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Election Archive => 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls => Topic started by: bobloblaw on October 05, 2015, 10:15:44 AM



Title: NBC/WSJ/Marist: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: bobloblaw on October 05, 2015, 10:15:44 AM
http://www.scribd.com/doc/283708713/NBC-News-WSJ-Marist-Poll-Iowa-Annotated-Questionnaire-October-2015

The more people see Hillary, the more they dislike her. IA and NH have seen her more than any other group of voters. Even hapless Yeb is beating Hil in IA.


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: Skye on October 05, 2015, 10:51:20 AM
Is it so hard to post the poll and the numbers?

NBC/WSJ/Marist October Poll:

Iowa:

Bush 50
Clinton 40

Trump 48
Clinton 41

Fiorina 52
Clinton 38

Bush 46
Sanders 44

Sanders 48
Trump 43

Fiorina 45
Sanders 42

NH:

Bush 49
Clinton 42

Clinton 48
Trump 45

Fiorina 50
Clinton 42

Bush 46
Sanders 46

Sanders 52
Trump 42

Sanders 47
Fiorina 45


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: Gallium on October 05, 2015, 11:01:46 AM
It makes little sense that Clinton is up ten points in Wisconsin while being ten points down in Iowa; or for  that matter that Sanders is up double digits in Wisconsin but down in Iowa and his neighboring state.


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: pbrower2a on October 05, 2015, 12:01:30 PM
This could be a campaign collapse.


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: Phony Moderate on October 05, 2015, 12:41:27 PM
Iowa has never liked the Clintons so it really isn't surprising.


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: mds32 on October 05, 2015, 12:46:13 PM
I think Iowa may be Tilt Republican at this present time. The voter registration numbers confirm it as the Republicans have far outpaced the Democrats and have solidified their leads. Don't say it's "off-year" because the Dems normally retake the lead in the midterms too. This time they declined in the midterm year and the GOP continued to grow.

GOP Pickups in this order:
Iowa
Florida
Colorado
Ohio
Virginia
New Hampshire
Nevada
Pennsylvania
Wisconsin
New Mexico (depending on the candidate)
Michigan
etc....

Iowa has consistently shown a GOP trend and open presidential years like these are where it will show if the trend is true or not.


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: Tender Branson on October 05, 2015, 12:50:10 PM
Watching this Hillary-trainwreck and her campaign limping on hurts my eyes.


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: Tender Branson on October 05, 2015, 12:55:00 PM
So this is the "Election 2016 State Polls Aggregate" on Atlas right now:

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GOP: 206 EV
Clinton: 255 EV

AZ, KY and GA are all based on old polls.

Those would be heavily GOP in new polls.

OH and PA would be tossups or lean-GOP.


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: mds32 on October 05, 2015, 12:55:11 PM
So this is the "Election 2016 State Polls Aggregate" on Atlas right now:

()

GOP: 206 EV
Clinton: 255 EV

And if you add KY, AZ, and GA it become...
GOP: 241 EV
Clinton: 255


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on October 05, 2015, 02:18:36 PM

I'm moving Iowa to Lean R (from Toss-up) and New Hampshire to Toss-up (from Lean D).


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: MT Treasurer on October 05, 2015, 02:55:46 PM

I'm moving Iowa to Lean R (from Toss-up) and New Hampshire to Toss-up (from Lean D).

NH's early flirtations with the GOP are nothing unusual (Romney, for example, was ahead by double digits in NH in 2011). All the Sanders supporters will rally around Clinton on election day.

Virginia
New Hampshire
Nevada
Pennsylvania

PA would flip before NV and NH. Maybe even VA, but I'm not sure about that one.


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: Clark Kent on October 05, 2015, 02:59:49 PM
Most Democratic to Most Republicans out of all the swing states:

New Mexico (debatable)
Michigan
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Nevada
Iowa
New Hampshire
Pennsylvania
Colorado
Virginia
Ohio
Florida
North Carolina


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: / on October 05, 2015, 03:05:06 PM
LOL @ the Dem 272 "firewall"


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on October 05, 2015, 03:30:55 PM
Most Democratic to Most Republicans out of all the swing states:

New Mexico (debatable)
Michigan
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Nevada
Iowa
New Hampshire
Pennsylvania
Colorado
Virginia
Ohio
Florida
North Carolina

For 2016 and 2016 only:

New Mexico
Nevada (I'm starting to get more worried about how we will do with Hispanics in 2016)
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Michigan
New Hampshire
Virginia
Pennsylvania
Colorado
Ohio
Iowa
Florida
North Carolina


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: Skye on October 05, 2015, 03:40:38 PM
I do have to say that the GOP being up by that much in Iowa sure is surprising. We'll see once the candidates are decided.


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on October 05, 2015, 03:59:47 PM
Iowa is unpredictable, but the Jeb numbers are irrelevant, so.


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: Kingpoleon on October 05, 2015, 04:06:54 PM
Most Democratic to Most Republicans out of all the swing states:

New Mexico (debatable)
Michigan
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Nevada
Iowa
New Hampshire
Pennsylvania
Colorado
Virginia
Ohio
Florida
North Carolina
New Mexico & Minnesota will be more Republican than Michigan, and possibly Wisconsin. Unless Rubio is nominated and picks Walker, we're doomed in Wisconsin.

In other news, we have ourselves one of the most aesthetically pleasing maps possible:
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Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: Skye on October 05, 2015, 04:09:38 PM
Most Democratic to Most Republicans out of all the swing states:

New Mexico (debatable)
Michigan
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Nevada
Iowa
New Hampshire
Pennsylvania
Colorado
Virginia
Ohio
Florida
North Carolina
New Mexico & Minnesota will be more Republican than Michigan, and possibly Wisconsin. Unless Rubio is nominated and picks Walker, we're doomed in Wisconsin.

In other news, we have ourselves one of the most aesthetically pleasing maps possible:
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I, for one, don't think we'll get Jesusland v2.0.
 
Iowa is unpredictable, but the Jeb numbers are irrelevant, so.
How are Jeb's numbers irrelevant?


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: EliteLX on October 05, 2015, 04:12:12 PM
Hillary simply can and very well might lose to Jeb or Rubio in 2016.

Simple.


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on October 05, 2015, 04:16:57 PM
Jeb is a nonfactor, he wont be nominee its Trump or Fiorina and she can beat either one.


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: EliteLX on October 05, 2015, 04:21:37 PM
Iowa is unpredictable, but the Jeb numbers are irrelevant, so.

haha actually no, jeb's numbers are not irrelevant.

He's continuously up on a previously D+1 battleground state by 5+ points and Hillarys consistent favorability and view in the state is in the trench.


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: DrScholl on October 05, 2015, 04:29:36 PM
Jeb won't be the nominee, he's in single digits in polling behind less experienced candidates and his donors are even concerned about that.


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 05, 2015, 04:40:50 PM
This is October 2015, you all know that?


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: ElectionsGuy on October 05, 2015, 04:46:41 PM
Hillary simply can and very well might lose to Jeb or Rubio in 2016.

Simple.


She'll lose to Rubio, she has a good chance against Jeb.

But these numbers are just crushing to her. I mean, Sanders is consistently polling 5+ points ahead of her. Yeah, the "unelectable" socialist candidate. If she's losing these two states she's likely losing the country.


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on October 05, 2015, 04:48:17 PM
Hilary is ahead by 5 against Sanders


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: DrScholl on October 05, 2015, 05:00:58 PM

Good point.


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on October 05, 2015, 05:48:05 PM
CO/Ia/Va & OH will be close.


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: Eraserhead on October 05, 2015, 09:20:38 PM
Hilary is ahead by 5 against Sanders


wat


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on October 05, 2015, 09:27:10 PM

That comment should have been on the primary board.


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: RFayette on October 05, 2015, 10:00:29 PM
NH polls do tend to overstate the GOP's standing at this point in the cycle.  I'm not so sure about Iowa though....


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: Devils30 on October 05, 2015, 10:06:29 PM
These polls are oversampling the GOP primary electorate relative to general election voters. Obama approval if it's 47% or so nationally should not be 42% in these states.

That said, I expect NH to keep it's D lean but I see Iowa having an R+1 PVI and flipping with Virginia relative to the national map.


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: bobloblaw on October 05, 2015, 10:28:54 PM
It makes little sense that Clinton is up ten points in Wisconsin while being ten points down in Iowa; or for  that matter that Sanders is up double digits in Wisconsin but down in Iowa and his neighboring state.


No it makes perfect sense. WI voters havent seen her so she is polling like a Dem would poll in WI. NH and IA have seen her up close and DONT LIKE WHAT THEY SEE.


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: Ebsy on October 05, 2015, 11:21:02 PM
They are not aware, it seems.


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: jaichind on October 06, 2015, 08:12:18 AM
Too bad this poll did not poll Rubio against the Dem candidates.


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: DS0816 on October 08, 2015, 10:31:57 AM

Evidently not.


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: King on October 11, 2015, 11:08:29 PM
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=142146.0


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 11, 2015, 11:09:45 PM
Yeah, Clinton isn't going to lose NH. Don't fool yourselves.


When the polls six months ago showed Hillary up 20-25 points, where were the red avatars saying 'early polls don't matter'?

We assume that people have been through more seasons and should know better.


Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH
Post by: Maxwell on October 12, 2015, 08:25:11 AM
Not polling co-Frontrunner Ben Carson but polling Jeb Bush? Garbage poll.