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Title: Germanwings crash: obsequies taking place right now → one controversy ...
Post by: solarstorm on April 17, 2015, 05:02:28 AM
Three and a half weeks after the Germanwings crash, the obsequies for the 150 causalities are taking place in Cologne Cathedral today. 1,400 guests are going to participate in the ecumenical service, among them 500 relatives of the victims. Also President Joachim Gauck, Chancellor Angela Merkel, the Speaker of the Bundestag Norbert Lammert, the Speaker of the Bundesrat     
Volker Bouffier, North Rhine-Westphalian Governor Hannelore Kraft, the Andreas Voßkuhle and government officials from France and Spain are expected to attend the obsequies.
(However, I couldn't find any information about if Lubitz's parents are planning to make an appearance; to the crash site they were driven separately.)
The Lufthansa employees are requested not to wear uniforms.

One decision, however, has aroused controversies:
The organizers decided to light 150 candles, one for each victim, i.e. also one for the pilot, who killed/murdered the passengers and the crew member.

How would you decide? Does Lubitz have a moral right for an enlightened candle?

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150 lighted candles in Digne-les-Bains:

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Title: Re: Germanwings crash: obsequies taking place right now → one controversy ...
Post by: Sumner 1868 on April 18, 2015, 05:17:36 PM
150.


Title: Re: Germanwings crash: obsequies taking place right now → one controversy ...
Post by: Simfan34 on April 18, 2015, 07:00:38 PM
149. You don't memorialise the murderer.


Title: Re: Germanwings crash: obsequies taking place right now → one controversy ...
Post by: Cory on April 18, 2015, 11:53:46 PM
This is a tragedy for everyone involved.

150.


Title: Re: Germanwings crash: obsequies taking place right now → one controversy ...
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on April 19, 2015, 01:33:40 AM
149. You don't memorialise the murderer.

     I agree. He made a conscious choice to take so many other lives along with his own.


Title: Re: Germanwings crash: obsequies taking place right now → one controversy ...
Post by: Joe Republic on April 19, 2015, 01:44:44 AM
150.  The co-pilot's family lost a loved one too.


Title: Re: Germanwings crash: obsequies taking place right now → one controversy ...
Post by: Ebowed on April 19, 2015, 02:01:32 AM
150.  The co-pilot's family lost a loved one too.

^^^


Title: Re: Germanwings crash: obsequies taking place right now → one controversy ...
Post by: tik 🪀✨ on April 19, 2015, 02:03:10 AM
Joe's correct, as usual.


Title: Re: Germanwings crash: obsequies taking place right now → one controversy ...
Post by: dead0man on April 19, 2015, 02:14:53 AM
149...I don't even understand it the other way.


Title: Re: Germanwings crash: obsequies taking place right now → one controversy ...
Post by: Ban my account ffs! on April 19, 2015, 03:19:34 AM
150.  The co-pilot's family lost a loved one too.

Dead0man...the murderer's family lost more than anyone else in a way.  They not only lost a son...but everyone is looking at them asking why.  They are being scrutinized by the simfans of the world in order to assign their unusually large doses of blame.

Or do we go DPRK and punish the family to the third degree too?

Can you understand 150 is an act of compassion for the family even though his murderous action deserves no memorial?


Title: Re: Germanwings crash: obsequies taking place right now → one controversy ...
Post by: dead0man on April 19, 2015, 03:39:59 AM
Can you understand being a family member of one of the 149 and have the person that murdered your loved one being honored along side of him/her?  Do memorials for similar things tend to have the murderer's name(s) when applicable?


Title: Re: Germanwings crash: obsequies taking place right now → one controversy ...
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on April 19, 2015, 06:50:11 AM
149. I mean come on.


Title: Re: Germanwings crash: obsequies taking place right now → one controversy ...
Post by: Cranberry on April 19, 2015, 08:23:32 AM


Title: Re: Germanwings crash: obsequies taking place right now → one controversy ...
Post by: Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas on April 19, 2015, 08:40:26 AM
I wouldn't want his name among the honored dead any more than I'd want Mohammed Atta's memorialized in Downtown NY.


Title: Re: Germanwings crash: obsequies taking place right now → one controversy ...
Post by: Joe Republic on April 19, 2015, 10:06:07 AM
It's a candle though.  This memorial will last, what, a few days?  We're not talking about a permanent memorial with all the victims' names on it, which I'll admit is a very different thing.


Title: Re: Germanwings crash: obsequies taking place right now → one controversy ...
Post by: DemPGH on April 20, 2015, 04:00:26 PM
149. He literally killed those people. It's like going to work and killing yourself in a way that takes the entire building and all of your co-workers and secretaries with you.


Title: Re: Germanwings crash: obsequies taking place right now → one controversy ...
Post by: Ban my account ffs! on April 20, 2015, 10:10:03 PM
Can you understand being a family member of one of the 149 and have the person that murdered your loved one being honored along side of him/her?  Do memorials for similar things tend to have the murderer's name(s) when applicable?
This is a candlelight memorial.  Not a permanent memorial.

Perhaps a symbolic compromise.  150 candles.  One left unlit.  It is up to the victims to light his candle.  Which, since they're dead...but symbolic gestures matter to people who found out their son was dead and a mass murderer the same day.