
In other AB news: Rajotte still contemplating a PC leadership bid, but waiting on Mandel and Prentice.  (http://www.canada.com/news/politics/Alberta+James+Rajotte+takes+wait+approach+Tory+leadership/9730609/story.html) Nomination battle I really care about is Edmonton-St. Albert.

I'm a big fan of James Rajotte. If he won the leadership, I'd have to seriously consider my provincial party support.

But, as you say, the real nomination of interest is Edmonton-St Albert, and I have my fingers crossed for a good result there.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Smid on April 13, 2014, 06:25:03 pm
Good riddance to the worst specimen of human scum.

No, if he were human scum, we would've given him the Order of Canada.

Now we just need to get rid of the Member for Vancouver East.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on April 13, 2014, 07:09:50 pm
Good riddance to the worst specimen of human scum.

No, if he were human scum, we would've given him the Order of Canada.

Now we just need to get rid of the Member for Vancouver East.

What's wrong with Libby Davies? I would've thought the most hated NDPer would be Pat Martin.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on April 13, 2014, 07:44:43 pm
Good riddance to the worst specimen of human scum.

No, if he were human scum, we would've given him the Order of Canada.

Now we just need to get rid of the Member for Vancouver East.

What's wrong with Libby Davies? I would've thought the most hated NDPer would be Pat Martin.

He's certainly my most hated NDPer :P


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Smid on April 13, 2014, 08:15:03 pm
Good riddance to the worst specimen of human scum.

No, if he were human scum, we would've given him the Order of Canada.

Now we just need to get rid of the Member for Vancouver East.

What's wrong with Libby Davies? I would've thought the most hated NDPer would be Pat Martin.

I haven't had any personal interactions with her, but from what I've heard, she's very intolerant of conservatives generally - so her attitude more than anything. Plus, her stance on Israel makes her pretty much the left-wing version of Rob Anders.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 13, 2014, 08:34:00 pm
Which Tory do Dippers and Grits dislike most besides Anders?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on April 13, 2014, 09:19:02 pm
Which Tory do Dippers and Grits dislike most besides Anders?

In Quebec, most likely Maxime Bernier (before 2011, clearly Josée Verner).


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on April 13, 2014, 09:21:30 pm
Good riddance to the worst specimen of human scum.

No, if he were human scum, we would've given him the Order of Canada.

Now we just need to get rid of the Member for Vancouver East.

What's wrong with Libby Davies? I would've thought the most hated NDPer would be Pat Martin.

I haven't had any personal interactions with her, but from what I've heard, she's very intolerant of conservatives generally - so her attitude more than anything. Plus, her stance on Israel makes her pretty much the left-wing version of Rob Anders.

I think it might depend on what your big issues. Socons hate Martin for his anti-Evangelical comments. Neocons hate Davies because of her Israel view etc.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on April 13, 2014, 09:25:39 pm
Which Tory do Dippers and Grits dislike most besides Anders?

Vic Toews before he quit. Pollievre gets a fair amount of hate on my Facebook feed.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on April 13, 2014, 09:26:03 pm
Which Tory do Dippers and Grits dislike most besides Anders?

People being in these parties because of social issues usually hate very much Stephen Woolworth (the guy of the abortion motions).


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 13, 2014, 09:38:05 pm
Senate wants some important FEA changes. Wonder what will be bargained.  (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/senate-flexes-muscles-over-fair-elections-act/article17955323/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Smid on April 13, 2014, 10:46:05 pm
On the flip-side, I have heard that Joe Comartin is a genuinely nice guy.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 14, 2014, 07:15:38 am
Long Funke read on the new ridings. (http://www.punditsguide.ca/2014/04/conservative-2015-majority-at-risk-as-incumbents-flee-to-safer-ground/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on April 14, 2014, 08:33:34 am
Which Tory do Dippers and Grits dislike most besides Anders?

Vic Toews before he quit. Pollievre gets a fair amount of hate on my Facebook feed.

Cheryl Gallant is up there in my books, but it looks like she's been muzzled recently. Pierre Poilievre is man who makes my blood boil more.  He comes from a new wave of ultra right wing young Tories that scare me to death.

Good riddance to the worst specimen of human scum.

No, if he were human scum, we would've given him the Order of Canada.

Now we just need to get rid of the Member for Vancouver East.

What's wrong with Libby Davies? I would've thought the most hated NDPer would be Pat Martin.

I haven't had any personal interactions with her, but from what I've heard, she's very intolerant of conservatives generally - so her attitude more than anything. Plus, her stance on Israel makes her pretty much the left-wing version of Rob Anders.

I wouldn't go that far. Let's say for argument sake that her "anti-Israel" comments are worth the same points as something Rob Anders has spewed out of his mouth. Rob Anders has spewed far more garbage than a Tory could ever accuse Libby Davies of spewing. (This is why I thought Pat Martin would be a closer candidate, although I may be biased in thinking that not even he comes into the same category).  I think the NDP does a good job of keeping their extremists out of the limelight. Maybe if Barry Weisleder was an MP, there'd be someone similar to compare.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on April 14, 2014, 11:46:48 am
Anders may run in Calgary Rocky Ridge: http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/politics/Ousted+Anders+said+contemplating+nomination+nearby+riding/9734987/story.html :(


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 14, 2014, 11:50:51 am
NPDQ timeline begins after the federal election. (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201404/14/01-4757271-regain-dinteret-pour-un-npd-quebec.php)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 14, 2014, 03:59:41 pm
Is Wells the only one who hasn't succumbed to the bubble? (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/04/14/harpers_support_among_conservatives_approaching_free_fall_hbert.htmll)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on April 14, 2014, 04:03:43 pm
No article in English, but Scientology detox centers are violating human rights laws and wants to declare themselves bankrupt to not pay the fines.

http://www.lapresse.ca/le-nouvelliste/actualites/201404/14/01-4757560-narconon-a-viole-les-droits-humains.php (http://www.lapresse.ca/le-nouvelliste/actualites/201404/14/01-4757560-narconon-a-viole-les-droits-humains.php)

When a government will take action against that dangerous fraudulous cult?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 14, 2014, 04:45:51 pm
Hilarious: Innes has sued Trudeau for defamation. H/T Bob Fife.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 14, 2014, 05:04:22 pm
$1.5 million to be precise. (http://www.sotosllp.com/innes-statement-of-claim/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 15, 2014, 09:06:43 am
Tory MP Dave Tilson will be challenged by lawyer Paul Hong for the nomination in Dufferin-Caledon. (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/04/15/incumbent_tory_mp_tilson_to_face_challenge_for_2015_nomination.html) May the best man win.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 15, 2014, 10:52:01 am
Kinsella thinks Trudeau will lose big unless he settles.  (http://warrenkinsella.com/2014/04/trudeau-will-lose/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 15, 2014, 02:56:47 pm
Wynne is suing Hudak and MacLeod for $2 million.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 15, 2014, 08:27:18 pm
Poilievre is considering the Senate recommendations.  (https://www.hilltimes.com/news/politics/2014/04/15/senate-committees-proposed-changes-to-feds-elections-bill-look-like-a-lifeline/38204?page_requested=1)

RCMP investigation of Wright ended, no criminal charges. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nigel-wright-won-t-face-charges-over-90k-payment-to-mike-duffy-1.2610727?cmp=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 16, 2014, 01:56:31 pm
I don't usually post UPAC stuff because I don't follow it that much, but Normandeau's office was allegedly at the centre of a criminal conspiracy. (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-quebecoise/201404/16/01-4758300-le-cabinet-de-normandeau-au-coeur-dune-conspiration-criminelle-selon-lupac.php)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 16, 2014, 05:27:51 pm
Duffy could be charged within the month. (http://globalnews.ca/news/1275299/suspended-senator-mike-duffy-likely-to-be-charged-soon-source/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 17, 2014, 10:30:21 am
Senate reference decision comes down next Friday.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 17, 2014, 10:34:54 am
Ontario budget vote will be sometime between May 7 and June 2. Election would be between June 5 and July 3.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on April 17, 2014, 12:46:38 pm
Frank Coleman will be the next Premier of Newfoundland as his only opponent in the Tory leadership race has withdrawn.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 17, 2014, 12:53:07 pm
Do you still think Horwath pulls the trigger?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on April 17, 2014, 01:57:30 pm
Do you still think Horwath pulls the trigger?

I haven't heard anything different.



Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 18, 2014, 09:11:09 am
Another Ontarian tea leaf: NDP will hold 2 days of intense campaign training in TO next week.  (http://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2014/04/18/ndp_quietly_working_behind_the_scenes_for_spring_election.bb.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 21, 2014, 09:09:41 am
Thanks to Smid for reminding me about this article: only 3 '93 Reformers, including Harper, will be around after next year. (http://o.canada.com/news/national/from-rebels-to-retirees-ranks-of-original-reformers-are-rapidly-dwindling/)

Completely agree with Granatstein.  (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/why-is-canada-botching-the-great-war-centenary/article18056398/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 21, 2014, 02:15:25 pm
Report that Horwath will pull the trigger.  (http://ontarionewswatch.com/onw-news.html?id=733) FWIW Bisson says "grossly inaccurate speculation."

Herb Gray has died at 82. RIP.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on April 21, 2014, 10:25:44 pm
RIP Herb Gray. He was chancellor of my university when I graduated, so his signature appears on my degree.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 21, 2014, 10:29:19 pm
Wells reposted his column from Gray's retirement 12 years ago. (http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/the-gray-fog-rolls-out/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 22, 2014, 07:57:47 am
Angus-Reid has us up 34/29/27 among national LV (32/30/26 EV) and 43/29/27 in Ontario LV. Grits nosedived in Ontario. (http://www.angusreidglobal.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/21.04.2014-ARG-National-Voter-Intention.pdf)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on April 22, 2014, 08:28:16 am
Weird.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 22, 2014, 08:38:34 am
How so? We've been tied with them in most non-Forum polls.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on April 22, 2014, 08:47:23 am
"Tied" being a bit of a stretch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_in_the_42nd_Canadian_federal_election

Tories haven't led any polls since the Fall. Last time they were within the margin of error was February (5 point gap). Last time the Tories consistently led in polling was last Spring.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 22, 2014, 09:47:23 am
BQ on the verge of 4th in Quebec. Hilarious.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on April 22, 2014, 11:25:27 am
Good riddance to the worst specimen of human scum.

No, if he were human scum, we would've given him the Order of Canada.

Now we just need to get rid of the Member for Vancouver East.

What's wrong with Libby Davies? I would've thought the most hated NDPer would be Pat Martin.

I say we should get Harcourt to run against her.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 22, 2014, 06:02:50 pm
New skilled immigration program to supplement TFW. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/skilled-immigrants-to-be-offered-express-entry-to-canada-in-2015-1.2617961?cmp=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on April 22, 2014, 06:23:42 pm
New skilled immigration program to supplement TFW. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/skilled-immigrants-to-be-offered-express-entry-to-canada-in-2015-1.2617961?cmp=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

I hope the new program will be much more strict.
I have enough of employers searching very exactly what they want, and if they don't find it, go hire a foreign person.
Before, they hired someone not exactly fitting what they wanted and they trained it. No wonder young unemployment is so high.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on April 22, 2014, 06:39:21 pm
So what's up with that Angus Reid poll? Rogue poll or is there a shift afoot?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on April 22, 2014, 06:47:05 pm
So what's up with that Angus Reid poll? Rogue poll or is there a shift afoot?

otherwise normal poll save for a huge swing to the Tories in Ontario.  methinks a 20th poll


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 22, 2014, 07:23:13 pm
Trudeau's negatives have also skyrocketed, now at 45/44 approval. Elections aren't won with prayers and all that.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on April 22, 2014, 07:53:38 pm
Trudeau's negatives have also skyrocketed, now at 45/44 approval. Elections aren't won with prayers and all that.

Liberal minority I imagine. Tory numbers will recover a bit by election time and the NDP has a high enough floor to prevent any majorities.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on April 22, 2014, 08:04:07 pm
Trudeau's negatives have also skyrocketed, now at 45/44 approval. Elections aren't won with prayers and all that.

Liberal minority I imagine. Tory numbers will recover a bit by election time and the NDP has a high enough floor to prevent any majorities.

No, the NDP floor is much lower than you think. Maybe 15?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on April 22, 2014, 08:20:15 pm
Trudeau's negatives have also skyrocketed, now at 45/44 approval. Elections aren't won with prayers and all that.

Liberal minority I imagine. Tory numbers will recover a bit by election time and the NDP has a high enough floor to prevent any majorities.

No, the NDP floor is much lower than you think. Maybe 15?

It would require a collapse in Quebec.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on April 22, 2014, 08:43:43 pm
Trudeau's negatives have also skyrocketed, now at 45/44 approval. Elections aren't won with prayers and all that.

Liberal minority I imagine. Tory numbers will recover a bit by election time and the NDP has a high enough floor to prevent any majorities.

No, the NDP floor is much lower than you think. Maybe 15?

It would require a collapse in Quebec.

Yeah. Barring a wave or change in alignment I'd put the NDP floor around 20 or so.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on April 22, 2014, 09:58:25 pm
Why? They've only ever got more than 20% in two elections in their entire history. Of course it would require a collapse in Quebec to get lower than that again, but that's not outside the realm of possibility, considering they've only voted NDP once before.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 22, 2014, 10:09:25 pm
This is Canada. How can anyone take any of these things as a given?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on April 22, 2014, 10:32:09 pm
Once upon the time the NDP's floor was 6%. Don't see it going that low in the near future.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on April 22, 2014, 10:50:35 pm
Why? They've only ever got more than 20% in two elections in their entire history. Of course it would require a collapse in Quebec to get lower than that again, but that's not outside the realm of possibility, considering they've only voted NDP once before.

Federally, Quebec swings around once every decade. 1984 (Liberal->PC), 1993 (PC->Bloc), 2004 (Liberal->Bloc), 2011 (Bloc->NDP). NDP should be safe until early 2020s.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Smid on April 23, 2014, 03:12:58 am
So what's up with that Angus Reid poll? Rogue poll or is there a shift afoot?

otherwise normal poll save for a huge swing to the Tories in Ontario.  methinks a 20th poll

That's probably it, but could be that all the talk of a provincial election is focusing attention on that and possibly tainting the grit name?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 24, 2014, 07:23:38 am
More Prentice PC buzz, believe when seen.  (http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/politics/Will+Push+Prentice+enter+race+ramps/9768894/story.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 24, 2014, 01:02:21 pm
Robocall investigation is closed.  (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/04/24/elections-commissioner-halting-robocalls-probe/#.U1lRU41OWP9)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on April 24, 2014, 01:06:41 pm
Robocall investigation is closed.  (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/04/24/elections-commissioner-halting-robocalls-probe/#.U1lRU41OWP9)

Disgusting. Again, the Conservative Party used their power to protect themselves.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 24, 2014, 01:35:53 pm
In other news, Poilievre will support some Senate FEA amendments, so looks like it'll still pass on time.  (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pierre-poilievre-says-amendments-coming-to-elections-bill-1.2620474)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 24, 2014, 09:18:38 pm
Ipsos national has 33/33/24. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/conservatives-liberals-tied-for-national-vote-poll-says/article18202354/) Only 23% following FEA debate closely, in line with Angus-Reid & Political Traction.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on April 24, 2014, 10:44:48 pm
"Only" 23?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 24, 2014, 10:52:37 pm
Or to put it another way, 77% aren't following closely. :P


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 24, 2014, 10:59:51 pm
Some more FEA numbers: 87% think ID should be presented to vote, 70% support eliminating vouching, 52% don't care if it makes voting difficult for some. All # from CTV's Richard Madan.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on April 24, 2014, 11:40:46 pm
It's interesting that after all the criticisms from the experts and the media, Canadians still support the measures. I suppose the people who are following it closely are more likely to be against it.

I once vouched for my roommate, even though I knew he was going to vote Tory. That's how much I support the right to vote.

Also, the fact that 52% of Canadians don't care if voting is difficult disgusts me.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 25, 2014, 08:49:08 am
Supremes rule as expected on the Senate: 7/50 for elections and term limits, unanimity for abolition, feds can abolish QC property requirement without consulting Assnat.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on April 25, 2014, 12:11:04 pm
It's interesting that after all the criticisms from the experts and the media, Canadians still support the measures. I suppose the people who are following it closely are more likely to be against it.

I once vouched for my roommate, even though I knew he was going to vote Tory. That's how much I support the right to vote.

Also, the fact that 52% of Canadians don't care if voting is difficult disgusts me.

I think it's just more that 52% of Canadians are sufficiently comfortable and have long been sufficiently comfortable to simply not be able to grasp how difficult this can be for some people's circumstances. It's so very far outside your typical middle class Canadian's life experience to not be able to prove your identity that they simply don't get it


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 25, 2014, 12:21:24 pm
A fair few FEA amendments. (http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/04/25/pierre-poilievre-unveils-changes-to-fair-elections-act-after-weeks-of-damaging-criticism/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on April 25, 2014, 04:04:48 pm
The Nova Scotia Barrister's Society will not accredit Trinity Western (http://www.ottawacitizen.com/life/Nova+Scotia+society+rule+school+that+prohibits+intimacy/9773552/story.html)'s law school unless they drop their same sex marriage covenant... because tolerance.

Test Act here we come :P


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on April 25, 2014, 06:12:15 pm
The Nova Scotia Barrister's Society will not accredit Trinity Western (http://www.ottawacitizen.com/life/Nova+Scotia+society+rule+school+that+prohibits+intimacy/9773552/story.html)'s law school unless they drop their same sex marriage covenant... because tolerance.

Test Act here we come :P

Good decision. Schools aren't allowed to dictate how students must act out of school.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on April 25, 2014, 06:27:14 pm
It's interesting that after all the criticisms from the experts and the media, Canadians still support the measures. I suppose the people who are following it closely are more likely to be against it.

I once vouched for my roommate, even though I knew he was going to vote Tory. That's how much I support the right to vote.

Also, the fact that 52% of Canadians don't care if voting is difficult disgusts me.

I think it's just more that 52% of Canadians are sufficiently comfortable and have long been sufficiently comfortable to simply not be able to grasp how difficult this can be for some people's circumstances. It's so very far outside your typical middle class Canadian's life experience to not be able to prove your identity that they simply don't get it

Yes, most middle class voters have driver's licenses. I have an expired one (I have no need or desire to drive anymore) and was lucky enough to be able to use it last summer as ID in a by-election (they didn't check whether it was valid, and I'm not sure if it even matters, as it still has a photo of me).  My partner even used her British passport! We also used some bills to prove where we lived.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: True Federalist on April 25, 2014, 06:28:59 pm
The Nova Scotia Barrister's Society will not accredit Trinity Western (http://www.ottawacitizen.com/life/Nova+Scotia+society+rule+school+that+prohibits+intimacy/9773552/story.html)'s law school unless they drop their same sex marriage covenant... because tolerance.

Test Act here we come :P

Good decision. Schools aren't allowed to dictate how students must act out of school.

Bad decision. It's not as if those students couldn't go elsewhere if they don't like the restriction, and I utterly fail to see how it prevents Trinity Western's students from being good lawyers.  The idea that we have to force people to be universally tolerant is one of the more intolerant ideas I have come across.  Now if one could actually show how TW's policy negatively impacts its students, I'd be supportive of the action against the school, but so far no one has.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on April 25, 2014, 06:40:11 pm
It's interesting that after all the criticisms from the experts and the media, Canadians still support the measures. I suppose the people who are following it closely are more likely to be against it.

I once vouched for my roommate, even though I knew he was going to vote Tory. That's how much I support the right to vote.

Also, the fact that 52% of Canadians don't care if voting is difficult disgusts me.

I think it's just more that 52% of Canadians are sufficiently comfortable and have long been sufficiently comfortable to simply not be able to grasp how difficult this can be for some people's circumstances. It's so very far outside your typical middle class Canadian's life experience to not be able to prove your identity that they simply don't get it

Yes, most middle class voters have driver's licenses. I have an expired one (I have no need or desire to drive anymore) and was lucky enough to be able to use it last summer as ID in a by-election (they didn't check whether it was valid, and I'm not sure if it even matters, as it still has a photo of me).  My partner even used her British passport! We also used some bills to prove where we lived.

In Quebec, for voting, it's clearly written in training documentation than an expired driving licence is perfectly valid.  Same thing for an expired Health card or an expired passport.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on April 25, 2014, 06:42:06 pm
The Nova Scotia Barrister's Society will not accredit Trinity Western (http://www.ottawacitizen.com/life/Nova+Scotia+society+rule+school+that+prohibits+intimacy/9773552/story.html)'s law school unless they drop their same sex marriage covenant... because tolerance.

Test Act here we come :P

Good decision. Schools aren't allowed to dictate how students must act out of school.

Bad decision. It's not as if those students couldn't go elsewhere if they don't like the restriction, and I utterly fail to see how it prevents Trinity Western's students from being good lawyers.  The idea that we have to force people to be universally tolerant is one of the more intolerant ideas I have come across.  Now if one could actually show how TW's policy negatively impacts its students, I'd be supportive of the action against the school, but so far no one has.

In my mind, that's a violation of the Charter provision on forbidding discrimination. I doubt than Trinity Western will properly teach those notions, as it's going against their agenda.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: True Federalist on April 25, 2014, 07:23:25 pm
The Nova Scotia Barrister's Society will not accredit Trinity Western (http://www.ottawacitizen.com/life/Nova+Scotia+society+rule+school+that+prohibits+intimacy/9773552/story.html)'s law school unless they drop their same sex marriage covenant... because tolerance.

Test Act here we come :P

Good decision. Schools aren't allowed to dictate how students must act out of school.

Bad decision. It's not as if those students couldn't go elsewhere if they don't like the restriction, and I utterly fail to see how it prevents Trinity Western's students from being good lawyers.  The idea that we have to force people to be universally tolerant is one of the more intolerant ideas I have come across.  Now if one could actually show how TW's policy negatively impacts its students, I'd be supportive of the action against the school, but so far no one has.

In my mind, that's a violation of the Charter provision on forbidding discrimination. I doubt than Trinity Western will properly teach those notions, as it's going against their agenda.

You doubt, but have no evidence that's the case.  Sorry, but imposing sanctions because of a hunch doesn't seem very just to me.  Any evidence that TW's students have been bad in other professions such as education as a result of that policy you object to? (Their law school has yet to open as I understand it, so obviously there's no evidence for this specific program.)

Granted, I have a firmer idea of how things work under the U.S. Constitution than under the Canadian Charter, but I fail to see how things would have changed since 2001 when the Canadian Supreme Court slapped down the British Columbia College of Teachers for trying the same thing with teacher accreditation for education students at TW.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on April 25, 2014, 07:27:16 pm
It's interesting that after all the criticisms from the experts and the media, Canadians still support the measures. I suppose the people who are following it closely are more likely to be against it.

I once vouched for my roommate, even though I knew he was going to vote Tory. That's how much I support the right to vote.

Also, the fact that 52% of Canadians don't care if voting is difficult disgusts me.

I think it's just more that 52% of Canadians are sufficiently comfortable and have long been sufficiently comfortable to simply not be able to grasp how difficult this can be for some people's circumstances. It's so very far outside your typical middle class Canadian's life experience to not be able to prove your identity that they simply don't get it

Yes, most middle class voters have driver's licenses. I have an expired one (I have no need or desire to drive anymore) and was lucky enough to be able to use it last summer as ID in a by-election (they didn't check whether it was valid, and I'm not sure if it even matters, as it still has a photo of me).  My partner even used her British passport! We also used some bills to prove where we lived.

In Quebec, for voting, it's clearly written in training documentation than an expired driving licence is perfectly valid.  Same thing for an expired Health card or an expired passport.

Might be here as well. The Ontario Elections website was vague on the matter, and I was scared to ask.  I also have an expired passport, but it's 10 years old, which was from before I could even vote. (My divers license photo isn't much newer though).


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 26, 2014, 04:35:39 pm
Crosstabs from the Ipsos Ontario poll: big Tory gains in SW major story. (http://ipsos-na.com/news-polls/pressrelease.aspx?id=6479)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 27, 2014, 08:16:25 am
Quick question, but why do Canadian party leaders risk running in marginal seats when leaders in other Westminster systems generally come from ultra safe seats?

I'm thinking of the likes of Marois, Clark, Iggy and even Couillard running in a PQ seat.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 27, 2014, 08:28:42 am
Iggy's seat was not marginal in 2006. Clark inherited her predecessor's seat, Marois is from Quebec City, Couillard wanted to run where he lives. All the federal leaders are fine.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on April 27, 2014, 10:48:43 am
Quick question, but why do Canadian party leaders risk running in marginal seats when leaders in other Westminster systems generally come from ultra safe seats?

I'm thinking of the likes of Marois, Clark, Iggy and even Couillard running in a PQ seat.

To boot:
  • Marois won by 13 points in 2012 in Charlevoix–Côte-de-Beaupré.  Likely some animus against her that lead to her losing in 2014.
  • Previous BC Premier Gordon Campbell had always won Vancouver-Point Grey by comfortable, if not quite 'safe' margins, but Christy Clark was much less rhetorically suited to the sort of voters found in the riding and 2013 was actually the first time since 1991 that the Liberals didn't win Vancouver overall.  She had no seat when she was elected BC Liberal Leader
  • Michael Ignatieff won by ten points in 2008, and it was widely regarded as a safe seat when he got into politics.
  • Derryl Dexter in Nova Scotia had won by solid landslides in Cole Harbour prior to being tossed in 2013


It mostly seems that Canadian voters are fluid enough that safe seats simply don't remain safe for all that long.  Even out West, in landslide Tory Country, a whole crop of Tories were wiped out in 1993 by the Reform Party. 

I suppose it's notable that both Justin Trudeau and Thomas Mulcair run in seats that were recently occupied by other parties, and if either of them were to become unpopular, I suspect they too might lose their seats.  It's actually somewhat ironic, as I believe NDPer Mulcair's seat Outremont is the more tony of the two, while Trudeau's Papineau is among the poorest in Canada.

There does seem to a notion of taking the 'forward capital' approach though, where a leader gambles on the leader-effect to try to raise the fortunes of their party in an area where they are weak, such as Couillard in Roberval, or John Turner running in Vancouver Quadra in 1984, or Jean Chretien in St. Maurice, seats which it is likely might not have been won otherwise



Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on April 27, 2014, 12:14:31 pm
Darryl Dexter in Nova Scotia had won by solid landslides in Cole Harbour prior to being tossed in 2013

Dexter got screwed by redistribution as well. A wealthy neighbourhood got tacked onto his working class seat. The seat is still lean NDP, but it isn't safe enough to protect from waves like his old one would have.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on April 27, 2014, 06:36:40 pm
Let's not forget the classic example of John Tory running in a super safe seat in a by-election, and losing the race.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on April 28, 2014, 04:25:33 pm
In Montreal, Independent and bigoted city councillor for Loyola district (Côte-des-Neiges-Notre-Dame-de-Grâce) Jeremy Searle was almost kicked out of council.

Two weeks ago, during the borough council meeting, he said than independentists were like insects needing to be exterminated.

Today, at the city council, he asked a question to the mayor and the mayor answered than he wanted an answer about that. Searle said than it had no link with the question and than the mayor had a head problem. That caused the Speaker anger and Project Montreal wanted to expell him from the council.

http://www.cjad.com/cjad-news/2014/04/28/separatists-as-insects-searle-makes-things-worse-for-himself (http://www.cjad.com/cjad-news/2014/04/28/separatists-as-insects-searle-makes-things-worse-for-himself)

EDIT: We can also had than he was elected in a wierd 5-way race. 23-21-17-17-17 (Independent-Projet Montréal-Team Denis Coderre-Mélanie Joly Group-Coalition Montreal)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on April 28, 2014, 08:53:59 pm
I thought NDG was a bunch of yuppies. How'd he even get a quarter of the vote?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on April 28, 2014, 09:27:24 pm
I thought NDG was a bunch of yuppies. How'd he even get a quarter of the vote?

I posted about him in the 2013 election thread, noting he had a tendency to say wierd things and than he was born in Bristol, UK.

He is also there since decades. Reputation built in part on painting white circles around potholes in 1998 to force the city to repair them quicker.

Defeated in 1990 for the Democratic Coalition for Loyola ward. Elected in 1994 for Montrealers Party for Loyola ward, elected as an independent in 1998, reeelected as Union Montreal in 2001. Defeated when he ran for borough mayorship in 2005 (for Team Jeremy Searle). Tried coming back in 2009 in his ward, as an independent, lost, but won back in 2013.

Article about him from 2009 (in English): http://www.lesactualites.ca/01_anciensite/?site=CDN&section=page&1=C090826&2=C090826_JeremySearle (http://www.lesactualites.ca/01_anciensite/?site=CDN&section=page&1=C090826&2=C090826_JeremySearle)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on April 28, 2014, 11:12:02 pm
Looks like Prentice is actually running for PC leader.  Go figure. (http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/politics/Exclusive+Prentice+leadership+crown+source/9784478/story.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 29, 2014, 06:36:02 am
Hah: PKP only boosts the PQ by 2 in a hypothetical ballot test, same as Hivon. Duceppe boosts them by 4. (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-quebecoise/201404/28/01-4761761-sondage-duceppe-rapprocherait-le-pq-dune-victoire.php)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on April 29, 2014, 08:08:17 am
Looks like Prentice is actually running for PC leader.  Go figure. (http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/politics/Exclusive+Prentice+leadership+crown+source/9784478/story.html)

Only way to stop Wild Rose is to elect Red Tories like Prentice. Worked with Redford. It scares any centrist voters away from voting Liberal or NDP.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 29, 2014, 09:07:11 am
Dippers have a 38/24 lead among Francophone voters, 33/32/20/12 in QC generally. (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201404/29/01-4761810-letoile-de-justin-trudeau-palit-au-quebec.php)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on April 29, 2014, 12:22:02 pm
Breaking: Brian Mason will be stepping down as Alberta NDP leader in October.  In other words: two autumn leadership races in Alberta!


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on April 29, 2014, 02:30:22 pm
Dippers have a 38/24 lead among Francophone voters, 33/32/20/12 in QC generally. (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201404/29/01-4761810-letoile-de-justin-trudeau-palit-au-quebec.php)

Despite a 1% lead for NDP, it would be a large lead in seats for them. Bloc might hope to gain a few seat because of NDP/Liberal division, Conservatives are obviously not going well.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 29, 2014, 02:42:13 pm
Imagine the reaction if Grits are stuck in third next year. ;D On a related note, do the exit surveys ever cover ROC Francophones?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 30, 2014, 11:32:40 am
New AB poll: Wildrose 50, Progs 21.  (http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/politics/Wildrose+cashing+Tory+woes+poll+shows/9790775/story.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on April 30, 2014, 12:02:59 pm
New AB poll: Wildrose 50, Progs 21.  (http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/politics/Wildrose+cashing+Tory+woes+poll+shows/9790775/story.html)

Wow. And the Liberals are in fourth!


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on April 30, 2014, 01:43:54 pm
New AB poll: Wildrose 50, Progs 21.  (http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/politics/Wildrose+cashing+Tory+woes+poll+shows/9790775/story.html)

Wow. And the Liberals are in fourth!

Nothing surprising, in the aftermath of Redford resignation. It will tighten later, through.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on April 30, 2014, 02:19:46 pm
New AB poll: Wildrose 50, Progs 21.  (http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/politics/Wildrose+cashing+Tory+woes+poll+shows/9790775/story.html)

Wow. And the Liberals are in fourth!

Nothing surprising, in the aftermath of Redford resignation. It will tighten later, through.

The Liberals in 4th is surprising. You'd think they'd be challenging the Tories for 2nd considering.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on April 30, 2014, 02:22:27 pm
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Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on April 30, 2014, 02:24:02 pm
New AB poll: Wildrose 50, Progs 21.  (http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/politics/Wildrose+cashing+Tory+woes+poll+shows/9790775/story.html)

Wow. And the Liberals are in fourth!

Nothing surprising, in the aftermath of Redford resignation. It will tighten later, through.

The Liberals in 4th is surprising. You'd think they'd be challenging the Tories for 2nd considering.


I would expect a lot of Red-PCs to 'go home' as a it were, but I never did like Raj Sherman all that much


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on April 30, 2014, 02:45:37 pm
lol


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on April 30, 2014, 05:58:18 pm
I thought NDG was a bunch of yuppies. How'd he even get a quarter of the vote?

I posted about him in the 2013 election thread, noting he had a tendency to say wierd things and than he was born in Bristol, UK.

He is also there since decades. Reputation built in part on painting white circles around potholes in 1998 to force the city to repair them quicker.

Defeated in 1990 for the Democratic Coalition for Loyola ward. Elected in 1994 for Montrealers Party for Loyola ward, elected as an independent in 1998, reeelected as Union Montreal in 2001. Defeated when he ran for borough mayorship in 2005 (for Team Jeremy Searle). Tried coming back in 2009 in his ward, as an independent, lost, but won back in 2013.

Article about him from 2009 (in English): http://www.lesactualites.ca/01_anciensite/?site=CDN&section=page&1=C090826&2=C090826_JeremySearle (http://www.lesactualites.ca/01_anciensite/?site=CDN&section=page&1=C090826&2=C090826_JeremySearle)

He denied than the issue was his alcoholism and than the odor of alcohol during the council was from drunk journalists.

He said than he had an issue with alcohol, like he has an issue with his age (he thinks he is 2 times too old).
He also said than people not drinking alcohol during supper are losers.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/montreal/201404/30/01-4762414-probleme-dalcool-le-conseiller-searle-se-defend-et-en-rajoute.php (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/montreal/201404/30/01-4762414-probleme-dalcool-le-conseiller-searle-se-defend-et-en-rajoute.php)

That guy is dangerous.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on April 30, 2014, 06:15:34 pm
Resize the image please.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on April 30, 2014, 06:33:35 pm
Resize the image please.

sorry, didn't realize it was quite so gigantic


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 30, 2014, 09:00:55 pm
Q1 fundraising # are out. Tories $4.5 million, Grits 3.8, Dippers 2.5. (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=844039655610683)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on May 01, 2014, 07:16:40 am
New AB poll: Wildrose 50, Progs 21.  (http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/politics/Wildrose+cashing+Tory+woes+poll+shows/9790775/story.html)

Wow. And the Liberals are in fourth!

Nothing surprising, in the aftermath of Redford resignation. It will tighten later, through.

Indeed. I'm curious how much of a bump Prentice will give them.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 01, 2014, 08:24:00 am
Tensions are rising between the government and Supreme Court, but little anyone can do since the Constitution's the ultimate source. (http://ww2.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/2014/05/01/tories-incensed-with-supreme-court-as-some-allege-chief-justice-lobbied-against-marc-nadon-appointment)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: NewYorkExpress on May 01, 2014, 11:03:21 am
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/rob-ford-takes-leave-as-new-drug-video-emerges/article18354671/ (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/rob-ford-takes-leave-as-new-drug-video-emerges/article18354671/)

And we now have another Rob Ford video, which was shot in sisters basement, and involves the Toronto mayor taking a drag from a copper colored pipe.

Ford is now taking a "leave of absence"

God help Toronto and God help Canada if he is re-elected


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on May 01, 2014, 02:55:55 pm
New AB poll: Wildrose 50, Progs 21.  (http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/politics/Wildrose+cashing+Tory+woes+poll+shows/9790775/story.html)

Wow. And the Liberals are in fourth!

Nothing surprising, in the aftermath of Redford resignation. It will tighten later, through.

Indeed. I'm curious how much of a bump Prentice will give them.

A big one, if we're lucky.  One thing to note from that poll is that a quarter of the sample was undecided, and if this is anything like polls we saw leading up to the 2012 election (including from around the time that Stelmach stepped down), a large amount of those undecideds are past PC voters who are at this point unsure about whether they'll come home.  From that perspective, a big bump from Prentice could certainly make a comeback possible.  The WRP is definitely ahead at the moment, and there's absolutely no denying that.  However, PC fundraising numbers are still strong, and assuming that this poll is right, the WRP is still within the margin or error of their 2012 result (when you factor in all respondents).

Here's the poll document, for anyone who's interested. (http://www.insightswest.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Politics_AB_All.pdf)  Total sample results were 38% WRP, 25% undecided, 16% PC, 12% NDP, 8% Liberal, 1% other


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on May 01, 2014, 03:34:20 pm
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/rob-ford-takes-leave-as-new-drug-video-emerges/article18354671/ (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/rob-ford-takes-leave-as-new-drug-video-emerges/article18354671/)

And we now have another Rob Ford video, which was shot in sisters basement, and involves the Toronto mayor taking a drag from a copper colored pipe.

Ford is now taking a "leave of absence"

God help Toronto and God help Canada if he is re-elected

We've already discussed this in the Ontario municipal elections thread :)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Smid on May 01, 2014, 04:55:07 pm
As Njall notes, the issue in that poll is undecided voters, which will almost certainly (but not definitely) break for the progressives. This would no doubt be attributed to a bump from the new leader, but realistically, the new leader probably won't have contributed much to that, unless it's someone like Rajotte, or if Morton ran again (and won this time). Red Tories are not the ones deserting the party and therefore not the reason Wildrose is once more leading in the polls, so changing one red leader for another will likely have negligible impact on poll support.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 01, 2014, 05:07:50 pm
Yes, Trudeau's honeymoon is over. (http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/05/01/michael-den-tandt-justin-trudeau-must-conquer-the-blurt-factor-if-he-hopes-to-lead-the-country/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on May 01, 2014, 07:02:29 pm
Yes, Trudeau's honeymoon is over. (http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/05/01/michael-den-tandt-justin-trudeau-must-conquer-the-blurt-factor-if-he-hopes-to-lead-the-country/)

Of course the 'honeymoon's' over. It's been over for a while now.  Honeymoons don't last a year. After a while, it just becomes a 'lead' 


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 01, 2014, 07:13:24 pm
A pretty typical Den Tandt column on JT overall.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on May 02, 2014, 07:33:45 am
So I was playing as the Tories in the 1993 PM4E scenario and managed to scrape together a Tory minority with 88 seats :P


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on May 02, 2014, 10:27:46 am
New CROP poll (http://static.lpcdn.ca/fichiers/html/1867/14-8256_-_politique_quebec_et_canada_avril_2014_.pdf)

PLQ: 40% (-2)
CAQ: 23% (nc)
PQ: 22% (-3)
QS: 11% (+4)
ON: 1 (nc)
Other: 2 (+1)

NDP: 33 (+2)
Liberal: 32 (-1)
Bloc: 20 (+1)
Conservative: 12 (-1)
Green: 4 (-2)

As expected, QS is benefiting from the PQ's declined. I'm a bit surprised at PLQ as they don't appear to be having a honeymoon.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on May 02, 2014, 11:05:48 am
Well they did just get whacked with a new set of corruption scandals.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 02, 2014, 02:07:23 pm
Atleo's resigned as AFN chief, saying he didn't want to be a lightning rod on education issues.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 02, 2014, 05:18:48 pm
More on Harper-McLachlin. Buried lede: apparently use of the notwithstanding clause is  being "not seriously" discussed. (http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/05/02/john-ivison-harpers-attack-on-the-chief-justice-qualifies-as-yet-another-blindside-hit/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on May 05, 2014, 07:39:06 pm
The slider thing at the top of the election atlas website has spots for 1979-2011, but only has maps for 1988-2011. Weird. Hopefully we get maps soon :D


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on May 05, 2014, 07:50:53 pm
The slider thing at the top of the election atlas website has spots for 1979-2011, but only has maps for 1988-2011. Weird. Hopefully we get maps soon :D

No, there's maps there now! :D


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on May 05, 2014, 07:58:50 pm
The slider thing at the top of the election atlas website has spots for 1979-2011, but only has maps for 1988-2011. Weird. Hopefully we get maps soon :D

No, there's maps there now! :D

No, there isn't. It's the just the scale which is broken. 1988 is 1979, 1993 is between 1980 and 1984, etc...


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 05, 2014, 08:07:43 pm
Tory Sen. (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/05/05/don-meredith-masters-degree-credentials_n_5244391.html) Don Meredith has  (http://www.yorkregion.com/news-story/4501805-tory-senator-don-meredith-s-troubles-pile-up-1-800-number-leads-to-sex-chat-line/)a few issues.

Agreed w/Ivison. I mean really, screwing BTB just because Industry is feeling miserly... (http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/05/05/canada-will-do-whatever-it-takes-to-ensure-security-of-u-s-as-long-as-it-doesnt-cost-too-much/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on May 05, 2014, 08:09:20 pm
The slider thing at the top of the election atlas website has spots for 1979-2011, but only has maps for 1988-2011. Weird. Hopefully we get maps soon :D

No, there's maps there now! :D

No, there isn't. It's the just the scale which is broken. 1988 is 1979, 1993 is between 1980 and 1984, etc...

Works for me, he does have maps for 1979-1984 now :)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 05, 2014, 08:13:05 pm
ROFLMAO: PKP now claims to oppose public broadcasting cuts.  (http://blogues.journaldemontreal.com/votreopinion/opinions/coupes-a-radio-canada-linformation-nest-pas-une-simple-marchandise/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on May 05, 2014, 08:54:36 pm
The slider thing at the top of the election atlas website has spots for 1979-2011, but only has maps for 1988-2011. Weird. Hopefully we get maps soon :D

No, there's maps there now! :D

No, there isn't. It's the just the scale which is broken. 1988 is 1979, 1993 is between 1980 and 1984, etc...

Works for me, he does have maps for 1979-1984 now :)

Indeed. Sadly, I would have prefered not seeing my riding voting Social Credit in 1979.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on May 05, 2014, 08:58:58 pm
The slider thing at the top of the election atlas website has spots for 1979-2011, but only has maps for 1988-2011. Weird. Hopefully we get maps soon :D

No, there's maps there now! :D

No, there isn't. It's the just the scale which is broken. 1988 is 1979, 1993 is between 1980 and 1984, etc...

I thought Reform was winning a lot of seats for the early 80's...


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on May 05, 2014, 09:00:55 pm
The slider thing at the top of the election atlas website has spots for 1979-2011, but only has maps for 1988-2011. Weird. Hopefully we get maps soon :D

No, there's maps there now! :D

No, there isn't. It's the just the scale which is broken. 1988 is 1979, 1993 is between 1980 and 1984, etc...

I thought Reform was winning a lot of seats for the early 80's...

Well, it's fixed now but, as me, you'll probably have to clear the cache (press the refresh button while holding the Ctrl key under Firefox).


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 05, 2014, 09:03:02 pm
Unfortunately my riding has voted Grit since time immemorial, 3 terms of Bill Hamilton aside.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on May 05, 2014, 09:17:30 pm
Unfortunately my riding has voted Grit since time immemorial, 3 terms of Bill Hamilton aside.

NDG? It's NDP now, right?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 05, 2014, 09:22:12 pm
Yeah, wonder if it stays that way next year. Though I was never a Jennings fan...


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on May 05, 2014, 10:56:20 pm
I thought NDG was a bunch of yuppies. How'd he even get a quarter of the vote?

I posted about him in the 2013 election thread, noting he had a tendency to say wierd things and than he was born in Bristol, UK.

He is also there since decades. Reputation built in part on painting white circles around potholes in 1998 to force the city to repair them quicker.

Defeated in 1990 for the Democratic Coalition for Loyola ward. Elected in 1994 for Montrealers Party for Loyola ward, elected as an independent in 1998, reeelected as Union Montreal in 2001. Defeated when he ran for borough mayorship in 2005 (for Team Jeremy Searle). Tried coming back in 2009 in his ward, as an independent, lost, but won back in 2013.

Article about him from 2009 (in English): http://www.lesactualites.ca/01_anciensite/?site=CDN&section=page&1=C090826&2=C090826_JeremySearle (http://www.lesactualites.ca/01_anciensite/?site=CDN&section=page&1=C090826&2=C090826_JeremySearle)

He denied than the issue was his alcoholism and than the odor of alcohol during the council was from drunk journalists.

He said than he had an issue with alcohol, like he has an issue with his age (he thinks he is 2 times too old).
He also said than people not drinking alcohol during supper are losers.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/montreal/201404/30/01-4762414-probleme-dalcool-le-conseiller-searle-se-defend-et-en-rajoute.php (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/montreal/201404/30/01-4762414-probleme-dalcool-le-conseiller-searle-se-defend-et-en-rajoute.php)

That guy is dangerous.

At the borough council meeting, he refused to resign and called Richard Bergeron, leader of Projet Montréal, "a promoter of terrorists".


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on May 05, 2014, 11:07:30 pm
Classy


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on May 06, 2014, 10:26:19 am
Well... Bergeron is a published 9/11 truther...


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on May 06, 2014, 12:08:05 pm
My fiance just asked me why the Greens were so popular in Quebec in 1979 :D


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on May 06, 2014, 03:01:59 pm
Farcical Forum Poll has LPC at 45% in BC.  http://www.forumresearch.com/forms/News%20Archives/News%20Releases/30116_Fed_Horserace_News_Release_%282014.04.30%29_Forum_Research.pdf

Such numbers would project in Federal Liberals places like Kelowna and Vancouver East...


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on May 06, 2014, 04:34:37 pm
Some of the BC ridings from 1979 seem both familiar and strange, like Cariboo-Chilcotin stretching all the way down to Howe Sound past Squamish.   My first thought was that it sort of made sense, since the Sea-to-Sky highway wasn't built until the 1960s, and there was only ferry and rail access to Squamish, but then I remembered that Cayoosh Pass, the route north of that region, wasn't motorable until the 1970s. The only other way not-by-rail in or out of that region is by some shifting logging roads may not have existed in those days.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on May 06, 2014, 07:51:36 pm
Some of the BC ridings from 1979 seem both familiar and strange, like Cariboo-Chilcotin stretching all the way down to Howe Sound past Squamish.   My first thought was that it sort of made sense, since the Sea-to-Sky highway wasn't built until the 1960s, and there was only ferry and rail access to Squamish, but then I remembered that Cayoosh Pass, the route north of that region, wasn't motorable until the 1970s. The only other way not-by-rail in or out of that region is by some shifting logging roads may not have existed in those days.

I'm amazed how few ridings suburban Toronto had. Brampton isn't even worth an entire riding, only two for Mississauga and only one riding for the whole of Vaughan, Markham etc.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Linus Van Pelt on May 06, 2014, 07:55:51 pm
The slider thing at the top of the election atlas website has spots for 1979-2011, but only has maps for 1988-2011. Weird. Hopefully we get maps soon :D

No, there's maps there now! :D

No, there isn't. It's the just the scale which is broken. 1988 is 1979, 1993 is between 1980 and 1984, etc...

I think this may be a browser issue. It works for me in Safari.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on May 06, 2014, 08:11:02 pm
The slider thing at the top of the election atlas website has spots for 1979-2011, but only has maps for 1988-2011. Weird. Hopefully we get maps soon :D

No, there's maps there now! :D

No, there isn't. It's the just the scale which is broken. 1988 is 1979, 1993 is between 1980 and 1984, etc...

I think this may be a browser issue. It works for me in Safari.

It's worked after I cleared the cache.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on May 06, 2014, 08:12:55 pm
Some of the BC ridings from 1979 seem both familiar and strange, like Cariboo-Chilcotin stretching all the way down to Howe Sound past Squamish.   My first thought was that it sort of made sense, since the Sea-to-Sky highway wasn't built until the 1960s, and there was only ferry and rail access to Squamish, but then I remembered that Cayoosh Pass, the route north of that region, wasn't motorable until the 1970s. The only other way not-by-rail in or out of that region is by some shifting logging roads may not have existed in those days.

I'm amazed how few ridings suburban Toronto had. Brampton isn't even worth an entire riding, only two for Mississauga and only one riding for the whole of Vaughan, Markham etc.

Look at the results in some of those ridings too. Some ridings had 100000+ voters.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on May 06, 2014, 08:21:44 pm
Some of the BC ridings from 1979 seem both familiar and strange, like Cariboo-Chilcotin stretching all the way down to Howe Sound past Squamish.   My first thought was that it sort of made sense, since the Sea-to-Sky highway wasn't built until the 1960s, and there was only ferry and rail access to Squamish, but then I remembered that Cayoosh Pass, the route north of that region, wasn't motorable until the 1970s. The only other way not-by-rail in or out of that region is by some shifting logging roads may not have existed in those days.

I'm amazed how few ridings suburban Toronto had. Brampton isn't even worth an entire riding, only two for Mississauga and only one riding for the whole of Vaughan, Markham etc.

Look at the results in some of those ridings too. Some ridings had 100000+ voters.

Montreal is the same. Montreal northern exurbs are 2 ridings (and parts of 3 rural ridings), Montreal southern exurbs are 4 ridings, Laval is 3 (right now, it's 5.5, 6 and 3.5 and will be
7, 7, 4 in 2015)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on May 06, 2014, 08:27:23 pm
I think the 1993 result in York North must be the record. Bevilacqua won 71,500 votes in his own right.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on May 06, 2014, 09:54:46 pm
Alberta Infrastructure Minister Ric McIver will step down from cabinet in order to run for PC leader. (http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/politics/Former+alderman+McIver+poised+enter+leadership+race/9812649/story.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on May 07, 2014, 01:40:28 am
I think the 1993 result in York North must be the record. Bevilacqua won 71,500 votes in his own right.

Oh the perpetually under-represented suburbs. In BC they used to be allowed to make allowance for expected population growth, but they could never do it honestly, so you ended up with places like Atlin where members  were elected the basis of less than 3000 votes into the 1980s


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on May 07, 2014, 07:02:09 am
That's what they did in this recent redistribution. Many suburban ridings in BC and Ontario will begin their lives underpopulated.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 07, 2014, 11:39:40 am
RIP Farley Mowat.  (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/acclaimed-canadian-author-farley-mowat-dead-at-92/article18511064/#dashboard/follows/)Died today at 92, didn't know he was sill alive.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 07, 2014, 01:11:55 pm
Headline from 1990. (http://www.ipolitics.ca/2014/05/07/future-liberal-candidates-must-be-pro-choice-trudeau/) Trudeau says all Grit candidates must be pro-choice.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on May 07, 2014, 01:48:14 pm
RIP Farley Mowat.  (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/acclaimed-canadian-author-farley-mowat-dead-at-92/article18511064/#dashboard/follows/)Died today at 92, didn't know he was sill alive.

:(

Headline from 1990. (http://www.ipolitics.ca/2014/05/07/future-liberal-candidates-must-be-pro-choice-trudeau/) Trudeau says all Grit candidates must be pro-choice.

Were Liberals all supposed to be pro choice in 1990? How'd that work out for them :P


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on May 07, 2014, 01:49:47 pm
Headline from 1990. (http://www.ipolitics.ca/2014/05/07/future-liberal-candidates-must-be-pro-choice-trudeau/) Trudeau says all Grit candidates must be pro-choice.

Guess Szabo & McTeague aren't running again.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 07, 2014, 01:53:32 pm
Earl: Was referring to the expanded veto.

DC: Guess not, but I'd also guess he wants to limit the number of retreads.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 07, 2014, 01:57:14 pm
Hmm... per Rosie Barton McKay wishes his party was more pluralistic.  (https://twitter.com/RosieBarton/status/464116500077740032)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 07, 2014, 02:05:33 pm
100% agreed w/Newman. (http://knlive.ctvnews.ca/honour-veterans-help-them-find-jobs-1.1808995#ixzz30yWHBdHA)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 07, 2014, 04:31:05 pm
La Presse reported on Ville-Marie hocus-pocus 2 months ago (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201403/13/01-4747483-des-militants-mecontents-des-nominations-liberales-federales.php), now Maclean's has details. (http://www.macleans.ca/politics/questions-raised-about-votes-in-marc-millers-liberal-nomination/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 08, 2014, 08:08:50 am
Feds trying to offload responsibility for aboriginal policing. Bad idea IMO. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-wants-first-nations-to-police-reserves/article18548114/)

PMO suggested Nadon resign and join the QC bar. (http://globalnews.ca/news/1317185/pmo-suggested-justice-marc-nadon-resign-join-quebec-bar-sources/)

G&M interview with the new Chinese ambassador. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/international-business/asian-pacific-business/china-decries-negative-investment-rules/article18548197/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on May 10, 2014, 04:49:32 am
The expanded Atlas also us to explore further back in the history and see some curiosities, like a Independent winning York North in 1984. (York North was huge then, including current Vaughan, Thornhill, Richmond Hill, Markham-Unionville and parts of Oak Ridges-Markham). It's an interesting story.

The PC incumbent, John Gamble (1979-1984) was a controversial hard-right and anti-communist MP. He ran for PC leadership in 1983 and got a very small result. Tony Roman was the mayor of Markham and local influent people convinced him of running to get rid of the hard right MP, because the Liberal candidate was weak (those local people were PCers, independents and Liberals). He ran on on some wierd halfway between Liberals and PC and won. He retired after one term and returned to Markham mayorship.

John Gamble tried to run for Reform in 1993, but was expelled for its links with neo-nazi Heritage Front.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 10, 2014, 07:23:14 am
Historic: PLQ 40%, CAQ 27%, PQ 19%. PQ third among Francophones (!!!) 33% CAQ, 29% PLQ, 23% PQ. Last among voters under 45.  (http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/quebec/407985/sondage-leger-creux-historique-pour-le-pq)Part of this is normal for landslide defeats, but Leger said he's never seen anything like it. Question is now whether Vincent Lemieux was right and PQ is a one-generation pony.

Grits still stratospheric in the Atlantic provinces.
 (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/trudeaus-liberals-lead-in-atlantic-canada-poll/article18338071/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on May 10, 2014, 11:54:15 am
Historic: PLQ 40%, CAQ 27%, PQ 19%. PQ third among Francophones (!!!) 33% CAQ, 29% PLQ, 23% PQ. Last among voters under 45.  (http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/quebec/407985/sondage-leger-creux-historique-pour-le-pq)Part of this is normal for landslide defeats, but Leger said he's never seen anything like it. Question is now whether Vincent Lemieux was right and PQ is a one-generation pony.

That looks pretty bad for the PQ when it comes to seats. The PQ has the same problem as the Bloc; not many bastions of support. When the tide goes against them, they really feel it. They might salvage a dozen seats with that result.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Linus Van Pelt on May 10, 2014, 12:47:34 pm
A funny coincidence I just realized looking at the 1984 map following MaxQue's post above: in that year, all three parties elected an Anglican priest MP in Toronto (Dan Heap, NDP, Spadina; Reginald Stackhouse, PC, Scarborough West; Roland De Corneille, Liberal, Eglinton-Lawrence).


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on May 10, 2014, 02:16:26 pm
The expanded Atlas also us to explore further back in the history and see some curiosities, like a Independent winning York North in 1984. (York North was huge then, including current Vaughan, Thornhill, Richmond Hill, Markham-Unionville and parts of Oak Ridges-Markham). It's an interesting story.

The PC incumbent, John Gamble (1979-1984) was a controversial hard-right and anti-communist MP. He ran for PC leadership in 1983 and got a very small result. Tony Roman was the mayor of Markham and local influent people convinced him of running to get rid of the hard right MP, because the Liberal candidate was weak (those local people were PCers, independents and Liberals). He ran on on some wierd halfway between Liberals and PC and won. He retired after one term and returned to Markham mayorship.

John Gamble tried to run for Reform in 1993, but was expelled for its links with neo-nazi Heritage Front.

People like Gamble remind to laugh at all the PC-nostalgics


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 13, 2014, 06:42:43 am
Alberta regime still in extremis and Prentice may create another voter whiplash if he clears the field when nominations close on the 30th. Not elected by a riding, party or province. (http://www.calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/Prentice+coronation+would+finally+topple+Tory+regime/9832237/story.html) Climate is so radioactive that Wildrose could even knock him off in Calgary-Foothills, in which case Braid says Prentice's leadership would be instantly over before it began.

NDP introducing an abortion resolution.  (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/abortion-rights-move-by-ndp-to-embarrass-liberals-could-backfire-1.2639811)

CETA can't live up to hype if isn't signed. (http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/05/13/stephen-harpers-free-trade-deals-not-living-up-to-the-political-hype/)

More Bruce Carson charges. (http://aptn.ca/news/2014/05/12/new-bruce-carson-charges-stem-business-federal-departments-meeting-involving-trudeau-aide/)

Police could see tax data without a warrant due to an omnibus clause. Hopefully that gets fixed. (http://thechronicleherald.ca/canada/1206977-police-could-see-tax-info-without-warrant-under-proposed-law)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 13, 2014, 10:04:05 pm
WTF: Smith claims Prentice intermediaries asked for a merger.  (http://www.calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/Braid+Wildrose+leader+resists+merge+attempts/9835643/story.html)If true he's absolutely delusional and an arrogant asshole.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on May 14, 2014, 04:12:32 pm
Someone Polled BC! namely 39% NDP, 38% Liberal, 14% Green

http://www.insightswest.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/ReportCardMay2014_Tables.pdf (http://www.insightswest.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/ReportCardMay2014_Tables.pdf)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 14, 2014, 04:52:14 pm
NDP taxpayer funded office controversy still going, but typical bubble issue IMO.  (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/05/14/ndp-still-using-parliamentary-resources-to-pay-for-staff-outside-ottawa/#.U3Pje7kU-Ul)

Cardinal Collins isn't happy with the Grits on abortion, but no mention of the NDP's stance. (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/05/14/ndp-still-using-parliamentary-resources-to-pay-for-staff-outside-ottawa/#.U3Pje7kU-Ul) Better response than what happened last time.
 (http://www.lapresse.ca/debats/chroniques/patrick-lagace/201005/16/01-4281007-le-mepris-de-kazem-ouellet.php)

Still no mention of Trudeau's carbon tax except in Sun. Wonder why.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on May 14, 2014, 05:39:29 pm
WTF: Smith claims Prentice intermediaries asked for a merger.  (http://www.calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/Braid+Wildrose+leader+resists+merge+attempts/9835643/story.html)If true he's absolutely delusional and an arrogant asshole.

I highly doubt that this is true, at least in its entirety.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 14, 2014, 06:00:40 pm
Denials haven't been terribly convincing.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 17, 2014, 07:18:48 pm
Old news but forgot to post: Tory MPs Greg Kerr (West Nova, BC) (http://www.novanewsnow.com/News/2014-04-26/article-3703048/Greg-Kerr-won%26rsquo%3Bt-re-offer-in-next-federal-election/1) and Colin Mayes  (http://www.vernonmorningstar.com/news/254964841.html)(Okanagan-Shuswap, BC) will retire next year.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on May 17, 2014, 08:46:26 pm
Old news but forgot to post: Tory MPs Greg Kerr (West Nova, BC) (http://www.novanewsnow.com/News/2014-04-26/article-3703048/Greg-Kerr-won%26rsquo%3Bt-re-offer-in-next-federal-election/1) and Colin Mayes  (http://www.vernonmorningstar.com/news/254964841.html)(Okanagan-Shuswap, BC) will retire next year.

Surprising for Greg Kerr, he is only elected since 2008, but I suppose he thought he would lose next time (Harper is very unpopular in the Atlantic), and his riding voted Liberal in 2006. He won 47-36 over the former Liberal MP last time.

Mayes was elected first in 2006. Riding is quite safe, last time it was one by another party than Reform/Conservtive was in 1988 (NDP). He won 55-36 last time against NDP, with Liberals 4th, behind Greens in 3rd.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on May 18, 2014, 02:20:13 pm
Old news but forgot to post: Tory MPs Greg Kerr (West Nova, BC) (http://www.novanewsnow.com/News/2014-04-26/article-3703048/Greg-Kerr-won%26rsquo%3Bt-re-offer-in-next-federal-election/1) and Colin Mayes  (http://www.vernonmorningstar.com/news/254964841.html)(Okanagan-Shuswap, BC) will retire next year.

Surprising for Greg Kerr, he is only elected since 2008, but I suppose he thought he would lose next time (Harper is very unpopular in the Atlantic), and his riding voted Liberal in 2006. He won 47-36 over the former Liberal MP last time.

He's been in politics since 1978. I imagine he's ready to retire. Kerr was probably the Tories only hope in West Nova. Goodbye West Nova I guess :\


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 19, 2014, 06:54:14 am
Unsurprisingly, O'Connor is also retiring next year. (http://www.hilltimes.com/news/news/2014/05/19/conservative-mp-oconnor-wont-seek-re-election--sen-white-might-run/38523) Vern White might run.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on May 19, 2014, 08:10:57 am
West Nova, BC ??? :P


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on May 19, 2014, 08:29:38 am
West Nova, BC ??? :P

Can't believe I missed that one :P

Also, West Nova & Central Nova are stupid riding names.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on May 19, 2014, 12:08:08 pm
West Nova, BC ??? :P

Can't believe I missed that one :P

Also, West Nova & Central Nova are stupid riding names.

Yes, they are. What would you call them?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 19, 2014, 12:23:45 pm
Forgot to mention that FEA passed the House, but waiting for Senate + royal assent.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: True Federalist on May 19, 2014, 03:44:25 pm
West Nova, BC ??? :P

Can't believe I missed that one :P

Also, West Nova & Central Nova are stupid riding names.

Yes, they are. What would you call them?

I'd combine them into one riding named Super Nova. ;D


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on May 19, 2014, 05:34:48 pm
West Nova, BC ??? :P


Can't believe I missed that one :P

Also, West Nova & Central Nova are stupid riding names.

Yes, they are. What would you call them?

 Annapolis Valley-Yarmouth and East Shore-Pictou


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on May 19, 2014, 06:25:51 pm
West Nova, BC ??? :P

Annapolis Valley-Yarmouth and East Shore-Pictou

Can't believe I missed that one :P

Also, West Nova & Central Nova are stupid riding names.

Yes, they are. What would you call them?

West Nova is easy: Yarmouth-Digby-Annapolis. Covers the three main counties that make up 90% of the riding.

Central Nova is a bit tougher since it's an awkward riding. Maybe Pictou-Eastern Shore or Pictou-Antigonish-Eastern Shore. The 2nd one is more accurate but it sounds funny :P


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on May 19, 2014, 07:51:13 pm
What about Yarmouth-Digby-Annapolis Valley ?

I would also go with Pictou-Antigonish-Eastern Shore for Central Nova.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on May 19, 2014, 09:43:25 pm
What about Yarmouth-Digby-Annapolis Valley ?

I would also go with Pictou-Antigonish-Eastern Shore for Central Nova.

Antigonish is just such a damndably long string of long syllables when properly pronounced


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on May 20, 2014, 06:58:27 am
What about Yarmouth-Digby-Annapolis Valley ?

Yeah that would work. It would also cover the chunk of Kings county that's in the riding without adding another place to the riding name. What are some other terribly named ridings? The only one I can think of off the top of my head is New Brunswick Southwest, but I'm sure there are others... Maybe some of the Alberta ridings? There's no way that "Manning" is an actual neighbourhood in Edmonton :P


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on May 20, 2014, 07:01:41 am
British Columbia Southern Interior.

Any riding named after a person.

Names with more than three places in its title.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on May 20, 2014, 07:10:37 am
For NB SW, I would suggest: Charlotte-Saint John Valley
For BC SI: Kootenay-Okanagan or Kootenay-Similkameen or Kootenay-Boundary-Okanagan/Similkameen


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on May 20, 2014, 12:54:46 pm
For NB SW, I would suggest: Charlotte-Saint John Valley
For BC SI: Kootenay-Okanagan or Kootenay-Similkameen or Kootenay-Boundary-Okanagan/Similkameen

Thankfully, BCSI riding is gone, replaced with the more sensibly shaped ridings of 'South Okanagan-West Kootenay'  and 'Central Okanagan-Similkameen-Nicola'  

Both of which are horrible names.  I think a name that contains more than four-five words should be struck, along with pointless directionals. SOWK could be replaced with Okanagan-Kootenay.  COSN could easily be Okanagan-Similkameen-Nicola or Okanagan-Merritt-Keremeos or Boundary Okanagan or whatever.

as for the old riding, I feel 'Kootenay-Keremeos' would have been an artful name

Of course, the BC Commission was fond of ensuring that everyone knew at a glance what particular part of some area was attached to another area, thus we end up with Vancouver Island North-Comox-Powell River and Burnaby North-Seymour. I would rename so many of them

Also, thoughts on 'Vancouver Quadra'? It's been named that for decades, but Quadra isn't a neighborhood. Quadra is an island north of here, and was a Spanish explorer. Despite my dislike of ridings-from-people, I do feel that Quadra has been Quadra for so long that it has become part of the Geography


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on May 20, 2014, 01:21:27 pm
For Quadra: Why not Quilchena-Point Grey? (for the provincial ridings)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on May 20, 2014, 01:59:27 pm
For Quadra: Why not Quilchena-Point Grey? (for the provincial ridings)

Especially after redistribution that would make some sense. Thing is that, while I don't mind the just-pick-a-name approach, 'Quilchena' isn't actually the name of anything other than a mid sized park and a smallish street and a small town in the Interior. 

Vancouver-West would be the most logical name if not for the existence of the municipality of West Vancouver.  Perhaps Vancouver-University? It might even be polite to make it Vancouver-Musquem or something like that


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on May 20, 2014, 02:30:58 pm
I hate appending "University" to riding names. But you're right about Quilchena. I couldn't find much referring to the area as that.

This may be getting too long for you, but what about "Vancouver West End--Point Grey"?


ETA: Actually, "Vancouver-Point Grey" might be inclusive enough, since there are areas in the south of the riding called Point Grey as well.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on May 20, 2014, 03:00:12 pm
I'm kind of curious what they'll do in in Calgary next redistribution. It's big enough that they could start using riding names other than Calgary_______ but the city grew so fast, there aren't really any alternative place names to use. There's no equivalent to Etobicoke or Scarborough for Calgary is there?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on May 20, 2014, 04:02:24 pm
I'm kind of curious what they'll do in in Calgary next redistribution. It's big enough that they could start using riding names other than Calgary_______ but the city grew so fast, there aren't really any alternative place names to use. There's no equivalent to Etobicoke or Scarborough for Calgary is there?

Not really, no. It's incredibly difficult to name ridings in Calgary, because the city isn't really divided into large regions with a unique names (even Edmonton as Mill Woods). Rather, the city is divided up into hundreds of small little neighbourhoods.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: ¢®🅰ß 🦀 ©@k€ 🎂 on May 20, 2014, 04:51:14 pm
I'm kind of curious what they'll do in in Calgary next redistribution. It's big enough that they could start using riding names other than Calgary_______ but the city grew so fast, there aren't really any alternative place names to use. There's no equivalent to Etobicoke or Scarborough for Calgary is there?

Not really, no. It's incredibly difficult to name ridings in Calgary, because the city isn't really divided into large regions with a unique names (even Edmonton as Mill Woods). Rather, the city is divided up into hundreds of small little neighbourhoods.

Can they just divide into "North Calgary" and "South Calgary" or something?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on May 20, 2014, 05:32:07 pm
I hate appending "University" to riding names. But you're right about Quilchena. I couldn't find much referring to the area as that.

This may be getting too long for you, but what about "Vancouver West End--Point Grey"?


ETA: Actually, "Vancouver-Point Grey" might be inclusive enough, since there are areas in the south of the riding called Point Grey as well.

Cardinal-Direction geography is tricky in Vancouver, and any name including a cardinal direction is probably in no way a symmetrical concept with a similar name including a different cardinal direction.  'The West End' refers to the portion of the downtown peninsula NW of Burrard St. and SW of Georgia St, which is part of Vancouver-Centre.

Point Grey refers to two things- the headland on which UBC sits (a term which is not frequently encountered for lack of need to use it), and the rather tony neighborhood between Blanca St, 16th Avenue, and Alma St. This neighborhood is quite small compared to Vancouver Point Grey, and smaller still next to Vancouver Quadra, though the headland does itself make a good name. 

What's wrong with -University?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on May 20, 2014, 05:33:54 pm
I'm kind of curious what they'll do in in Calgary next redistribution. It's big enough that they could start using riding names other than Calgary_______ but the city grew so fast, there aren't really any alternative place names to use. There's no equivalent to Etobicoke or Scarborough for Calgary is there?

Not really, no. It's incredibly difficult to name ridings in Calgary, because the city isn't really divided into large regions with a unique names (even Edmonton as Mill Woods). Rather, the city is divided up into hundreds of small little neighbourhoods.

Can they just divide into "North Calgary" and "South Calgary" or something?

There are ten constituencies within Calgary city limits


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on May 20, 2014, 07:51:47 pm
I hate appending "University" to riding names. But you're right about Quilchena. I couldn't find much referring to the area as that.

This may be getting too long for you, but what about "Vancouver West End--Point Grey"?


ETA: Actually, "Vancouver-Point Grey" might be inclusive enough, since there are areas in the south of the riding called Point Grey as well.

Cardinal-Direction geography is tricky in Vancouver, and any name including a cardinal direction is probably in no way a symmetrical concept with a similar name including a different cardinal direction.  'The West End' refers to the portion of the downtown peninsula NW of Burrard St. and SW of Georgia St, which is part of Vancouver-Centre.

Point Grey refers to two things- the headland on which UBC sits (a term which is not frequently encountered for lack of need to use it), and the rather tony neighborhood between Blanca St, 16th Avenue, and Alma St. This neighborhood is quite small compared to Vancouver Point Grey, and smaller still next to Vancouver Quadra, though the headland does itself make a good name. 

What's wrong with -University?

Every major city in Canada has a university, there is nothing unique about using it in a riding name.

As for Point Grey, there is a golf course in the southern part of Vancouver Quadra named Point Grey, which is why I thought it would be a good name.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on May 20, 2014, 08:17:26 pm
I hate appending "University" to riding names. But you're right about Quilchena. I couldn't find much referring to the area as that.

This may be getting too long for you, but what about "Vancouver West End--Point Grey"?


ETA: Actually, "Vancouver-Point Grey" might be inclusive enough, since there are areas in the south of the riding called Point Grey as well.

Cardinal-Direction geography is tricky in Vancouver, and any name including a cardinal direction is probably in no way a symmetrical concept with a similar name including a different cardinal direction.  'The West End' refers to the portion of the downtown peninsula NW of Burrard St. and SW of Georgia St, which is part of Vancouver-Centre.

Point Grey refers to two things- the headland on which UBC sits (a term which is not frequently encountered for lack of need to use it), and the rather tony neighborhood between Blanca St, 16th Avenue, and Alma St. This neighborhood is quite small compared to Vancouver Point Grey, and smaller still next to Vancouver Quadra, though the headland does itself make a good name. 

What's wrong with -University?

Every major city in Canada has a university, there is nothing unique about using it in a riding name.

I think it would be ok if the riding used a specific university name that wasn't just a place name. i.e. Toronto-Ryerson would be ok but Toronto-UofT would not.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on May 20, 2014, 08:20:36 pm
I hate appending "University" to riding names. But you're right about Quilchena. I couldn't find much referring to the area as that.

This may be getting too long for you, but what about "Vancouver West End--Point Grey"?


ETA: Actually, "Vancouver-Point Grey" might be inclusive enough, since there are areas in the south of the riding called Point Grey as well.

Cardinal-Direction geography is tricky in Vancouver, and any name including a cardinal direction is probably in no way a symmetrical concept with a similar name including a different cardinal direction.  'The West End' refers to the portion of the downtown peninsula NW of Burrard St. and SW of Georgia St, which is part of Vancouver-Centre.

Point Grey refers to two things- the headland on which UBC sits (a term which is not frequently encountered for lack of need to use it), and the rather tony neighborhood between Blanca St, 16th Avenue, and Alma St. This neighborhood is quite small compared to Vancouver Point Grey, and smaller still next to Vancouver Quadra, though the headland does itself make a good name. 

What's wrong with -University?

Every major city in Canada has a university, there is nothing unique about using it in a riding name.

I think it would be ok if the riding used a specific university name that wasn't just a place name. i.e. Toronto-Ryerson would be ok but Toronto-UofT would not.

Maybe, also having the name "University Heights" for York West would be acceptable.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on May 21, 2014, 12:17:58 am
I hate appending "University" to riding names. But you're right about Quilchena. I couldn't find much referring to the area as that.

This may be getting too long for you, but what about "Vancouver West End--Point Grey"?


ETA: Actually, "Vancouver-Point Grey" might be inclusive enough, since there are areas in the south of the riding called Point Grey as well.

Cardinal-Direction geography is tricky in Vancouver, and any name including a cardinal direction is probably in no way a symmetrical concept with a similar name including a different cardinal direction.  'The West End' refers to the portion of the downtown peninsula NW of Burrard St. and SW of Georgia St, which is part of Vancouver-Centre.

Point Grey refers to two things- the headland on which UBC sits (a term which is not frequently encountered for lack of need to use it), and the rather tony neighborhood between Blanca St, 16th Avenue, and Alma St. This neighborhood is quite small compared to Vancouver Point Grey, and smaller still next to Vancouver Quadra, though the headland does itself make a good name. 

What's wrong with -University?

Every major city in Canada has a university, there is nothing unique about using it in a riding name.

As for Point Grey, there is a golf course in the southern part of Vancouver Quadra named Point Grey, which is why I thought it would be a good name.

Every major city in Canada has a north end or a west end, and University seems more interesting than that. 

And true, there is the Point Grey golf course. I used to live near there, over on the Musquem Reserve. 


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 21, 2014, 06:06:29 pm
Hebert: revert to much stricter early voting. (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/05/21/advance_polls_distort_final_outcome_of_elections_hbert.html)

Ibbitson: Trudeau doesn't understand the realities of modern foreign policy. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/justin-trudeaus-foreign-policy-is-rooted-in-nostalgia/article18772651/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on May 21, 2014, 07:29:14 pm
Hebert: revert to much stricter early voting. (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/05/21/advance_polls_distort_final_outcome_of_elections_hbert.html)

Ibbitson: Trudeau doesn't understand the realities of modern foreign policy. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/justin-trudeaus-foreign-policy-is-rooted-in-nostalgia/article18772651/)

Ibbitson's article could be summarized as 'I'm going to pretend that Justin Trudeau is actually 1988 vintage John Turner'


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 21, 2014, 07:33:55 pm
John Turner used the terms "imperialist" and "colonial" when discussing foreign policy? News to me. Nah, what Ibbitson's saying is that Trudeau's embodying Laurentia.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 21, 2014, 07:54:42 pm
Nanos tracker: 56% would consider voting Grit, 45% NDP, 44% Tory. PPM is Harper 31, Trudeau 27, Mulcair 19.  (http://assets.nationalnewswatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Nanos-Political-Index-2014-05-16E.pdf)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on May 21, 2014, 11:59:25 pm
Ah, the Nanos incomparable voodoo-poll


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 22, 2014, 07:36:27 am
5 bills left this sitting. (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/05/22/five-bills-to-watch-parliament_n_5370646.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 22, 2014, 09:11:49 pm
ONB Tory nomination continues to be a clusterfark.  (http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/conservatives-delay-nomination-meeting-as-eve-adams-rival-trade-allegations-1.1834320)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on May 23, 2014, 03:44:41 pm
The NS Liberals are liberalizing NS's outdated apprenticeship rules. Good for them.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 24, 2014, 04:38:51 pm
Yeah, JT's a very polarizing figure among Francophones - though his entourage probably isn't a huge reason why. (http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/why-justin-trudeau-risks-alienating-quebec/) Money quote from Lapierre: "My impression is that the issue in Quebec will be the economy [in the 2015 election], and the name Justin Trudeau and the economy don’t exactly go hand in hand. All he does is say ‘middle class’ 100 times in his speeches.”



Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 24, 2014, 10:27:56 pm
Knowlton Nash died today at 86. RIP. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/knowlton-nash-longtime-anchor-of-cbc-s-the-national-dead-at-86-1.2653467) :(


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 26, 2014, 02:34:42 pm
Gerald Keddy is retiring next year. (http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/#!/content/1.2654611)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on May 26, 2014, 04:12:28 pm
Gerald Keddy is retiring next year. (http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/#!/content/1.2654611)

Interestingly, Keddy only broke 40% of the vote in one of his 6 election victories (2011).

Probably going to lose that one in 2015, but the riding  has a long history of the NDP & Liberals splitting the progressive vote, so maybe there's an outside chance at the Tories keeping it.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 26, 2014, 10:13:18 pm
McKay none too thrilled with Trudeau's abortion edict. (http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/bozo-eruption-liberal-mp-secretly-recorded-slamming-trudeau-s-abortion-stance-1.1839528)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 28, 2014, 09:35:22 am
Romeo Dallaire is resigning from the Senate. He'll tell his caucus within the hour.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hifly on May 28, 2014, 11:21:33 am
McKay none too thrilled with Trudeau's abortion edict. (http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/bozo-eruption-liberal-mp-secretly-recorded-slamming-trudeau-s-abortion-stance-1.1839528)

Rightfully so; Trudeau is a moron for saying what he did. I want to know his logic as to how it will help win over Tory-Liberal swing voters or help win back seats in Scarborough.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on May 28, 2014, 12:34:53 pm
McKay none too thrilled with Trudeau's abortion edict. (http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/bozo-eruption-liberal-mp-secretly-recorded-slamming-trudeau-s-abortion-stance-1.1839528)

Rightfully so; Trudeau is a moron for saying what he did. I want to know his logic as to how it will help win over Tory-Liberal swing voters or help win back seats in Scarborough.

He has principles instead of saying whatever could get him elected.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hifly on May 28, 2014, 01:04:26 pm
McKay none too thrilled with Trudeau's abortion edict. (http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/bozo-eruption-liberal-mp-secretly-recorded-slamming-trudeau-s-abortion-stance-1.1839528)

Rightfully so; Trudeau is a moron for saying what he did. I want to know his logic as to how it will help win over Tory-Liberal swing voters or help win back seats in Scarborough.

He has principles instead of saying whatever could get him elected.

The Liberal Party has always welcomed pluralism on social issues, so good for him if he wants to stick to his principles but trying to impose it on all the Liberal Party itself by banning people with social views different to his as standing as a candidate is absurd. He seems completely cavalier to the entire principle of Liberalism, and it's going to hurt his party. This won't affect your vote, but it will affect many others.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on May 28, 2014, 01:06:24 pm
McKay none too thrilled with Trudeau's abortion edict. (http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/bozo-eruption-liberal-mp-secretly-recorded-slamming-trudeau-s-abortion-stance-1.1839528)

Rightfully so; Trudeau is a moron for saying what he did. I want to know his logic as to how it will help win over Tory-Liberal swing voters or help win back seats in Scarborough.

He has principles instead of saying whatever could get him elected.

The Liberal Party has always welcomed pluralism on social issues, so good for him if he wants to stick to his principles but trying to impose it on all the Liberal Party itself by banning people with social views different to his as standing as a candidate is absurd. He seems completely cavalier to the entire principle of Liberalism, and it's going to hurt his party. This won't affect your vote, but it will affect many others.

But that may allow him to gain other votes. I know people who will refuse to consider voting Liberal until they got rid of pro-life and anti-gay-marriage MPs.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hifly on May 28, 2014, 01:14:30 pm
McKay none too thrilled with Trudeau's abortion edict. (http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/bozo-eruption-liberal-mp-secretly-recorded-slamming-trudeau-s-abortion-stance-1.1839528)

Rightfully so; Trudeau is a moron for saying what he did. I want to know his logic as to how it will help win over Tory-Liberal swing voters or help win back seats in Scarborough.

He has principles instead of saying whatever could get him elected.

The Liberal Party has always welcomed pluralism on social issues, so good for him if he wants to stick to his principles but trying to impose it on all the Liberal Party itself by banning people with social views different to his as standing as a candidate is absurd. He seems completely cavalier to the entire principle of Liberalism, and it's going to hurt his party. This won't affect your vote, but it will affect many others.

But that may allow him to gain other votes. I know people who will refuse to consider voting Liberal until they got rid of pro-life and anti-gay-marriage MPs.

His ruling does not get rid of sitting social conservatives, thankfully, so those people you know have some time to wait.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on May 28, 2014, 01:15:28 pm
McKay none too thrilled with Trudeau's abortion edict. (http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/bozo-eruption-liberal-mp-secretly-recorded-slamming-trudeau-s-abortion-stance-1.1839528)

Rightfully so; Trudeau is a moron for saying what he did. I want to know his logic as to how it will help win over Tory-Liberal swing voters or help win back seats in Scarborough.

He has principles instead of saying whatever could get him elected.

The Liberal Party has always welcomed pluralism on social issues, so good for him if he wants to stick to his principles but trying to impose it on all the Liberal Party itself by banning people with social views different to his as standing as a candidate is absurd. He seems completely cavalier to the entire principle of Liberalism, and it's going to hurt his party. This won't affect your vote, but it will affect many others.

But that may allow him to gain other votes. I know people who will refuse to consider voting Liberal until they got rid of pro-life and anti-gay-marriage MPs.

His ruling does not get rid of sitting social conservatives, thankfully, so those people you know have some time to wait.

But most voters ignore those details.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hash on May 28, 2014, 01:17:42 pm
I'm absolutely confident that abortion will be the top priority for swing voters hesitating between the Tories and Grits.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hifly on May 28, 2014, 02:02:15 pm
I'm absolutely confident that abortion will be the top priority for swing voters hesitating between the Tories and Grits.

You know that's not what I'm saying, but it certainly sends the wrong message out to swing voters and socially conservative Liberal voters, and voters in regions like Scarborough which the Libs have to win. And now it's created a mini scandal which the media are picking up on, whereas if Trudeau had just been a tad wiser to keep his principles to himself and not been selfish enough to unilaterally decide what makes one a Liberal, this wouldn't have happened.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on May 28, 2014, 03:46:59 pm
I'm absolutely confident that abortion will be the top priority for swing voters hesitating between the Tories and Grits.

You know that's not what I'm saying, but it certainly sends the wrong message out to swing voters and socially conservative Liberal voters, and voters in regions like Scarborough which the Libs have to win. And now it's created a mini scandal which the media are picking up on, whereas if Trudeau had just been a tad wiser to keep his principles to himself and not been selfish enough to unilaterally decide what makes one a Liberal, this wouldn't have happened.

The Liberal Party membership voted to make social LIBERALISM a point of party policy at the 2012 convention. Trudeau is requiring caucus members to agree to accept the whip on party policy, like literally every parliamentary party ever.  The media narrative is wrong, and misleading


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 28, 2014, 06:03:50 pm
On another subject. (http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/harper-changes-canada-a-cut-at-a-time/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 29, 2014, 07:39:18 am
Feds negotiating a new internal trade agreement. (http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/05/29/harper-government-aims-for-deal-to-end-provincial-trade-barriers-which-cost-canadian-economy-50b-annually/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on May 30, 2014, 08:06:10 am
Scott Armstrong is running again. (http://www.cumberlandnewsnow.com/News/Local/2014-05-29/article-3742430/Scott-Armstrong-not-going-anywhere/1)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: True Federalist on May 30, 2014, 10:31:48 am
Scott Armstrong is running again. (http://www.cumberlandnewsnow.com/News/Local/2014-05-29/article-3742430/Scott-Armstrong-not-going-anywhere/1)

Now if only we could get Neil to walk again.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: politicus on May 31, 2014, 10:48:28 am
Scott Armstrong is running again. (http://www.cumberlandnewsnow.com/News/Local/2014-05-29/article-3742430/Scott-Armstrong-not-going-anywhere/1)

Now if only we could get Neil to walk again.

And lets Lance provide the drugs - then you would have a party.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 02, 2014, 10:40:27 pm
NDP is mighty pissed about potentially having to repay the House for those mailings. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ndp-may-have-to-repay-house-for-mass-mailouts-1.2662537)

And Cheryl Gallant is mighty silly for leaving her briefing binder at the Ottawa airport... later retrieved by Sheila Copps.  (http://www.ipolitics.ca/2014/06/02/conservative-mp-leaves-nato-briefing-binder-at-airport/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 03, 2014, 10:12:03 am
Mostly great polling numbers out of QC. (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-quebecoise/201406/02/01-4771950-les-jeunes-et-la-souverainete-la-generation-non.php)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on June 03, 2014, 11:58:22 am
New provincial CRA polls

Nova Scotia
Liberal: 57 (-3)
PC: 21 (+1)
NDP: 19 (+1)
Green: 3 (+1)

PEI
Liberal: 53 (nc)
PC: 23 (+6)
NDP: 21 (-1)
Green: 3 (-4)

Nothing particularly interesting. The upswing for the PEI Tories is the result of them not being in the middle of a civil war anymore. :P


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 03, 2014, 03:59:54 pm
Harper names QC Court of Appeal justice Clement Gascon to Supreme Court as Fish successor.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 04, 2014, 08:36:42 pm
Awful: ongoing shooting in Moncton.  (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/manhunt-underway-in-moncton-after-at-least-2-people-shot-1.2665359)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 04, 2014, 08:59:54 pm
3 Mounties killed, 2 w/non-life threatening injuries.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 04, 2014, 09:55:35 pm
:(


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 04, 2014, 10:12:24 pm
RCMP says shooter still at large.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 04, 2014, 10:23:47 pm
Moncton mayor will be holding a presser in a few minutes.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 04, 2014, 10:57:09 pm
Hospital says 2 victims in stable condition.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 05, 2014, 07:07:17 am
Suspect is a gun nut, surprise, surprise.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Tender Branson on June 05, 2014, 07:38:45 am
Reminds me of that Austrian case (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-24140105) last year ...

Horrible.

:(


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 05, 2014, 09:00:16 am
Moncton is in lockdown mode today, schools are shut down, public transit shut down, people are encouraged to stay in their homes, especially in the neighbourhood where the RCMP officers were shot.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 05, 2014, 09:01:47 am
CBC News livestream: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/moncton-shooting-manhunt-on-for-killer-of-3-rcmp-officers-1.2665707


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 05, 2014, 01:45:34 pm
Police have surrounded a building. People making fun of CBC for showing pictures of the area, because people can easily look it up (police are telling people to not reveal their locations).


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 05, 2014, 08:49:01 pm
National Post profiles one of the murdered Mounties. (http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/06/05/moncton-shooting-victim-was-a-rcmp-dog-handler-with-young-growing-family/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter) He has a young family with a second child on the way. :(


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hash on June 05, 2014, 09:19:28 pm
Our Dear Leader had some trouble figuring out how to shake two hands at the same time (the picture doesn't do justice, but a video is hilarious):

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Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 05, 2014, 10:52:32 pm
Suspect about to be in detention!


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 05, 2014, 10:58:27 pm
Unconfirmed reports that the suspect is being taken into custody.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on June 06, 2014, 07:17:30 am
New Brunswick poll is out:

Liberal: 53% (+10)!
PC: 28% (-3)
NDP: 16% (-5)
Green 4% (-1)

NDP still probably win a couple seats in Saint John with no numbers, but they won't make a substantial breakthrough.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 06, 2014, 02:03:01 pm
NDP MP Manon Perreault is suspended from caucus due to criminal charges of false accusations of theft and misleading police. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/manon-perreault-ndp-mp-faces-criminal-charges-1.2667523)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 06, 2014, 03:57:22 pm
New Brunswick poll is out:

Liberal: 53% (+10)!
PC: 28% (-3)
NDP: 16% (-5)
Green 4% (-1)

NDP still probably win a couple seats in Saint John with no numbers, but they won't make a substantial breakthrough.

Hmm, more likely just the leader.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on June 06, 2014, 07:14:56 pm
New Brunswick poll is out:

Liberal: 53% (+10)!
PC: 28% (-3)
NDP: 16% (-5)
Green 4% (-1)

NDP still probably win a couple seats in Saint John with no numbers, but they won't make a substantial breakthrough.

Hmm, more likely just the leader.

No, he announced he would run in his home city, in Fredericton West-Hanwell. It's a new riding, rurban, covering west Frederiction and rural areas, but I would guess a notional of 16% (NDP polled 16% in both former ridings (York and Fredericton-Silverwood).


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 06, 2014, 08:07:11 pm
New Brunswick poll is out:

Liberal: 53% (+10)!
PC: 28% (-3)
NDP: 16% (-5)
Green 4% (-1)

NDP still probably win a couple seats in Saint John with no numbers, but they won't make a substantial breakthrough.

Hmm, more likely just the leader.

No, he announced he would run in his home city, in Fredericton West-Hanwell. It's a new riding, rurban, covering west Frederiction and rural areas, but I would guess a notional of 16% (NDP polled 16% in both former ridings (York and Fredericton-Silverwood).

I know that. I was saying that he will probably win his riding, but the NDP wont win anything else, even in Saint John.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on June 06, 2014, 09:51:51 pm
New Brunswick poll is out:

Liberal: 53% (+10)!
PC: 28% (-3)
NDP: 16% (-5)
Green 4% (-1)

NDP still probably win a couple seats in Saint John with no numbers, but they won't make a substantial breakthrough.

Hmm, more likely just the leader.

No, he announced he would run in his home city, in Fredericton West-Hanwell. It's a new riding, rurban, covering west Frederiction and rural areas, but I would guess a notional of 16% (NDP polled 16% in both former ridings (York and Fredericton-Silverwood).

I know that. I was saying that he will probably win his riding, but the NDP wont win anything else, even in Saint John.

I have huge doubts he will win in Frederiction. It's a quite weak area for NDP. I would think than if Cardy (the leader wins), they won Saint Jonh Harbour and at least another Saint John riding. Personally, I think they'll win nothing.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 06, 2014, 09:59:52 pm
New Brunswick poll is out:

Liberal: 53% (+10)!
PC: 28% (-3)
NDP: 16% (-5)
Green 4% (-1)

NDP still probably win a couple seats in Saint John with no numbers, but they won't make a substantial breakthrough.

Hmm, more likely just the leader.

No, he announced he would run in his home city, in Fredericton West-Hanwell. It's a new riding, rurban, covering west Frederiction and rural areas, but I would guess a notional of 16% (NDP polled 16% in both former ridings (York and Fredericton-Silverwood).

I know that. I was saying that he will probably win his riding, but the NDP wont win anything else, even in Saint John.

I have huge doubts he will win in Frederiction. It's a quite weak area for NDP. I would think than if Cardy (the leader wins), they won Saint Jonh Harbour and at least another Saint John riding. Personally, I think they'll win nothing.

I don't know. He nearly won the Rothesay by-election, which is the richest riding in the province. I do think he picked the wrong Fredericton riding though. According to this: http://blunt-objects.blogspot.ca/2014/05/new-brunswick-provincial-redistribution.html he should be running in Fredericton South, not Fredericton West-Hanwell.

The south side of Fredericton is quite left leaning, the NDP won the area in the federal election.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on June 06, 2014, 10:13:49 pm
New Brunswick poll is out:

Liberal: 53% (+10)!
PC: 28% (-3)
NDP: 16% (-5)
Green 4% (-1)

NDP still probably win a couple seats in Saint John with no numbers, but they won't make a substantial breakthrough.

Hmm, more likely just the leader.

No, he announced he would run in his home city, in Fredericton West-Hanwell. It's a new riding, rurban, covering west Frederiction and rural areas, but I would guess a notional of 16% (NDP polled 16% in both former ridings (York and Fredericton-Silverwood).

I know that. I was saying that he will probably win his riding, but the NDP wont win anything else, even in Saint John.

I have huge doubts he will win in Frederiction. It's a quite weak area for NDP. I would think than if Cardy (the leader wins), they won Saint Jonh Harbour and at least another Saint John riding. Personally, I think they'll win nothing.

I don't know. He nearly won the Rothesay by-election, which is the richest riding in the province. I do think he picked the wrong Fredericton riding though. According to this: http://blunt-objects.blogspot.ca/2014/05/new-brunswick-provincial-redistribution.html he should be running in Fredericton South, not Fredericton West-Hanwell.

The south side of Fredericton is quite left leaning, the NDP won the area in the federal election.

Didn't think than Fredericton was so good for NDP. South was the 3rd most strong NDP in the province (I would even say 2nd, since Tracadie-Sheila was the leader seat). Through, I must say than, surprisingly, Fredericton West-Hanwell is quite good for NDP. I understand the symbolism, through. It includes part of the capital, suburbs, rural areas and a Native reservation.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 07, 2014, 07:26:42 am
Yeah, the NDP's chance to become the Acadian Party was last election. Their numbers in Tracadie-Sheila will disappear, unless Yvon Godin makes the jump to provincial politics.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on June 07, 2014, 08:16:26 am
New Brunswick poll is out:

Liberal: 53% (+10)!
PC: 28% (-3)
NDP: 16% (-5)
Green 4% (-1)

NDP still probably win a couple seats in Saint John with no numbers, but they won't make a substantial breakthrough.

Hmm, more likely just the leader.

No, he announced he would run in his home city, in Fredericton West-Hanwell. It's a new riding, rurban, covering west Frederiction and rural areas, but I would guess a notional of 16% (NDP polled 16% in both former ridings (York and Fredericton-Silverwood).

I know that. I was saying that he will probably win his riding, but the NDP wont win anything else, even in Saint John.

I have huge doubts he will win in Frederiction. It's a quite weak area for NDP. I would think than if Cardy (the leader wins), they won Saint Jonh Harbour and at least another Saint John riding. Personally, I think they'll win nothing.

I don't know. He nearly won the Rothesay by-election, which is the richest riding in the province.

Rothesay was an exceptional circumstance. In the span of a week, the Tories recreated a patronage job they had cut (and attacked the Liberals for keeping in the 2010 campaign), appointed a sitting MLA to said patronage job and called a by-election. Needless to say, people were pissed.

The NDP still have a good shot at winning 1-2 ridings in Saint John, but Rothesay is not indicative of any trend.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 07, 2014, 09:40:49 am
Not saying Rothesay will be close, just saying Cardy is likely to have personal popularity that could help him win his riding.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on June 13, 2014, 10:24:25 am
Question: How do people from Toronto/Vancouver afford their houses?

I always figured they could swing it because and there's more money there. But now, I'm looking at the median family incomes by city and TO/Van are lower than places like Halifax, Windsor and Saint John. What gives?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on June 13, 2014, 03:25:07 pm
lower than windsor and st john? What? http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/famil107a-eng.htm


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 14, 2014, 10:19:10 am
ROFLMAO: Mario Beaulieu has been elected BQ leader.  (http://tvanouvelles.ca/lcn/infos/national/archives/2014/06/20140614-111124.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on June 14, 2014, 11:59:45 am
ROFLMAO: Mario Beaulieu has been elected BQ leader.  (http://tvanouvelles.ca/lcn/infos/national/archives/2014/06/20140614-111124.html)

Oh yeah, forgot that was going on :P

Looks like BQ 2015 will be like Socreds 1980. Bellavance wasn't great but at least he'd have some presence in the house. Too bad, I was hoping for a 3-4 way fight in QC next year.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on June 14, 2014, 03:16:41 pm
Well, it confirms than much of my family will vote NDP next time. They insist than Bloc shouldn't be about independence, but about Quebec interests and I suspect they aren't alone. Thank you Bloquistes.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 14, 2014, 03:29:30 pm
Question: How do people from Toronto/Vancouver afford their houses?

I always figured they could swing it because and there's more money there. But now, I'm looking at the median family incomes by city and TO/Van are lower than places like Halifax, Windsor and Saint John. What gives?

Higher rental rates?

I know I for one have given up any ideas of buying a home in the near future - and my personal income is higher than the median income for Ottawa.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on June 14, 2014, 05:13:25 pm
Question: How do people from Toronto/Vancouver afford their houses?

I always figured they could swing it because and there's more money there. But now, I'm looking at the median family incomes by city and TO/Van are lower than places like Halifax, Windsor and Saint John. What gives?

Higher rental rates?

I know I for one have given up any ideas of buying a home in the near future - and my personal income is higher than the median income for Ottawa.

Perhaps. Canadian home prices are bizarre, albeit not so bad here.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on June 14, 2014, 05:16:17 pm
NS Tory MLA Chuck Porter has quit/been ejected from caucus depending on who you believe.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 14, 2014, 05:26:55 pm
^ My favourite expulsions were definitely the PQ psychodrama 3 years ago.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 15, 2014, 09:26:09 am
Beaulieu's leadership going even better than expected. (http://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/Politique/2014/06/14/001-nouveau-chef-bloc-quebecois.shtml) He characterized the past 20 years as "waiting and defeatism", naturally Duceppe was furious. One riding association president quit already.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: You kip if you want to... on June 15, 2014, 10:35:54 am
Can this guy even win the Bloc 1 MP?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on June 15, 2014, 10:41:21 am
Beaulieu's leadership going even better than expected. (http://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/Politique/2014/06/14/001-nouveau-chef-bloc-quebecois.shtml) He characterized the past 20 years as "waiting and defeatism", naturally Duceppe was furious. One riding association president quit already.

The FLQ reference terrifies me.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 15, 2014, 11:21:22 am
Same. The lunatics are now running the asylum. Imagine him on the stage with Mulcair and Trudeau next year...


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on June 15, 2014, 11:35:23 am
Can this guy even win the Bloc 1 MP?

I can see a lone Bloc MP winning off their personal vote, but yes I think this represents the end of the BQ as a serious party.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: You kip if you want to... on June 15, 2014, 11:56:57 am
Same. The lunatics are now running the asylum. Imagine him on the stage with Mulcair and Trudeau next year...

Would the BQ even be invited to the debates next year?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on June 15, 2014, 12:13:28 pm
Same. The lunatics are now running the asylum. Imagine him on the stage with Mulcair and Trudeau next year...

Would the BQ even be invited to the debates next year?

The rule always was than your are invoted if you got an MP when the election was called. It would mean Harper, Mulcair, Trudeau, Beaulieu and May.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on June 15, 2014, 12:16:46 pm
Same. The lunatics are now running the asylum. Imagine him on the stage with Mulcair and Trudeau next year...

Would the BQ even be invited to the debates next year?

Yes. Reform was allowed in the '93 debates with only 1 MP (who won a by-election a couple years before). The Greens were invited in 2011 despite having no MP's at the time.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hash on June 15, 2014, 12:17:46 pm
Hopefully there are major fireworks in the next debate between the Bloc's nutcase and the others (esp. Harper)!


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on June 15, 2014, 12:21:13 pm
Hopefully there are major fireworks in the next debate between the Bloc's nutcase and the others (esp. Harper)!

Personally I think Mulcair would be the best candidate for fireworks with the Bloc since he's as prickly as Harper and is competing with Beaulieu for the same voters.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on June 15, 2014, 04:45:12 pm
Same. The lunatics are now running the asylum. Imagine him on the stage with Mulcair and Trudeau next year...

Would the BQ even be invited to the debates next year?

Yes. Reform was allowed in the '93 debates with only 1 MP (who won a by-election a couple years before). The Greens were invited in 2011 despite having no MP's at the time.

The Greens weren't there in 2011, though they were there in 2008 when they had Liberal turncout Blair Wilson. Presumably they'll be invited back this time


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: You kip if you want to... on June 15, 2014, 04:48:50 pm
Same. The lunatics are now running the asylum. Imagine him on the stage with Mulcair and Trudeau next year...

Would the BQ even be invited to the debates next year?

Yes. Reform was allowed in the '93 debates with only 1 MP (who won a by-election a couple years before). The Greens were invited in 2011 despite having no MP's at the time.

The Greens weren't there in 2011, though they were there in 2008 when they had Liberal turncout Blair Wilson. Presumably they'll be invited back this time

Just discovered that you have a riding called "West Vancouver—Sunshine Coast—Sea to Sky Country". Sounds like somewhere from a fairytale.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on June 15, 2014, 04:59:15 pm
Same. The lunatics are now running the asylum. Imagine him on the stage with Mulcair and Trudeau next year...

Would the BQ even be invited to the debates next year?

Yes. Reform was allowed in the '93 debates with only 1 MP (who won a by-election a couple years before). The Greens were invited in 2011 despite having no MP's at the time.

The Greens weren't there in 2011, though they were there in 2008 when they had Liberal turncout Blair Wilson. Presumably they'll be invited back this time

Just discovered that you have a riding called "West Vancouver—Sunshine Coast—Sea to Sky Country". Sounds like somewhere from a fairytale.

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(in other words, they're having their Liberal Nominations this week, along with North Vancouver and Burnaby Seymour)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 15, 2014, 09:10:59 pm
BQ MP Claude Patry, an NDP defector, might leave. (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201406/15/01-4776025-mario-beaulieu-chef-du-bloc-un-depute-reflechit-a-son-avenir.php)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on June 15, 2014, 11:13:00 pm
Former West Vancouver Mayor Pamala Goldsmith-Jones nominated by the Liberals for West Vancouver-Sunshine Coast-Sea to Sky Country


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 16, 2014, 10:36:36 am
Obviously the BQ has been reduced to the most militant sovereigntists at this point. Good news, for sure.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 16, 2014, 11:14:00 am
Crazy news out of NL: PC leader Frank Coleman is resigning weeks before he was to be sworn in as premier. I've never seen such a f[inks]ing clown show which doesn't involve Rob Ford. At this rate why don't they just call a snap election and get the wipeout over with? No idea what happens next there.

Beaulieu: now says he was mouthing the words. LOL.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 16, 2014, 11:42:58 am
Coleman says an urgent family matter arose. Question's still what the Tories do next. Another leadership race? Snap election? They've only got 7 months left.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hash on June 16, 2014, 12:01:54 pm
Newfoundland PCs unwilling to concede title of "biggest joke party in Canada" to the Bloc.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on June 16, 2014, 12:29:37 pm
Coleman says an urgent family matter arose. Question's still what the Tories do next. Another leadership race? Snap election? They've only got 7 months left.

In 1933 the governing British Columbia Conservative government more or less gave up on having a party and declared every riding association for itself.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 16, 2014, 12:57:04 pm
He's hiding something.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on June 16, 2014, 04:28:00 pm
John Ottenheimer (former MHA, ran in Random-Burin-St. Georges federally in 2011) just threw his hat in the ring. My guess is a coronation followed by a snap election. Best thing to do IMO since that's the only way they'll salvage more than a rump caucus.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 16, 2014, 04:51:06 pm
Speaking of the Bloc, looks like their "caucus" has rallied. (http://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/Politique/2014/06/16/005-deputes-bloc-appel-calme-discour-rassembleur.shtml?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 17, 2014, 12:46:48 pm
Fantastic articles from (http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/canada/411204/onde-de-choc-au-bloc) Le Devoir (http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/canada/411084/le-nous-vaincrons-des-partisans-de-mario-beaulieu-seme-la-discorde) and La Presse (http://www.lapresse.ca/debats/editoriaux/paul-journet/201406/16/01-4776098-le-caillou-dans-la-chaussure.php) on the Bloc. More resignations, more discontent inbound. Sentiment is meh at best. 1 ex-MP thinks they can regain lost QS/ON voters but even she isn't really convinced. Her money quote: « Je ne pense pas que ça fonctionnera, mais j’espère que ça va fonctionner, et qu’il va faire assez de bruit pour qu’il se passe quelque chose. Parce que là, il ne se passe rien. » Could also apply to the PQ.

John Duncan will be challenged for his nomination. (http://www.comoxvalleyecho.com/news/local/duncan-challenged-for-conservative-nomination-in-new-riding-1.1132749)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 17, 2014, 03:57:10 pm
Cabinet has approved Northern Gateway, with 209 conditions.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on June 18, 2014, 02:17:51 pm
Lawrence MacAulay insists he will won't toe the party line over abortion. (http://www.theguardian.pe.ca/News/Local/2014-06-18/article-3767442/P.E.I.-Liberal-MP-says-he-will-vote-pro-life%3B-Trudeau-official-says-no/1)

Good for him.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 18, 2014, 02:22:55 pm
Now he says he will. (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/06/18/lawrence-macaulay-justin-trudeau-abortion_n_5508488.html?utm_hp_ref=canada-politics) Wonder if JT would've expelled MacAulay had he defied the whip.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 18, 2014, 11:23:13 pm
Hilarious: Jodie Emery says she's been recruited to run against Libby Davies. (http://www.straight.com/news/669121/liberals-woo-cannabis-queen-jodie-emery-secret-weapon-ahead-2015-election)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on June 19, 2014, 01:19:15 am
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My riding, but not my cup-o-tea. 

That being said, 'recruited' could mean someone from the Vancouver-East Liberals gave her a phone call. They're a very pro-pot bunch the VanEast Federal Liberal Association is. I'm more of a Quadra-Liberal myself


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on June 19, 2014, 05:36:37 am
Now he says he will. (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/06/18/lawrence-macaulay-justin-trudeau-abortion_n_5508488.html?utm_hp_ref=canada-politics) Wonder if JT would've expelled MacAulay had he defied the whip.

Probably. It's not like the long gun registry where cracking the whip means losing the riding.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 19, 2014, 06:58:30 am
I wonder if the Liberals will try to appear to run to the left of the NDP like they did provincially. Hopefully it will force the NDP to modernize some of their platform (like on marijuana).


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 19, 2014, 07:14:47 am
Wrong brother for that. Though I certainly wouldn't mind if the Grits did try running to your left on some issues.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on June 19, 2014, 09:49:46 am
I wonder if the Liberals will try to appear to run to the left of the NDP like they did provincially. Hopefully it will force the NDP to modernize some of their platform (like on marijuana).

I doubt it, or at least not in the same way. The party's gearing up to run on a fairly neoliberal and social liberal platform, from what I can tell. There's going to be some significant investments on infrastructure, first nations, and the environment, so it would be unfair to call us the 'friendly Tories' as some NDP are fond.  Unless Mulcair improbably goes the-full-Horwath, I imagine that we won't see the same positioning


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on June 19, 2014, 10:58:02 am
New Forum poll

National
Liberal: 39% (+3)
Conservative: 31% (+1)
NDP: 19% (-4)
Green: 5% (nc)
Bloc Quebecois: 4% (-2)

Beaulieu is not panning out... Bloc @ 17% in Quebec.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 19, 2014, 11:51:47 am
Paille didn't pan out either. If it turns out to be a "screwed either way" scenario as those articles suggest, couldn't happen to a nicer bunch. Ironically Levesque vetoed the idea of what was then planned as a PQ federal wing... Parti nationaliste was shut down within a year.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: You kip if you want to... on June 19, 2014, 03:24:20 pm
Sort've a side point, but is there any hope of the NDP at least holding onto opposition next year?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on June 19, 2014, 03:30:25 pm
Sort've a side point, but is there any hope of the NDP at least holding onto opposition next year?

Obligatory wood-knocking asside

No


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 19, 2014, 03:33:45 pm
Sort've a side point, but is there any hope of the NDP at least holding onto opposition next year?

Certainly. I have yet to see any Liberal ROQ strategy, for one...


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 19, 2014, 07:00:32 pm
Looks like a miracle would be required at this point. The Liberal brand is clearly popular once again. Even though there's little connection between the federal Liberals, the fact that by the time of the next election, all but the three Prairie provinces will have Liberal governments (assuming NB and NL flip).


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 19, 2014, 07:28:19 pm
On that subject (http://www.threehundredeight.com/2014/06/may-2014-federal-polling-averages.html#comment-form)... 308's May average has a seat tie despite a nominal 5% Grit PV lead.

Nanos is out: 57L/50C/47N on PPI, 33/28/14 on PPM. (http://www.nanosresearch.com/library/polls/Nanos%20Political%20Index%202014-06-13E.pdf)

Ivison reports that the Grit abortion policy is about shutting down Western pro-life entryism.  (http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/06/19/john-ivison-even-after-amateur-bumbling-on-abortion-leads-to-five-weeks-of-bad-coverage-trudeau-still-looks-golden/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)

MacKay steps in it on female judges. (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/06/19/mackay-defends-suggestion-women-are-too-busy-bonding-with-kids-to-be-judges/#.U6OBOo1OXIV) Hardly his first gender gaffe either.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 21, 2014, 07:17:41 am
Leger out: (http://www.ledevoir.com/documents/pdf/sondage21juin.pdf) 34/34/17/12 but 39/25/22/12 among Francophones. Provincially 40/27/20/9, 32/29/24 among Francophones.



Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: You kip if you want to... on June 21, 2014, 02:04:57 pm
Leger out: (http://www.ledevoir.com/documents/pdf/sondage21juin.pdf) 34/34/17/12 but 39/25/22/12 among Francophones. Provincially 40/27/20/9, 32/29/24 among Francophones.



Lol PQ


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on June 21, 2014, 06:20:50 pm
Leger out: (http://www.ledevoir.com/documents/pdf/sondage21juin.pdf) 34/34/17/12 but 39/25/22/12 among Francophones. Provincially 40/27/20/9, 32/29/24 among Francophones.

So if the separatist threat is no more, is there any chance Anglos will stop voting PLQ more than blacks vote Democrat?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 21, 2014, 06:35:40 pm
Perhaps if the NDPQ runs.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: You kip if you want to... on June 21, 2014, 06:38:56 pm
Did Anglos flock to the ADQ after 2007? No


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on June 21, 2014, 06:56:21 pm
Did Anglos flock to the ADQ after 2007? No

Sort of. Anglo seats went 70-15 instead of 85-5


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on June 21, 2014, 07:08:05 pm
Leger out: (http://www.ledevoir.com/documents/pdf/sondage21juin.pdf) 34/34/17/12 but 39/25/22/12 among Francophones. Provincially 40/27/20/9, 32/29/24 among Francophones.

Playing around with my proportional swing model, the Bloc still have a fighting chance in Plamondon & Bellavance's seats (down 0.5% & 1.4% to the NDP)

EDIT: Also the Grit's ROQ still sucks. My model has the Libs head in only 5 ROQ seats. Hull, Louis-Hebert, one in the Townships, and two in the Gaspe.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 21, 2014, 08:48:24 pm
The Anglo PLQ alignment originates in the '30s. Mixture of small-l liberal/federalist ideology and TEH SCARY NATS. Even in 1948 urban Anglos kept the PLQ alive.

Liberal Senator Andree Champagne is retiring.  (http://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/Politique/2014/06/21/003-retraite-senatrice-andre-champagne.shtml?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)Hopefully Harper fills the Senate vacancies ASAP.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Poirot on June 22, 2014, 08:30:33 pm
Andrée Champagne is a Conservative Senator even though she was appointed by Paul Martin. She was a Progressive-Conservative MP during the Mulroney years.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 23, 2014, 02:40:59 pm
308 crunches Leger: (http://www.threehundredeight.com/2014/06/leger-puts-liberals-and-ndp-in-tie-in.html) 51/23/4. BQ shutout.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 24, 2014, 05:57:40 pm
CTV's Bob Fife rates the Cabinet in his annual "Making the Grade" series. 5-day series that started yesterday. Also interesting cause 3/4 guys on this list are current or future leadership hopefuls.

Kenney: A+
Aglukkaq: F
MacKay: C-
Moore: B+
Poilievre: B


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 25, 2014, 07:46:19 am
U de M's Pierre Martin: BQ at best keeps a seat or 2, more likely gets wiped out. Keep our fingers crossed. (http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/canada/411815/le-dernier-chef-du-bloc-quebecois#Scene_1) ;D


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 25, 2014, 08:16:03 am
CTV's Bob Fife rates the Cabinet in his annual "Making the Grade" series. 5-day series that started yesterday. Also interesting cause 3/4 guys on this list are current or future leadership hopefuls.

Kenney: A+
Aglukkaq: F
MacKay: C-
Moore: B+
Poilievre: B

Poilievre should be an F as well.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 25, 2014, 09:14:01 am
Low-wage TFW program may be phased out in 2016.  (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/elimination-of-foreign-worker-program-will-be-on-the-table-in-2016/article19322845/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 26, 2014, 08:22:59 am
F-35 decision will be delayed. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-to-put-hold-on-jet-fighter-purchase/article19346094/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on June 27, 2014, 05:16:03 am
Low-wage TFW program may be phased out in 2016.  (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/elimination-of-foreign-worker-program-will-be-on-the-table-in-2016/article19322845/)

Good riddance. Every argument I heard for TFW's was also a good argument to increase wages :P


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 27, 2014, 07:07:33 am
It's a tricky topic, because I wonder how much of the opposition to the TFW program is latent racism? Surely foreigners deserve jobs too. Wish they weren't low wage or temporary though.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on June 27, 2014, 11:02:33 am
It's a tricky topic, because I wonder how much of the opposition to the TFW program is latent racism? Surely foreigners deserve jobs too. Wish they weren't low wage or temporary though.

Precisely.  I've never understood why we should try to write out much of the world from the benefits of growth, but that doesn't mean we should allow businesses to import workers without rights


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 27, 2014, 06:10:53 pm
A sitting Tory MLA in New Brunswick will be running for the NDP in the provincial election in September. Exciting! Not sure if he is switching his allegiance in the Assembly, but it would bring the NDP seat total there up to 1 :)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 27, 2014, 06:16:27 pm
NB & NL will be the dullest campaigns in a while.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on June 27, 2014, 08:35:03 pm
A sitting Tory MLA in New Brunswick will be running for the NDP in the provincial election in September. Exciting! Not sure if he is switching his allegiance in the Assembly, but it would bring the NDP seat total there up to 1 :)

Presumably no, unless the NDP have suddenly decided to make an exception in their floor crossing rules


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 28, 2014, 07:09:19 am
A sitting Tory MLA in New Brunswick will be running for the NDP in the provincial election in September. Exciting! Not sure if he is switching his allegiance in the Assembly, but it would bring the NDP seat total there up to 1 :)

Presumably no, unless the NDP have suddenly decided to make an exception in their floor crossing rules

That may be just a federal policy, but good point. Perhaps we will be an independent. The NB legislature still has him being PC, but the PCs have already removed him from their website.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 28, 2014, 11:33:53 am
Angus-Reid out: 31C/30L/27N. (http://www.angusreidglobal.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/2014.06.27-ARG-National-Voter-Intention.pdf) MOE changes from last month below the topline.

Advance poll turnout almost the same as 2011 in TrinSpa.  (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/the-nanos-number-1.1134156)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on June 28, 2014, 01:10:04 pm
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Alberta projection roughly from the Leger Poll (don't have proper cross tabs yet)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on June 29, 2014, 01:50:01 am
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Alberta projection roughly from the Leger Poll (don't have proper cross tabs yet)

Overall, I could certainly see a map very similar to this one emerging from an election with these numbers.  However, I do have comments about a handful of these ridings:

1. Calgary-Elbow: This is Alison Reford's seat, and is undoubtably coloured blue here due to her strong performance in 2012 (she got 58%, which was roughly double the percentage received by the 2nd place (Wildrose) candidate, and was the strongest showing by a PC in Calgary in 2012).  However, given all that has gone on in the past few months, there is no doubt that she would lose this time around if she decided to run again for some reason.  If she decides to retire, the chances of another PC candidate holding the riding depends largely on the PC's ability to hold Liberal voters.  The Liberals consistently received at least 30% in Calgary-Elbow between in every election from 1989 to 2008, including a 2007 by-election that they won.  If they were to gain back their old voters, the Liberals could conceivably win this riding.  If the PCs keep the voters that they brought over last time (unlikely), they'll keep it.  Otherwise, a vote split between the PCs and ALP could allow the WRP to pick up this seat

2. Calgary-McCall: Currently held by Liberal MLA Darshan Kang, this is a lower-income, immigrant-heavy riding, and results have even greater dependence than usual on parties' GOTV efforts.  Last election, Kang's 6.4% margin over the WRP candidate represented a mere 671 votes.  The Liberals never won here until Kang's 2008 victory, and although they seem to have a fairly solid base of about 25-30% of voters here, their current strength seems to be partially based on having him as the MLA.  Since he's running federally in Calgary Skyview in 2015, it is likely that he will step down before the next election.  I'm not saying that the Liberals will lose without him, but given the closeness of ALP, WRP, and PC results last time, and the nature of the riding, this seat can't be counted on by the ALP to stay red.

3.  Other Calgary ridings with PC incumbents: especially since this new poll actually shows a tightening race, I find it doubtful that all 18(-ish, dependent on future events) PC MLAs would lose their seats.  Some MLAs such as Ken Hughes (Calgary-West) and Manmeet Bhullar (Calgary-Greenway) seem to be well-respected, and had fairly good margins of victory in 2012.  I certainly wouldn't count some of them out quite yet.  Additionally, if my absolutely-not-conclusively-proven belief that Chinese-Canadians are a fairly PC-friendly voting bloc, this factor could help PC incumbents in Northwest Calgary to hold on to their seats.

4. Calgary-Currie and Calgary-Varsity: These ridings are coloured red due to their higher-than-average ALP vote shares in 2012.  In both cases, these ridings had ALP incumbents who retired in 2012, and both of these ridings elected PC candidates in the election.  Now, depending on the ALP candidates in these ridings, they certainly could present pickup opportunities.  After all, both of these ridngs do contain fairly progressive (for Calgary, in any case) neighborhoods.  Other factors could come into play though, especially in Calgary-Varsity, where incumbent MLA Donna Kennedy-Glans is currently an Independent, and it is unknown whether she will run for re-election and/or rejoin the PC caucus before the next election.  

5. St. Albert: I find it very hard to believe that this riding would go Wildrose.  It is another one of those ridings that I consider to be fairly progressive, for Alberta, and it has a history of electing progressive MLAs (it voted NDP in 1989, and Liberal in 1993 and 2004).  Like Calgary-Elbow, this riding has had a solid Liberal base in its recent history, and it would appear that the 2012 election saw the majority of past Liberal voters voting PC.  However, even if ALL of those voters went back, the PCs would still be neck-and-neck with the WRP here, and I believe that the PCs would ultimately pull off a victory.

6. Edmonton-Manning: the NDP did perform well here in 2012.  Considering that the NDP vote in Edmonton is MUCH lower in the suburbs compared to the more central parts of the city, the NDP vote share here strikes me as a little odd.  Now, I don't know the particular reason why they did so well here last time, and I don't have any evidence for why they woudn't continue to improve.  It's just a gut feeling of mine to be skeptical of possible NDP gains in the Edmonton suburbs.

7. Fort McMurray-Wood Buffalo: This riding is likely coloured green due to the WRP's heightened performance here in 2012 (they had an incumbent MLA; a floor-crosser).  Additionally, both of the Fort McMurray ridings seem to vote quite uniformly.  While this could mean that FM-Conklin would go WRP, the more likely occurance given the PC strength in Northern Rural Alberta would be a PC victory in both ridings.

8. Barrhead-Morinville-Westlock: I only mention this riding because the WRP candidate in 2012 was fairly high profile, which could skew the results here.  Additionally, the local PC association has an extremely large warchest (approximately $175,000).  While money spent is by no means a guarantee of victory, their monetary reserve here will certainly come in handy.  

9. Red Deer North: This riding did have a high result for the ALP compared to a lot of other ridings (they got 17%), but the Liberals don't have a history of winning here.  I could be wrong, but this seat would likely be a PC-WRP tossup.

10. Lethbridge East: unlike RD North, this riding was Liberal turf from 1993 to 2011, when incumbent MLA Bridget Pastoor crossed the floor to the PCs.  In 2012, she appeared to take a very large amount of her former voters with her to the PCs.  If this was due to her personal popularity, then she should be able to hold the riding for the PCs.  Otherwise, I could legitimately see this goin back to the ALP.

11. Banff-Cochrane: While this is likely the most progressive rural riding in Alberta, the Liberals have never come close to winning this, even in the Liberal surge of 1993.  The PCs will even be lucky to hold onto this riding, although it is possible if they manage to hold and build on their numbers from 2012, specifically in Banff and Canmore.

EDIT: It will be interesting to see what effect, if any, crosstabs will have on this projection.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on June 29, 2014, 06:55:46 am
Not proper cross tabs, but still:

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You still voting Tory next time Njall?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 29, 2014, 10:18:08 am
Love seeing all that orange in Edmonton, but remember that Brendan is just using a uniform proportional swing model with no riding adjustments (and why would he so far from the next election?)

Interestingly, these numbers give the WRP a one seat majority. Now, that's exciting.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on June 29, 2014, 10:58:26 am
You still voting Tory next time Njall?

I certainly will, although the biggest reason for my doing so is my desire to see my own MLA (Linda Johnson) re-elected.  She's a very hardworking MLA, and she's quite visible within the constituency.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 29, 2014, 11:07:39 am
Do you consider yourself an "orange Tory"?



Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 29, 2014, 03:46:08 pm
Joe Preston is retiring next year. (http://www.am980.ca/2014/06/29/joe-preston-to/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on June 30, 2014, 01:26:31 am
Do you consider yourself an "orange Tory"?

To an extent, yes (presuming that I'm correctly inferring the meaning of "orange Tory").  I'm a proud and active member of the PC party here in Alberta, but I have absolutely no support for the federal Conservative Party (with the exception of certain individuals, such as Ted Menzies, whom I view positively).  Broadly speaking, I would define myself as having centre-left economic views and centre(-right) social/cultural views.  I want the government to be fiscally responsible, but I would rather the government temporarily run deficits/pick up moderate levels of debt instead of cutting program and infrastructure spending when times are bad.  Admittedly, if the NDP was a viable player in Calgary, I would have a harder time picking between the two parties.  But aside from certain policy items such as the flat tax (I prefer progressive tax systems) and alternative energy (while I believe in the importance of the oils ands, I also believe that we should be focusing more on alternative sources, especially solar), I feel quite at home in the current incarnation of the PC party.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on June 30, 2014, 03:25:37 am
care to elaborate on your social conservatism?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 30, 2014, 06:14:51 pm
Do you consider yourself an "orange Tory"?

To an extent, yes (presuming that I'm correctly inferring the meaning of "orange Tory").  I'm a proud and active member of the PC party here in Alberta, but I have absolutely no support for the federal Conservative Party (with the exception of certain individuals, such as Ted Menzies, whom I view positively).  Broadly speaking, I would define myself as having centre-left economic views and centre(-right) social/cultural views.  I want the government to be fiscally responsible, but I would rather the government temporarily run deficits/pick up moderate levels of debt instead of cutting program and infrastructure spending when times are bad.  Admittedly, if the NDP was a viable player in Calgary, I would have a harder time picking between the two parties.  But aside from certain policy items such as the flat tax (I prefer progressive tax systems) and alternative energy (while I believe in the importance of the oils ands, I also believe that we should be focusing more on alternative sources, especially solar), I feel quite at home in the current incarnation of the PC party.

Your PC scores in your profile show that you're left socially as well. Unless your views have changed?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 30, 2014, 10:59:55 pm
Happy Canada Day everyone! ;D


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on July 01, 2014, 03:16:29 am
Do you consider yourself an "orange Tory"?

To an extent, yes (presuming that I'm correctly inferring the meaning of "orange Tory").  I'm a proud and active member of the PC party here in Alberta, but I have absolutely no support for the federal Conservative Party (with the exception of certain individuals, such as Ted Menzies, whom I view positively).  Broadly speaking, I would define myself as having centre-left economic views and centre(-right) social/cultural views.  I want the government to be fiscally responsible, but I would rather the government temporarily run deficits/pick up moderate levels of debt instead of cutting program and infrastructure spending when times are bad.  Admittedly, if the NDP was a viable player in Calgary, I would have a harder time picking between the two parties.  But aside from certain policy items such as the flat tax (I prefer progressive tax systems) and alternative energy (while I believe in the importance of the oils ands, I also believe that we should be focusing more on alternative sources, especially solar), I feel quite at home in the current incarnation of the PC party.

Your PC scores in your profile show that you're left socially as well. Unless your views have changed?

Those scores are from back when I first registered for the forum.  At that time, I wasn't nearly as involved in local and provincial politics as I am now, and I had a tendency to take strong policy positions without much regard for the positive and negative consequences of having those beliefs enacted.  Anyways, I ran the test again, and my econ. score is apparently unchanged at -5.68, but my social score is now supposedly -0.17.



care to elaborate on your social conservatism?

A more accurate description of my social views would be that I am a social moderate (in the Canadian context; if I was living in the US I would certainly be a social liberal), tilting conservative on a few issues, and with a moderately conservative attitude about change.  I am certainly very far from the textbook definition of a socon.  For instance, I am completely supportive of same-sex marriage and homosexual rights.  That said, I don't always hold positions that are that straightforward.

Regarding the abortion debate, I would consider myself to be pro-choice.  Safe, legal access to abortions is a much preferable status quo to having multitudes of illegal abortions.  However, abortion without a concrete reason (such as a medical concern) becomes much less palatable to me after the first trimester.  I would also like to see contraceptive use promoted as much as possible, so that the need for abortions to be performed in the first place can be reduced.

Overall, I have a fairly anti-drug attitude.  I don't count myself as supportive of marijuana legalization, and would be completely against it if it wasn't for the paradox of marijuana being illegal while alcohol and tobacco (generally considered to be more damaging) are legal.  At this point in time, I would support marijuana decriminalization and refocusing efforts to target marijuana dealers rather than users, but I can't say that I support outright legalization.  With other drugs, I would be uncomfortable even with decriminalization. 

I wouldn't consider myself to be very religious, but I do still believe in strong morals.  And while I don't personally participate, I do appreciate the (oftentimes, not always) valuable role that religious institutions play in our society.

On the topic of institutions, I am also a staunch monarchist, and I believe in a strong, well-funded military (again, in the Canadian context; the Americans do certainly need to cut their defense budget).  I would also be open to making all Canadian youths spend a certain period of time (say, a year) in the military, with a civil service alternative for those who are completely opposed to military service.  I find that many people of my generation have a shocking lack of respect for authority figures.

That's the best I can do at explaining it, for now.  I tend to focus more on economic issues, and my opinions about those issues tend to be stronger and more well-defined as a result.


Happy Canada Day everyone! ;D

And the same to you! :)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on July 01, 2014, 11:31:08 am
socially liberal except on drugs? Sounds like NDP policy :P

It's certainly strange to see someone become more socially conservative over time. It's usually the other way around.

Happy Canada Day everyone! ;D

And a happy Dominion Day to you :D


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Barnes on July 01, 2014, 01:08:28 pm
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A very happy Canada Day to all our friends to the north! ;)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on July 01, 2014, 03:07:30 pm
It's certainly strange to see someone become more socially conservative over time. It's usually the other way around.

You've been hanging out on Atlas too much ;)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on July 01, 2014, 05:03:17 pm
It's certainly strange to see someone become more socially conservative over time. It's usually the other way around.

You've been hanging out on Atlas too much ;)

Apparently njall hasn't ;)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on July 01, 2014, 09:39:11 pm
Sylvain Gaudreault, PQ MNA for Jonquière and former Transportation and Municipal Affairs minister had been gravely injuried after a fall while biking.

Same thing happened to Péladeau 2 months ago. PQ MNAs should stay far away from cycles.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on July 01, 2014, 10:14:13 pm
Perhaps one can blame Quebec drivers. They're the one's I fear the most when I'm biking around town ;) (Mostly because they're less familiar with the roads to be fair)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on July 01, 2014, 10:17:16 pm
Perhaps one can blame Quebec drivers. They're the one's I fear the most when I'm biking around town ;) (Mostly because they're less familiar with the roads to be fair)

Both crashes aren't involving cars (but bad concrete/public works).

And yes, Quebec drivers are horrible and have no respect for pedestrians/bikes. It's much better elsewhere in North America.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on July 01, 2014, 10:22:40 pm
Perhaps one can blame Quebec drivers. They're the one's I fear the most when I'm biking around town ;) (Mostly because they're less familiar with the roads to be fair)

Both crashes aren't involving cars (but bad concrete/public works).

So, just trading one stereotype for another.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on July 02, 2014, 02:58:36 am
Perhaps one can blame Quebec drivers. They're the one's I fear the most when I'm biking around town ;) (Mostly because they're less familiar with the roads to be fair)

Both crashes aren't involving cars (but bad concrete/public works).

So, just trading one stereotype for another.

I find all you easterners to have abhorant habits towards cyclists on the roads


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on July 02, 2014, 08:14:04 am
Perhaps one can blame Quebec drivers. They're the one's I fear the most when I'm biking around town ;) (Mostly because they're less familiar with the roads to be fair)

Both crashes aren't involving cars (but bad concrete/public works).

So, just trading one stereotype for another.

I find all you easterners to have abhorant habits towards cyclists on the roads

Don't look at me, I'm the victim in this scenario. 


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on July 02, 2014, 08:48:52 am
Multiple reports that Jean Garon has died. RIP.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Poirot on July 02, 2014, 09:31:45 pm
Marie-Claude Morin, NDP MP Saint-Hyacinthe-Bagot, will not run in 2015.

http://www.lapresse.ca/la-voix-de-lest/actualites/201407/01/01-4780313-pas-de-nouveau-mandat-pour-marie-claude-morin.php (http://www.lapresse.ca/la-voix-de-lest/actualites/201407/01/01-4780313-pas-de-nouveau-mandat-pour-marie-claude-morin.php)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on July 02, 2014, 09:42:57 pm
Paul Manly, son of former NDP BC MP Jim Manly, has been vetoed in Nanaimo-Ladysmith.  (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ndp-blocks-paul-manly-son-of-former-mp-from-seeking-2015-bid-in-b-c-1.2694452?cmp=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)Claims his Mideast views, which are closer to Davies than Mulcair, are why.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on July 03, 2014, 03:03:48 pm
MP LaVar Payne (Medicine Hat) will retire next year. (https://twitter.com/davidakin/status/484788954529800194)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on July 03, 2014, 04:30:37 pm
Question for the guys with projection models:

I'm making my own model and I want to have a column that has the winner of each seat so I can do seat counts and quickly check who won each seat.

ie.
       A        B       C            D
1   Tory Liberal NDP     Winner
2    40%   30%  30%      Tory

The problem is, I'm having trouble coming with a formula to spit out the winner of each seat.

My current attempt is =LOOKUP(MAX(A2:C2), A2:C2, A1:C1), which sort of works. If the NDP, Bloc or Greens win the seat the cell correctly states the winner. However, if the Tories or Liberals win the seat, it says the Greens are the winner :P

Thoughts?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: True Federalist on July 03, 2014, 08:01:03 pm
Disclaimer I use OpenOffice, not Excel, so it's possible your mileage may vary.

LOOKUP requires that the vector you are searching be in ascending order, not random order, so that is probably what is giving you problems.
Anyway, the method in OpenOffice that doesn't require sorting anything first involves using the MATCH and OFFSET functions.  (IIRC, OpenOffice uses semicolons where Excel uses commas, so translate as needed.)

=OFFSET(A$1;0;MATCH(MAX(A2:C2);A2:C2;0)-1) is the formula I'd use in OpenOffice to find the winner.  You may need to adjust a few things to get them to work in Excel.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on July 03, 2014, 08:24:08 pm
Thanks Ernest, it works great!


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on July 03, 2014, 08:28:57 pm
NDP parliamentary staff has split with UNIFOR, political in nature. (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/07/03/federal-ndp-staffers-split-with-union-that-urged-strategic-voting-in-ontario/#.U7YCE41OXIW)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on July 04, 2014, 08:35:08 am
NDP parliamentary staff has split with UNIFOR, political in nature. (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/07/03/federal-ndp-staffers-split-with-union-that-urged-strategic-voting-in-ontario/#.U7YCE41OXIW)

Good riddance.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on July 04, 2014, 02:53:47 pm
Good reads from Wells (http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/the-battle-for-pm-is-closer-than-we-think/) and Ling (http://looniepolitics.com/330-days-election/) on the state of play.

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Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 04, 2014, 07:02:57 pm
Trudeau makes Harper look down to Earth.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on July 04, 2014, 07:04:36 pm
^ First time I've ever heard that.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on July 08, 2014, 12:44:46 am
It would appear that Mike Allen (MLA for Fort McMurray-Wood Buffalo) has rejoined the PC caucus; a fact that I was unaware of until I ran into him at tonight's Calgary-West PC Association Stampede barbeque.

Looks like caucus voted on and approved his re-entry at a meeting this week.  For those who don't remember, Allen left caucus last summer after attempting to hire two "prostitutes" (who were actually undercover cops) while on a government trip to Minnesota.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on July 08, 2014, 01:58:49 am
Looks like caucus voted on and approved his re-entry at a meeting this week.  For those who don't remember, Allen left caucus last summer after attempting to hire two "prostitutes" (who were actually undercover cops) while on a government trip to Minnesota.

What a waste of taxpayers money.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on July 08, 2014, 11:52:57 am
In other news, it looks like Alberta's license plates will no longer proclaim the province to be "Wild Rose Country"

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Albertans will get a chance to vote – probably online – on one of three new license plate designs that will be unveiled Tuesday, government sources say.

The scenes will show “Alberta’s majestic beauty,” said one official.

Although only one plate design will be chosen for general use, Albertans will also be able to buy some specialty designs to be introduced later

Gone forever will be the slogan “Wild Rose Country,” also the name of the Official Opposition Wildrose party, a coincidence that has irked the Progressive Conservatives for years.

Apparently there won’t be a new slogan, however. The plate will simply show “Alberta”- and perhaps the government web  address, a trend being adopted by several U.S. states.

Police forces all over Alberta will likely be happy because the province will finally use reflective sheeting that allows plates to be seen from much greater distances at night. Alberta will be one of the final North American jurisdictions to adopt the sheeting.

The licence plate remake began during era of former Premier Ed Stelmach, but was abandoned because of cost. A background reason, though, was government worry about starting a political firestorm over the slogan.

One suggestion then was the official provincial motto, “Strong and Free,” which many Albertans wanted but others felt was too American-sounding.

Now the government seems ready to solve that dilemma by omitting a slogan entirely.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on July 08, 2014, 06:45:52 pm
SK, NB to join national securities regulator. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/saskatchewan-new-brunswick-to-join-national-securities-regulator/article19517100/?cmpid=rss1&click=dlvr.it)

^ Nenshi pwned them on Twitter by asking if they realize there's also an Alberta Party. That said, Wildrose should switch it back if they win.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on July 08, 2014, 06:58:48 pm
How on earth is a line from O Canada "too American sounding"?

This license plate thing is a joke. No reason to change it. Alberta and Quebec both have the most awesome license plate mottos.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on July 08, 2014, 07:10:19 pm
"Je me souviens" (I remember) is very ironic for a province which keep to reelect a very corrupt political party.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Vosem on July 08, 2014, 07:22:15 pm
"Wild Rose Country" sounds amazing and, from the little I've seen of Alberta, is quite accurate. It'd be a shame if they dropped it.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 08, 2014, 07:24:04 pm
If the NDP win in Sask, will they change the name of the state in case it looks bias to the Sask Party?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on July 08, 2014, 07:35:27 pm
If the NDP win in Sask, will they change the name of the state in case it looks bias to the Sask Party?

Sask Party leader has approvals in the 60-70, so, NDP winning won't happen.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: You kip if you want to... on July 08, 2014, 07:37:01 pm
If the NDP win in Sask, will they change the name of the state in case it looks bias to the Sask Party?

Sask Party leader has approvals in the 60-70, so, NDP winning won't happen.

That's not what I meant...


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on July 08, 2014, 07:37:18 pm
If the NDP win in Sask, will they change the name of the state in case it looks bias to the Sask Party?

Canada doesn't have states. :P


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on July 09, 2014, 03:14:38 am
Here are the proposed new license plate designs. (http://alberta.ca/licence-plate-survey.cfm)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: True Federalist on July 09, 2014, 03:58:17 am
They all look fairly insipid.  #3 is best IMO, but only because the web address is clearly visible in it.  With a lighter shade of grass, #2 would be best, but as I said they all are insipid, primarily because they are so generic.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on July 09, 2014, 06:49:11 am
Are they doing this now because they lack a proper Premier who can be blamed for such shenanigans? Maybe Newfoundland can do something sneaky too for the same reason.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on July 09, 2014, 05:26:33 pm
On a more serious subject, Ivison sees the push for internal trade as a preview of the next Tory leadership battle. (http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/07/09/john-ivison-is-the-new-canada-free-trade-zone-the-first-move-in-a-future-tory-leadership-battle/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter) As I've said before, I highly doubt Wall runs. The whole thing is somewhat academic since whoever the next leader probably loses a general election either from government or opposition. Which isn't to say I won't support Kenney strongly - I will - but I'm under no illusions he'd be PM for very long if Harper passed the baton.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on July 10, 2014, 05:04:43 am
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Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on July 10, 2014, 07:11:29 am
look at the polling dates, DC. Probably the second worst week in the year for polling, after Dec 25-Jan 1.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on July 10, 2014, 04:55:59 pm
And I suspect than the sponsor, the Ontario Convenience Stores Association, being a business association, leans to the right.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on July 14, 2014, 08:59:48 pm
Maclean's long read on aboriginal education.  (http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/why-fixing-first-nations-education-remains-so-far-out-of-reach/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on July 14, 2014, 10:24:46 pm
And I suspect than the sponsor, the Ontario Convenience Stores Association, being a business association, leans to the right.

Does John Tory have connections with them? Why would they sponsor a poll?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on July 15, 2014, 02:30:53 am
And I suspect than the sponsor, the Ontario Convenience Stores Association, being a business association, leans to the right.

Does John Tory have connections with them? Why would they sponsor a poll?

Well, their website is showing right-wing ideas. I suppose they want to back a reasonable right-wing candidate. They were apprently very involved against the proposed Toronto ban of plastic bags (it was withdrew for legal reasons, the city was doubting they had the power to pass it). I suspect they want an ally in the City Hall if the idea pops back again.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on July 15, 2014, 11:06:55 pm
Paul Manly is pretty steamed at the Dipper national executive, but this author goes way overboard with calling Dipper Mideast differences a "civil war." (http://www.ipolitics.ca/2014/07/15/the-ndps-simmering-civil-war-over-gaza/) As I said earlier, if Manly wants another shot, seems better to keep his head down than pull an Innes.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on July 16, 2014, 11:26:11 pm
Mike Duffy will be criminally charged tomorrow, per the Globe and Star. No link yet. Wright may have to testify.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on July 19, 2014, 07:32:15 am
Kent Hehr (Liberal MLA for Calgary-Buffalo) will seek the Federal Liberal nomination in Calgary Centre for 2015. (http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/politics/Kent+Hehr+seek+federal+liberal+nomination+Calgary+Centre/10038440/story.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: King of Kensington on July 20, 2014, 12:53:46 am
Looks like the Liberals under Trudeau are putting together a pretty strong team of high profile municipal and provincial politicians moving "up" - Adam Vaughan in Toronto, Cote St. Luc mayor Anthony Housefather in Montreal and now Kent Hehr in Calgary. 



Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on July 22, 2014, 02:31:48 pm
Den Tandt on Tory leadership.  (http://o.canada.com/news/politics-and-the-nation/would-tories-be-better-off-without-stephen-harper#.U863rVs1ApI.twitter)My notes: MacKay and Baird are not interested, Moore is the Red standard-bearer, I'm iffy on this Raitt bubble, Bernier should be included, and swap Rempel as the round-after-next contender for Poilievre. As for Den Tandt's underlying question: NO.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on July 23, 2014, 11:19:51 pm
LOL Ibbitson, you were right the first time on Grit FP.  (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/little-daylight-between-harper-and-trudeaus-foreign-policy/article19722084/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on July 26, 2014, 03:23:56 pm
Trudeau will be feted in Chester. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/gin-and-jaguar-set-to-fete-trudeau-on-former-tory-turf/article19787702/) DC, how would you rate Grit chances there next year?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on July 27, 2014, 03:15:13 pm
Trudeau will be feted in Chester. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/gin-and-jaguar-set-to-fete-trudeau-on-former-tory-turf/article19787702/) DC, how would you rate Grit chances there next year?

There are a lot of factors going against the Liberals in the riding (no organization, Tory-NDP riding etc.), but they should still pick it up due to the sheer size of their lead in Atlantic Canada. I see it going something like 38-30-30.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on July 28, 2014, 08:43:54 pm
My newest project is mapping religion by 2013 riding. It wqill be a long time before I can discuss with maps, but here's an interesting preliminary result.

The most Pentecostal riding in the country is Coast of Bays-Central, Notre Dame, with 19% of the riding identifying as Pentecostal!


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on July 28, 2014, 09:15:10 pm
Looking forward to it.

Historical question: why, in the 19th and early 20th century, were certain LGs so abusive of the reserve power? One thing if there's a confidence issue, another to act completely independently of the government and fire premiers. IMO scandal is for voters to judge, criminality for courts. Here in QC thinking of Boucherville and Mercier.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on July 28, 2014, 09:57:41 pm
Beaulieu's big idea is a permanent campaign on selling sovereignty... reminds me of those "citizens' initiatives" the PQ floated a couple of years ago. Boulerice states the obvious, namely that sovereigntists or hard nationalists (like himself) are much more Dipper than Grit-compatible.  (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/hardline-separatist-leader-of-bloc-quebecois-faces-party-divisions/article19800390/?cmpid=rss1)

CEFTA trouble? (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/eu-trade-deal-troubles-denied-by-canadian-german-officials-1.2720550)

Chinese cyberattack at National Research Council. (http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/chinese-cyberattack-forces-computer-shutdown-at-national-research-council-1.1936483)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on July 29, 2014, 08:40:23 am
My newest project is mapping religion by 2013 riding. It wqill be a long time before I can discuss with maps, but here's an interesting preliminary result.

The most Pentecostal riding in the country is Coast of Bays-Central, Notre Dame, with 19% of the riding identifying as Pentecostal!

Newfoundland had a public Pentecostal School Board at one point, I believe.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on July 29, 2014, 02:48:07 pm
Redford's in the news again for the usual reasons. Wildrose wants RCMP to investigate breach of trust.  (http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/edmonton/Tories+caught+Redford+airplane+controversy/10072479/story.html)

More Mideast stuff. (http://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/columnists/the-anti-zionist-mob-turns-its-attentions-to-green-party-president-paul-estrin)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hash on July 29, 2014, 03:49:10 pm
My newest project is mapping religion by 2013 riding. It wqill be a long time before I can discuss with maps, but here's an interesting preliminary result.

The most Pentecostal riding in the country is Coast of Bays-Central, Notre Dame, with 19% of the riding identifying as Pentecostal!

So fetch. It's a pity people haven't made more maps or compiled more stats from the NHS data, which is still pretty interesting despite statistical issues with it. There's a ton of really interesting stuff which would be cool to map. I'd do it if I had time and the computer know-how (shockingly StatsCan are incompetent buffoons when it comes to making stats user-friendly and accessible).


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on July 29, 2014, 11:13:30 pm
They are quick to fix glitches if you complain though. Their geosearch app was down for a few weeks(!) it seems, but they fixed it within hours of me emailing them. The guy who fixed it even called me at work to tell me!


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 01, 2014, 07:34:26 pm
Libman wants to run for the Tories in Mount Royal. (http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/robert-libman-wants-to-run-for-tories-in-liberal-bastion-1.1943224)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 01, 2014, 10:31:48 pm
Adams withdraws from the ONB nomination race for health reasons (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tory-mp-eve-adams-quits-bitter-nomination-race-cites-health-1.2725861?cmp=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter), no word if she'll seek renomination in her current riding.

CETA to be signed in September. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-to-clinch-trade-deal-with-eu-in-september-1.2724350)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on August 01, 2014, 10:53:12 pm
Funny how they call ONB a safe Tory seat when it just went Liberal in the provincial election.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on August 02, 2014, 09:12:17 am
Libman wants to run for the Tories in Mount Royal. (http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/robert-libman-wants-to-run-for-tories-in-liberal-bastion-1.1943224)

RB, I assume that would be bad for the party?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 02, 2014, 09:35:09 am
Why? He wouldn't win but we'd at least have a decent candidate. Only realistic targets are regaining 2011 losses, which I'm not terribly optimistic about ATM.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on August 02, 2014, 10:16:37 am
Mount Royal is one of two Tory targets in Montreal (the other is Pierrefonds-Dollard). With Trudeau as leader, it might be impossible for the Tories to win the riding, but I feel it is trending Conservative, as the Jewish vote coalesces to them.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on August 02, 2014, 11:44:44 am
Why? He wouldn't win but we'd at least have a decent candidate. Only realistic targets are regaining 2011 losses, which I'm not terribly optimistic about ATM.

Oh, I remember reading something about the Equality Party blowing up or some such. Thought he might've been tainted by that.

Mount Royal is one of two Tory targets in Montreal (the other is Pierrefonds-Dollard). With Trudeau as leader, it might be impossible for the Tories to win the riding, but I feel it is trending Conservative, as the Jewish vote coalesces to them.

I could see it going Tory the next time they win government.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 02, 2014, 12:04:36 pm
That was 20 years ago. He wants to run for us, not the PLQ.  As for Mount Royal, IMO winning would require a good Tory year and a superior candidate, targeting both Jews and Asians. In 2011 the latter were key to Cotler's victory, he lost the Jewish vote.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on August 02, 2014, 03:17:36 pm
Why? He wouldn't win but we'd at least have a decent candidate. Only realistic targets are regaining 2011 losses, which I'm not terribly optimistic about ATM.

I think it would hurt Tories in Quebec. French media will probably use that to gang up on them.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 02, 2014, 03:30:02 pm
See my previous post. I'm sure there will be a media gang-up... but on the usual policy stuff, not  things an Anglo candidate in an Anglo riding did over 20 years ago in a different arena.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Angel of Death on August 02, 2014, 06:32:52 pm
Can anyone explain to me why Harper and Baird are such Israel-firsters? Did they grow up on a kibbutz or something?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 04, 2014, 08:57:16 am
Eve Adams profile. (http://www.macleans.ca/politics/all-about-eve/)

Daniel Blaikie will seek the NDP nomination in Elmwood-Transcona.  (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/daniel-blaikie-hopes-to-restore-ndp-legacy-in-father-s-old-winnipeg-riding-1.2726823)

Couple of weeks old, but here's a great French profile of the Royal 22nd at its 100th.  (http://www.lactualite.com/societe/le-22e-regiment-a-100-ans/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on August 04, 2014, 04:41:18 pm
Daniel Blaikie will seek the NDP nomination in Elmwood-Transcona.  (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/daniel-blaikie-hopes-to-restore-ndp-legacy-in-father-s-old-winnipeg-riding-1.2726823)

He already won it. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/daniel-blaikie-wins-ndp-nomination-in-elmwood-transcona-1.2685797)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 05, 2014, 04:53:52 pm
Adams' rival also quit the ONB race.
 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/natalia-lishchyna-eve-adams-s-rival-also-quits-tory-nomination-race-1.2728311)
CETA text finalized. (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/08/05/canada-and-eu-free-trade-deal-clears-major-hurdle-with-deal-on-final-text/#.U-FSLY10zIV)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 06, 2014, 07:20:37 am
Redford finally quits the Leg.  (http://globalnews.ca/news/1493763/alison-redford-resigns-from-the-alberta-legislature/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: You kip if you want to... on August 06, 2014, 12:43:21 pm
Redford finally quits the Leg.  (http://globalnews.ca/news/1493763/alison-redford-resigns-from-the-alberta-legislature/)

Could the Wildrose make a breakthrough here?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 06, 2014, 12:51:34 pm
The rampant speculation is that she was keeping it warm for Prentice. I'd expect Prentice to win if he ran, but given that the Tories are plumbing the polling gutter right now they shouldn't take that for granted.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on August 06, 2014, 02:43:49 pm
The rampant speculation is that she was keeping it warm for Prentice. I'd expect Prentice to win if he ran, but given that the Tories are plumbing the polling gutter right now they shouldn't take that for granted.

Actually, the last poll only had them down by 5 amongst all voters (31% WRP to 26% PC; about a quarter of the sample was undecided).  Note that I say "only down by 5" because they had been losing by margins of 25% or more in previous polls.  Don't get me wrong, the PCs certainly aren't in the best position, but if that poll is to be believed, then the WRP is also down from the last election, and there is a significant bloc of the voting population that Prentice could snag back to the PC fold if he performs well. 

If Prentice does end up running in Calgary-Elbow, I imagine that he'll do quite well, or at the very least, pull off a victory.  This riding wasn't very friendly to the WRP in 2012; I believe that their candidate ended up getting less than 30%, compared to Redford's 58%.  As it is located quite close to the centre of the city, many of its neighborhoods have a younger, more progressive population than the city as a whole.  Their local politics reflect this quite well, as Nenshi over-performed his city-wide average in almost all (if not all) of the city voting districts that are provincially located in Calgary-Elbow, and both of the Wards that represent parts of Calgary-Elbow are represented by two of the more progressive city councillors.  On the provincial level, a Liberal was elected here (albeit with moderately different riding boundaries) during a 2007 by-election after Klein stepped down, and the Liberals used to have a fairly substantial base here.  Of course, these voters might not think of Prentice as their ideal candidate, but they would certainly prefer him to a Wildrose member.

Prentice would also be helped here by "wealthy, inner-city" vote.  By that, I am referring to neightborhoods such as Upper Mount Royal, Rideau Park, Roxboro, and Elbow Park, all of which are older, inner-city neighborhoods characterized by large, expensive houses and some of the highest average household incomes in the city.  The PCs historically do well with this demographic, and in fact, some of Redford's best neighborhood-by-neighborhood results were in these places. 

Finally, while I know that money isn't everything in politics, it does certainly help, and the Calgary-Elbow PC Association is financially more than ready to run a strong campaign; at the end of last year they had more than $200,000 in the bank.  But anyways, long story short: Prentice's victory here wouldn't be guaranteed, but he would have a strong chance.  The biggest thing that could trip him up in my opinion would be vote-splitting; if enough voter here were to vote Liberal again instead of staying with the PCs, then the WRP could snatch victory.


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On another topic: Independent MLA Donna Kennedy-Glans (Calgary-Varsity) will request permission to re-join the PC caucus. (http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/politics/Calgary+Varsity+Donna+Kennedy+Glans+asks+rejoin/10091422/story.html)  She left caucus in March during the first round of these expense scandals, and although she didn't specifically name Redford as the reason, it's believed that Redford was at least one of the reasons for her leaving.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 07, 2014, 08:13:37 am
Trudeau's "memoir" is coming out in October.  (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/justin-trudeau-autobiography-set-for-fall-release/article19943995/)

Hsu is retiring next year to spend more time with his family.  (http://blog.tedhsu.ca/2014/08/07/i-am-choosing-not-to-run-for-re-election-in-2015/)He plans on returning to politics at some point.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 07, 2014, 08:46:50 am
NL Grits lead unchanged, 48/34/17. Even Grenier thinks his seat estimate is conservative: 26L/17C/5N. (http://www.threehundredeight.com/2014/08/provincial-liberals-still-leading-in.html?spref=tw)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 07, 2014, 12:18:19 pm
Long Mulcair Vancouver Sun interview. (http://www.vancouversun.com/business/leader+Thomas+Mulcair+throws+pipeline+policy+punches/10078481/story.html)

Grits say Trudeau wrote the memoir himself, one source I read said with editorial assistants. At any rate the title, "Common Ground", is both vaguely centrist and restorationist.  (http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/08/07/publisher-announces-release-date-for-justin-trudeaus-autobiography-complete-with-sleek-cover-photo/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)

How much juice does the dynasty have left?  (http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/the-lady-vanishes-redfords-last-goodbye/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on August 07, 2014, 10:25:43 pm
Prentice has already ruled out running for Redford's seat. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/jim-prentice-byelection-talk-triggered-by-redford-resignation-1.2729989)  Unless someone steps down once he wins the leadership, that means that his next chance to enter the legislature will come up once the federal writ is dropped and MLAs have to resign in order to campaign federally. 

So far, it looks like four seats in the legislature will be vacated at that point:
  • Calgary-Buffalo: Liberal, Kent Hehr
  • Calgary-Foothills: Independent (ex PC), Len Webber
  • Calgary-McCall: Liberal, Darshan Kang
  • Edmonton-McClung: PC, David Xiao


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 07, 2014, 10:28:21 pm
He can't stay outside the Leg for a year, someone has to resign. Paula Simons raised the possibility of another Getty moment on Twitter today.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on August 08, 2014, 05:26:43 am
He can't stay outside the Leg for a year, someone has to resign. Paula Simons raised the possibility of another Getty moment on Twitter today.

Seems strange that he didn't run though. Njall is right. The best place for him to run is an old money riding that's too rich to vote Lib/NDP and too liberal to swing to Wildrose. Those would be the Tories' last stronghold. How many more of those ridings are there in AB?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on August 08, 2014, 07:09:16 am
He can't stay outside the Leg for a year, someone has to resign. Paula Simons raised the possibility of another Getty moment on Twitter today.

Seems strange that he didn't run though. Njall is right. The best place for him to run is an old money riding that's too rich to vote Lib/NDP and too liberal to swing to Wildrose. Those would be the Tories' last stronghold. How many more of those ridings are there in AB?

It's hard to say, to be honest.  Calgary-Elbow probably had the highest concentration of voters like that.  I know that my riding of Calgary-Glenmore has some pockets as well, but they're certainly a smaller part of the riding's population.  Other ridings closer in to the centre of the city, such as Calgary-Klein or Calgary-Currie, are probably in the same boat.  I don't know if Edmonton has any comparable places, but there might be one or two options there as well.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on August 09, 2014, 11:00:49 pm
Don't forget the last by-election in Calgary-Elbow... what do you reckon the Liberals' chances are of winning it?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 11, 2014, 09:16:02 am
Abacus federal NL poll: Grits crushing 54/27/15. (http://www.vocm.com/newsarticle.asp?mn=2&ID=48306)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 11, 2014, 04:11:59 pm
Another de facto appointment by Trudeau: Seamus O'Regan in St. John's South-Mount Pearl. (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/08/11/seamus-oregan-liberal-trudeau-newfoundland_n_5668651.html?utm_hp_ref=canada-politics)

Trudeau opposes the FNFTA. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/trudeaus-first-nations-disclosure-pledge-an-affront-to-taxpayers-tories-say/article19992038/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on August 11, 2014, 04:13:56 pm
Abacus federal NL poll: Grits crushing 54/27/15. (http://www.vocm.com/newsarticle.asp?mn=2&ID=48306)

That should get them St. John's South-Mount Pearl. I imagine Harris is untouchable, so I doubt they'll get his seat until he's out of the picture


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 11, 2014, 04:18:07 pm
IIRC Cleary doesn't have many fans even among Dippers.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on August 12, 2014, 03:04:40 am
Anyone catch yesterday's 308 projection? Kinda scary.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 12, 2014, 07:53:55 am
Unsurprisingly, Fortin has quit the BQ.  (https://www.facebook.com/AlthiaRaj/posts/910746938939954)They're down to 3 now.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on August 12, 2014, 08:30:29 am
In perhaps the greatest news in the history of television, the worst person in Canada (Kevin O'Learly) will be quitting the CBC. :D :D :D :D :D


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on August 12, 2014, 02:44:49 pm
In perhaps the greatest news in the history of television, the worst person in Canada (Kevin O'Learly) will be quitting the CBC. :D :D :D :D :D


Wouldn't that title belong to Don Cherry?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 12, 2014, 07:08:07 pm
PQ leadership rules will be set Sept. 27. (http://www.lactualite.com/actualites/quebec-canada/prochain-chef-du-pq-les-regles-du-jeu-seront-connues-le-27-septembre/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on August 13, 2014, 08:28:38 am
In perhaps the greatest news in the history of television, the worst person in Canada (Kevin O'Learly) will be quitting the CBC. :D :D :D :D :D


Wouldn't that title belong to Don Cherry?

Don Cherry can be amusing at times. He doesn't come close to the horrible piece of sh[inks] that O'Leary is. Of course, I understand that Cherry can't be that popular in Quebec ;)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on August 13, 2014, 08:58:46 am
Don't forget the last by-election in Calgary-Elbow... what do you reckon the Liberals' chances are of winning it?

Pretty low, I'd imagine.  The Liberals have lost a lot of strength province-wide since then.  Plus, at that time the Liberals were the default anti-PC vote.  They'll certainly improve on their 2012 result, but I don't think they have what it takes to win.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 15, 2014, 07:21:29 am
Speculation that Prentice may be doing worse than expected in the Progs' leadership race, though everyone still expects him to win. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/prentice-campaign-losing-steam-in-race-to-become-alberta-premier/article20071814/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 16, 2014, 09:18:12 am
Yes, thankfully the PQ is no longer in office. But I wonder what the Anglo media will say when Couillard introduces his Charter in a few weeks? The PQ will be back eventually, and the PLQ is awful in its own way.  (http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/08/15/petty-language-spats-have-all-but-vanished-in-quebec-since-marois-ouster/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 16, 2014, 02:35:28 pm
Trudeau's Ottawa home was broken into last night with his family inside. Fortunately no one was harmed & nothing taken... but where was the RCMP? (http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/vandals-warn-justin-trudeau-to-keep-doors-locked-at-home)

Interesting story on French immigration. (http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/le-reve-canadien-french-immigrants-find-canada-the-land-of-opportunity)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on August 16, 2014, 08:58:57 pm
Yes, thankfully the PQ is no longer in office. But I wonder what the Anglo media will say when Couillard introduces his Charter in a few weeks? The PQ will be back eventually, and the PLQ is awful in its own way.  (http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/08/15/petty-language-spats-have-all-but-vanished-in-quebec-since-marois-ouster/)

*Continues supporting fringe parties in Quebec*


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 17, 2014, 01:26:47 pm
Trudeau Maclean's interview.  (http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/the-interview-justin-trudeaus-game-plan/) As usual, no specifics.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 17, 2014, 09:56:33 pm
The Bloc could disappear next year: quite conceivably the 3 incumbents retire. (http://www.lactualite.com/actualites/politique/le-bloc-quebecois-un-parti-sans-depute/) Key quote:  À l’interne, on entend souvent dire que lors du prochain scrutin, «ça passe ou ça casse».



Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 18, 2014, 07:48:45 am
Patry will probably quit today, Bellavance and HQ staff could follow later. (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201408/17/01-4792359-une-autre-demission-en-vue-au-bloc.php) I wholeheartedly agree with Trudeau that this is glorious news, but the BQ will still fight next year. (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201408/17/01-4792361-justin-trudeau-se-rejouit-de-la-crise-au-bloc-quebecois.php)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: ¢®🅰ß 🦀 ©@k€ 🎂 on August 18, 2014, 08:58:16 am
Are all these defectors going to run as independents, retire or join other parties?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 18, 2014, 09:00:53 am
Plamondon will stay but probably retire. He's 71 and was first elected in '84 as a PC. If the others run as independents they'll lose. I doubt any of them join other parties: Patry defected from the NDP last year.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 18, 2014, 09:46:34 am
A lot of nomination issues in all 3 parties.  (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/08/18/justin-trudeau-open-nominations-pledge_n_5687753.html)That said, HQ jigging things for their preferred candidate is the norm... Trudeau should've just used his appointment power.

Rick Norlock is retiring next year. (http://www.ricknorlockmp.com/news-riding/mp-rick-norlock-will-not-seek-re-election-in-2015/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 18, 2014, 05:54:18 pm
Patry will retire next year. (http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/canada/416198/le-bloquiste-claude-patry-quittera-la-vie-politique-apres-son-mandat)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on August 18, 2014, 06:14:45 pm
Mark Gerretsen is running for the Liberal nod in Kingston and the Islands. We're losing a good MP in Ted Hsu, but, alas, he supported the wrong candidate for leader.

Gerretsen is objectively terrible. As mayor, he has consistently antagonized students. If the student vote carries any weight, the dynamic could be interesting in October 2015. We hate him, and if he's the Liberal candidate, a lot of young people could go NDP and hand the Conservative the win.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 19, 2014, 10:22:56 am
Prentice will run in Calgary this fall. (http://www.canada.com/news/edmonton/Prentice+will+call+immediate+byelection+wins+leadership/10130384/story.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 20, 2014, 10:29:58 am
Wouters is retiring in October, and his deputy Janine Charette will succeed him as Clerk. (http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/alert-clerk-of-privy-council-wayne-wouters-announces-retirement)

ROFLMAO: Grits targeting 7-8 Alberta seats. (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/08/20/justin-trudeau-liberals-alberta_n_5693456.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 20, 2014, 11:12:31 am
Dipper QC backbencher quits over Mideast policy. (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201408/20/01-4793202-une-deputee-quebecoise-claque-la-porte-du-npd.php) If this were the US, media folks would be demanding Mulcair "Sister Souljah" his own party's granola types.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Vosem on August 20, 2014, 03:09:54 pm
Considering Liberals are surging in Alberta, what do Duncan's chances in Strathcona look like? Will the left-wing vote gravitate to her like it did in 2011, or could she be unseated? (By Liberals or Conservatives)?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 20, 2014, 08:33:01 pm
I'll defer to Njall on that one. :P


Yet another reason why I'm definitely buying Hebert's book. Parizeau had used and discarded Bouchard by referendum day, Bouchard admits he might've settled for something less than independence, which is irrelevant. (http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Macpherson+Parizeau+used+Bouchard+1995+Chantal+H%C3%A9bert+book+shows/10134669/story.html)

Maclean's takes a sober look at the Grit Alberta dream. (http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/paint-the-town-red-the-liberals-in-edmonton/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on August 21, 2014, 04:06:59 am
A CROP poll for Quebec federal.

Liberals 38, NDP 32, Bloc 13(!), Conservatives 12.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201408/20/01-4793348-sondage-crop-le-bloc-quebecois-marginalise.php (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201408/20/01-4793348-sondage-crop-le-bloc-quebecois-marginalise.php)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 21, 2014, 07:56:14 am
Tied among Francophones. Too bad we don't get a regional breakdown. Provincially, better news: PLQ 41, CAQ 27, PQ 18 (!!!). I wonder if that holds when they select a permanent leader. 1970/3 in reverse if it did. (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-quebecoise/201408/21/01-4793377-sondage-la-caq-bonne-premiere-chez-les-francophones.php?utm_categorieinterne=trafficdrivers&utm_contenuinterne=cyberpresse_vous_suggere_4793348_article_POS1)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 21, 2014, 04:19:00 pm
MacKay takes the Ice Bucket Challenge. (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152337195423513&set=vb.104817488512&type=2&theater&notif_t=video_processed) IIRC Casey and Mulcair are the only other MPs who've done it. Trudeau donated.



Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 22, 2014, 09:41:19 am
Brian Storseth, Tory MP for Westlock-St. Paul, will retire next year. (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/08/22/alberta-mp-cites-family-long-distance-from-home-for-not-seeking-re-election/#.U_dWPI10yP-)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on August 24, 2014, 06:58:12 pm
Considering Liberals are surging in Alberta, what do Duncan's chances in Strathcona look like? Will the left-wing vote gravitate to her like it did in 2011, or could she be unseated? (By Liberals or Conservatives)?

I'd say that her chances are still pretty good.  Some of her vote from last election will undoubtably drift over to the Liberals, but Edmonton Strathcona is still a very NDP-friendly area.  The NDP won the provincial riding of Edmonton-Strathcona (which sits in the centre of the federal riding) with more than 60% of the vote in 2012, and they also won numerous polls in the ridings of Edmonton-Gold Bar and Edmonton-Riverview, both of which are partially or wholly contained within the federal riding of Edmonton Strathcona.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 25, 2014, 10:12:41 am
BREAKING: Bellavance is quitting the BQ, will retire next year.  (https://twitter.com/MBegin_RC/status/503921366966751232)

Ipsos-federal: (http://globalnews.ca/news/1521821/liberals-jump-past-conservatives-in-voter-support-poll/) 38 (+5), 31 (-2), 24 (-).

Battleground BC. (http://www.hilltimes.com/news/news/2014/08/25/with-42-ridings-british-columbia-crucial-electoral-battleground-in-2015/39411)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 27, 2014, 01:25:44 pm
Braid on the dynasty's ridiculously absurd "We're awful, but vote for us because only we can fix our own awfulness" contest. (http://www.canada.com/opinion/columnists/Tory+infighting+causing+internal+bleeding/10151625/story.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on August 29, 2014, 10:11:16 pm
Prentice has released his leadership campaign's donor list. (http://jimprentice.ca/latest/news/jim-prentice-releases-donors-list-ahead-of-leadership-vote) As of today, he has raised 1.8 million dollars.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 01, 2014, 08:41:13 pm
Dynastic self-parody: no voter list, (http://blogs.calgaryherald.com/2014/08/31/voting-process-is-a-wild-card-in-pc-leadership-vote/) and Lukaszuk copied Redford on illegitimate plane use.  (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/leadership-candidate-thomas-lukaszuk-flew-daughter-on-government-planes-1.2752728)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 02, 2014, 08:38:44 pm
Ivison on whether Harper fatigue produces a fifth Chretien/Martin term.  (http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/09/02/john-ivison-canadians-grow-tired-of-harper-while-giving-trudeau-benefit-of-the-doubt/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 03, 2014, 11:31:57 am
CRA-PEI:  (http://cra.ca/pe-liberal-party-maintains-wide-lead-over-pcs-although-gap-narrows/)48/28/16.

CRA-NL: (http://cra.ca/nl-liberal-party-extends-lead-in-voter-intentions/) 58/26/15.
CRA-NS: (http://cra.ca/honeymoon-with-mcneil-liberals-continues/) 63/20/14.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on September 03, 2014, 08:50:51 pm
CRA-PEI:  (http://cra.ca/pe-liberal-party-maintains-wide-lead-over-pcs-although-gap-narrows/)48/28/16.

CRA-NL: (http://cra.ca/nl-liberal-party-extends-lead-in-voter-intentions/) 58/26/15.
CRA-NS: (http://cra.ca/honeymoon-with-mcneil-liberals-continues/) 63/20/14.

NS NDP @ 14?!?!?!


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 04, 2014, 07:19:10 am
Mulcair will roll out a bunch of policy planks this sitting, including national daycare and minimum wage. (http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/preview-paul-wells-in-conversation-with-thomas-mulcair/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on September 04, 2014, 09:50:42 am
A new Alberta provincial poll from Leger shows some small change; PC and WRP up, LIB and NDP down. (http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/alberta-politics/Alberta+Tories+have+likely+bottomed+amid+scandals/10173929/story.html)

Breakdowns (decided voters):

Province-wide: (change from last Leger poll)
Wildrose: 33% (+2)
PC: 29% (+3)
Liberal: 18% (-2)
NDP: 16% (-3)

Edmonton:
NDP: 27%
Wildrose: 24%
PC: 22%
Liberal: 20%

Calgary:
Wildrose: 33%
PC: 31%
Liberal: 22%
NDP: 9%

Rural:
Wildrose: 41%
PC: 33%
Liberal: 11%
NDP: 9%


Note: All Rural values, and Liberal and NDP values in Calgary, are estimated from the graphic in the article; I can't find them stated in writing elsewhere.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 04, 2014, 10:04:31 pm
Ivison reports from Tory HQ:  (http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/09/04/john-ivison-parliaments-return-might-be-dull-unless-the-pm-is-called-to-the-witness-stand/) Budget will be loaded with goodies, Election prep will consume this sitting. Internal polling suggests the only region with growth potential is here in QC... Quebec City to be precise. Cannon returning to politics isn't new, though the idea of Soudas running for a nomination seems implausible. Backroomers stay where they belong, as Kinsella, Topp or the late Tom Kent can attest.

Mulroney: it may be time for a change next year, though he still supports Harper. Also said he'd call a royal commission into MMIW and feels Harper should be more active environmentally.  (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/mulroney-says-harper-is-in-for-tough-re-election-fight-in-2015/article20355207/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 05, 2014, 09:33:21 pm
Great Oliver profile in Maclean's (http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/the-pms-latest-secret-weapon-joe-oliver/), great Hebert column on next year. (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/09/05/ndp_may_not_be_able_to_stop_tide_turning_against_it_hbert.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 06, 2014, 07:33:12 pm
Prentice should be crowned PC leader in about 90 minutes. (http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/alberta-politics/Live+Leadership+vote+2014/10171281/story.html)

Wells interviews Mulcair. (http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/the-interview-thomas-mulcairs-plan-to-win-the-next-election/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 06, 2014, 08:43:02 pm
Prentice: 17952, McIver 2742, Lukaszuk 2681. Now The Anointed One must find a seat...


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on September 06, 2014, 09:46:29 pm
CRA-PEI:  (http://cra.ca/pe-liberal-party-maintains-wide-lead-over-pcs-although-gap-narrows/)48/28/16.

CRA-NL: (http://cra.ca/nl-liberal-party-extends-lead-in-voter-intentions/) 58/26/15.
CRA-NS: (http://cra.ca/honeymoon-with-mcneil-liberals-continues/) 63/20/14.

Wow, the NDP is the lowest in Nova Scotia out of all four Atlantic provinces? Insanity (and highest in PEI) ??? Has hell frozen over?

Hopefully the Liberal honeymoon in Nova Scotia ends soon.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on September 07, 2014, 08:17:46 am
In NS news Penny Boudreau, who strangled her daughter to keep her boyfriend got 20 to life. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/n-s-woman-admits-she-strangled-daughter-to-keep-boyfriend-1.809803)

Especially heinous crimes call for the noose, but this will do I suppose.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on September 07, 2014, 12:45:17 pm
In NS news Penny Boudreau, who strangled her daughter to keep her boyfriend got 20 to life. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/n-s-woman-admits-she-strangled-daughter-to-keep-boyfriend-1.809803)

Especially heinous crimes call for the noose, but this will do I suppose.

That's a news from 2009.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on September 07, 2014, 02:36:35 pm
In NS news Penny Boudreau, who strangled her daughter to keep her boyfriend got 20 to life. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/n-s-woman-admits-she-strangled-daughter-to-keep-boyfriend-1.809803)

Especially heinous crimes call for the noose, but this will do I suppose.

That's a news from 2009.

...wow can't believe I missed that :P


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 08, 2014, 07:31:11 am
Hill Times on Ontario's new seats. (http://www.hilltimes.com/news/news/2014/09/08/vote-rich-ontarios-15-new-ridings-to-be-in-play/39517)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 08, 2014, 03:56:18 pm
Goldring is retiring next year. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/edmonton-mp-peter-goldring-won-t-run-in-next-election-1.2759648)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 09, 2014, 10:08:31 am
One of the Franklin expedition ships has been found. (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/09/09/the_star_with_the_franklin_search_how_the_franklin_wreck_was_finally_found.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on September 10, 2014, 05:40:59 pm
Just finished reading "The Akerman Years" about the NS NDP in the '70's. It's mostly explaining the civil war between the Cape Breton and Halifax wings of the party, and by extension the conflicts between the working class and urban progressive wings of the party. Good read


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 11, 2014, 07:49:10 pm
Cabinet still undecided on the Chong bill.  (http://www.canada.com/news/Federal+cabinet+still+undecided+Tory+reform+bill/10195741/story.html)

Carson goes on trial next year. (http://ottawacitizen.com/news/politics/harpers-former-aide-bruce-carson-to-stand-trial-next-year)

Mulcair steps up attacks on Trudeau, using the same angle he's used for months. "PM isn't an entry-level job." (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/09/11/mulcair-steps-up-attacks-on-trudeau-questions-fitness-to-govern/#.VBJClrnu2Uk) Miss the crowbar-wielding Quebec City Mulcair.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hash on September 11, 2014, 08:04:27 pm
A student in one of my classes entertained us with the following big truths today:

Radical union bosses have a radical agenda and elected Kathleen Wynne
The NDP has a secret agenda of socialism
Biebertrudeau's Liberals are very clearly on the left
Tim Hudak lost because of scare tactics


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 13, 2014, 08:39:18 am
NDP proposes a $15 minimum wage.  (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ndp-proposes-15-an-hour-federal-minimum-wage/article20591535/)

NL Tories choose their sacrificial lamb today. (http://ici.radio-canada.ca/regions/atlantique/2014/09/13/001-congres-direction-conservateurs-terre-neuve-labrador.shtml?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)

PKP is gearing up to run for the PQ leadership. My prediction: he'll flop worse than Ryan did on the other side. (http://www.lapresse.ca/le-soleil/actualites/politique/201409/12/01-4799799-direction-du-pq-fort-appui-du-caucus-a-pkp.php)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on September 13, 2014, 12:42:38 pm
NDP proposes a $15 minimum wage.  (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ndp-proposes-15-an-hour-federal-minimum-wage/article20591535/)

NL Tories choose their sacrificial lamb today. (http://ici.radio-canada.ca/regions/atlantique/2014/09/13/001-congres-direction-conservateurs-terre-neuve-labrador.shtml?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)

PKP is gearing up to run for the PQ leadership. My prediction: he'll flop worse than Ryan did on the other side. (http://www.lapresse.ca/le-soleil/actualites/politique/201409/12/01-4799799-direction-du-pq-fort-appui-du-caucus-a-pkp.php)


Good politicking on the NDP's part re the "low wage agenda".

Hopefully PKP does to the PQ what Beaulieu did to the Bloc.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on September 13, 2014, 05:24:16 pm
NL PC leadership race headed to a third ballot, because 2nd ballot was a 1 vote lead, but not a majority as there was one rejected vote.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on September 13, 2014, 07:11:14 pm
lol newfy math


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 13, 2014, 07:33:12 pm
Premier-designate Paul Davis, folks.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 15, 2014, 04:38:21 pm
Ipsos:  (http://globalnews.ca/news/1564359/liberals-maintain-7-point-lead-over-conservatives-and-canadians-want-change-poll/)38/31/23. PPM: Trudeau 42 Harper 35 Mulcair 23. Harper leads on economic management (44/31/26) and foreign policy (42/32/26) while Trudeau leads on vision (40/35/25) and trust (37/33/30).

Tax cuts may come sooner than expected. (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/09/15/stephen-harper-tax-cuts-canada_n_5825142.html?1)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on September 15, 2014, 04:41:22 pm
Tax cuts may come sooner than expected. (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/09/15/stephen-harper-tax-cuts-canada_n_5825142.html?1)

I'm not complaining, but my provincial government is the ones who really need to cut taxes.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 15, 2014, 04:52:48 pm
Same here.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on September 15, 2014, 09:52:54 pm
Prentice was sworn in as Premier today. (http://ww2.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/2014/09/15/alberta-is-under-new-management-jim-prentice-appoints-two-unelected-outsiders-to-smaller-cabinet). He also unveiled his cabinet.  Notably, he appointed two ministers who aren't (yet) elected members of the Legislature: Stephen Mandel (former mayor of Edmonton) as Minister of Health, and Gordon Dirks (former Calgary Board of Education Trustee, and Minister of Social Services in Saskatchewan during the mid-1980s) as Minister of Education.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 15, 2014, 09:57:29 pm
Those by-elections should be fun.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on September 15, 2014, 10:57:41 pm
Ipsos:  (http://globalnews.ca/news/1564359/liberals-maintain-7-point-lead-over-conservatives-and-canadians-want-change-poll/)38/31/23. PPM: Trudeau 42 Harper 35 Mulcair 23. Harper leads on economic management (44/31/26) and foreign policy (42/32/26) while Trudeau leads on vision (40/35/25) and trust (37/33/30).

Tax cuts may come sooner than expected. (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/09/15/stephen-harper-tax-cuts-canada_n_5825142.html?1)

How can anyone claim that Trudeau has vision? Sigh.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on September 16, 2014, 07:08:53 am
Those by-elections should be fun.

I've heard of premiers being picked who don't have seats, but cabinet ministers? And now Prentice is going to force at least one more Tory backbencher to give up their seat?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on September 16, 2014, 09:25:57 am
Those by-elections should be fun.

I've heard of premiers being picked who don't have seats, but cabinet ministers? And now Prentice is going to force at least one more Tory backbencher to give up their seat?

On the federal level, Chretien appointed Stephane Dion to cabinet in 1996, prior to Dion winning a by-election.  In fact, according to this (http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/09/08/an-unelected-premier-an-unelected-cabinet-jim-prentice-and-the-westminster-wiggle/) Edmonton Journal blog, there were 169 people appointed to the federal cabinet from outside the HoC between 1867 and 2011. 

As for the by-elections, I think only one more backbencher will have to step down.  As it stands now, I imagine that Mandel will run in Edmonton-Whitemud and Dirks will run in Calgary-Elbow, so that just leaves Prentice to find a seat.  It looks like Prentice will probably get Neil Brown to step down so that he can run in Calgary-Mackay-Nose Hill; I've heard that he wants to run in a riding that (at least partially) overlaps with his old federal seat, and those four ridings are Calgary-Mackay-Nose Hill, Calgary-Klein (where the MLA just got sworn in to the new cabinet), Calgary-Mountain View (has a Liberal MLA), and Calgary-Varsity (MLA shows no sign of wanting to step down; also has a strong Liberal base).


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: njwes on September 16, 2014, 01:44:21 pm
Harper leads on economic management (44/31/26) and foreign policy (42/32/26) while Trudeau leads on vision (40/35/25) and trust (37/33/30).

That's pretty comical; I guess ~vision~ trumps all for a sizable subset of voters :p

That article didn't give a sense of who would mainly benefit from the tax cuts--would it be a Bush Tax Cuts type deal or would they be spread more evenly across income brackets?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on September 16, 2014, 02:27:37 pm
Those by-elections should be fun.

I've heard of premiers being picked who don't have seats, but cabinet ministers? And now Prentice is going to force at least one more Tory backbencher to give up their seat?

On the federal level, Chretien appointed Stephane Dion to cabinet in 1996, prior to Dion winning a by-election.  In fact, according to this (http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/09/08/an-unelected-premier-an-unelected-cabinet-jim-prentice-and-the-westminster-wiggle/) Edmonton Journal blog, there were 169 people appointed to the federal cabinet from outside the HoC between 1867 and 2011. 

As for the by-elections, I think only one more backbencher will have to step down.  As it stands now, I imagine that Mandel will run in Edmonton-Whitemud and Dirks will run in Calgary-Elbow, so that just leaves Prentice to find a seat.  It looks like Prentice will probably get Neil Brown to step down so that he can run in Calgary-Mackay-Nose Hill; I've heard that he wants to run in a riding that (at least partially) overlaps with his old federal seat, and those four ridings are Calgary-Mackay-Nose Hill, Calgary-Klein (where the MLA just got sworn in to the new cabinet), Calgary-Mountain View (has a Liberal MLA), and Calgary-Varsity (MLA shows no sign of wanting to step down; also has a strong Liberal base).

Interesting; I hadn't realized Hancock had resigned.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 16, 2014, 03:46:23 pm
Sounds like Stoffer will announce retirement tomorrow. (https://twitter.com/pdmcleod/status/511977829831962624) Safe Grit pickup without him?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on September 16, 2014, 03:52:15 pm
Harper leads on economic management (44/31/26) and foreign policy (42/32/26) while Trudeau leads on vision (40/35/25) and trust (37/33/30).

That's pretty comical; I guess ~vision~ trumps all for a sizable subset of voters :p

That article didn't give a sense of who would mainly benefit from the tax cuts--would it be a Bush Tax Cuts type deal or would they be spread more evenly across income brackets?

They haven't been announced yet.

Sounds like Stoffer will announce retirement tomorrow. (https://twitter.com/pdmcleod/status/511977829831962624) Safe Grit pickup without him?

Absolutely.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on September 16, 2014, 05:25:55 pm
Sounds like Stoffer will announce retirement tomorrow. (https://twitter.com/pdmcleod/status/511977829831962624) Safe Grit pickup without him?

Very sad news. Is the provincial NDP having a leadership race? Maybe he will run!


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on September 17, 2014, 05:35:10 am
Sounds like Stoffer will announce retirement tomorrow. (https://twitter.com/pdmcleod/status/511977829831962624) Safe Grit pickup without him?

Very sad news. Is the provincial NDP having a leadership race? Maybe he will run!

Afraid not. He's already ruled it out. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/peter-stoffer-opts-out-of-n-s-ndp-leadership-race-1.2434396)

There's been no word on a leadership convention yet. The new leader will probably be Maureen MacDonald, the current interim leader and de facto head of the party's left wing.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 17, 2014, 08:03:22 am
Stoffer is running again. Said he planned to retire but got encouragement to stay.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on September 17, 2014, 03:41:03 pm
Stoffer is running again. Said he planned to retire but got encouragement to stay.

And Sackville-Preston-Chezzetcook goes back to Safe NDP.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on September 18, 2014, 12:21:07 am
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Surrey+mayor+take+leap+into+federal+politics/10212524/story.html

Dianne Watts declares for the Tories, likely to run in Surrey-Whiterock-Cloverdale


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 19, 2014, 08:35:45 am
Good: as I'd hoped, Harper and Poilievre whittled Chong's bill down to basically nada.  (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/michael-chong-s-revised-reform-bill-would-do-little-to-boost-backbench-power-1.2770548)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 20, 2014, 06:11:43 pm
More good news: Anders lost his carpetbagging attempt. Hopefully we'll see the last of him next year.  (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/rob-anders-takes-second-stab-at-federal-conservative-nomination/article20713279/?click=sf_globe#dashboard/follows/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Vosem on September 20, 2014, 07:58:05 pm
More good news: Anders lost his carpetbagging attempt. Hopefully we'll see the last of him next year.  (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/rob-anders-takes-second-stab-at-federal-conservative-nomination/article20713279/?click=sf_globe#dashboard/follows/)

He's apparently still pretty young -- just 42. If he finds a way to get back in at some future date, he could keep sticking around for decades.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 20, 2014, 08:31:01 pm
More good news: Anders lost his carpetbagging attempt. Hopefully we'll see the last of him next year.  (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/rob-anders-takes-second-stab-at-federal-conservative-nomination/article20713279/?click=sf_globe#dashboard/follows/)

He's apparently still pretty young -- just 42. If he finds a way to get back in at some future date, he could keep sticking around for decades.

No one wants him. He could run but I'd be astonished if he ever got a nomination again.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: andrew_c on September 21, 2014, 04:35:14 am
More good news: Anders lost his carpetbagging attempt. Hopefully we'll see the last of him next year.  (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/rob-anders-takes-second-stab-at-federal-conservative-nomination/article20713279/?click=sf_globe#dashboard/follows/)

He's apparently still pretty young -- just 42. If he finds a way to get back in at some future date, he could keep sticking around for decades.

His political career is effectively over.  He's got too much beef with his party and the public.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Frodo on September 21, 2014, 07:10:31 pm
So should we consider this election as a lost cause for PM Stephen Harper and his ruling Conservatives, and merely debate the extent to which he will be trounced next May?  


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on September 21, 2014, 07:52:11 pm
So should we consider this election as a lost cause for PM Stephen Harper and his ruling Conservatives, and merely debate the extent to which he will be trounced next May?  

Not yet. The most recent polls have him only 6-7 pts back and the vagaries of FPTP favour the Tories. It's still conceivable that Harper will scrape a minority.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 21, 2014, 08:04:25 pm
Or better. That said, another Tory win would certainly be Harper's last.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: andrew_c on September 21, 2014, 11:27:40 pm
If the Tories win a minority, they won't last long as a government.  Nobody wants to prop them up on confidence or supply.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 22, 2014, 07:22:41 am
So Zoolander, with his usual judgment, is courting a candidate here  (https://twitter.com/Jean_Lapierre/status/514008310623002624)whose name is associated with corruption (http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/allo-nathalie/) and whose office was allegedly at the centre of a criminal conspiracy (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-quebecoise/201404/16/01-4758300-le-cabinet-de-normandeau-vise-par-lupac.php).


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 23, 2014, 02:11:29 pm
Trudeau is boycotting Sun after Levant's wedding rant. Where among other things, he called the elder Trudeaus promiscuous sluts. (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/09/23/trudeau-sun-news-ezra-levant_n_5870092.html?1)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on September 23, 2014, 03:48:42 pm
Trudeau is boycotting Sun after Levant's wedding rant. Where among other things, he called the elder Trudeaus promiscuous sluts. (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/09/23/trudeau-sun-news-ezra-levant_n_5870092.html?1)

Boycotting would imply he used their services previously :P


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on September 25, 2014, 02:15:51 pm
Why is Paul Calandra such a dick?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hash on September 25, 2014, 03:00:13 pm
Why is Paul Calandra such a dick?

lol. I just saw the video of the QP exchange. Have the Purgatories decided to become self-parodies? If so, this is one area where I can give them an A+ grade.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Linus Van Pelt on September 25, 2014, 08:35:46 pm
Why is Paul Calandra such a dick?

lol. I just saw the video of the QP exchange. Have the Purgatories decided to become self-parodies? If so, this is one area where I can give them an A+ grade.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1579059/ndp-leader-tom-mulcair-questions-speakers-neutrality/

Amazing and totally farcical exchange.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: ¢®🅰ß 🦀 ©@k€ 🎂 on September 25, 2014, 08:49:00 pm
Probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard said in any countries parliament. :P Before I saw him defending the comments, I assumed he was having some kind of strange psychosis.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 26, 2014, 10:10:11 am
CROP: (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201409/26/01-4803735-le-npd-reprend-la-tete-dans-les-intentions-de-vote-au-quebec.php) NDP up 38/28/16/13. among Francophones, 36/34/13/13 topline. Looks like most areas outside MTL/OUT remain orange.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Watermelon sin Jamón on September 28, 2014, 09:07:34 am
CROP: (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201409/26/01-4803735-le-npd-reprend-la-tete-dans-les-intentions-de-vote-au-quebec.php) NDP up 38/28/16/13. among Francophones, 36/34/13/13 topline. Looks like most areas outside MTL/OUT remain orange.
You should mention it's a general election Quebec-only poll more explicitly. Anyway, LOL at the Bloc at 16% among Francophones !


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Poirot on September 29, 2014, 03:10:45 pm
Following the Crop poll, Léger marketing also has a federal voting intentions in Québec poll. The Liberal party is first with 39%, NDP 29%, Bloc 16% and Conservative 12%.

Among francophones it's a statistical tie with NDP 32%, LPC 30%, Bloc 21%, Conservatives 12%. Non-Francophones: 67% LPC, 18% NDP, 13% Conservatives.



Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 02, 2014, 11:31:30 am
Trudeau still doesn't have a position on Iraq air deployment (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/10/02/justin-trudeau-iraq-combat-mission_n_5920670.html?utm_hp_ref=tw), but managed to make a crass joke in his presser. (https://twitter.com/althiaraj/status/517684496611938304)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 03, 2014, 06:59:49 am
We are deploying air assets to Iraq. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/canada-to-send-cf-18-fighters-take-combat-role-in-iraq/article20905969/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on October 05, 2014, 11:57:37 am
The Liberals have a star candidate in Dartmouth-Cole Harbour (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/darren-fisher-snags-liberal-nomination-in-dartmouth-cole-harbour-1.2787947), popular city councillor Darren Fisher. This is especially good for the Liberals since Fisher represents Harbourview-Burnside, the poorest, most NDP part of the riding. I imagine he'll knock off Robert Chisholm on election day.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on October 05, 2014, 12:02:33 pm
On another note, the Liberals have picked a fight with the healthcare unions. The unions have been picketing the legislature for the past week. My office is next the legislature... I can hear the protesters...They have vuvuzuelas. Pray for me brothers!


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Flake on October 05, 2014, 01:36:46 pm
Anybody want to give someone an overview of what's going on to someone who knows virtually nothing about Canadian politics?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 05, 2014, 02:03:09 pm
If you mean events, then not much. There's a prostitution bill to be enacted this fall which will amend the current law to comply with a recent Supreme Court ruling. Debate on the Iraqi air deployment tomorrow. Everyone's waiting for the budget in February.

Looks like Dhalla's been red-lighted by Grit HQ.  (http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/former-liberal-mp-says-she-won-t-run-in-2015-one-day-after-promoting-comeback-1.2040446)Trudeau really doesn't want the "club des ex" back.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 06, 2014, 03:36:27 pm
Jamie Carroll has been indicted on lobbying charges. (http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/archives/sunnews/politics/2014/10/20141006-114407.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 08, 2014, 07:06:42 pm
ISIL-inspired plots knife and gun attacks were thwarted by security services. (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/exclusive-isis-imitators-discussed-attacks-u-s-targets-canada-n221656)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on October 11, 2014, 06:47:46 am
Sorry if this has been posted already... but CBC has a vote compass for the Toronto Mayoral Election. My results were about what I expected.

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Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on October 11, 2014, 09:33:59 am
Yes, this was posted in the Ontario municipal elections thread.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 12, 2014, 06:46:37 pm
Universal childcare benefit will be extended to all families with kids under 6. Mulcair will unveil his daycare program later this week. (http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/10/10/conservatives-planning-to-enhance-child-care-benefit-in-fall-fiscal-update/)

Hahaha Star. No, Trudeau wouldn't torpedo his most valuable ally's deepest policy wish.
 (http://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2014/10/11/will_justin_trudeau_sink_kathleen_wynnes_pension_plan_cohn.html)
Hebert: win or lose, next year will be Harper's last campaign. I'm tempted to agree. If he wins another majority he'll enter the longevity pantheon. (http://www.lactualite.com/actualites/politique/stephen-harper-un-dernier-tour-de-piste/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 16, 2014, 01:06:50 pm
CSIS to get expanded powers. (http://www.canada.com/News/politics/Government+give+CSIS+more+powers+fight+against/10293126/story.html)

Gag-worthy Chatelaine fluff piece on Trudeau. (http://www.chatelaine.com/living/is-justin-trudeau-the-candidate-canadian-women-have-been-waiting-for/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 21, 2014, 07:46:18 am
2 soldiers were hit in a hit-and-run by an Islamic radical yesterday. (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/10/21/soldier-dies-of-injuries-after-being-hit-by-car-driven-by-man-police-killed/#.VEZVYI10zIV) 1 died of his injuries today. :( :(

Income splitting will be made more accessible. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/tories-eye-changes-to-income-splitting-promise-for-canadian-families/article21184190/)

Trudeau: Harper's ego is driving our Iraqi mission.  (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/10/20/justin-trudeau-iraq-harper-ego_n_6018632.html?utm_hp_ref=tw)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 21, 2014, 10:54:58 am
NDP loses another Quebec backbencher as Larose joins Fortin in founding a new party. (http://ici.radio-canada.ca/regions/est-quebec/2014/10/21/002-jean-francois-fortin-avenir-politique.shtml)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on October 21, 2014, 11:15:20 am
NDP loses another Quebec backbencher as Larose joins Fortin in founding a new party. (http://ici.radio-canada.ca/regions/est-quebec/2014/10/21/002-jean-francois-fortin-avenir-politique.shtml)

So new it doesn't even have a wikipedia article?

I assume the Dipper is a goner, but what about Fortin? Any chance he wins his seat as a quasi-independent?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 21, 2014, 11:20:58 am
No, he'll lose to a Dipper most likely.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on October 21, 2014, 11:44:56 am
No, he'll lose to a Dipper most likely.

Why not the Liberals? They seem like the most logical winners to me.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 21, 2014, 12:17:53 pm
Why? NDP is set to hold most of their Francophone ridings and the LPC bombed in Repentigny even during the Chretien era.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on October 21, 2014, 12:22:57 pm
Why? NDP is set to hold most of their Francophone ridings and the LPC bombed in Repentigny even during the Chretien era.

I'm talking about Haute-Gaspésie—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia. The Liberals performed reasonably well there last time.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 21, 2014, 12:43:22 pm
Grits winning in the Gaspe? Let's just say only a checkmark convinces me of that.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hash on October 21, 2014, 01:52:42 pm
Why? NDP is set to hold most of their Francophone ridings and the LPC bombed in Repentigny even during the Chretien era.

I'm talking about Haute-Gaspésie—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia. The Liberals performed reasonably well there last time.

That was because of Nancy Charest, a former Liberal MNA (who died in March), who had also done very well in 2008 (especially in her hometown of Matane, and the fairly anti-Bloc area around touristy Sainte-Anne-des-Monts). I would add that, to me, she did inexplicably well because I don't really get why a one-term MNA who won by a hair in 2003 would be so fetch.

The redistributed riding, where the Liberals would have finished third and the NDP second within 8% of the Bloc, takes in some parts of Gaspésie—Îles-de-la-Madeleine where the Liberals have finished strong in a lot of recent elections, though.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on October 21, 2014, 04:50:39 pm
I concur with Hashemite. This is usually not a Liberal area, but Nancy Charest had a sizeable personal vote for some reason. She made news again last month, when the reasons of her death was announced. She had hypothermia while walking outside very drunk at -27C, trying to go back at her home after a party.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on October 21, 2014, 07:15:34 pm
Why? NDP is set to hold most of their Francophone ridings and the LPC bombed in Repentigny even during the Chretien era.

I'm talking about Haute-Gaspésie—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia. The Liberals performed reasonably well there last time.

That was because of Nancy Charest, a former Liberal MNA (who died in March), who had also done very well in 2008 (especially in her hometown of Matane, and the fairly anti-Bloc area around touristy Sainte-Anne-des-Monts). I would add that, to me, she did inexplicably well because I don't really get why a one-term MNA who won by a hair in 2003 would be so fetch.

The redistributed riding, where the Liberals would have finished third and the NDP second within 8% of the Bloc, takes in some parts of Gaspésie—Îles-de-la-Madeleine where the Liberals have finished strong in a lot of recent elections, though.

Ok fair enough. I took Charest's #'s as "strong Liberal area" not "strong Liberal candidate"


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Linus Van Pelt on October 21, 2014, 09:48:16 pm
"Forces et Démocratie" is a pretty weird name for a political party.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hash on October 21, 2014, 09:58:24 pm
"Forces et Démocratie" is a pretty weird name for a political party.

In Canada yes, but at the same time it's a very français de France kind of party name (clunky and meaningless).


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on October 22, 2014, 06:50:02 am
"Forces et Démocratie" is a pretty weird name for a political party.

In Canada yes, but at the same time it's a very français de France kind of party name (clunky and meaningless).

Not weird at all for Quebec. Have you seen the names for some municipal parties in Quebec?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 22, 2014, 09:08:40 am
Breaking: uniformed soldier has been shot at the War Memorial in Ottawa. Also an active shooter on Parliament Hill. Ottawa police and RCMP are on scene.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hash on October 22, 2014, 09:21:31 am
what the frig


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 22, 2014, 09:23:09 am
PMO tweets that Harper is safe and has left the Hill.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Good Grumps With A Gun on October 22, 2014, 10:02:05 am
Breaking: uniformed soldier has been shot at the War Memorial in Ottawa. Also an active shooter on Parliament Hill. Ottawa police and RCMP are on scene.

Interestingly enough, Canada just raised its terror alert level, yesterday, IIRC.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 22, 2014, 10:24:31 am
Police say multiple shooters, one has been shot dead by the Sergeant-at-Arms.

Globe has footage of a gunfire exchange in Parliament.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrGqoISd-do


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: 20PETE20 on October 22, 2014, 10:27:27 am
Police say multiple shooters, one has been shot dead by the Sergeant-at-Arms.

Globe has footage of a gunfire exchange in Parliament.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrGqoISd-do

This is absolutely terrifying.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 22, 2014, 11:55:29 am
Shooters still at large, 1 Hill guard wounded, conflicting reports on whether the soldier has died. Harper has cancelled all public events, all party leaders in secure location.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hash on October 22, 2014, 11:56:20 am
uOttawa campus is on 'lockdown' (just came back from campus) and the main shopping mall downtown has been evacuated. Pretty crazy, and pretty bonkers that some random guy with a rifle can enter Parliament block.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on October 22, 2014, 12:02:09 pm
Hash, are you stuck on campus? I think I'm outside the lockdown zone. Kinda scary.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hash on October 22, 2014, 12:03:54 pm
Hash, are you stuck on campus? I think I'm outside the lockdown zone. Kinda scary.

No, the lockdown only involves locking classroom doors afaik (although all classes are cancelled until it's lifted and they're telling us not to walk about). Most campus buildings don't seem to be closed, and buses still operating on the Transitway after Lees station.

edit: Jason Kenney tweeted that the soldier shot has died. Tragic and barbaric.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on October 22, 2014, 12:07:42 pm
Streets in Centretown (where I work) are pretty empty, I'm told.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 22, 2014, 12:19:24 pm
Tory MPs confirming that the soldier has died.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hash on October 22, 2014, 12:20:09 pm
I first thought it was Hashemite, who decided to off Harper for good.

Terrorism and cold-blooded murder of innocents isn't funny, you sick freak.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: J. J. on October 22, 2014, 12:21:36 pm
CBC is reporting that a soldier guarding the War Memorial was shot and has died.  :(


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Silent Hunter on October 22, 2014, 12:22:16 pm
Oh great... I get a horrible feeling we're going to be getting a lot more of this in the future from jihadists.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Tender Branson on October 22, 2014, 12:28:35 pm
I first thought it was Hashemite, who decided to off Harper for good.

Terrorism and cold-blooded murder of innocents isn't funny, you sick freak.

Yeah, sorry.

:(


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 22, 2014, 12:32:48 pm
Harper will deliver a national televised address later tonight. Obama will talk to Harper at the earliest possible opportunity. Harper has been briefed by Bob Paulson.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on October 22, 2014, 12:38:16 pm
The war memorial never used to have soldiers stationed there, until some kids decided to urinate on it a few years ago on Canada Day.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Secret Cavern Survivor on October 22, 2014, 01:02:19 pm
Gosh.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: 20PETE20 on October 22, 2014, 01:10:48 pm
Have the police confirmed the death of one of the shooters, or is that still a report?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 22, 2014, 01:11:24 pm
Have the police confirmed the death of one of the shooters, or is that still a report?

That's been confirmed.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Boris on October 22, 2014, 01:24:48 pm
Second Ottawa Senators game in as many years postponed due to terrorism :(

It's interesting how virtually no news has come out over the past couple of hours despite Ottawa still under lockdown. Was there a shooting at the Rideau Centre?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: J. J. on October 22, 2014, 01:28:44 pm
Second Ottawa Senators game in as many years postponed due to terrorism :(

It's interesting how virtually no news has come out over the past couple of hours despite Ottawa still under lockdown. Was there a shooting at the Rideau Centre?

They are having a news conference now. 


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 22, 2014, 01:31:35 pm
Second Ottawa Senators game in as many years postponed due to terrorism :(

It's interesting how virtually no news has come out over the past couple of hours despite Ottawa still under lockdown. Was there a shooting at the Rideau Centre?

No shooting at Rideau.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: New_Conservative on October 22, 2014, 02:06:03 pm
My thoughts are with the people of Canada on this terrible day.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: LaRouche Lives Forever! on October 22, 2014, 02:26:12 pm
My thoughts go out to the people of Canada and our Canadian friends here on Atlas. This is horrific.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on October 22, 2014, 02:42:48 pm
I think this whole thing is over at this point.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 22, 2014, 02:45:10 pm
Belanger tweeted that the RCMP is keeping Centre Block locked down for the next few hours.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: LaRouche Lives Forever! on October 22, 2014, 02:46:43 pm
I think this whole thing is over at this point.
Is there still a shooter still at large, or have they confirmed that only one attacker was involved?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on October 22, 2014, 02:59:50 pm
I think this whole thing is over at this point.
Is there still a shooter still at large, or have they confirmed that only one attacker was involved?

Police aren't saying anything, which tells me there is no one at large at the moment. I think the whole city would be under lock down if that were the case.



Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on October 22, 2014, 04:13:12 pm
I've been numb all day. I mean, it's basically a strike at the centre of our national consciousness. Very hard to stomach. I've been teaching all day without real updates. It's tough. My thoughts go out to you folks in Ottawa.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: LaRouche Lives Forever! on October 22, 2014, 04:20:20 pm
An ISIL twitter account has released a picture of the gunman, apparently. Hopefully he was a lone-wolf gunman and that America and Canada will be spared from any further attacks.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 22, 2014, 04:23:58 pm
From the National Post, Cpl. Nathan Cirillo. RIP. :(

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Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: J. J. on October 22, 2014, 05:12:49 pm
From the National Post, Cpl. Nathan Cirillo. RIP. :(

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He died serving his country.  RIP. 


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 22, 2014, 05:33:33 pm
CBC has confirmed the 3 survivors have been discharged from hospital. Harper will deliver a NTA in about 25 minutes.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: TDAS04 on October 22, 2014, 05:35:29 pm
My thoughts are with the people of Canada on this terrible day.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 22, 2014, 05:46:36 pm
Reports that the NTA has been postponed.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 22, 2014, 06:01:59 pm
PMO confirms Harper will speak at 7:45. CBC reporting lockdown reinstated around the Hill.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on October 22, 2014, 06:19:30 pm
I am very concerned and upset. I have family in the Army or working on bases. I'm quite worried about them, especially after the St-Jean events earlier this week. I am very disturbed and struggle to keep my temper.

I think than this event will have lasting consequences over the Canadians, sadly.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: dead0man on October 22, 2014, 06:22:31 pm
Uggggg, RIP to the dead the soldier.

A Hamas member also murdered a baby today in Jerusalem.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: LaRouche Lives Forever! on October 22, 2014, 06:23:31 pm
I am very concerned and upset. I have family in the Army or working on bases. I'm quite worried about them, especially after the St-Jean events earlier this week. I am very disturbed and struggle to keep my temper.

I think than this event will have lasting consequences over the Canadians, sadly.
I fear that a few weeks down the line more ISIS sympathizers (or even infiltrators) might come out of the woodwork across Canada and the United States. While a national lockdown and increased domestic surveillance would be a victory for the terrorists (by inspiring terror in us), we certainly should be vigilant on both sides of the border.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Gass3268 on October 22, 2014, 06:29:01 pm
Thoughts and prayers to all of our Canadian friends on the forum.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 22, 2014, 06:29:13 pm
Ottawa municipal buildings will fly their flags at half-mast in honour of Cpl. Cirillo.  (http://ottawa.ca/en/news/city-honours-corporal-nathan-cirillo)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: patrick1 on October 22, 2014, 06:36:03 pm
I am very concerned and upset. I have family in the Army or working on bases. I'm quite worried about them, especially after the St-Jean events earlier this week. I am very disturbed and struggle to keep my temper.

I think than this event will have lasting consequences over the Canadians, sadly.
I fear that a few weeks down the line more ISIS sympathizers (or even infiltrators) might come out of the woodwork across Canada and the United States. While a national lockdown and increased domestic surveillance would be a victory for the terrorists (by inspiring terror in us), we certainly should be vigilant on both sides of the border.


Time for every nation to up the sorties and take ISIS out while they are assembled in large groups in Iraq and Syria.  Take em out root and branch.  This won't solve everything but some people you just have to kill.   

Increased surveillance of known terror sympathizers is just common sense.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on October 22, 2014, 06:47:10 pm
Nasty, nasty stuff.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 22, 2014, 06:48:41 pm
Mulcair will speak after Harper. On parliamentary business - Senate is confirmed to be sitting tomorrow, no word on the House yet. Trudeau will also speak by phone, apparently.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on October 22, 2014, 06:53:25 pm
They apparently came within a few meters of Harper and Mulcair (each one was in his caucus room, which are in the same hallway and he was near near that hallway).


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: LaRouche Lives Forever! on October 22, 2014, 07:00:05 pm
Harper speech has been postponed again.

Edit: Shooters father was a Libyan rebel who was from an Islamist sect, according to WaPo.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on October 22, 2014, 07:06:59 pm
Harper speech has been postponed again.

Edit: Shooters father was a Libyan rebel who was from an Islamist sect, according to WaPo.

His mother is a federal public servant, of French-Canadian ancestry.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: dead0man on October 22, 2014, 07:07:58 pm
Increased surveillance of known terror sympathizers is just common sense.
Both the bastard today and the bastard earlier in the week were both on the "watch list" and both had had their passports revoked.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 22, 2014, 07:10:33 pm
Harper speaking now.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ottawa-shooting-stephen-harper-to-address-nation-1.2809530


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: patrick1 on October 22, 2014, 07:14:34 pm
Increased surveillance of known terror sympathizers is just common sense.
Both the bastard today and the bastard earlier in the week were both on the "watch list" and both had had their passports revoked.

I know... sadly not a very good job of watching.  I know there are some legal wrinkles but damn.  

RIP to both soldiers.

Also Sanchez where you getting this Libya father stuff? I saw recent convert etc, I guess he could have not been raised as a Muslim and recently converted and radicalized.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 22, 2014, 07:15:33 pm
Harper speech is over. Now waiting for Mulcair.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: LaRouche Lives Forever! on October 22, 2014, 07:16:24 pm
Increased surveillance of known terror sympathizers is just common sense.
Both the bastard today and the bastard earlier in the week were both on the "watch list" and both had had their passports revoked.

I know... sadly not a very good job of watching.  I know there are some legal wrinkles but damn.  

RIP to both soldiers.

Also Sanchez where you getting this Libya father stuff? I saw recent convert etc, I guess he could have not been raised as a Muslim and recently converted and radicalized.
I saw it on CBC's live feed and they cited the Washington Post.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 22, 2014, 08:16:12 pm
House will sit tomorrow.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on October 22, 2014, 09:06:17 pm
My cousin has done ceremonial guard stuff on the hill (maybe also at the war memorial) in the past. He's also fought in Afghanistan, so he's definitely been in worse danger.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: anvi on October 22, 2014, 09:11:23 pm
RIP to the Canadian soldiers killed this week.  Horrible.  Just horrible.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 22, 2014, 09:36:06 pm
Ivison: The 90 ISIL suspects are being rounded up.  (https://twitter.com/IvisonJ/status/525111303409786880)

Baird: all mission flags will be flown at half-mast.

Vickers told Harper "I put him down" before reloading his pistol - Akin.

Cirillo profile. (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/10/22/soldier_slain_at_war_memorial_remembered_as_compassionate.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed#)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Tender Branson on October 23, 2014, 01:05:20 am
Horrible stuff.

Let's hope the worst is over now and they round up the remaining Islamo-suckers.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Lief 🐋 on October 23, 2014, 01:12:45 am
Interesting comparing the leader's speeches. Harper casts it as an act of terrorism and part of the War on Terror; Mulcair and Trudeau more of a random episode of criminal violence.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: BaconBacon96 on October 23, 2014, 01:17:23 am
What a tragedy. RIP to the Canadian soldiers killed.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: swl on October 23, 2014, 04:18:52 am
There an amusing debate about Harper drinking wine during an emergency briefing yesterday. I guess the guy deserved it, it must have been a shocking experience.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 23, 2014, 07:18:04 am
All flags on federal buildings will be flown at half-mast. Ottawa police confirm there was only one shooter.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 23, 2014, 08:01:00 am
Very moving cartoon from the Halifax Chronicle-Herald.

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Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 23, 2014, 08:03:29 am
A man has just been taken into custody on Sparks St. near the War Memorial, as the PM and other MPs arrive - Global.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: 20PETE20 on October 23, 2014, 08:04:07 am
Very moving cartoon from the Halifax Chronicle-Herald.

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Wow, I welled up at this one.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on October 23, 2014, 08:10:14 am
There's a gunman walking around downtown Halifax. I am locked in my office. No shots fired AFAIK.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on October 23, 2014, 09:05:49 am
All flags on federal buildings will be flown at half-mast. Ottawa police confirm there was only one shooter.

Oddly enough, the legion across the street from work did not have their flag at half mast.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on October 23, 2014, 09:06:22 am
There's a gunman walking around downtown Halifax. I am locked in my office. No shots fired AFAIK.


The copycats have begun :(


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on October 23, 2014, 09:49:53 am
The gunman has been arrested. No shots.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hash on October 23, 2014, 10:15:12 am
Great job, Wikipedia:
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Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on October 23, 2014, 10:25:40 am
Great job, Wikipedia:
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Blame America, a US editor did that. Someone fixed it before I got a chance to.

I was arguing on the talk page of the incident about the naming of the article. It was at "2014 shootings at Parliament Hill, Ottawa" which is obviously a wrong title, considering the first shooting was at the War Memorial. I've renamed it twice, and I figure it's going to get moved back to the erroneous title pretty soon.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Ye Olde Europe on October 23, 2014, 10:56:51 am
Oh, the irony of an Islamic extremist named "Michael". :P


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hash on October 23, 2014, 11:12:02 am
Oh, the irony of an Islamic extremist named "Michael". :P

Apparently it's supposed to be pronounced 'Mickaël', although I really don't care about the correct name pronunciations of terrorist scumbags and murderers.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: LaRouche Lives Forever! on October 23, 2014, 11:51:22 am
The gunman has been arrested. No shots.
Glad to hear that you are alright, first of all-any indication of relation to the incident yesterday?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 23, 2014, 11:55:08 am
Gunman had been staying at local mission, been trying to obtain car for a week. (http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/shooter-zehaf-bibeau-was-staying-at-ottawa-mission-before-rampage-witnesses)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Foucaulf on October 23, 2014, 12:23:04 pm
Oh, the irony of an Islamic extremist named "Michael". :P

This raises a more important question - to what extend is this an "act by a terrorist group" and not a terrorist act by alienated white men clinging now to radical Islam instead of some other gauche radicalism?

I've followed the news all day and it is a bit scary. To see Canadians focus less on the shooter and more on recovery, though, is good. Guess what's the headline on CNN right now? (http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/23/world/ottawa-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 23, 2014, 12:35:10 pm
Gunman was known to CSIS, not a high priority. (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/10/23/parliament_hill_gunman_wasnt_highpriority_for_csis_sources_say.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on October 23, 2014, 12:40:03 pm
Did Obama call this terrorism? Will Ottawa be the new Benghazi? 


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: True Federalist on October 23, 2014, 01:24:55 pm
Oh, the irony of an Islamic extremist named "Michael". :P
What's so ironic?  Both Michael and Gabriel are mentioned in the Qur'an as angels.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on October 23, 2014, 01:43:23 pm
The world's media certainly made it seem like this event really struck terror in this country: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/10/23/ottawa-shooting-global-coverage_n_6034270.html

I was a mile away from the events, and at no point yesterday was I ever in "terror".


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hash on October 23, 2014, 02:38:41 pm
I was a mile away from the events, and at no point yesterday was I ever in "terror".

Well, it's the first terrorist event of such a magnitude in Canada since basically 1970 (if you exclude shooting sprees like Polytechnique) taking place in the symbolic heart of Canadian democracy, so people abroad are obviously going to take notice and many will overreact (understandably) as it happens. My friend was quite panicky yesterday afternoon, but having lived through May 2003 and its aftermaths in Riyadh I am a bit more 'accustomed' to such events and was never scared yesterday.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 23, 2014, 04:12:09 pm
Moving account of the passersby who tried to save Cpl. Cirillo. (https://ca.news.yahoo.com/loved-ottawa-lawyer-describes-trying-save-cpl-nathan-194142676.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Ye Olde Europe on October 23, 2014, 04:49:32 pm
Oh, the irony of an Islamic extremist named "Michael". :P
What's so ironic?  Both Michael and Gabriel are mentioned in the Qur'an as angels.

Michael's relevance in Islam is fairly negligable compared to Christianity though. Jesus is also mentioned in the Quran. Doesn't mean that an Islamic terrorist going by the name of "Jesus" wouldn't be considered a bit awkward too.

The bottomline is that it's a primarily Christian name (and Jewish, being of Hebrew origin and all) and a primarily Christian figure in religion.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 23, 2014, 10:35:26 pm
Details on the new antiterror legislation.  (http://ww2.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/2014/10/23/conservatives-mulling-legislation-making-it-illegal-to-condone-terrorist-acts-online)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on October 27, 2014, 07:49:44 pm
Since no one else has posted this, Jian Ghomeshi is into some freaky stuff. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/jian-ghomeshi-host-of-q-no-longer-with-cbc-1.2813670)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 27, 2014, 07:53:55 pm
The Star has very NSFW details.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: NewYorkExpress on October 27, 2014, 09:27:11 pm
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-election-john-tory-elected-mayor-1.2814902 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-election-john-tory-elected-mayor-1.2814902)

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John Tory was elected Mayor of Toronto today, meaning that the Queen City will have a sane mayor for the first time since December 2010.

As of 10:20 EST the top five are as follows;

Legislative Assemblyman/2003 Mayoral Candidate (Progressive Conservative) John Tory 40.272%
Toronto City Councillor Doug Ford (Independent) 33.737%
Former Member of Parliament Olivia Chow (New Democrat) 23.145%
Criminal Lawyer Ari Goldkind (Independent) 0.399%
Some Lady Selina Chan (Independent) 0.238%


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: True Federalist on October 27, 2014, 11:58:21 pm
But at least Rob Ford will still be there on the Council to help ensure that Toronto will have its fair share of gits and shiggles.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on October 28, 2014, 01:36:53 am
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-election-john-tory-elected-mayor-1.2814902 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-election-john-tory-elected-mayor-1.2814902)

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John Tory was elected Mayor of Toronto today, meaning that the Queen City will have a sane mayor for the first time since December 2010.

As of 10:20 EST the top five are as follows;

Legislative Assemblyman/2003 Mayoral Candidate (Progressive Conservative) John Tory 40.272%
Toronto City Councillor Doug Ford (Independent) 33.737%
Former Member of Parliament Olivia Chow (New Democrat) 23.145%
Criminal Lawyer Ari Goldkind (Independent) 0.399%
Some Lady Selina Chan (Independent) 0.238%


Legislative Assemblyman? The term you're looking for is 'Member of Provincial Parliament'

Furthermore, the race was technically non-partisan, though both Ford and Tory have well established ties to the Progressive Conservatives.


As for Rob Ford, he's now joined on council by our very own Jimmy K.  I imagine it will be awful


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: NewYorkExpress on October 28, 2014, 01:40:46 am
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-election-john-tory-elected-mayor-1.2814902 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-election-john-tory-elected-mayor-1.2814902)

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John Tory was elected Mayor of Toronto today, meaning that the Queen City will have a sane mayor for the first time since December 2010.

As of 10:20 EST the top five are as follows;

Legislative Assemblyman/2003 Mayoral Candidate (Progressive Conservative) John Tory 40.272%
Toronto City Councillor Doug Ford (Independent) 33.737%
Former Member of Parliament Olivia Chow (New Democrat) 23.145%
Criminal Lawyer Ari Goldkind (Independent) 0.399%
Some Lady Selina Chan (Independent) 0.238%


Legislative Assemblyman? The term you're looking for is 'Member of Provincial Parliament'

Furthermore, the race was technically non-partisan, though both Ford and Tory have well established ties to the Progressive Conservatives.


As for Rob Ford, he's now joined on council by our very own Jimmy K.  I imagine it will be awful

Thanks for letting me know the correct terminology. I'll try to remember it next time.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Poirot on October 28, 2014, 10:22:03 am
Just to add information, the terminology varies from province. Ontario seems to be the only one using MPP. Wikipedia says

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Ontario is the only Canadian provincial legislative assembly to employ this designation. Members of other Canadian provincial and territorial assemblies employ the titles:

"Member of the National Assembly" (MNA) in Quebec,
"Member of the House of Assembly" (MHA) in Newfoundland and Labrador
"Member of the Legislative Assembly" (MLA) in all other provinces and territories.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Poirot on October 28, 2014, 10:25:46 am
Is it possible Olivia Chow returns to federal politics? When she left did she indicated she was done with federal politics.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 28, 2014, 10:30:52 am
Per the Star, Tory has offered her a position in his administration, but she's taking a few months off to relax.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on October 28, 2014, 04:12:06 pm
Big storm in Manitoba NDP.

On Monday, the Ministers for Municipal Governments and for Finances asked to Greg Sellinger, the Premier and NDP leader to resign, since they think than he will be unable to win reelection. Today, the ministers for Health, Economy (and Jobs) and the Attorney General (and Justice) did the same think.

Today, in a press conference, Sellinger refused to do so.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on October 28, 2014, 04:13:23 pm
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-election-john-tory-elected-mayor-1.2814902 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-election-john-tory-elected-mayor-1.2814902)

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John Tory was elected Mayor of Toronto today, meaning that the Queen City will have a sane mayor for the first time since December 2010.

As of 10:20 EST the top five are as follows;

Legislative Assemblyman/2003 Mayoral Candidate (Progressive Conservative) John Tory 40.272%
Toronto City Councillor Doug Ford (Independent) 33.737%
Former Member of Parliament Olivia Chow (New Democrat) 23.145%
Criminal Lawyer Ari Goldkind (Independent) 0.399%
Some Lady Selina Chan (Independent) 0.238%


lol, New York Express...

We have a thread about these elections you know


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 28, 2014, 04:20:02 pm
So will Selinger serve out his term, or will this erupt again in a few months?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on October 28, 2014, 04:44:25 pm
Big storm in Manitoba NDP.

On Monday, the Ministers for Municipal Governments and for Finances asked to Greg Sellinger, the Premier and NDP leader to resign, since they think than he will be unable to win reelection. Today, the ministers for Health, Economy (and Jobs) and the Attorney General (and Justice) did the same think.

Today, in a press conference, Sellinger refused to do so.

I personally wouldn't fault Selinger too much. The NDP's problems have more to do with being a 4th term government and the resurgent Liberal party (read: Justine Trudeau) than anything Selinger's done. It's not like the Tories are polling much better than they did in 2011.



Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: NewYorkExpress on October 28, 2014, 05:06:01 pm
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-election-john-tory-elected-mayor-1.2814902 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-election-john-tory-elected-mayor-1.2814902)

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John Tory was elected Mayor of Toronto today, meaning that the Queen City will have a sane mayor for the first time since December 2010.

As of 10:20 EST the top five are as follows;

Legislative Assemblyman/2003 Mayoral Candidate (Progressive Conservative) John Tory 40.272%
Toronto City Councillor Doug Ford (Independent) 33.737%
Former Member of Parliament Olivia Chow (New Democrat) 23.145%
Criminal Lawyer Ari Goldkind (Independent) 0.399%
Some Lady Selina Chan (Independent) 0.238%


lol, New York Express...

We have a thread about these elections you know

It's worth pointing out the conversation about said election could be entirely different here, than in the election thread, and I'd probably be more detailed in the election thread.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Boston Bread on October 28, 2014, 05:37:16 pm
(read: Justine Trudeau)
Is a sex change part of Trudeau's super-secret strategy to max out his appeal to women?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hash on October 28, 2014, 05:43:56 pm
Go away NewYorkExpress, you're a pest.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on October 28, 2014, 06:03:27 pm
I thought this was a good read. (http://www.ipolitics.ca/2014/10/26/never-let-the-facts-get-in-the-way-of-a-good-cronkite-moment/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Boston Bread on October 28, 2014, 06:07:25 pm
I thought this was a good read. (http://www.ipolitics.ca/2014/10/26/never-let-the-facts-get-in-the-way-of-a-good-cronkite-moment/)
So, it turns out the sergeant-at-arms didn't stop the shooter? The way the media picked it up is rather worrying if it wasn't true.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on October 28, 2014, 07:57:46 pm
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-election-john-tory-elected-mayor-1.2814902 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-election-john-tory-elected-mayor-1.2814902)

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John Tory was elected Mayor of Toronto today, meaning that the Queen City will have a sane mayor for the first time since December 2010.

As of 10:20 EST the top five are as follows;

Legislative Assemblyman/2003 Mayoral Candidate (Progressive Conservative) John Tory 40.272%
Toronto City Councillor Doug Ford (Independent) 33.737%
Former Member of Parliament Olivia Chow (New Democrat) 23.145%
Criminal Lawyer Ari Goldkind (Independent) 0.399%
Some Lady Selina Chan (Independent) 0.238%


lol, New York Express...

We have a thread about these elections you know

It's worth pointing out the conversation about said election could be entirely different here, than in the election thread, and I'd probably be more detailed in the election thread.

No, the election thread is full of maps. Much better than here.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on October 29, 2014, 02:54:26 pm
Oh please please please have Doug Ford run for leader of the PCs.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 29, 2014, 04:10:51 pm
Almost as hilarious/disastrous as a Ford-led PCPO: PKP-led PQ, which will happen. Team PKP is Team Boisclair, (so many fond memories).  (http://www.lactualite.com/actualites/politique/lenigme-peladeau/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 29, 2014, 08:41:16 pm
Income splitting coming, will be capped at $2k. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/income-splitting-changes-coming-from-tories-1.2817684)

First OTR Ghomeshi accuser: actress Lucy DeCoutere (http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/10/29/jian_ghomeshi_8_women_accuse_former_cbc_host_of_violence_sexual_abuse_or_harassment.html). 7 other anonymous accusers (http://www.thestar.com/news/2014/10/29/jian_ghomeshi_choked_and_slapped_me_actress_says.html), 1 was interviewed tonight on As It Happens.



Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on October 29, 2014, 09:53:00 pm
Ricky's gonna be pissed.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 31, 2014, 09:36:25 am
Del Mastro has been found guilty on all charges.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Boston Bread on October 31, 2014, 11:57:41 pm
Oh please please please have Doug Ford run for leader of the PCs.
LOL, he may be just the red tory they're looking for.
http://www.torontosun.com/2014/10/31/tories-need-to-be-socially-progressive-doug-ford
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Ford, who is mulling over a possible bid for the leadership of the party, said he would run a more socially progressive campaign.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 01, 2014, 03:28:09 am
Surreal:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-attack-mps-fashioned-spears-while-harper-hid-in-closet/article21278580/


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: LaRouche Lives Forever! on November 01, 2014, 01:30:42 pm
Surreal:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-attack-mps-fashioned-spears-while-harper-hid-in-closet/article21278580/

Kind of an unfair headline. Sounds like he was shoved into a safe place by overzealous MPs.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 01, 2014, 01:37:04 pm
Chretien and his wife barricaded themselves in their Sussex bedroom when 24 was broken into by a knife-wielding intruder 19 years ago, wielding an Inuit carving for protection. (RCMP arrived soon)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on November 05, 2014, 05:44:33 pm
Two news today.

1. Dean Del Mastro, Peterborough, ON MP (Independent, formely Conservative), resigned after being condemned for spending over limits during 2008 elections, for giving more money than legally authorised to his own campaign and for having cooked his books to hide those things.

2. Two Liberal MPs (Scott Andrews, Avalon, NL and Massimo Pacetti, Saint-Léonard--Saint-Michel, QC) are suspended from the party after two female NDP MPs complained about sexual harassment from them.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/dean-del-mastro-guilty-of-breaking-election-laws-resigns-1.2824943 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/dean-del-mastro-guilty-of-breaking-election-laws-resigns-1.2824943)
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberal-mps-scott-andrews-massimo-pacetti-suspended-from-caucus-amid-harassment-allegations-1.2824396 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberal-mps-scott-andrews-massimo-pacetti-suspended-from-caucus-amid-harassment-allegations-1.2824396)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hash on November 06, 2014, 05:06:04 pm
2. Two Liberal MPs (Scott Andrews, Avalon, NL and Massimo Pacetti, Saint-Léonard--Saint-Michel, QC) are suspended from the party after two female NDP MPs complained about sexual harassment from them.

That's ironic, because Biebertrudeau is the biggest one.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 06, 2014, 10:19:39 pm
NDP is very angry at Trudeau for the presser (http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/11/06/john-ivison-trudeau-mulcair-distrust-deepens-amid-sexual-harassment-scandal/) and publicly suspending Andrews/Pacetti, since the 2 victims explicitly didn't want this publicized. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/mulcair-says-ndp-women-revictimized-by-public-airing-of-misconduct-complaints/article21478173/) Mulcair believes Trudeau politicized it for his own gain, Trudeau's "spitting mad" at that suggestion.

Dipper 1: Confided in Scott Simms, who kept it confidential. Turmel knew some details, as did 1 NDP staffer. MP 1 was offered support and had to take a leave of absence following that incident.

Dipper 2: Confided in Trudeau last week when on the bus back from Cpl. Cirillo's funeral. Then Trudeau asked Foote to meet with the 2 MPs and Turmel. Ivison wondered why the MP confided in Trudeau rather than her own leader.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on November 06, 2014, 10:52:47 pm
I'm really displeased at the manner in which the NDP have reacted to this.  There is no political upside to sexual harassment for the Liberals, and the Liberals know this.  The notion that they did it for their own benefit is ridiculous. 

The argument seems to put the Liberals in a no-win situation where they are either concealing sexual harassment or embarrassing the still unnamed NDP MPs.  Conceilment of the issue is not acceptable from the viewpoint of the work environment of Liberal MPs and Staff who are asked to work with Andrews and Paccetti, whose behavior is undoubtedly not limited to the NDPers in question. 


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 07, 2014, 03:53:03 pm
NDP staffer is suing QC MP Sylvain Chicoine for wrongful dismissal ($194k) after she was sexually harassed by one of her superiors.  (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/11/07/justice-minister-sees-possible-silver-lining-in-wake-of-harassment-controversy/#.VF0vT7nu2Ul)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 10, 2014, 10:21:17 pm
PKP will announce his leadership bid in 2 weeks. Glorious news. (http://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/politique/2014/11/10/001-peladeau-parti-quebecois-candidat.shtml)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: useful idiot on November 11, 2014, 04:15:59 pm
PKP will announce his leadership bid in 2 weeks. Glorious news. (http://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/politique/2014/11/10/001-peladeau-parti-quebecois-candidat.shtml)

Why is Peladeau so popular with PQ members? Especially considering he is a newcomer, is seen as an odd fit ideologically (aside from sovereignty), and was at the very least unhelpful in the PQ's disastrous election campaign this year?

Lisee has the sovereigntist credentials and a history in the party and Cloutier seems young and fairly serious. What segments of the PQ do each of the candidates represent?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 11, 2014, 04:31:27 pm
Poaching the CAQ's clientele and messianism. It'll end no better than Ryan did for the PLQ... perhaps worse.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on November 12, 2014, 09:33:34 pm
The Tories are doing their best to buy my vote. I'm annoyed with them and tempted to spoil my ballot, and along comes income splitting :P


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 13, 2014, 04:11:40 pm
Ghiz is resigning upon his successor's election, said he's accomplished most of his goals and wants to spend more time with his family.  (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/pei-premier-robert-ghiz-to-resign/article21571942/?cmpid=rss1&click=dlvr.it)Selinger has all but expelled the dissenters from caucus. (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/11/13/selinger-moves-on-dissident-members/#.VGUaTY10z4h)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Boston Bread on November 14, 2014, 08:11:56 pm
Waiting to see whether Horwath survives as ONDP leader.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: King of Kensington on November 15, 2014, 12:31:00 am
I think she will.  As poorly executed as the last campaign was - and really there's no excuse for sacrificing 3 Toronto MPPs - nobody is waiting in the wings and Andrea Horwath's rhetorical shift to the left is probably enough.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Boston Bread on November 15, 2014, 09:01:10 pm
Horwath made the test.
https://twitter.com/spaikin/status/533769193754468352
77% is surprisingly high considering she got a similar number at the height of her popularity. I guess party members are convinced of her newfound commitment to the party base? That and the fact that there isn't a clearly better alternative.
Unfortunately I doubt Horwath's popularity (especially in the GTA) will recover to the levels she would need to be competitive in forming government. Hopefully she proves me wrong.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: KingSweden on November 17, 2014, 11:19:18 pm
Ghiz is resigning upon his successor's election, said he's accomplished most of his goals and wants to spend more time with his family.  (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/pei-premier-robert-ghiz-to-resign/article21571942/?cmpid=rss1&click=dlvr.it)Selinger has all but expelled the dissenters from caucus. (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/11/13/selinger-moves-on-dissident-members/#.VGUaTY10z4h)

RB, who is the most likely Liberal to take over for Ghiz?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 17, 2014, 11:22:33 pm
I know nothing of Atlantic politics.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on November 18, 2014, 02:53:40 pm
That's OK, no one knows anything about PEI politics. Good bet who ever comes next will be a Gaudet (pronounced Good-ee on the island) or Gallant ;)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on November 18, 2014, 05:15:42 pm
That's OK, no one knows anything about PEI politics.

This is true.

Federal Liberals courting former Tory Bill Casey (http://thechronicleherald.ca/novascotia/1251581-federal-liberals-courting-former-tory-bill-casey)

Of course it can't be true because Casey's pro-life, anti-gay marriage views will prevent Trudeau from signing his nomination papers ::)

h/t Rogue Beaver


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 18, 2014, 05:21:34 pm
Yeah, but running means he's leaving that behind. Do you think he wins, DC?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on November 18, 2014, 05:39:02 pm
Yeah, but running means he's leaving that behind. Do you think he wins, DC?

Absolutely. My proportional swing model already has Cumberland-Colchester as a Liberal pick up, before the effect of any star candidacy. Besides, Casey is ridiculously popular in Nova Scotia. I saw a decent # of write-ins for him in Halifax West in 2011 while scrutineering.

My guess is he wins something like 55-30


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on November 18, 2014, 07:17:29 pm
Write ins? What ???

You know the Tories are in trouble if they're losing Cumberland-Colchester.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on November 18, 2014, 09:35:04 pm
Write ins? What ???

I saw several ballots with a candidate's name crossed out and "Bill Casey" written next to it. They were counted as spoiled ballots.

You know the Tories are in trouble if they're losing Cumberland-Colchester.

Yeah, Atlantic Canada's going to be a bloodbath.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Poirot on November 18, 2014, 09:54:41 pm
On the news they said MP Maria Mourani (Ahunstic in Montreal) had meetings with NDP and it is speculated she would probably join that party.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 18, 2014, 10:20:17 pm
More on those sexual harassment allegations: Craig Scott, who participated in some meetings, said given his info on one of the allegations, it could be defined as alleged sexual assault.  (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/11/18/secretive-commons-board-meets-on-harassment/#.VGwIp410zIV)

Mourani link.  (http://tvanouvelles.ca/lcn/infos/national/archives/2014/11/20141118-182125.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on November 18, 2014, 11:19:08 pm
Write ins? What ???

I saw several ballots with a candidate's name crossed out and "Bill Casey" written next to it. They were counted as spoiled ballots.



How is that possible? Aren't the ballots black? You'd have to write the name in one of the circles.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: andrew_c on November 19, 2014, 02:04:47 am
There's enough blank space on each ballot line to write something in it.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: True Federalist on November 19, 2014, 02:06:18 am
Why no write-ins?  I can understand that in party primaries, but unless it's ludicrously easy to get on the ballot at the last moment, I fail to see why it shouldn't be an option.  Granted, there seldom is a need to count them.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on November 19, 2014, 03:26:25 am
Why no write-ins?  I can understand that in party primaries, but unless it's ludicrously easy to get on the ballot at the last moment, I fail to see why it shouldn't be an option.  Granted, there seldom is a need to count them.

Write-ins pretty much only exist in the USA. But, yes, it's easy to get on the ballot. You have until 19 days before the election to get on the ballot. You must also have 50 or 100 signatures (depends of the population) and a 1000$ deposit (reimbursed if you fill correctly your financial returns and didn't spent more than legally authorized).


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 19, 2014, 09:25:43 am
New QC CROP: NDP retains their double-digit lead among Francophones.  (http://plus.lapresse.ca/screens/02ef6195-66d6-49c7-afd0-af566ac5e005%7CkyJQD8uZORoV.html)

New harassment policy remains closed-door as expected. (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/11/19/tories-harassment-policy-john-duncan_n_6184126.html?utm_hp_ref=tw)

Mourani will join the NDP next year but remain an Indie till then.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on November 19, 2014, 09:44:45 am
Why no write-ins?  I can understand that in party primaries, but unless it's ludicrously easy to get on the ballot at the last moment, I fail to see why it shouldn't be an option.  Granted, there seldom is a need to count them.

One of the few areas where the US is more democratic than Canada (that and having an elected Senate :P ) I would've considered voting write-in in the last municipal elections.

Here's what a typical ballot looks like:

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There is some white space, yes, but it would have to be in a candidate area. I've only scrutinized a ballot count once, and there were no spoilt ballots, letalone people writing things in.

New QC CROP: NDP retains their double-digit lead among Francophones.  (http://plus.lapresse.ca/screens/02ef6195-66d6-49c7-afd0-af566ac5e005%7CkyJQD8uZORoV.html)

New harassment policy remains closed-door as expected. (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/11/19/tories-harassment-policy-john-duncan_n_6184126.html?utm_hp_ref=tw)

Mourani will join the NDP next year but remain an Indie till then.

This is because the NDP doesn't tolerate floor crossing. Same thing happened in NB with Bev Harrison.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 19, 2014, 10:02:04 am
CBC now reporting that she'll join the caucus, and Mulcair put out a media advisory about a "major announcement" later today. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/maria-mourani-ex-bloc-mp-to-join-ndp-caucus-1.2840214)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on November 19, 2014, 02:28:15 pm
I eagerly await the promised byelection in Ahuntsic


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on November 19, 2014, 05:17:45 pm
Why no write-ins?  I can understand that in party primaries, but unless it's ludicrously easy to get on the ballot at the last moment, I fail to see why it shouldn't be an option.  Granted, there seldom is a need to count them.

One of the few areas where the US is more democratic than Canada (that and having an elected Senate :P ) I would've considered voting write-in in the last municipal elections.

Here's what a typical ballot looks like:

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There is some white space, yes, but it would have to be in a candidate area. I've only scrutinized a ballot count once, and there were no spoilt ballots, letalone people writing things in.


Maybe it's a regional thing? Most spoiled ballots I've seen have something written in, even if its only an obscenity.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on November 19, 2014, 07:24:22 pm
My dear friend acquaintance who I'm Facebook friends with, Michael Sona is being sent to jail for 9 months :(


I eagerly await the promised byelection in Ahuntsic

They made a correction, she's not joining the caucus.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 19, 2014, 09:08:19 pm
So Mourani was talking to the Grits but it never really got anywhere. Given her QS support, I highly doubt she'd have accepted anyways.  (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ex-bloc-mp-maria-mourani-to-join-ndp/article21647945/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 19, 2014, 10:29:44 pm
I doubt Kinsella will be nominated in TO-Danforth, and he certainly won't beat Scott, but still funny. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/political-backroom-veteran-warren-kinsella-mulls-bid-for-trudeaus-liberals/article21652826/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on November 20, 2014, 01:24:27 am
I suspect Warren is doing his pundit career a favor and actively seeking out some reason to be denied the nomination so that he can then complain


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on November 20, 2014, 06:53:40 am
What a doofus.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 20, 2014, 11:14:14 pm
Trudeau looking for a retired female judge to conduct an internal review of the Pacetti/Andrews allegations. (http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/11/20/john-ivison-liberals-look-for-internal-review-to-end-muddle-over-mps-accused-of-misconduct/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on November 24, 2014, 02:26:54 pm
BREAKING: Sources say that Wildrose MLAs Kerry Towle (Innisfail-Sylvan Lake) and Ian Donovan (Little Bow) will cross the floor to the PCs. (http://globalnews.ca/news/1689194/wildrose-mlas-leave-party-to-join-pcs/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 24, 2014, 02:34:11 pm
Yeah, WR has had a rough time lately from what I've read. If Smith loses and leaves, dynasty gets to push 60 (!).


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on November 24, 2014, 10:35:46 pm
Yeah, WR has had a rough time lately from what I've read. If Smith loses and leaves, dynasty gets to push 60 (!).

PC's have found a winning formula.

1) Old leader resigns
2) New leader wins election
3) New leader is disgraced in some way
4) Repeat ad infinitum


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 24, 2014, 10:48:47 pm
^ Wish the dynastic culture returned to my province.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Boston Bread on November 24, 2014, 11:22:26 pm
^ Wish the dynastic culture returned to my province.
Careful what you ask for... the OLP are in a better position to create such a dynasty than the PCs. Wynne took over McGuinty's torch quite smoothly.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on November 25, 2014, 02:15:47 am
^ Wish the dynastic culture returned to my province.
Careful what you ask for... the OLP are in a better position to create such a dynasty than the PCs. Wynne took over McGuinty's torch quite smoothly.

Despite the avatar, RogueBeaver is from Québec.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: andrew_c on November 25, 2014, 04:01:46 am
It seems that whenever an opposition party comes close to defeating the Alberta PCs, that party implodes by the next election, and the PCs win.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 25, 2014, 09:20:31 am
One of the Dipper MPs says Pacetti had sex without explicit consent with her in March.  (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/11/25/ndp-harassment-allegations-massimo-pacetti_n_6216184.html?utm_hp_ref=tw)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on November 25, 2014, 11:27:32 am
Someone tell the Liberals that they weren't supposed to literally rape the NDP :(


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Boston Bread on November 25, 2014, 12:25:16 pm
One of the Dipper MPs says Pacetti had sex without explicit consent with her in March.  (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/11/25/ndp-harassment-allegations-massimo-pacetti_n_6216184.html?utm_hp_ref=tw)
Holy crap.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 25, 2014, 12:37:18 pm
There's still an impasse and we don't know what Andrews is alleged to have done.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 25, 2014, 05:25:13 pm
CBC: The MP says she wanted Trudeau to a) write to the Speaker first b) consult her on options.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on November 25, 2014, 05:31:38 pm
One of the Dipper MPs says Pacetti had sex without explicit consent with her in March.  (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/11/25/ndp-harassment-allegations-massimo-pacetti_n_6216184.html?utm_hp_ref=tw)
Holy crap.

What the...


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 25, 2014, 07:48:24 pm
Andrews allegedly followed Dipper #2 home, broke and entered, shoved her against a wall while groping her and grinding his pelvis against her. She ordered him to leave and he did. (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/11/25/new-information-surfaces-about-harassment-allegations-against-liberal-mps/#.VHUir410zIW)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on November 25, 2014, 09:08:21 pm
Andrews allegedly followed Dipper #2 home, broke and entered, shoved her against a wall while groping her and grinding his pelvis against her. She ordered him to leave and he did. (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/11/25/new-information-surfaces-about-harassment-allegations-against-liberal-mps/#.VHUir410zIW)

This is surreal.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Boston Bread on November 25, 2014, 10:21:53 pm
Hopefully these MPs will be gone from parliament soon.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 25, 2014, 10:42:52 pm
They'll be gone next year.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on November 26, 2014, 05:18:52 pm
They'll be gone next year.

Saint Leonard-Saint Michel has elected some pretty odious MP's, no?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hash on November 26, 2014, 05:43:32 pm
They'll be gone next year.

Saint Leonard-Saint Michel has elected some pretty odious MP's, no?

Yes, this rapist's predecessor was Gagliano.

In local political news: Biebertrudeau has apparently blocked a nomination meeting here in Ottawa-Orléans, to impose his star candidate Andrew Leslie (a retired CF Lt. Gen.) over the 2011 candidate/local lawyer David Bertschi (a good guy), who is now pretty peeved.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 26, 2014, 06:06:43 pm
Trudeau would have less candidate issues if he just used de jure appointments rather than de facto ones. That said, if Bertschi had debt issues...


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 26, 2014, 06:30:32 pm
Goldring: MPs should wear body-mounted cameras to "protect against besmirchment." (http://www.cp24.com/news/tory-mp-guard-against-false-harassment-allegations-with-recording-devices-1.2120916) What a fycking moron.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 26, 2014, 10:15:27 pm
Horrible story about the long history of sexual abuse/harassment/assault in the Cadet programs. (http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/canadian-military-cadet-program-has-a-sexual-assault-problem-documents-show-674?utm_source=vicetwitterca)

PMO forces Goldring to retract.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on November 27, 2014, 07:40:21 am
From this morning's Halifax Chronicle-Herald

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Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 27, 2014, 08:58:25 am
QC lawyer Suzanne Côté appointed to the Supreme Court as LeBel's replacement.  (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justice-et-affaires-criminelles/actualites-judiciaires/201411/27/01-4822888-ottawa-nomme-lavocate-suzanne-cote-a-la-cour-supreme-du-canada.php)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 27, 2014, 03:07:13 pm
PKP makes it official.  (http://montrealgazette.com/news/quebec/pierre-karl-peladeau-says-he-is-in-the-pq-leadership-race) Glorious news!

Pacetti's constituents feel he's been unfairly treated.  (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/11/27/liberal_brand_strong_in_massimo_pacettis_montreal_riding_voters_say.html)

Dipper 1 now regrets speaking to Trudeau.
 (http://globalnews.ca/news/1696427/ndp-mp-regrets-telling-trudeau-about-harassment-allegations/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hash on November 27, 2014, 05:13:02 pm
No surprise there, Saint-Léonard is horrible.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on November 27, 2014, 07:04:47 pm
Pacetti's constituents feel he's been unfairly treated.  (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/11/27/liberal_brand_strong_in_massimo_pacettis_montreal_riding_voters_say.html)

Havign family who lived there, it's not surprising. They probably think than it's a plot against Italo-Canadians, like they did with Gagliano and various Italians in the mafia/collusion/corruption/Charbonneau things.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 28, 2014, 07:04:07 pm
Andrews has previously been reprimanded for inappropriate behaviour towards a Grit staffer. (http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/11/28/liberal-mp-reprimanded-for-inappropriate-behaviour-before-recent-ndp-harassment-allegations/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on November 28, 2014, 10:56:47 pm
Sorry to jump back a bit

They'll be gone next year.

Saint Leonard-Saint Michel has elected some pretty odious MP's, no?

Yes, this rapist's predecessor was Gagliano.

In local political news: Biebertrudeau has apparently blocked a nomination meeting here in Ottawa-Orléans, to impose his star candidate Andrew Leslie (a retired CF Lt. Gen.) over the 2011 candidate/local lawyer David Bertschi (a good guy), who is now pretty peeved.

Firstly, how do you not get tired of repeating your childish nicknaming of politicians the world over?

Secondly, David Bertschi, who violated the leadership campaign spending rules 100% over (he borrowed $150,000 out of $75,000 total allowed and $25,000 allowed at any one time), and plagiarized his own logo http://waterbridgemedia.ca/portfolio/images/logo-bertschi.jpg (http://waterbridgemedia.ca/portfolio/images/logo-bertschi.jpg) from the British Conservative Party, is not a good guy

He's an a** who doesn't think that the pre-announced rules apply to him, and another one of the people who shouldn't have been on the leadership stage in the first place, so that he could prop up a future nomination.  I have little sympathy for Bertschi, and I have much more for the legitimate, non-plagiarizing candidates who have been blocked by party machinations elsewhere.   


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on November 28, 2014, 11:08:20 pm
Wont be the first time someone plagiarized a party logo.

Does this look familiar?

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Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on November 29, 2014, 12:37:29 am
It does, but it ignores the blatant violation of the campaign finance rules


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 30, 2014, 10:27:58 am
Michaëlle Jean is la Francophonie's new SG come January.  (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/micha%C3%ABlle-jean-chosen-as-new-head-of-la-francophonie-1.2855138?cmp=rss)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on November 30, 2014, 08:05:30 pm
Slightly old story, but too good not to share.

The son of Kings North MLA John Lohr broke into a luxury waterfront home and made his getaway via canoe!


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on November 30, 2014, 09:03:07 pm
Slightly old story, but too good not to share.

The son of Kings North MLA John Lohr broke into a luxury waterfront home and made his getaway via canoe!

Sadly, he died 4 days ago.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 01, 2014, 01:07:20 am
Den Tandt on Tory leadership. (http://o.canada.com/news/den-tandt-seven-contenders-who-stand-good-chance-to-lead-conservatives-in-post-harper-scenario) My take: Kenney is the Heir Apparent, full stop. MacKay is not running, having long ago been superseded by Moore as Red leader. Raitt: possible, she seems purplish from profiles I've read of her. Moore is the Red who'll lose to Kenney. Clement: his leadership days are long gone, though he's likely the next finance minister. Rempel: Swap her for Poilievre as "round after next" hopeful. Chris Alexander: very swingy riding, no indication of interest or in our career pol leadership culture.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on December 02, 2014, 08:00:55 am
The Green Party of Canada has a new deputy leader to replace former hockey player Georges Laraque. A Quebec ecologist, Daniel Green. Quite an appropriate name.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201412/01/01-4824296-parti-vert-daniel-green-remplace-georges-laraque.php (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201412/01/01-4824296-parti-vert-daniel-green-remplace-georges-laraque.php)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 02, 2014, 09:58:22 am
Harper won't fire Fantino.  (http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/12/01/john-ivison-julian-fantinos-best-chance-of-political-survival-would-be-a-show-of-humility/)

Agreed w/Funke.  (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/12/02/what-business-do-we-have-in-the-bedrooms-of-state/#.VH3QEI10zIU)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Wolverine22 on December 02, 2014, 04:44:24 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cXcRzQUtgI


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on December 02, 2014, 04:51:57 pm
Den Tandt on Tory leadership. (http://o.canada.com/news/den-tandt-seven-contenders-who-stand-good-chance-to-lead-conservatives-in-post-harper-scenario) My take: Kenney is the Heir Apparent, full stop. MacKay is not running, having long ago been superseded by Moore as Red leader. Raitt: possible, she seems purplish from profiles I've read of her. Moore is the Red who'll lose to Kenney. Clement: his leadership days are long gone, though he's likely the next finance minister. Rempel: Swap her for Poilievre as "round after next" hopeful. Chris Alexander: very swingy riding, no indication of interest or in our career pol leadership culture.

Agreed. Personally I think the race will be roughly as follows

1) Kenney
2) Moore
3) 1-2 MP's pushing an ideology or gunning to increase their profile
4) Random non politicians like you saw in the Liberal leadership. (Assuming the entry rules are loose)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on December 02, 2014, 05:03:22 pm
Personally, I don't think Kenney is electable as Prime Minister. McKay is probably the most electable Tory.

Problem for the Tories is, even though Kenney is the "heir apparent", Harper's tight ship hasn't allowed for many MPs to get much face time. Except for the constant scandals.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 02, 2014, 05:09:42 pm
Bernier would be in that ideology slot. I do not think Wall will run. Usual premier issues aside, why give up being Life Premier to either finish Harper's term and lose in 2019 or lose the first election in opposition?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 02, 2014, 05:25:36 pm
Everything else aside, MacKay's very weak. Who else in Cabinet had a key departmental function stripped, had PMO leak about his poor judgment?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on December 02, 2014, 05:35:45 pm
Those things would prevent MacKay from winning the Tory leadership, but would be irrelevant in a national campaign.

To be blunt, the Tories aren't going to beat Trudeau with an ugly fat guy as leader (which describes most of the so called "front runners") :P


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 02, 2014, 11:54:23 pm
Beliveau has died.  (http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/beliveau-obituary/)RIP. :( City flags will be lowered to half-mast.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on December 03, 2014, 02:05:21 am
MacKay isn't a moderate at all. He is an extremist, insulting victims of the Polytechnique shooting and their families. I'm quite sensitive on that, during one semester, I was passing right in front of the memorial to go and come back from a course.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/12/02/mulcair-mackay-polytechnique-shooting_n_6258388.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/12/02/mulcair-mackay-polytechnique-shooting_n_6258388.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 03, 2014, 05:57:50 pm
NDP MMP motion defeated 166-103.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on December 03, 2014, 08:21:44 pm
Surprisingly, some Liberals supported it. Wouldn't believe it by just reading the partisans on Twitter.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 03, 2014, 08:42:34 pm
Trudeau not among them. I have my doubts either opposition party touches the electoral system for the foreseeable future.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: ¢®🅰ß 🦀 ©@k€ 🎂 on December 03, 2014, 08:52:35 pm
How about on a provincial level? I know that Ontario are bringing in IRV local elections now.

BTW, how would changing the voting system work? Simple majority? Two-third? Referendum?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on December 03, 2014, 09:00:41 pm
Ontario is allowing municipalities to bring in IVR if they so choose. I very much doubt that will happen anywhere, unfortunately.

There have been many referendums for more democratic systems. They are usually purposefully burdened with misinformation campaigns and impossible to reach thresholds. BC's STV referendum saw STV win 57%, but needed 60% to pass. Ridiculousness!

After the failure of the MMP referendum in Ontario in 2007, electoral reform sort of died down. Problem is, most people don't understand the current system, let alone a more complicated voting system. And too many of those in power know that electoral reform will prevent themselves from ever achieving the same level of power.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 03, 2014, 09:30:50 pm
Ipsos national: 34L/33C/24N.  (http://globalnews.ca/news/1706091/liberals-and-tories-tied-in-latest-poll-of-federal-party-support/)

Ivison: Harper's mojo is back. (http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/12/03/john-ivison-harper-has-his-mojo-back-pm-gaining-support-thanks-to-foreign-policy-triumphs-and-tax-cuts/) Would be something if we tied Macdonald and Laurier.

Mulcair musing about a new gun registry. (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/12/03/ndp-government-would-revive-gun-registry-without-the-flaws-mulcair/#.VH_G_Y10zIV)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 05, 2014, 01:37:56 pm
Trudeau hires a lawyer to internally review the harassment allegations. (http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-names-lawyer-to-probe-mp-misconduct-claims-1.2134813)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Boston Bread on December 05, 2014, 03:31:35 pm
The federal liberals support STV don't they? I could easily see them considering it if they win because it would still give them a chance to obtain a majority and possibly hurt their rivals. MMP is more of an NDP thing so the liberal leaders not supporting it isn't an indication they oppose any electoral reform.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on December 05, 2014, 06:46:09 pm
I think, if anything, the Liberals support AV. Makes sense, as they would stand the most benefit from it.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: andrew_c on December 05, 2014, 07:34:44 pm
Liberal results under AV would be about a 5% boost on top of what they get now.  It's the easiest path to government for them.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Boston Bread on December 05, 2014, 07:42:45 pm
Liberal results under AV would be about a 5% boost on top of what they get now.  It's the easiest path to government for them.
According to Grenier, the NDP would get second seat-wise under a preferential ballot system, even more than under MPP, with current polling because Bloc voters preference them over Liberals = automatic orange crush in QC and in CPC-NDP fights liberals preference NDP over conservative. So most of all CPC would get screwed over at least in the short term.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on December 05, 2014, 09:59:11 pm
Conservatives would get screwed, but outside of Quebec it would hurt the NDP as well. We saw that in the last federal election just as many Liberal voters swung Tory as they did to the NDP.

AV would strictly benefit the Liberals, and would force to the Tories to moderate themselves in order to be competitive.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 06, 2014, 07:57:48 pm
Leslie was nominated tonight, but Bertschi crashed the party and it got fairly ugly. (http://ottawacitizen.com/news/politics/leslie-acclaimed-liberal-candidate-in-ottawa-orleans-in-chaotic-meeting) Not quite Iggy '05 ugly. As I've said before, Trudeau should just appoint his star candidates and spare everyone the finksing charade.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on December 06, 2014, 08:23:28 pm
I see the Citizen is still referring to the riding by its old name.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on December 07, 2014, 09:08:00 am
I wonder what the hold up is for the Tories in Halifax.

The Liberals have nominated all four of their candidates and the NDP have 3/4 nominated (all except my riding). The Tories haven't nominated anyone yet. We're almost certainly running the guy we ran last time, since no one else is interested that I know of.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on December 07, 2014, 10:22:34 am
Maybe because the Tories have no chance at any Halifax seats?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: LaRouche Lives Forever! on December 07, 2014, 01:29:30 pm
I wonder what the hold up is for the Tories in Halifax.

The Liberals have nominated all four of their candidates and the NDP have 3/4 nominated (all except my riding). The Tories haven't nominated anyone yet. We're almost certainly running the guy we ran last time, since no one else is interested that I know of.
How are nominations handled? Does every district party association meet and vote on a certain candidate or does the federal party select each candidate?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 07, 2014, 01:39:52 pm
Usually the former. Party leader can override the riding association by appointing (usually done for star candidates parachuted in), or vetoing a candidate, a party committee known as the "green-light committee" does candidate vetting. Their decisions can of course be overridden by the leader, so in practice they reflect HQ's preferences.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on December 07, 2014, 03:16:28 pm
Except for rare occasions, the establishment candidate always wins these things. Nomination races are usually shams. I admit that the Tories are probably the most democratic with their nominations.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 08, 2014, 09:09:00 am
Mulroney supports abolishing supply management. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/canadians-paying-high-price-for-supply-management-system/article21983265/) Hear hear.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 08, 2014, 10:35:10 am
Breaking: Our (QC) ex-LG Lise Thibault has pled guilty on fraud and abuse of trust.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on December 09, 2014, 05:26:55 pm
The quarterly Atlantic Canada poll is out

Newfoundland & Labrador
Lib: 60% (+2)
PC: 29% (+3)
NDP: 10% (-5) 

Nova Scotia
Lib: 64% (+1)
PC: 18% (-2)
NDP: 15% (+1)

PEI
Lib: 50% (+2)
PC: 23% (-5)
NDP: 15% (-1)
Green: 11% (+4)

New Brunswick
Lib: 52% (+4)
PC: 23% (-6)
NDP: 14% (-3)
Green: 9% (+5)


Takeaways:
1) NB Liberals are on their honeymoon after gaining office in September
2) David Coon's election has given the Greens more exposure
3) Holy crap the NS Liberals are popular


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on December 09, 2014, 05:33:30 pm
Guess that increase in Liberal support is everywhere outside of Saint John East :p


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 09, 2014, 07:17:47 pm
Harper confirms what we already knew: no new resource regulations. (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/12/09/harper-calls-oil-and-gas-regs-crazy-economic-policy-in-times-of-cheap-oil/#.VIePXY10z4h)

Poilievre may have some more Elections Act amendments planned. (http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/the-gargoyle-poilievre-met-with-chief-electoral-officer-over-new-elections-law-changes)

Harper partially disowns veterans charter. (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/12/09/harper-partially-disowns-veterans-charter-as-opposition-demands-fantino-resign/#.VIeQFI10z4i)

Another controversial Trudeau appointment, this time in BC. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/b-c-sikhs-quit-liberals-to-protest-justin-trudeau-s-star-candidate-1.2866343)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Citizen Hats on December 10, 2014, 04:05:01 pm
What did robert ghiz do to become so unpopular?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 10, 2014, 04:06:51 pm
Being ahead 2-1 is unpopular? Geez, what's your definition of popular. :P

Bellegarde is the new National Chief.
 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/perry-bellegarde-named-new-afn-national-chief-1.2866977)

The Hill finally has a harassment policy. (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/12/10/house_of_commons_has_new_harassment_policy_for_mps_staff.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 12, 2014, 04:50:08 pm
Great Hebert column on the leaders' future. (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/12/12/federal_leaders_futures_as_uncertain_as_election_outcome_hbert.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 13, 2014, 09:32:04 am
Leger federal and provincial poll. (http://www.ledevoir.com/documents/pdf/sondage13dec.pdf) 38/32/19/6 federally, 34/29/17/16 here. Provincially: 34/26/26 PLQ, most of their economic plan approved for now.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 13, 2014, 03:06:08 pm
Mini-shuffle: O'Toole replaces Fantino, Leitch also may move. (http://looniepolitics.com/impending-cabinet-shuffle/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Lincoln Republican on December 15, 2014, 03:05:33 pm
Question for Hatman and RogueBeaver or anyone else who wishes to comment

How many of the current crop of NDP Members of Parliament from Quebec will survive the next election in your estimation?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 15, 2014, 03:22:15 pm
Honestly depends. I'd say 30-35 right now. Rural ridings remain NDP.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: ¢®🅰ß 🦀 ©@k€ 🎂 on December 15, 2014, 03:37:59 pm
Will Mulcair's stance on the gun register hurt him amongst rural voters though?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 15, 2014, 03:48:16 pm
In a word, no.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on December 15, 2014, 05:11:24 pm
Question for Hatman and RogueBeaver or anyone else who wishes to comment

How many of the current crop of NDP Members of Parliament from Quebec will survive the next election in your estimation?

Roughly 30 are safe due to their only relevant opposition (the Bloc Quebecois) being in even worse shape than they are. These are mostly in rural Quebec and parts of Montreal.

10ish are lost causes. These are mostly in Montreal and will be picked up by the Liberals.

The remaining ridings will depend on vote splits. The Liberals will win a few ridings in rural Quebec, the Tories might be able to snag a seat or two around Quebec City, but the NDP should hold a few of these.

I expect the Bloc Quebecois & Forces et Democratie to not win any seats.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on December 15, 2014, 08:19:39 pm
Question for Hatman and RogueBeaver or anyone else who wishes to comment

How many of the current crop of NDP Members of Parliament from Quebec will survive the next election in your estimation?

Roughly 30 are safe due to their only relevant opposition (the Bloc Quebecois) being in even worse shape than they are. These are mostly in rural Quebec and parts of Montreal.

10ish are lost causes. These are mostly in Montreal and will be picked up by the Liberals.

The remaining ridings will depend on vote splits. The Liberals will win a few ridings in rural Quebec, the Tories might be able to snag a seat or two around Quebec City, but the NDP should hold a few of these.

I expect the Bloc Quebecois & Forces et Democratie to not win any seats.


They should hold most of their seats in the 450 area code (Montreal suburbs) as well. Outside of Quebec, the NDP is looking at mid 2000s level support, and may only win 20 or so seats.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 15, 2014, 11:45:46 pm
Wildrose will either rejoin the Tories or disintegrate. So Prentice will accept their unconditional surrender, perhaps a token slot or 2 for Wildrose, tank all their nominations in 2016.  (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/wildrose-caucus-to-meet-to-talk-about-merging-with-conservatives-sources/article22100272/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on December 16, 2014, 06:31:52 am
What the heck


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 16, 2014, 09:11:22 am
Sun has obtained the document. It outlines some policies which Prentice promises to adopt and says that Prentice will ensure the Wildroses be nominated as Tories in 2016. (http://www.edmontonsun.com/2014/12/16/document-details-conditions-for-wildrose-to-join-progressive-conservatives)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 16, 2014, 10:14:49 am
Via David Akin, here's Thibault's statement. His reference to mandate letters sounds like he's getting either a PS or Cabinet slot. (https://www.facebook.com/davidakin/posts/1036534816372861)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: ¢®🅰ß 🦀 ©@k€ 🎂 on December 16, 2014, 12:20:52 pm
Huh. I remember when everyone was running around declaring that the Alberta PC's were completely dead in the water. What weird end for Wildrose.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: politicus on December 16, 2014, 01:15:10 pm
Huh. I remember when everyone was running around declaring that the Alberta PC's were completely dead in the water. What weird end for Wildrose.

Copying your opponents policy is often an efficient weapon.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on December 16, 2014, 02:15:19 pm
The WRP President is vowing to fight the rumoured merger movement. (http://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/wildrose-party-president-vows-to-fight-backroom-deal-merger)

Personally, I'm not too fond of this merger idea anyways.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on December 16, 2014, 02:22:42 pm
time to jump ship njall ;)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on December 16, 2014, 02:53:37 pm
time to jump ship njall ;)

Haha, we'll have to see how this plays out first.

On a random sidenote, if the merger happens and/or if 11 or more WRP MLAs cross the floor, then once Kent Hehr and Darshan Kang step down for their federal runs, Rachel Notley will become the first NDP Leader of the Official Opposition since 1993.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Boston Bread on December 16, 2014, 03:45:08 pm
How does a party just give up like that? Wasn't Wildrose expecting to form government if they just kept at it for a decade or so?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on December 16, 2014, 04:41:43 pm
How does a party just give up like that?

Indeed. Something just doesn't make sense.

The most recent poll on wikipedia has the Tories up 6 points. That's nowhere near "all is lost" territory. What gives?

Also, there's still a core constituency that hates the PC's so I imagine there will be an alternative voice for conservatives next election, regardless of what happens.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Boston Bread on December 16, 2014, 04:44:45 pm
Is a Wildrose implosion a potential catalyst for the Libertarians to finally become relevant somewhere?


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on December 16, 2014, 04:58:48 pm
Is a Wildrose implosion a potential catalyst for the Libertarians to finally become relevant somewhere?

Doubtful. Because a) Wildrose's best region is very socon. b) Its the Libertarians.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 16, 2014, 05:04:22 pm
Braid says Prentice's dream is uniting the right and a Liberal OO, which requires 9 (of 13) Wildrose defections.  (http://www.canada.com/news/alberta/Braid+Bizarre+merger+pitch+could+doom+Wildrose/10656431/story.html)There's also the question of who gets that bank account. Smith might be a minister, Anderson an associate minister. What's left of Wildrose will hold a leadership convention soon.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 16, 2014, 06:44:21 pm
Albertan journos I'm reading say Prentice has 7 so far, needs 9 for a Liberal OO.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on December 16, 2014, 08:17:17 pm
Albertan journos I'm reading say Prentice has 7 so far, needs 9 for a Liberal OO.

He'd actually need 10 to either cross the floor or sit as independents; the WRP has 14 seats right now, and the ALP has 5.

Twitter is telling me that the following 7 WRP MLAs have voted to join the PCs:
Rob Anderson (Airdrie)
Gary Bikman (Cardston-Taber-Warner)
Jason Hale (Strathmore-Brooks)
Blake Pedersen (Medicine Hat)
Danielle Smith (Highwood)
Pat Stier (Livingstone-Macleod)
Jeff Wilson (Calgary-Shaw)


If true, this means that the Wildrose caucus will be left with 7 members, and the PC caucus will grow to 70.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 16, 2014, 08:18:42 pm
Confirmed by CBC: 7.  (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/7-wildrose-mlas-will-cross-to-alberta-pc-party-1.2875672)

Agreed w/Den Tandt. (http://o.canada.com/news/national/for-good-or-ill-prime-minister-stephen-harpers-style-is-baked-in)

Ivison: Defection sign of the times for Dippers. Says rumours of more Dipper-Grit defections and the Grits are actively courting GTA Dippers. (http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/12/16/john-ivison-latest-ndp-defection-speaks-volumes-about-which-direction-the-partys-fortunes-are-heading/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on December 16, 2014, 08:23:46 pm
If there's one province that doesn't need to "unite the right" it's Alberta. This is most disappointing. Just when Alberta politics were about to get interesting.

Danielle Smith was a good leader for the party, I doubt they can find someone of similar qualities.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on December 16, 2014, 08:25:07 pm
1) So of the 7, how many of those would be right wing hold outs?

2) Why the heck are they merging? The party is ok in the polls and Prentice is hardly an arch-conservative.

3) Polls! My kingdom for a poll!


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on December 16, 2014, 08:25:44 pm
If there's one province that doesn't need to "unite the right" it's Alberta. This is most disappointing. Just when Alberta politics were about to get interesting.

Indeed, the god of political junkies has turned his back on us :(


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 16, 2014, 09:14:36 pm
Per Boessenkool, merger has Harper's blessing.  (https://twitter.com/KenBoessenkool/status/545029183324172289)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 16, 2014, 10:29:38 pm
Lots of interesting stuff from Boessenkool on Twitter. He said merger has been in the works for over a year, plus other tidbits.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 16, 2014, 11:02:04 pm
Smith and Anderson will join the Cabinet. (http://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/wildrose-party-president-vows-to-fight-backroom-deal-merger)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on December 16, 2014, 11:31:17 pm
Smith and Anderson will join the Cabinet. (http://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/wildrose-party-president-vows-to-fight-backroom-deal-merger)

That better turn out to be wrong.  Not so much about Smith, but I can't stand Anderson, and I really don't like the idea of rewarding a serial opportunist who left the party when things looked bleak and would probably beg on his hands and knees to be let back in now.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Boston Bread on December 16, 2014, 11:41:13 pm
Amazing that Danielle Smith is among the crossers! She was probably screaming about their traitors not that long ago.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/danielle-smith-among-wildrose-mlas-crossing-to-alberta-pc-party-1.2875672
They may lose opposition status soon.
I don't think it's right for PC to give the crossers any power though. Seems a little shady.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: MaxQue on December 17, 2014, 12:05:46 am
PC betrayed its voters by allowing Wildrose to access any inch of power. If people wanted Danielle Smith in the Canibet, they would have voted for her.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on December 17, 2014, 01:43:04 am
PC betrayed its voters by allowing Wildrose to access any inch of power. If people wanted Danielle Smith in the Canibet, they would have voted for her.

Keep in mind that no firm decisions have been made yet.  My MLA has been reaching out to our board of directors for input to take into the PC caucus meeting tomorrow morning.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on December 17, 2014, 07:50:28 am
I guess it's impossible to keep conservatives apart for very long. I imagine UKIP wont last very long in Britain, either.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 17, 2014, 10:42:28 am
Braid suggesting Smith gets Treasury Board and Anderson Solicitor-General by splitting those portfolios.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: True Federalist on December 17, 2014, 11:30:35 am
I guess it's impossible to keep conservatives apart for very long. I imagine UKIP wont last very long in Britain, either.
Or perhaps UKIP will end up absorbing the remnants of the Tories.  Granted, not very likely, but neither is it impossible.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on December 17, 2014, 02:25:15 pm
There are now reports that 9 MLAs will cross the floor.  Rod Fox (Lacombe-Ponoka), Bruce McAllister (Chestermere-Rocky View), and Bruce Rowe (Olds-Didsbury-Three Hills) have been mentioned as crossing in addition to the six identified earlier.  I'm also hearing that WRP MLA Heather Forsyth (Calgary-Fish Creek) will resign effective Jan. 1 for health reasons.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: njwes on December 17, 2014, 11:05:53 pm
So has any compelling reason emerged for this merger? I was looking forward to the next election :'(


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on December 18, 2014, 10:11:02 am
Great piece by Dave Cournoyer explaining what happened: http://daveberta.ca/2014/12/wildrose-party-danielle-smith-jim-prentice-floor-crossing/


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: You kip if you want to... on December 18, 2014, 01:25:04 pm
Not exactly the healthiest thing for a province with an already unhealthy attachment to one party.

If I were a PC, I wouldn't trust their kind as far as I could throw them. Danielle Smith, the Nick Clegg of the Canadian right?

http://www.timescolonist.com/opinion/columnists/recent-quotes-from-alberta-s-danielle-smith-1.1686899


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on December 18, 2014, 04:20:15 pm
So has any compelling reason emerged for this merger? I was looking forward to the next election :'(

It's not quite a merger yet (http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/12/18/wildrose-slaps-down-danielle-smiths-reunification-plan-in-unanimous-vote/)... just a crippling mass defection.

As for reasons; careerism, access to power etc.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Linus Van Pelt on December 18, 2014, 09:51:44 pm
The basic idea of the Alberta PC party is to use oil revenues to fund a welfare state comparable to other provinces with a much lower rate of taxation. It's hard to run to the right of this, because most conservative voters' - as opposed to conservative activists' - dislike of services is just grounded in their dislike of having to pay for the taxes that pay for them. It may also be on the MLA's mind that the recent drop in oil prices will make this even harder.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 18, 2014, 10:06:16 pm
Back to federal politics: CBC panel believes 1) economy/jobs 2) leadership/ethics 3) energy/environment 4) national security 5) surplus will be top electoral issues. My list would be Economy, Energy, Leadership.

Typically great article from UC's Paul Fairie on Alberta's saga being continuous with its history of business dynasties. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/alberta/democracy-in-alberta-is-about-management-not-ideology/article22153413/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Fmr. Assemblyman Njall on December 19, 2014, 02:17:49 am
Not exactly the healthiest thing for a province with an already unhealthy attachment to one party.

If I were a PC, I wouldn't trust their kind as far as I could throw them. Danielle Smith, the Nick Clegg of the Canadian right?

http://www.timescolonist.com/opinion/columnists/recent-quotes-from-alberta-s-danielle-smith-1.1686899

It would appear that many of us PCs would share your opinion.  Unfortunately, I wasn't able to be on the PC board of directors conference call on Tuesday (as I had two exams that day), but a friend of mine who was characterized it as a 'gongshow.'  Numerous MLAs and members of the party's board of directors are wary of how this whole series of events will turn out in the long run. 


So has any compelling reason emerged for this merger? I was looking forward to the next election :'(

Smith's given rationale has been that, essentially, the socons in her party eventually drove her out (http://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/smith-says-her-only-option-was-to-abandon-wildrose)


The basic idea of the Alberta PC party is to use oil revenues to fund a welfare state comparable to other provinces with a much lower rate of taxation. It's hard to run to the right of this, because most conservative voters' - as opposed to conservative activists' - dislike of services is just grounded in their dislike of having to pay for the taxes that pay for them. It may also be on the MLA's mind that the recent drop in oil prices will make this even harder.

That's pretty true, more or less.  That's not to say I completely agree with that orientation as an active PC member, but it is hard to find fault with that analysis.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on December 19, 2014, 06:44:30 am
The PCs won a lot of support last election from moderates who normally vote Liberal/NDP in an effort to stop Wild Rose. This flies in the face of those people. One could say they get what they deserve, as someone on the centre-left should never settle for a party on the right (I'm looking at you, John Tory voters).


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 19, 2014, 09:19:15 am
CROP provincial: 35/28/27.
 (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-quebecoise/201412/19/01-4829610-sondage-cropla-presse-quand-decembre-revient.php?utm_categorieinterne=trafficdrivers&utm_contenuinterne=cyberpresse_B13b_politique_2275309_section_POS2)

CROP federal: (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201412/18/01-4829565-sondage-cropla-presse-la-cote-du-plc-a-la-hausse.php?utm_categorieinterne=trafficdrivers&utm_contenuinterne=cyberpresse_vous_suggere_4829610_article_POS1) 33/30/21/12 among Francophones, 37/30/17/13 topline.

Quebec City: 37/31/21.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on December 19, 2014, 04:45:04 pm
The PCs won a lot of support last election from moderates who normally vote Liberal/NDP in an effort to stop Wild Rose. This flies in the face of those people. One could say they get what they deserve, as someone on the centre-left should never settle for a party on the right (I'm looking at you, John Tory voters).

It should make for an interesting election in 2015.

Fantasy scenario: PC's crash and burn as lefties leave for progressive parties and right wingers go to Wildrose :D


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 19, 2014, 11:49:35 pm
Trudeau's interviews: carbon price yes, (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/12/19/cynicism_and_division_are_legacy_of_tory_rule_trudeau_says.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed) tax increases no, childcare bonus maybe, coalition no. (http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/12/19/justin-trudeau-rules-out-coalition-with-ndp-says-immediate-action-needed-on-climate-change/) CBC panel ranks him #1 pol to watch next year. So a bit of a retreat on childcare.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on December 20, 2014, 10:58:27 pm
Participated in a Forum poll today about the state if politics in Ontario. Got the seasonal questions about "Happy Holidays" vs. "Merry Christmas."

I was disappointed that they didn't ask where I place myself on the political spectrum. To them, I'll just look like a typical Liberal, which isn't very accurate. But whatevs. 


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on December 21, 2014, 08:19:36 am
Participated in a Forum poll today about the state if politics in Ontario. Got the seasonal questions about "Happy Holidays" vs. "Merry Christmas."

I was disappointed that they didn't ask where I place myself on the political spectrum. To them, I'll just look like a typical Liberal, which isn't very accurate. But whatevs. 

What are you exactly? I've never been able to figure it out.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 21, 2014, 09:26:36 am
Cirillo and Vincent have been named Newsmakers of the Year. (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/12/21/slain-soldiers-canadas-newsmaker-of-the-year/#.VJbNLv8Dc)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on December 21, 2014, 01:57:11 pm
Participated in a Forum poll today about the state if politics in Ontario. Got the seasonal questions about "Happy Holidays" vs. "Merry Christmas."

I was disappointed that they didn't ask where I place myself on the political spectrum. To them, I'll just look like a typical Liberal, which isn't very accurate. But whatevs. 

What are you exactly? I've never been able to figure it out.

People laugh when I say "pro-union centre-rightist," but I do think that's the most accurate description. In the end I guess it evens out to being a bit of a moderate. I will vote for the federal Conservatives for the foreseeable future, but the PCs in Ontario have disqualified themselves from contention during the last few elections. Probably would've voted for the party under Jon Tory. Christine Elliott may yet be able to win my vote. But right now I have to go for the Liberals, even though I'm disgusted by their lack of restraint in certain areas.


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 21, 2014, 02:06:29 pm
Mulcair won't rule out a coalition.  (http://globalnews.ca/news/1738464/coalition-in-2015-maybe-mulcair-says/)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: politicus on December 21, 2014, 02:13:46 pm
People laugh when I say "pro-union centre-rightist," but I do think that's the most accurate description.

That's a common position here in Denmark based on the belief that strong unions allow employers and employees to work things out without the government having to interfere (or having a pretext to do so). Our Conservatives have generally been quite union friendly for that reason, but it seems to be an exotic position outside of Scandinavia,


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 21, 2014, 03:09:30 pm
Awful story out of BC. (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/12/20/girls_discredited_story_of_sex_assault_cost_dad_chance_at_job.html)


Title: Re: Canada General Discussion 1.5: The Countdown Begins
Post by: DC Al Fine on December 21, 2014, 05:33:03 pm
Participated in a Forum poll today about the state if politics in Ontario. Got the seasonal questions about "Happy Holidays" vs. "Merry Christmas."

I was disappointed that they didn't ask where I place myself on the political spectrum. To them, I'll just look like a typical Liberal, which isn't very accurate. But whatevs. 

What are you exactly? I've never been able to figure it out.

People laugh when I say "pro-union centre-rightist," but I do think that's the most accurate description. In the end I guess it evens out to being a bit of a moderate. I will vote for the federal Conservatives for the foreseeable future, but the PCs in Ontario have disqualified themselves from contention during the last few elections. Probably would've voted for the party under Jon Tory. Christine Elliott may yet be able to win my vote. But right now I have to go for the Liberals, even though I'm disgusted by their lack of restraint in certain areas.

Thanks for the info. I don't follow Ontario politics too closely, but even I was tempted to vote Liberal last time. Too bad Wynne insisted on buggering up a decent solution