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Title: The Interior West
Post by: nclib on March 26, 2005, 05:59:43 PM
Most interior west states swung Democratic in 2004.

Why:

-GOP becoming less libertarian
-gun control emphasized less than in 2000

Any other reasons??


Title: Re: The Interior West
Post by: Rob on March 26, 2005, 06:01:29 PM
Actually, the interior West swung Republican.


Title: Re: The Interior West
Post by: nclib on March 26, 2005, 06:07:48 PM
Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, Nevada, and the Dakotas swung Democratic.

New Mexico and Texas swung Republican by less than the national average.


Title: Re: The Interior West
Post by: Colin on March 28, 2005, 04:14:37 PM
Both of those reasons are actually rather inconsequential to the "Democratic" swing in those states. I would guess it would have to do with less Western leftists voting for Nader. The swings to the Democrats in those states probably have to do more with Democratic voters turning away from Nader and other third party candidates back to the Democratic Party.


Title: Re: The Interior West
Post by: Gustaf on April 05, 2005, 04:23:09 AM
South Dakota was the only state there where Bush's percent actually fell.


Title: Re: The Interior West
Post by: minionofmidas on April 06, 2005, 07:27:17 AM
I think it was the only state nationally where that happened, right?
Gun control definitely played a role, and so did Nader's strong showing in 2000 (though not all of Nader's Interior Western voters were former Democrats. Many had voted Perot in the 90s), and so did increased registration in holiday resorts.


Title: Re: The Interior West
Post by: TheresNoMoney on April 06, 2005, 12:52:40 PM
New Hampshire was the only state to swing from Bush to Kerry in 2004.


Title: Re: The Interior West
Post by: phk on April 06, 2005, 01:30:19 PM
New Hampshire was the only state to swing from Bush to Kerry in 2004.

Swing in the context that we use it in, means a swing in a various candidate's percentage that is not completely able to flip a state but shows a trend toward one party or the other.


Title: Re: The Interior West
Post by: Smash255 on April 06, 2005, 11:34:37 PM
South Dakota was the only state there where Bush's percent actually fell.

Vermont also


Title: Re: The Interior West
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on April 06, 2005, 11:38:53 PM
South Dakota was the only state there where Bush's percent actually fell.

Vermont also

Remember the Maine!


Title: Re: The Interior West
Post by: nclib on April 07, 2005, 08:43:02 PM
Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, Nevada, and the Dakotas swung Democratic.

New Mexico and Texas swung Republican by less than the national average.

The swings to the Democrats in those states probably have to do more with Democratic voters turning away from Nader and other third party candidates back to the Democratic Party.

Nader exaggerated the result, but even with Nader's votes added to Gore and Kerry, 9 of the 14 Interior West states swung more Democratic than the national average.

Excluding the states from North Dakota to Texas, it was 6 of 8.


Title: Re: The Interior West
Post by: Beet on April 18, 2005, 05:03:40 AM
So what's the cause of this? Economic decline? Libertarianism? Generalized neglect? Traditional anti-incumbency?


Title: Re: The Interior West
Post by: minionofmidas on April 18, 2005, 07:55:22 AM
Apart from the Nader vote, the main thing is probably:
Relatively higher importance of gun rights over religious right issues.


Title: Re: The Interior West
Post by: Rob on April 18, 2005, 05:42:45 PM
It's probably because Bush had already almost reached the ceiling of GOP strength. He carried those states with such huge percentages in 2000 that there simply wasn't much room for improvement. No real "swing" toward the Democrats, no trend.


Title: Re: The Interior West
Post by: WMS on April 18, 2005, 09:37:55 PM
Just a quick point:

From Religion & Public Life in the Mountain West: Sacred Landscapes in Transition, a detailed survey/analysis  of the region...

There are three religious cultures in the Mountain West.

Arizona and New Mexico are dominated by Catholicism.

Utah and Idaho are dominated by Mormonism.

Colorado, Wyoming and Montana are dominated by pluralism (i.e., there is no one dominant religion, and plenty of 'seculars').

Naturally, it's more complicated than that, but it's a good rule of thumb.

And no, they do NOT consider Nevada part of the Mountain West. :P


Title: Re: The Interior West
Post by: bgwah on April 18, 2005, 10:19:29 PM
South Dakota was the only state there where Bush's percent actually fell.

Vermont also

and North Carolina.

Those were the 3.


Title: Re: The Interior West
Post by: bgwah on April 19, 2005, 04:17:50 AM
In Montana, Democrats did some serious domination at the statewide level. That probably helped.

Wyoming also has a Democrat governor. somehow...


Title: Re: The Interior West
Post by: nclib on April 19, 2005, 04:49:00 PM
It's probably because Bush had already almost reached the ceiling of GOP strength. He carried those states with such huge percentages in 2000 that there simply wasn't much room for improvement. No real "swing" toward the Democrats, no trend.

Perhaps, but keep in mind that Utah (of course very different politically from the rest of the Interior West) swung towards the GOP past the national average (the only ultra-Republican state to do so).


Title: Re: The Interior West
Post by: nclib on April 19, 2005, 05:47:20 PM
In Montana, Democrats did some serious domination at the statewide level. That probably helped.

Judy Martz (outgoing Governor) was pretty unpopular.