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When Joffrey is about to have Ned Stark killed and all of us watching (except me) were like "ayy boy- dont do it, he is a main character". Then he did it anyway and the world was a much darker place?

yikes.

#SaveNapoleon2015

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Remember that Simpsons episode where it turned out Principal Skinner was a different guy and at first they accepted it but at the end of the episode the real Skinner just left town and they went back to pretending fake Principal Skinner was real Principal Skinner? Let's do the same here.

Hamilton's "Napoleon" account was supposed to already be on mod review, ban pending Nym's return online.

That error has been corrected and since Hamilton was able to make this thread it shall be repurposed into a memorial so that the community can pay their respects to the most successful sock account in forum history

Dick Whitman
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did not see that coming

RIP, FF

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This.

Sock on you crazy diamond.

I'm gonna change back to D-MN so no one confuses it with memorializing this creep.

Good riddance.

I hope that the Nym makes the correct decision and chooses to let Napoleon stay.

lol

Hamilton is the proper name.

Funny how you pick and choose which particular creep to obsess over.

I did consider you to be one of the true, genuine friends I had on this forum, Kyle. It's a shame that you had to lead everyone on and eventually let everyone down by doing this. Maybe someday you'll grow out of this forum for good. Don't expect us to hold our collective breath, though. Quite a shame indeed.

"Napoleon" was always so cool to me and always a friend. I don't know the whole story here but it's truly a shame.

Looks like the people have spoken. We want "Napoleon" to say. We'll all just pretend he wasn't Hamilton and move on with our lives.

Pretty funny (but not surprising) that he never left and was here all this time.

The people have not yet began to speak.

I think some leniency is in order with regard to the length of any ban that may be forthcoming. Napoleon was always great to me and did not behave in any way that would be otherwise ban-worthy. Others have been allowed to come back after a reasonable timespan, and I hope the same is the case here.

That some of you would consider a person we've always known so little of a true friend speaks only to your exceedingly low standards. And to continue to like him after the revelation that in fact, yes, he was a total liar all long means you just have none.

Everyone deserves another chance.

But no third bite at the apple. #NoThanksMitt

Dude should've been smart enough to leave his contact information with his chance. I wonder why perennial sock users never think of this?

I have heard most of the 'sock' rumours about people, and maybe I'm not in the loop... but I never thought he was a sock, let alone one of 'his'.

So, he kind of made fools out of a lot of us. He wasn't a friend, he was a fraud. And if you're happy being friends with a persona, that's your call but you might need to re-evaluate some of your choices.

I only know him in the context of Atlasia and when I joined he was Napoleon so I don't know the previous usernames he might have used. He had good knowledge of Atlasia and he was kind enough to answer me when I was searching for a law or trying to understand the meaning of articles in the constitution. When he wanted he contributed a lot, he had great electoral success and his presence made the game interesting.

Things make much more sense now.  I dont know if I should be mad, sad, concerned, or just impressed.  I'm kinda all of them.

I think mild sociopaths have found a niche on the internet with sock accounts.

First of my forum buddies to be banned. Feels a bit weird.

Welcome to the Internet, friend.

I always suspected something about him...and he would corroborate that.

No. No. Just no. If there is one single poster in the forum's entire history who should be kept away from it forever, it's Hamilton.

Yep. I'd rather have opebo back than Hamilton, who was easily the most disruptive troll ever. As much as the whole Napoleon thing may be amusing, Kyle needs to find some other obsession. It's been five years since his ban and he still can't get over it.

Remember these threads?

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=168891.0

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=176608.0

I though the reason you had a D-NY avatar was because of something to to with Hillary Clinton and her impending Presidential campaign.

I appreciate your point of view, and appreciation of his "admirable" skills at incorrigibility, but alas nobody, absolutely nobody,  in the Cave shares it. Hamilton has even less of a chance of coming back "legally" than jmfcst, and, despite BRTD's indefatigable campaign on his behalf, jmfcst's prospects of a resurrection on the Fahrenheit scale are either at, or asymptotically close to, minus 452 degrees, i.e., absolute zero. 

When did you turn on him?

Life is not all about my personal gratification Morden. Just most of it. :)

Very well. Thanks for the response.

Admittedly, I know nothing firsthand of Hamilton or whoever was behind that shtick, only secondhand info here and there, and I really haven't bothered to check it all out. I guess it's quite a saga. Maybe sometime when I have the time I will.

Indeed, though, creating a sock after being banned is one of the deadly sins, so that's that.

Atlas has rules against socks for a number of reasons. It does legitimate discourse no favors to have someone create fake posters simply for the narcissistic purpose of arguing and scoring points. It shows a complete lack of respect for the limited number of actual rules we have around here. And it hampers the integrity of that silly little Atlas government simulation that so many of you seem to like.

A lot of you seem to think that the rules shouldn't apply if a poster is a friend of yours or appears to be a "nice guy." That's not how this site -- or the real world -- works.

"The fictional persona created by a sick sociopath was my friend, please let it stay".

And that's about 75% of the problem (that you guys allow attack threads is ridiculous), and is probably why there's such resentment for the authority structure in some quarters. The other 25% of the problem is that some who actually cross the thin red line get to come back after a month, some after a year, some never.

When it comes to prospects for reinstatement, socking (other than for innocent ministerial reasons or based on ignorance) moves a poster towards the "never" category at warp speed.

I don't know why people think the main issue here is socking.  Hamilton isn't banned for socking.  He's banned for all the stuff he did years ago that got him banned in the first place.  The many sock accounts created after that banning are just reasons not to reconsider the original ban.

The people who only get temp bans for socking are people for whom Nym would not ban them at all if it weren't for the socking.

I don't get you people sometimes. Napoleon was pretty clearly a psycho in spite of being a fake persona. That he turns out to be Hamilton makes him maybe the most banworthy poster ever. Just because you were fooled by a sociopath you want him to come back? Incomprehensible.

The sock iteration caused less waves than the genuine article (the genuine article was getting close to causing a mass Mod resignation was my impression, and, as my further impression, did precipitate DAVE making some substantial administrative changes, much to the dismay of some Forumites - so give Hamilton credit for being a change agent). That's the content of the Brief. It gets traction from those who prefer that the Forum be as near the edge to DAVE just shutting it down as possible.

How was "Napoleon" clearly a psycho? He always seemed fine to me. Before he turned out to be a sock, I didn't think he was controversial at all.

You all realize the person behind Napoleon doesn't exist, right? It was a false persona. That "person" doesn't exist and never has, so you aren't losing a friend, unless you want to be friends with Kyle, and if so, good luck with that.

I had to deal with all his fcking reports from Atlasia. Both the ones directed at his weird outbursts and the numerous ones he made himself. He'd also send me weird PMs about it sometimes. I didn't interact much with him beyond that but I got a distinct impression of a disturbed person from all that.

This. "Napoleon" does not exist. So in a sense you have kind of lost a friend but the anger should be at the manipulative sick mind who did that to you by creating the false friend.

I always thought "Napoleon" was a bit...off.

to St. Helena?

I'm pretty disappointed, to say the least. This is causing me to re-evaluate my future on the forum.

What about Napoleon does not exist?  That he's just an internet persona?  Well aren't we all, except for those few who have met offline.

Something just seems...strange...about this.

I can't reconcile some of the conversations I've had with Napoleon with that person being Hamilton.

I find it very odd to see posts that defend Hamilton.

In addition to his general sociopathic behavior when he posted as "Hamilton" and all the nasty stuff in Atlasia I remember two very bizarre occurrences during his "Napoleon" incarnation.

Most of you are probably familiar with the "Survivor" board. There was a game involving a number of American cities, and one of these cities happened to be the hometown of a user "Napoleon" held a grudge against. So what did "Napoleon" do? He frantically sent out PMs to  posters who participated in the game to make them vote out the city where that other poster came from.

On another occasion, which involved another user he disliked, he dug up personal information about that guy online and subsequently made a phone call to the office of the politician the latter poster had volunteered for.

Seriously, we should be glad the guy's gone (for now).

Just wanted to say that this was an excellent post.

How was the Napoleon sock able to avoid detection for so long, given the numerous other Hamilton socks that have been found?  And what did he do that exposed him now?

I don't know. I remember asking about him years ago because I thought he was Hamilton, and Marokai and others can attest to that, but inks or whoever it was said they couldn't get an IP for him or something bizarre, so it was never really addressed.

I've always suspected it. His strange grudge against me after no previous run ins was really what convinced me of who it was. I don't have many forum enemies except Hamilton and his minions, so it was odd Napoleon joined and immediately had a problem with me. I knew Napoleon wasn't who he claimed to be.

He also, along with his friend wolfentoad, would tell people I was a rapist to get members to join their party in atlasia.

So yeah, please don't defend this guy. We don't want him back.

What gets me is, he actually went out of his way to be friendly to me.  No other incarnation of Hamilton has PMed me at all, ever that I can recall, or said nice things about me publicly.

I wonder why Hamilton's "Napolean" persona was such a big fan of mine?   I literally never interacted with Hamilton.  I just figured it was the same reason all the Midatlanticers tend to rub along with another so well (Lief, Gramps, Phil, EH, myself, etc.)

It's worth nothing that I was on an extended hiatus during Hamilton's reign so I guess I'd never notice similarities. But I am going to note something without getting too immersed in this nonsense: it's amusing how some of you rail against "Napoleon's" supposed evilness yet you defend some equally whacked out people around here. But don't let that tiny crack in your glass house bother you.

Going through my PMs, a lot of nice words from Napolean.  Maybe Napolean is the real Kyle Mercado and Hamilton is how he takes out his aggression?   It's all very bizarre.  It's not like, say, if opebo and Bushie turned out to be the same person... But it's up there in crazy Atlas lore.

I mean, "Hamilton" was five years ago. When the guy was in his teens. It's not ridiculous to believe that someone can change in five years, especially when they're so young.

No.  Not at all out of the realm of possibility. 

Like I said on the Atlas board, if Hamilton were still operating under the same conditions as he was when he was banned, then Atlasia would have been his raison d'etre for coming here. As the person who probably was responsible for the most cock-blocking of him in that game, I would think that I would have been at the very top of that persona's sh!t list if it were the case. He could obviously and very easily tried to do something to me in that capacity, but nothing like that has happened. There's always tomorrow, though, I suppose.

Except he haven't changed at all. Instead of letting it go when he was banned and then asking, after a reasonable period of time, to be let back, he kept trolling by dozens of his sock accounts.

There must be a line.

One thing we should all have learned from this forum, both due to our Oklahoman comrade and our experiences with the disastrous unbannings of Libertas and Einzige, is that people never, ever change.

this is, certainly, an internet forum about politics. that's the most I can get from this thread.

Oh wow, hahah. Legendary stuff, RIP FF!

It is, but it is also so much more.  Where else does this Hamilton saga go down?  Seriously.  We should also be grateful that this is the biggest problem we actually have to deal with.  Sockmasters.

Who's Napolean?

Why are those of you who were catfished by Hammy, sad again?

Who's Opebo?

I don't know.  Doesn't ring a bell.

Is it that, or is it that our wacky sockmasters can be a lot of fun?  I mean, Napoleon is Kyle Mercado?  Who doesn't love that twist?  Besides, other sockmasters don't even try to hide who they are.  Like the jamfist.

I guess my deeper meaning of the post was lost. Allow me to explain.

It's not just about politics, it is politics. People putting on personas and gaining mass appeal. Napoleon/Hamilton shoke hands and kissed babies like a politician, and people fell for it. I shouldn't have been as frustrated as I had been with him had I known of the Hamilton issue (I wasn't around during hamiltons time.) The best thing we can do as a community is to look beyond the friendly behavior.

Yes yes yes, i'm no ignorant, AN.  I understand that the socks create headaches for our mods, and that they have very thankless jobs.  But the murder of opebo had long-lasting repercussions where a lot of us want to be big rabble-rousers in FC, for lack of a better term. 

I just wish more people would understand. When you say "I didn't like Hamilton but Napoleon was my friend," it just sounds that person isn't all there.

Napoleon as the person most people "knew" never existed, so I can't believe there are people who keep saying we should keep this persona around because he was nice to them. For those of us who Kyle's Napoleon did not like, we know he hasn't changed.

I'm sure most of you have seen the Geek Social Fallacies (http://www.plausiblydeniable.com/opinion/gsf.html) list that's been circulating on the Internet for about a decade. This is an excellent list, but it has one crucial omission, one that I see in geek/nerd social circles just as much of the ones on his list, and sometimes even more: just because someone is nice to you doesn't automatically mean they're a good person.

     It's a little odd seeing people in this thread talking about Hamilton like he's some sort of carefree teenager who went joyriding and spent time in juvie. What he did went far beyond youthful indiscretion and it is very unlikely that he is capable of changing.

I'm not going to put separate situational personalities emerging past Kyle Mercado.  He's a little whacked out at the very best.

As someone who tends to value niceness a lot... this is very true.

I'mnot sure that's a purely 'geeky' phenomenon

Yeah, that's just being human. :P

In fact, people who are artificially nice to you are probably more likely to be weird or up to something bad.

Which also somewhat explains why we actually do need to regulate this kind of stuff severely. If we are to have 14-year olds posting here we can't allow psychos to prey on them.

My sentiments exactly.....

Found a post which both: 1-makes the revelation not all that surprising and 2-proves that he was terrible:


(Referring to freepcrusher and krazen)