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Title: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: RI on February 02, 2014, 05:06:58 PM
I made this recently. It's not perfect as it comes from a multitude of sources stitched together over many different years with different measurement procedures, and I had to adjust some numbers to match sources, but I think overall it is a pretty accurate reflection of reality. I started with the most recent census data for different countries and found other sources to fill in the gaps.

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Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: 7,052,770 on February 02, 2014, 05:24:47 PM
That's a really awesome and fascinating map.  Great work.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on February 02, 2014, 06:00:12 PM
If you split Christianity into Protestant/Catholic/Orthodox, I'd have done the same thing with Islam and Buddhism (the latter might be more difficult though). Still, amazing work.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: RI on February 02, 2014, 06:02:46 PM
If you split Christianity into Protestant/Catholic/Orthodox, I'd have done the same thing with Islam and Buddhism (the latter might be more difficult though). Still, amazing work.

I would like to, but the data really isn't there unfortunately.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on February 02, 2014, 06:07:28 PM
If you split Christianity into Protestant/Catholic/Orthodox, I'd have done the same thing with Islam and Buddhism (the latter might be more difficult though). Still, amazing work.

I would like to, but the data really isn't there unfortunately.

I've seen it on country maps, but if there's nothing subnational that's fine.

Also, love the irony of the Italian province which holds Rome (Lazio) being the least Catholic. :P


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: H. Ross Peron on February 02, 2014, 06:18:08 PM
Some of the patterns are quite interesting such as the Protestant belt in Central America or the more Buddhist vs. more secular areas of Japan.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: on February 02, 2014, 07:48:09 PM
Freedom map!!

Is Switzerland really predominatly Catholic?
I thought Calvinists formed the majority.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: H. Ross Peron on February 02, 2014, 07:52:54 PM
Freedom map!!

Is Switzerland really predominatly Catholic?
I thought Calvinists formed the majority.

Well some parts of Switzerland were historically Protestant and others were Catholic. However with increasing secularization, Protestants tended to leave the church more than Catholics. The case is the same with other countries such as the Netherlands.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: DC Al Fine on February 02, 2014, 08:23:17 PM
Freedom map!!

Is Switzerland really predominatly Catholic?
I thought Calvinists formed the majority.

Well some parts of Switzerland were historically Protestant and others were Catholic. However with increasing secularization, Protestants tended to leave the church more than Catholics. The case is the same with other countries such as the Netherlands.

Yes, especially when it comes to nominal affiliation. Protestants have a habit of either lovign or hating the church of their birth.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian. on February 02, 2014, 09:06:32 PM
Some of the patterns are quite interesting such as the Protestant belt in Central America or the more Buddhist vs. more secular areas of Japan.

But are the non-yellow areas in Japan light browns or light greys? If the latter, realisticidealist, how on earth did your sources distinguish between Buddhist and Shinto practice in Japan to that degree?


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on February 02, 2014, 11:06:50 PM
Great map!

I thought the UK was plurality Catholic now? (Speaking of the UK, why did you only divide them up by the Home Countries- I would have at least used the regional level)


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: Miles on February 03, 2014, 01:54:03 AM
Great job!


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: afleitch on February 03, 2014, 04:53:25 AM
Loving Scotland.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: afleitch on February 03, 2014, 05:23:35 AM
Great map!

I thought the UK was plurality Catholic now? (Speaking of the UK, why did you only divide them up by the Home Countries- I would have at least used the regional level)

England is nowhere near being plurality Catholic (not that the Census records this information) The most reliable indicator of denominationalism is the British Social Attitudes Survey which in 2013 suggested Britain as a whole was plurality Non-Religious (48%) Anglicans account for 20% and Catholics for 9%. Certainly at current trends Anglican might end up at 15% or so with Catholicism at around 10% (adherence to Catholicism, suggesting a cultural rather than religious association has flatlined since the survey began in 1983) with the Non-Religious breaking 55-60% (Nones are already at 60% amongst the under 30’s and about 42% in the formal Census) but England will not be plurality Catholic any time soon.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: Tender Branson on February 03, 2014, 07:52:57 AM
Freedom map!!

Is Switzerland really predominatly Catholic?
I thought Calvinists formed the majority.

Switzerland had more Protestants than Catholics until the Mid-1970s:

In the 1970 Census, the Protestant share was 48.8% and the Catholic share was 46.7%

In the 1980 Census, the Protestant share was 45.3% and the Catholic share was 46.2%

In the 2000 Census, the Protestant share was 33.9% and the Catholic share was 42.3%

And finally, during the 2012 Structural Survey the Protestant share was 26.9% and the Catholic share was 38.2%

...

Basically, Switzerland today is 70% Christian, 5% Muslim, 2% Others and 23% without religion.

http://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/portal/en/index/themen/01/05/blank/key/religionen.html

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Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on February 03, 2014, 10:00:08 AM
Great work.

The Sub-Saharan African part of the map - with its divisions between denominations - is, well, *interesting*.

EDIT: Speaking of which, where did you get the data? And Furthermore, do you have a blank National subdivision World map to use as a template?


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 03, 2014, 10:14:48 AM
All very pretty and all that, but as you aren't (and this is certainly not your fault) comparing like with like, it's practical use is... er... small.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: ZuWo on February 03, 2014, 10:18:59 AM
Freedom map!!

Is Switzerland really predominatly Catholic?
I thought Calvinists formed the majority.

Switzerland had more Protestants than Catholics until the Mid-1970s:

In the 1970 Census, the Protestant share was 48.8% and the Catholic share was 46.7%

In the 1980 Census, the Protestant share was 45.3% and the Catholic share was 46.2%

In the 2000 Census, the Protestant share was 33.9% and the Catholic share was 42.3%

And finally, during the 2012 Structural Survey the Protestant share was 26.9% and the Catholic share was 38.2%

...

Basically, Switzerland today is 70% Christian, 5% Muslim, 2% Others and 23% without religion.

http://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/portal/en/index/themen/01/05/blank/key/religionen.html

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Great stats, thanks!

The trend towards Catholicism is partly due to the reasons other posters have mentioned already and because of immigration; the high number of Italian, Spanish and Portuguese immigrants, for example, has boosted Catholic strength in Switzerland.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: RI on February 03, 2014, 03:03:17 PM
Great work.

The Sub-Saharan African part of the map - with its divisions between denominations - is, well, *interesting*.

EDIT: Speaking of which, where did you get the data? And Furthermore, do you have a blank National subdivision World map to use as a template?

The world map is a modified version of this one (http://www.lordsander.net/WorldSubdivisions.png). Most of my data sources are listed on the map. If you have a specific country in mind, I can probably find my source again.

Some of the patterns are quite interesting such as the Protestant belt in Central America or the more Buddhist vs. more secular areas of Japan.

But are the non-yellow areas in Japan light browns or light greys? If the latter, realisticidealist, how on earth did your sources distinguish between Buddhist and Shinto practice in Japan to that degree?

I used data from Japan's Statistics Bureau. It appears they counted some people as practicing both Shinto and Buddhism. I'm not sure what their methodology beyond that is, though.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: RI on April 21, 2015, 11:31:04 AM
More detailed maps I finally finished:

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Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: homelycooking on April 21, 2015, 01:33:36 PM
Hats off, gentlemen! A genius!



Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on April 21, 2015, 01:52:25 PM
I wanna snuggle wuggle with the Czech Republic. 


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: Joe Republic on April 21, 2015, 02:03:54 PM
Amazing.

I wanna snuggle wuggle with the Czech Republic. 

British Columbia is where it's at!


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: retromike22 on April 21, 2015, 02:04:45 PM
It's so beautiful!


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: afleitch on April 21, 2015, 02:23:43 PM
Very detailed. One of the most informative maps posted on the forum :)

Just a few points on my home turf. If you are calculating 'No Religion' for Scotland then census guidance suggests that should include those who not only actively declare 'No Religion' on their Census box, but also don't fill it in ('Religion not stated') as faith is a declaration yadda yadda. That boosts the grey somewhat.



Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on April 21, 2015, 02:36:30 PM
I am left speechless. Amazing work, RI.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: RI on April 21, 2015, 02:48:30 PM
Very detailed. One of the most informative maps posted on the forum :)

Just a few points on my home turf. If you are calculating 'No Religion' for Scotland then census guidance suggests that should include those who not only actively declare 'No Religion' on their Census box, but also don't fill it in ('Religion not stated') as faith is a declaration yadda yadda. That boosts the grey somewhat.

As a general rule, I discarded anyone who didn't respond to the question for all countries. This was mainly because the response rates varied heavily between countries, and doing so made the data more consistent across national borders.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: Chunk Yogurt for President! on April 21, 2015, 03:52:23 PM
glad to see that the Protestants are slowly gaining ground in China.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: Beet on April 21, 2015, 05:28:37 PM
Excellent work. LOL Vietnam.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: traininthedistance on April 21, 2015, 09:34:28 PM
Wow. {slow clap}

One of the most interesting/new to me bits, I think, is how northern China is areligious but southern China is... Taoist mostly I guess? Possibly the pink areas have significant overlap with non-Han ethnicities?  Huh.  Like, I knew that China had some Muslims out west but I was pretty ignorant of most other patterns there.

Also I am wondering about the Sikhs in North America.  The tan bits in Guyana/Suriname, or something microscopically small in Canada that I can't see?


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: RI on April 21, 2015, 10:36:52 PM
Wow. {slow clap}

One of the most interesting/new to me bits, I think, is how northern China is areligious but southern China is... Taoist mostly I guess? Possibly the pink areas have significant overlap with non-Han ethnicities?  Huh.  Like, I knew that China had some Muslims out west but I was pretty ignorant of most other patterns there.

Also I am wondering about the Sikhs in North America.  The tan bits in Guyana/Suriname, or something microscopically small in Canada that I can't see?

Yeah, the Sikhs are in Vancouver and Toronto.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian. on April 21, 2015, 11:15:18 PM
Now that I'm doing that religious maps of Japan series, I'd appreciate realisticidealist's source for Japan if he still has it, since it's almost certainly significantly more recent than the source I've been using.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: RI on April 22, 2015, 12:01:05 AM
Now that I'm doing that religious maps of Japan series, I'd appreciate realisticidealist's source for Japan if he still has it, since it's almost certainly significantly more recent than the source I've been using.

It's not nearly as detailed as what you've been using, and my methodology was a bit ad hoc. I started with the data here (http://www.stat.go.jp/english/data/nenkan/1431-23.htm), which has total religious adherents, total religious organizations, and religious organizations by prefecture. I used religious organizations as a proxy for adherents, adjusting for the discrepancy in the national totals to reduce the overrepresentation of Christianity.

The big problem then is that the dataset allows individuals and organizations to be both Buddhist and Shinto. This time, I actually used your data as a guide to disentangling the two. It became a bit of guesswork at times, but I think the result is fairly close.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: compson III on April 22, 2015, 12:04:45 AM
Is the island of non-Hindu concentration west of Calcutta also the heartland of the Naxalite insurgency?


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on April 22, 2015, 12:12:16 AM
Pretty impressive yes. Much more interesting outside of North America of course.

What's with those non-religious pockets in Mozambique?


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: ag on April 22, 2015, 12:13:09 AM
Beautiful!


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on April 22, 2015, 05:38:51 PM
Wow. {slow clap}

One of the most interesting/new to me bits, I think, is how northern China is areligious but southern China is... Taoist mostly I guess? Possibly the pink areas have significant overlap with non-Han ethnicities?  Huh.  Like, I knew that China had some Muslims out west but I was pretty ignorant of most other patterns there.

Also I am wondering about the Sikhs in North America.  The tan bits in Guyana/Suriname, or something microscopically small in Canada that I can't see?

Yeah, the Sikhs are in Vancouver and Toronto.

Specifically Surrey and Brampton, respectively (I believe). Would it be possible to see more detailed maps of Canada's major urban centres?


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: Beet on April 22, 2015, 07:36:08 PM
realisticidealist, have you ever considered submitting this to The Atlantic or similar publication? This sounds like the type of thing they'd go for. Not sure what the legalities around getting something to let them use it, though.

Also - can you confirm if the two blue Protestant dots south of Hangzhou are Wenzhou & its inland county?


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: Joe Republic on April 23, 2015, 02:11:16 AM
I think the red army has the strongest position right now, IMO, as long as it shores up its defenses against the green army.  They could make a strong push up into blue North America.  With those two continents' bonus reinforcements, it'd be a cakewalk after that.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: Lief 🗽 on April 23, 2015, 08:39:44 AM
This is great! I had no idea China had a religious north-south division like that. I'm also surprised there's not more irreligiousity in Scandinavia, though I assume that's just a result of differences in how this is recorded from country to country.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian. on April 23, 2015, 09:34:15 AM
As I understand it there's still a strong cultural/social assumption in Scandinavia that one will be baptized into the relevant Lutheran state church and use it for weddings and funerals, even if one is otherwise thoroughly irreligious.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: politicus on April 23, 2015, 09:52:19 AM
As I understand it there's still a strong cultural/social assumption in Scandinavia that one will be baptized into the relevant Lutheran state church and use it for weddings and funerals, even if one is otherwise thoroughly irreligious.

It is called a "four corner Christian". Someone who only goes to church when he/she turns the four big corners: Baptism, confirmation, wedding and funeral.

It is gradually eroding in the big cities, but very much a reality elsewhere.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: RI on April 23, 2015, 10:54:59 AM
realisticidealist, have you ever considered submitting this to The Atlantic or similar publication? This sounds like the type of thing they'd go for. Not sure what the legalities around getting something to let them use it, though.

I suppose I could look into something like that. I'm not really sure how to approach such things, though.

Also - can you confirm if the two blue Protestant dots south of Hangzhou are Wenzhou & its inland county?

Yes, I believe that's correct. The shapefile I used has it marked as Yongjia, but I believe they're the same.

Wow. {slow clap}

One of the most interesting/new to me bits, I think, is how northern China is areligious but southern China is... Taoist mostly I guess? Possibly the pink areas have significant overlap with non-Han ethnicities?  Huh.  Like, I knew that China had some Muslims out west but I was pretty ignorant of most other patterns there.

Also I am wondering about the Sikhs in North America.  The tan bits in Guyana/Suriname, or something microscopically small in Canada that I can't see?

Yeah, the Sikhs are in Vancouver and Toronto.

Would it be possible to see more detailed maps of Canada's major urban centres?

Yeah, I can do that. Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver are the most interesting if I remember correctly.

EDIT: While I'm at it, some of the Australian and New Zealand cities are pretty interesting, too.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on April 23, 2015, 10:59:58 AM
Thanks. I'd like Ottawa too, if possible :)


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: RI on April 23, 2015, 11:39:02 AM
Toronto:
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Montreal:
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Ottawa:
() (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/GALLERY/2947_23_04_15_11_27_19.png)

Vancouver:
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Sydney:
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Melbourne:
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Auckland:
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Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: RI on April 23, 2015, 12:04:04 PM
Ireland:
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Great Britain:
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Switzerland:
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Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: Boston Bread on April 23, 2015, 03:02:36 PM
Best map ever! The only improvement I can think of is splitting islam into Sunni, Shia, Ibadi. Regional data must be hard to come by but if it could be done for China and Subsahara Africa (places where I had never previously seen such detailed maps), it must be possible.

I can confirm the irreligion in northern China, didn't know it was just in the north though. Oh and isolated spots of blue in China are not a solely modern phenomenon. Look up the Taiping rebellion.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on April 23, 2015, 03:30:21 PM
Two Muslim Census Tracts in Ottawa. Very interesting. Both areas are large social housing projects.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on April 23, 2015, 04:32:24 PM
What are the Protestant divisions in the Republic of Ireland?


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: RI on April 23, 2015, 04:36:01 PM
I'd love to split up Islam, but there are so few statistics on it with any sort of geographic specificity. I can only think of about two Islamic countries that ask Shia/Sunni/etc. I could estimate it if I had a proxy like ethnicity, but that's not asked that often either. Heck, it's rare to have an Islamic country that even has a census.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: RI on April 23, 2015, 04:54:04 PM
What are the Protestant divisions in the Republic of Ireland?

There are several Protestant areas in Ireland, but they all have ~200 people or fewer. I can't find much information on them. Most are close to the border with Northern Ireland. There's a handful of blue small areas in Dublin and three in Athlone.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: Ebsy on April 23, 2015, 07:17:07 PM
Which city is the pocket of Catholicism in northern Iraq centered on?


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: RI on April 23, 2015, 07:58:03 PM
Which city is the pocket of Catholicism in northern Iraq centered on?

It's the Nineveh Plains. I don't think it's centered on any one city, but it looks like the largest town in that district is Bakhdida. There's a lot of Orthodox there, too, or at least there were prior to ISIS.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: Linus Van Pelt on April 23, 2015, 08:44:50 PM
What is the source of the data for China?


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on April 23, 2015, 09:41:58 PM
What are the Protestant divisions in the Republic of Ireland?

Remnants of old settlement.

Realisticidealist, may I ask what units you used to draw Ireland? I note that the Shannon Estuary and Loch Neagh have been 'eaten' by the surrounding places, so to speak.

Also, this is fantastic work. Well done.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: RI on April 24, 2015, 12:17:59 AM
What are the Protestant divisions in the Republic of Ireland?

Realisticidealist, may I ask what units you used to draw Ireland? I note that the Shannon Estuary and Loch Neagh have been 'eaten' by the surrounding places, so to speak.

I used Small Areas (http://www.cso.ie/en/census/census2011smallareapopulationstatisticssaps/).

What is the source of the data for China?

I compiled China based on a number of sources. I started by using ethnicity data from the most recent census to estimate the number of Muslims, Buddhists, Indigenous, and some Taoists. I then used a slightly regressed version of Asia Harvest's estimate of the Christian population, and finally estimated the remaining number of Taoists/Chinese Folk Religionists based on UMich's China Religion Explorer and based on several local surveys by UCLA and others. I assumed the remainder was nonreligious.

I've heard a lot of positive things about my estimate.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: Mopsus on April 24, 2015, 05:59:53 PM
The brown in Punjab is obviously Sikhism, but what are the brown counties in eastern India?


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: Linus Van Pelt on April 24, 2015, 07:22:56 PM
What are the Protestant divisions in the Republic of Ireland?

Realisticidealist, may I ask what units you used to draw Ireland? I note that the Shannon Estuary and Loch Neagh have been 'eaten' by the surrounding places, so to speak.

I used Small Areas (http://www.cso.ie/en/census/census2011smallareapopulationstatisticssaps/).

What is the source of the data for China?

I compiled China based on a number of sources. I started by using ethnicity data from the most recent census to estimate the number of Muslims, Buddhists, Indigenous, and some Taoists. I then used a slightly regressed version of Asia Harvest's estimate of the Christian population, and finally estimated the remaining number of Taoists/Chinese Folk Religionists based on UMich's China Religion Explorer and based on several local surveys by UCLA and others. I assumed the remainder was nonreligious.

I've heard a lot of positive things about my estimate.

Thanks.

As others have said - very nice, interesting work.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: RI on April 24, 2015, 07:27:32 PM
The brown in Punjab is obviously Sikhism, but what are the brown counties in eastern India?

It looks like Donyi-Polo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donyi-Polo) in Arunachal Pradesh and Sarnaism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarnaism) in Jharkhand. Both indigenous religions.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: Mopsus on April 24, 2015, 08:19:37 PM
The brown in Punjab is obviously Sikhism, but what are the brown counties in eastern India?

It looks like Donyi-Polo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donyi-Polo) in Arunachal Pradesh and Sarnaism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarnaism) in Jharkhand. Both indigenous religions.

I suspected that it was either that or Jainism (well, I knew that the latter was unlikely, but Jainism is cool, so I hoped anyway). Thanks!


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on April 28, 2015, 01:37:48 PM
REDDIT!? You've cheated on us scolbert08!


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: RI on April 28, 2015, 01:44:16 PM
realisticidealist, have you ever considered submitting this to The Atlantic or similar publication? This sounds like the type of thing they'd go for. Not sure what the legalities around getting something to let them use it, though.

I suppose I could look into something like that. I'm not really sure how to approach such things, though.

More likely it'll be posted without attribution (or any attempt at discussion, for that matter) in another "40 Maps That Explain X" series, unfortunately. Be vigilant.

Probably Vox Maps...

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Congratulations on nearly making the front page of Reddit with something as substantive and conscientious as this, by the way.

Thanks. I was hoping for about +1,000 or so with it, but it just kept climbing to over +3,000. I've actually started on a map that was suggested in the comments: a religious diversity map as measured by Shannon entropy. It will be a bit biased toward Christian countries, but from what I've seen of it it's still pretty interesting.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: RI on April 28, 2015, 01:44:48 PM
REDDIT!? You've cheated on us scolbert08!

Bigger audience. Besides, I posted it here first. :P

If I hadn't, someone else would have posted it there. They've posted my maps from here on there before.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on April 16, 2017, 12:42:31 AM
Apparently someone published these maps in The Independent (https://www.indy100.com/article/these-maps-will-change-the-way-you-think-about-religion--WJmWnGgjrvZ).  I was scrolling down my Facebook feed and they came up in the thumbnail.  Knew I recognized the style from somewhere.

Congrats, RI!


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: 支持核绿派 (Greens4Nuclear) on December 01, 2023, 08:05:00 PM
Agree mostly. My mistake on the confusion - I didn't mean social conservatism relative to other Americans - I meant social conservatism relative to other Chinese groups. In particular, the well-known divide between North China and South China on collectivism vs. individualism (https://journal.psych.ac.cn/xlkxjz/EN/10.3724/SP.J.1042.2016.01551) - and secularism vs. religiosity.

For the religion thing, I don't have a good source for that, but I think it's pretty well-known that Buddhism is much stronger in Southern China. Same with ancestor worship. Joss paper is something you see in stores in Southern China/Taiwan, but not in Northern China. Though I do think you're right that Buddhist Chinese don't strongly use their religion as a political identity the way say, many Burmese Buddhists do.

As an aside, the higher historic religiosity of South China is also why I think in the modern era, weird cults like Falun Gong and White Lightning are much more popular in the North than the South - established religious traditions inoculate societies against weirdo cults, lol.

Forum member RI made a map of religion around the world that showed a North-South divide in China (https://i.imgur.com/rzv85dn.png). I didn't really know about this growing up, even though I was kind of aware that Taiwanese, Hong Kongers, and the older Chinese immigrant waves from Guangdong were more religious than the post-Mao Mainland China diaspora. It certainly explains things like Taiwan being very Buddhist and more steeped in Chinese folk religion.
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That being said, the mercantile/coastal/sorta cosmopolitan nature of Guangdong I think makes it significantly more socially liberal than other rice-agriculture Confucian regions, like inland Southern China - or for that matter, Vietnam or Korea. But North China is honestly just a psychological aberration in Asia.

Yes AFAIK Northern China is the only part of agriculturalist Pacific-facing Asia with a history of a strong indigenous state where the dominant/default staple grain was not rice.

Funny enough in countries where Chinese immigrants disproportionately come from the North, the political reputation is very different. In South Korea for example, Korean-Chinese vote so monolithically left-liberal (probably in %s exceeding US blacks), Korean conservatives have imported American conservative talking points about Korean-Chinese vote-by-mail fraud to "rig" every election a Korean conservative loses.

I had no idea about that. My impression from learning about international elections on here is that Chinese Americans are more politically left-leaning than Chinese Canadians, Chinese Australians, and Chinese New Zealanders despite possibly being less Northern Chinese on average, due to differences in the history of Chinese immigration and in the political status quo (the US is more right-wing overall and has a more complicated history with race).

Kind of OT, but it would be fascinating to see RI's map with the following adjustments:

1. Removal of "Religious Nones" as a category (i.e., literally the "most popular religion" in each area).

2. A map of only the Protestant (blue) areas but divided by most popoular denomination!

I'd tag him if I knew how, lol...

Well here's the thread he made for sharing the maps back in my proto-lurker days


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: RINO Tom on December 06, 2023, 03:47:05 PM
RI,

Do you have a version of your final map with the subdivision borders overlapping?  When two subdivisions that are next to each other are the same shade (as is the case with much of the US), it is kind of difficult to see the distinction.

AMAZING map.


Title: Re: World Religion Map by National Subdivision
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on December 07, 2023, 01:01:58 PM
     I'm guessing the source for Russia was the 2012 Sreda Arena Atlas survey. Understandable as it was the most recent source at the time the map was made, but it's also a major outlier in terms of religious identification stats for that country. Overall a very interesting map though.