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Title: Orthodox Jew stabs six at Jerusalem Pride...again
Post by: أندرو on July 30, 2015, 02:19:08 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-33726634

Police have arrested a man after six people were wounded in a stabbing at the Gay Pride parade in Jerusalem.

A police spokesperson identified the suspect as the same man who stabbed three people at the parade in 2005.

Yishai Schlissel, an ultra-Orthodox Jew, was sentenced to 12 years in prison for that attack and was released from prison three weeks ago.


Title: Re: Orthodox Jew stabs six at Jerusalem Pride...again
Post by: Secret Cavern Survivor on July 30, 2015, 02:45:57 pm
Wow. What a sick person.


Title: Re: Orthodox Jew stabs six at Jerusalem Pride...again
Post by: DavidB. on July 30, 2015, 03:20:17 pm
This is what life sentences are for. Horrible, disgusting act.


Title: Re: Orthodox Jew stabs six at Jerusalem Pride...again
Post by: Joe Republic on July 30, 2015, 03:23:38 pm
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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu condemned the attack as "a most serious incident".

"In the state of Israel the individual's freedom of choice is one of basic values. We must ensure that in Israel, every man and woman lives in security in any way they choose. That's how we acted in the past and how we'll continue to act. I wish the wounded a speedy recovery," he said in a statement.

What?  Shut up, Bibi.


Title: Re: Orthodox Jew stabs six at Jerusalem Pride...again
Post by: True Federalist on July 30, 2015, 03:49:14 pm
Wow. What a sick person.
More like what a sicarius person. Not that the sicarii aren't sick.


Title: Re: Orthodox Jew stabs six at Jerusalem Pride...again
Post by: Joe Republic on July 30, 2015, 05:07:44 pm
Wow. What a sick person.
More like what a sicarius person. Not that the sicarii aren't sick.

LOL GOOD ONE ERNEST


Title: Re: Orthodox Jew stabs six at Jerusalem Pride...again
Post by: Corbyn is a Strasserist on July 30, 2015, 05:48:08 pm
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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu condemned the attack as "a most serious incident".

"In the state of Israel the individual's freedom of choice is one of basic values. We must ensure that in Israel, every man and woman lives in security in any way they choose. That's how we acted in the past and how we'll continue to act. I wish the wounded a speedy recovery," he said in a statement.

What?  Shut up, Bibi.

Not sure what the problem is. That quote is basically him refusing to bow to the Ultra-Orthodox and insisting that pride parades like that one will be allowed to continue and won't be silenced by the violence.


Title: Re: Orthodox Jew stabs six at Jerusalem Pride...again
Post by: Indy Texas on July 30, 2015, 08:29:38 pm
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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu condemned the attack as "a most serious incident".

"In the state of Israel the individual's freedom of choice is one of basic values. We must ensure that in Israel, every man and woman lives in security in any way they choose. That's how we acted in the past and how we'll continue to act. I wish the wounded a speedy recovery," he said in a statement.

What?  Shut up, Bibi.

Not sure what the problem is. That quote is basically him refusing to bow to the Ultra-Orthodox and insisting that pride parades like that one will be allowed to continue and won't be silenced by the violence.

He never explicitly condemned the act anywhere in that statement. If he had any decency, he would have called it a shameful act of vile extremism.

I'm sure there will be nary a peep from any American conservatives, since what this guy did is basically their wet dream.


Title: Re: Orthodox Jew stabs six at Jerusalem Pride...again
Post by: MaxQue on July 30, 2015, 08:40:44 pm
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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu condemned the attack as "a most serious incident".

"In the state of Israel the individual's freedom of choice is one of basic values. We must ensure that in Israel, every man and woman lives in security in any way they choose. That's how we acted in the past and how we'll continue to act. I wish the wounded a speedy recovery," he said in a statement.

What?  Shut up, Bibi.

Not sure what the problem is. That quote is basically him refusing to bow to the Ultra-Orthodox and insisting that pride parades like that one will be allowed to continue and won't be silenced by the violence.

He is enabling Ultra-Orthodoxs by having them in his government. He can't condemn that act or else Jewish Home (whose ultra-orthodox voters approves of stabbing gays) will cause another election.


Title: Re: Orthodox Jew stabs six at Jerusalem Pride...again
Post by: MalaspinaGold on July 30, 2015, 08:42:25 pm
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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu condemned the attack as "a most serious incident".

"In the state of Israel the individual's freedom of choice is one of basic values. We must ensure that in Israel, every man and woman lives in security in any way they choose. That's how we acted in the past and how we'll continue to act. I wish the wounded a speedy recovery," he said in a statement.

What?  Shut up, Bibi.

Not sure what the problem is. That quote is basically him refusing to bow to the Ultra-Orthodox and insisting that pride parades like that one will be allowed to continue and won't be silenced by the violence.

He is enabling Ultra-Orthodoxs by having them in his government. He can't condemn that act or else Jewish Home (whose ultra-orthodox voters approves of stabbing gays) will cause another election.
Bennett doesn't represent the Ultra-Orthodox. In fact, they hate Bennett.


Title: Re: Orthodox Jew stabs six at Jerusalem Pride...again
Post by: Zezano on July 30, 2015, 08:53:32 pm
I don't defend these attacks but these gay activist are behaving in a manner similar to pussy riot by trying to provoke a religious community. Tel Aviv is very gay friendly just as America and Europe have gay friendly cities. Jerusalem is none as a very religious city for both Jews, Muslims, and Christians. It's not like Jerusalem persecutes gays but the pride parade is going out of it's way to get a response and reaction. Religious people and Secular people can coexist if they have their own communities but they don't need to impose their values on each other. Gay activist and feminist want the whole world to accept their values.


Title: Re: Orthodox Jew stabs six at Jerusalem Pride...again
Post by: Zezano on July 30, 2015, 09:52:27 pm
I'm not homophobic I'm Bisexual myself but I respect the rights of the people to consider homosexuality immoral.


Title: Re: Orthodox Jew stabs six at Jerusalem Pride...again
Post by: Hugo Award nominee on July 30, 2015, 10:07:47 pm
I don't defend these attacks but these gay activist are behaving in a manner similar to pussy riot by trying to provoke a religious community. Tel Aviv is very gay friendly just as America and Europe have gay friendly cities. Jerusalem is none as a very religious city for both Jews, Muslims, and Christians. It's not like Jerusalem persecutes gays but the pride parade is going out of it's way to get a response and reaction. Religious people and Secular people can coexist if they have their own communities but they don't need to impose their values on each other. Gay activist and feminist want the whole world to accept their values.

If they can put up with sharing Jerusalem with one another then they can put up with sharing it with LGBT people.


Title: Re: Orthodox Jew stabs six at Jerusalem Pride...again
Post by: Zezano on July 30, 2015, 10:15:25 pm
I don't defend these attacks but these gay activist are behaving in a manner similar to pussy riot by trying to provoke a religious community. Tel Aviv is very gay friendly just as America and Europe have gay friendly cities. Jerusalem is none as a very religious city for both Jews, Muslims, and Christians. It's not like Jerusalem persecutes gays but the pride parade is going out of it's way to get a response and reaction. Religious people and Secular people can coexist if they have their own communities but they don't need to impose their values on each other. Gay activist and feminist want the whole world to accept their values.

If they can put up with sharing Jerusalem with one another then they can put up with sharing it with LGBT people.


I'm not opposed to gays living there. I just think having a gay demonstration in an Orthodox Neighborhood is obnoxious. Even though I'm Bi that scene never appealed to me. I don't find the culture aesthetically pleasing. It has a certain vulgarity to it. Same with feminist. They want to impose their values on the world. They want slut walks every where.


Title: Re: Orthodox Jew stabs six at Jerusalem Pride...again
Post by: Hnv1 on July 31, 2015, 05:06:50 am
I don't defend these attacks but these gay activist are behaving in a manner similar to pussy riot by trying to provoke a religious community. Tel Aviv is very gay friendly just as America and Europe have gay friendly cities. Jerusalem is none as a very religious city for both Jews, Muslims, and Christians. It's not like Jerusalem persecutes gays but the pride parade is going out of it's way to get a response and reaction. Religious people and Secular people can coexist if they have their own communities but they don't need to impose their values on each other. Gay activist and feminist want the whole world to accept their values.
What? what are you talking about you clown? have you ever lived in Jerusalem? the city has a very large gay community and scene with a still large secular community living there. Furthermore, even if the entire city was nothing but religious as it is the capital city the gay community has a right to come and parade there.


Title: Re: Orthodox Jew stabs six at Jerusalem Pride...again
Post by: Hnv1 on July 31, 2015, 05:08:10 am
In other news: Jewish terrorists burn a Palestinian baby to death at home.


Title: Re: Orthodox Jew stabs six at Jerusalem Pride...again
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on July 31, 2015, 05:22:50 am
Right-wing terrorists are a serious problem. They killed Yitzhak Rabin.


Title: Re: Orthodox Jew stabs six at Jerusalem Pride...again
Post by: DavidB. on July 31, 2015, 07:54:40 am
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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu condemned the attack as "a most serious incident".

"In the state of Israel the individual's freedom of choice is one of basic values. We must ensure that in Israel, every man and woman lives in security in any way they choose. That's how we acted in the past and how we'll continue to act. I wish the wounded a speedy recovery," he said in a statement.

What?  Shut up, Bibi.

Not sure what the problem is. That quote is basically him refusing to bow to the Ultra-Orthodox and insisting that pride parades like that one will be allowed to continue and won't be silenced by the violence.

He is enabling Ultra-Orthodoxs by having them in his government. He can't condemn that act or else Jewish Home (whose ultra-orthodox voters approves of stabbing gays) will cause another election.
1. Not *all* so-called "Ultra-Orthodox" have perpetrated this attack. In fact, most "Ultra-Orthodox" despise this attack. The influential haredi news source Kikar HaShabat has issued this statement: (
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So please don't generalize this guy's vicious behavior toward a whole group. It is funny how people are angry when Islamist attacks are being generalized toward all Muslims, but people find it all of a sudden okay to generalize one attack toward all "Ultra-Orthodox" people. This shows your double standards.

2. Jewish Home's electorate is not "Ultra-Orthodox" but largely modern orthodox. Get your facts straight.

3. Most of the Jewish Home voters don't agree with this, either.

4. Bennett (JH) just did this: http://www.timesofisrael.com/bennett-to-dramatically-boost-funding-for-lgbt-group/.

5. Netanyahu has issued a new statement:
"The stabbing of participants in the gay pride parade in Jerusalem is a despicable hate crime. We will bring those responsible to justice. In Israel, everyone, including the LGBT community, has the right to live in peace, and we will defend that right. I welcome the Israeli religious leadership’s condemnation of this terrible crime, and I call on all those in positions of leadership to join them and denounce this contemptible act. In the name of all Israelis, I wish the wounded a full and speedy recovery." (https://www.facebook.com/Netanyahu?fref=ts) I guess no one can really complain about this reply, right?


Title: Re: Orthodox Jew stabs six at Jerusalem Pride...again
Post by: Famous Mortimer on July 31, 2015, 07:58:22 am
Yeah, seriously, if you don't know the difference between Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox, don't comment on Israeli politics. How can you know what Jewish Home is but not know the difference between those two?


Title: Re: Orthodox Jew stabs six at Jerusalem Pride...again
Post by: ag on July 31, 2015, 07:53:46 pm
Yeah, seriously, if you don't know the difference between Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox, don't comment on Israeli politics. How can you know what Jewish Home is but not know the difference between those two?

On one hand, this is true - the poster is clueless. On the other hand, there is no question that every single ultra-Orthodox party that got into Knesset is in Netanyahu´s government.


Title: Re: Orthodox Jew stabs six at Jerusalem Pride...again
Post by: Corbyn is a Strasserist on July 31, 2015, 08:09:23 pm
Yeah, seriously, if you don't know the difference between Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox, don't comment on Israeli politics. How can you know what Jewish Home is but not know the difference between those two?

On one hand, this is true - the poster is clueless. On the other hand, there is no question that every single ultra-Orthodox party that got into Knesset is in Netanyahu´s government.

Yeah, he was essentially boxed into allowing UTJ/Shas to set terms for their inclusion when ZU/YA flat-out refused to sit in his coalition. Shame. That's going to make it much harder to root out the radical elements in the community.


Title: Re: Orthodox Jew stabs six at Jerusalem Pride...again
Post by: ag on July 31, 2015, 09:07:58 pm
Yeah, seriously, if you don't know the difference between Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox, don't comment on Israeli politics. How can you know what Jewish Home is but not know the difference between those two?

On one hand, this is true - the poster is clueless. On the other hand, there is no question that every single ultra-Orthodox party that got into Knesset is in Netanyahu´s government.

Yeah, he was essentially boxed into allowing UTJ/Shas to set terms for their inclusion when ZU/YA flat-out refused to sit in his coalition. Shame. That's going to make it much harder to root out the radical elements in the community.

Well, Netanyahu and the crowd are, of course, much more objectionable to any sane person than UTJ or Shas. I much prefer the ultra-Orthodox pigheadedness - which, of course, is representative of what our ancestors have been for millenia - than the pseudo-modern nationalism of Likud. Because the ultra-Orthodox are merely ignorant. But Likudniks are knowingly evil.


Title: Re: Orthodox Jew stabs six at Jerusalem Pride...again
Post by: MalaspinaGold on July 31, 2015, 10:20:30 pm
Yeah, seriously, if you don't know the difference between Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox, don't comment on Israeli politics. How can you know what Jewish Home is but not know the difference between those two?

On one hand, this is true - the poster is clueless. On the other hand, there is no question that every single ultra-Orthodox party that got into Knesset is in Netanyahu´s government.

Yeah, he was essentially boxed into allowing UTJ/Shas to set terms for their inclusion when ZU/YA flat-out refused to sit in his coalition. Shame. That's going to make it much harder to root out the radical elements in the community.

Well, Netanyahu and the crowd are, of course, much more objectionable to any sane person than UTJ or Shas. I much prefer the ultra-Orthodox pigheadedness - which, of course, is representative of what our ancestors have been for millenia - than the pseudo-modern nationalism of Likud. Because the ultra-Orthodox are merely ignorant. But Likudniks are knowingly evil.
Statements like this are why Haredim identify as right-wing.


Title: Re: Orthodox Jew stabs six at Jerusalem Pride...again
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on July 31, 2015, 10:51:55 pm
I don't defend these attacks but these gay activist are behaving in a manner similar to pussy riot by trying to provoke a religious community. Tel Aviv is very gay friendly just as America and Europe have gay friendly cities. Jerusalem is none as a very religious city for both Jews, Muslims, and Christians. It's not like Jerusalem persecutes gays but the pride parade is going out of it's way to get a response and reaction. Religious people and Secular people can coexist if they have their own communities but they don't need to impose their values on each other. Gay activist and feminist want the whole world to accept their values.

If they can put up with sharing Jerusalem with one another then they can put up with sharing it with LGBT people.


I'm not opposed to gays living there. I just think having a gay demonstration in an Orthodox Neighborhood is obnoxious. Even though I'm Bi that scene never appealed to me. I don't find the culture aesthetically pleasing. It has a certain vulgarity to it. Same with feminist. They want to impose their values on the world. They want slut walks every where.

Um? OK.

You should talk to a poster from SF, you'll have a lot to talk about.


Title: Re: Orthodox Jew stabs six at Jerusalem Pride...again
Post by: DavidB. on August 01, 2015, 04:13:54 am
Yeah, seriously, if you don't know the difference between Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox, don't comment on Israeli politics. How can you know what Jewish Home is but not know the difference between those two?

On one hand, this is true - the poster is clueless. On the other hand, there is no question that every single ultra-Orthodox party that got into Knesset is in Netanyahu´s government.

Yeah, he was essentially boxed into allowing UTJ/Shas to set terms for their inclusion when ZU/YA flat-out refused to sit in his coalition. Shame. That's going to make it much harder to root out the radical elements in the community.

Well, Netanyahu and the crowd are, of course, much more objectionable to any sane person than UTJ or Shas. I much prefer the ultra-Orthodox pigheadedness - which, of course, is representative of what our ancestors have been for millenia - than the pseudo-modern nationalism of Likud. Because the ultra-Orthodox are merely ignorant. But Likudniks are knowingly evil.
lolz


Title: Re: Orthodox Jew stabs six at Jerusalem Pride...again
Post by: ag on August 01, 2015, 09:39:41 am
Yeah, seriously, if you don't know the difference between Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox, don't comment on Israeli politics. How can you know what Jewish Home is but not know the difference between those two?

On one hand, this is true - the poster is clueless. On the other hand, there is no question that every single ultra-Orthodox party that got into Knesset is in Netanyahu´s government.

Yeah, he was essentially boxed into allowing UTJ/Shas to set terms for their inclusion when ZU/YA flat-out refused to sit in his coalition. Shame. That's going to make it much harder to root out the radical elements in the community.

Well, Netanyahu and the crowd are, of course, much more objectionable to any sane person than UTJ or Shas. I much prefer the ultra-Orthodox pigheadedness - which, of course, is representative of what our ancestors have been for millenia - than the pseudo-modern nationalism of Likud. Because the ultra-Orthodox are merely ignorant. But Likudniks are knowingly evil.
Statements like this are why Haredim identify as right-wing.

Tough. I am not an Israeli, and could not care less about their political problems. Nor do I count ignorance a sin. I, actually, do not have anything against the Haredi.


Title: Re: Orthodox Jew stabs six at Jerusalem Pride...again
Post by: Helsinkian on August 02, 2015, 01:31:41 pm
One of the victims has died, aged 16.


Title: Re: Orthodox Jew stabs six at Jerusalem Pride...again
Post by: Corbyn is a Strasserist on August 02, 2015, 01:47:32 pm
The murderer stated that he doesn't recognize the sovereignty of the Israeli government, which makes me pretty sure he's a member of one of those fringe sects that was in the news for assaulting a child on her way to school a few years back. They tend to be extremely bigoted and misogynistic, as well as anti-Zionist for religious reasons. The government really needs to be more active in rooting out criminals within this group.


Title: Re: Orthodox Jew stabs six at Jerusalem Pride...again
Post by: DavidB. on August 02, 2015, 02:13:50 pm
I don't know whether I'm more angry or more sad. This disgusting animal is why Yisrael Beiteinu's death sentence proposal should have been passed.