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Title: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on December 31, 2014, 04:21:51 am
Today's the last day of the year and that's a pretty interesting finding:

This year, there have been "only" 9 murders in Vienna (which now has a population of 1.8 million)

The previous record low was 13 murders in 2003.

Vienna had an average of 40 murders each year in the 1980s, with the population back then only 1.45 million.

That means the murder rate dropped from 2.8 cases/100.000 people in the 1980s to only 0.5 now.

Also, the newspaper report said that since early 2009, all murder cases have been solved since then. So, a 100% clearance rate for the past 5 years.

...

I just checked comparable US cities such as Houston (2.2 million people) or Philly (1.6 million).

Philly had around 250 murders this year and Houston around 220.


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: Watermelon sin Jamón on December 31, 2014, 04:24:27 am
It has absolutely nothing to do with guns. You can be sure of that.

Oh and I'm waiting for the FPÖ to make a big statement on that. Will they ? ;)


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: Tender Branson on December 31, 2014, 04:36:07 am
It has absolutely nothing to do with guns. You can be sure of that.

I know that your comment is sarcastic. But for sure it has to do with it. Since Austria passed a drastic new gun-control law in 1997, the number of gun-homicides dropped by almost 70% and gun-suicides dropped by 30%.

http://www.news.at/a/strengeres-waffengesetz-suizide-morde-1997-170834

Of course, better forensic analysis and offender profiling might have helped too, but it was certainly a good step. These days, potential killers are likely deterred by these increasingly sophisticated methods, because they know that they will be caught with a near 100% certainty.

Only 10% of murder cases here involve a gun anymore, compared to 70% of murder cases in the US.

The most spectacular murder this year in Vienna was actually one that killed the victim with a handgranade that was thrown into the car by the Bosnian killer.

Oh and I'm waiting for the FPÖ to make a big statement on that. Will they ? ;)

I guess not. While the FPÖ favors looser gun-laws, they focus more on property crimes (committed by Eastern European foreigners), rather than murders.


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: Tender Branson on December 31, 2015, 03:08:38 pm
Another year is over and 2014 was indeed an outlier:

* 2014 had a record low of just 9 murders in Vienna (even Austria-wide, 2014 was a record-low-murder-year, with just 38 cases among 8.6 million people)

* 2015 had 20 murders so far, which is more than double the 2014 number, but still very low for a city of 1.8 million people

http://wien.orf.at/news/stories/2749577

PS: All 20 murders in Vienna this year were solved. As were all murders dating back to 2009.


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: Mangez des pommes ! on December 31, 2015, 03:12:57 pm
Naive left-leftism in action!


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: Tender Branson on December 31, 2015, 03:17:40 pm

Nope, naive left-leftism has nothing to do with it - unless you can explain what you mean by it.


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: Tender Branson on January 02, 2016, 10:34:36 am
2 other states (Lower Austria and Salzburg) have released their 2015 numbers as well in the last days and the trend so far points to an Austrian murder rate which is back up to the normal 0.7-0.8 cases per 100.000 people.

2014 was really an extremely low outlier.


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: Cubby on January 03, 2016, 08:56:43 pm
The silence from the right-wing in this thread is deafening.

But Muricans don't care about foreign countries unless we're invading them, so it could just be ignorance I suppose. I wonder how many American blue avatars from the 2016 Presidential Forum even know we have an International Discussion one.

Great job Austria!


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: Joe Republic on January 03, 2016, 10:15:17 pm
All of those Syrians FLOODING over the border must be up to other nefarious deeds instead.


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: Tender Branson on January 05, 2016, 01:04:56 pm
All of those Syrians FLOODING over the border must be up to other nefarious deeds instead.

I have already explained this here (yes, asylum seekers do have a much higher murder rate than Austrians or foreigners in general):

Currently, 62.000 asylum seekers in Austria are getting government aid (usually, the basic minimum aid that every person incl. Austrian citizens who often worked years and paid into the system are getting => 850€ a month).

As I've posted above, this number is expected to increase to around 85.000 by the end of the year, because in October alone there have been 11.000 asylum applications here.

http://orf.at/stories/2307874/2307862

Also, a look at the new crime statistics from Jan.-June 2015:

There have been 83 murders (incl. attempts) in the first 6 months of 2015, of which 45 were committed by foreigners. Of the foreigners, 16 were asylum seekers.

In other words:

There are 7.430.000 Austrian citizens who committed 38 murders.

There are 1.210.000 foreigners in Austria who committed 45 murders.

There are 62.000 asylum seekers in Austria who committed 16 murders.

The murder rates (per 100.000 people):

Austrian citizens: 0.5
Foreigners: 3.7
Asylum seekers: 25.8

http://www.parlament.gv.at/PAKT/VHG/XXV/AB/AB_05631/imfname_463492.pdf


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: Tender Branson on January 05, 2016, 01:16:13 pm
Well, the new year is off to a bad start:

Murder victim's head found in concrete block

Police have told a press conference in Linz that a woman whose dismembered body was found hidden in two suitcases in a lake in Upper Austria was likely strangled. Her head, which was missing, was later found encased in concrete.

A second body, that of a man, was found in Traunsee on Monday afternoon, about 5 km from the shore. He had bags containing stones and a concrete block tied to his hands. The concrete block concealed the woman's missing head.

Upper Austrian police chief Gottfried Mitterlehner told the press conference that detectives believe the man murdered the woman and then drowned himself.

http://www.thelocal.at/20160105/second-body-found-in-traunsee-lake


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: rob in cal on January 05, 2016, 01:20:58 pm
   The details of the crime report in Tender's link  shows, to quote former New York mayor David Dinkins, a "gorgeous mosaic" of nationalities with juicy representation of immigrants from all over the place.  Looks like Syrians represent but a small fraction of asylum applicant wrong doers.
  So Asylum seekers are only 50 times more likely to commit murder than Austrian citizens.


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: Tender Branson on January 05, 2016, 01:28:33 pm
  The details of the crime report in Tender's link  shows, to quote former New York mayor David Dinkins, a "gorgeous mosaic" of nationalities with juicy representation of immigrants from all over the place.  Looks like Syrians represent but a small fraction of asylum applicant wrong doers.
  So Asylum seekers are only 50 times more likely to commit murder than Austrian citizens.

The "Austrian citizens" murder rate is not adjusted though for an unknown number of murder victims who are stored somewhere in basements across the country.

So, not directly comparable ...

;) :P


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: Tender Branson on January 05, 2016, 01:40:08 pm
Well, the new year is off to a bad start:

Murder victim's head found in concrete block

Police have told a press conference in Linz that a woman whose dismembered body was found hidden in two suitcases in a lake in Upper Austria was likely strangled. Her head, which was missing, was later found encased in concrete.

A second body, that of a man, was found in Traunsee on Monday afternoon, about 5 km from the shore. He had bags containing stones and a concrete block tied to his hands. The concrete block concealed the woman's missing head.

Upper Austrian police chief Gottfried Mitterlehner told the press conference that detectives believe the man murdered the woman and then drowned himself.

http://www.thelocal.at/20160105/second-body-found-in-traunsee-lake

Interestingly enough, it turned out that both were Germans from the state of Hessen.

Pretty bizarre that a German would kill his wife, dismember her and encase her head in concrete, then drive 500 miles to some lake in Austria to dump her and kill himself.


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: rob in cal on January 05, 2016, 05:29:58 pm
   I remember the Traunsee and Gmunden from my trip to Austria in 1989.  A lovely place, so weird to be the site of a horrible discovery.


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: Murica! on January 05, 2016, 05:58:12 pm
Well, the new year is off to a bad start:

Murder victim's head found in concrete block

Police have told a press conference in Linz that a woman whose dismembered body was found hidden in two suitcases in a lake in Upper Austria was likely strangled. Her head, which was missing, was later found encased in concrete.

A second body, that of a man, was found in Traunsee on Monday afternoon, about 5 km from the shore. He had bags containing stones and a concrete block tied to his hands. The concrete block concealed the woman's missing head.

Upper Austrian police chief Gottfried Mitterlehner told the press conference that detectives believe the man murdered the woman and then drowned himself.

http://www.thelocal.at/20160105/second-body-found-in-traunsee-lake

Interestingly enough, it turned out that both were Germans from the state of Hessen.

Pretty bizarre that a German would kill his wife, dismember her and encase her head in concrete, then drive 500 miles to some lake in Austria to dump her and kill himself.
Because its not bizarre for non-Germans?


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: dead0man on January 06, 2016, 12:09:48 am
All of those Syrians FLOODING over the border must be up to other nefarious deeds instead.
Not instead, also.  Many of us have been trying to tell you guys this, but you've kept your fingers in your ears.


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: President Griffin on January 06, 2016, 12:43:23 am
The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to first make sure that the bad guy can get a gun and then give another good guy a gun as well, of course!

LOLAustria - you're doing it wrong!


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: Tender Branson on December 24, 2016, 08:47:23 am
It's Christmas, time to look at the most and least peaceful cities again:

Another year is over and 2014 was indeed an outlier:

* 2014 had a record low of just 9 murders in Vienna (even Austria-wide, 2014 was a record-low-murder-year, with just 38 cases among 8.6 million people)

* 2015 had 20 murders so far, which is more than double the 2014 number, but still very low for a city of 1.8 million people

http://wien.orf.at/news/stories/2749577

PS: All 20 murders in Vienna this year were solved. As were all murders dating back to 2009.

* 2016 so far (until mid-December):

14 murders, not an all-time low but also not really high. Even though Vienna's population has grown to 1.9 million.

That's a murder rate of 0.7/100.000 people

Look how this compares with big US cities. (https://www.contra-magazin.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/USA-Mordrate.jpg)

(The only big US city which can somewhat match Vienna is Seattle, which will likely have 2.4/100.000 this year).


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: dead0man on December 24, 2016, 10:24:06 am
I live in the middle of one of the biggest 50 cities in the US.  The closest murder to me in the last 9 years is a 2.2 mile drive from my house (maybe 1.5 miles as the crow flies).  I feel very safe.  The total rate is 4.5/100k, but that's famously almost exclusively black people.  cite (http://www.ibtimes.com/omaha-nebraska-most-dangerous-place-america-be-black-1548466)


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: Green Line on December 24, 2016, 04:43:12 pm
Shut up Tender Bronson, and stop gloating over the dead black bodies of America.  Happy?


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: Tender Branson on January 02, 2017, 02:55:25 am
So far, 4/9 Austrian states have released their murder count for 2016:

Vienna: 15
Lower Austria: 9
Salzburg: 2
Tyrol: 1

Total: 27

These 4 states have a population of 4.8 million people, so the murder rate was 0.6/100.000 people.

For comparison, Chicago (2.7 million people), had 760 murders last year ... (rate: 28/100.000)


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: Mangez des pommes ! on January 02, 2017, 09:13:11 am
STOP


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: Tender Branson on January 02, 2017, 09:14:17 am

???


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: Mangez des pommes ! on January 02, 2017, 09:16:32 am
We don't need 3-5 f**king threads about crime statistics in a second-rate European capital.


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: Tender Branson on January 02, 2017, 09:17:53 am
We don't need 3-5 f**king threads about crime statistics in a second-rate European capital.

Sure.

And first-rate, not 2nd rate ... Tony.

It's the 5th biggest city in the EU.


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: Devout Centrist on January 02, 2017, 11:21:50 am
So far, 4/9 Austrian states have released their murder count for 2016:

Vienna: 15
Lower Austria: 9
Salzburg: 2
Tyrol: 1

Total: 27

These 4 states have a population of 4.8 million people, so the murder rate was 0.6/100.000 people.

For comparison, Chicago (2.7 million people), had 760 murders last year ... (rate: 28/100.000)
Bragging about a low murder rate while panicking over migrant crime? At least be consistent.


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: Tender Branson on January 02, 2017, 12:16:45 pm
I'm not "bragging", I just post facts.

And as you can see, I already started posting it before the Middle-Eastern and North African migrants even came in ...

Besides, I am consistent: I have already posted before that foreigners in Austria have a very high crime rate and also murder rate (their share in the population is 13%, but make up 45% of all murder perpetrators and 35% of rapists).


Title: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on February 04, 2017, 07:34:01 am
(Image Link)

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A group of ~20 to 30 Chechen men met yesterday night at the Danube Island north of the city center.

Concerned residents called the police because the men behaved suspiciously.

When police arrived, one of the men wanted to hide a handgun in the snow.

Police also found a machine gun and plenty of ammunition.

All men have been arrested on terrorism charges.

https://kurier.at/chronik/wien/donauinsel-22-maenner-mit-maschinenpistole-festgenommen/244.778.482


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Nhoj on February 04, 2017, 11:45:59 am
Sounds more likely to be criminal related stuff from the description rather than terrorism


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: ag on February 04, 2017, 11:49:34 am
Yeah, commercial motives are most likely. Unless, of course, they were thinking of taking out the Russian embassy.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on February 04, 2017, 11:57:56 am
Just recently, a few Chechens threatened to kill Foreign and Integration Minister Sebastian Kurz (ÖVP) because he and his SPÖ-counterpart put a full-face veil ban law on the agenda for this year.

They said: "If we meet Mr. Kurz, we'll kill him because prostitutes are allowed to run around almost naked on the streets of Austria, while our veiled sisters are targeted by this motherfu**er."

Probably the arrest was not related with this (there are some 40.000 Chechens in Austria), but you never know. The fewer guns these Islamofascists have, or the more of them are deported from here, the better ...


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: ag on February 04, 2017, 12:00:15 pm
The fewer guns these Islamofascists have, or the more of them are deported from here, the better ...

Chechens are barely Muslim. If you think that what drives them is Islam, you know nothing of Chechnya. Islam for them is just another way of saying "we are what we are".


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on February 04, 2017, 12:03:08 pm
The fewer guns these Islamofascists have, or the more of them are deported from here, the better ...

Chechens are barely Muslim. If you think that what drives them is Islam, you know nothing of Chechnya. Islam for them is just another way of saying "we are what we are".

I guess you are wrong. Almost all of the Chechens here in Austria are Muslims and according to many experts, they are one of the most radical ones around here (next to the Saudis and Salafists from the Gulf).

In fact, 80% of Austrian "foreign fighters" (= people who went to Iraq and Syria to fight for ISIS, or returned back "home") were Chechens ...


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: ag on February 04, 2017, 12:07:41 pm
The fewer guns these Islamofascists have, or the more of them are deported from here, the better ...

Chechens are barely Muslim. If you think that what drives them is Islam, you know nothing of Chechnya. Islam for them is just another way of saying "we are what we are".

I guess you are wrong. Almost all of the Chechens here in Austria are Muslims and according to many experts, they are one of the most radical ones around here (next to the Saudis and Salafists from the Gulf).

In fact, 80% of Austrian "foreign fighters" (= people who went to Iraq and Syria to fight for ISIS, or returned back "home") were Chechens ...

They are Muslim, of course, and many are outwardly devout. But what is driving them is not being Muslim. It just so happens that they spent centuries fighting a Christian neighbour (Russia), so Islam is part of their nationalism. But nationalism and tribal affiliation is what drives them. Things like blood revenge are much more salient there than anything coming from any religion. You will understand them much better if you think Sicily, not ISIS.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on February 04, 2017, 12:13:46 pm
The fewer guns these Islamofascists have, or the more of them are deported from here, the better ...

Chechens are barely Muslim. If you think that what drives them is Islam, you know nothing of Chechnya. Islam for them is just another way of saying "we are what we are".

I guess you are wrong. Almost all of the Chechens here in Austria are Muslims and according to many experts, they are one of the most radical ones around here (next to the Saudis and Salafists from the Gulf).

In fact, 80% of Austrian "foreign fighters" (= people who went to Iraq and Syria to fight for ISIS, or returned back "home") were Chechens ...

They are Muslim, of course, and many are outwardly devout. But what is driving them is not being Muslim. It just so happens that they spent centuries fighting a Christian neighbour (Russia), so Islam is part of their nationalism. But nationalism and tribal affiliation is what drives them. Things like blood revenge are much more salient there than anything coming from any religion. You will understand them much better if you think Sicily, not ISIS.

Not so sure about that. I once watched an ORF documentary about ISIS recruitment in Vienna (am Schauplatz, I guess) and Chechens are one of the most devout visitors of mosques in Vienna.

And not only that, Chechens are generally pretty violent there for years, with gang warfare, beating up women, drug dealing, rapes, and hitmans killings (even a prominent one which was directed personally by Kadyrow himself).

And the above-mentioned ISIS-fighters of course.

So, no need to trivialise the pain in the ass that many of them are ...


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Lord Halifax on February 04, 2017, 12:36:36 pm
The fewer guns these Islamofascists have, or the more of them are deported from here, the better ...

Chechens are barely Muslim. If you think that what drives them is Islam, you know nothing of Chechnya. Islam for them is just another way of saying "we are what we are".

I guess you are wrong. Almost all of the Chechens here in Austria are Muslims and according to many experts, they are one of the most radical ones around here (next to the Saudis and Salafists from the Gulf).

In fact, 80% of Austrian "foreign fighters" (= people who went to Iraq and Syria to fight for ISIS, or returned back "home") were Chechens ...

They are Muslim, of course, and many are outwardly devout. But what is driving them is not being Muslim. It just so happens that they spent centuries fighting a Christian neighbour (Russia), so Islam is part of their nationalism. But nationalism and tribal affiliation is what drives them. Things like blood revenge are much more salient there than anything coming from any religion. You will understand them much better if you think Sicily, not ISIS.

Not so sure about that. I once watched an ORF documentary about ISIS recruitment in Vienna (am Schauplatz, I guess) and Chechens are one of the most devout visitors of mosques in Vienna.

And not only that, Chechens are generally pretty violent there for years, with gang warfare, beating up women, drug dealing, rapes, and hitmans killings (even a prominent one which was directed personally by Kadyrow himself).

And the above-mentioned ISIS-fighters of course.

So, no need to trivialise the pain in the ass that many of them are ...

You don't have to an Islamist to be a menace (or a pain in the ass). Coming a violent clan culture is wholly sufficient. ISIS is as much about looth and plunder as it is about Islamism.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on February 21, 2017, 03:32:15 pm
Another of these "unique" horror cases, committed by "refugees" ...

(Image Link)

The story is this:

A young woman from Germany visited her friend in Vienna who was studying there. They went out into a crowded bar during the evening. Some Iraqi men (all of them "refugees" who arrived in 2015) filled her up with vodka and took her to the apartment where some of the men were living in. They planned the gang-rape before. They sent the female family members who were living with them to another apartment so that they are not "disturbed".

Then they gang-raped her for several hours and took selfies. One of the men later testified that "she was a nasty woman and that raping her wasn't easy because she constantly cried and screamed".

In the morning, they dumped her at a subway station. The traumatized woman was found by pedestrians who called the ambulance. Now, the woman is a psychological wreck.

The 9 men (of which 4 are already recognized asylum seekers on welfare) will get between 5-15 years in prison. They cannot be deported to Iraq, because they'd get the death penalty there.

http://wien.orf.at/news/stories/2826866


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Meclazine on February 21, 2017, 05:34:57 pm
Here we go.

Sydney had a similar incident years ago with Lebanese Australians of muslim immigrant families:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3pw7tb

The muslim boys 14-18 would lure young women and drive them to a secluded spot, gang rape them, and then phone another car load of young Lebanese men who would drive to the location and simply re-rape the same girls.

There was an issue where the rapists referred to the young women as "aussie sluts" and "we are going to rape you Leb-style".

Terrible crimes.




Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: ∀lex on February 21, 2017, 05:41:27 pm
I'm sure White Europeans would neeeeveeerrrr do anything like thiz


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Austere Religious Scholar on February 21, 2017, 05:46:02 pm
I'm sure White Europeans would neeeeveeerrrr do anything like thiz

Of course. The rape was unknown in Europe before Muslim refugees.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Blue3 on February 21, 2017, 08:19:37 pm
I sincerely doubt you could find 9 European men to agree to conspire to rape someone.

Never heard of gang rape?


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tulsi "Both sides" Gabbard on February 21, 2017, 08:27:32 pm
I'm sure White Europeans would neeeeveeerrrr do anything like thiz

But the Austrian state  only has a responsibility to look after it's citizens, anybody else is only there as a privilege. The rapes committed by the local men are an unfortunate and unavoidable reality, but those are natural burdens every society has to deal with. What makes this behavior more heinous, on top of the rape, is that these men went out of their way to backstab the society that took serious risks in letting them into their metaphorical house. Yes we do have a right to expect gratitude from those that are let in.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Bismarck on February 21, 2017, 11:55:45 pm
Terrible. Sad to see some (thankfully not all) of the red avatars basically saying "This is normal don't judge you evil white men would do the same thing".


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Parrotguy on February 22, 2017, 12:23:00 am
I'm sure White Europeans would neeeeveeerrrr do anything like thiz

But the Austrian state  only has a responsibility to look after it's citizens, anybody else is only there as a privilege. The rapes committed by the local are an unfortunate and unavoidable reality, but those are natural burdens every society has to deal with. What makes this behavior more heinous, on top of the rape, these men went out of their way to backstab the society that took serious risks in letting them into their metaphorical house. Yes we do have a right to expect gratitude from those that are let in.

But I also agree with this.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: ∀lex on February 22, 2017, 12:49:23 am
Terrible. Sad to see some (thankfully not all) of the red avatars basically saying "This is normal don't judge you evil white men would do the same thing".

All I'm saying is he shouldn't "imply" that this is something only done by refugees and don't give a sh't when a similar situation is committed by non-immigrants


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Zioneer on February 22, 2017, 02:59:10 am
Subtle, Tender. I guess you would be sharing this if it had been Austrian citizens doing the rape?

Regardless, yes, this is a terrible crime, these men should be in prison, longer than 5-15 years, I think. Life if the Austrian legal system allows for it.

There's no dispute that the crime is terrible, just the terribly unsubtle message of "REFUGEES BAD NATIONALISM GOOD".


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on February 22, 2017, 03:51:55 am
You guys are not getting it ...

There are 7.4 million Austrians and 1.4 million foreigners in the country.

Of the 1.4 million foreigners, around 10% (140.000) are recently-arrived asylum seekers.

Almost all of the high-profile rape cases in recent years are committed by aslum seekers - allthough they are not even 2% of the overall population.

Rape among Austrian citizens is extremely rare (Austrians used to kill quite a few prostitutes back in the 1980s, but rape ... it's very rare these days).

Besides, I sometimes post some horrible crimes committed by Austrians too (like a few years ago when some guy shot and killed 4 police officers/ambulance drivers etc.) - but these are rare cases every few years - and not on a daily basis like the immigrant rape and murder cases.

Subtle, Tender. I guess you would be sharing this if it had been Austrian citizens doing the rape?

Regardless, yes, this is a terrible crime, these men should be in prison, longer than 5-15 years, I think. Life if the Austrian legal system allows for it.

There's no dispute that the crime is terrible, just the terribly unsubtle message of "REFUGEES BAD NATIONALISM GOOD".

The crime is considered "grievous bodily harm" and the max. sentence is 15 years.

Life imprisonment (which is what they should get) is not an option.

Besides, nationalism has nothing to do with it.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Ye Olde Europe on February 22, 2017, 04:22:22 am
Almost all of the high-profile rape cases in recent years are committed by aslum seekers - allthough they are not even 2% of the overall population.

Last October, the Federal Criminal Police of Germany released numbers that more than 95% of all sex crimes in Germany are committed by non-asylum seekers ("Kriminalität im Kontext von Zuwanderung - Bundeslagebild 2015" from October 18, page 14).

I can't imagine that Austria is radically different from Germany in that respect. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the ration is a bit lower in Austria, since they do have fewer refugees. Have you tried to ascertain whether Austrian police has released such numbers?

In any case, it certainly stands out that you only post about the 5% of rapes which are committed by refugees and never about the 95% of rapes which are committed by non-refugees.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on February 22, 2017, 04:34:51 am
Almost all of the high-profile rape cases in recent years are committed by aslum seekers - allthough they are not even 2% of the overall population.

Last October, the Federal Criminal Police of Germany released numbers that more than 95% of all sex crimes in Germany are committed by non-asylum seekers ("Kriminalität im Kontext von Zuwanderung - Bundeslagebild 2015" from October 18, page 14).

I can't imagine that Austria is radically different from Germany in that respect. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the ration is a bit lower in Austria, since they do have fewer refugees. Have you tried to ascertain whether Austrian police has released such numbers?

In any case, it certainly stands out that you only post about the 5% of rapes which are committed by refugees and never about the 95% of rapes which are committed by non-refugees.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=255275.msg5452085#msg5452085

Btw: Austria doesn't have fewer refugees. The numbers are roughly comparable with Germany percentage-wise.

And also, you say that asylum seekers are responsible for 5% of all rapes in Germany, but they only make up 1-2% of the population. Which means they have a much higher rape-rate than Germans.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on February 22, 2017, 04:50:42 am
There was a parliamentary inquiry about "rapes committed by foreigners and asylum seekers", to which the Interior Minister replied:

https://www.parlament.gv.at/PAKT/VHG/XXV/AB/AB_09970/imfname_576696.pdf

In 2015, there were 826 rapes and 688 suspects, of which 250 were foreigners (36%).

39 were asylum seekers (5.7% of suspects)

In 2016 (Jan. to Sept.), there were 677 rapes and 594 suspects, of which 257 were foreigners (43%).

91 were asylum seekers (15.3% of suspects)

...

So, the number of foreign rape suspects, especially asylum seekers, increased significantly last year - despite only making up 1-2% of the population.

I assume the figures for Germany that you cited were from 2015, so get ready for a massive spike in asylum seeker rapes for 2016 there as well ...


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Ye Olde Europe on February 22, 2017, 04:54:24 am
And also, you say that asylum seekers are responsible for 5% of all rapes in Germany, but they only make up 1-2% of the population. Which means they have a much higher rape-rate than Germans.

In Germany, it's slightly more than 2% actually. And the Federal Criminal Police didn't use asylum seekers alone, but also a couple of other groups such as illegals. And the precise ratio of asylum seekers comitting sex crimes was 4.6%.

And it doesn't change the fact that 100% of your posts about rape are dealing with the 5% of refugees, and 0% of your posts are dealing with the 95% of non-refugees. Wouldn't it be much fairer if only 5% of your "rape posts" were about rape committed by refugees? I certainly wouldn't complain then. But the way it is now, you get the impression that you don't actually care about rape, but about refugees.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on February 22, 2017, 05:03:55 am
And also, you say that asylum seekers are responsible for 5% of all rapes in Germany, but they only make up 1-2% of the population. Which means they have a much higher rape-rate than Germans.

In Germany, it's slightly more than 2% actually. And the Federal Criminal Police didn't use asylum seekers alone, but also a couple of other groups such as illegals.

And it doesn't change the fact that 100% of your posts about rape are dealing with the 5% of refugees, and 0% of your posts are dealing with the 95% of non-refugees. Wouldn't it be much fairer if only 5% of your "rape posts" were about rape committed by refugees? I certainly wouldn't complain then. But the way it is now, you get the impression that you don't actually care about rape, but about refugees.

I certainly care more about the rape victims than most of the leftists with their constant euphemism towards the disgusting crime committed by "refugees".

BTW: Why should I regularly report rape crimes of Austrians or Germans, when in fact a disproportional amount of rapes are committed by non-Austrians or non-Germans ?

Yes, Austrians and Germans rape and this sucks - but we have to look at the share and here the statistics speak volumes: If a population group makes up 1-2% of the population and commits 15% of the rapes, there's a problem. Obviously, you will just continue to ignore that problem, as usual ...


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Ye Olde Europe on February 22, 2017, 05:45:56 am
I assume the figures for Germany that you cited were from 2015, so get ready for a massive spike in asylum seeker rapes for 2016 there as well ...

The Federal Criminal Police of Germany had also released prelimary numbers for 2016 and they didn't point to a "massive spike" here.



I certainly care more about the rape victims than most of the leftists with their constant euphemism towards the disgusting crime committed by "refugees".

BTW: Why should I regularly report rape crimes of Austrians or Germans, when in fact a disproportional amount of rapes are committed by non-Austrians or non-Germans ?

Yes, Austrians and Germans rape and this sucks - but we have to look at the share and here the statistics speak volumes: If a population group makes up 1-2% of the population and commits 15% of the rapes, there's a problem. Obviously, you will just continue to ignore that problem, as usual ...

So, you think you're identified a problem... but you haven't presented a solution really besides "don't let any refugees come here".

According to the preliminary numbers released for 2016, you can surmise that about 0.2% of all asylum seekers living in Germany have committed a sex crime last year. That's 2 out of 1000. So, is the conclusion that 100% of all refugees shouldn't be allowed in because 0.2% of them may commit a rape? That does seem overly excessive to me, to be frank. You go tell the 998 you're not willing to let in here that they're not welcome because the other two may (or may not) commit rape at one point. Let's see after how many you'll give up.



You wrote what you pisses off about the debate. Fine, I'll write you what me pisses off about the debate. The fact the my party, the Green Party, were often the first who introduced legislatio  n into the Bundestag banning rape within marriage, forced marriage or genital mutilation in Germany. They often did it years before the so-called conservatives did it. For instance, in 2006 the Greens first introduced a bill banning legislation genital mutilation. It didn't find a majority and hence it didn't get passed. They introduced another bill in 2011, and it didn't get passed. Genital mutilation was then finally banned in 2013 by CDU/CSU and FDP.

And then right-wingers come and accuse you for not doing anything about it, and that you're even supporting forced marriage, genital mutilation, and rape. Then, the same right-wingers go ahead and cut the public funding for battered women's shelters for migrant women. And do you know where battered women's shelters for migrant women go when they want to campaign for more funding? They're certainly not going to the AfD. They're not going to the CDU. They're going to the Greens. Because they know they get an actual solution here that helps.

All that right-wingers do is to point out all the evil things immigrants do. Because it's a cheap and easy way to get votes. But it doesn't solve any problems. It creates even more. It creates a climate where racism becomes acceptable. And in a climate where racism become acceptable, there's also an increase of racist letters and threat letters from racists to battered women's shelter for migrant women. Like it was told to me in the battered women's shelter for migrant women I visited last years.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Ye Olde Europe on February 22, 2017, 07:34:03 am
And here's another thing which pisses me off.

A frequent accusation I'm hearing particularly from the AfD crowd is "well, how many refugees have Green politicians accepted at their own homes then?" with the implication being that refugees are so terrible sub-human rapist barbarians that no one would, even Greens, would accept refugees at their homes and the Green support for Merkel's refugee policies is therefore hyporcritical. The truth is that I know a lot of Greens who have provided shelter for refugees at their own homes. Including gay couples. No problems there.

All of this isn't made public though. The reason is: If you make it public that you provide shelter for refugees, you are going to get hate mail and death threats.

So, some things have to be kept secret.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Ye Olde Europe on February 22, 2017, 10:03:20 am
BTW: Why should I regularly report rape crimes of Austrians or Germans, when in fact a disproportional amount of rapes are committed by non-Austrians or non-Germans ?

Yes, Austrians and Germans rape and this sucks - but we have to look at the share and here the statistics speak volumes: If a population group makes up 1-2% of the population and commits 15% of the rapes, there's a problem. Obviously, you will just continue to ignore that problem, as usual ...

I would say the problem is that rapes are being committed at all btw.

You seem to accept rapes committed by natives as normality, and only when this normality is disturbed are you interested in it as a "problem". I'd say every rape is a problem.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Mopolis on February 22, 2017, 11:00:47 am
Whataboutism in response to gang rape - not a good look!


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: InvisibleTrump on February 22, 2017, 12:26:28 pm
Europe's rape crisis is heating up. It's getting as frequent as our mass shootings are over here. There needs to be stricter punishment IMO. Ideally, my policy would be to deport the offenders entire family. I'm sure some of these Afghan refugee mothers would put their sons' balls in a vice if they had to go back there because of their children's deeply concerning behavior.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on February 22, 2017, 12:33:59 pm
BTW: Why should I regularly report rape crimes of Austrians or Germans, when in fact a disproportional amount of rapes are committed by non-Austrians or non-Germans ?

Yes, Austrians and Germans rape and this sucks - but we have to look at the share and here the statistics speak volumes: If a population group makes up 1-2% of the population and commits 15% of the rapes, there's a problem. Obviously, you will just continue to ignore that problem, as usual ...

I would say the problem is that rapes are being committed at all btw.

You seem to accept rapes committed by natives as normality, and only when this normality is disturbed are you interested in it as a "problem". I'd say every rape is a problem.

     I would note that Tender's logic is basically the same as #BlackLivesMatter; a certain group is overrepresented in this social ill and we should deal with that. Your response is equivalent to #AllLivesMatter; that is, this social ill matters and should be addressed regardless. Philosophically I agree with your POV, but practically we can most efficiently deal with the problem of rape by targeting those factors that most strongly correlate with the problem of rape.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Аverroës 🦉 on February 22, 2017, 01:02:33 pm
I am not inclined to take Tender’s line regarding refugees with much sympathy, but the critical responses here have been less than compelling. Unless the numbers that he is citing are outright wrong, I don’t understand how anyone can read about something like this without recognizing it as a problem in need of an answer.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on February 22, 2017, 01:04:05 pm
all is true at the same time.

1) it is less reported if it's austrian on austrian rape.

2) there are statistically more rape cases including foreigners (as victims and predators)

3) and....there aren't many many cases, to my knowledge, involving syrians.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Meclazine on February 22, 2017, 06:33:21 pm
Is it just me, or are people trying to normalise gang rape as something that just happens.

The gang rape in Sydney involved up to 12-15 muslim youths.

That is not normal.



Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Siren on February 22, 2017, 06:33:31 pm
If a White person brought this idea up to another White person, the other White person would freak out and report them. If a White person brought this up to 9 other White people, at least one of them would.

Seriously, how do 9 people agree to commit a gang rape? This kind of conspiracy is only possible because of the morally backwards, intellectually stunted culture these people come from.

Clearly you haven't heard about what happened in Berlin at the end of WW2. 

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32529679 (http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32529679)

Anyway, obviously this is terrible but rape victims are a severely misunderstood group of people.  It's one of the most under reported crimes because of how humiliating it is, particularly because it usually happens among people you know very well and have to see over and over again each time you walk down the street or through a hallway at work or at school, reliving what happened each time.  It makes sense that reporting would be higher for people you don't know, especially people that police and society at large might be more willing to take your side against.  Because as you might have noticed, the burden to prove what happened is on the victim and a lot of times it's not easy to prove.  That's not to say these incidents are excusable or that they don't need to be addressed, but seriously, spare me the cultured white people BS.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Beet on February 22, 2017, 06:35:09 pm
Alt Righters love Milo and Roosh but hate Muslims for some reason.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on February 22, 2017, 06:52:31 pm
Europe's rape crisis is heating up. It's getting as frequent as our mass shootings are over here. There needs to be stricter punishment IMO. Ideally, my policy would be to deport the offenders entire family. I'm sure some of these Afghan refugee mothers would put their sons' balls in a vice if they had to go back there because of their children's deeply concerning behavior.

I suspect a contributing factor is that many young men come to a foreign land and do not have family with them to provide any sort of moral or social grounding.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Cory on February 22, 2017, 07:45:51 pm
If a White person brought this idea up to another White person, the other White person would freak out and report them. If a White person brought this up to 9 other White people, at least one of them would.

Seriously, how do 9 people agree to commit a gang rape? This kind of conspiracy is only possible because of the morally backwards, intellectually stunted culture these people come from.

Clearly you haven't heard about what happened in Berlin at the end of WW2.

The fact that you're literally reaching back to the Battle of Berlin aftermath in 1945 is really telling.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Intell on February 22, 2017, 07:53:22 pm
There is a disproportionate problem with refugees and crime, that must be dealt with, and to deny that is foolish.



Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Siren on February 22, 2017, 08:42:23 pm
If a White person brought this idea up to another White person, the other White person would freak out and report them. If a White person brought this up to 9 other White people, at least one of them would.

Seriously, how do 9 people agree to commit a gang rape? This kind of conspiracy is only possible because of the morally backwards, intellectually stunted culture these people come from.

Clearly you haven't heard about what happened in Berlin at the end of WW2.

The fact that you're literally reaching back to the Battle of Berlin aftermath in 1945 is really telling.

It tells that I've read some history books I guess?


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Аverroës 🦉 on February 22, 2017, 09:26:20 pm
Siren, I really dislike the implications that some posters are trying to draw from this, but reaching back to the social trauma of people at the epicenter of one the most destructive events in history for a comparison does not suggest to me that this is just something to be expected as a matter of the normal, everyday criminality that every society experiences.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: ∀lex on February 22, 2017, 09:47:54 pm
19 to girl gang raped by 5 "natives from Sevilla (Spain)" during last year's San Fermín
http://www.abc.es/espana/abci-san-fermin-carcel-tres-horas-y-media-cronologia-violacion-201608181259_noticia.html

http://www.abc.es/espana/abci-victima-violacion-multiple-san-fermin-sometera-examen-psicologico-201608261335_noticia.html
They're these presumed rapist's and they all have Castizo names
(Image Link)

13 y.o. girl gang raped and blackmailed by 'Ndragheta mafiosi (2013-15)
http://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_news/2016/09/02/eight-arrested-for-gang-rape-of-girl-13_76079f53-9f2b-48f8-87c9-3f6b69afc5af.html




Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Intell on February 22, 2017, 09:51:00 pm
19 to girl gang raped by 5 "natives from Sevilla (Spain)" during last year's San Fermín
http://www.abc.es/espana/abci-san-fermin-carcel-tres-horas-y-media-cronologia-violacion-201608181259_noticia.html

http://www.abc.es/espana/abci-victima-violacion-multiple-san-fermin-sometera-examen-psicologico-201608261335_noticia.html
They're these presumed rapist's and they all have Castizo names
(Image Link)

13 y.o. girl gang raped and blackmailed by 'Ndragheta mafiosi (2013-15)
http://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_news/2016/09/02/eight-arrested-for-gang-rape-of-girl-13_76079f53-9f2b-48f8-87c9-3f6b69afc5af.html




That's not the point, the point there is a huge disproportionate problem with refugees commuting more rapes and crime in a country, and there  is a problem with immigrants from mainly muslim countires, with segregation and crime.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: ∀lex on February 22, 2017, 09:57:36 pm
I was responding to Xenophobe Morty and Co. who seem to claim that white people would never commit these crimes


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Siren on February 22, 2017, 10:34:04 pm
Siren, I really dislike the implications that some posters are trying to draw from this, but reaching back to the social trauma of people at the epicenter of one the most destructive events in history for a comparison does not suggest to me that this is just something to be expected as a matter of the normal, everyday criminality that every society experiences.

That's a fair point.  I'm not really trying to say this kind of thing is normal, but I think there are some important lessons from it.  The stories from the German victims show the intense humiliation that people feel when they've been raped and how it makes many of them really unlikely to want to tell anyone.  They felt ashamed at what their country had done but also were afraid that nobody would believe them because they were untrustworthy or worse, being afraid that people would say they deserved it because they were Germans.  So when victims are afraid no one will believe them, they are less likely to report. 

It also shows that people are capable of truly barbaric things when they've gone through incredible hardship (yes, even white people!)  Refugees are coming from a very bad situation, so if they arrive in a new environment that's kind of unknown, and they remain poor or don't have a job, it's going to create some problems.  Just like when people try to point to inner city black crime rates, and try to say oh it's the black culture when it's actually the living conditions. 

It's understandable that people see crime statistics from refugees and immediately want to ban them all, but that means closing the door to people literally running from genocide.  I've been to refugee shelters here in New York and seen the smiling children, running around and playing just like normal kids, pointing to maps and showing you happily where they grew up until they smile and say "bye!" when it's time for them to go to their English class.  It might take some extra work to help them get going in society, but I'm prepared to do it.  They don't deserve to die.  I don't really know how European refugee shelters and policies are handling the situation, but my guess is that their solution is too bureaucratic and doesn't have enough understanding of the human condition.  They might need some extra help coming from the circumstances they do, but that doesn't mean they're bad people.  Anyone would be messed up coming from a situation like that. 

And that's not even counting all of the examples of refugees who have done great things like Nadia Nadim, an Afghan refugee that fled the Taliban when they murdered her father.  Now she plays on the Danish national soccer team and founded several clinics in Denmark to help hungry children, while studying at university to be a doctor.  If Denmark didn't take her in, she would probably just be a body in the ground somewhere.  It just goes to show what good people can do for society when given the chance.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Zioneer on February 22, 2017, 11:14:15 pm
Siren, I really dislike the implications that some posters are trying to draw from this, but reaching back to the social trauma of people at the epicenter of one the most destructive events in history for a comparison does not suggest to me that this is just something to be expected as a matter of the normal, everyday criminality that every society experiences.

That's a fair point.  I'm not really trying to say this kind of thing is normal, but I think there are some important lessons from it.  The stories from the German victims show the intense humiliation that people feel when they've been raped and how it makes many of them really unlikely to want to tell anyone.  They felt ashamed at what their country had done but also were afraid that nobody would believe them because they were untrustworthy or worse, being afraid that people would say they deserved it because they were Germans.  So when victims are afraid no one will believe them, they are less likely to report. 

It also shows that people are capable of truly barbaric things when they've gone through incredible hardship (yes, even white people!)  Refugees are coming from a very bad situation, so if they arrive in a new environment that's kind of unknown, and they remain poor or don't have a job, it's going to create some problems.  Just like when people try to point to inner city black crime rates, and try to say oh it's the black culture when it's actually the living conditions. 

It's understandable that people see crime statistics from refugees and immediately want to ban them all, but that means closing the door to people literally running from genocide.  I've been to refugee shelters here in New York and seen the smiling children, running around and playing just like normal kids, pointing to maps and showing you happily where they grew up until they smile and say "bye!" when it's time for them to go to their English class.  It might take some extra work to help them get going in society, but I'm prepared to do it.  They don't deserve to die.  I don't really know how European refugee shelters and policies are handling the situation, but my guess is that their solution is too bureaucratic and doesn't have enough understanding of the human condition.  They might need some extra help coming from the circumstances they do, but that doesn't mean they're bad people.  Anyone would be messed up coming from a situation like that. 

And that's not even counting all of the examples of refugees who have done great things like Nadia Nadim, an Afghan refugee that fled the Taliban when they murdered her father.  Now she plays on the Danish national soccer team and founded several clinics in Denmark to help hungry children, while studying at university to be a doctor.  If Denmark didn't take her in, she would probably just be a body in the ground somewhere.  It just goes to show what good people can do for society when given the chance.

Exactly. No one is denying that monstrous actions of these refugees, and what others have/might have done. We're just pushing back against the asinine implication that "REFUGEE BAD NATIVIST GOOD" that is the core of what Tender and others have said in this thread.

The majority of refugees are average, everyday people, and like natives of any given country, there are bad people and there are good people, and different extremes in between. We're pushing back against this absurd demonization of all refugees by Tender and co.

Again, no one is denying that what these refugees did is bad. No one has said that's fine. Punish them as the law demands, and make the law stricter and harsher if you must. But demonization of refugees as a whole is ridiculous.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: ∀lex on February 22, 2017, 11:18:12 pm


Exactly. No one is denying that monstrous actions of these refugees, and what others have/might have done. We're just pushing back against the asinine implication that "REFUGEE BAD NATIVIST GOOD" that is the core of what Tender and others have said in this thread.

The majority of refugees are average, everyday people, and like natives of any given country, there are bad people and there are good people, and different extremes in between. We're pushing back against this absurd demonization of all refugees by Tender and co.

Again, no one is denying that what these refugees did is bad. No one has said that's fine. Punish them as the law demands, and make the law stricter and harsher if you must. But demonization of refugees as a whole is ridiculous.
This


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Zioneer on February 22, 2017, 11:35:19 pm
Frankly, the anti-refugee types seem to want us to stand up and applaud them in text for the gift of sharing this information.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on February 23, 2017, 06:24:04 am
We're pushing back against this absurd demonization of all refugees by Tender and co.

Typical storyline to attack me for "demonization of all refugees" ...

I'm only attacking certain "refugees", the rapists and killers etc. (who make up a disproportionate share, like I already mentioned).

IMO, these people (who are often shielded not only by ultra-leftists, but also by a lack of repatriation treaties) should be strapped to a parachute and thrown out over the airspace of their respective home countries with a solid kick in their ass.

At least better than feeding them through in our prisons.

The remaining non-criminal refugees (especially women and kids) can stay and integrate.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: ∀lex on February 23, 2017, 07:06:56 am
Why do you write it as "refugees"?


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: DavidB. on February 23, 2017, 07:14:24 am
Why do you write it as "refugees"?
Because you aren't an actual refugee if you're crossing numerous safe countries simply to go to the country where you can get the most benefits.

Anyway, my thoughts on issues like this (not calling it an incident, it is a pattern) should be well-known by know.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: ∀lex on February 23, 2017, 07:24:48 am
Why do you write it as "refugees"?
Because you aren't an actual refugee if you're crossing numerous safe countries simply to go to the country where you can get the most benefits.

Anyway, my thoughts on issues like this (not calling it an incident, it is a pattern) should be well-known by know.
But he doesn't write it like that when he's talking about that same people when they aren't commiting crimes or destroying native Austrian civilization


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Meclazine on February 23, 2017, 08:11:59 am
Why do you write it as "refugees"?
Because you aren't an actual refugee if you're crossing numerous safe countries simply to go to the country where you can get the most benefits.

Anyway, my thoughts on issues like this (not calling it an incident, it is a pattern) should be well-known by know.

Now we are talking the truth.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on February 23, 2017, 08:19:08 am
Why do you write it as "refugees"?

Because they are highly criminal scum and not refugees.

Refugees do not abuse the host country by gang raping women ...

Plus DavidB.s comment.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on February 23, 2017, 10:59:37 am
i agrew with tender and disagree with david.

if the other countries have no refugee system or literally hate you, there can't be a logical explanation not to go further.

otherwise i am in favor of a working EU system but without one....can't really blame the real syria refugees who are rarely ever in the news.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: DavidB. on February 23, 2017, 11:28:00 am
can't really blame the real syria refugees who are rarely ever in the news.
I don't. If I were Syrian, I would absolutely do the same and move to Sweden (or Austria, or Germany, or the Netherlands), and so would every rational human being. I blame countries in Europe for not closing their borders.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on February 23, 2017, 11:48:49 am
can't really blame the real syria refugees who are rarely ever in the news.
I don't. If I were Syrian, I would absolutely do the same and move to Sweden (or Austria, or Germany, or the Netherlands), and so would every rational human being. I blame countries in Europe for not closing their borders.

you can make this point, i have shifted my positions on this matter widely since 2014 and i think it's a fair one.

i just don't like the "crossing borders = no more refugees" view.....otherwise there would have never ever been refugees across the sea.



Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: InvisibleTrump on February 23, 2017, 11:17:56 pm
can't really blame the real syria refugees who are rarely ever in the news.
I don't. If I were Syrian, I would absolutely do the same and move to Sweden (or Austria, or Germany, or the Netherlands), and so would every rational human being. I blame countries in Europe for not closing their borders.
I agree with your core arguments, but the refugees are not really winning much sympathy from me when they make the very arrogant claim that we have a duty to help them. The thought would never cross my mind in the event that some liberal's wet dreams come true and Trump actually collapses America that I'd be entitled to shelter in Canada. But assuming I got turned away, my natural gut instinct after heading north would be to somehow go east or west until I am someplace where I know I'm not imposing.

Maybe I'm an extremely anxious person who is just constantly ill at ease. I'd like to think that my thought process on this is normal though. Unfortunately though I can't seem to find any of that "guest anxiety" in the most vocal activists working among or on the behalf of the fleeing Syrians from the media reports I've seen.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: dead0man on February 24, 2017, 06:46:22 am
what?  all those videos of the "refugees" tossing full cases of water on the train tracks, grabbing boxes of things that were supposed to be handed out individually, forcing young children to look way more in distress than they actually are and stealing sh**t off the back of trucks/lorries doesn't look like "great anxiety" to you?


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: ∀lex on February 24, 2017, 06:48:25 am
Being jackasses or criminals isn't a refugee-exclusive quality


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: dead0man on February 24, 2017, 07:02:55 am
of course not, who suggested it was?


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Famous Mortimer on February 24, 2017, 07:12:33 am
Being jackasses or criminals isn't a refugee-exclusive quality

Western countries already got enough jackasses of their own. Why import more?


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on February 24, 2017, 07:26:23 am
Being jackasses or criminals isn't a refugee-exclusive quality

Western countries already got enough jackasses of their own. Why import more?

Good question, yes.

WHY import more of them ? This is something the far-leftist loons always fail to answer.

Women and children ? No problem, let them in. But the 80% of young men that were sneaking themselves in over the past 2 years ? Unacceptable to me.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: ¢®🅰ß 🦀 ©@k€ 🎂 on February 24, 2017, 07:45:52 am
what?  all those videos of the "refugees" tossing full cases of water on the train tracks, grabbing boxes of things that were supposed to be handed out individually, forcing young children to look way more in distress than they actually are and stealing sh**t off the back of trucks/lorries doesn't look like "great anxiety" to you?

I dunno, the fact that over 5000 refugees drowned in The Mediterranean suggest the decision isn't some amusing lark either.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Omega21 on February 24, 2017, 08:17:15 am
what?  all those videos of the "refugees" tossing full cases of water on the train tracks, grabbing boxes of things that were supposed to be handed out individually, forcing young children to look way more in distress than they actually are and stealing sh**t off the back of trucks/lorries doesn't look like "great anxiety" to you?

I dunno, the fact that over 5000 refugees drowned in The Mediterranean suggest the decision isn't some amusing lark either.

No one said they should be left to drown in the water. They shouldn't be granted to choose where they live or how long they stay there, and as soon as the war is over unless they have a (2000 Euro+ Job) and are perfectly integrated, they need to be sent back to rebuild their Homeland.

And these are no harsh rules, these same rules apply for everyone in Austria in order to get a "Green Card".

For everyone, except the Refugees and the ones who are "connecting their Family".


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 24, 2017, 10:28:39 am
No one said they should be left to drown in the water. They shouldn't be granted to choose where they live or how long they stay there, and as soon as the war is over unless they have a (2000 Euro+ Job) and are perfectly integrated, they need to be sent back to rebuild their Homeland.

Don't know what the number is on this, but presumably some of them sided with the uprising in some way, and are fleeing Assad.  Thus if Assad wins the war then returning home after the war is over is problematic.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: ¢®🅰ß 🦀 ©@k€ 🎂 on February 24, 2017, 12:25:39 pm
what?  all those videos of the "refugees" tossing full cases of water on the train tracks, grabbing boxes of things that were supposed to be handed out individually, forcing young children to look way more in distress than they actually are and stealing sh**t off the back of trucks/lorries doesn't look like "great anxiety" to you?

I dunno, the fact that over 5000 refugees drowned in The Mediterranean suggest the decision isn't some amusing lark either.

No one said they should be left to drown in the water. They shouldn't be granted to choose where they live or how long they stay there, and as soon as the war is over unless they have a (2000 Euro+ Job) and are perfectly integrated, they need to be sent back to rebuild their Homeland.

And these are no harsh rules, these same rules apply for everyone in Austria in order to get a "Green Card".

For everyone, except the Refugees and the ones who are "connecting their Family".

That wasn't the point of my statement.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: DavidB. on February 24, 2017, 11:06:16 pm
what?  all those videos of the "refugees" tossing full cases of water on the train tracks, grabbing boxes of things that were supposed to be handed out individually, forcing young children to look way more in distress than they actually are and stealing sh**t off the back of trucks/lorries doesn't look like "great anxiety" to you?

I dunno, the fact that over 5000 refugees drowned in The Mediterranean suggest the decision isn't some amusing lark either.
Excellent argument to stop giving them hope and just tell them that anyone who crosses the sea has to go back anyway. If they are all sent back, they will stop coming. It is the Europeans who create the incentive for people to try their luck and drown. Because keeping our borders open "feels good".


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on February 25, 2017, 08:28:28 am
ISIS et al and poverty are the main driver, liberal migration systems are only enhancing or focusing that drift, imho.

doesn't mean it has no consequences....but as long as africa/southern asia is in crisis, as long are its inhabitants going to risk their lives to leave.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: dead0man on February 25, 2017, 08:37:59 am
what?  all those videos of the "refugees" tossing full cases of water on the train tracks, grabbing boxes of things that were supposed to be handed out individually, forcing young children to look way more in distress than they actually are and stealing sh**t off the back of trucks/lorries doesn't look like "great anxiety" to you?

I dunno, the fact that over 5000 refugees drowned in The Mediterranean suggest the decision isn't some amusing lark either.
never suggested it was.  Illegal immigration is very dangerous everywhere.  80% of women crossing the US-Mexican border get raped, often multiple times.  Those people drowned in the Mediterranean because lefties in Europe told them if they can make it here, they can stay.  You can't encourage a known dangerous thing and then blame the other side when the inevitable happens.  Well, you can, but it looks stupid.  I'm sure it plays well for other stupid people though, which is why it won't stop.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: ¢®🅰ß 🦀 ©@k€ 🎂 on February 25, 2017, 12:16:02 pm
what?  all those videos of the "refugees" tossing full cases of water on the train tracks, grabbing boxes of things that were supposed to be handed out individually, forcing young children to look way more in distress than they actually are and stealing sh**t off the back of trucks/lorries doesn't look like "great anxiety" to you?

I dunno, the fact that over 5000 refugees drowned in The Mediterranean suggest the decision isn't some amusing lark either.
Excellent argument to stop giving them hope and just tell them that anyone who crosses the sea has to go back anyway. If they are all sent back, they will stop coming. It is the Europeans who create the incentive for people to try their luck and drown. Because keeping our borders open "feels good".

I don't even wholly disagree with this assessment, but the point of my statement if the fact that so many people die kind of disproves the notion that everybody not literally running from a bomb is planning to head to Europe for a sort of lark. If you do something you no runs the risk of death, there must be an element of desperation.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on February 27, 2017, 09:38:43 am
Turns out young migrants/refugees (Afghans, Chechens etc.) are real WiFi leeches and often spend hours at the Vienna train stations surfing the internet in large groups.

During the night hours, they often commit serious crimes (I have already reported (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=255581.0) on the significant increase in young migrant crime in and around train stations in the large Austrian cities).

This led the Austrian Railway to cut the free WiFi down to 15 minutes a day to scare away these migrants:

http://wien.orf.at/news/stories/2820892

http://www.thelocal.at/20170120/cut-free-wifi-to-combat-station-violence-say-rail-bosses


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on February 27, 2017, 09:47:06 am
Not to mention that the Austrian Railway is a deeply red (= Social Democratic) institution.

A desperate security situation calls for desperate measures I guess ...


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: DavidB. on February 27, 2017, 09:48:53 am
Not sure if serious. And cutting off the WiFi is now a "desperate measure"?

Anyway, RIP McDonald's.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on February 27, 2017, 10:19:51 am
Tender Branson, please see a psychiatrist about your rampant sexual insecurity.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on February 27, 2017, 12:20:23 pm
Tender Branson, please see a psychiatrist about your rampant sexual insecurity.

Stop playing Sigmund Freud.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on February 27, 2017, 12:30:14 pm
this is obviously not "leeching" ... i think every modern big city should set up free wifi.... otherwise i am okay with that.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on February 27, 2017, 12:36:36 pm
Tender Branson, please see a psychiatrist about your rampant sexual insecurity.

Stop playing Sigmund Freud.

I'll do that moment you create several threads attacking Austrians for sexual assault or accuse them of being leaches for one reason or another.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on February 27, 2017, 12:40:55 pm
tender is not wrong, it just feels a little bit like the typical rural-city divide. :p


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on February 27, 2017, 12:41:18 pm
Tender Branson, please see a psychiatrist about your rampant sexual insecurity.

Stop playing Sigmund Freud.

I'll do that moment you create several threads attacking Austrians for sexual assault or accuse them of being leaches for one reason or another.

I attack Austrians for sexual assault (or other serious crimes), if these rare cases pop up ...

But currently, migrant crime is much more prevalent and especially comitted at rates much higher than what their share is in the population. So, I'll focus on this instead.

Besides, I have never heard of groups of Austrians rotting themselves together at a train station to deal with drugs, rape women or stab someone to death ...

Also, your classification of me having a "rampant sexual insecurity" is not only wrong but also has nothing to do with this topic. Try again ...


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on February 27, 2017, 12:50:47 pm
ofc austrians also deal with drugs....but they are doing it in more sophisticated and less "visible" ways.



Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Hnv1 on February 27, 2017, 01:52:22 pm
Are you a member of the Grün party ? If they are anything like their counterparts in Germany then I find your political alignment strange


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on February 27, 2017, 01:53:45 pm
Are you a member of the Grün party ? If they are anything like their counterparts in Germany then I find your political alignment strange

there is a big difference between the city green party and the rural green parties.

and like in germany, the green party also is strong in areas who have been historially hard for social democrats.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: parochial boy on February 27, 2017, 03:46:14 pm
They come over here, they steal our Wifi...


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Famous Mortimer on February 27, 2017, 05:42:24 pm
Yep. People will say this isn't a big deal but it is actually making life worse for people in a small way and it's part of what will undoubtedly become a larger trend.

Because of third world immigration and homelessness (two problems that are very much connected), New York City lacks a lot of amenities that other cities have. Public bathrooms had to be closed. Not as many businesses offer wifi. Public parks close at night. Supermarkets close at 8 or 9pm because they can't afford to pay people due to high rents.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Zioneer on February 28, 2017, 12:37:36 am
Oh look, it's another Tender Branson thread whining about migrants/refugees! Who could have guessed?!?


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: ∀lex on February 28, 2017, 03:21:21 am
Oh look, it's another Tender Branson thread whining about migrants/refugees! And Xenophobe Morty standing by him! Who could have guessed?!?


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Devout Centrist on February 28, 2017, 01:28:15 pm
Go jack off and take a break, Xenophobic Freud.

Leeching off wifi?! Man people get angry over anything these days.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: It's Trotsky Time on March 01, 2017, 01:59:41 pm
When there is an underclass abusing the amenities that a city offers, of course the quality of life gets worse.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on March 02, 2017, 10:18:55 am
8 of the 9 were sentenced to 9-13 years in prison.

One was aquitted because of credible doubts.

The Interior Ministry is now checking if they can be deported to Iraq ...


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on March 02, 2017, 10:31:54 am
Important to note also that both the judge and the state prosecutor who charged them were women ...


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on March 02, 2017, 01:07:24 pm
Trump on Twitter: "Did you know what happened in Austria today ?" (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/03/02/eight-iraqis-convicted-in-new-years-gang-rape-in-austria.html)

:P


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Simfan34 on March 04, 2017, 12:25:32 pm
Yep. People will say this isn't a big deal but it is actually making life worse for people in a small way and it's part of what will undoubtedly become a larger trend.

Because of third world immigration and homelessness (two problems that are very much connected), New York City lacks a lot of amenities that other cities have. Public bathrooms had to be closed. Not as many businesses offer wifi. Public parks close at night. Supermarkets close at 8 or 9pm because they can't afford to pay people due to high rents.

Clearly you're familiar with a different New York City than I. First off, the case for linking "third world immigration" (see also: my post responding to CountryClassSF on AAD) with homelessness is extremely tenuous, to put it mildly. A majority of the homeless in NYC are black (http://www.coalitionforthehomeless.org/basic-facts-about-homelessness-new-york-city/) (i.e.: not immigrants), and an overwhelming majority street homeless. The proportion of Hispanics is broadly in line with their share of the overall city population.

Obviously, there's a homeless problem, and it's been getting worse in recent years. If you were acquainted with the actual New York, you'd know about those kiosks they put up last year at which the homeless setting up camp and watching porn until they blocked the websites, and now they've basically been disabling them except for emergency use. The street homeless seem to be getting more aggressive, and while it's still not as bad as San Francisco, it's likely "progressive" interests will continue to work against enforcement of existing laws. Again, this doesn't have much to do with migration!

But what really struck was the claim that groceries close at 8-9pm (!), which bears no relation to my experience; the two groceries nearest to me are open 24/7 and others are open until 10-12. I also don't get what high commercial rents have to do with homelessness.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Meclazine on March 06, 2017, 06:07:11 am
The Australian gang rapes are on the news again:

https://www.9now.com.au/a-current-affair/2017/clip-cizxwfdkh006e0ht6fj357jby

One girl was raped 44 times in 4 hours by 14 men.

It was essentially "organised rape" by muslim men who targeted white girls:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_gang_rapes


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Lok on March 06, 2017, 06:13:43 am
You're using A Current Affair as a reliable source? I'm not so sure that's a good idea.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Meclazine on March 06, 2017, 06:23:46 am
You're using A Current Affair as a reliable source? I'm not so sure that's a good idea.

Don't you step on Tracy Grimshaw's toes. She is my favourite lesbian residing from God's country.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on March 06, 2017, 07:57:23 am
84-page report:

http://www.bmi.gv.at/cms/cs03documentsbmi/1983.pdf

I will post the main findings about the report and especially about the migrant-crime-related parts in the evening when I have some time ...


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Austere Religious Scholar on March 06, 2017, 08:01:14 am
Why not one big volume?


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on March 06, 2017, 08:10:17 am

I'm OK with that, even though it makes it hard to follow and post on a specific topic.

Could you also rename the thread to something like "Tender's (immigrant) crime megathread" ?

... because having "refugees" in it generalizes this whole group, which I don't like (after all, I'm only against criminal refugees and immigrants and not the regular ones who want to integrate into society without raping someone etc.)

Thx.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: ∀lex on March 06, 2017, 08:48:25 am
No, you'll never report on non-immigrant/non-refugee crime


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on March 06, 2017, 02:09:55 pm
No, you'll never report on non-immigrant/non-refugee crime

That is wrong (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=166845.msg3870906#msg3870906).

Quote
"Austria gunman ‘kills three’ including police officers and takes hostage."

And:

Quote
"The Trial Begins: Fritzl Pleads Guilty to Incest, Denies Murder"

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=93825.0


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on March 06, 2017, 02:35:13 pm
84-page report:

http://www.bmi.gv.at/cms/cs03documentsbmi/1983.pdf

I will post the main findings about the report and especially about the migrant-crime-related parts in the evening when I have some time ...

Short summary:

Overall, crime increased by about 4% last year - a lot of the increase was because of an increase in violent crime (+7% - but not murders, which remained low), private cyber-crime (+31%) and economic crimes (which includes corporate cyber-crime, +11%).

Over the past 10 years, total crimes reported remained at roughly the same level.

More crimes are being committed by foreigners and especially asylum seekers though:

There were a total of 270.160 suspects, of which 61% were Austrian citizens and 39% foreigners (foreigners make up 14% of the overall population).

The number of foreign suspects increased by 14% in 2016. The share of foreign suspects has reached the highest level ever.

This is mostly because suspects who are asylum seekers exploded in 2016:

In 2015 a total of 14.458 asylum seekers were crime suspects, in 2016 that total rose to 22.289 suspects - an increase of 54%.

What this means is that in 2016, statistically-speaking ...

* 1 in 45 Austrian citizens was a crime suspect
* 1 in 12 foreign citizens was a crime suspect
* 1 in 4 asylum seekers was a crime suspect

Tough numbers ...


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Austere Religious Scholar on March 06, 2017, 02:45:17 pm
Does Poles steal a lot of cars in Austria or it's just in Germany?


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on March 06, 2017, 02:47:25 pm
Does Poles steal a lot of cars in Austria or it's just in Germany?

i think this stereotype is 20 years out-of-date but i guess you would know best. ;P

fun fact...the foreigners who are guilty of the most crimes in austria are....germans.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on March 06, 2017, 02:50:07 pm
Does Poles steal a lot of cars in Austria or it's just in Germany?

i think this stereotype is 20 years out-of-date but i guess you would know best. ;P

fun fact...the foreigners who are guilty of the most crimes in austria are....germans.

No, in 2016 it's actually Romanians. Germans are 2nd. Not a surprise though, as Germans are the largest group of foreigners in Austria. Plus, 60 million German tourists are visiting us every year ...

As for the Poles stealing cars here: Maybe 10-20 years ago, but nowadays car theft is going down significantly.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on March 06, 2017, 02:52:37 pm
as Germans are the largest group of foreigners in Austria. Plus, 60 million German tourists are visiting us every year ...

they are but not so much bigger than the yugoslavian diaspora. :p


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on March 06, 2017, 03:18:50 pm
Overall, crime increased by about 4% last year - a lot of the increase was because of an increase in violent crime (+7% - but not murders, which remained low).

There were 46 murders in Austria last year and 98 murder attempts.

99.3% of the murder cases were solved (1 attempted case was not).

The murder rate is relatively unchanged at 0.5 cases per 100.000 people (USA: 5/100.000).

Comparison: 46 cases ... that's what the city of Chicago has in 2 weeks.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Meclazine on March 06, 2017, 04:48:34 pm
Unfortunately for the victims, crime stats are only accurate through measuring background info on prosecuted and imprisoned felons.

In two years time, you will most likely tell us that Syrian and Algerian refugees are 4 times the national average for certain crimes.

But it's not just crime. Are they good drivers? Do these people start Restaurants and offer something to everyday Austrians? Do they blend well at social settings? Are they getting proper employment

The experience of immigration as a positive or a negative can be viewed a lot wider than imprisonment rates.

My pet peeve with migrant adults is when they block their children from Australian culture.



Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on March 06, 2017, 04:54:02 pm
everybody KNOWS afghans are over-represented, actual syrians are not.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on March 09, 2017, 12:22:31 pm
Here in Salzburg, 2 Syrian "refugees" were sentenced to 15 years and 12 years in prison today for torturing and killing a Serbian man in his apartment, because they wanted to torture his bank card details out of him by kicking and strangling him to death ...

They came as "refugees" back in 2015 and got the maximum sentence for "young adults" (19 years old).

http://salzburg.orf.at/news/stories/2829911


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on March 09, 2017, 12:23:34 pm
seems like the justice system is working just fine, imho.



Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on March 09, 2017, 12:27:52 pm
seems like the justice system is working just fine, imho.

Nobody is disputing that the justice system isn't working fine.

It's more that these violent young Middle-Eastern/African men shouldn't be here in the first place to kill and brutally attack all these recent victims ...


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on March 09, 2017, 02:23:39 pm
No, you'll never report on non-immigrant/non-refugee crime

Not an Austrian, but here's a disgusting (native German) suspect that's currently shocking Germany with this horrifying crime:

Quote
Manhunt for suspected German child killer Marcel H. continues

A young man suspected of killing his 9-year-old neighbor and posting images of it online is still on the run from police. Investigators have released new information, hoping that witnesses can lead them to Marcel H.

German police released further information on the suspected killer of the 9-year old early in the night to Thursday, saying that the 19-year-old fugitive - who is still at large - could have injured his hand during the crime.

In a statement shared via Twitter, local police said they were looking for witnesses who had spotted a young, slim man "at a hospital, pharmacy or doctor's office seeking treatment for an injury to his right hand."

The police also shared a photo of a dog, who they believe could be connected to the case, asking people who had information on the animal to contact them.

http://www.dw.com/en/manhunt-for-suspected-german-child-killer-marcel-h-continues/a-37860878


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Austere Religious Scholar on March 09, 2017, 03:11:46 pm
How about "Tender's Megathread On Crime in Austria", if you would report other stuff too? :P


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Аverroës 🦉 on March 15, 2017, 07:39:30 am
Yep. People will say this isn't a big deal but it is actually making life worse for people in a small way and it's part of what will undoubtedly become a larger trend.

Because of third world immigration and homelessness (two problems that are very much connected), New York City lacks a lot of amenities that other cities have. Public bathrooms had to be closed. Not as many businesses offer wifi. Public parks close at night. Supermarkets close at 8 or 9pm because they can't afford to pay people due to high rents.

Clearly you're familiar with a different New York City than I. First off, the case for linking "third world immigration" (see also: my post responding to CountryClassSF on AAD) with homelessness is extremely tenuous, to put it mildly. A majority of the homeless in NYC are black (http://www.coalitionforthehomeless.org/basic-facts-about-homelessness-new-york-city/) (i.e.: not immigrants), and an overwhelming majority street homeless. The proportion of Hispanics is broadly in line with their share of the overall city population.

Obviously, there's a homeless problem, and it's been getting worse in recent years. If you were acquainted with the actual New York, you'd know about those kiosks they put up last year at which the homeless setting up camp and watching porn until they blocked the websites, and now they've basically been disabling them except for emergency use. The street homeless seem to be getting more aggressive, and while it's still not as bad as San Francisco, it's likely "progressive" interests will continue to work against enforcement of existing laws. Again, this doesn't have much to do with migration!

But what really struck was the claim that groceries close at 8-9pm (!), which bears no relation to my experience; the two groceries nearest to me are open 24/7 and others are open until 10-12. I also don't get what high commercial rents have to do with homelessness.

Yes, the bit about "third world immigration and homelessness" sounds more like Stockholm than New York City. My roommate visited a few weeks ago and the presence of homeless people who were visible minorities was something he noted. And even there it didn't resemble the Children of Men-like scenario that FM describes in New York City that I've somehow never witnessed nor even heard about from anyone who lives there.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on March 27, 2017, 01:31:47 am
No, you'll never report on non-immigrant/non-refugee crime

Austrian woman admits she killed her own dog in a washer-dryer

A saga that has gripped Austria of a small dog spun to death in a washer-dryer took a shock twist Friday when the owner sensationally confessed to being the killer.

Initially, Silvia S. had said that she had come home last weekend to find the mangled remains of her beloved Gizmo, a Yorkshire Terrier, in a plant pot by her front door.

(Image Link)

The 49-year-old from Gratkorn in southern Austria had said that she had found an accompanying note that read: "Still warm. Suitable for washer-dryer".

Police found blood splatters and bits of fur inside the appliance.

In a story that won widespread media coverage, the inconsolable owner, pictured clutching sadly the green plant pot in question, fingered her neighbour as the prime suspect.

But on Friday police said that after a "thorough investigation" the owner herself admitted having accidentally been the culprit.

She told investigators that she had not noticed Gizmo when she turned on the machine to wash two dog blankets.

"She wanted to blame her neighbour in order not to have to confess to her son what had really happened," police said in a statement, adding that she now faces charges.

https://www.thelocal.at/20170324/austrian-woman-admits-she-killed-her-own-dog-in-a-washer-dryer


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: dead0man on March 27, 2017, 08:43:44 am
the cover up is (usually) worse than the crime


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Austere Religious Scholar on March 27, 2017, 10:35:47 am
You've earned yourself thread title change. Stay on right path.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Devout Centrist on March 27, 2017, 11:05:07 am
No, you'll never report on non-immigrant/non-refugee crime
That's because he's behind most of those


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Austere Religious Scholar on March 27, 2017, 11:28:13 am
No, you'll never report on non-immigrant/non-refugee crime
That's because he's behind most of those

I don't know, man, criminal minds loves to see their work appreciated.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on March 30, 2017, 02:30:08 pm
A Moroccan has been arrested today for brutally raping a 21-year old woman in Salzburg:

http://salzburg.orf.at/news/stories/2834009

The man is a rejected asylum seeker, who was still in the country illegally and who was not deported so far (I guess because Morocco is a real bi*ch in taking their countrymen back).

...

And in Graz, a Nigerian asylum seeker was sentenced to 10 years in prison today - also for raping a woman:

http://steiermark.orf.at/news/stories/2834180

...

And in Tyrol, 2 Moroccan asylum seekers brutally attacked 3 Tyrolians (incl. a woman) by beating them up with a broken bottle:

http://www.tt.com/panorama/verbrechen/12790462-91/drei-tiroler-mit-tritten-und-glasflasche-im-rapoldipark-verletzt.csp


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on March 31, 2017, 10:32:11 am
In 2016 there have been 49 attacks on asylum seeker homes in Austria (5 of which had no right-wing background => some asylum seekers want to burn down their own quarters).

In Germany (10x Austria's population), there were 970 attacks.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on April 04, 2017, 02:27:52 am
A 30-year old Austrian has been sentenced to 6 years in prison in Salzburg for trying to rape a 21-year old woman. After she defended herself, he throw her into the cold Salzach river where she almost drowned:

http://salzburg.orf.at/news/stories/2834955


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on April 09, 2017, 11:28:23 am
A (thank goodness stupid) 19-year old Somali tried to rape a 22-year local woman in Innsbruck today. Bad for him that it was during the morning, with cars driving by and next to a police station.

The police was there within one minute and arrested the guy.

http://derstandard.at/2000055623383/Versuchte-Vergewaltigung-einer-22-Jaehrigen-in-Innsbruck

...

And on Friday, a 37-year old woman was indeed raped by an unknown guy in Salzburg City. The woman told police that the man grabbed her from behind and she only saw that his hands "had black skin colour".

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Die Frau konnte keine konkreten Angaben zum Täter machen, weil dieser hinter ihr stand. Sie sagte nur aus, dass seine Hand schwarze Hautfarbe hatte.

http://derstandard.at/2000055608814/Erneut-Vergewaltigung-in-der-Salzburger-Altstadt


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on April 13, 2017, 10:50:45 am
The cases of violence at Vienna's main train station has gone down significantly since they cut free WiFi to the mostly young Afghan and Chechen immigrants who came there to surf on the internet for free and then committed serious assaults in the evening and night hours:

http://wien.orf.at/news/stories/2836412

From July-December, 85 incidents involved police presence. Between Jan.-March this was down to 20 incidents.

...

Also:

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Austrian authorities admit more than 40% of 'child' asylum seekers that underwent an age test turned out to be ADULTS.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4408554/Austrian-authorities-reveal-migrants-lying-age.html


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on April 25, 2017, 11:37:28 am
2 Syrian asylum seekers with IS contacts have been arrested today at a Vienna anti-terror raid:

http://wien.orf.at/news/stories/2839234

The suspects are a 48-year old woman and a 36-year old man.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on May 16, 2017, 02:32:15 am
A 15-year old girl was brutally raped by 3 "dark-skinned" men with "foreign languages" in a wooded area in Lower Austria.

All 59 men in a nearby asylum seeker centre have been DNA-tested ...

https://kurier.at/chronik/niederoesterreich/15-jaehrige-in-tulln-vergewaltigt-erstmals-massen-dna-test-in-oestereich/264.211.550


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on May 17, 2017, 01:28:19 am
UK ambassador's bruising encounter with Austrian boar

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Britain’s ambassador to Austria has generally been given a warm welcome, but a local wild boar appeared to have little time for diplomatic niceties. Leigh Turner, who took up the post last August, has revealed that while walking in woods near Vienna earlier this month, he was chased by a “massive” specimen and sustained minor injuries.

Turning a corner, Turner found himself face-to-face with a group of “four or five hulking adults and countless piglets”. He turned and walked away slowly. “Moments later I hear a noise behind me like a galloping horse, and turn to see a massive wild boar, head down, charging straight at me,” Turner recounted on his blog.

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Turner tried to escape by climbing a pile of tree trunks, but slipped on the wet wood, scratching and bruising himself in the process.

“By the time I turned round, the boar [no doubt thinking, ‘That’s got rid of that swine’] had trotted back to join the rest of the group, which was melting back into the forest,” he said. “All my minor injuries were self-inflicted: the boar never made contact.”

Maybe the wild-boar thought he was an IS fighter (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=263068.0) ?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/16/wild-boar-gives-british-ambassador-to-austria-the-chase

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39937822


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on May 21, 2017, 02:33:24 am
What a surprise ... The DNA tests led to the arrests of Somali and Afghan RAPISTS:

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An Austrian town has put a temporary ban on refugees after an alleged rape of a 15-year-old girl.

The girl was walking home alone April 25 when three men attacked her. The local prosecutor in Tulln, a town of about 15,000 people, ordered 59 male asylum seekers to submit DNA samples after the victims’ testimony.

An Afghan and a Somali citizen have since been arrested. A third suspect remains on the run.

Peter Eisenschenk, Tulln’s mayor, informed the regional government Tuesday that the town will not accept any refugees for the time being, newspaper Heute reports.

“For me, there is zero tolerance for criminal asylum seekers who abuse their rights as guests and in view of what these criminals did to the girl, the full severity of the law is demanded,” Eisenschenk said at a town hall meeting.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/20/austrian-town-wont-accept-any-more-refugees-after-girl-is-raped


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Kingpoleon on May 21, 2017, 12:26:03 pm
Turning your back on a herd of pigs is rather stupid. This reminds me of that story Kasich told, except he backed away from the dangerous moose.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Ye Olde Europe on May 21, 2017, 02:47:09 pm
I wonder if this will start the First Anglo-Boar war.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Kingpoleon on May 21, 2017, 05:23:26 pm
Do no white Austrians commit crimes for you to report on? Or do you prefer to focus on the minorities?


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Mopolis on May 22, 2017, 12:00:12 am
Do no white Austrians commit crimes for you to report on? Or do you prefer to focus on the minorities?

"Whataboutery in response to gang rape - not a good look!"


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on May 22, 2017, 01:27:44 am
Do no white Austrians commit crimes for you to report on? Or do you prefer to focus on the minorities?

It would be better for you to read the previous pages, before making a stupid comment like this.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: AtorBoltox on May 22, 2017, 04:59:36 am
I bet this boar was a Syrian refugee


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Hnv1 on May 22, 2017, 05:57:32 am
I thought the UK doesn't have an ambassador in Australiaa, Canada and such but rather a commissioner?


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tintrlvr on May 22, 2017, 10:45:43 am
I thought the UK doesn't have an ambassador in Australiaa, Canada and such but rather a commissioner?

Can't tell if this is an Austria/Australia joke or not.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: mvd10 on May 22, 2017, 10:55:42 am
Brexit payback ;)


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on May 23, 2017, 12:41:00 am
At least it wasn't radioactive.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/09/world/asia/radioactive-boars-in-fukushima-thwart-residents-plans-to-return-home.html


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: hurricanehink on May 24, 2017, 08:52:40 am
Isn't that how King Robert Baratheon died? That could lead to a war of the five kings! (Game of Thrones, anyone?)


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on May 26, 2017, 10:45:07 am
2016 saw 477 known anti-semitic incidents, up from 465 in 2015.

42% of these cases involved letters or phone calls.
32% involved internet/social media/emails
14% were smears or material/property damage
  5% were verbal insults
  5% were "others"
  1% were personal assault

...

59% of cases had an "unknown ideology".
28% of cases had a right-wing background
  9% of cases had an islamist background
  4% of cases had a left-wing background

Or, of those 41% with a known ideology ...

68% of cases had a right-wing background
22% of cases had an islamist background
10% of cases had a left-wing background

...

http://www.fga-wien.at/fileadmin/user_upload/FgA_Bilder/Berichte/Antisemitismusbericht_2016_FGA.pdf


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Horus on May 26, 2017, 01:19:02 pm
As usual, anti semitism is almost exclusively a symptom of the far right and radical Islam. Left wing anti Zionists are, in my experience, some of the most decent, accepting people out there.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: DavidB. on May 26, 2017, 02:11:04 pm
Left wing anti Zionists are, in my experience, some of the most decent, accepting people out there.
lol


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: parochial boy on May 26, 2017, 04:01:53 pm
As usual, anti semitism is almost exclusively a symptom of the far right and radical Islam. Left wing anti Zionists are, in my experience, some of the most decent, accepting people out there.

I don't think it is possible to be anti-zionist and not be anti-semitic, because the entire position relies on the argument that Jewish nationalism is somehow uniquely unacceptable.

That said, right wing anti-semitism is clearly a thing and people should recognise this.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Parrotguy on May 26, 2017, 04:30:41 pm
As usual, anti semitism is almost exclusively a symptom of the far right and radical Islam. Left wing anti Zionists are, in my experience, some of the most decent, accepting people out there.

Sure, they're very accepting of terrorist organizations killing their own people and targeting civilians. They even support these organizations. Nice guys.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Zioneer on May 26, 2017, 05:16:15 pm
As usual, anti semitism is almost exclusively a symptom of the far right and radical Islam. Left wing anti Zionists are, in my experience, some of the most decent, accepting people out there.

I don't think it is possible to be anti-zionist and not be anti-semitic, because the entire position relies on the argument that Jewish nationalism is somehow uniquely unacceptable.

That said, right wing anti-semitism is clearly a thing and people should recognise this.
Question: is it anti-semitic or anti-zionist to fully recognize that Israel should exist and that it is in fact better on human rights than many other nations in the area, but also to say that it might want to treat Palestinians better?


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Parrotguy on May 26, 2017, 05:27:58 pm
As usual, anti semitism is almost exclusively a symptom of the far right and radical Islam. Left wing anti Zionists are, in my experience, some of the most decent, accepting people out there.

I don't think it is possible to be anti-zionist and not be anti-semitic, because the entire position relies on the argument that Jewish nationalism is somehow uniquely unacceptable.

That said, right wing anti-semitism is clearly a thing and people should recognise this.
Question: is it anti-semitic or anti-zionist to fully recognize that Israel should exist and that it is in fact better on human rights than many other nations in the area, but also to say that it might want to treat Palestinians better?

That's a 100% legit position many of my friends hold. In fact, even I hold it to an extent, just that I see most of the unoptimal treatment as a result of the Palestinian refusal to compromise.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: parochial boy on May 26, 2017, 05:32:32 pm
As usual, anti semitism is almost exclusively a symptom of the far right and radical Islam. Left wing anti Zionists are, in my experience, some of the most decent, accepting people out there.

I don't think it is possible to be anti-zionist and not be anti-semitic, because the entire position relies on the argument that Jewish nationalism is somehow uniquely unacceptable.

That said, right wing anti-semitism is clearly a thing and people should recognise this.
Question: is it anti-semitic or anti-zionist to fully recognize that Israel should exist and that it is in fact better on human rights than many other nations in the area, but also to say that it might want to treat Palestinians better?

I think Anti-zionism as a position tends to hold that a Jewish state in Israel is illegitimate, which is a whole different kettle of fish to criticising Israel's policy with regards to Palestine.

Conflating the two is a useful trope for both the anti-semites of the world as well as the Israeli ultranationalist right.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: dead0man on May 27, 2017, 09:42:05 am
As usual, anti semitism is almost exclusively a symptom of the far right and radical Islam. Left wing anti Zionists are, in my experience, some of the most decent, accepting people out there.

I don't think it is possible to be anti-zionist and not be anti-semitic, because the entire position relies on the argument that Jewish nationalism is somehow uniquely unacceptable.

That said, right wing anti-semitism is clearly a thing and people should recognise this.
Question: is it anti-semitic or anti-zionist to fully recognize that Israel should exist and that it is in fact better on human rights than many other nations in the area, but also to say that it might want to treat Palestinians better?
no, that would be the normal position....unless it just ends there.  If that's all your thoughts on the situation (only blaming one side's govt for the problems) then yeah, you're probably a bigot.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Corbyn is a Strasserist on May 27, 2017, 01:54:01 pm
As usual, anti semitism is almost exclusively a symptom of the far right and radical Islam. Left wing anti Zionists are, in my experience, some of the most decent, accepting people out there.

I don't think it is possible to be anti-zionist and not be anti-semitic, because the entire position relies on the argument that Jewish nationalism is somehow uniquely unacceptable.

That said, right wing anti-semitism is clearly a thing and people should recognise this.
Question: is it anti-semitic or anti-zionist to fully recognize that Israel should exist and that it is in fact better on human rights than many other nations in the area, but also to say that it might want to treat Palestinians better?

Not remotely anti-semitic. In fact, I would bet it was the position of a majority of actual Zionists.

The problem of anti-zionists is delegitimization. BDS' driving principle is that Israel is the one nation in the world that is so evil and illegitimate that the country and the people in it should be treated as unpersons. There's no way around it that that's anti-semitic.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Corbyn is a Strasserist on May 27, 2017, 01:56:03 pm
As usual, anti semitism is almost exclusively a symptom of the far right and radical Islam. Left wing anti Zionists are, in my experience, some of the most decent, accepting people out there.

I've been physically assaulted in a hate crime twice in my life. One was an edgelord 16-year-old bigot when I was in high school. The other was a 22-year-old hipster who didn't like that I was wearing a yarmulke and attending a Seder while "Palestinian babies are being butchered".

So yeah, your bizarre worldview has no real basis in reality.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Zioneer on May 27, 2017, 10:09:55 pm
As usual, anti semitism is almost exclusively a symptom of the far right and radical Islam. Left wing anti Zionists are, in my experience, some of the most decent, accepting people out there.

I don't think it is possible to be anti-zionist and not be anti-semitic, because the entire position relies on the argument that Jewish nationalism is somehow uniquely unacceptable.

That said, right wing anti-semitism is clearly a thing and people should recognise this.
Question: is it anti-semitic or anti-zionist to fully recognize that Israel should exist and that it is in fact better on human rights than many other nations in the area, but also to say that it might want to treat Palestinians better?

Not remotely anti-semitic. In fact, I would bet it was the position of a majority of actual Zionists.

The problem of anti-zionists is delegitimization. BDS' driving principle is that Israel is the one nation in the world that is so evil and illegitimate that the country and the people in it should be treated as unpersons. There's no way around it that that's anti-semitic.

All right then. My position is that Israel does have a basic right to exist, but that it really should treat the Palestinians better. And of course that the surrounding nations should not encourage Palestinians to become militant.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: dead0man on May 28, 2017, 06:46:21 am
and the Palestinians themselves are totally innocent?


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Kingpoleon on May 28, 2017, 06:25:59 pm
Do no white Austrians commit crimes for you to report on? Or do you prefer to focus on the minorities?

It would be better for you to read the previous pages, before making a stupid comment like this.

I see you covering white crime twice in the last ten years, and one of those(Fritzl) was worldwide news.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Zioneer on May 28, 2017, 06:45:31 pm
and the Palestinians themselves are totally innocent?
They are not, but considering Israel itself is the government authority, they've got the majority of guns and soldiers, and I hold them to a bit of a higher standard. And as I said, I do hold the neighboring nations that make a point to support Palestinian belligerence to a higher standard as well.

Palestinians themselves are held to some standard of course, but I believe that Israel, as the stronger "partner" in this symbiotic relationship, should treat them better first, though Palestinians really should stop committing violence as well. I blame the overall tension and anger between both sides (and fanned by the neighboring and allied nations) for much of the modern mess.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: DavidB. on May 29, 2017, 01:12:06 pm
Do no white Austrians commit crimes for you to report on? Or do you prefer to focus on the minorities?
Triggered?


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on May 29, 2017, 01:19:44 pm
Do no white Austrians commit crimes for you to report on? Or do you prefer to focus on the minorities?

It would be better for you to read the previous pages, before making a stupid comment like this.

I see you covering white crime twice in the last ten years, and one of those(Fritzl) was worldwide news.

Well, asylum seekers in Austria have a 25 times higher crime rate than Austrians.

So, for every 25 cases of significant crime by asylum seekers I will post one significant crime that was done by an Austrian.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: ¢®🅰ß 🦀 ©@k€ 🎂 on May 29, 2017, 05:46:28 pm
I don't know whether my stance counts as Zionism. I think that all Jews have a right to live in Israel including the West Bank and Gaza, but I don't think the state should be an "explicitly" Jewish state (or if it is, it should be clarified that the state is binational, and bilingual - a joint Arab-Semetic project).

Perhaps it's hopelessly naive, but I can't stand the idea of a two state solution, which seems unworkable imo.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Blue3 on May 29, 2017, 08:20:08 pm
I keep reading this as "the Tinder megathread of crime in Austria" :P


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Kingpoleon on June 03, 2017, 03:07:53 pm
As usual, anti semitism is almost exclusively a symptom of the far right and radical Islam. Left wing anti Zionists are, in my experience, some of the most decent, accepting people out there.

Sure, they're very accepting of terrorist organizations killing their own people and targeting civilians. They even support these organizations. Nice guys.

Zionism isn't perfect by any means, but people who want staunch anti-Zionism are typically worse.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Austere Religious Scholar on June 03, 2017, 03:20:55 pm
I don't know whether my stance counts as Zionism. I think that all Jews have a right to live in Israel including the West Bank and Gaza, but I don't think the state should be an "explicitly" Jewish state (or if it is, it should be clarified that the state is binational, and bilingual - a joint Arab-Semetic project).

Perhaps it's hopelessly naive, but I can't stand the idea of a two state solution, which seems unworkable imo.

Well, Arabs are already Semitic :P

I was thinking about this recently and perhaps something similar to the Dual Monarchy would work here, but I'm not optymistic either.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on June 08, 2017, 02:29:22 am
Hiker killed by cow in Austrian Alps

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A hiker in the Austrian Alps was fatally gored when a cow charged at her, local police and media have said. The victim and a friend were walking their dogs in pasture land in the Tyrol region when the attack happened on Wednesday, the daily Tiroler Tageszeitung reported.

“One or several cows” charged, a police source told the Austria Press Agency (APA), and killed the hiker, a local. Her companion was unharmed.

The incident recalls the 2014 death of a 45-year-old German holidaymaker, gored by a cow in another Tyrolean valley while walking in a group that included children. The woman’s husband and son sought €360,000 (£310,000) compensation from the cow’s owner in a civil case that has not yet been decided.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/07/hiker-gored-to-death-by-cow-in-austrian-alps

#LockTheCowUp!


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on June 15, 2017, 01:28:03 am
2 more disgusting cases, this time in Germany:

A Chechen asylum seeker stabs his wife 19 times, cuts her throat and kicks her out of the window - because he thought that she has a relationship with another man.

The court sentenced him to 13 years in prison - for manslaughter, not murder (he could be out after 8 years).

The reasoning of the court for the lower sentence was that he deserves a "cultural rebate" - not knowing the cultural customs of Germany.

According to a witness, the killer said after the murder: "In Chechnya, it is a man's right to kill his wife if he finds out that she has a relationship with another man. That's how it is written in the Quran."

https://www.welt.de/vermischtes/article165382489/19-Messerstiche-aus-dem-Fenster-geworfen-Kehle-durchgeschnitten.html

...

The other case is this:

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An Afghan man killed a 5-year-old Russian boy in a home for asylum seekers near Regensburg in southern Germany on Saturday and was then shot dead by police, said German police, who confirmed earlier news media reports.

The 41-year-old Afghan also severely injured the boy's mother before police shot him at the home, where he died of his wounds, online magazine Focus Online reported, adding that the boy's brother, age 6, was being treated for shock after the attack.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-security-shooting-idUSKBN18U0VK


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on June 15, 2017, 01:48:26 am
A 26-year old Somali has damaged 20 cars here in Salzburg recently, by ripping off the mirrors on the outside. Damages amount to 30.000€

Why did he do it ?

He told the police that he wants to be immediately deported back to Somalia (which of course is impossible, because he's already a legal asylum seeker and he also cannot be deported because of his crimes, as Somalia is a war-zone).

In fact, he will now spend some time in the cozy brand-new Salzburg prison and if he really wants to go back to Somalia after his prison term, he would need to buy some plane tickets on his own ...

https://kurier.at/chronik/oesterreich/autos-beschaedigt-asylwerber-will-in-heimat-zurueck/262.495.914


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Austere Religious Scholar on June 16, 2017, 10:34:42 am
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"Shocking words from a Pole living in Austria: immigrants don't let us live normally!"

Notice the irony?


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on June 16, 2017, 10:47:33 am
What exactly does this Pole mean by "immigrants don't let us live normally!" ?

Was he attacked or harrassed by other immigrants or something ?


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Austere Religious Scholar on June 16, 2017, 11:27:41 am
What exactly does this Pole mean by "immigrants don't let us live normally!" ?

Was he attacked or harrassed by other immigrants or something ?

Maybe it were other Polish immigrants?


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on June 16, 2017, 01:34:29 pm
What exactly does this Pole mean by "immigrants don't let us live normally!" ?

Was he attacked or harrassed by other immigrants or something ?

Maybe it were other Polish immigrants?

Don't know ... maybe he says something about it in the video you linked. But I don't speak Polish. Still, it's not uncommon for immigrants to be critical of other immigrants. The Chechens here hate the Afghans (always a lot of street battles and knife-fights in Vienna recently), the Turks hate the Kurds, the Arabs hate the Jews and so on ...


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on July 02, 2017, 08:57:47 am
Several disgusting foreigner crimes happened over the past week:

* On Friday, a Tunisian delivery driver killed a retired couple in their home in Linz, because he blamed the FPÖ for all his misery in life and thought the 2 were FPÖ-voters (they were not). In fact, the 2 gave their killer money several times to help him with his failing delivery business. A couple years ago, a neighbour called the police because the killer was abusing animals - which led to an actual conviction of animal abuse. The killer said the neighbour was an "FPÖ-voter". The crime was particularly cruel, because first he killed the almost 90-year old woman by strangling her. Then he killed the almost 90-year old blind husband with a wooden rod, in which he put nails. He also stabbed him to death. Then he put gasoline on the bodies and burned down the house. The same day, he went to a police station, waited in line for some time until an officer had time for him and confessed the murders.

* In another case, a 18-year old student was raped in Linz. The 2 perpetrators, an Afghan asylum seeker and a Turk, dragged the victim into a basement of an asylum seeker home and raped her.

* In a third case, a young Afghan asylum seeker tried to rape a young woman who sun-bathed with her bikini on at the Donauinsel (Danube Island) in Vienna. The man was caught in the act by a Swiss tourist pair and a couple students nearby who fixated the asylum seeking rapist until police arrived.

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(the asylum-seeking Afghan rapist after his arrest)


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on July 02, 2017, 09:12:55 am
Several disgusting foreigner crimes happened over the past week:

* On Friday, a Tunisian delivery driver killed a retired couple in their home in Linz, because he blamed the FPÖ for all his misery in life and thought the 2 were FPÖ-voters (they were not). In fact, the 2 gave their killer money several times to help him with his failing delivery business. A couple years ago, a neighbour called the police because the killer was abusing animals - which led to an actual conviction of animal abuse. The killer said the neighbour was an "FPÖ-voter". The crime was particularly cruel, because first he killed the almost 90-year old woman by strangling her. Then he killed the almost 90-year old blind husband with a wooden rod, in which he put nails. He also stabbed him to death. Then he put gasoline on the bodies and burned down the house. The same day, he went to a police station, waited in line for some time until an officer had time for him and confessed the murders.

* In another case, a 18-year old student was raped in Linz. The 2 perpetrators, an Afghan asylum seeker and a Turk, dragged the victim into a basement of an asylum seeker home and raped her.

* In a third case, a young Afghan asylum seeker tried to rape a young woman who sun-bathed with her bikini on at the Donauinsel (Danube Island) in Vienna. The man was caught in the act by a Swiss tourist pair and a couple students nearby who fixated the asylum seeking rapist until police arrived.

(Image Link)

(the asylum-seeking Afghan rapist after his arrest)

The most ridiculous thing about Case 1 is probably that the Tunisian Muslim killer blamed the Austrian Labour Market Service for being "FPÖ-dominated" and responsible for the misery in his life (because they once cut his welfare payments). The Austrian Labour Market Service is an SPÖ/ÖVP institution and the FPÖ has nothing to do with it.

http://derstandard.at/2000060637242/Verdaechtiger-toetete-aus-Hass-auf-die-FPOe-altes-Ehepaar-in


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on July 02, 2017, 09:40:12 am
And just yesterday, an Afghan asylum seeker tried to kill his wife in an asylum seeker home in Upper Austria, by stabbing her in the face. He then said he's going to kill his whole family (they have 4 small children) by burning them to death. When he tried to find gas for his act, the police arrived and arrested him for attempted murder. His severely injured wife was taken to hospital.

http://www.kleinezeitung.at/oesterreich/5245082/Gewalttat-in-Asylunterkunft_Afghane-drohte-seine-ganze-Familie


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: mvd10 on July 02, 2017, 02:03:24 pm
It's almost as if I'm reading the Telegraaf. You should apply for a job there ;)


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: DavidB. on July 02, 2017, 03:54:27 pm
Now also in the Dutch right-wing media, Tender!

http://www.dagelijksestandaard.nl/2017/07/tunesische-kansenparel-vermoordt-oostenrijks-echtpaar-omdat-hij-een-voorbeeld-wilde-stellen/


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: dead0man on July 02, 2017, 10:42:41 pm
Don't know ... maybe he says something about it in the video you linked. But I don't speak Polish. Still, it's not uncommon for immigrants to be critical of other immigrants. The Chechens here hate the Afghans (always a lot of street battles and knife-fights in Vienna recently), the Turks hate the Kurds, the Arabs hate the Jews and so on ...
One interesting thing I've learned is that Americans born in Africa and regular old black people born in America tend to not like each other very much.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on July 05, 2017, 02:26:57 pm
The recent double killing and arson by a Muslim Tunisian immigrant against an old, blind couple was IS-related:

http://mobil.derstandard.at/2000060858844/Sobotka-Doppelmord-in-Linz-hat-IS-Hintergrund

:(


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: True Federalist on July 05, 2017, 03:38:57 pm
Road blocked by thousands (http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-40500042/why-did-the-chicken-close-the-road)

I hope they get the death penalty. Chicken's tasty.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on July 14, 2017, 03:02:26 am
Road blocked by thousands (http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-40500042/why-did-the-chicken-close-the-road)

I hope they get the death penalty. Chicken's tasty.

Chickens in Austria, eels in Oregon ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/eels-from-overturned-truck-slime-cars-on-oregon-highway/2017/07/13/a9fe8778-682e-11e7-94ab-5b1f0ff459df_story.html


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on July 17, 2017, 07:52:55 am
A homeless Polish man killed another homeless man (a Slovakian) in Vienna with a knife.

http://derstandard.at/2000061402228/Mann-auf-Donauinsel-getoetet-Verdaechtiger-schweigt


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Austere Religious Scholar on July 18, 2017, 01:08:28 pm
A homeless Polish man killed another homeless man (a Slovakian) in Vienna with a knife.

http://derstandard.at/2000061402228/Mann-auf-Donauinsel-getoetet-Verdaechtiger-schweigt

The Slavs sure are contentious people.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on July 18, 2017, 01:21:38 pm
In other recent murder cases, a German woman conspired with her new lover to kill her current husband (a Greek). Her lover (also a Greek) then killed her husband and dumped him on some Tyrolian mountain road. The body would have probably never been discovered if it weren't for a truck driver who had to go for a piss during the night. The man was sentenced to life in prison, the woman to 15 years (don't know exactly why, IMO she should get a life sentence too).

Another case in Salzburg also involves a German woman who dismembered the body of her Austrian lover and dumped the parts into the trash. She says he died naturally (forensic examinations are under way to determine the cause of death.

http://derstandard.at/2000061225696/Erschossener-Grieche-Lebenslang-fuer-angeklagten-Landsmann


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on July 18, 2017, 01:29:39 pm
Yesterday, an Afghan man was sentenced to life in prison for almost killing his girlfriend by brutally stabbing her 5 times in her face and head.

The woman somehow survived, but is paralyzed on one side of her body, has brain damage and in need of constant care.

The motive for the killing was that the woman wanted to end the relationship with him.

https://kurier.at/chronik/wien/lebenslange-haft-fuer-mordversuch-an-ex-freundin/275.643.475


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Lord Halifax on July 18, 2017, 03:08:34 pm
Yesterday, an Afghan man was sentenced to life in prison for almost killing his girlfriend by brutally stabbing her 5 times in her face and head.

The woman somehow survived, but is paralyzed on one side of her body, has brain damage and in need of constant care.

The motive for the killing was that the woman wanted to end the relationship with him.

https://kurier.at/chronik/wien/lebenslange-haft-fuer-mordversuch-an-ex-freundin/275.643.475

Was the victim also Afghan?


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Boston Bread on July 18, 2017, 04:28:46 pm
Yesterday, an Afghan man was sentenced to life in prison for almost killing his girlfriend by brutally stabbing her 5 times in her face and head.

The woman somehow survived, but is paralyzed on one side of her body, has brain damage and in need of constant care.

The motive for the killing was that the woman wanted to end the relationship with him.

https://kurier.at/chronik/wien/lebenslange-haft-fuer-mordversuch-an-ex-freundin/275.643.475

Was the victim also Afghan?
Google translate calls the victim and perpetrator the two Afghans, and says they are distantly related.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on July 19, 2017, 01:17:33 am
Yesterday, an Afghan man was sentenced to life in prison for almost killing his girlfriend by brutally stabbing her 5 times in her face and head.

The woman somehow survived, but is paralyzed on one side of her body, has brain damage and in need of constant care.

The motive for the killing was that the woman wanted to end the relationship with him.

https://kurier.at/chronik/wien/lebenslange-haft-fuer-mordversuch-an-ex-freundin/275.643.475

Was the victim also Afghan?

Yes.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on July 19, 2017, 01:26:44 am
Particulary disturbing part:

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Die beiden Afghanen führten daher eine heimliche Beziehung, die sich zusehends verdüsterte, weil die Lebensstile der zwei immer mehr auseinanderdrifteten. Während der Mann zu arbeiten aufhörte, von der staatlichen Fürsorge lebte und sich hochprozentigem Alkohol und Cannabiskraut hingab, holte die junge Afghanin den Schulabschluss nach, ließ sich zur Kindergärtnerin ausbilden, besuchte eine Fahrschule und am Abend einen Englisch-Kurs. Außerdem legte sie das Kopftuch ab. Die Staatsanwältin bezeichnete ihren Werdegang als "Musterbeispiel einer gelungenen Integration".

"Sie hat sich vorgestellt, in Österreich ein selbstbestimmtes Leben zu führen. Der Angeklagte hat ihren Traum zerstört", berichtete Opfer-Vertreterin Oberschlick.

Nachdem sie ihrem Freund mitgeteilt hatte, dass sie sich von ihm trennen werde, passte dieser die 22-Jährige mit bereits gezücktem Klappmesser ab.

Translation:

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The two Afghans had a relationship, which became increasingly dark because the two styles of life drifted apart. While the man stopped working, was living off the government, and devoted himself to a high percentage of alcohol and cannabis, the young Afghan woman graduated, trained as a nursery school attendant, attended a driving school, and attended an English course in the evening. She also put down the headscarf. The prosecutor described her career as an "example of successful integration".

"She wanted for herself to lead a self-determined life in Austria, the defendant has destroyed her dream," reported victim representative Oberschlick.

After she had told her friend that she was going to separate with him, the 22-year-old waited for her with a switchblade.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: dead0man on July 27, 2017, 07:55:56 am
Palestinian gets life for inciting killings of Jews (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/austria-palestinian-gets-life-for-inciting-killings-of-jews/2017/07/24/db31fcbc-70b7-11e7-8c17-533c52b2f014_story.html?utm_term=.be45af32dee4)
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An Austrian jury has convicted a Palestinian man on terrorism-related charges for inciting fellow radicals to kill Jews in Jerusalem.

The 27-year old man — unnamed due to Austrian privacy laws — also was found guilty on Monday of belonging to a terrorist organization due to his affiliation with Hamas militants who have ruled Gaza since seizing it in 2007.

He was sentenced to life in prison.

The six-member jury delivered its verdict after prosecutors presented evidence that the man called on others through social media to kill victims in Jerusalem. They cited his statements expressing pride in being a Hamas member, and noted that he had served a nine-year prison sentence in Israel for militant acts against the Jewish state.

Defense lawyers are appealing.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Lord Halifax on July 28, 2017, 08:41:12 pm
Good background from "The National Interest" with Austria as primary case.

I've Worked with Refugees for Decades. Europe's Afghan Crime Wave Is Mind-Boggling.
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/ive-worked-refugees-decades-europes-afghan-crime-wave-mind-21506 (http://nationalinterest.org/feature/ive-worked-refugees-decades-europes-afghan-crime-wave-mind-21506)


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: dead0man on July 29, 2017, 08:30:32 am
Good background from "The National Interest" with Austria as primary case.

I've Worked with Refugees for Decades. Europe's Afghan Crime Wave Is Mind-Boggling.
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/ive-worked-refugees-decades-europes-afghan-crime-wave-mind-21506 (http://nationalinterest.org/feature/ive-worked-refugees-decades-europes-afghan-crime-wave-mind-21506)
interesting read...the last bit
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Finally, the Left has to do a bit of hard thinking. It’s fine to be warm, fuzzy and sentimental about strangers arriving on your shores, but let’s also spare some warm, fuzzy and sentimental thoughts for our own values, freedoms and lifestyle. Girls and women should continue to feel safe in public spaces, be able to attend festivals, wear clothing appropriate to the weather and their own liking, travel on trains, go to the park, walk their dogs and live their lives. This is a wonderful Western achievement, and one that is worth defending.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on August 01, 2017, 08:05:34 am
"Tender never reports about white criminals" ...

http://noe.orf.at/news/stories/2858137

Over the weekend, a 25-year old woman was abducted in a truck and raped for hours near a lake (where she went swimming) in a wooded area in Lower Austria. The suspect is a 45-year old man (with or without migration background still unknown).


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Zinneke on August 01, 2017, 08:49:51 am
"Tender never reports about white criminals" ...

http://noe.orf.at/news/stories/2858137

Over the weekend, a 25-year old woman was abducted in a truck and raped for hours near a lake (where she went swimming) in a wooded area in Lower Austria. The suspect is a 45-year old man (with or without migration background still unknown).

The question is how you believe this to be somehow essential to Austrian and International political discussion, rather than "faits divers" outliers regularly used by populists on both sides to push a far more wide reaching agenda.



Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Austere Religious Scholar on August 01, 2017, 12:16:43 pm
"Tender never reports about white criminals" ...

http://noe.orf.at/news/stories/2858137

Over the weekend, a 25-year old woman was abducted in a truck and raped for hours near a lake (where she went swimming) in a wooded area in Lower Austria. The suspect is a 45-year old man (with or without migration background still unknown).

The question is how you believe this to be somehow essential to Austrian and International political discussion, rather than "faits divers" outliers regularly used by populists on both sides to push a far more wide reaching agenda.



Hey, at least we've contained him to one thread.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on August 01, 2017, 12:25:55 pm
"Tender never reports about white criminals" ...

http://noe.orf.at/news/stories/2858137

Over the weekend, a 25-year old woman was abducted in a truck and raped for hours near a lake (where she went swimming) in a wooded area in Lower Austria. The suspect is a 45-year old man (with or without migration background still unknown).

The question is how you believe this to be somehow essential to Austrian and International political discussion, rather than "faits divers" outliers regularly used by populists on both sides to push a far more wide reaching agenda.

"Outliers" ?!?

There have been too many "outliers" in the past years IMO, resulting from the failed immigration policy by Merkel and Co.

Several thousand women in Europe would be un-raped now, if the Arab and African rapists and killers were kept out instead.

But that's what you ultra-leftists like to do: play these "unique" crime cases down, trivialise them and accept it as "the new normal in Europe".

Not with me. I will always take a stand against these fu**ers and will report on their crimes and how the ultra-left tries to ignore them to the disadvantage of the victims, who are suffering for the rest of their lives (just because some elites decided to let people in who shouldn't be here)  ... !


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Zinneke on August 01, 2017, 05:23:41 pm
"Tender never reports about white criminals" ...

http://noe.orf.at/news/stories/2858137

Over the weekend, a 25-year old woman was abducted in a truck and raped for hours near a lake (where she went swimming) in a wooded area in Lower Austria. The suspect is a 45-year old man (with or without migration background still unknown).

The question is how you believe this to be somehow essential to Austrian and International political discussion, rather than "faits divers" outliers regularly used by populists on both sides to push a far more wide reaching agenda.

"Outliers" ?!?

There have been too many "outliers" in the past years IMO, resulting from the failed immigration policy by Merkel and Co.

Merkel and co are responsible how exactly? Do they have a crystal ball to determine when a migrant is a rapist and when they are not?  

Quote
Several thousand women in Europe would be un-raped now, if the Arab and African rapists and killers were kept out instead.

But that's what you ultra-leftists like to do: play these "unique" crime cases down, trivialise them and accept it as "the new normal in Europe".

Strawman. And an attempt to politicise rape. For me it shouldn't be a political issue. As soon as you commit it you should be imprisoned for a considerable amount of time in accordance with the law, or in the case of an asylum seeker, deported. We know the legal avenues for deportation are blocked due to the burning of passports though.

Could you source "ultra-leftist" parties saying crime should be the new normal in Europe? Maybe start local, like the "ultra-leftist" party you last voted for...

Quote
Not with me. I will always take a stand against these fu**ers and will report on their crimes and how the ultra-left tries to ignore them to the disadvantage of the victims, who are suffering for the rest of their lives (just because some elites decided to let people in who shouldn't be here)  ... !

Well done, Tender, what a massive contribution you're making to the struggle against sexual violence , sharing news articles on a sparsely populated forum, whipping up the old "Arab and African = sexual predation" fears amongst the population of the Atlas Forum. I'm sure the Austrian police are grateful.  

Now, continue bragging about your sexual exploits when a woman on Atlas shows up...


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on August 02, 2017, 07:54:59 am
"Tender never reports about white criminals" ...

http://noe.orf.at/news/stories/2858137

Over the weekend, a 25-year old woman was abducted in a truck and raped for hours near a lake (where she went swimming) in a wooded area in Lower Austria. The suspect is a 45-year old man (with or without migration background still unknown).

The question is how you believe this to be somehow essential to Austrian and International political discussion, rather than "faits divers" outliers regularly used by populists on both sides to push a far more wide reaching agenda.

"Outliers" ?!?

There have been too many "outliers" in the past years IMO, resulting from the failed immigration policy by Merkel and Co.

Merkel and co are responsible how exactly? Do they have a crystal ball to determine when a migrant is a rapist and when they are not?  

Quote
Several thousand women in Europe would be un-raped now, if the Arab and African rapists and killers were kept out instead.

But that's what you ultra-leftists like to do: play these "unique" crime cases down, trivialise them and accept it as "the new normal in Europe".

Strawman. And an attempt to politicise rape. For me it shouldn't be a political issue. As soon as you commit it you should be imprisoned for a considerable amount of time in accordance with the law, or in the case of an asylum seeker, deported. We know the legal avenues for deportation are blocked due to the burning of passports though.

Could you source "ultra-leftist" parties saying crime should be the new normal in Europe? Maybe start local, like the "ultra-leftist" party you last voted for...

Quote
Not with me. I will always take a stand against these fu**ers and will report on their crimes and how the ultra-left tries to ignore them to the disadvantage of the victims, who are suffering for the rest of their lives (just because some elites decided to let people in who shouldn't be here)  ... !

Well done, Tender, what a massive contribution you're making to the struggle against sexual violence , sharing news articles on a sparsely populated forum, whipping up the old "Arab and African = sexual predation" fears amongst the population of the Atlas Forum. I'm sure the Austrian police are grateful.  

Now, continue bragging about your sexual exploits when a woman on Atlas shows up...

Oh man ... you don't get it.

Of course Merkel and Co. could have prevented it, by sending a clear signal back in 2015 already that these people do not belong here. And of course the rapes and killings that followed are connected to politics. But yeah, you don't get it and probably never will.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Austere Religious Scholar on August 02, 2017, 08:01:33 am
Let thousands of perfectly innocent people die and suffer in their war-torn countries to make sure one in a thousand, who might be a rapist, won't get it. Collective responsibility rules.

Tender, what is your solution?


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on August 02, 2017, 08:13:05 am
Let thousands of perfectly innocent people die and suffer in their war-torn countries to make sure one in a thousand, who might be a rapist, won't get it. Collective responsibility rules.

Tender, what is your solution?

I have posted about this for the past 2 years !

In short again: These masses of people have no right whatsoever to pick and choose the country that in their opinion should take them up as refugees. The UN refugee document clearly says that people who flee can seek refuge in their neighbouring countries, but not pick and choose where to go. Austria, Germany, Sweden are not the neighbouring countries of Syria and Iraq and - for the next decades to come - Africa.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Zinneke on August 02, 2017, 10:20:13 am
"Tender never reports about white criminals" ...

http://noe.orf.at/news/stories/2858137

Over the weekend, a 25-year old woman was abducted in a truck and raped for hours near a lake (where she went swimming) in a wooded area in Lower Austria. The suspect is a 45-year old man (with or without migration background still unknown).

The question is how you believe this to be somehow essential to Austrian and International political discussion, rather than "faits divers" outliers regularly used by populists on both sides to push a far more wide reaching agenda.

"Outliers" ?!?

There have been too many "outliers" in the past years IMO, resulting from the failed immigration policy by Merkel and Co.

Merkel and co are responsible how exactly? Do they have a crystal ball to determine when a migrant is a rapist and when they are not?  

Quote
Several thousand women in Europe would be un-raped now, if the Arab and African rapists and killers were kept out instead.

But that's what you ultra-leftists like to do: play these "unique" crime cases down, trivialise them and accept it as "the new normal in Europe".

Strawman. And an attempt to politicise rape. For me it shouldn't be a political issue. As soon as you commit it you should be imprisoned for a considerable amount of time in accordance with the law, or in the case of an asylum seeker, deported. We know the legal avenues for deportation are blocked due to the burning of passports though.

Could you source "ultra-leftist" parties saying crime should be the new normal in Europe? Maybe start local, like the "ultra-leftist" party you last voted for...

Quote
Not with me. I will always take a stand against these fu**ers and will report on their crimes and how the ultra-left tries to ignore them to the disadvantage of the victims, who are suffering for the rest of their lives (just because some elites decided to let people in who shouldn't be here)  ... !

Well done, Tender, what a massive contribution you're making to the struggle against sexual violence , sharing news articles on a sparsely populated forum, whipping up the old "Arab and African = sexual predation" fears amongst the population of the Atlas Forum. I'm sure the Austrian police are grateful.  

Now, continue bragging about your sexual exploits when a woman on Atlas shows up...

Oh man ... you don't get it.

Of course Merkel and Co. could have prevented it, by sending a clear signal back in 2015 already that these people do not belong here. And of course the rapes and killings that followed are connected to politics. But yeah, you don't get it and probably never will.

Effortless superiority argument to shut the debate down.

As for your solution, we have seen how Syrian refugees and economic migrants alike have been treated in transit countries. In Turkey they started sending them to us. In Libya the people profit from the transit. In what way keeping a million refugees in these countries or in Hungary twiddling their thumbs doing f all helps them or us? Or do you want to further distance them from civil society?

Merkel and other political leaders expected the rest of Europe to take their share, and while Hungary does have a convincing argument (their lack of responsibility for the crisis) the likes of France and the UK should do their fare share given it was their grand schemes in MENA that led us here in the first place.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Austere Religious Scholar on August 02, 2017, 01:15:44 pm
Let thousands of perfectly innocent people die and suffer in their war-torn countries to make sure one in a thousand, who might be a rapist, won't get it. Collective responsibility rules.

Tender, what is your solution?

I have posted about this for the past 2 years !

In short again: These masses of people have no right whatsoever to pick and choose the country that in their opinion should take them up as refugees. The UN refugee document clearly says that people who flee can seek refuge in their neighbouring countries, but not pick and choose where to go. Austria, Germany, Sweden are not the neighbouring countries of Syria and Iraq and - for the next decades to come - Africa.

Right, because neighbourhooding countries welcomes them with bread and salt. And there's no conflicts there, for sure.

Oh, also we're living in the ideal world where all it takes for the UN to enforce its will is to say a word.

Just admit already most of your opposition here steams from these refugees being Muslims.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on August 03, 2017, 01:55:57 am
Here's a list of the "unique migrant crime cases" in Austria from just last week:

2 young women have been sexually assaulted yesterday by a 17-year old Syrian at a swimming pool in Vienna. He grabbed them by the pussy, according to newspaper reports.

http://diepresse.com/home/panorama/wien/5262510/Zwei-Frauen-in-Wiener-Freibad-sexuell-belaestigt

And in Innsbruck, a "foreign looking man" punched and raped a 27-year old woman.

http://tirol.orf.at/news/stories/2858420

Here in Zell am See, a 14-year old Syrian wanted to steal the bike of a Czech tourist.

http://www.regionews.at/newsdetail/Zell_am_See_14_jaehriger_Syrer_wollte_Fahrrad_stehlen-155413

In Imst (Tyrol), a 26-year old Syrian attacked a 20-year old with a knife.

http://www.regionews.at/newsdetail/Imst_Syrer_(26)_ging_mit_Messer_auf_anderen_(20)_los_verhaftet-155316

An 18-year old was brutally beaten up by a gang of 10 Chechens in Vienna - for 30€.

https://kurier.at/chronik/wien/wien-18-jaehriger-von-jugendgang-maltraetiert-30-euro-beute/278.380.282

A 21-year old Syrian chased a 10-year old boy with a gun and then attacked a driver, leading to a SWAT-operation. The Syrian said "it was only a game".

http://www.krone.at/oesterreich/syrer-21-mit-pistole-sorgt-fuer-polizeieinsatz-nur-ein-spiel-story-581522


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on September 02, 2017, 01:57:37 am
New 2016 crime numbers about rapes in Austria show that rapes committed by foreigners have increased by 70% between 2014 and 2016:

http://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/Sex-Attacken-von-Auslaendern-Plus-70-Prozent/297434942

There were a total of 5.200 rapes last year, of which 1.600 were committed by foreigners.

Roughly 1/3 (despite foreigners representing only 14% of the population).

As I've posted before, Afghans, Pakistanis, Iraqis and North Africans are even bigger rapists - relative to their small size of the population.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Ye Olde Europe on September 02, 2017, 10:58:25 am
Let thousands of perfectly innocent people die and suffer in their war-torn countries to make sure one in a thousand, who might be a rapist, won't get it. Collective responsibility rules.

Tender, what is your solution?

I have posted about this for the past 2 years !

In short again: These masses of people have no right whatsoever to pick and choose the country that in their opinion should take them up as refugees. The UN refugee document clearly says that people who flee can seek refuge in their neighbouring countries, but not pick and choose where to go. Austria, Germany, Sweden are not the neighbouring countries of Syria and Iraq and - for the next decades to come - Africa.

Well, the majority of Syrian war refugess are in fact still located in Turkey, Lebanon, and Jordan. For instance, it is estimated that 25-30% of the total population of Lebanon currently consist of refugees from the Syrian Civil War.... which certainly puts a lot of strain on a country with the per capita GDP of Mexico. (For comparison: Refugees make up less than 2% of Germany's population.)


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: THE BuckeyeNut on September 02, 2017, 11:56:54 am
The next time a foreign white person asks me "why are Americans so racist?" I will point them here.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on September 02, 2017, 12:04:59 pm
The next time a foreign white person asks me "why are Americans so racist?" I will point them here.

Don't be ridiculous.

Since when are rapists from the Middle East or North Africa a "race" ?

Apparently, you do not understand the term "racism". I do not want Blacks out from Europe or Austria, or Muslims out in general. I want the disgusting radical and criminal elements out that came in the past few years.

But it seems immigrant crime is tolerable or defendable for you. A sickness of the extreme left.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Ye Olde Europe on September 02, 2017, 12:18:41 pm
If we're now applying the concept of "collective responsibility" of entire peoples or groups of people we must apply it thorougly and without exception. Everything else would ammount to hypocrisy. So, let's talk about the Austrians then.


According to this article, Austria - along with Italy - was the only country in the world who has conducted arms exports to Syria in the period between 2005 and 2009:
http://www.tt.com/home/3602340-91/amnesty-kritisiert-%C3%B6sterreichische-waffenexporte.csp

Thus it is probably not surprising that Austrian-manufactured weapons from companies like Steyr, Glock, and others are reportedly very common and popular among both Syrian rebels and ISIS fighters:
https://kurier.at/politik/inland/oesterreichische-waffen-bei-is-offenbar-beliebt/165.242.271
https://www.profil.at/ausland/syrien-im-kriegsgebiet-oesterreichische-waffen-im-einsatz-5585056

There's apparently also some spillover to the neighbouring Iraq where documented war crimes have been committed with Austrian-manufactured weapons:
https://kurier.at/politik/ausland/amnesty-international-bericht-irak-milizen-begehen-kriegsverbrechen-mit-oesterreichischen-waffen/239.294.860

Austria is of course also exporting weapons to other countries in the region such as Saudia Arabia, Qatar, and the United Arab Emirates:
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/oesterreich-waffenexport-an-die-vereinigten-arabischen-emirate-a-1080555.html
http://derstandard.at/2000029272616/Wie-viele-Waffen-Oesterreich-nach-Saudi-Arabien-lieferte

Austrian weapons which were sold to the UAE where then put to use in 2015 in the Yemeni Civil War:
http://diepresse.com/home/ausland/aussenpolitik/4927976/Oesterreichische-Waffen-fuer-Buergerkrieg-im-Jemen


So, what has Tender, as a Austrian, done so far to prevent this or take responsiblity for this?


[Since I'm aware that Germany as a major weapons manufcaturing and exporting country is at best only marginally less guilty then Austria (well, at least we didn't seem to sell arms to Syria on the eve of their civil war), let me assure you that I tried to pay the bill by donating to refugee relief, both in Germany and in the Levant. In 2013, I also happened to volunteer for the re-election campaign of arguably one of the most outspoken opponent of arms exports in this country. I don't mean to brag about this... it's just can't stand "desk activists" who do nothing but complain about the state of the world and their country (and at worst, spew racist hatred on the Internet), but don't actually do anything meaningful or worthwhile about it.]


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on September 02, 2017, 12:54:13 pm
Old Europe, if you would have read my post just above yours, you'd see that it's not about collective responsibility ...

"So, what has Tender, as an Austrian, done so far to prevent this or take responsiblity for this?"

I voted for the Greens during 2005-2009, who were against the arms exports. Besides, I'm against the arms exports now as well.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on September 18, 2017, 12:41:11 pm
A 14-year old Afghan girl has been killed today in Vienna by her 18-year old brother, who stabbed her several times.

The girl, who wanted to lead a western life, moved out of the conservative family home and environment recently and was living in a youth centre. Her brother stalked her and then killed her in an alley.

http://derstandard.at/2000064219188/14-Jaehrige-in-Wien-Favoriten-mit-mehreren-Messerstichen-getoetet


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on September 18, 2017, 02:06:15 pm
A 14-year old Afghan girl has been killed today in Vienna by her 18-year old brother, who stabbed her several times.

The girl, who wanted to lead a western life, moved out of the conservative family home and environment recently and was living in a youth centre. Her brother stalked her and then killed her in an alley.

http://derstandard.at/2000064219188/14-Jaehrige-in-Wien-Favoriten-mit-mehreren-Messerstichen-getoetet

Meanwhile, he confessed the honour-killing to police and told them: "It's good that she's dead."

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And in Vorarlberg: A Turkish man kills his wife and 2 small daughters (4 and 7 years old), by stabbing them to death and cutting their throats when they slept. He then jumped out of the window and died. The woman wanted to divorce and a court banned the Turk from entering the woman's apartment, which he ignored.

http://vorarlberg.orf.at/news/stories/2866480


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on October 29, 2017, 07:16:21 am
There was a shooting today in rural Styria:

A 66-year old Austrian man shot and killed 2 neighbours with a rifle and severely wounded a third neighbour.

The man is described as extremely paranoid and suffering from persecutional mania (having many problems with local authorities, neighbours and courts).

Police are currently searching for the man and his vehicle:

(Image Link)

http://www.kleinezeitung.at/steiermark/5311105/Wir-berichten-live_Schiesserei-in-Stiwoll_Zwei-Tote-Taeter


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on October 29, 2017, 07:23:16 am
The perpetrator is officially a right-wing extremist:

(Image Link)

"Left = dangerous !"

The man was at meetings of extreme right-wing groups, drove around in a van with "Heil Hitler" on it (see above) and had a blog in which he attacked courts and other institutions.

http://www.kleinezeitung.at/steiermark/graz/5041570/Rechtsextremismus_Was-treibt-den-Fahrer-des-Heil-HitlerAutos-an


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on October 29, 2017, 12:00:57 pm
The perpetrator is still on the run and police are looking for him in the whole Schengen-area.

Btw: A weapons ban was active against the man, but he took the rifle of his wife (who's a hunter).

His children also requested guardianship for the man at the courts a few days ago, which might have been a reason for the killings as well (he hates the courts).


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on October 31, 2017, 12:13:15 pm
Suspect still hasn't been arrested.

Not a funny Halloween today for the people of Western Styria: a Neo-Nazi double killer with a rifle is roaming through the area. I guess not many people are opening their doors tonight ...


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on November 03, 2017, 06:27:19 am
The Nazi killer was apparently spotted today in Thal near Graz, the birth town of Arnold Schwarzenegger.

The killer's wife was at a hunting area there a few times.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on November 27, 2017, 06:17:35 am
A Syrian has killed his wife today in Vienna and is on the run with the 4 small kids:

http://wien.orf.at/m/news/stories/2880588


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Austere Religious Scholar on November 27, 2017, 05:59:22 pm
Suspect still hasn't been arrested.

Not a funny Halloween today for the people of Western Styria: a Neo-Nazi double killer with a rifle is roaming through the area. I guess not many people are opening their doors tonight ...

I see FPÖ didn't wait to reach a formal coalition agreement before going to celebrate outdoors.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on December 22, 2017, 01:11:45 pm
2 more disgusting immigrant crimes in the last days (one of them in my district):

* Here in Zell am See district, an Iraqi asylum seeker has stabbed and killed a Pakistani asylum seeker and severely wounded another yesterday.

https://kurier.at/chronik/oesterreich/toedlicher-konflikt-in-fluechtlingsunterkunft-im-pinzgau/303.254.606

* In Krems (Lower Austria), an 18-year old Afghan asylum seeker has raped a young woman on the way home from a Christmas market and broke her nose as well. He was arrested after DNA-tests confirmed he was the rapist.

https://kurier.at/chronik/niederoesterreich/hadersdorf-am-kamp-vergewaltigung-geklaert-verdaechtiger-in-haft/303.293.333


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Austere Religious Scholar on December 23, 2017, 06:28:38 pm
2 more disgusting immigrant crimes in the last days (one of them in my district):

* Here in Zell am See district, an Iraqi asylum seeker has stabbed and killed a Pakistani asylum seeker and severely wounded another yesterday.


Shouldn't you be happy those pesky immigrants are taking care of each other?


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on December 25, 2017, 02:03:14 am
2 more disgusting immigrant crimes in the last days (one of them in my district):

* Here in Zell am See district, an Iraqi asylum seeker has stabbed and killed a Pakistani asylum seeker and severely wounded another yesterday.


Shouldn't you be happy those pesky immigrants are taking care of each other?

No, I just want 3 things:

* No further immigration from culture-hostile radical Muslim regions (Africa, Middle-East) - but have no problems with limited immigration of very liberal Muslims.

* Swift deportation of criminal immigrants and asylum seekers who abuse their host country.

* Somewhat integrate the asylum seekers that are already here to make sure they are not turning into criminals, which means community work for them and learning the Austrian way of life (this is also good for their lives and re-building their wrecked countries later on when they return home). Considering Iraq, Syria etc. are virtually 95% safe again, these people who arrived in the last 3 years should now be deported again to their countries of origin. Asylum is not for always, but only for a limited time.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: dead0man on December 25, 2017, 05:39:07 am
It clearly doesn't matter how often you explain yourself to the knucklehead, he's never going to get it.



(ahhh, feels good to know my post won't be deleted too)


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: Tender Branson on December 29, 2017, 12:32:14 am
Another year is over and Vienna had 17 murders this year (a rate of 0.9/100.000 people).

Compared with Philly (315 murders so far), the rate is 20/100.000.


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on December 29, 2017, 12:37:19 am
Another year is over and Vienna had 17 murders this year (a rate of 0.9/100.000 people).

Compared with Philly (315 murders so far), the rate is 20/100.000.

Those new Syrian refugees must be busy not murdering each other.


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: Tender Branson on December 29, 2017, 12:45:22 am
Another year is over and Vienna had 17 murders this year (a rate of 0.9/100.000 people).

Compared with Philly (315 murders so far), the rate is 20/100.000.

Those new Syrian refugees must be busy not murdering each other.

Once again, you are misinterpreting these numbers:

We have imported additional crimes by allowing this uncontrolled mass immigration to happen.

Crimes that would have otherwise not happened. Many young Austrian/German/Swedish etc. women would be unraped now and many people would not be dead now or beaten up.


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: Ye Olde Europe on December 29, 2017, 06:07:44 am
Another year is over and Vienna had 17 murders this year (a rate of 0.9/100.000 people).

Compared with Philly (315 murders so far), the rate is 20/100.000.

Those new Syrian refugees must be busy not murdering each other.

Once again, you are misinterpreting these numbers:

We have imported additional crimes by allowing this uncontrolled mass immigration to happen.

Crimes that would have otherwise not happened. Many young Austrian/German/Swedish etc. women would be unraped now and many people would not be dead now or beaten up.

Apart from Donald Trump's latest "let's mock the climate change" tweet, this is literally the dumbest thing I had to read all week. I feel like Tender owes me money as compensation for having to endure reading this post.


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: Tender Branson on December 29, 2017, 06:31:10 am
Another year is over and Vienna had 17 murders this year (a rate of 0.9/100.000 people).

Compared with Philly (315 murders so far), the rate is 20/100.000.

Those new Syrian refugees must be busy not murdering each other.

Once again, you are misinterpreting these numbers:

We have imported additional crimes by allowing this uncontrolled mass immigration to happen.

Crimes that would have otherwise not happened. Many young Austrian/German/Swedish etc. women would be unraped now and many people would not be dead now or beaten up.

Apart from Donald Trump's latest "let's mock the climate change" tweet, this is literally the dumbest thing I had to read all week. I feel like Tender owes me money as compensation for having to endure reading this post.

Trump's tweet was in fact dumb, as he cannot differentiate between "weather" and "climate".

My post on the other hand is the plain truth (and even more so because you cannot bring up an argument against it). The naive, extremist left is basically bankrupt when you bring up common-sense arguments like mine above.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on December 29, 2017, 06:50:34 am
A new "unique case" shocks Germany:

http://www.dw.com/en/afghan-teen-in-custody-over-fatal-stabbing-of-german-girl/a-41960451

The case involves a "15-year-old" refugee from Afghanistan (his age is meanwhile questioned because he looks more like 25) who abused the hospitality of his guest family, preyed on their daughter and when she refused a relationship with him, he stabbed the 15-year old German girl to death in a drugstore.

This adds another family who got destroyed by Merkel's disgusting mass immigration policy. And more and more blood is dripping down from her hands ...


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: DavidB. on December 29, 2017, 06:58:08 am
Once again, you are misinterpreting these numbers:

We have imported additional crimes by allowing this uncontrolled mass immigration to happen.

Crimes that would have otherwise not happened. Many young Austrian/German/Swedish etc. women would be unraped now and many people would not be dead now or beaten up.

Apart from Donald Trump's latest "let's mock the climate change" tweet, this is literally the dumbest thing I had to read all week. I feel like Tender owes me money as compensation for having to endure reading this post.
"If we would not have taken in as many refugees, there would be fewer instances where refugees raped women or killed people" sounds like basic logic to me, but okay.


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: Ye Olde Europe on December 29, 2017, 07:21:36 am
Another year is over and Vienna had 17 murders this year (a rate of 0.9/100.000 people).

Compared with Philly (315 murders so far), the rate is 20/100.000.

Those new Syrian refugees must be busy not murdering each other.

Once again, you are misinterpreting these numbers:

We have imported additional crimes by allowing this uncontrolled mass immigration to happen.

Crimes that would have otherwise not happened. Many young Austrian/German/Swedish etc. women would be unraped now and many people would not be dead now or beaten up.

Apart from Donald Trump's latest "let's mock the climate change" tweet, this is literally the dumbest thing I had to read all week. I feel like Tender owes me money as compensation for having to endure reading this post.

Trump's tweet was in fact dumb, as he cannot differentiate between "weather" and "climate".

My post on the other hand is the plain truth (and even more so because you cannot bring up an argument against it). The naive, extremist left is basically bankrupt when you bring up common-sense arguments like mine above.

There's something missing from that post and that's my compensation.

You need to do better than that.


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: Lord Halifax on December 29, 2017, 08:17:02 am
Another year is over and Vienna had 17 murders this year (a rate of 0.9/100.000 people).

Compared with Philly (315 murders so far), the rate is 20/100.000.

Those new Syrian refugees must be busy not murdering each other.

Once again, you are misinterpreting these numbers:

We have imported additional crimes by allowing this uncontrolled mass immigration to happen.

Crimes that would have otherwise not happened. Many young Austrian/German/Swedish etc. women would be unraped now and many people would not be dead now or beaten up.

Apart from Donald Trump's latest "let's mock the climate change" tweet, this is literally the dumbest thing I had to read all week. I feel like Tender owes me money as compensation for having to endure reading this post.

Why is that dumb? Crime in any society increases with a higher share of young males, if those young males come from violent societies and disproportionally have been through traumatic events this will significantly increase the effect.


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: Ye Olde Europe on December 29, 2017, 09:00:19 am
Another year is over and Vienna had 17 murders this year (a rate of 0.9/100.000 people).

Compared with Philly (315 murders so far), the rate is 20/100.000.

Those new Syrian refugees must be busy not murdering each other.

Once again, you are misinterpreting these numbers:

We have imported additional crimes by allowing this uncontrolled mass immigration to happen.

Crimes that would have otherwise not happened. Many young Austrian/German/Swedish etc. women would be unraped now and many people would not be dead now or beaten up.

Apart from Donald Trump's latest "let's mock the climate change" tweet, this is literally the dumbest thing I had to read all week. I feel like Tender owes me money as compensation for having to endure reading this post.

Why is that dumb? Crime in any society increases with a higher share of young males, if those young males come from violent societies and disproportionally have been through traumatic events this will significantly increase the effect.

Because migrants commit crimes against non-migrants. Non-migrants commit crimes against migrants. Migrants commit crimes against other migrants. And non-migrants commit crimes against other non-migrants. The idea that you can calculate some kind of balance sheet where you put the pure "migrant perpetrator"/"non-migrant victim" ratio against the pure "non-migrant perpetrator"/"migrant victim" ratio while completely deducting the migrant-against-migrant crimes and non-migrant-against-non-migrant crimes so in the end you have a pure net balance which shows which group has "scored" higher against the other group is simply preposterous and also intellectually offensive. It also happens to be racist thinking, because among other things it inevitably places higher value on a non-migrant victim of a crime than a migrant victim.

Also... migrants who have comitted a crime in Austria may have comitted the same crime had they been someplace else. Or maybe they wouldn't have, since crimes often depend on the exact circumstances of where, when, and why. Maybe a migrant who's now in Austria and has never committed a crime, would have a committed a crime if he had ended up in Germany instead. And if we follow that thinking further, a migrant who has committed a crime in Vienna now may have never committed that crime had he been in Salzburg instead. And a crime that was committed by a Austrian in, let's say, South Africa, may or may not have committed as well had he stayed in Austria.

So, what's the point of all this?

Also, the phrase "many young  women would be unraped now" makes my brain hurt.


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: GMantis on December 29, 2017, 09:59:24 am
Another year is over and Vienna had 17 murders this year (a rate of 0.9/100.000 people).

Compared with Philly (315 murders so far), the rate is 20/100.000.

Those new Syrian refugees must be busy not murdering each other.

Once again, you are misinterpreting these numbers:

We have imported additional crimes by allowing this uncontrolled mass immigration to happen.

Crimes that would have otherwise not happened. Many young Austrian/German/Swedish etc. women would be unraped now and many people would not be dead now or beaten up.

Apart from Donald Trump's latest "let's mock the climate change" tweet, this is literally the dumbest thing I had to read all week. I feel like Tender owes me money as compensation for having to endure reading this post.

Why is that dumb? Crime in any society increases with a higher share of young males, if those young males come from violent societies and disproportionally have been through traumatic events this will significantly increase the effect.

Because migrants commit crimes against non-migrants. Non-migrants commit crimes against migrants. Migrants commit crimes against other migrants. And non-migrants commit crimes against other non-migrants. The idea that you can calculate some kind of balance sheet where you put the pure "migrant perpetrator"/"non-migrant victim" ratio against the pure "non-migrant perpetrator"/"migrant victim" ratio while completely deducting the migrant-against-migrant crimes and non-migrant-against-non-migrant crimes so in the end you have a pure net balance which shows which group has "scored" higher against the other group is simply preposterous and also intellectually offensive. It also happens to be racist thinking, because among other things it inevitably places higher value on a non-migrant victim of a crime than a migrant victim.
Of course you can calculate those ratios, while deducting committed crime within the two groups. The information exists and the rest is basic arithmetic. The problem is that some people don't want to make these results because they are afraid of the results.

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Also... migrants who have comitted a crime in Austria may have comitted the same crime had they been someplace else.
And from the point of view of Austria this is preferable. No country can be expected to show the same kind of interest in its own security than that of the world as a whole.





Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: GMantis on December 29, 2017, 10:00:26 am
Another year is over and Vienna had 17 murders this year (a rate of 0.9/100.000 people).

Compared with Philly (315 murders so far), the rate is 20/100.000.

Those new Syrian refugees must be busy not murdering each other.

Once again, you are misinterpreting these numbers:

We have imported additional crimes by allowing this uncontrolled mass immigration to happen.

Crimes that would have otherwise not happened. Many young Austrian/German/Swedish etc. women would be unraped now and many people would not be dead now or beaten up.

Apart from Donald Trump's latest "let's mock the climate change" tweet, this is literally the dumbest thing I had to read all week. I feel like Tender owes me money as compensation for having to endure reading this post.

Why is that dumb? Crime in any society increases with a higher share of young males, if those young males come from violent societies and disproportionally have been through traumatic events this will significantly increase the effect.

Because migrants commit crimes against non-migrants. Non-migrants commit crimes against migrants. Migrants commit crimes against other migrants. And non-migrants commit crimes against other non-migrants. The idea that you can calculate some kind of balance sheet where you put the pure "migrant perpetrator"/"non-migrant victim" ratio against the pure "non-migrant perpetrator"/"migrant victim" ratio while completely deducting the migrant-against-migrant crimes and non-migrant-against-non-migrant crimes so in the end you have a pure net balance which shows which group has "scored" higher against the other group is simply preposterous and also intellectually offensive. It also happens to be racist thinking, because among other things it inevitably places higher value on a non-migrant victim of a crime than a migrant victim.
Of course you can calculate those ratios, while deducting committed crime within the two groups. The information exists and the rest is basic arithmetic. The problem is that some people don't want to make these  calculations because they are afraid of the results that will show up.

Quote
Also... migrants who have comitted a crime in Austria may have comitted the same crime had they been someplace else.
And from the point of view of Austria this is preferable. No country can be expected to show the same kind of interest in its own security than that of the world as a whole.






Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: Lord Halifax on December 29, 2017, 01:29:00 pm
Another year is over and Vienna had 17 murders this year (a rate of 0.9/100.000 people).

Compared with Philly (315 murders so far), the rate is 20/100.000.

Those new Syrian refugees must be busy not murdering each other.

Once again, you are misinterpreting these numbers:

We have imported additional crimes by allowing this uncontrolled mass immigration to happen.

Crimes that would have otherwise not happened. Many young Austrian/German/Swedish etc. women would be unraped now and many people would not be dead now or beaten up.

Apart from Donald Trump's latest "let's mock the climate change" tweet, this is literally the dumbest thing I had to read all week. I feel like Tender owes me money as compensation for having to endure reading this post.

Why is that dumb? Crime in any society increases with a higher share of young males, if those young males come from violent societies and disproportionally have been through traumatic events this will significantly increase the effect.

Because migrants commit crimes against non-migrants. Non-migrants commit crimes against migrants. Migrants commit crimes against other migrants. And non-migrants commit crimes against other non-migrants. The idea that you can calculate some kind of balance sheet where you put the pure "migrant perpetrator"/"non-migrant victim" ratio against the pure "non-migrant perpetrator"/"migrant victim" ratio while completely deducting the migrant-against-migrant crimes and non-migrant-against-non-migrant crimes so in the end you have a pure net balance which shows which group has "scored" higher against the other group is simply preposterous and also intellectually offensive. It also happens to be racist thinking, because among other things it inevitably places higher value on a non-migrant victim of a crime than a migrant victim.

Also... migrants who have comitted a crime in Austria may have comitted the same crime had they been someplace else. Or maybe they wouldn't have, since crimes often depend on the exact circumstances of where, when, and why. Maybe a migrant who's now in Austria and has never committed a crime, would have a committed a crime if he had ended up in Germany instead. And if we follow that thinking further, a migrant who has committed a crime in Vienna now may have never committed that crime had he been in Salzburg instead. And a crime that was committed by a Austrian in, let's say, South Africa, may or may not have committed as well had he stayed in Austria.

So, what's the point of all this?

Also, the phrase "many young  women would be unraped now" makes my brain hurt.

You are unnecessarily complicating something quite simple. You do not need to include all those factors to access this. A government is primarily obliged to protect its own citizens, so the relevant question is "does inviting large numbers of young males from countries with a high degree of violence, and who are often traumatized, increase the risk for your citizens?". The answer to that question is fairly obvious.

Young males are always the most criminal group in any society, so increasing their number inevitably makes society more violent (this is of course not to say that young men do not contribute positively in other ways), this gets significantly worse if the male/female ratio is skewed among the younger generations (though only if there are more young men than young women, the opposite doesn't increase the level of overall violence). Men who grew up in a violent environment become more violent than those who didn't. All these effects are well documented.


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: Zinneke on December 29, 2017, 01:43:37 pm
Another year is over and Vienna had 17 murders this year (a rate of 0.9/100.000 people).

Compared with Philly (315 murders so far), the rate is 20/100.000.

Those new Syrian refugees must be busy not murdering each other.

Once again, you are misinterpreting these numbers:

We have imported additional crimes by allowing this uncontrolled mass immigration to happen.

Crimes that would have otherwise not happened. Many young Austrian/German/Swedish etc. women would be unraped now and many people would not be dead now or beaten up.

Apart from Donald Trump's latest "let's mock the climate change" tweet, this is literally the dumbest thing I had to read all week. I feel like Tender owes me money as compensation for having to endure reading this post.

Why is that dumb? Crime in any society increases with a higher share of young males, if those young males come from violent societies and disproportionally have been through traumatic events this will significantly increase the effect.

Because migrants commit crimes against non-migrants. Non-migrants commit crimes against migrants. Migrants commit crimes against other migrants. And non-migrants commit crimes against other non-migrants. The idea that you can calculate some kind of balance sheet where you put the pure "migrant perpetrator"/"non-migrant victim" ratio against the pure "non-migrant perpetrator"/"migrant victim" ratio while completely deducting the migrant-against-migrant crimes and non-migrant-against-non-migrant crimes so in the end you have a pure net balance which shows which group has "scored" higher against the other group is simply preposterous and also intellectually offensive. It also happens to be racist thinking, because among other things it inevitably places higher value on a non-migrant victim of a crime than a migrant victim.

Also... migrants who have comitted a crime in Austria may have comitted the same crime had they been someplace else. Or maybe they wouldn't have, since crimes often depend on the exact circumstances of where, when, and why. Maybe a migrant who's now in Austria and has never committed a crime, would have a committed a crime if he had ended up in Germany instead. And if we follow that thinking further, a migrant who has committed a crime in Vienna now may have never committed that crime had he been in Salzburg instead. And a crime that was committed by a Austrian in, let's say, South Africa, may or may not have committed as well had he stayed in Austria.

So, what's the point of all this?

Also, the phrase "many young  women would be unraped now" makes my brain hurt.
A government is primarily obliged to protect its own citizens,

And it does so by upholding international LOAC and Human Rights norms, including the acceptance of refugees, because despite how safe you think the West is, one day you, your family or your descendants may have to apply for refugee status.  

Respect for the rule of law and the international legal norms we have established is part of what makes our success. We also have procedures to change it if the laws are outdated. The Dublin agreement on refugees for example is clearly outdated when handling the middle corridor between Libya and Italy.

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so the relevant question is "does inviting large numbers of young males from countries with a high degree of violence, and who are often traumatized, increase the risk for your citizens?".

Regardless of the fact that pre-emptive judgement and especially action of what an individual you know virtually nothing is something out of Minority Report, this is a massive caricature.



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The answer to that question is fairly obvious.

Young males are always the most criminal group in any society, so increasing their number inevitably makes society more violent (this is of course not to say that young men do not contribute positively in other ways), this gets significantly worse if the male/female ratio is skewed among the younger generations (though only if there are more young men than young women, the opposite doesn't increase the level of overall violence). Men who grew up in a violent environment become more violent than those who didn't. All these effects are well documented.

That does not mean that the young male fleeing from war or dictatorship who isn't any of the things you listed above, is somehow not entitled to the same opportunities you would have if you were subject to such conditions.

And btw, Brussels also recorded its lowest murder rate since WW2 Tender. 2nd rate European capitals FTW


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: parochial boy on December 29, 2017, 02:39:39 pm
The stats that tender posted seem to indicate a low and static crime rate (a brut increase of two murders is hardly a trend), and even if a straight out majority of murders were committed by foreigners, they would still have a murder rate well below any comparable US city


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: Tender Branson on December 29, 2017, 02:45:46 pm
The stats that tender posted seem to indicate a low and static crime rate (a brut increase of two murders is hardly a trend), and even if a straight out majority of murders were committed by foreigners, they would still have a murder rate well below any comparable US city

This is true ... for murder.

But even there, 50% of murders are meanwhile committed by foreigners (their share in the population is 16%).

For other major crimes - such as rape, grevious bodily injury and drug-offences - which, on a per-capita-basis are similarly high when compared to other countries and the US - it matters when 50% are committed by foreigners.

And the rate is even higher for asylum seekers: Of the rapes, 8% were committed by aslyum seekers (their share in the population is 1%).

Our prisons have 55% foreigners.

And, last but not least, I repeat my claim from above: If these people would not be here, our crime rate would be even lower and many people would be alive, unraped and not injured.


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: America's Sweetheart ❤/𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝕭𝖔𝖔𝖙𝖞 𝖂𝖆𝖗𝖗𝖎𝖔𝖗 on December 29, 2017, 07:47:48 pm
Another year is over and Vienna had 17 murders this year (a rate of 0.9/100.000 people).

Compared with Philly (315 murders so far), the rate is 20/100.000.

Those new Syrian refugees must be busy not murdering each other.

Once again, you are misinterpreting these numbers:

We have imported additional crimes by allowing this uncontrolled mass immigration to happen.

Crimes that would have otherwise not happened. Many young Austrian/German/Swedish etc. women would be unraped now and many people would not be dead now or beaten up.
Mr. Branson, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on December 30, 2017, 04:41:40 am
You are ridiculous. It's pretty clear that there'd be less crimes committed by immigrants if there are fewer of them here. But you are not a common-sense person it seems.

Anyway, thanks for merging the 2 threads as requested (to whoever did it).


Title: Re: Vienna murder count reaches all-time low in 2014
Post by: GMantis on January 01, 2018, 02:48:49 pm
Another year is over and Vienna had 17 murders this year (a rate of 0.9/100.000 people).

Compared with Philly (315 murders so far), the rate is 20/100.000.

Those new Syrian refugees must be busy not murdering each other.

Once again, you are misinterpreting these numbers:

We have imported additional crimes by allowing this uncontrolled mass immigration to happen.

Crimes that would have otherwise not happened. Many young Austrian/German/Swedish etc. women would be unraped now and many people would not be dead now or beaten up.
Mr. Branson, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Copying someone else's quote does not make you look smart, especially when unlike you the other person is using elementary logic.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on January 03, 2018, 03:48:34 am
Old Europe, please read today's article in the SPIEGEL:

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/gesellschaft/christian-pfeiffer-kriminologe-weist-mehr-gewaltkriminalitaet-durch-mehr-zuwanderer-nach-a-1185959.html

"More violent crimes committed because of more immigrants in the country."


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on January 03, 2018, 02:00:22 pm
Here's the English version:

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BERLIN — The recent influx of mostly young, male migrants into Germany has led to an increase in violent crime in the country, according to a government-funded study published Wednesday.

The study used figures from the northern state of Lower Saxony to examine the impact of refugee arrivals on crime in 2015 and 2016, a period when the number of violent crimes reported increased by 10.4 percent.

The authors concluded that 92 percent of the additional crimes recorded could be attributed to the increase in refugee numbers.

https://nypost.com/2018/01/03/young-male-migrants-fuel-rise-in-violence-in-germany-study-says

So much to the arguments of the naive "refugee welcome"-applauders ... ::)


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on January 04, 2018, 04:02:37 am
In Vienna, a 41-year old Serb has stabbed his wife to death, then strangled his 10-year old daughter (she survived, but died tonight) and then jumped out of the window onto the street, where he died as well.

http://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/wien/Familien-Drama-in-Wien-10-Jaehrige-tot/315696829


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on January 10, 2018, 06:10:19 am
A first glimpse on 2017 crime statistics was released today:

It seems that the overall number of crimes recorded dropped by about 5% from 540.000 cases to around 510.000 cases, yet violent crime remains at a high level.

While the number of Austrians who committed crimes decreased, the proportion of foreign criminals reached the highest level ever. Among all suspects, 40% are now foreigners (39% in 2016 and 28% in 2007).

The proportion of foreigners in the total population is 16%, so foreigners have of course a much higher likelihood of being criminal (50% of rapists in 2016 were foreigners, as were 50% of people in Austrian prisons).

Final figures for 2017 are out in March.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on January 10, 2018, 06:19:19 am
This is a very sad story:

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Austria: Woman suspected of suffocating baby son in hospital

http://wien.orf.at/news/stories/2888326

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/austria-woman-suspected-of-suffocating-baby-son-in-hospital/2018/01/06/455185cc-f2c7-11e7-95e3-eff284e71c8d_story.html

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It turned out that the woman had another child, a 4-year old girl, who told her mother that her grandfather (a former high ranking diplomat) sexually abused her over the Christmas holidays.

The mother and her 2 kids were admitted to hospital because of the psychological trauma, where the mother first killed her small son, then wanted to kill her daughter and then slit open her veins outside the hospital ... :(


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on February 01, 2018, 01:21:34 pm
Yesterday, the FPÖ-led Interior Ministry deported a Chechen IS-fighter back to Russia and 12 drug dealers and violent criminals back to Africa (11 to Nigeria and 1 to Ghana).

Good.

I hope Kickl increases the deportations from the 10.000 last year to around 30.000 this year. Austria needs to be cleansed from this criminal immigrant scum.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on March 12, 2018, 04:10:48 am
3 big stabbing cases recently in Vienna within the past few days:

* An illegal Afghan asylum seeker has tried to kill a family of 3 (a well-known dentist and implants specialist and their daughter) and a fellow Afghan in Vienna and injuring all of them seriously.

* An Algerian has tried to kill another Algerian with a stab in the heart and seriously injured him in Vienna

* An Egyptian has tried to kill a soldier in front of the Iranian embassy in Vienna tonight.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan on March 13, 2018, 12:05:35 pm
https://www.politico.eu/article/league-party-matteo-salvini-predicts-clear-out-of-mainstream-meps-italy-election/

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He also reiterated that with the League in power, “there will be fewer landings, and more expulsions,” of immigrants because “Europe can’t be reduced to a huge refugee camp.”

Salvini paid tribute to the right-wing populist Freedom Party of Austria for “what they have obtained in government in recent months,” and argued that Austria was “a model and a path to follow” for his party.  The party entered a government coalition in October of last year.


What actually FPO obtained in recent moths?


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on March 13, 2018, 12:17:22 pm
https://www.politico.eu/article/league-party-matteo-salvini-predicts-clear-out-of-mainstream-meps-italy-election/

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He also reiterated that with the League in power, “there will be fewer landings, and more expulsions,” of immigrants because “Europe can’t be reduced to a huge refugee camp.”

Salvini paid tribute to the right-wing populist Freedom Party of Austria for “what they have obtained in government in recent months,” and argued that Austria was “a model and a path to follow” for his party.  The party entered a government coalition in October of last year.


What actually FPO obtained in recent moths?

I assume Salvini is talking about the FPÖ becoming a government member, something that he also wants.

Not sure what he means by "obtained" ...

I think maybe the fact that the FPÖ are in charge of the Interior Ministry (police, deportations, intelligence services) and Defense (the Foreign Ministry is headed by an FPÖ-appointed Independent).

It seems likely that the Kickl/FPÖ-led Interior Ministry will speed up deportations this year (today, Kickl announced that asylum seekers who have become criminal and who have served prison sentences will be placed on deportation watch right after they have been released from prison to prevent more crimes in the meantime).

Maybe that's what Salvini is talking about.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan on March 13, 2018, 02:37:04 pm
It seems likely that the Kickl/FPÖ-led Interior Ministry will speed up deportations this year (today, Kickl announced that asylum seekers who have become criminal and who have served prison sentences will be placed on deportation watch right after they have been released from prison to prevent more crimes in the meantime).

Maybe that's what Salvini is talking about.


Thanks for the info.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on March 14, 2018, 12:46:15 pm
Things that happened today and yesterday:

* In front of parliament, an Afghan asylum seeker approached a police car. The police officer asked if he could help him, but the guy was opening the door of the car and tried to wrestle the police officer out of the car, just like that. The man got pepper-sprayed and arrested.

http://wien.orf.at/news/stories/2900807

* A mass-brawl and knife fight between 50-60 Afghans led to several arrests in Vienna near a nightclub.

https://derstandard.at/2000076129675/Grosser-Polizeieinsatz-nach-Schlaegerei-am-Wiener-Praterstern

* A 16-year old stabbed his 17-year old brother and seriously injured him (nationalities not yet known).

http://noe.orf.at/news/stories/2901188


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on March 18, 2018, 11:59:50 am
That's a typical Austrian story:

http://www.heute.at/oesterreich/wien/story/Mann-versteckte-sich-vor-Polizei---lebte-im-Keller-46961784

An Algerian man was facing deportation.

What did he do ?

He broke into the home of a family in Vienna and tried to hide from the deportation forces in the basement of the family. They caught him sleeping there and he was finally arrested by the deportation force.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Mopolis on March 20, 2018, 08:07:37 am
That's a typical Austrian story:

http://www.heute.at/oesterreich/wien/story/Mann-versteckte-sich-vor-Polizei---lebte-im-Keller-46961784

An Algerian man was facing deportation.

What did he do ?

He broke into the home of a family in Vienna and tried to hide from the deportation forces in the basement of the family. They caught him sleeping there and he was finally arrested by the deportation force.

I guess this would be the first time someone has ever broken into an Austrian person's basement...


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on March 22, 2018, 11:30:27 am
The 2017 Crime Report was presented today and the total number of crimes reported dropped to the lowest level in more than 10 years, while the clearance rate reached the highest level ever:

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Cybercrime and economy-related crimes increased by a lot, while burglaries and car theft cases dropped significantly.

Violent crime remained largely the same over the past 10 years, but stabbings increased 4 times over the past 10 years:

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Murders remain very low (54 cases, or a murder rate of 0.6/100.000 people, one of the lowest on the planet):

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40% of all perpetrators are foreigners (their share in the population is only 15%) and their number has doubled over the past 10 years:

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Sex-crimes spiked after the 2015 immigration wave (with 47% of sex-attackers being foreigners in 2016 and 40% in 2017):

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More than 20.000 asylum seekers were among the foreign criminals, meaning every 3rd (statistically-speaking) was a criminal last year.

http://bmi.gv.at/bmi_documents/2170.pdf


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on March 28, 2018, 02:42:59 pm
A 15-year old girl was brutally raped by 3 "dark-skinned" men with "foreign languages" in a wooded area in Lower Austria.

All 59 men in a nearby asylum seeker centre have been DNA-tested ...

https://kurier.at/chronik/niederoesterreich/15-jaehrige-in-tulln-vergewaltigt-erstmals-massen-dna-test-in-oestereich/264.211.550

In a verdict that is causing a HUGE outcry right now, 2 men (Somali and Afghan asylum seekers) who were charged with the rape, have been aquitted because 2 jury members didn't believe the girl.

And this despite sperm and DNA-evidence of the men were found on the victim. A 3rd suspect has even disappeared from the country alltogether ...

https://www.wienerzeitung.at/nachrichten/oesterreich/chronik/955374_Freisprueche-im-Zweifel-im-Prozess-um-Vergewaltigung.html

Unbelieveable. I think this was definitely a wrong verdict.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on March 29, 2018, 01:44:17 pm
To be fair-and-balanced, here are 2 recent murders (from today and Tuesday) involving Austrian perpetrators:

https://derstandard.at/2000077008200/Bluttat-in-Schwechat-Frau-durch-fuenf-Messerstiche-getoetet

In the first case, a 31-year old man has stabbed to death his ex-girlfriend in her apartment in Lower Austria while the 2 young kids were outside in a car together with his new girlfriend. The man has a Dutch-sounding first name though, so it's not 100% clear if he's an Austrian.

In the 2nd case, also in Lower Austria, a 55-year old man also stabbed and killed his wife.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: dead0man on March 30, 2018, 11:37:30 pm
If you get rid of sexual relationships and knives you might finally cure your society of murder!


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on April 05, 2018, 10:57:29 am
A 15-year old girl was brutally raped by 3 "dark-skinned" men with "foreign languages" in a wooded area in Lower Austria.

All 59 men in a nearby asylum seeker centre have been DNA-tested ...

https://kurier.at/chronik/niederoesterreich/15-jaehrige-in-tulln-vergewaltigt-erstmals-massen-dna-test-in-oestereich/264.211.550

In a verdict that is causing a HUGE outcry right now, 2 men (Somali and Afghan asylum seekers) who were charged with the rape, have been aquitted because 2 jury members didn't believe the girl.

And this despite sperm and DNA-evidence of the men were found on the victim. A 3rd suspect has even disappeared from the country alltogether ...

https://www.wienerzeitung.at/nachrichten/oesterreich/chronik/955374_Freisprueche-im-Zweifel-im-Prozess-um-Vergewaltigung.html

Unbelieveable. I think this was definitely a wrong verdict.

Following their scandalous aquittal, the 2 (IMO rapists) have disappeared from the country:

http://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/niederoesterreich/Vergewaltigungs-Prozess-in-NOe-Fluechtlinge-nach-Freispruch-untergetaucht/328022741


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on April 06, 2018, 12:12:59 pm
Deportations of Afghans apparently increasing significantly in recent days:

https://kurier.at/chronik/oesterreich/oesterreich-gross-angelegte-abschiebungs-aktion-im-laufen/400016968

Austria's "ICE" (deportation force) has been instructed by the FPÖ Interior Ministry to round up more than 400 Afghans for deportation to Kabul.

This would be the biggest single deportation order to one country in history.

Excellent.

Kickl, the FPÖ Interior Minister, has announced at the start of his term that deportations will go up significantly this year, so this is nothing new.

The bad thing is that certain groups are asking (rejected) aslyum seekers to hide somewhere to avoid being rounded up by the deportation force ...


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Lord Halifax on April 09, 2018, 09:16:40 am
Deportations of Afghans apparently increasing significantly in recent days:

https://kurier.at/chronik/oesterreich/oesterreich-gross-angelegte-abschiebungs-aktion-im-laufen/400016968

Austria's "ICE" (deportation force) has been instructed by the FPÖ Interior Ministry to round up more than 400 Afghans for deportation to Kabul.

This would be the biggest single deportation order to one country in history.

Excellent.

Kickl, the FPÖ Interior Minister, has announced at the start of his term that deportations will go up significantly this year, so this is nothing new.

The bad thing is that certain groups are asking (rejected) aslyum seekers to hide somewhere to avoid being rounded up by the deportation force ...

Will the Afghans accept them? Typically the big problem with deporting people from Europe has been that their home country rejects taking back their citizens if they do not go voluntarily.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on April 09, 2018, 11:44:44 am
Deportations of Afghans apparently increasing significantly in recent days:

https://kurier.at/chronik/oesterreich/oesterreich-gross-angelegte-abschiebungs-aktion-im-laufen/400016968

Austria's "ICE" (deportation force) has been instructed by the FPÖ Interior Ministry to round up more than 400 Afghans for deportation to Kabul.

This would be the biggest single deportation order to one country in history.

Excellent.

Kickl, the FPÖ Interior Minister, has announced at the start of his term that deportations will go up significantly this year, so this is nothing new.

The bad thing is that certain groups are asking (rejected) aslyum seekers to hide somewhere to avoid being rounded up by the deportation force ...

Will the Afghans accept them? Typically the big problem with deporting people from Europe has been that their home country rejects taking back their citizens if they do not go voluntarily.

The EU and Afghanistan recently struck a deportation agreement, so yes.

The problem is more that areas outside Kabul are considered "not safe" by some European countries and are not deporting right now, such as France.

Other countries, like Austria and Sweden, have no such concerns.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on April 10, 2018, 12:54:47 pm
A 25-year old Philippino-Nigerian student killed his mother on her 65th birthday today.

When police arrived, he wanted to jump out of the window (but the apartment was only on the first floor), so police easily arrested him after he jumped out.

http://wien.orf.at/news/stories/2906041


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on April 10, 2018, 02:24:29 pm
4 members of Vienna's "Sharia patrol" have been jailed recently:

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The 4 Chechen men harassed a woman last summer, who was swimming semi-naked in the Danube with her boyfriend present. Problem for the "Sharia patrol": her boyfriend was a reporter and filming the incident. The men threatened to beat him up and cut her throat.

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These people are a fu**ing plague and contributing to the "no-go-area" talking points that are popping up in Western European capitals or big cities.

The sooner these fu**ers are deported, the better.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on April 14, 2018, 12:40:25 am
Headless, armless body found in Austrian lake

VIENNA (AFP) - A female corpse without head or forearms was found Friday (April 13) on the bed of an Austrian lake, police said.

"The torso was found by a local resident and is believed to have been there several months," police spokesman Helmut Greiner told AFP.

"Sniffer dogs and police divers are currently in operation trying to find the remaining body parts," Greiner added.

The gruesome discovery was made in the shallow Lake Neusiedl straddling the border between Austria and Hungary.

http://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/headless-armless-body-found-in-austrian-lake


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on April 21, 2018, 02:00:12 am
^^^ looks like this is a Hungarian case.

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In other news, deportations in the first 2 months of 2018 are up by 50% compared with last year.

Last year, 12.000 people were deported. So this would mean 18.000 for this year - which is still very low in my opinion.

Considering there are still about 25.000 new asylum seekers coming every year, deportations need to be increased to at least 30.000 per year to lower their number in the long term.

In US-terms, that would be 670.000 deportations for 2018 - so Austria deports 3x as many people this year on a per-capita basis (US: 230.000 in FY2017).


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on May 04, 2018, 12:16:05 pm
3 suspected IS-members (so-called "refugees") have been arrested by SWAT teams today in an asylum seeker apartment in Judenburg, Styria:

http://www.heute.at/oesterreich/steiermark/story/Mutma-liche-IS-Anhaenger-in-Fluechtlingsheim-gefasst-59683798

The 3 are Iraqis, who came to Austria during the immigrant invasion of 2015-16.

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And in Lower Austria, an asylum seeker threw a hammer at small children today and then attacked police members when they arrested him.

This comes at a crucial day: Lower Austria's FPÖ is toughening the asylum process and has set a deadline today for rejected asylum seekers to show up at deportation centers or lose all their welfare. Of course, an arrest saves them from being deported ...

http://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/niederoesterreich/Asylwerber-wirft-Meissel-nach-Kindern/332300433


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on May 04, 2018, 12:23:21 pm
A 16-year old Croat student stabbed and almost killed another student of Arab migration background (14 years old) yesterday in front of a Vienna school:

http://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/wien/Mordversuch-an-Polytechnikum-Opfer-14-ist-Erpresser/332189729

The Croat apparently said to the 14-year old Arab that his "sister looks hot", after which the 14-year old said this "hurt his and his family's honour" and he had to pay him 1500€ as compensation.

The Croat student offered to pay 100€ as compensation for his words, which the 14-year old did not accept. He then stabbed him.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on May 04, 2018, 12:34:46 pm
Headless, armless body found in Austrian lake

VIENNA (AFP) - A female corpse without head or forearms was found Friday (April 13) on the bed of an Austrian lake, police said.

"The torso was found by a local resident and is believed to have been there several months," police spokesman Helmut Greiner told AFP.

"Sniffer dogs and police divers are currently in operation trying to find the remaining body parts," Greiner added.

The gruesome discovery was made in the shallow Lake Neusiedl straddling the border between Austria and Hungary.

http://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/headless-armless-body-found-in-austrian-lake

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^^^ looks like this is a Hungarian case.

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Nope:

Accused Austrian cannibal killer planned to 'taste' prostitute's entrails later

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An Austrian man accused of murdering and dismembering a prostitute kept her entrails in a freezer “to taste it at a later date.”

The twisted 63-year-old Vienna man admitted to police he was a cannibal, but said he was only looking for love in the prostitute murder.

Named as “Albert U” by Austrian media, he told cops he killed the woman — who wasn’t named– at the end of March in his apartment.

He said he took the Slovakian woman to his house for sex but her death was “certainly not with intent.”

“I asked her to be kind to me, to kiss and caress me. She refused. I grabbed her on her bosom, then she suddenly started to scream,” he told detectives.

“I could not stand those cries, I had to strangle her to silence it.”

He reportedly told police that he first hacked the body into pieces with a knife and a saw in his bathtub.

Albert U. then crushed the woman’s entrails to make them small enough to store in his freezer.

“I intended to taste it at a later date,” he told cops.

The victim’s torso, head and other body parts were found in mid-April in a lake outside Vienna where the accused had a cabin and boat.

Police dogs found DNA traces near his cabin, and the macabre stash in his freezer was discovered in a subsequent search.

The love-lorn Hannibal Lecter-wannabe had previously been jailed for 32 years for attacking a love rival with an iron pipe. He was also convicted of raping his girlfriend and biting off her nipple.

“I am not a bad person. I only wanted the women to love me. But they didn’t treat me well,” he reportedly told detectives after his current arrest, adding, “To tell the truth, I was happier in prison than outside.”

http://torontosun.com/news/world/accused-austrian-cannibal-killer-planned-to-taste-prostitutes-entrails-later#comments


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on May 05, 2018, 12:10:44 am
Turns out that the Nigerian asylum seeker, who threw a hammer at small kids yesterday, also killed another asylum seeker on Wednesday night (a Bangladeshi). Before that, he already attacked some other asylum seekers in their joint living quarters and was expelled from the complex because of it, but still returned during night to commit the murder:

http://noe.orf.at/news/stories/2911011


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on May 05, 2018, 04:52:29 am
A well-integrated Chechen family was deported from Upper Austria back to Russia, after 6 years in the country. But recently, their asylum status was rejected.

The local mayor, priest and many citizens protested, but it didn't help. The deportation officers came early in the morning and took them to the airport.

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http://ooe.orf.at/news/stories/2911001

Deportations of well-integrated families with small kids are not helpful IMO and should be stopped.

Those that really need to be deported are the criminals, such as the people mentioned in my posts above.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on May 12, 2018, 06:34:27 am
A new shocking case today in Vienna:

http://www.krone.at/1706802

A 7-year old Chechen girl went missing yesterday afternoon and was found today dead in a trash container ... :(


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on May 13, 2018, 08:58:48 am
A new shocking case today in Vienna:

http://www.krone.at/1706802

A 7-year old Chechen girl went missing yesterday afternoon and was found today dead in a trash container ... :(

According to the autopsy results, the small girl was stabbed to death (as cuts in her throat show) and then dumped into the trash container. The girl was not sexually abused though.

Police is looking for suspects, also within the large apartment complex where her family was living. One witness apparently saw a man acting suspiciously and who was likely on drugs.

Meanwhile, the Chechen family is receiving many hate postings on Social Media and newspaper forums, because the girl was last seen on Friday afternoon at 3pm - but was only reported to the police as missing by midnight.

https://kurier.at/chronik/wien/erstochenes-maedchen-familie-mit-hasspostings-konfrontiert/400034785

In other news, a 17-year old Austrian was stabbed to death today in Tyrol by immigrants (Kosovo-Albanians and Turks):

https://kurier.at/chronik/oesterreich/tirol-17-jaehriger-starb-bei-messerstecherei-unter-jugendlichen/400034767


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on May 15, 2018, 10:53:29 am
A new shocking case today in Vienna:

http://www.krone.at/1706802

A 7-year old Chechen girl went missing yesterday afternoon and was found today dead in a trash container ... :(

A suspect, a 16-year old neighbour of the girl (also from a Chechen family), has been found and he confessed to the crime after sniffer dogs traced the blood from the girl to his apartment.

More details about this horrific crime:

* The 16-year old killer came to Austria as a 1-year old with his Chechen family, was not known to the police before and was a good student. His family and the girl's family knew each other well.

* During his confession, he said he committed the crime because of a "sudden hatred building inside". He asked the girl into his family's apartment, dragged her into the shower and started cutting her throat until her head was almost completely severed.

* He said he's "sorry for the girl's mother", but showed no remorse for the girl herself - who he called "at the wrong place at the wrong time".

https://derstandard.at/2000079764212/Tatverdaechtiger-im-Mordfall-des-siebenjaehrigen-Maedchens-im-Gemeindebau-festgenommen


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Meclazine on May 16, 2018, 03:53:49 pm
My first thought was Chechen on Chechen. Perhaps a male relative.

That is still no less disturbing.

R.I.P.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on May 20, 2018, 10:02:03 am
A 59-year old woman was stabbed to death today by her 67-year old Turkish husband on a street in Vienna:

http://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/wien/Mord-Alarm-in-Wien-Ehefrau-59-erstochen/334236581


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on May 29, 2018, 05:41:09 am
Today, a couple was gunned down and killed in Vienna.

So far this year, twice as many people were killed in Vienna than last year - but the number in the rest of Austria is largely unchanged.

Vienna could see 40 murders this year, which would be a number not seen since the 90s and represent half of all killings in the country ... with just 1/5th of the population.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on May 29, 2018, 12:27:55 pm
Today, a couple was gunned down and killed in Vienna.

So far this year, twice as many people were killed in Vienna than last year - but the number in the rest of Austria is largely unchanged.

Vienna could see 40 murders this year, which would be a number not seen since the 90s and represent half of all killings in the country ... with just 1/5th of the population.

The 38-year old man (a Serb) shot and killed his 35-year old girlfriend (an Austrian woman) and then killed himself.

http://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/wien/Schiesserei-in-Wiener-Innenstadt-Zwei-Tote/335234631


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on May 31, 2018, 11:11:45 pm
What's interesting is that 28 of the 32 murder victims so far this year in Austria were women (an unusally high number).

They were mostly killed by their relatives (husbands, boyfriends or sons) and most were stabbed to death. The number of foreign suspects or with a migration background (as I regularly post) was high. Every 2nd murder suspect is a foreigner.

http://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/wien/Frau-35-in-Wien-ermordet-Jetzt-spricht-Verwandte/335568533


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on May 31, 2018, 11:21:45 pm
A 15-year old girl was brutally raped by 3 "dark-skinned" men with "foreign languages" in a wooded area in Lower Austria.

All 59 men in a nearby asylum seeker centre have been DNA-tested ...

https://kurier.at/chronik/niederoesterreich/15-jaehrige-in-tulln-vergewaltigt-erstmals-massen-dna-test-in-oestereich/264.211.550

In a verdict that is causing a HUGE outcry right now, 2 men (Somali and Afghan asylum seekers) who were charged with the rape, have been aquitted because 2 jury members didn't believe the girl.

And this despite sperm and DNA-evidence of the men were found on the victim. A 3rd suspect has even disappeared from the country alltogether ...

https://www.wienerzeitung.at/nachrichten/oesterreich/chronik/955374_Freisprueche-im-Zweifel-im-Prozess-um-Vergewaltigung.html

Unbelieveable. I think this was definitely a wrong verdict.

The Afghan will be deported to Kabul today.

:)

Justice.

https://kurier.at/chronik/niederoesterreich/nach-freispruch-wartet-nun-der-abschiebeflieger/400043920


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on June 03, 2018, 02:06:20 am
A nasty Dutch con-artist was recently arrested here in Zell am See for several fraud and theft cases:

https://www.meinbezirk.at/pinzgau/lokales/betruegerin-in-zell-am-see-festgenommen-d2621729.html

The Dutch woman, who stole a car in the Netherlands, then drove to Austria where she stole license plates from cars.

She then filled up at gas stations without paying and slept in hotels ... without paying.

She also had fake ID documents from the Netherlands and Belgium with her.

She was arrested and brought to the Salzburg City prison.


Title: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: Tender Branson on June 08, 2018, 09:16:14 am
Austria to shut down mosques, expel foreign-funded imams

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VIENNA (Reuters) - Austria’s right-wing government plans to shut seven mosques and could expel dozens of imams in what it said was “just the beginning” of a push against radical Islam and foreign funding of religious groups that Turkey condemned as racist.

The coalition government, an alliance of conservatives and the far right, came to power soon after Europe’s migration crisis on promises to prevent another influx and restrict benefits for new immigrants and refugees.

The moves follow a “law on Islam”, passed in 2015, which banned foreign funding of religious groups and created a duty for Muslim organizations to have “a positive fundamental view towards (Austria’s) state and society”.

“Political Islam’s parallel societies and radicalizing tendencies have no place in our country,” said Chancellor Sebastian Kurz, who, in a previous job as minister in charge of integration, steered the Islam bill into law.

Standing next to him and two other cabinet members on Friday, far-right Vice Chancellor Heinz-Christian Strache told a news conference: “This is just the beginning.”

Austria, a country of 8.8 million people, has roughly 600,000 Muslim inhabitants, most of whom are Turkish or have families of Turkish origin.

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan’s spokesman said the new policy was part of an “Islamophobic, racist and discriminatory wave” in Austria.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-austria-politics-islam/austria-plans-to-shut-down-mosques-expel-foreign-funded-imams-idUSKCN1J40X1

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/06/austria-shut-7-mosques-expel-dozens-imams-180608074940766.html

Excellent stuff.

We have long been way too naive in Europe on these developments and it's time to take our countries back from the claws of these Islamists and their foreign aiders and abettors.


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: Karpatsky on June 08, 2018, 10:03:26 am
Good. Shut down the churches next.

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Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: Tender Branson on June 08, 2018, 12:19:29 pm
Good. Shut down the churches next.

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Our churches are as empty as never before and not breeding grounds for extremism like the Muslim inner-city mosques ...


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: Tender Branson on June 08, 2018, 12:24:43 pm
The mosques have already been closed today.

Signs reading "closed" in Arabic and Turkish languages have been put on the entrance.

4 of them are in Vienna (among them the infamous Grey Wolves mosque, where Nazi-like Turkish salutes were commonplace, even among kids).

"Worshippers" who wanted to get into the mosque today for "prayer" stood outside in disbelief, while passers-by in cars shouted "Oh, you finally got to pack your bags ?", "Go home !" and "F**k off !" to them ...

https://derstandard.at/2000081246064/Geschlossene-Moscheen-Ratlose-Muslime-besorgte-Experten


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: DavidB. on June 08, 2018, 01:40:17 pm
Austria leads the way.


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: GMantis on June 08, 2018, 04:55:12 pm
Good for Austria. I think it's also high time for only imams educated in the EU to be allowed to preach in EU mosques. Many other professions have such requirements, so why shouldn't this apply to the imams, when it has been repeatedly shown how dangerous their influence can be.


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: Lok on June 08, 2018, 06:19:28 pm
Good. Shut down the churches next.

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Our churches are as empty as never before and not breeding grounds for extremism like the Muslim inner-city mosques ...
But as has been proven elsewhere, they are breeding grounds for rampant child sexual abuse.


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: President Johnson on June 09, 2018, 05:20:06 am
Although I'm not a fan of Sebastian Kurz and his government coalition, but I fully support the decision to take on political Islam and expell some problematic preachers. That sends a strong signal that anyone who wants to welcome in Europe must respect the rule of law and basic things such as women's rights. I wish Germany would be much tougher on this whole subject as well. It would also weaken the AfD nutjobs.


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: EPG on June 09, 2018, 05:24:00 am
Why should a religion have a positive fundamental view on society? Most religions want a fundamental re-making of society in a holy alternative image, except the captive state organisations like the Church of England. This is Chinese Communist Party-level stuff.


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: ¢®🅰ß 🦀 ©@k€ 🎂 on June 09, 2018, 06:10:27 am
I don't know how to think about this. Recently I have to started to generally shift towards a more American perspective on freedom of speech/expression (and before anybody asks, that includes for the alt right as well) and I'm uncomfortable with the idea of shutting down dissent for political gain. Then again, Islamism is generally a menace that doesn't play fair in the "marketplace of ideas" due to its subsidy by foreign governments, so I dunno really.


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: Edgar Suit Larry on June 09, 2018, 08:04:46 am
I don't know how to think about this. Recently I have to started to generally shift towards a more American perspective on freedom of speech/expression (and before anybody asks, that includes for the alt right as well) and I'm uncomfortable with the idea of shutting down dissent for political gain. Then again, Islamism is generally a menace that doesn't play fair in the "marketplace of ideas" due to its subsidy by foreign governments, so I dunno really.

Very good points. The ironic thing is that these "foreign governments" are being lavishly subsidized by our governments.


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: PR on June 09, 2018, 09:55:44 am
So is Israel the emblematic example of Political Judaism? Are American evangelical political activists Political Christianity?

This is yet another example of criminalizing Muslims who dare to speak out - or worse, declaring them a terrorist national security threat. F--k that disgusting bigoted bullsh*t.


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: nicholas.slaydon on June 09, 2018, 11:59:12 am
Although I'm not a fan of Sebastian Kurz and his government coalition, but I fully support the decision to take on political Islam and expell some problematic preachers. That sends a strong signal that anyone who wants to welcome in Europe must respect the rule of law and basic things such as women's rights. I wish Germany would be much tougher on this whole subject as well. It would also weaken the AfD nutjobs.


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: wxtransit on June 09, 2018, 12:12:07 pm
Is it just in America where we hold freedoms of speech and religion as sacred? It sounds like many of the European posters in this thread agree with this, while I know of many Americans, from far-right to far-left, that would see this as violating freedoms of religion.


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: DavidB. on June 09, 2018, 12:36:31 pm
Is it just in America where we hold freedoms of speech and religion as sacred? It sounds like many of the European posters in this thread agree with this, while I know of many Americans, from far-right to far-left, that would see this as violating freedoms of religion.
Yeah, I don't think radical imams (foreign-funded or not) should have a right to spread their hatred in our societies and intoxicate the minds of their followers with ideas that do not have a place in Europe, prevent integration, and cause the distance between Muslim communities and mainstream society to increase: it's bad for everybody involved to allow this.


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: wxtransit on June 09, 2018, 12:38:51 pm
Is it just in America where we hold freedoms of speech and religion as sacred? It sounds like many of the European posters in this thread agree with this, while I know of many Americans, from far-right to far-left, that would see this as violating freedoms of religion.
Yeah, I don't think radical imams (foreign-funded or not) should have a right to spread their hatred in our societies and intoxicate the minds of their followers with ideas that do not have a place in Europe, prevent integration, and cause the distance between Muslim communities and mainstream society to increase: it's bad for everybody involved to allow this.
I'm not sure I'm fully educated on the matter - what exactly do these people do?


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: TheDeadFlagBlues on June 09, 2018, 02:43:58 pm
There's no freedom of association in Europe, as it turns out. Not good!

I hate these mosques as much as anyone else but this is not a panacea or a solution, it's a cheap political strategy. I don't think that multiculturalism has worked but neither have the heavy-handed actions of states seeking to force conformity among immigrants.


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: parochial boy on June 09, 2018, 02:54:20 pm

Sounds like a lot of the Kurz-Strache government to be honest, lots of symbolic identitarian stuff, but very little to address the underlying cause behind why certain immigrant groups, even after three generations, have not succesfully integrated into Austrian (or German, Dutch, French for that matter) society.

But then, Europe is a big and diverse place, and the experience of one migrant group in one country does not necessarily set a template for the experiences of every immigrant group on the continent.


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: tack50 on June 09, 2018, 03:52:18 pm
Is it just in America where we hold freedoms of speech and religion as sacred? It sounds like many of the European posters in this thread agree with this, while I know of many Americans, from far-right to far-left, that would see this as violating freedoms of religion.


Yup. I'll say that in general Americans have a more "laissez faire" approach to freedom of religion and freedom of speech while most European countries have more restrictive approaches. Whether that's a good or a bad thing though I don't know.

I will say that for my country (Spain), freedom of speech is almost certainly too restricted (tons of people have been unfairly sent to jail). But I will say we are doing ok in freedom of religion.


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: DC Al Fine on June 09, 2018, 06:12:35 pm
Is it just in America where we hold freedoms of speech and religion as sacred? It sounds like many of the European posters in this thread agree with this, while I know of many Americans, from far-right to far-left, that would see this as violating freedoms of religion.


Yup. I'll say that in general Americans have a more "laissez faire" approach to freedom of religion and freedom of speech while most European countries have more restrictive approaches. Whether that's a good or a bad thing though I don't know.

I will say that for my country (Spain), freedom of speech is almost certainly too restricted (tons of people have been unfairly sent to jail). But I will say we are doing ok in freedom of religion.

If my country were say throwing journalists in prison, I would not say we are doing ok in freedom of the press... Why do you say Spain is doing ok in freedom of speech? Am I missing something?


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: ¢®🅰ß 🦀 ©@k€ 🎂 on June 09, 2018, 06:21:14 pm
I will say that most of those radicalised by Isis have not done so in mosques. Which is not to say that the salafi mosques are not an issue, but I don't know how important they are in the specific context of violent jihadism.


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: DavidB. on June 09, 2018, 07:50:19 pm
I will say that most of those radicalised by Isis have not done so in mosques. Which is not to say that the salafi mosques are not an issue, but I don't know how important they are in the specific context of violent jihadism.
Yeah, I think here they were mostly not welcome in mosques, and those who have gone that far down the rabbit hole are also likely to be paranoid enough to avoid going there, as intelligence services usually know damn well in which mosques they should have infiltrators and sources. Those who are at that stage of radicalization usually meet up in living rooms. Radicalization often does start in these mosques though.

Not completely convinced salafism was the issue here, even though Kurz and Strache did mention political Islam, because they also talked about far-right extremism and ties to the Grey Wolves. That's a whole different issue, I'd say. At least organizations tied to the Grey Wolves here are associated with different types of problematic behavior (violent crime, mafia stuff, intimidation of political opponents in other Turkish organizations), but not with salafism, which is more of a problem in Arab than in Turkish mosques in the first place.


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: ¢®🅰ß 🦀 ©@k€ 🎂 on June 09, 2018, 08:40:33 pm
I will say that most of those radicalised by Isis have not done so in mosques. Which is not to say that the salafi mosques are not an issue, but I don't know how important they are in the specific context of violent jihadism.
Yeah, I think here they were mostly not welcome in mosques, and those who have gone that far down the rabbit hole are also likely to be paranoid enough to avoid going there, as intelligence services usually know damn well in which mosques they should have infiltrators and sources. Those who are at that stage of radicalization usually meet up in living rooms. Radicalization often does start in these mosques though.

Not completely convinced salafism was the issue here, even though Kurz and Strache did mention political Islam, because they also talked about far-right extremism and ties to the Grey Wolves. That's a whole different issue, I'd say. At least organizations tied to the Grey Wolves here are associated with different types of problematic behavior (violent crime, mafia stuff, intimidation of political opponents in other Turkish organizations), but not with salafism, which is more of a problem in Arab than in Turkish mosques in the first place.

Yeah, the Grey Wolves connection is a lot less sticky a reason to target these mosques and organisations; they're basically a criminal syndicate like the Mafia.

I don't think people or religions should be targeted because they are conservative though, as long as they are not preaching hate (calls to genocide etc). That said, I think the state should work with religions to make them less patriarchal and closed off.


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: tack50 on June 09, 2018, 09:06:33 pm
Is it just in America where we hold freedoms of speech and religion as sacred? It sounds like many of the European posters in this thread agree with this, while I know of many Americans, from far-right to far-left, that would see this as violating freedoms of religion.


Yup. I'll say that in general Americans have a more "laissez faire" approach to freedom of religion and freedom of speech while most European countries have more restrictive approaches. Whether that's a good or a bad thing though I don't know.

I will say that for my country (Spain), freedom of speech is almost certainly too restricted (tons of people have been unfairly sent to jail). But I will say we are doing ok in freedom of religion.

If my country were say throwing journalists in prison, I would not say we are doing ok in freedom of the press... Why do you say Spain is doing ok in freedom of speech? Am I missing something?

I said we're bad at freedom of the press but ok in religion.


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: Tender Branson on June 09, 2018, 11:22:34 pm
Meanwhile, the Islamo-Fascist Erdogan has foam in front of his mouth, saying that Austria is starting a new crusade:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/erdogan-warns-austria-imam-crackdown-will-lead-to-holy-war

Good to see this fu**er's tentacles finally being cut here and his 5th column organisations being crushed. If his followers here still do not adopt to our lifestyle after 3 generations in the country and use Grey wolves salutes to promote extremist political Islam, it's better for them to go home to Turkey, where they belong.


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: Wisconsin SC Race 2019 on June 10, 2018, 08:12:31 pm
So is Israel the emblematic example of Political Judaism? Are American evangelical political activists Political Christianity?

This is yet another example of criminalizing Muslims who dare to speak out - or worse, declaring them a terrorist national security threat. F--k that disgusting bigoted bullsh*t.

What-about-ism strong here. We're talking about Europe; Islam is the biggest threat to safety, women's rights, and gay rights there.


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: Meclazine on June 11, 2018, 07:10:58 am
I take it the Serbs are on board:

(Image Link)

The Austrian's smashed the Mongolian warlords 335 years ago. It appears to be a historical cultural gate into Europe.

It's amazing that Europe just opens its' doors and lets refugees flood in. Literally.

There is helping out refugees on the one hand, but the refugee situation in Otaly with African's flooding across the Mediterranean is unprecedented.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/11/europe/msf-migrant-boat-italy-malta/index.html



Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: DC Al Fine on June 11, 2018, 08:00:02 am
I will say that most of those radicalised by Isis have not done so in mosques. Which is not to say that the salafi mosques are not an issue, but I don't know how important they are in the specific context of violent jihadism.
Yeah, I think here they were mostly not welcome in mosques, and those who have gone that far down the rabbit hole are also likely to be paranoid enough to avoid going there, as intelligence services usually know damn well in which mosques they should have infiltrators and sources. Those who are at that stage of radicalization usually meet up in living rooms. Radicalization often does start in these mosques though.

Not completely convinced salafism was the issue here, even though Kurz and Strache did mention political Islam, because they also talked about far-right extremism and ties to the Grey Wolves. That's a whole different issue, I'd say. At least organizations tied to the Grey Wolves here are associated with different types of problematic behavior (violent crime, mafia stuff, intimidation of political opponents in other Turkish organizations), but not with salafism, which is more of a problem in Arab than in Turkish mosques in the first place.

Yeah, the Grey Wolves connection is a lot less sticky a reason to target these mosques and organisations; they're basically a criminal syndicate like the Mafia.

I don't think people or religions should be targeted because they are conservative though, as long as they are not preaching hate (calls to genocide etc). That said, I think the state should work with religions to make them less patriarchal and closed off.

I'm on board with this except for your last sentence which I don't understand. What do you mean by that?


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: ¢®🅰ß 🦀 ©@k€ 🎂 on June 11, 2018, 08:53:59 am
I will say that most of those radicalised by Isis have not done so in mosques. Which is not to say that the salafi mosques are not an issue, but I don't know how important they are in the specific context of violent jihadism.
Yeah, I think here they were mostly not welcome in mosques, and those who have gone that far down the rabbit hole are also likely to be paranoid enough to avoid going there, as intelligence services usually know damn well in which mosques they should have infiltrators and sources. Those who are at that stage of radicalization usually meet up in living rooms. Radicalization often does start in these mosques though.

Not completely convinced salafism was the issue here, even though Kurz and Strache did mention political Islam, because they also talked about far-right extremism and ties to the Grey Wolves. That's a whole different issue, I'd say. At least organizations tied to the Grey Wolves here are associated with different types of problematic behavior (violent crime, mafia stuff, intimidation of political opponents in other Turkish organizations), but not with salafism, which is more of a problem in Arab than in Turkish mosques in the first place.

Yeah, the Grey Wolves connection is a lot less sticky a reason to target these mosques and organisations; they're basically a criminal syndicate like the Mafia.

I don't think people or religions should be targeted because they are conservative though, as long as they are not preaching hate (calls to genocide etc). That said, I think the state should work with religions to make them less patriarchal and closed off.

I'm on board with this except for your last sentence which I don't understand. What do you mean by that?

I think ideally, religions and the state would work together a bit more. For example, I think the state should clamp down on unregulated madrassas/religious schools and ensure that religious children are not grown up in isolation. Ideally I would ban schools from having religious requirements to enrol entirely, but that might be too much. I also think the state should promote gender parity in religion, and try and cajole as many female inmans/clergy as possible (within theological limits). Maybe there should be more effort in RE classes to teach that all religious perspectives should be treated as equally valid, and that no one centralised book or person has all answers (not state atheism or anything, just a contextualisation of religion).


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: #TheShadowyAbyss on June 11, 2018, 09:08:18 am
As a Muslim I don't mind radicals being shut out, but my concern is eventually it'll spread to wanting to shut all mosques down, this is a slippery slope.


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: Ses on June 11, 2018, 10:11:44 am
America's standards for freedom continue to be much higher than Europe's.


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: Absolution9 on June 11, 2018, 11:33:57 am
As a Muslim I don't mind radicals being shut out, but my concern is eventually it'll spread to wanting to shut all mosques down, this is a slippery slope.

This issue will continue to become more salient as the quantity of Muslims in Europe grows.  Austria has literally gone from 0% Muslim in the 1960's to probably 7.5-8% today.  That trend is only accelerating with the mass migration of 2014-2016.  If current trends continue, and given demographics there is no reason they shouldn't unless Europe has a wholesale political/ethical/legal transformation, Austria will be over 20% Muslim by 2050 and could be approaching 50% by the end of the century.

Question is will those people become fully Austrian only with a different faith?  Will they view Austria's history, culture, and heroes as theirs?  If not the tension will only increase over the coming decades.


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: Tender Branson on June 11, 2018, 12:25:31 pm
Guys, this is non-controversial.

If you think that these actions are anti-Muslim of some sort, you are really living in your own, disturbed reality.

Even several Muslim experts and a Muslim MP from the ÖVP here agreed that this action was more than necessary, after nothing has been done in the past to weed out radicalism (such as indoctrination of children and the youth in mosques) and outside financing in the Muslim community.

The timing was probably badly chosen (they should have waited until after Erdogan's "election"), but the government has said they needed to act right after the results of their evaluation were presented and that "they don't give a damn about Erdogan and what he says/wants".


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: Wisconsin SC Race 2019 on June 14, 2018, 01:23:13 pm
As a Muslim I don't mind radicals being shut out, but my concern is eventually it'll spread to wanting to shut all mosques down, this is a slippery slope.
That wouldn't be a bad thing, tbh.


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: Tender Branson on June 14, 2018, 11:24:51 pm
New Ö24/Research Affairs poll:

88% of Austrian voters support ÖVP-FPÖ's recent announcement to close several mosques, deport up to 60 extremist, non-integrating imams and stop outside financing in a major effort to combat political Islam.

http://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/politik/Aktuelle-Umfrage-Plus-fuer-die-Regierung/337337093


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: Wisconsin SC Race 2019 on June 14, 2018, 11:59:24 pm
New Ö24/Research Affairs poll:

88% of Austrian voters support ÖVP-FPÖ's recent announcement to close several mosques, deport up to 60 extremist, non-integrating imams and stop outside financing in a major effort to combat political Islam.

http://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/politik/Aktuelle-Umfrage-Plus-fuer-die-Regierung/337337093
Not a shock considering the common sense behind such moves. Wish more in Europe would join in.


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: Tender Branson on June 16, 2018, 10:53:51 am
Another new poll - by the political "Profil" magazine - also shows overwhelming support for the mosque closures, imam deportations and stop to financing from abroad:

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66% - the measures taken are appropriate
14% - the measures taken are not tough enough

10% - the measures taken are too tough
10% - undecided

https://www.profil.at/oesterreich/umfrage-massnahmen-moscheen-imame-10138695


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on June 18, 2018, 11:30:55 am
Several disgusting foreigner crimes happened over the past week:

* On Friday, a Tunisian delivery driver killed a retired couple in their home in Linz, because he blamed the FPÖ for all his misery in life and thought the 2 were FPÖ-voters (they were not). In fact, the 2 gave their killer money several times to help him with his failing delivery business. A couple years ago, a neighbour called the police because the killer was abusing animals - which led to an actual conviction of animal abuse. The killer said the neighbour was an "FPÖ-voter". The crime was particularly cruel, because first he killed the almost 90-year old woman by strangling her. Then he killed the almost 90-year old blind husband with a wooden rod, in which he put nails. He also stabbed him to death. Then he put gasoline on the bodies and burned down the house. The same day, he went to a police station, waited in line for some time until an officer had time for him and confessed the murders.

The trial for this fu**er started today and he faces life in prison of course.

In court today, he had the balls to show self-made signs: "You are all liars."

(He confessed in court though that he was an IS-sympathizer, after evidence was found on his computer).

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http://ooe.orf.at/news/stories/2919404


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: Bacon King on June 18, 2018, 01:45:12 pm
Meanwhile, the Islamo-Fascist Erdogan has foam in front of his mouth


pot, meet kettle

Have you always been a rabid Austro-Fascist or is this a relatively new development?


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: Tender Branson on June 18, 2018, 01:58:42 pm
Meanwhile, the Islamo-Fascist Erdogan has foam in front of his mouth


pot, meet kettle

Have you always been a rabid Austro-Fascist or is this a relatively new development?

Please get rid of your Erdogan-fetish. It's not healthy for you.


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: Austere Religious Scholar on June 18, 2018, 02:52:12 pm
Meanwhile, the Islamo-Fascist Erdogan has foam in front of his mouth


pot, meet kettle

Have you always been a rabid Austro-Fascist or is this a relatively new development?

Tender has been irreversibly traumatized by having his bike stolen by an asylum seeker.


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: Austere Religious Scholar on June 18, 2018, 02:54:36 pm
As a Muslim I don't mind radicals being shut out, but my concern is eventually it'll spread to wanting to shut all mosques down, this is a slippery slope.

That's a valid concern, as the Austrian government is clearly more interested in scoring political points with Tenders than fundamental fairness.


Title: Re: Austria cracks down hard on political Islam, closes 7 mosques & deports 60 imams
Post by: Tender Branson on June 18, 2018, 03:03:38 pm
Meanwhile, the Islamo-Fascist Erdogan has foam in front of his mouth


pot, meet kettle

Have you always been a rabid Austro-Fascist or is this a relatively new development?

Tender has been irreversibly traumatized by having his bike stolen by an asylum seeker.

No, plus we got the bike back. This happened when I was like 10 or 11 and I'm not even sure if that Kenyan actually "stole" that bike or if he just took it for a roundtrip along the river and then would have returned it (at least, that's what he said). So, my father didn't call the police back then.

As a Muslim I don't mind radicals being shut out, but my concern is eventually it'll spread to wanting to shut all mosques down, this is a slippery slope.

That's a valid concern, as the Austrian government is clearly more interested in scoring political points with Tenders than fundamental fairness.

That's a crazy statement: the current government is the one with the most fairness on the topic of immigration in decades. Previously, nothing has happened and unchecked immigration without regulations was tolerated and the native population had to suffer from the excesses that were allowed to take place. Now, this is being corrected. Thank Goodness ! Better now, than never.

Also, the concern that ÖVP+FPÖ wants to close all mosques is also crazy: Austria has more than 300 mosques and prayer rooms and only 7 of the most extreme were closed (those operated by the Turks and Saudis, with outside money and where children posed as corpses). Kurz+Strache will easily uphold freedom of religion and won't egage in any large-scale mosque closings.


Title: Sister of German Green politician killed by Moroccan immigrant
Post by: Tender Branson on June 21, 2018, 11:42:27 pm
The 28-year old Sophia L., a student in Leipzig, wanted to hitchhike and visit her family back in Bavaria, which is when she disappeared.

Her brother, a Green-politician from Bavaria, said that she worked as a refugee aide.

Yesterday, it became known that her body was found at a gas station in the Basque Country (Spain) and a 40-year old truck driver from Morocco has been arrested.

https://www.rtl.de/cms/medienberichte-vermutlich-leiche-von-vermisster-tramperin-sophia-l-in-spanien-gefunden-4180973.html

Horrible.


Title: Re: Sister of German Green politician killed by Moroccan immigrant
Post by: pilskonzept on June 22, 2018, 05:39:21 am
It seems to me that the suspect is not actually an immigrant.

Still a horrible crime. RIP.


Title: Re: Sister of German Green politician killed by Moroccan immigrant
Post by: Zinneke on June 22, 2018, 07:35:12 am
It seems to me that the suspect is not actually an immigrant.

Still a horrible crime. RIP.

What Tender means is that his skin was dark.


Title: Re: Sister of German Green politician killed by Moroccan immigrant
Post by: Blairite on June 22, 2018, 07:46:52 am
Tragic, but why is it that these crimes, which are hardly rare, are only posted about here when they're committed by Muslims?


Title: Re: Sister of German Green politician killed by Moroccan immigrant
Post by: Dereich on June 22, 2018, 08:21:09 am
Can we get a containment thread for this sort of thing? These are clearly a vehicle for Tender's anti-Muslim bias and we don't need half a dozen threads on the first page for that.


Title: Re: Sister of German Green politician killed by Moroccan immigrant
Post by: Wisconsin SC Race 2019 on June 22, 2018, 09:47:13 am
When will the madness end? Germany, do something.


Title: Re: Sister of German Green politician killed by Moroccan immigrant
Post by: Tender Branson on June 22, 2018, 10:22:15 am
It seems to me that the suspect is not actually an immigrant.

Still a horrible crime. RIP.

What Tender means is that his skin was dark.

Don't know what you guys are talking about, but all the sources say that the perpetrator is a Moroccan truck driver who was questioned by Spanish police and who confessed to the crime.

Being a Moroccan means that he's either an immigrant living in Germany, or an immigrant living in Spain - who's driving to Germany with his truck.


Title: Re: Sister of German Green politician killed by Moroccan immigrant
Post by: Zinneke on June 24, 2018, 03:52:03 am
It seems to me that the suspect is not actually an immigrant.

Still a horrible crime. RIP.

What Tender means is that his skin was dark.

Don't know what you guys are talking about, but all the sources say that the perpetrator is a Moroccan truck driver who was questioned by Spanish police and who confessed to the crime.

Being a Moroccan means that he's either an immigrant living in Germany, or an immigrant living in Spain - who's driving to Germany with his truck.

No Tender, he could have been born and raised in either country. And still hold Morroccan nationality. That would not make him an immigrant.


Title: Re: Sister of German Green politician killed by Moroccan immigrant
Post by: pilskonzept on June 24, 2018, 06:40:10 am
It's possible that he still lives in Morocco and not in any European country. After all, he drove a Moroccan-registered truck for a Moroccan-owned company.

(Yes, dual citizenship or EU residency would help such workers to avoid visa hassle. But at that point we are really talking about entry rules, not immigration rules.)


Title: Re: Sister of German Green politician killed by Moroccan immigrant
Post by: President Johnson on June 24, 2018, 02:42:47 pm
As already said, was probably not an immigrant but a truck driver. Nevertheless, I don't understand how a young woman can voluntarily and alone go on board a truck with a man regardless of nationality. I'd never allow my girlfriend to do this, neither do I know a young woman doing this. Better to spend a few bucks and take the train, which is much safer. Like I will never get it why some young women walk home alone at night. Even I try to avoid it.


Title: Re: Sister of German Green politician killed by Moroccan immigrant
Post by: Blairite on June 24, 2018, 03:29:42 pm
As already said, was probably not an immigrant but a truck driver. Nevertheless, I don't understand how a young woman can voluntarily and alone go on board a truck with a man regardless of nationality. I'd never allow my girlfriend to do this, neither do I know a young woman doing this. Better to spend a few bucks and take the train, which is much safer. Like I will never get it why some young women walk home alone at night. Even I try to avoid it.
Ya might want to rephrase that.


Title: Re: Sister of German Green politician killed by Moroccan immigrant
Post by: President Johnson on June 24, 2018, 03:31:37 pm
As already said, was probably not an immigrant but a truck driver. Nevertheless, I don't understand how a young woman can voluntarily and alone go on board a truck with a man regardless of nationality. I'd never allow my girlfriend to do this, neither do I know a young woman doing this. Better to spend a few bucks and take the train, which is much safer. Like I will never get it why some young women walk home alone at night. Even I try to avoid it.
Ya might want to rephrase that.

Well, a stranger of course. Not me.


Title: Re: Sister of German Green politician killed by Moroccan immigrant
Post by: dead0man on June 24, 2018, 05:23:15 pm
As already said, was probably not an immigrant but a truck driver. Nevertheless, I don't understand how a young woman can voluntarily and alone go on board a truck with a man regardless of nationality. I'd never allow my girlfriend to do this, neither do I know a young woman doing this. Better to spend a few bucks and take the train, which is much safer. Like I will never get it why some young women walk home alone at night. Even I try to avoid it.
Ya might want to rephrase that.

Well, a stranger of course. Not me.
that's not what he was talking about.  Here in the free world men don't own their women, they do what they want, not what we "allow" them to do.  Even if what they're doing is freaking retarded.  We can't even suggest they not wear short skirts in dark alleys without a world of hell falling down upon anybody that would dare say it out loud.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on June 25, 2018, 12:26:55 pm
A 30-year old Romanian man has shot and killed his pregnant 27-year old girlfriend today.

He then took another woman and 4-year old child hostage, but they were released after negotiations with the police.

He then jumped out of the window and is in a serious condition now.

https://kurier.at/chronik/oesterreich/schuesse-und-geiselnahme-27-jaehrige-starb-bei-beziehungsstreit/400056728

And the trend continues ...

What's interesting is that 28 of the 32 murder victims so far this year in Austria were women (an unusally high number).

They were mostly killed by their relatives (husbands, boyfriends or sons) and most were stabbed to death. The number of foreign suspects or with a migration background (as I regularly post) was high. Every 2nd murder suspect is a foreigner.

http://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/wien/Frau-35-in-Wien-ermordet-Jetzt-spricht-Verwandte/335568533


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on July 03, 2018, 12:55:41 pm
35 people have been murdered in Austria in the first 6 months of the year.

Among them 30 women and female children.

If this trend continues, there could be 70 killings this year (murder rate of 0.8/100.000 people).

In the 1970s and 1980s, the average murder rate was 1.8 and 1.4 per 100.000, which dropped to 1.2 in the 1990s and to 1.0 in the 2000s. The 2010s so far were around 0.8 and 2014 actually reached an all-time-low with 0.4 per 100.000 (or below 40 killings).

While 2018 is shaping up to be average for this decade, the numbers are on the rise in the last years.

Also, the number of women killed is unusually high this year.

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The US has the same trend as Austria, with a record-low murder rate back in 2014 and then a rising rate again (but the rate here is 7-10x lower than in the US):

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No statistics available yet for 2017 or the first half of 2018.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on July 07, 2018, 01:12:13 am
An interesting fact about Austria's low recent murder rates compared with the 1970s and 1980s:

I have read an article recently that suggests that the number of autopsies performed in Austria have dropped significantly between the 1970s and now.

On the other hand, death cases classified as "cause of death undetermined" have skyrocketed: In the 1970s, there were only 50 cases of "cause of death undetermined", but now these cases are around 400.

Obviously, not all of these 400 cases are "hidden" murders, but some might be.

Also, the murder rate definitely has dropped significantly over the past 20 years - because of the significant toughening of the gun law in the late 1990s, which also led to much fewer suicides. Studies have clearly shown this effect here: fewer guns available for people, better background checks and the numbers drop. Plus, better forensics and better psychological treatment, even in rural areas.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria and other Islam stuff he posts about
Post by: Tender Branson on July 16, 2018, 05:50:48 am
A few days ago, an 18-year old Iraqi asylum seeker tried to rape his 16-year old Austrian girlfriend here in Zell am See, where I live.

https://www.polizei.gv.at/sbg/presse/aussendungen/presse.aspx?prid=3652454338624C794C4C413D&pro=1


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria and other Islam stuff he posts about
Post by: Tender Branson on July 19, 2018, 08:30:39 am
A 24-year old man has punched several Jews and women today in a Vienna subway, but was swiftly arrested:

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Police said that "preliminary" talks with the man indicate no political motive.

http://www.heute.at/oesterreich/wien/story/Pruegelattacke-auf-Juden-in-Wien-56029743


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria and other Islam stuff he posts about
Post by: dead0man on July 19, 2018, 09:09:51 am
I wonder if this young bigot knows that Miami Beach is, in fact, full of Jews.  This is almost like beating up black people while wearing a Harlem Globetrotters jersey.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria and other Islam stuff he posts about
Post by: Tender Branson on July 20, 2018, 01:37:19 am
I wonder if this young bigot knows that Miami Beach is, in fact, full of Jews.  This is almost like beating up black people while wearing a Harlem Globetrotters jersey.

It should be noted that the arrested man was a Turk and police are now treating it as an anti-semitic attack, because according to witnesses he "clearly aimed at the Jews" (wearing a kippa) to attack them.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on July 22, 2018, 02:15:46 am
Austria's tightened gun law in 1997 has significantly lowered gun homicides and suicides in the country, according to a new study by the MedUni Vienna:

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Stricter firearm legislation lowers murder and suicide rates

MEDICINE & SCIENCE
 
(Vienna, 18 July 2018) A statistical analysis carried out by researchers from the Department of Psychiatry and Psychotherapy and the Center for Medical Statistics at the Medical University of Vienna shows that stricter firearm legislation is associated with a reduction in firearm-related murder and suicide rates.

There had been a continuous decline in these figures in Austria for over 20 years following the introduction of stricter firearm legislation in the 1997 reform. However, this trend has been slowing down ever since the 2008 economic crisis. A possible explanation for this may be that the general feeling of insecurity among the population led to more people obtaining licences for guns, which significantly increased the percentage of firearms involved in murders and suicides.

In Austria, the number of murders and suicides had been falling continuously for decades. There was even a change in the percentage of acts of violence involving firearms: since the firearm legislation reform in 1997, when it became more difficult to obtain a firearm, there was a continuous decline in the number of new licences, which is also reflected in the statistics for firearm-related murders and suicides. For example, in 1998 there were 3.7 firearm-related suicides per 100,000 head of population and, by 2008, this figure had dropped to 2.4.

Existential fears caused by the global financial crisis – more guns bought in Austria

This welcome trend has been slowing down since the 2008 economic crisis. Suicide rates started to rise again in Western nations, such as the European countries and Canada. "It is well known that the threat of unemployment can be a contributory factor in suicides," explains lead author Daniel König from the Department of Psychiatry and Psychotherapy, MedUni Vienna/Vienna General Hospital, "this threat increased following the economic crisis in 2008, as did the level of stress within the population – even in Austria. For the first time there was an increase in the number of new firearm licences issued."

https://www.meduniwien.ac.at/web/en/about-us/news/detailsite/2018/news-im-juli-2018/stricter-firearm-legislation-lowers-murder-and-suicide-rates/


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on July 25, 2018, 01:37:50 pm
After the first half of 2018 had a significant increase in the number of murders (35 in total), there was no murder reported during the past month ...

It's really rare in a country of 9 million that no murder happens over a period of a month ...


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on August 01, 2018, 10:30:34 am
To be fair and balanced, here is a recent case of an 18-year old Austrian travelling to the US to meet and f**k a 15-year old girl he met online:

Austrian man traveled to Florida for sex with teen, deputies say

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VENICE (FOX 13) - An 18-year-old man is accused of traveling thousands of miles from another country to have sex with a teenager in Florida.

Detectives with the Sarasota County Sheriff's Office said it started as a chat online in September 2017.
The pair used a social media app platform called Discord before switching over to SnapChat.

The pair exchanged photos and videos. After three months of conversations, they said they were in a "dating relationship," according to an arrest affidavit.

Criminal Investigations Sergeant Gerardo Carrillo said 18-year-old Leo Simetzberger booked a flight and rented an Airbnb in Venice for some real face time.

"They had been talking since September. They finally decided it was time for them to meet," said Sgt. Carrillo.

On Monday morning, the 15-year-old's mother called Sarasota County deputies to report her daughter was missing. Investigators issued an alert and the teen was quickly located.

She told detectives that Simetzberger came to the U.S. to be with her. While they were at the rented property, there was sexual activity between the two, according to the Sarasota County Sheriff's Office.

Sgt. Carrillo said Simetzberger did research and knew that the girl was only 15 years old.

"He actually Googled the age of consent and what sexual battery consisted and what age. He believed it was OK."

http://www.fox13news.com/news/local-news/austria-man-had-sex-with-teen-after-traveling-to-sarasota-county-detectives-say

https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/region-sarasota-manatee/venice/austrian-man-arrested-after-traveling-to-sarasota-county-to-have-sex-with-15-year-old-he-met-online


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on August 05, 2018, 01:45:48 pm
3 Polish workers have gone wild Friday evening here in Zell am See district, reports local police:

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Polish workers riot in Gastein

Friday afternoon in the center of Bad Hofgastein, the three men had looked too deep into the glass and were then reported to police for their noisy and unpleasant behavior. The police escorted them to their apartments after their disorderly behavior. As a result, the men continued to drink in their quarters.

Then one of the three left in the evening to get his car. Through his driving the police became aware of him and wanted to stop him. But he hit the gas and fled towards Bad Gastein. In the local center he crashed against a stone wall. An alcohol test was denied by the worker. Because he could not identify himself he was arrested by the investigators.

His colleague, who wanted to help him, walked from the quarters to the police station to get his passport and driver's license. On the way he met a group of Arab women, which the Pole allegedly harrassed. He also wanted to tear the veil off their heads, the police said.

When a taxi driver came to the aid of the women, there was an initial verbal confrontation, which then became serious. The taxi driver was slightly injured.

The Polish worker was not able to calm down by the police, so he was arrested. He and his colleague were so drunk that they could only be questioned on Saturday about the incidents of the previous day. After that both were released, but they have to expect charges being filed against them.

https://salzburg.orf.at/news/stories/2928457


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on August 11, 2018, 11:53:22 am
To be fair and balanced, here is a recent case of an 18-year old Austrian travelling to the US to meet and f**k a 15-year old girl he met online:

Austrian man traveled to Florida for sex with teen, deputies say

Austrian teen freed on $200,000 bail in US underage sex case

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An Austrian teenager arrested in Florida for having had sex with a 15-year-old girl he met on the internet has been released on $200,000 bail, Austria's foreign ministry said on Friday.

The arrest of the young man, who turned 18 in June and who has been named as Leo, has attracted much attention in Austria, with a campaign being launched to raise funds for his bail and legal expenses.

"We're very happy that this Austrian has been released and that he is under the care of his parents," foreign ministry spokesman Thomas Schnoell said.

His arrest has caused particular concern as in Austria sexual relations with an adult are legal from the age of 14 as long as they are not in the context of an unequal relationship and there is no coercion.

However, in Florida, sexual relations with anyone under 16 can be punishable by heavy prison sentences.

The man's release was on the condition that he not leave the Orange Country area and that he refrain from contacting the girl.

He must also remain under the care of his parents, who have travelled to Florida to be with him before he appears in court on September 14.

Leo had built up a romantic relationship over several months with the girl online before flying to Florida to meet her. He was arrested on July 30 after the girl's mother reported her missing.

According to Austrian media, he was questioned without a lawyer or interpreter present and was beaten by a fellow detainee while in custody.

His father told the OOeNachrichten daily that the relationship was "a totally normal love story" and claimed the girl had told Leo that she was 16.

The money for his bail was raised by a fundraising effort launched from Leo's hometown of Mitterkirchen in the northern region of Upper Austria. Much of it was donated by an anonymous businessman.

https://www.thelocal.at/20180811/austrian-teen-freed-on-200000-bail-in-us-underage-sex-case

Idiotic that you can be charged as an 18-year old in FL, for having sex with a 15 year old ... ::)


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on August 22, 2018, 11:25:35 am
An immigrant perpetrator, who carried out a disgusting honour killing last year, has been sentenced to life in prison today. He confessed in court to killing his own younger sister out of a "cultural reason":

Afghan Refugee Gets Life Sentence For So-Called Honor Killing Of Sister

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A young Afghan refugee in Austria has received a sentence of life in prison for stabbing his sister to death in a so-called "honor killing."

A court in Vienna issued the sentence on August 22 against the Afghan man, who said he stabbed his sister 28 times "because of culture" in order to protect what he said was his family’s sense of honor.

https://gandhara.rferl.org/a/afghan-refugee-gets-life-sentence-for-so-called-honor-killing-of-sister/29447684.html

The worst scum.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: True Federalist on September 04, 2018, 06:23:08 am
Illegal immigrant eludes Austrian police

Mystery kangaroo in Austria still on the loose

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The animal, native to Australia, was spotted by residents in the forest and meadows near the small town of Kirchschlag in northern Austria.

Police confirmed multiple sightings over the weekend but told the BBC on Tuesday the mystery marsupial remained at large.

"It sounds unbelievable, but it's true," a local police official, who declined to be named, told the news agency AFP.

"We have called all the zoos and kangaroo breeders around us, but no one is missing a kangaroo. We hope the owner will come forward," they added.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45407767 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45407767)

Perhaps this will finally wake people up about the marsupial menace.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on September 10, 2018, 01:06:50 pm
Another disgusting asylum seeker crime in Vienna yesterday:

https://derstandard.at/2000087054946/Mordverdaechtiger-in-Wien-haette-Haft-anzutreten-gehabt

A 40-year old Iraqi man stabbed and killed his 50-year old girlfriend (also an Iraqi) yesterday evening.

The man, who has been in the country since 2004 when he first claimed asylum, has been arrested and sentenced to prison 3 (!) times already and at one point was even deported back to Italy after he served time in prison for assault, robbery and smuggling - but he eventually came back to Austria and claimed asylum again (his claim is still being "processed", but considering his previous sentences, was never approved anymore). So, he virtually committed the murder yesterday as an illegal because he should have been in Italy and not in Austria. Or even better, he should have been in Iraq and should have never set foot into Europe ...


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on September 15, 2018, 04:49:37 am
A man who stabbed four people in two knife attacks in the Austrian capital Vienna on March 7 was sentenced to life in jail on Thursday.

The 23-year-old Afghan national was found guilty by jurors on four counts of attempted murder.

The attacker did not claim any political motivation for his actions.

A couple and their 17-year-old daughter sustained severe injuries in the first attack near Nestroyplatz metro station, surviving thanks only to a quick response from emergency services.

The man then went onto the Praterstern area and stabbed his drug dealer, who he blamed for his "sad life situation", according to prosecutors.

Between attacks, the man was a confronted by a passerby who avoided injury. The suspect was convicted on a further count of coercion for this encounter.

https://www.thelocal.at/20180914/vienna-knife-attacker-gets-life-sentence

And in another case last night, 5 about-to-be-deported young Afghans and 1 Iranian set fire in their prison cells:

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https://wien.orf.at/news/stories/2936066


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on September 15, 2018, 10:17:23 am
A 31-year old Austrian woman in a lesbian relationship has strangled to death her 25-year old German girlfriend tonight in a Vienna hotel suite.

The motive is unclear, but it could be a sex accident rather than murder.

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/Frauen-Liebe-endete-mit-Mord-Alarm-in-Hotel/348763750


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: True Federalist on September 15, 2018, 10:55:56 am
A 31-year old Austrian woman in a lesbian relationship has strangled to death her 25-year old German girlfriend tonight in a Vienna hotel suite.

The motive is unclear, but it could be a sex accident rather than murder.

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/Frauen-Liebe-endete-mit-Mord-Alarm-in-Hotel/348763750

I'm surprised you haven't speculated that the woman was a secret Muslim.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on September 18, 2018, 10:43:27 am
A 31-year old Austrian woman in a lesbian relationship has strangled to death her 25-year old German girlfriend tonight in a Vienna hotel suite.

The motive is unclear, but it could be a sex accident rather than murder.

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/Frauen-Liebe-endete-mit-Mord-Alarm-in-Hotel/348763750

I'm surprised you haven't speculated that the woman was a secret Muslim.

That's mostly because Muslim lesbians are extremely rare.

In fact it was the Austrian "Jennifer" who killed the German "Sarah" ...

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The bad thing is that they wanted to marry next year (Austria legalizes gay marriage on January 1).


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on September 23, 2018, 01:26:06 am
A 29-year old Serb has killed his father yesterday in Vienna by stabbing him in the back, after he saw "the devil in him".

https://www.kleinezeitung.at/oesterreich/5500851/Festnahme-in-Wien_29Jaehriger-gesteht-Mord-an-Vater


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on September 23, 2018, 01:31:11 am
A 23-year old Syrian asylum seeker has taken a 17-year old from my district to Salzburg City in his (!) car and then tried to rape her.

https://www.krone.at/1774396

The good thing was that she attacked him, went out of the car and screamed. People nearby called the police, which arrested the rapist Syrian.

Also: I don't even know how an asylum seeker can have his own car ...


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on September 28, 2018, 03:26:32 pm
A 16-year old Afghan asylum seeker has killed a 19-year old Afghan asylum seeker at a playground in Linz.

Reason: drugs.

https://www.nachrichten.at/oberoesterreich/Nach-toedlicher-Messerattacke-in-Linz-16-Jaehriger-festgenommen;art4,3016775


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on September 29, 2018, 09:53:21 am
A 41-year old Syrian asylum seeker has brutally attacked 3 old women yesterday night in Vienna, beating them almost into a coma.

When police arrived they also beat and pepper-sprayed him down because he was still quite aggressive against the police officers.

https://derstandard.at/2000088330768/Drei-Frauen-in-Wien-Alsergrund-attackiert

I think this guy should not have been pepper-sprayed, he should have been tasered or shot. You also need to think about the safety of the police officers ...


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on October 14, 2018, 12:48:45 am
An 18-year old Afghan asylum seeker attacked random train passengers with a knife yesterday in Western Austria.

A few men attacked him and pinned him down until police arrived.

https://www.kleinezeitung.at/oesterreich/5512776/Zwei-Verletzte_18jaehriger-Afghane-attackiert-Zugpassagiere-mit-Messer


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on October 21, 2018, 06:30:46 am
A 20-year old local woman has been shot dead yesterday night here in Zell am See in her own home by an unknown perpetrator ... :(

SWAT teams are currently searching for the suspect. The motive is also unknown (even though the tabloid "Ö24" speculates about a drug connection).

https://salzburg.orf.at/news/stories/2942813

https://www.krone.at/1793244

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/20-Jaehrige-in-Wohnhaus-erschossen/353035905

The crime scene is not far away from my apartment, like a mile or so.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on October 21, 2018, 06:46:35 am
Her apartment is just above the Lake Zell and the main street through the city, near the hospital.

I was driving by there just yesterday morning ... crazy.

The 20-year old woman, Irene P., was living alone in her apartment. I didn't know her personally, but might have seen her while shopping sometimes. It's virtually my neighbourhood ...

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Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on October 21, 2018, 06:57:44 am
Police have issued a safety warning and asked residents of Zell am See and the district to remain indoors until the murder suspect is found.

If the 20-year old girl was in fact involved in drug-dealing, she might have been killed by an Eastern-European hitman, who might be out of the country again. Or someone else, who might be dead now in the woods near the apartment.

Anyway, should the suspect come to my house and ring my doorbell, I will strike him down with my outdoor hunting knives or my bow.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on October 21, 2018, 09:42:16 am
The murder suspect has still not been identified or found.

How do you identify a suspect that enters an apartment complex at 9:30pm, shoots and kills the girl and then probably drives away ?

CCTV cameras are not common here.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on October 21, 2018, 12:46:26 pm
Ö24 has more on the murder case:

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/salzburg/Mord-an-20-Jaehriger-Taeter-machte-einen-Fehler/353088227

The victim: a 20-year old, who worked in a fashion store and had 1500 followers on Instagram.

She apparently had a Turkish ex-boyfriend, who went to the police station today to rule himself out as the killer.

Rumours are that she was involved in drug-dealing, or that her friends were. Neighbours said that "a couple men" frequently went in and out of her apartment and that she even got beaten up several times.

Sad.

And everything just a mile away from where I live.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on October 21, 2018, 12:59:16 pm
The "Krone" has even more:

https://www.krone.at/1793442

The young girl has a history of drug abuse/dealing, but got her life back together in the last years and was about to testify in November as the principal witness in a drug trial, against former dealers.

The main suspect is an Austrian-born Turk, who's on the run.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on October 22, 2018, 11:10:24 am
Hmm, she was really hot ... what a shame. It seems you can't shake off the past ghosts, even if you get out of drug dealing and back to a normal life. But this was pretty extreme.

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https://salzburg.orf.at/news/stories/2942813

This year so far, 35 people have been killed in Austria - of which 31 victims were women ...


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on October 22, 2018, 01:44:03 pm
Austria has among the highest share of women being murder victims (2016 numbers):

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This year, 90% (!) of murder victims were women.

On the other hand, our overall murder rate is extremely low when compared internationally.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: dead0man on October 22, 2018, 04:49:06 pm
Austria has among the highest share of women being murder victims (2016 numbers):
yeah, I saw your post and was like "whoa!, that's insane".  In the US, it's 79% dude (because the vast majority of our murders are drug/gang related, I can't find a percentage, but I'd wager it's north of 75%).


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on November 18, 2018, 01:45:07 am
Disgusting:

https://www.sn.at/salzburg/chronik/brueder-holten-ihre-zu-westliche-schwester-mit-gewalt-von-saalfelden-nach-wien-zurueck-61004251

A 22-year old Chechen woman was living with her arch-conservative family in Vienna and decided to leave the family to lead a "western lifestyle".

For this, she cut her ties with the family and moved to Saalfelden in Salzburg (not far away from me), 500 km away from her family. Her 2 brothers (aged 20 and 23) still managed to track her down, beat her up and abducted her to Vienna and held her captive in the family apartment for 9 hours until she managed to call the police.

The 2 brothers are now on trial.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on November 26, 2018, 01:24:29 pm
A 24-year old Afghan has stabbed to death a 21-year old Austrian yesterday night in Innsbruck:

https://www.tt.com/panorama/verbrechen/15058027/toedliche-attacke-in-innsbruck-opfer-starb-durch-einen-stich


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on December 06, 2018, 02:01:13 pm
Despite a very "murderous" first half of 2018, the year will actually end with a lower-than-average number of murders. While there were around 30 or so murders in the first half, there were only some 10 in the second half so far. With around 40 murders in a country of 9 million, we continue to have one of the lowest murder rates on the planet.

Overall, total crimes reported are down by more than 7% so far this year compared with 2017 - but the % of foreign suspects is actually higher than last year (40% of all suspects vs. 39% last year) - meaning that Austrians committed much less crimes than last year.

One thing that's going in the other direction though are rape cases:

The number of reported rape cases is up 18% this year until November. The number of Austrian rape suspects is up by 17%, the number of foreign rape suspects even up by 27%. Foreign rape suspects made up 45% of all rape suspects.

https://kurier.at/chronik/oesterreich/kriminalstatistik-heuer-bisher-weniger-anzeigen/400337857

https://www.krone.at/1820824


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: rob in cal on December 07, 2018, 06:59:02 pm
  Tender, any % breakdown of murder victims and perpetrators by nationality?


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on December 08, 2018, 12:42:51 am
 Tender, any % breakdown of murder victims and perpetrators by nationality?

The BMI only compiles statistics about murder suspects by citizenship (not by individual countries).

In recent years, about 45-50% of murder suspects were foreigners (compared with their share of 15% in the population).

According to media reporting though about individual murder cases, Afghans, Syrians, Iraqis, Turks, Germans and former Yugoslavs are the main foreign killers though.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on December 10, 2018, 11:41:38 am
A 17 year old Afghan so-called „refugee“ has stabbed his 16 year old Austrian girlfriend to death in her room at her home today:

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/16-Jaehrige-getoetet-Taeter-fluechtete-nach-Wien/359349578


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on December 11, 2018, 12:24:06 pm
A 17 year old Afghan so-called „refugee“ has stabbed his 16 year old Austrian girlfriend to death in her room at her home today:

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/16-Jaehrige-getoetet-Taeter-fluechtete-nach-Wien/359349578

The Afghan bastard, who fled to Vienna, was captured today ...


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Omega21 on December 11, 2018, 12:39:02 pm
A 17 year old Afghan so-called „refugee“ has stabbed his 16 year old Austrian girlfriend to death in her room at her home today:

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/16-Jaehrige-getoetet-Taeter-fluechtete-nach-Wien/359349578

The Afghan bastard, who fled to Vienna, was captured today ...

I can't help it, but the first line from the SPÖ video against the government "They find a minority to blame" (or whatever, can't remember what it was) just keeps going through my head.

One of the reasons they are not fit to lead.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: President Johnson on December 11, 2018, 12:55:01 pm
Austria has among the highest share of women being murder victims (2016 numbers):

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This year, 90% (!) of murder victims were women.

On the other hand, our overall murder rate is extremely low when compared internationally.

This is mainly due to violence within relationships/marriages. Germany just recently had a public discussion on this. A relationship or marriage is, as sad as it is, statistically a dangerous thing for women. Far more than the stranger from outside.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on December 13, 2018, 01:16:59 pm
A wealthy aristocrat/count, who owned a big mansion/castle in Lower Austria, a winery and a horse/polo club - shot and killed 3 family members (his father, brother and step-mother) today with a hunting rifle.

https://www.krone.at/1826117

Apparently, there was a dispute about money ...


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on December 16, 2018, 02:30:17 am
A 17 year old Afghan so-called „refugee“ has stabbed his 16 year old Austrian girlfriend to death in her room at her home today:

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/16-Jaehrige-getoetet-Taeter-fluechtete-nach-Wien/359349578

The Afghan bastard, who fled to Vienna, was captured today ...

Turns out that the Afghan killer once posed in an Afghan military uniform (picture was taken when he already had "refugee" status in Austria) and showing the so-called "ISIS-finger":

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He also says the murder of the 16-year old Austrian girl was an "accident" and that she "fell into his knife" ...

https://www.krone.at/1827181


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on December 21, 2018, 10:15:29 am
1 person shot dead and 1 seriously wounded in a shooting outside a Schnitzel restaurant in Vienna:

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VIENNA (Reuters) - One person was killed and another injured in a shooting outside a popular Schnitzel restaurant in central Vienna on Friday but police said the incident was not terrorism-related.

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-austria-security/two-people-shot-in-vienna-manhunt-underway-police-idUSKCN1OK1FL


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on December 21, 2018, 11:01:12 am
Those shot dead and wounded today and most likely the killer too were from the Serb/Montenegrin mafia.

Maybe Omega21 can do the translating ...

http://www.novosti.rs/vesti/naslovna/hronika/aktuelno.291.html:767413-NOVOSTI-SAZNAJU-Ubijeni-Vlada-Roganovic-i-Stefan-Vilotijevic


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Omega21 on December 21, 2018, 11:18:54 am
Those shot dead and wounded today and most likely the killer too were from the Serb/Montenegrin mafia.

Maybe Omega21 can do the translating ...

http://www.novosti.rs/vesti/naslovna/hronika/aktuelno.291.html:767413-NOVOSTI-SAZNAJU-Ubijeni-Vlada-Roganovic-i-Stefan-Vilotijevic


Vlada Roganović and Stefan Vilotijević killed

In a shooting in the centre of Vienna at 13:30, Vladimir Roganović (31) from Herceg Novog (MNE) was killed. He was regarded as a member of the "infamous" "kavač" clan from Montenegro.

"According to our information, this "tough guy" was eliminated along with another member of the previously mentioned organization."

The second victim is "Stefan Vilotijević" from Nikšić.

Both were shot in the head.

It is also being reported that those involved in the shooting yelled "Brate brate", which is something that is commonly heard around Serbia and Montenegro, and would be similar to "Mate" in GB, although the exact meaning is "Brother".

So, seems like a few sh**theads taking their sh**t out on the streets, can't they just kill each other somewhere where there are no people around...

Anyway, hope they get arrested, given 40-year sentences, and deported if possible.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on December 21, 2018, 12:55:04 pm
Those shot dead and wounded today and most likely the killer too were from the Serb/Montenegrin mafia.

Maybe Omega21 can do the translating ...

http://www.novosti.rs/vesti/naslovna/hronika/aktuelno.291.html:767413-NOVOSTI-SAZNAJU-Ubijeni-Vlada-Roganovic-i-Stefan-Vilotijevic


Vlada Roganović and Stefan Vilotijević killed

In a shooting in the centre of Vienna at 13:30, Vladimir Roganović (31) from Herceg Novog (MNE) was killed. He was regarded as a member of the "infamous" "kavač" clan from Montenegro.

"According to our information, this "tough guy" was eliminated along with another member of the previously mentioned organization."

The second victim is "Stefan Vilotijević" from Nikšić.

Both were shot in the head.

It is also being reported that those involved in the shooting yelled "Brate brate", which is something that is commonly heard around Serbia and Montenegro, and would be similar to "Mate" in GB, although the exact meaning is "Brother".

So, seems like a few sh**theads taking their sh**t out on the streets, can't they just kill each other somewhere where there are no people around...

Anyway, hope they get arrested, given 40-year sentences, and deported if possible.

Thanks.

Yeah, maybe not "mafia" as I wrote, but intra-clan-fights.

BTW: there are no 40-year sentences in Austria. In this case, clan/gang-members killing each other, the killer will get a life-sentence - which means an average of 20-25 years in prison. Theoretically, a killer sentenced to "life" can apply for release after 15 years in prison, but that basically never gets granted. If the killer has a psychological abnormality (which probably is not the case here), that killer will then be put into followup imprisonment in a closed psychological prison ward after serving the 20+ year "life sentence" and can only be released if he gets psychological clearance from some psychiatrists. There have been some cases though where psychiatrists have "cleared" killers and they were released into the public because of their positive assessment, only to kill again after a short period ...


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on December 22, 2018, 07:42:20 am
Those shot dead and wounded today and most likely the killer too were from the Serb/Montenegrin mafia.

Maybe Omega21 can do the translating ...

http://www.novosti.rs/vesti/naslovna/hronika/aktuelno.291.html:767413-NOVOSTI-SAZNAJU-Ubijeni-Vlada-Roganovic-i-Stefan-Vilotijevic


Vlada Roganović and Stefan Vilotijević killed

In a shooting in the centre of Vienna at 13:30, Vladimir Roganović (31) from Herceg Novog (MNE) was killed. He was regarded as a member of the "infamous" "kavač" clan from Montenegro.

"According to our information, this "tough guy" was eliminated along with another member of the previously mentioned organization."

The second victim is "Stefan Vilotijević" from Nikšić.

Both were shot in the head.

It is also being reported that those involved in the shooting yelled "Brate brate", which is something that is commonly heard around Serbia and Montenegro, and would be similar to "Mate" in GB, although the exact meaning is "Brother".

So, seems like a few sh**theads taking their sh**t out on the streets, can't they just kill each other somewhere where there are no people around...

Anyway, hope they get arrested, given 40-year sentences, and deported if possible.

Turns out that the killed guy, Vladimir Roganović, was only released from a Belgrade prison 3 weeks ago where he served a sentence for a bomb attack. His brother and uncle were also killed a few years ago, when they started a car which had bombs planted inside.

The clans (operating in Serbia, Montenegro and Bosnia) have a history of violence because of drug dealing/smuggling and the above-mentioned bomb attacks.

While the Montenegrin media says that the 2nd person, Stefan Vilotijević, is now dead as well - the hospital in Vienna cannot confirm this.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Lord Halifax on December 22, 2018, 09:18:53 am
Those shot dead and wounded today and most likely the killer too were from the Serb/Montenegrin mafia.

Maybe Omega21 can do the translating ...

http://www.novosti.rs/vesti/naslovna/hronika/aktuelno.291.html:767413-NOVOSTI-SAZNAJU-Ubijeni-Vlada-Roganovic-i-Stefan-Vilotijevic


Vlada Roganović and Stefan Vilotijević killed

In a shooting in the centre of Vienna at 13:30, Vladimir Roganović (31) from Herceg Novog (MNE) was killed. He was regarded as a member of the "infamous" "kavač" clan from Montenegro.

"According to our information, this "tough guy" was eliminated along with another member of the previously mentioned organization."

The second victim is "Stefan Vilotijević" from Nikšić.

Both were shot in the head.

It is also being reported that those involved in the shooting yelled "Brate brate", which is something that is commonly heard around Serbia and Montenegro, and would be similar to "Mate" in GB, although the exact meaning is "Brother".

So, seems like a few sh**theads taking their sh**t out on the streets, can't they just kill each other somewhere where there are no people around...

Anyway, hope they get arrested, given 40-year sentences, and deported if possible.

Thanks.

Yeah, maybe not "mafia" as I wrote, but intra-clan-fights.

But what does clan mean in this context if it's not just a mafia family? How old are these clans?


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Omega21 on December 23, 2018, 08:35:33 am
Those shot dead and wounded today and most likely the killer too were from the Serb/Montenegrin mafia.

Maybe Omega21 can do the translating ...

http://www.novosti.rs/vesti/naslovna/hronika/aktuelno.291.html:767413-NOVOSTI-SAZNAJU-Ubijeni-Vlada-Roganovic-i-Stefan-Vilotijevic


Vlada Roganović and Stefan Vilotijević killed

In a shooting in the centre of Vienna at 13:30, Vladimir Roganović (31) from Herceg Novog (MNE) was killed. He was regarded as a member of the "infamous" "kavač" clan from Montenegro.

"According to our information, this "tough guy" was eliminated along with another member of the previously mentioned organization."

The second victim is "Stefan Vilotijević" from Nikšić.

Both were shot in the head.

It is also being reported that those involved in the shooting yelled "Brate brate", which is something that is commonly heard around Serbia and Montenegro, and would be similar to "Mate" in GB, although the exact meaning is "Brother".

So, seems like a few sh**theads taking their sh**t out on the streets, can't they just kill each other somewhere where there are no people around...

Anyway, hope they get arrested, given 40-year sentences, and deported if possible.

Thanks.

Yeah, maybe not "mafia" as I wrote, but intra-clan-fights.

But what does clan mean in this context if it's not just a mafia family? How old are these clans?

Some of them started a bit before the collapse of Yugoslavia, and some of them during and just after it.

In 2002/3, the situation in Serbia was hopeless. The "Zemun clan" (Zemun is a part of Belgrade) even participated in the murder of Prime Minister Zoran Đinđić.

Even the Deputy State Prosecutor of Serbia was on their payroll.

That triggered the biggest police operation in Serbia, to date, with 11,000 people being arrested, including members of various government branches.

After the operation, revenue for all malls in Belgrade dropped by 20%, which is a testament as to how much money these people had.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zemun_Clan

These 2 were not part of that clan, but a smaller Montenegro clan, but they still operate in mainly the same way.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on December 23, 2018, 12:19:54 pm
Those shot dead and wounded today and most likely the killer too were from the Serb/Montenegrin mafia.

Maybe Omega21 can do the translating ...

http://www.novosti.rs/vesti/naslovna/hronika/aktuelno.291.html:767413-NOVOSTI-SAZNAJU-Ubijeni-Vlada-Roganovic-i-Stefan-Vilotijevic


Vlada Roganović and Stefan Vilotijević killed

In a shooting in the centre of Vienna at 13:30, Vladimir Roganović (31) from Herceg Novog (MNE) was killed. He was regarded as a member of the "infamous" "kavač" clan from Montenegro.

"According to our information, this "tough guy" was eliminated along with another member of the previously mentioned organization."

The second victim is "Stefan Vilotijević" from Nikšić.

Both were shot in the head.

It is also being reported that those involved in the shooting yelled "Brate brate", which is something that is commonly heard around Serbia and Montenegro, and would be similar to "Mate" in GB, although the exact meaning is "Brother".

So, seems like a few sh**theads taking their sh**t out on the streets, can't they just kill each other somewhere where there are no people around...

Anyway, hope they get arrested, given 40-year sentences, and deported if possible.

Thanks.

Yeah, maybe not "mafia" as I wrote, but intra-clan-fights.

But what does clan mean in this context if it's not just a mafia family? How old are these clans?

Some of them started a bit before the collapse of Yugoslavia, and some of them during and just after it.

In 2002/3, the situation in Serbia was hopeless. The "Zemun clan" (Zemun is a part of Belgrade) even participated in the murder of Prime Minister Zoran Đinđić.

Even the Deputy State Prosecutor of Serbia was on their payroll.

That triggered the biggest police operation in Serbia, to date, with 11,000 people being arrested, including members of various government branches.

After the operation, revenue for all malls in Belgrade dropped by 20%, which is a testament as to how much money these people had.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zemun_Clan

These 2 were not part of that clan, but a smaller Montenegro clan, but they still operate in mainly the same way.

Yeah, they were part of the Kavač clan, which is in a tough fight with the Skaljarski clan.

Apparently, the battle has originated from a 2014 coup, in which one clan has stolen 200 kilograms of cocaine from the other clan in an apartment in Valencia, Spain.

Since then, they try to kill each other in Spain, in Montenegro, in Serbia, in Bosnia, in the Czech Republic and now in Austria as well.

Crips vs. Bloods - Balkan style ...


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Omega21 on December 23, 2018, 12:46:15 pm
Those shot dead and wounded today and most likely the killer too were from the Serb/Montenegrin mafia.

Maybe Omega21 can do the translating ...

http://www.novosti.rs/vesti/naslovna/hronika/aktuelno.291.html:767413-NOVOSTI-SAZNAJU-Ubijeni-Vlada-Roganovic-i-Stefan-Vilotijevic


Vlada Roganović and Stefan Vilotijević killed

In a shooting in the centre of Vienna at 13:30, Vladimir Roganović (31) from Herceg Novog (MNE) was killed. He was regarded as a member of the "infamous" "kavač" clan from Montenegro.

"According to our information, this "tough guy" was eliminated along with another member of the previously mentioned organization."

The second victim is "Stefan Vilotijević" from Nikšić.

Both were shot in the head.

It is also being reported that those involved in the shooting yelled "Brate brate", which is something that is commonly heard around Serbia and Montenegro, and would be similar to "Mate" in GB, although the exact meaning is "Brother".

So, seems like a few sh**theads taking their sh**t out on the streets, can't they just kill each other somewhere where there are no people around...

Anyway, hope they get arrested, given 40-year sentences, and deported if possible.

Thanks.

Yeah, maybe not "mafia" as I wrote, but intra-clan-fights.

But what does clan mean in this context if it's not just a mafia family? How old are these clans?

Some of them started a bit before the collapse of Yugoslavia, and some of them during and just after it.

In 2002/3, the situation in Serbia was hopeless. The "Zemun clan" (Zemun is a part of Belgrade) even participated in the murder of Prime Minister Zoran Đinđić.

Even the Deputy State Prosecutor of Serbia was on their payroll.

That triggered the biggest police operation in Serbia, to date, with 11,000 people being arrested, including members of various government branches.

After the operation, revenue for all malls in Belgrade dropped by 20%, which is a testament as to how much money these people had.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zemun_Clan

These 2 were not part of that clan, but a smaller Montenegro clan, but they still operate in mainly the same way.

Yeah, they were part of the Kavač clan, which is in a tough fight with the Skaljarski clan.

Apparently, the battle has originated from a 2014 coup, in which one clan has stolen 200 kilograms of cocaine from the other clan in an apartment in Valencia, Spain.

Since then, they try to kill each other in Spain, in Montenegro, in Serbia, in Bosnia, in the Czech Republic and now in Austria as well.

Crips vs. Bloods - Balkan style ...

Yeah, that's about right lol

I really hope they get deported, since Serbia has 40-year sentences, and the guy who killed the Prime minister got 130+, which is a lot worse than the 20ish years they will get here.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on December 23, 2018, 12:52:48 pm
Those shot dead and wounded today and most likely the killer too were from the Serb/Montenegrin mafia.

Maybe Omega21 can do the translating ...

http://www.novosti.rs/vesti/naslovna/hronika/aktuelno.291.html:767413-NOVOSTI-SAZNAJU-Ubijeni-Vlada-Roganovic-i-Stefan-Vilotijevic


Vlada Roganović and Stefan Vilotijević killed

In a shooting in the centre of Vienna at 13:30, Vladimir Roganović (31) from Herceg Novog (MNE) was killed. He was regarded as a member of the "infamous" "kavač" clan from Montenegro.

"According to our information, this "tough guy" was eliminated along with another member of the previously mentioned organization."

The second victim is "Stefan Vilotijević" from Nikšić.

Both were shot in the head.

It is also being reported that those involved in the shooting yelled "Brate brate", which is something that is commonly heard around Serbia and Montenegro, and would be similar to "Mate" in GB, although the exact meaning is "Brother".

So, seems like a few sh**theads taking their sh**t out on the streets, can't they just kill each other somewhere where there are no people around...

Anyway, hope they get arrested, given 40-year sentences, and deported if possible.

Thanks.

Yeah, maybe not "mafia" as I wrote, but intra-clan-fights.

But what does clan mean in this context if it's not just a mafia family? How old are these clans?

Some of them started a bit before the collapse of Yugoslavia, and some of them during and just after it.

In 2002/3, the situation in Serbia was hopeless. The "Zemun clan" (Zemun is a part of Belgrade) even participated in the murder of Prime Minister Zoran Đinđić.

Even the Deputy State Prosecutor of Serbia was on their payroll.

That triggered the biggest police operation in Serbia, to date, with 11,000 people being arrested, including members of various government branches.

After the operation, revenue for all malls in Belgrade dropped by 20%, which is a testament as to how much money these people had.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zemun_Clan

These 2 were not part of that clan, but a smaller Montenegro clan, but they still operate in mainly the same way.

Yeah, they were part of the Kavač clan, which is in a tough fight with the Skaljarski clan.

Apparently, the battle has originated from a 2014 coup, in which one clan has stolen 200 kilograms of cocaine from the other clan in an apartment in Valencia, Spain.

Since then, they try to kill each other in Spain, in Montenegro, in Serbia, in Bosnia, in the Czech Republic and now in Austria as well.

Crips vs. Bloods - Balkan style ...

Yeah, that's about right lol

I really hope they get deported, since Serbia has 40-year sentences, and the guy who killed the Prime minister got 130+, which is a lot worse than the 20ish years they will get here.

The Austrian BMI is working closely together with the Serb and Montenegrin officials, so yeah, they might get extradited ... assuming the killer(s) are still in Austria and not somewhere else already.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Omega21 on December 23, 2018, 12:59:12 pm
Those shot dead and wounded today and most likely the killer too were from the Serb/Montenegrin mafia.

Maybe Omega21 can do the translating ...

http://www.novosti.rs/vesti/naslovna/hronika/aktuelno.291.html:767413-NOVOSTI-SAZNAJU-Ubijeni-Vlada-Roganovic-i-Stefan-Vilotijevic


Vlada Roganović and Stefan Vilotijević killed

In a shooting in the centre of Vienna at 13:30, Vladimir Roganović (31) from Herceg Novog (MNE) was killed. He was regarded as a member of the "infamous" "kavač" clan from Montenegro.

"According to our information, this "tough guy" was eliminated along with another member of the previously mentioned organization."

The second victim is "Stefan Vilotijević" from Nikšić.

Both were shot in the head.

It is also being reported that those involved in the shooting yelled "Brate brate", which is something that is commonly heard around Serbia and Montenegro, and would be similar to "Mate" in GB, although the exact meaning is "Brother".

So, seems like a few sh**theads taking their sh**t out on the streets, can't they just kill each other somewhere where there are no people around...

Anyway, hope they get arrested, given 40-year sentences, and deported if possible.

Thanks.

Yeah, maybe not "mafia" as I wrote, but intra-clan-fights.

But what does clan mean in this context if it's not just a mafia family? How old are these clans?

Some of them started a bit before the collapse of Yugoslavia, and some of them during and just after it.

In 2002/3, the situation in Serbia was hopeless. The "Zemun clan" (Zemun is a part of Belgrade) even participated in the murder of Prime Minister Zoran Đinđić.

Even the Deputy State Prosecutor of Serbia was on their payroll.

That triggered the biggest police operation in Serbia, to date, with 11,000 people being arrested, including members of various government branches.

After the operation, revenue for all malls in Belgrade dropped by 20%, which is a testament as to how much money these people had.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zemun_Clan

These 2 were not part of that clan, but a smaller Montenegro clan, but they still operate in mainly the same way.

Yeah, they were part of the Kavač clan, which is in a tough fight with the Skaljarski clan.

Apparently, the battle has originated from a 2014 coup, in which one clan has stolen 200 kilograms of cocaine from the other clan in an apartment in Valencia, Spain.

Since then, they try to kill each other in Spain, in Montenegro, in Serbia, in Bosnia, in the Czech Republic and now in Austria as well.

Crips vs. Bloods - Balkan style ...

Yeah, that's about right lol

I really hope they get deported, since Serbia has 40-year sentences, and the guy who killed the Prime minister got 130+, which is a lot worse than the 20ish years they will get here.

The Austrian BMI is working closely together with the Serb and Montenegrin officials, so yeah, they might get extradited ... assuming the killer(s) are still in Austria and not somewhere else already.


As long as they are in the EU, I assume they will be extradited.

If they managed to go back to Montenegro, it will probably be tougher, because their money has more influence there and they can stay under the radar.

Fun fact:

One of them is a cousin to the Balkan singer Dara Bubamara, or so they say at least.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on December 23, 2018, 01:10:08 pm
Those shot dead and wounded today and most likely the killer too were from the Serb/Montenegrin mafia.

Maybe Omega21 can do the translating ...

http://www.novosti.rs/vesti/naslovna/hronika/aktuelno.291.html:767413-NOVOSTI-SAZNAJU-Ubijeni-Vlada-Roganovic-i-Stefan-Vilotijevic


Vlada Roganović and Stefan Vilotijević killed

In a shooting in the centre of Vienna at 13:30, Vladimir Roganović (31) from Herceg Novog (MNE) was killed. He was regarded as a member of the "infamous" "kavač" clan from Montenegro.

"According to our information, this "tough guy" was eliminated along with another member of the previously mentioned organization."

The second victim is "Stefan Vilotijević" from Nikšić.

Both were shot in the head.

It is also being reported that those involved in the shooting yelled "Brate brate", which is something that is commonly heard around Serbia and Montenegro, and would be similar to "Mate" in GB, although the exact meaning is "Brother".

So, seems like a few sh**theads taking their sh**t out on the streets, can't they just kill each other somewhere where there are no people around...

Anyway, hope they get arrested, given 40-year sentences, and deported if possible.

Thanks.

Yeah, maybe not "mafia" as I wrote, but intra-clan-fights.

But what does clan mean in this context if it's not just a mafia family? How old are these clans?

Some of them started a bit before the collapse of Yugoslavia, and some of them during and just after it.

In 2002/3, the situation in Serbia was hopeless. The "Zemun clan" (Zemun is a part of Belgrade) even participated in the murder of Prime Minister Zoran Đinđić.

Even the Deputy State Prosecutor of Serbia was on their payroll.

That triggered the biggest police operation in Serbia, to date, with 11,000 people being arrested, including members of various government branches.

After the operation, revenue for all malls in Belgrade dropped by 20%, which is a testament as to how much money these people had.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zemun_Clan

These 2 were not part of that clan, but a smaller Montenegro clan, but they still operate in mainly the same way.

Yeah, they were part of the Kavač clan, which is in a tough fight with the Skaljarski clan.

Apparently, the battle has originated from a 2014 coup, in which one clan has stolen 200 kilograms of cocaine from the other clan in an apartment in Valencia, Spain.

Since then, they try to kill each other in Spain, in Montenegro, in Serbia, in Bosnia, in the Czech Republic and now in Austria as well.

Crips vs. Bloods - Balkan style ...

Yeah, that's about right lol

I really hope they get deported, since Serbia has 40-year sentences, and the guy who killed the Prime minister got 130+, which is a lot worse than the 20ish years they will get here.

The Austrian BMI is working closely together with the Serb and Montenegrin officials, so yeah, they might get extradited ... assuming the killer(s) are still in Austria and not somewhere else already.


As long as they are in the EU, I assume they will be extradited.

If they managed to go back to Montenegro, it will probably be tougher, because their money has more influence there and they can stay under the radar.

Fun fact:

One of them is a cousin to the Balkan singer Dara Bubamara, or so they say at least.

Yeah, would be good if the killer could serve the 40 years in Serbia instead of the 20 years here.

We already have enough Afghan, Syrian etc. rapists and killers crowding our prisons, so no need to feed through additional Serb mafia killers with my tax €s ...

On this case, I can point to a new initiative by ÖVP-FPÖ, in which they want to increase extraditions of foreign criminals in Austria to their native countries, where they can serve their prison time instead of burdening the Austrian taxpayers.

https://www.heute.at/politik/news/story/Straftaeter-sollen-Haft-in-der-Heimat-verbue-en-49556427


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on December 24, 2018, 09:05:38 am
An Austro-Indian has killed his wife yesterday evening in Vienna, by strangling her and then drowning her to death in the bathtub:

https://kurier.at/chronik/wien/ehefrau-in-wien-kurz-vor-weihnachten-in-badenwanne-ertraenkt/400361975

He then cut her wrists to make it look like a suicide, but police quickly noticed that he only staged it. He quickly confessed to the murder.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on December 26, 2018, 05:08:43 am
A 37-year old Syrian asylum seeker has killed his 23-year old wife tonight:

https://tirol.orf.at/news/stories/2955511


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on December 27, 2018, 07:21:48 am
A 20-year old local woman has been shot dead yesterday night here in Zell am See in her own home by an unknown perpetrator ... :(

SWAT teams are currently searching for the suspect. The motive is also unknown (even though the tabloid "Ö24" speculates about a drug connection).

https://salzburg.orf.at/news/stories/2942813

https://www.krone.at/1793244

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/20-Jaehrige-in-Wohnhaus-erschossen/353035905

The crime scene is not far away from my apartment, like a mile or so.

A 17-year old from Zell am See district was arrested yesterday as the likely perpetrator.

Apparently, the gun used in the crime was also found.

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/Mord-an-Irene-P-17-Jaehriger-verhaftet/361395772

Good.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on December 27, 2018, 10:31:57 am
A 20-year old local woman has been shot dead yesterday night here in Zell am See in her own home by an unknown perpetrator ... :(

SWAT teams are currently searching for the suspect. The motive is also unknown (even though the tabloid "Ö24" speculates about a drug connection).

https://salzburg.orf.at/news/stories/2942813

https://www.krone.at/1793244

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/20-Jaehrige-in-Wohnhaus-erschossen/353035905

The crime scene is not far away from my apartment, like a mile or so.

A 17-year old from Zell am See district was arrested yesterday as the likely perpetrator.

Apparently, the gun used in the crime was also found.

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/Mord-an-Irene-P-17-Jaehriger-verhaftet/361395772

Good.

The "Krone" reports that the 17-year old killer's motive was likely not drugs (even though he bought weed from her several times), but more the fact that he was an incel.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on January 03, 2019, 10:50:33 am
Oh man ... another one of these disgusting cases where you can just ::)

https://kurier.at/chronik/wien/frau-bricht-grapscher-die-nase-afghane-bleibt-asylberechtigt/400367672

During New Year, a 21-year old Swiss woman visited Vienna's New Year Path to watch the fireworks there. After midnight, she was groped and sexually attacked by a 20-year old Afghan asylum seeker. When she fended him off, she broke his nose and he ran away. The Swiss woman filed a charge against him and police arrested him at the hospital.

Now the fu**ed-up thing:

Not only was the Afghan so-called "refugee" and wannabe-rapist arrested, but also the woman (for serious bodily injury) !

And even if the asylum seeker is charged and sentenced to prison, he probably cannot be deported back to Afghanistan.

What a scum and what a fu**ing disgrace of a system we have here ! I'd give these people a personal asskick out of the country, if they violate their host country and its people in such a gross manner.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on January 08, 2019, 02:24:52 pm
First murder of the year 2019:

A fundamentalist Muslim (a Turk) has killed his wife in front of their 4 children today, by slashing her throat. The fundie Muslim wanted to frequently convert neighbours to Islam and even talked small children there into it. His wife has converted to Islam, according to the report.

https://www.krone.at/1839484


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on January 14, 2019, 12:21:47 pm
Murders #2 and #3 so far this year:

* A native Austrian gun nut killed his ex-wife by stabbing her to death. On Social Media he posed with guns and said he worked as a security employee, but actually was unemployed. He also tried to escape, but SWAT teams found and arrested him after a few hours.

https://www.heute.at/oesterreich/niederoesterreich/story/Mord--Cobra-konnte-Taeter-festnehmen-40982701

* Yesterday in Lower Austria, a Syrian so-called "refugee" named Yazan A. (19) killed his native Austrian girlfriend Manuela K. (16) by strangling her to death and then dumped her under a pile of leaves in a park near her home. He then tried to escape by hiding in Vienna, but police quickly got him and he already confessed to the murder.

https://www.heute.at/oesterreich/niederoesterreich/story/Mord-Park-Wiener-Neustadt-Yazar-A-legt-Gestaendnis-ab-Widerruf--50547270

All 3 murder victims so far were women, killed by their male partners.

All 3 murders so far happened in Lower Austria.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on January 14, 2019, 12:37:47 pm
The sad thing with #3 is that the 19-year Syrian has already committed a crime last year against her (domestic violence), but sadly he wasn't stripped of his asylum status and immediately deported back to Syria. It would have prevented this murder of the 16-year old Austrian girl yesterday.

I repeat: If accepted refugees f**k their host countries in such a disgusting way or even commit small crimes, their asylum status needs to be revoked immediately, put into preventive deportation imprisonment and they need to be deported back to where they came from. ÖVP+FPÖ need to act and throw all criminal refugees out of the country now ! If they cannot behave, they have no place here !


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on January 15, 2019, 12:18:14 am
Murder #4 tonight:

A 25-year old woman was killed by a 21-year old man at Vienna‘s Main Train Station.

https://derstandard.at/2000096227312/25-jaehrige-Frau-am-Wiener-Hauptbahnhof-mit-Messer-getoetet


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on January 15, 2019, 12:11:46 pm
Murder #4 tonight:

A 25-year old woman was killed by a 21-year old man at Vienna‘s Main Train Station.

https://derstandard.at/2000096227312/25-jaehrige-Frau-am-Wiener-Hauptbahnhof-mit-Messer-getoetet

The killer is a Spanish citizen and the victim his sister !

Very tragic background:

The killer, a Spanish citizen with Ethiopian origin, worked as a cook in Switzerland and Austria when he became a drug addict.

His 2 sisters, who lived in London, did fly to Vienna to talk with him and "rescue" him out of the drug scene. The older sister (33) had to watch her brother kill her younger sister ... :(

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https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/wien/25-Jaehrige-erstochen-Schwester-Killer-hatte-Liebeskummer/363836488

The FPÖ-led Interior Ministry has set up a task force today which will look into the increasing number of women being killed in Austria over the past year or so ...

About 70-90% of murder victims are women, which is abnormally high in an international context.

https://derstandard.at/2000096281586/Innenminister-Kickl-will-Gewalt-gegen-Frauen-besser-verhindern


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Omega21 on January 15, 2019, 03:01:22 pm
To be fair, the last murder most likely doesn't have a lot to do with him being non-European or from another culture, probably just a case of a junkie losing his mind.

The other 2 murders could have been prevented though (the one involving the Salafist and the one involving the Syrian criminal refugee).





Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Ye Olde Europe on January 15, 2019, 03:26:01 pm
About 70-90% of murder victims are women, which is abnormally high in an international context.

More like 58.5%. That is during the first eleven months of 2018, according to the Austrian Ministry of Interior:


https://www.welt.de/vermischtes/article187072758/Vier-Opfer-in-zwei-Wochen-Die-toten-Frauen-von-Oesterreich.html

https://www.wienerzeitung.at/nachrichten/wien/stadtleben/1013167_Immer-mehr-Frauen-als-Mordopfer.html


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on January 21, 2019, 11:37:45 am
32-year old Macedonian woman killed by her 36-year old Macedonian husband today, who stabbed her to death in a parking lot of a supermarket.

https://derstandard.at/2000096760199/32-Jaehrige-nach-Stichen-in-den-Halsbereich-in-Tulln-gestorben

That's the 5th murder in 3 weeks.

All of the victims so far were women. 4/5 killers were foreigners. 4/5 murders took place in Lower Austria, 1 in Vienna.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on January 21, 2019, 12:00:33 pm
1000 people came to a vigil in a small town in Lower Austria for the murdered 16-year old Austrian girl, who was killed by her boyfriend from Syria.

Today, another march is planned with more people to protest the recent wave of killings against women.

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Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Omega21 on January 22, 2019, 10:04:04 am
32-year old Macedonian woman killed by her 36-year old Macedonian husband today, who stabbed her to death in a parking lot of a supermarket.

https://derstandard.at/2000096760199/32-Jaehrige-nach-Stichen-in-den-Halsbereich-in-Tulln-gestorben

That's the 5th murder in 3 weeks.

All of the victims so far were women. 4/5 killers were foreigners. 4/5 murders took place in Lower Austria, 1 in Vienna.

Just a quick correction, he is Albanian.

Not like it matters very much, the poor woman is gone anyway.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Badger on January 24, 2019, 09:12:56 pm
Just discovered this thread, and oh my......

Tender is even more off his nut than I thought. Which is saying a lot.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Ye Olde Europe on January 25, 2019, 05:16:14 am
Just discovered this thread, and oh my......

Tender is even more off his nut than I thought. Which is saying a lot.

It comes across as a close-minded obsession which made me wonder about its psychological causes more than anything else tbh.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: dead0man on January 25, 2019, 06:43:14 am
He's posting about crime in Austria, and if the thread title is any indication, he's not being coy about it.  I understand the details might be a little embarassing to some political stripes, but that's ok, those people have a million things to be offended by (aren't the sheep still focused on a smirk and a hat?), this is just a blip.  Just drop by every few months to remind us that you're better and forget about it the rest of the time.  You'll need your energy for the next recrational outrage anyway.  I heard a black lesbian in a MAGA hat just got harassed inline at a CVS by a white lady while a bunch of Mountain Jews ran by eating bok choy and screaming about the gold standard.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Austere Religious Scholar on January 25, 2019, 06:45:54 am
He's posting about crime in Austria, and if the thread title is any indication, he's not being coy about it.

Actually I'm the one who named this thread when I merged dozens of separate threads made weekly by our friend Tender into one megathread.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Ye Olde Europe on January 25, 2019, 08:03:52 am
He's posting about crime in Austria, and if the thread title is any indication, he's not being coy about it.  I understand the details might be a little embarassing to some political stripes, but that's ok, those people have a million things to be offended by (aren't the sheep still focused on a smirk and a hat?), this is just a blip.  Just drop by every few months to remind us that you're better and forget about it the rest of the time.  You'll need your energy for the next recrational outrage anyway.  I heard a black lesbian in a MAGA hat just got harassed inline at a CVS by a white lady while a bunch of Mountain Jews ran by eating bok choy and screaming about the gold standard.

Ignoring the impertinent polemics, insults, and general rudeness for this post for a minute, it seems to me that Tender gets carried away way too much in his "un-coyness".

Aside from the fact that in his single-mindedness he's become apparently almost incapable to care about any other problems in the world (poverty? unemplyoment? environment? climate change? education? corruption? international crises? crime committed by non-Muslims? right-wing extremism? ), his view on facts the also seems to have started to get a bit distorted. Obvious example from the recent past would be his repeated claim in this thread that "90% of all murder victims in Austria are women", while in fact that number continues to lie between 55% and 60% (which means that more women than men are killed which is indeed a problem, but it's far from 90% which by the way would probably be a mathematical impossibilty).

Another thing that tends to annoy me about Tender is a certain discrepancy when it comes to his view on women. I seem to a remember a post by him from a year ago or so which in my eyes  bordered very closely on sexual harrassment towards Virginia. Another post that comes to mind was recently from this thread were Tender commented about a murdered women with words like "too bad, she was hot" (if she had been ugly, her murder would have been less bad?). This may have been some of the worst, but not the only examples were he came across as a bit... off. And that doesn't really seem to fit with his supposed concern for the well-being of Austrian women either. So I did wonder what's exactly going on in his head for a while. I hope it isn't a case of "damn, I'm unable to get a hot woman into my bed myself, while those stupid Muslims just rape them!". In any case, I was never able to believe that Tender's concern was fully... authentic.

As for myself... I admit that I tend to be easily triggered by topics like this. Let me explain where this comes from. I grew up in the 1990s in the East German state of Saxony-Anhalt. It certainly isn't the most political correct place on Earth. That starts with my own father who's the kind of guy who to this day comments "here comes the Balkan mafia" when he sees a couple of Southern European looking man walking on the streets. But that's just - as you put it - a blip.

For instance, in my high school class was a group of boys who to put it bluntly were very much into racism. On one school trip, they convinced the driver of our bus to play some of their right-wing extremist music on the loudspeakers of the bus. The lyrics of one song was something along the lines of "Stab the Turk into his belly 20, 30, 40 times..." I remember that the bus driver happened to enjoy these songs very much. What I don't recall is an intervention by the accompanying teachers or any other noticable repercussions from or debate about that or similar incidents. Unfortunately, around the same time I happened to be frequent victim of bullying attacks from the same groups of boys. The worst incident I'm able to remember in that regard is to be spat upon by them for their entertainment. And going by some Facebook profiles I've seen in recent years many of these classmates seem to have grown into argent AfD voters nowadays. And I certainly wouldn't rule out that things got blended a bit in mind so that I started equating saying negative things about immigrants with being bullied or something.

Several depressions and a psychotherapy later the European refugee crisis of 2015 happened and I was working at a job where I quickly learned that refugee crisis must have been a welcome pretext for many people to finally act like the assholes they always wanted to be. Suddenly I found myself filing complaints with the police or being subpoenad as a court witness, mostly due to death threats we received. People started to describe in detail how they wanted to poke out the eyes and cut off the tongue and rape people who supported more liberal immigrations policies. Or that they intended to buy a Kalashnikov for the same reason. And this went on on almost a daily basis for more than a year. Fair to say that this experience changed me. I seem to recall that 10 or more years ago I tried to put a lot in emphasis on being the reasonable, moderate, consensus-oriented guy. It was sometime during 2016 that I simply stopped to care about such things. Now I often simply wanted to see the world burn.

As for why I recently returned to this forum.... to tell you the truth I was on sick leave until last week for worsening depression and insomnia and therefore I had not much to do at home. I'm on antidepressents again now (the last time was 2015-2017) so things are starting to get a bit better right now.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on January 25, 2019, 10:53:48 am
Just discovered this thread, and oh my......

Tender is even more off his nut than I thought. Which is saying a lot.

He's posting about crime in Austria, and if the thread title is any indication, he's not being coy about it.  I understand the details might be a little embarassing to some political stripes, but that's ok, those people have a million things to be offended by (aren't the sheep still focused on a smirk and a hat?), this is just a blip.  Just drop by every few months to remind us that you're better and forget about it the rest of the time.  You'll need your energy for the next recrational outrage anyway.  I heard a black lesbian in a MAGA hat just got harassed inline at a CVS by a white lady while a bunch of Mountain Jews ran by eating bok choy and screaming about the gold standard.

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There is nothing wrong with posting about these things. And you can interpret what you want.

Fact is, these things need to be addressed and measures taken to prevent future such cases. The best way to do so is to deport (or not let into the country) the people who are responsible for 50% of the rape and murder cases here (you cannot deport the Austrians). If fewer of the culture-hostile people are coming and more of those that are already here are deported, a lot of women can be saved from being raped in the future and many people prevented from being killed.

That's quite a common-sense thing (even though I fully understand that you guys don't agree, because according to you it doesn't matter if some more people are being raped and killed).


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on January 25, 2019, 11:00:28 am
@ Old Europe:

Sad to hear the thing with the depression and anti-depressants. I hope you get well soon and I want to notice that it is nothing against you or any other personally, but more the naive, stubborn politically-correct ideology behind you guys that you think cannot be changed. It can and it is good that these developments are changed.

Also: I referred to 80-90% of murder victims being women here, this is correct. But is was more about the recent murders, where in fact 80-90% were women. In 2019 so far, there were 5 murders and all 5 were women. So, 100%. It doesn't really matter if it's 60%, 70%, 80%, 90% or 100%. We have a problem when more than 52% of murder victims are women.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on January 25, 2019, 11:20:29 am
For instance, in my high school class was a group of boys who to put it bluntly were very much into racism. On one school trip, they convinced the driver of our bus to play some of their right-wing extremist music on the loudspeakers of the bus. The lyrics of one song was something along the lines of "Stab the Turk into his belly 20, 30, 40 times..." I remember that the bus driver happened to enjoy these songs very much. What I don't recall is an intervention by the accompanying teachers or any other noticable repercussions from or debate about that or similar incidents. Unfortunately, around the same time I happened to be frequent victim of bullying attacks from the same groups of boys. The worst incident I'm able to remember in that regard is to be spat upon by them for their entertainment. And going by some Facebook profiles I've seen in recent years many of these classmates seem to have grown into argent AfD voters nowadays. And I certainly wouldn't rule out that things got blended a bit in mind so that I started equating saying negative things about immigrants with being bullied or something.

Several depressions and a psychotherapy later the European refugee crisis of 2015 happened and I was working at a job where I quickly learned that refugee crisis must have been a welcome pretext for many people to finally act like the assholes they always wanted to be. Suddenly I found myself filing complaints with the police or being subpoenad as a court witness, mostly due to death threats we received. People started to describe in detail how they wanted to poke out the eyes and cut off the tongue and rape people who supported more liberal immigrations policies. Or that they intended to buy a Kalashnikov for the same reason. And this went on on almost a daily basis for more than a year. Fair to say that this experience changed me. I seem to recall that 10 or more years ago I tried to put a lot in emphasis on being the reasonable, moderate, consensus-oriented guy. It was sometime during 2016 that I simply stopped to care about such things. Now I often simply wanted to see the world burn.

As for why I recently returned to this forum.... to tell you the truth I was on sick leave until last week for worsening depression and insomnia and therefore I had not much to do at home. I'm on antidepressents again now (the last time was 2015-2017) so things are starting to get a bit better right now.

Disgusting. Those were literal Nazis and bullies. Sad that you had to go through this, but yeah, parts of East Germany were pretty bad in the 1990s, especially if you were a leftist.

Still, that has nothing to do with me because I'm more the "reasonable, moderate, consensus-oriented guy" that you talked about you were yourself some 10 years ago. Maybe, to get better, you need to get back to that state by accepting some restrictions to uncontrolled/unchecked immigration and all the negative results it brings ---


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on January 26, 2019, 10:49:42 am
6th murder in 4 weeks and another woman as victim:

"64-year old retired woman found dead in her apartment in Lower Austria."

https://derstandard.at/2000097069350/Pensionistin-tot-in-Wohnung-im-Bezirk-Bruck-an-der-Leitha

100% women as victims so far this year.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on February 06, 2019, 02:10:46 pm
A new low:

An asylum seeker has killed a leading welfare agency worker today in Vorarlberg. He escaped and was then arrested, saying to police he killed the welfare agency worker because "he felt things were not playing out well enough for him" (he only filed a request for asylum last month).

https://kurier.at/chronik/oesterreich/toedliche-messerattacke-auf-beamten-in-dornbirn/400399871


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on February 06, 2019, 02:13:42 pm
A new low:

An asylum seeker has killed a leading welfare agency worker today in Vorarlberg. He escaped and was then arrested, saying to police he killed the welfare agency worker because "he felt things were not playing out well enough for him" (he only filed a request for asylum last month).

https://kurier.at/chronik/oesterreich/toedliche-messerattacke-auf-beamten-in-dornbirn/400399871

+ murder #8 (another woman as victim):

39-year old woman murdered by her 31-year old partner in Vienna. The man then lived 2 weeks (!) next to the decomposing body ...

https://kurier.at/chronik/wien/39-jaehrige-tot-aufgefunden-es-war-kein-mord/400399157


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on February 07, 2019, 01:06:29 pm
A new low:

An asylum seeker has killed a leading welfare agency worker today in Vorarlberg. He escaped and was then arrested, saying to police he killed the welfare agency worker because "he felt things were not playing out well enough for him" (he only filed a request for asylum last month).

https://kurier.at/chronik/oesterreich/toedliche-messerattacke-auf-beamten-in-dornbirn/400399871

He apparently screamed in the building: „I want the welfare money. Give me the welfare money !“

... and then cut the throat of the employee.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on February 07, 2019, 01:22:00 pm
Too often, the illegal immigrant bastard perpetrators are in the spotlight ...

Let us remember 49-year old welfare worker Alexander A. instead, a father of 2 sons - killed brutally by a deluded illegal asylum seeker yesterday:

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Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on February 09, 2019, 09:14:03 am
Disgusting:

1 Macedonian killed and 2 others seriously injured in front of a bar in Upper Austria last night after 2 groups of foreign origin tried to kill each other in a knife-fight. 9 people were arrested and/or taken to hospital, where the fight continued ...

https://diepresse.com/home/panorama/oesterreich/5576759/Mann-bei-Massenschlaegerei-in-Oberoesterreich-getoetet


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on February 09, 2019, 01:48:38 pm
Murder #10 in the afternoon today in Vienna:

A 38-year old Bosnian woman has stabbed to death her 40-year old Bosnian husband in front of their 15-year old daughter.

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/wien/Ehefrau-toetete-Mann-mit-Kuechenmesser/367365752

This is gonna be a murderous year 2019 ... just 40 days and at least 10 murders already.

7/10 victims are female and 7/10 perpetrators are foreigners.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Omega21 on February 09, 2019, 09:52:15 pm
Murder #10 in the afternoon today in Vienna:

A 38-year old Bosnian woman has stabbed to death her 40-year old Bosnian husband in front of their 15-year old daughter.

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/wien/Ehefrau-toetete-Mann-mit-Kuechenmesser/367365752

This is gonna be a murderous year 2019 ... just 40 days and at least 10 murders already.

7/10 victims are female and 7/10 perpetrators are foreigners.

"Das Opfer soll bosnischer, die Täterin österreichischer Herkunft sein".

6/10 foreign you mean? :P


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on February 10, 2019, 01:26:07 am
Murder #10 in the afternoon today in Vienna:

A 38-year old Bosnian woman has stabbed to death her 40-year old Bosnian husband in front of their 15-year old daughter.

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/wien/Ehefrau-toetete-Mann-mit-Kuechenmesser/367365752

This is gonna be a murderous year 2019 ... just 40 days and at least 10 murders already.

7/10 victims are female and 7/10 perpetrators are foreigners.

"Das Opfer soll bosnischer, die Täterin österreichischer Herkunft sein".

6/10 foreign you mean? :P

The earlier version of the article mentioned that both were Bosnians, so she probably has Austrian citizenship with a Bosnian migration background ...


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Omega21 on February 10, 2019, 09:41:23 am
Murder #10 in the afternoon today in Vienna:

A 38-year old Bosnian woman has stabbed to death her 40-year old Bosnian husband in front of their 15-year old daughter.

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/wien/Ehefrau-toetete-Mann-mit-Kuechenmesser/367365752

This is gonna be a murderous year 2019 ... just 40 days and at least 10 murders already.

7/10 victims are female and 7/10 perpetrators are foreigners.

"Das Opfer soll bosnischer, die Täterin österreichischer Herkunft sein".

6/10 foreign you mean? :P

The earlier version of the article mentioned that both were Bosnians, so she probably has Austrian citizenship with a Bosnian migration background ...

I don't think so since "Herkunft" in a lot of cases refers to the ancestry, not the nationality (citizenship).

Either way, definitely a lot of murders considering the year just started.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on February 12, 2019, 12:51:14 pm
Murder #10 in the afternoon today in Vienna:

A 38-year old Bosnian woman has stabbed to death her 40-year old Bosnian husband in front of their 15-year old daughter.

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/wien/Ehefrau-toetete-Mann-mit-Kuechenmesser/367365752

This is gonna be a murderous year 2019 ... just 40 days and at least 10 murders already.

7/10 victims are female and 7/10 perpetrators are foreigners.

"Das Opfer soll bosnischer, die Täterin österreichischer Herkunft sein".

6/10 foreign you mean? :P

The earlier version of the article mentioned that both were Bosnians, so she probably has Austrian citizenship with a Bosnian migration background ...

I don't think so since "Herkunft" in a lot of cases refers to the ancestry, not the nationality (citizenship).

Either way, definitely a lot of murders considering the year just started.

Her first name was "Jasmina", so it's very likely that she's of Bosnian/Balkan origin.

Virtually no native Austrian woman would be named "Jasmina", but "Jasmin".

https://www.heute.at/oesterreich/wien/story/DJ-Mord--U-Haft-ueber-Verdaechtige-verhaengt--56815847


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Omega21 on February 12, 2019, 02:45:05 pm
Murder #10 in the afternoon today in Vienna:

A 38-year old Bosnian woman has stabbed to death her 40-year old Bosnian husband in front of their 15-year old daughter.

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/wien/Ehefrau-toetete-Mann-mit-Kuechenmesser/367365752

This is gonna be a murderous year 2019 ... just 40 days and at least 10 murders already.

7/10 victims are female and 7/10 perpetrators are foreigners.

"Das Opfer soll bosnischer, die Täterin österreichischer Herkunft sein".

6/10 foreign you mean? :P

The earlier version of the article mentioned that both were Bosnians, so she probably has Austrian citizenship with a Bosnian migration background ...

I don't think so since "Herkunft" in a lot of cases refers to the ancestry, not the nationality (citizenship).

Either way, definitely a lot of murders considering the year just started.

Her first name was "Jasmina", so it's very likely that she's of Bosnian/Balkan origin.

Virtually no native Austrian woman would be named "Jasmina", but "Jasmin".

https://www.heute.at/oesterreich/wien/story/DJ-Mord--U-Haft-ueber-Verdaechtige-verhaengt--56815847

Oh yeah, he's Bosniak and she's probably Bosniak too, definitely not Austrian.

Either way a tragic story, but at least it could not be prevented (as opposed to not deported criminal migrants doing something similar after already accumulating a record in Europe).


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on February 12, 2019, 11:54:58 pm
#11:

A Bosnian has killed his Serb ex-girlfriend yesterday night in Vienna on the street, by shooting her in the head. He later killed himself as well.

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/wien/Wien-Meidling-52-Jaehriger-toetete-Ex-Freundin-mit-Kopfschuss-vor-Lokal/367804942


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Omega21 on February 13, 2019, 08:09:56 am
#11:

A Bosnian has killed his Serb ex-girlfriend yesterday night in Vienna on the street, by shooting her in the head. He later killed himself as well.

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/wien/Wien-Meidling-52-Jaehriger-toetete-Ex-Freundin-mit-Kopfschuss-vor-Lokal/367804942

Update:

She seems to be still alive, but in a coma, so hopefully she makes it.

Quote
Polizei bestätigt: Das Opfer ist noch am Leben.

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/wien/48-Jaehrige-im-Koma-Schuetze-tot/367852721

What does not surprise me is the illegal gun, as weapons were very available after the war.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Austere Religious Scholar on February 28, 2019, 02:41:50 pm
This thread is biased in a quite unacceptable way. It doesn't report on the crimes taking places below floor level.

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Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Omega21 on February 28, 2019, 03:40:27 pm
This thread is biased in a quite unacceptable way. It doesn't report on the crimes taking places below floor level.

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I don't get it?

He posted about every murder this year, not just the ones committed by migrants.

The fact that migrant committed crime is disproportionately high does not make it biased, and that's coming from a non-EU migrant living in Vienna.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on March 01, 2019, 12:04:20 am
This thread is biased in a quite unacceptable way. It doesn't report on the crimes taking places below floor level.

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I don't get it?

He posted about every murder this year, not just the ones committed by migrants.

The fact that migrant committed crime is disproportionately high does not make it biased, and that's coming from a non-EU migrant living in Vienna.

Not surprising ...

That‘s typical about the murder and rape defenders like Kalwejt: defend them and smear the messenger, in this case me because I report about these crimes.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Austere Religious Scholar on March 03, 2019, 09:26:30 am
This thread is biased in a quite unacceptable way. It doesn't report on the crimes taking places below floor level.

(Image Link)

I don't get it?

He posted about every murder this year, not just the ones committed by migrants.

The fact that migrant committed crime is disproportionately high does not make it biased, and that's coming from a non-EU migrant living in Vienna.

Not surprising ...

That‘s typical about the murder and rape defenders like Kalwejt: defend them and smear the messenger, in this case me because I report about these crimes.

The Soros' foundation directed me to smear you. I need to pay the rent, but privately don't care about your night life.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on March 09, 2019, 06:56:27 am
A popular 57-year old ski restuarant chef in Salzburg has apparently been stabbed to death by his 30-year old Romanian wife.

The man was found dead with a knife in his chest. The wife turned herself in to police.

The man was popular with Austrian and International skiers, such as Hermann Maier - who liked to visit his ski restaurant.

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/salzburg/Festnahme-nach-Tod-von-Promi-Wirt/371100324


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: dead0man on March 09, 2019, 07:25:44 am
The women are fighting back!


(and a 57 yo chef married to a foreigner half his age is probably going to be a giant asshole, likely a little violent, certainly yells a lot....she's probably better off with....what do you get for murder in Austria, 6 months?, she's probably better off in prison for 6 months than stuck with him)


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on March 09, 2019, 08:26:23 am
The women are fighting back!

(and a 57 yo chef married to a foreigner half his age is probably going to be a giant asshole, likely a little violent, certainly yells a lot....she's probably better off with....what do you get for murder in Austria, 6 months?, she's probably better off in prison for 6 months than stuck with him)

Either that or she's a Gold-digger ... :P

PS: 15-25 years for murder is the usual average sentence. Killers with a form of mental illness get that + they are locked up after that until they are deemed "cured".


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Omega21 on March 09, 2019, 12:05:40 pm
The women are fighting back!

(and a 57 yo chef married to a foreigner half his age is probably going to be a giant asshole, likely a little violent, certainly yells a lot....she's probably better off with....what do you get for murder in Austria, 6 months?, she's probably better off in prison for 6 months than stuck with him)

Either that or she's a Gold-digger ... :P

PS: 15-25 years for murder is the usual average sentence. Killers with a form of mental illness get that + they are locked up after that until they are deemed "cured".

Obviously, she will get less if she can prove abuse in the household, such as old marks on her body etc.

As Tender said, murderers get locked up for quite some time, the only difference being that the prisons are more comfortable than in the US, so I guess maybe you can drop the soap sometimes lol.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on March 24, 2019, 12:47:30 am
Murder #13:

A 76-year old woman (the mother of a police officer) was killed by an unknown person in her Lower Austria home.

https://www.heute.at/oesterreich/niederoesterreich/story/Mordverdacht-Bezirk-Neunkirchen-70-Jaehrige-tot-in-Wohnung-aufgefunden-52388897

That is the 6th murder in Lower Austria so far, all victims there are women.

Among all 13 Austrian murder victims, 9 are women.

6 are from Lower Austria, 4 from Vienna and 1 each from Vorarlberg, Salzburg and Upper Austria.

9 of the 13 killers are foreigners, 3 Austrians and 1 unknown.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on March 24, 2019, 03:37:54 am
Murder #13:

A 76-year old woman (the mother of a police officer) was killed by an unknown person in her Lower Austria home.

https://www.heute.at/oesterreich/niederoesterreich/story/Mordverdacht-Bezirk-Neunkirchen-70-Jaehrige-tot-in-Wohnung-aufgefunden-52388897

That is the 6th murder in Lower Austria so far, all victims there are women.

Among all 13 Austrian murder victims, 9 are women.

6 are from Lower Austria, 4 from Vienna and 1 each from Vorarlberg, Salzburg and Upper Austria.

9 of the 13 killers are foreigners, 3 Austrians and 1 unknown.

A suspect has been arrested, the 28-year old grandson of the woman. He apparently beat and stabbed her to death. Both the woman and killer are Austrian citizens.

https://derstandard.at/2000100108683/Enkel-nach-Mord-an-Pensionistin-im-Bezirk-Neunkirchen-festgenommen


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Meclazine on March 26, 2019, 10:29:17 am
Slick Austrian far-right dude received thousands of dollars from Australian far-right dude who became a mass killer.

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-26/austrian-far-right-activist-probe-over-new-zealand-shootings/10942764


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on March 27, 2019, 05:48:28 am
Slick Austrian far-right dude received thousands of dollars from Australian far-right dude who became a mass killer.

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-26/austrian-far-right-activist-probe-over-new-zealand-shootings/10942764

Yes.

And ÖVP-FPÖ now want to dissolve the Identitarian Movement because of it, they said today.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on March 30, 2019, 10:18:28 am
Murder #14:

A 21-year old has killed his mother yesterday night in Carinthia, by beating her to death with a wooden chair after an argument. The 21-year old has a history of violence and a criminal background.

https://kaernten.orf.at/news/stories/2973093


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on April 02, 2019, 11:05:51 am
Murder #15:

A 27-year old Hungarian woman killed her 32-year old Tunisian boyfriend in Vienna by stabbing him to death, then dismembered his body and transported the body parts to the Hungary home of her mother.

The 2 women then purchased 10 liters of salt acid in a shop, but the body would not fully dissolve - so they dumped the remains in a river. Too bad for them that the shop employee informed the police about the acid purchase ...

https://wien.orf.at/news/stories/2973521


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Joe Republic on April 04, 2019, 01:34:22 pm
15 homicides in three months?!  How is this even newsworthy?  Turn on the TV anywhere in America; I’ll even let you filter out the deaths caused by our ocean of barely regulated guns if you like.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on April 04, 2019, 01:37:40 pm
15 homicides in three months?!  How is this even newsworthy?  Turn on the TV anywhere in America; I’ll even let you filter out the deaths caused by our ocean of barely regulated guns if you like.

I know very well about the abnormally high murder rate in the US.

But this is a thread about Austrian crime, not US crime.

You have all the other Forum space to post crime in the US.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Joe Republic on April 04, 2019, 01:54:17 pm
By all means, keep posting about your laughably provincial little backwater.  Watch out, I hear Frau Fetterarsch just had her purse snatched!  Pay closer attention, Tender - we need more details!


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Omega21 on April 04, 2019, 02:35:54 pm
By all means, keep posting about your laughably provincial little backwater.  Watch out, I hear Frau Fetterarsch just had her purse snatched!  Pay closer attention, Tender - we need more details!

Just because your murder rate is out of control, doesn't mean that the rest of the world should use your situation as a "measure" for anything.



Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Joe Republic on April 04, 2019, 04:10:44 pm
^ Let’s not continue to play along with Tender’s assertion that “I’m just reporting the facts!”  The actual point, in case anybody reading it is too stupid to have figured it out, is to carefully highlight the murders committed by immigrants.  This thread wouldn’t exist otherwise, and everyone knows it.

The teensy problem here is that 15 murders in three months is pathetically insignificant (other than to the victims’ families o/c).  0.00017% of the Austrian population... THERES BLOOD FLOWING IN THE STREETS!!!1  Tender’s obsessive mission to scapegoat and stereotype immigrants as lawless murderers is weakened by this inconvenient fact.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Austere Religious Scholar on April 04, 2019, 05:51:52 pm
Joe made an excellent point, as usual.

Beside, I'm starting to think whether this thread, especially the way its being presented, does belong to a "political discussion" board, or should go somewhere else.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Lord Halifax on April 04, 2019, 06:52:19 pm
Joe made an excellent point, as usual.

Beside, I'm starting to think whether this thread, especially the way its being presented, does belong to a "political discussion" board, or should go somewhere else.

It's basically OT.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on April 04, 2019, 11:12:15 pm
By all means, keep posting about your laughably provincial little backwater.  Watch out, I hear Frau Fetterarsch just had her purse snatched!  Pay closer attention, Tender - we need more details!

Sry that I cannot report on some guy shooting down from a hotel and killing 100 people in my thread all the time, so I will continue to stick to my laughably provincial little backwater instead and worry if the purse of Ms. Fatass has been stolen or not and if a foreigner was involved.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on April 06, 2019, 12:40:29 pm
Austria's ICE really likes drama:

In Salzburg, an Austrian woman wanted to marry a man from Gambia recently, who she met in Italy 4 years ago.

Austria's deportation officers busted the couple 3 minutes before they started with the marriage and before they signed it.

The man, who was illegally in Austria, has been brought to Vienna for deportation imprisonment. He's a so-called "Dublin case", someone who has filed for asylum already in Italy and then travelled to Austria illegally to stay with his girlfriend. He will be returned to Italy soon (and probably will sneak into Austria again somehow, I'm sure).

https://derstandard.at/2000100944174/Braeutigam-kurz-vor-der-Hochzeit-in-Schubhaft-genommen

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/salzburg/Braeutigam-festgenommen-Braut-flehte-Polizisten-an-Bitte-lasst-uns-doch-heiraten/375109499


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on April 10, 2019, 11:06:32 am
Disgusting 16th murder + story in Innsbruck:

https://www.krone.at/1901000

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/tirol/Innsbruck-Rachemord-nach-versuchter-Vergewaltigung/375632690

3 Indians (or one or two of them) killed a convicted Pakistani child rapist asylum seeker after he tried to rape one of the Indian women in an apartment.

They killed him by cutting his throat and also cut off an arm (!).

All 3 Indians (2 women, 1 man) were arrested for further investigation.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on April 18, 2019, 02:56:13 am
An Australian (!) newspaper has a good report about anti-Muslim talk and attacks in Austria:

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/muslim-women-in-this-european-country-are-being-attacked-at-an-unprecedented-rate

=> Tender reporting about anti-Muslim crime ! What is happening ?!?

(the article is a bit alarmist though, because there are now ca. 850.000 Muslims living in Austria and the number of anti-Muslim hate crimes that were reported last year was around 500, up from around 200 before the mass-immigration of 2014-16. An increase for sure, but not a huge increase.)


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on April 18, 2019, 04:13:18 am
#17:

In Vorarlberg, a 43-year old man has stabbed to death his 18-year old son and then killed himself also by stabbing. The mother and younger brother were not at the house during the murder, but in a shelter for abused women. So, probably there was a history of domestic abuse.

https://www.krone.at/1906500


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on April 22, 2019, 10:45:27 am
LOL:

Austrian prison escapee returns, fed up with life in the sun

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A man who says he fled an Austrian prison over a decade ago has turned himself in to police in Salzburg, telling them he was fed up with living in Spain’s Canary Islands.

Police said the 64-year-old, carrying two suitcases, went to police at Salzburg’s railway station Saturday night and told them he was a fugitive prisoner who had just arrived from Munich Airport.

They said in a statement Monday that he told officers he had spent the past 10 ½ years on Tenerife, a popular vacation island, and wanted to return home because “Tenerife is not as nice as it used to be and he had lived there long enough.”

Police verified that he had fled a prison in eastern Austria. He was taken to a Salzburg jail.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/austrian-prison-escapee-returns-fed-up-of-life-in-the-sun/2019/04/22/8be0338c-64f2-11e9-a698-2a8f808c9cfb_story.html


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Austere Religious Scholar on April 22, 2019, 01:39:35 pm
LOL:

Austrian prison escapee returns, fed up with life in the sun

A penitent thief turning himself over during the Easter. You guys should nail him to something to make it complete.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on April 29, 2019, 11:15:08 pm
#18:

A 27-year old Austrian guy named David B. was stabbed to death in front of his 24-year old girlfriend at a park in Vorarlberg, probably by their Albanian dealer.

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/vorarlberg/Mord-in-Vorarlberg-Jagd-auf-Dealer/377867077


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Mopolis on April 30, 2019, 07:19:14 am
15 homicides in three months?!  How is this even newsworthy?  Turn on the TV anywhere in America; I’ll even let you filter out the deaths caused by our ocean of barely regulated guns if you like.

Austria doesn't have Negroes, you see.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Austere Religious Scholar on April 30, 2019, 10:31:25 am
#18:

A 27-year old Austrian guy named David B. was stabbed to death in front of his 24-year old girlfriend at a park in Vorarlberg, probably by their Albanian dealer.

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/vorarlberg/Mord-in-Vorarlberg-Jagd-auf-Dealer/377867077

RIP :'(


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on May 04, 2019, 12:09:38 am
The 2018 crime statistics are out and there were 60 cases of (completed) homicide last year, in which 73 people were murdered. Together with attempted murder, there were ca. 200 cases.

That is about twice the number of 2014, which was a record-low year - but still below the 100+ murder cases of the 1980s.

Also, rape cases and knife attacks have reached a new high, with every 2nd rapist being a foreigner. Rapes have doubled, knife attacks tripled since 2008.

In total, the number of reported crimes have dropped below 500.000 cases for the first time since 1999 and the clearance rate has reached a new high.

https://www.bundeskriminalamt.at/501/files/PKS_18_Broschuere.pdf


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Omega21 on May 04, 2019, 02:17:48 pm
The 2018 crime statistics are out and there were 60 cases of (completed) homicide last year, in which 73 people were murdered. Together with attempted murder, there were ca. 200 cases.

That is about twice the number of 2014, which was a record-low year - but still below the 100+ murder cases of the 1980s.

Also, rape cases and knife attacks have reached a new high, with every 2nd rapist being a foreigner. Rapes have doubled, knife attacks tripled since 2008.

In total, the number of reported crimes have dropped below 500.000 cases for the first time since 1999 and the clearance rate has reached a new high.

https://www.bundeskriminalamt.at/501/files/PKS_18_Broschuere.pdf

Has the current Govt done something to increase sentences and deport more violent foreign offenders?

I know deportations are up, but that encompasses mostly rejected Asylum seekers.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on May 12, 2019, 03:01:28 am
The 2018 crime statistics are out and there were 60 cases of (completed) homicide last year, in which 73 people were murdered. Together with attempted murder, there were ca. 200 cases.

That is about twice the number of 2014, which was a record-low year - but still below the 100+ murder cases of the 1980s.

Also, rape cases and knife attacks have reached a new high, with every 2nd rapist being a foreigner. Rapes have doubled, knife attacks tripled since 2008.

In total, the number of reported crimes have dropped below 500.000 cases for the first time since 1999 and the clearance rate has reached a new high.

https://www.bundeskriminalamt.at/501/files/PKS_18_Broschuere.pdf

Has the current Govt done something to increase sentences and deport more violent foreign offenders?

I know deportations are up, but that encompasses mostly rejected Asylum seekers.

Yes to both. They increased some sentences for violent and sexually motivated crimes (rapes, violence against children) and stepped up deportations in general (even though it is often quite difficult, because many countries are not taking back their people. So better not let them into Austria in the first place. Also, the government is trying to send back more imprisoned non-citizens to their home countries, so they can serve their time there instead of crowding our prisons (55% of prisoners in Austria are foreigners).


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on May 12, 2019, 03:03:26 am
#19:

Lower Austria: A 85-year old man shot and killed his 80-year old wife, then killing himself - with the legally owned gun. The woman was very ill and in need of care recently and a farewell letter was found.

https://kurier.at/chronik/niederoesterreich/familientragoedie-im-mostviertel-mord-und-selbstmord/400483108


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on June 15, 2019, 06:20:00 am
A 26-year old Pole has stabbed to death another 24-year old Pole in Vienna yesterday night.

https://www.krone.at/1942299

(I have not reported some 5 additional murder cases over the past few weeks, bringing the total to about 25 so far this year.)


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Austere Religious Scholar on June 15, 2019, 06:25:37 am
A 26-year old Pole has stabbed to death another 24-year old Pole in Vienna yesterday night.

https://www.krone.at/1942299

(I have not reported some 5 additional murder cases over the past few weeks, bringing the total to about 25 so far this year.)

Polish killfugees are the worst.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on June 19, 2019, 11:27:32 pm
Iraqi arsonist sets fire to multiple gov't buildings in Austria

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VIENNA, June 19 (Xinhua) -- An arsonist has set fire to several government buildings in the inner-city area of the Austrian city of Graz on Wednesday morning causing a large-scale police response, though no injuries have been reported as yet.

According to local media reports the perpetrator was a 45-year-old Iraqi, who attempted to set fire to the Graz city hall, a district authority building, a district court and a train station.

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-06/19/c_138156632.htm


(Sorry, but you're not allowed to quote the entire article, no matter how brief)


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Ye Olde Europe on June 23, 2019, 12:15:14 pm
I played soccer in Berlin-Neukölln this afternoon, with a Nigerian man and a German woman among others. The Nigerian didn't rape the woman, but he won the match. Afterwards I had spinach cake in some hipster coffee shop and it did in fact taste a bit like spinach.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: parochial boy on June 23, 2019, 12:21:24 pm
I played soccer in Berlin-Neukölln this afternoon, with a Nigerian man and a German woman among others. The Nigerian didn't rape the woman, but he won the match. Afterwards I had spinach cake in some hipster coffee shop and it did in fact taste a bit like spinach.
Careful, I once mentioned that I sat next to a Somali girl at work and got called an "emotional leftist" as a result


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: TheDeadFlagBlues on June 23, 2019, 01:12:01 pm
(Let's be a little more subtle with trolling Tender)


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Austere Religious Scholar on June 23, 2019, 02:38:44 pm
I played soccer in Berlin-Neukölln this afternoon, with a Nigerian man and a German woman among others. The Nigerian didn't rape the woman, but he won the match. Afterwards I had spinach cake in some hipster coffee shop and it did in fact taste a bit like spinach.

Just because he didn't do it this time doesn't mean he won't do it sometime later. He should probably be questioned by the authorities to figure out what is going on.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on July 23, 2019, 02:50:39 pm
A 14-year old has stabbed to death his mother today in Lower Austria:

https://noe.orf.at/stories/3005605


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on July 27, 2019, 11:34:42 pm
A professional 27-year old triathlete was hit by a car last week while cycling and was abducted to the home of a 33-year old with significant mental problems. She was stripped to a chair naked, but then got to leave the house after complimenting on her abductor's orchid collection:

https://news.yahoo.com/austrian-triathlete-nathalie-birli-survives-135542044.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathalie_Birli


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: dead0man on July 28, 2019, 01:33:27 pm
A professional 27-year old triathlete was hit by a car last week while cycling and was abducted to the home of a 33-year old with significant mental problems. She was stripped to a chair naked, but then got to leave the house after complimenting on her abductor's orchid collection:

https://news.yahoo.com/austrian-triathlete-nathalie-birli-survives-135542044.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathalie_Birli
in the US we'd blame Reagan for this, who do you guys blame when a crazy person does something crazy?


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on August 10, 2019, 01:56:18 am
A 31-year old Moroccan wanted to kill a 19-year old with a machete yesterday at a public square in Innsbruck:

https://diepresse.com/home/panorama/oesterreich/5671972/31Jaehriger-nach-MachetenAttacke-in-Innsbruck-festgenommen

https://www.tz.de/welt/mord-in-stuttgart-es-war-ein-samurai-schwert-so-kam-mann-zur-waffe-zr-12878197.html

The 19-year old was badly injured, but survived after emergency surgery.

The case is similar to the recent one in Germany, where a fake refugee (a Palestinian posing as a Syrian "refugee") killed a Kazakh with a sword on the street. He came as a fake refugee to Germany during the 2015 immigrant swamp only for the purpose to collect welfare money from the German state ...


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on August 17, 2019, 02:52:04 am
A 38-year old Romanian citizen killed an 83-year old Austrian woman yesterday on a street in Lower Austria, out of rage for losing his job:

https://noe.orf.at/stories/3008935

He stabbed her to death at a bus station.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on August 17, 2019, 07:36:46 am
What a murderous weekend ...

In Lower Austria, a 54-year old police officer was found dead at a camping site. He was there on vacation with his wife and the cause of death was "fatally hit by car". His wife is the main suspect and she's currently in a mental facility.

https://noe.orf.at/magazin/stories/3008892

And in Carinthia, a 9-month pregnant woman was found dead in her bathtub. The 31-year old woman has 3 small children (2 of which were in the apartment during the murder). A suspect was seen leaving the apartment.

https://kaernten.orf.at/stories/3008972


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on August 24, 2019, 11:31:29 pm
There were 4 murders in the past week, 35 so far this year:

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/4-Morde-in-sieben-Tagen/394380137

In addition to the two cases I posted above, a football fan club leader was killed in Vienna by a 17-year old (nationality unknown so far).

And in Tyrol, a 20-year old Afghan refugee was killed and another Afghan injured by a group of 10 people in front of a fastfood restaurant. A 19-year old Austrian and a Russian citizen were arrested, but others from the group remain at large.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on September 27, 2019, 06:41:30 am
A 19 year old Afghan refugee has been found strangled to death at a kids playground here in Zell am See on Sunday.

Another 19 year old Afghan refugee was arrested yesterday in Salzburg City for the murder.

It was about drugs and one of them received a deportation letter not long ago.

https://salzburg.orf.at/stories/3014718


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on October 06, 2019, 03:35:01 am
A man has killed 5 people during the night in the popular ski resort of Kitzbühel, which is not far away from here.

https://www.tt.com/panorama/verbrechen/16131451/fuenffachmord-in-kitzbuehel-taeter-stellte-sich-der-polizei

The man turned himself in at the police today and told them it was a family/relationship-related act.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on October 06, 2019, 05:54:25 am
A man has killed 5 people during the night in the popular ski resort of Kitzbühel, which is not far away from here.

https://www.tt.com/panorama/verbrechen/16131451/fuenffachmord-in-kitzbuehel-taeter-stellte-sich-der-polizei

The man turned himself in at the police today and told them it was a family/relationship-related act.

The perpetrator is a 25-year old local Austrian, who went to the home of his ex-girlfriend (19) at 4am in the morning.

Her father opened the door and told him to go home.

The 25-year old went home, took the (legally owned) firearm of his brother from a safe and went back. Once again the father of his ex-gf opened and he shot him dead.

Then he killed the mother and 25-year old brother of hix ex.

Then he went to the room of his ex, where she and her new boyfriend were sleeping and shot them dead as well.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on October 07, 2019, 11:02:26 am
A man has killed 5 people during the night in the popular ski resort of Kitzbühel, which is not far away from here.

https://www.tt.com/panorama/verbrechen/16131451/fuenffachmord-in-kitzbuehel-taeter-stellte-sich-der-polizei

The man turned himself in at the police today and told them it was a family/relationship-related act.

The perpetrator is a 25-year old local Austrian, who went to the home of his ex-girlfriend (19) at 4am in the morning.

Her father opened the door and told him to go home.

The 25-year old went home, took the (legally owned) firearm of his brother from a safe and went back. Once again the father of his ex-gf opened and he shot him dead.

Then he killed the mother and 25-year old brother of hix ex.

Then he went to the room of his ex, where she and her new boyfriend were sleeping and shot them dead as well.

Turns out the 5-time killer was an FPÖ member, posting "niggas" a few times on Facebook.

They expelled him today.

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© APA

https://www.krone.at/2018104

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/tirol/Fuenffachmoerder-aus-der-FPOe-ausgeschlossen/400706012

The man should be labeled a domestic terrorist IMO, because he terrorized a whole small community with his disgusting act of killing a whole family.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on October 14, 2019, 11:25:30 am
A 33-year old Afghan asylum seeker has stabbed and seriously injured a social worker today and then stabbed another person to death while on the run:

https://www.krone.at/2023135


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: urutzizu on October 14, 2019, 11:50:17 am
Just so you are aware, Tender, stabbing someone fatally means that he Stabbed him to death. That is not the case (as of yet) with the social worker, at least not according to the article.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Austere Religious Scholar on October 14, 2019, 01:40:38 pm
Just so you are aware, Tender, stabbing someone fatally means that he Stabbed him to death.

How about stabbing fatally the murdered body of his dead, deceased corpse?


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on October 14, 2019, 11:40:36 pm
A 33-year old Afghan asylum seeker has stabbed and seriously injured a social worker today and then stabbed another person to death while on the run:

https://www.krone.at/2023135

The so-called killer "refugee" has now been caught.

https://ooe.orf.at/stories/3017267


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on October 18, 2019, 10:40:41 am
Just so you are aware, Tender, stabbing someone fatally means that he Stabbed him to death. That is not the case (as of yet) with the social worker, at least not according to the article.

The 2nd Austrian victim (one case worker, one farmer) of the Afghan has now also died in hospital.

https://ooe.orf.at/stories/3017847/


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on October 26, 2019, 12:14:28 pm
A couple has been found dead last night at a hotel in St. Pölten, capital of Lower Austria.

https://www.krone.at/2030587

A 36-year old Austrian woman killed an Austrian man (50) with a handgun in the hotel bed, before killing herself.

She legally owned the firearm.

(There has been a very similar case in the Netherlands, also last night, where a dead couple was found in a cinema.)

The 2 cases are probably not related.

https://de.euronews.com/2019/10/26/am-morgen-gefunden-zwei-tote-in-kino-in-groningen


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on October 27, 2019, 08:22:14 am
A 31-year old Austro-Turk has killed his wife and 2-year old daughter today and badly injured his 1-year old son.

Happened in Lower Austria again.

https://kurier.at/chronik/niederoesterreich/mordalarm-in-kottingbrunn-vater-soll-familie-getoetet-haben/400658873


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on October 28, 2019, 12:59:48 pm
A 31-year old Austro-Turk has killed his wife and 2-year old daughter today and badly injured his 1-year old son.

Happened in Lower Austria again.

https://kurier.at/chronik/niederoesterreich/mordalarm-in-kottingbrunn-vater-soll-familie-getoetet-haben/400658873

The 1-year old son has also died today. Triple-killer.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on October 29, 2019, 01:53:03 pm
Until yesterday, 52 people have been murdered in Austria.

34 men and 18 women.

October was extremely brutal with 12 victims so far.

Last year in total, there were 71 victims.

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/Heuer-schon-52-Morde/403733666


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: True Federalist on November 02, 2019, 11:15:28 am
How many secret basements have been found this year?


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on November 08, 2019, 10:46:31 am
How many secret basements have been found this year?

There are no official statistics on this.


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: Tender Branson on November 08, 2019, 10:47:43 am
A 59-year old Upper Austrian has been murdered by elephants in Namibia.

https://orf.at/stories/3143564


Title: Re: Tender's megathread on crime in Austria
Post by: True Federalist on November 09, 2019, 09:33:40 pm
How many secret basements have been found this year?

There are no official statistics on this.

So are there unofficial statistics? Presumably compiled and kept in a secret basement somewhere, that is.