Title: NBC/WSJ/Marist: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: bobloblaw on October 05, 2015, 10:15:44 AM http://www.scribd.com/doc/283708713/NBC-News-WSJ-Marist-Poll-Iowa-Annotated-Questionnaire-October-2015
The more people see Hillary, the more they dislike her. IA and NH have seen her more than any other group of voters. Even hapless Yeb is beating Hil in IA. Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: Skye on October 05, 2015, 10:51:20 AM Is it so hard to post the poll and the numbers?
NBC/WSJ/Marist October Poll: Iowa: Bush 50 Clinton 40 Trump 48 Clinton 41 Fiorina 52 Clinton 38 Bush 46 Sanders 44 Sanders 48 Trump 43 Fiorina 45 Sanders 42 NH: Bush 49 Clinton 42 Clinton 48 Trump 45 Fiorina 50 Clinton 42 Bush 46 Sanders 46 Sanders 52 Trump 42 Sanders 47 Fiorina 45 Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: Gallium on October 05, 2015, 11:01:46 AM It makes little sense that Clinton is up ten points in Wisconsin while being ten points down in Iowa; or for that matter that Sanders is up double digits in Wisconsin but down in Iowa and his neighboring state.
Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: pbrower2a on October 05, 2015, 12:01:30 PM This could be a campaign collapse.
Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: Phony Moderate on October 05, 2015, 12:41:27 PM Iowa has never liked the Clintons so it really isn't surprising.
Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: mds32 on October 05, 2015, 12:46:13 PM I think Iowa may be Tilt Republican at this present time. The voter registration numbers confirm it as the Republicans have far outpaced the Democrats and have solidified their leads. Don't say it's "off-year" because the Dems normally retake the lead in the midterms too. This time they declined in the midterm year and the GOP continued to grow.
GOP Pickups in this order: Iowa Florida Colorado Ohio Virginia New Hampshire Nevada Pennsylvania Wisconsin New Mexico (depending on the candidate) Michigan etc.... Iowa has consistently shown a GOP trend and open presidential years like these are where it will show if the trend is true or not. Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: Tender Branson on October 05, 2015, 12:50:10 PM Watching this Hillary-trainwreck and her campaign limping on hurts my eyes.
Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: Tender Branson on October 05, 2015, 12:55:00 PM So this is the "Election 2016 State Polls Aggregate" on Atlas right now: () GOP: 206 EV Clinton: 255 EV AZ, KY and GA are all based on old polls. Those would be heavily GOP in new polls. OH and PA would be tossups or lean-GOP. Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: mds32 on October 05, 2015, 12:55:11 PM So this is the "Election 2016 State Polls Aggregate" on Atlas right now: () GOP: 206 EV Clinton: 255 EV And if you add KY, AZ, and GA it become... GOP: 241 EV Clinton: 255 Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on October 05, 2015, 02:18:36 PM So Iowa is New Missouri now? I'm moving Iowa to Lean R (from Toss-up) and New Hampshire to Toss-up (from Lean D). Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: MT Treasurer on October 05, 2015, 02:55:46 PM So Iowa is New Missouri now? I'm moving Iowa to Lean R (from Toss-up) and New Hampshire to Toss-up (from Lean D). NH's early flirtations with the GOP are nothing unusual (Romney, for example, was ahead by double digits in NH in 2011). All the Sanders supporters will rally around Clinton on election day. Virginia New Hampshire Nevada Pennsylvania PA would flip before NV and NH. Maybe even VA, but I'm not sure about that one. Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: Clark Kent on October 05, 2015, 02:59:49 PM Most Democratic to Most Republicans out of all the swing states:
New Mexico (debatable) Michigan Minnesota Wisconsin Nevada Iowa New Hampshire Pennsylvania Colorado Virginia Ohio Florida North Carolina Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: / on October 05, 2015, 03:05:06 PM LOL @ the Dem 272 "firewall"
Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on October 05, 2015, 03:30:55 PM Most Democratic to Most Republicans out of all the swing states: New Mexico (debatable) Michigan Minnesota Wisconsin Nevada Iowa New Hampshire Pennsylvania Colorado Virginia Ohio Florida North Carolina For 2016 and 2016 only: New Mexico Nevada (I'm starting to get more worried about how we will do with Hispanics in 2016) Wisconsin Minnesota Michigan New Hampshire Virginia Pennsylvania Colorado Ohio Iowa Florida North Carolina Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: Skye on October 05, 2015, 03:40:38 PM I do have to say that the GOP being up by that much in Iowa sure is surprising. We'll see once the candidates are decided.
Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on October 05, 2015, 03:59:47 PM Iowa is unpredictable, but the Jeb numbers are irrelevant, so.
Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: Kingpoleon on October 05, 2015, 04:06:54 PM Most Democratic to Most Republicans out of all the swing states: New Mexico (debatable) Michigan Minnesota Wisconsin Nevada Iowa New Hampshire Pennsylvania Colorado Virginia Ohio Florida North Carolina In other news, we have ourselves one of the most aesthetically pleasing maps possible: () Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: Skye on October 05, 2015, 04:09:38 PM Most Democratic to Most Republicans out of all the swing states: New Mexico (debatable) Michigan Minnesota Wisconsin Nevada Iowa New Hampshire Pennsylvania Colorado Virginia Ohio Florida North Carolina In other news, we have ourselves one of the most aesthetically pleasing maps possible: () Iowa is unpredictable, but the Jeb numbers are irrelevant, so. Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: EliteLX on October 05, 2015, 04:12:12 PM Hillary simply can and very well might lose to Jeb or Rubio in 2016.
Simple. Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on October 05, 2015, 04:16:57 PM Jeb is a nonfactor, he wont be nominee its Trump or Fiorina and she can beat either one.
Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: EliteLX on October 05, 2015, 04:21:37 PM Iowa is unpredictable, but the Jeb numbers are irrelevant, so. haha actually no, jeb's numbers are not irrelevant. He's continuously up on a previously D+1 battleground state by 5+ points and Hillarys consistent favorability and view in the state is in the trench. Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: DrScholl on October 05, 2015, 04:29:36 PM Jeb won't be the nominee, he's in single digits in polling behind less experienced candidates and his donors are even concerned about that.
Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 05, 2015, 04:40:50 PM This is October 2015, you all know that?
Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: ElectionsGuy on October 05, 2015, 04:46:41 PM Hillary simply can and very well might lose to Jeb or Rubio in 2016. Simple. She'll lose to Rubio, she has a good chance against Jeb. But these numbers are just crushing to her. I mean, Sanders is consistently polling 5+ points ahead of her. Yeah, the "unelectable" socialist candidate. If she's losing these two states she's likely losing the country. Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on October 05, 2015, 04:48:17 PM Hilary is ahead by 5 against Sanders
Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: DrScholl on October 05, 2015, 05:00:58 PM This is October 2015, you all know that? Good point. Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on October 05, 2015, 05:48:05 PM CO/Ia/Va & OH will be close.
Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: Eraserhead on October 05, 2015, 09:20:38 PM Hilary is ahead by 5 against Sanders wat Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on October 05, 2015, 09:27:10 PM Hilary is ahead by 5 against Sanders wat That comment should have been on the primary board. Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: RFayette on October 05, 2015, 10:00:29 PM NH polls do tend to overstate the GOP's standing at this point in the cycle. I'm not so sure about Iowa though....
Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: Devils30 on October 05, 2015, 10:06:29 PM These polls are oversampling the GOP primary electorate relative to general election voters. Obama approval if it's 47% or so nationally should not be 42% in these states.
That said, I expect NH to keep it's D lean but I see Iowa having an R+1 PVI and flipping with Virginia relative to the national map. Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: bobloblaw on October 05, 2015, 10:28:54 PM It makes little sense that Clinton is up ten points in Wisconsin while being ten points down in Iowa; or for that matter that Sanders is up double digits in Wisconsin but down in Iowa and his neighboring state. No it makes perfect sense. WI voters havent seen her so she is polling like a Dem would poll in WI. NH and IA have seen her up close and DONT LIKE WHAT THEY SEE. Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: Ebsy on October 05, 2015, 11:21:02 PM This is October 2015, you all know that? Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: jaichind on October 06, 2015, 08:12:18 AM Too bad this poll did not poll Rubio against the Dem candidates.
Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: DS0816 on October 08, 2015, 10:31:57 AM This is October 2015, you all know that? Evidently not. Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: King on October 11, 2015, 11:08:29 PM https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=142146.0
Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 11, 2015, 11:09:45 PM Yeah, Clinton isn't going to lose NH. Don't fool yourselves. This is October 2015, you all know that? When the polls six months ago showed Hillary up 20-25 points, where were the red avatars saying 'early polls don't matter'? We assume that people have been through more seasons and should know better. Title: Re: Hillary losing in IA and NH Post by: Maxwell on October 12, 2015, 08:25:11 AM Not polling co-Frontrunner Ben Carson but polling Jeb Bush? Garbage poll.
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