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Title: Article of Impeachment Against President Lumine
Post by: bgwah on December 13, 2014, 06:50:09 pm
Senators, articles of impeachment have been filed against President Lumine:

ARTICLE OF IMPEACHMENT AGAINST PRESIDENT LUMINE
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If the President, Vice President, or a member of the Senate does not post on in 21 the Atlas Fantasy Government board for seven consecutive days (168 hours) without posting a leave of absence an article of impeachment shall be automatically placed before Senate in accordance with Article I, Section 2, Clause 3 of the Constitution and thus considered accordingly.

Having failed to post on the Fantasy Government for eight consecutive days (184 hours; from December 03, 2014, 08:32:09 pm to December 11, 2014, 12:14:33 pm), an article of impeachment shall be automatically placed before Senate in accordance with Article I, Section 2, Clause 3 of the Constitution and thus considered accordingly.

Please discuss the merits of this indictment.


Title: Re: Article of Impeachment Against President Lumine
Post by: Lumine on December 13, 2014, 07:10:17 pm
While I recognize that I haven't been engaged with the Senate, I have done my best to remain active during some particularly busy days for me, and I believe this impeachment effort by Griffin to be nothing more than a publicity stunt.

I strongly believe that no impeachable offenses were committed by me and the Vice-President, and I humbly ask the Senate to reject these articles of impeachment.


Title: Re: Article of Impeachment Against President Lumine
Post by: King Louis XVI on December 13, 2014, 07:12:13 pm
I won't vote to impeach Senator Lumine.
This isn't his duty to participate in the senate threads, although he of course can. What he has to do is to sign bills or redraft. No bill had passed during this period, so he had nothing to do.
So this will be a Nay,
Especially considering he has been active with his ISIS stuff

EDIT: And, Griffin did nothing wrong, he just respected the constitution. So, no need to attack him.


Title: Re: Article of Impeachment Against President Lumine
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Griff on December 13, 2014, 07:37:19 pm
I'll just say that I've never directly called for the President to be removed from office, but I'm incensed at the level of whining for merely following the Constitution and introducing these impeachment articles. Of course they deserved to be introduced by someone - anyone - because that is the law. Federal officeholders swear to uphold and defend the Constitution, after all. If the game worked as intended, then they would automatically manifest via robot (Yankee?) as the law states. Nobody was upset in the past about these articles of impeachment being introduced for other Senators who didn't engage on the FG board but who did on the FE board (Xahar).

This particular article and clause has been finely tuned multiple times over the year and is purposefully designed to be the way it is; officeholders have to engage on the Government board, as that is where the actual decision-making and game play really occur. A message needs to be sent to all Senators, the President and the Vice-President that their continued and active presence on this board is required, regardless of whatever excuses ("my role has been changed", "I have real life unlike everyone else", "I posted on the FE board", etc) may be. These people should spend more time reflecting on how they are letting the electorate down and less time blaming me or anyone else for their failings.


Title: Re: Article of Impeachment Against President Lumine
Post by: Baconomics 🐖 on December 13, 2014, 08:01:45 pm
If the game worked as intended, then they would automatically manifest via robot (Yankee?)

A+


Title: Re: Article of Impeachment Against President Lumine
Post by: People's Speaker North Carolina Yankee on December 14, 2014, 02:33:12 am
So national razor or the Romanov treatment?


Title: Re: Article of Impeachment Against President Lumine
Post by: Baconomics 🐖 on December 14, 2014, 04:12:20 am
While I believe the President should be more active in commenting on the Senate's proceedings, this impeachment proceeding has only been brought because the President has made his thread on the Elections board his primary office rather than the Government board. I don't believe he should be punished for choosing to more actively engage with the citizens than his predecessors.


Title: Re: Article of Impeachment Against President Lumine
Post by: Cranberry on December 14, 2014, 06:59:17 am
I have to say, I doubt that I posted every seven days in the FG board in my time as President. There is just not so much to do here if you, as BK stated, communicate more with all citizens and let the Senate do its business alone.
I have absolutely no intention to vote for this impeachment.


Title: Re: Article of Impeachment Against President Lumine
Post by: Napoleon on December 15, 2014, 11:47:57 pm
While I recognize that I haven't been engaged with the Senate, I have done my best to remain active during some particularly busy days for me, and I believe this impeachment effort by Griffin to be nothing more than a publicity stunt.

I strongly believe that no impeachable offenses were committed by me and the Vice-President, and I humbly ask the Senate to reject these articles of impeachment.

Griffin the Red Monster, huh?


http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=182168.msg3937989#msg3937989


Whatever.


Title: Re: Article of Impeachment Against President Lumine
Post by: Lumine on December 15, 2014, 11:50:43 pm
While I recognize that I haven't been engaged with the Senate, I have done my best to remain active during some particularly busy days for me, and I believe this impeachment effort by Griffin to be nothing more than a publicity stunt.

I strongly believe that no impeachable offenses were committed by me and the Vice-President, and I humbly ask the Senate to reject these articles of impeachment.

Griffin the Red Monster, huh?


http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=182168.msg3937989#msg3937989


Whatever.

Your point? At the time I thought the amendment to be a good idea, so did most of Atlasia.


Title: Re: Article of Impeachment Against President Lumine
Post by: Napoleon on December 16, 2014, 01:59:55 am
"I was fine with it, until I was affected by it."

Cool story bro


Title: Re: Article of Impeachment Against President Lumine
Post by: Lumine on December 16, 2014, 02:18:00 am
Do you expect me to reply otherwise? I didn't notice the potential for mistakes until it was my turn to see the consecuences, so you can hardly blame me for changing my position.


Title: Re: Article of Impeachment Against President Lumine
Post by: King Louis XVI on December 16, 2014, 02:26:59 am
Lmao,
Sorry but this is hilarious.


Title: Re: Article of Impeachment Against President Lumine
Post by: Cranberry on December 16, 2014, 12:37:30 pm
Lmao,
Sorry but this is hilarious.

Windy, you found exactly the rights words :P


Title: Re: Article of Impeachment Against President Lumine
Post by: People's Speaker North Carolina Yankee on December 17, 2014, 01:11:46 am
Impeachement is a serious charge, but it must be considered that it does put the process in motion it does not specify the end result (removal). The process occurring as an automatic trigger and thus creating the potential for removal, is suppose to act as the inducement for the PResident to conform to the standard applied in the text. The President can make a case as to why he should not be impeached and the Senate has the discretion to decline to do so.

I think that when it comes to the fact that the impeachement is not gone through with and seeing that as a disappointment, misses the fact that using impeachment in this instance is a novel occurence and that the end goal is to induce the activity. The mood of the Senators can be hard to predict and thus to avoid the risk of a Senate with seven Windjammers on issue voting for the obvious result, compliance would be the regular approach. That was my understanding when I voted for the amendments that established this process. In every other case, the end goal of impeachement is to punish for an offense that has been committed. One requires impeachment to actually be carried through with, whilst the other does not necessarily do likewise.


Title: Re: Article of Impeachment Against President Lumine
Post by: King Louis XVI on December 17, 2014, 12:46:49 pm
Impeachement is a serious charge, but it must be considered that it does put the process in motion it does not specify the end result (removal). The process occurring as an automatic trigger and thus creating the potential for removal, is suppose to act as the inducement for the PResident to conform to the standard applied in the text. The President can make a case as to why he should not be impeached and the Senate has the discretion to decline to do so.

I think that when it comes to the fact that the impeachement is not gone through with and seeing that as a disappointment, misses the fact that using impeachment in this instance is a novel occurence and that the end goal is to induce the activity. The mood of the Senators can be hard to predict and thus to avoid the risk of a Senate with seven Windjammers on issue voting for the obvious result, compliance would be the regular approach. That was my understanding when I voted for the amendments that established this process. In every other case, the end goal of impeachement is to punish for an offense that has been committed. One requires impeachment to actually be carried through with, whilst the other does not necessarily do likewise.
Seven Windjammers???


Title: Re: Article of Impeachment Against President Lumine
Post by: Simfan34 on December 17, 2014, 02:08:58 pm
Seven people who decide, like you, that the letter of the law must be followed and would vote in favor.


Title: Re: Article of Impeachment Against President Lumine
Post by: #IAintAfraidOfNoGoats on December 17, 2014, 07:38:19 pm
This is totally silly. I'm not gonna vote for this.


Title: Re: Article of Impeachment Against President Lumine
Post by: Cranberry on December 18, 2014, 11:06:38 am
I guess we could open this vote by now?


Title: Re: Article of Impeachment Against President Lumine
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on December 18, 2014, 12:02:28 pm
We're trying to behead another president? Sheesh, and I thought I had it tough sometimes during my eight months. :P


Title: Re: Article of Impeachment Against President Lumine
Post by: Lumine on December 18, 2014, 09:13:02 pm
We're trying to behead another president? Sheesh, and I thought I had it tough sometimes during my eight months. :P

I'm not popular at all, Duke, that can be a rather huge problem, xD


Title: Re: Article of Impeachment Against President Lumine
Post by: King Louis XVI on December 19, 2014, 11:34:00 am
Well, with some thought, I will probably Abstain, or vote Aye if there are enough Nay votes.

Not against you Lumine, just symbolical, I would like the president to be more involved in the senate threads.


Title: Re: Article of Impeachment Against President Lumine
Post by: bgwah on December 20, 2014, 03:31:38 pm
As the debate seems to have concluded, this vote is now open. Please vote aye or nay on the impeachment of President Lumine. Voting will last one week or until a majority has been reached.


Title: Re: Article of Impeachment Against President Lumine
Post by: bore on December 20, 2014, 07:17:30 pm
Nay


Title: Re: Article of Impeachment Against President Lumine
Post by: Cranberry on December 21, 2014, 04:24:36 am
Nay


Title: Re: Article of Impeachment Against President Lumine
Post by: TNF on December 21, 2014, 10:28:15 am
Aye


Title: Re: Article of Impeachment Against President Lumine
Post by: #IAintAfraidOfNoGoats on December 22, 2014, 07:40:09 pm
Nay


Title: Re: Article of Impeachment Against President Lumine
Post by: King Louis XVI on December 23, 2014, 05:05:26 am
Well, I'm sure it won't pass:
So symbolic AYE.

I would like the president to be more active in the senate threads in the future.


Title: Re: Article of Impeachment Against President Lumine
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on December 27, 2014, 06:51:47 pm
NAY


Title: Re: Article of Impeachment Against President Lumine
Post by: People's Speaker North Carolina Yankee on December 28, 2014, 12:21:27 am
Abstain


Don't let it happen again.


Title: Re: Article of Impeachment Against President Lumine
Post by: Lumine on January 07, 2015, 06:48:22 pm
Bump, I believe this is still open and has to be closed.


Title: Re: Article of Impeachment Against President Lumine
Post by: bgwah on January 11, 2015, 05:00:29 pm
The impeachment has failed.