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Sponsor: Windjammer

To be honest, I'm not trolling at all.
Aliens should be have the same rights than humans, if they aren't dangerous I don't see why they couldn't have human rights.

I surely wondered! :P

Ehhhhh... I might actually veto this one if it passes the Althing, and not only because of how unexpected this bill is. I mean, is this even constitutional?

I honestly can't deal with this bill. It makes me laugh. But Amity is home to a mountain with numerous alien run ins reported. So it could actually apply.

Well, I like this bill. Let's be prepared to embrace our crop circle-making visitors when the time comes ;)

Certainly extraterrestrials should be granted immediate Midwestern citizenship, along with the traditional *hughughug*.

Do you believe this bill would be unconstitutionnal ilikeverin? :P

I'd like to propose an amendment.

Midwest would be the first region to have this typology of law?

I think so, but I don't think we should be leading the nation on this...

Why?

Well, I honestly think that if we are going to discuss this issue (which seems unlikely, given that lack of contact with extraterrestrial life forms), we should do in the national level, I don't think it's up to the Most Serene Republic to actually legislate about aliens. That for one side, and the other one is that is bill, no matter how serious, it's unlikely to be taken seriously by the rest of the nation, even if that is a small concern.

You did say we need a little more wacky.

Yeah, but isn't this going a little bit too far? xD

Well, it's not like we're granting equal rights to sofas and dromedary camels.

Well, I'll offer an amendment:


Some extra words, a few mentions to our Most Serene Republic and a small change in language. Nothing really important, but I guess it's better to be more detailed when dealing with this.

How do you know that the aliens won't be dangerous?

Oups sorry. Where is the problem? If a human is dangerous, he's arrested, isn't he?

I mean if their goal as a species is to invade us. I can understand no torture, but there is no way we can possibly estimate how they will fit into our society as a species. If they think as a collective and try to invade us, why would we give them all a separate trial for example? I just think this is too speculative without possibly knowing what they are going to be like.

Good to see the Midwest is dealing with the important issues. ???

It's an important issue Oakvale! I guess no one will trust me, but I'm not trolling!

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Just one word: Guantanamo.

The biology of an alien is not the same as the biology of a human. There are just so many unknown variables here that you cannot possibly legislate this reliably when you don't know what you are even dealing with.

Could you explain please? I don't understand what you want to say!

What I'm saying is that there could be alien life that we cannot even comprehend. How are they supposed to be subject to the same laws as humans? For example, a species that thinks as a collective, all with the intent of invading us. Are we going to put them all on trial even though each one thinks the same thing?

Once again, if they try to invade us, there would be no problem to stop them. If North Korea invades the USA, there would no problem to nuke them, right?

No, I would have significant moral qualms with nuking North Korea. :P But that's just one example, and there is probably other extraterrestrial life that we can't even begin to comprehend, so I don't think we should legislate on something we don't know exists or can't even begin to comprehend until we see what we are dealing with.

What is this...

Being honest, I think I'm leaning more and more on the veto possibility as we keep discussing this, even if I offered an amendment myself...

The goal of law is to cover all possible contingencies PJ.

And if you veto this bill, I will try to override this. There's nothing wrong with this bill, and I don't understand this opposition.

And if you veto this bill, I will try to override this. There's nothing wrong with this bill, and I don't understand this opposition.
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In all fairness, Windjammer, this bill is a little bit frivolous in comparison. Somebody gave the example of Napoleon's cloning bill earlier, and we have other things to discuss (like your Labor proposals or Arturo's bills, plus the soon to come Brewer's bill and my High Speed Rail bill to come today) in the Althing that are of more immediate concern.

The goal of the bill is to cover contingencies, yes, but can we really cover them like this? Not only we are into an unknown zone, we are doing something that I believe is out from the reach of the Most Serene Republic of the Midwest. Perhaps it's even out of the reach of our Federal Government, and it probably should be dealt with international organisms via the SoEA.

And I completely agree with you, that's why you should sign this bill if it passed instead of vetoing it, after this time lost in veto override could be used for other debates!


You know Lumine, when women were able to vote, when slavery was declared illegal, it was initially made by the states. That's why we should act, maybe the Senate or anything else could  consider this bill instead of saying it's just trollism,...

:D

I would think this would be better handled by the national government as a matter of national if not global security. Plus aren't there more pressing matters to attend to like the governors rail proposal?

JCL, slavery, women's right to vote was initially a regional issue! So by voting this bill, we would encourage the federal government to do the same thing.

I don't think that I have trolled the Midwest with "extraterrestrial bills". And if there are more pressing matters, that's why the Midwest should quickly vote this bill, after all, the Midwest Alping would debate other issues.

The vote continues!

Don't forget to vote

Abstain

Abstain

This bill passes.

It can pass with only one vote in favor?

Apparently, yes, but I'm confident that it will not pass the veto override.

This. To override a veto, all Representatives shall vote aye.

Well, I won't try to override Lumine's veto, I just have to wait after all. I'm just disappointed, and really.