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Title: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 29, 2016, 07:10:53 pm
Time to start this thread, as the 2020 presidential primary season is upon us.  I will post news about the potential 2020 presidential candidates making moves towards running in this thread, including their public statements on the matter, visits to early primary states, etc.

First up: Tom Cotton headed to South Carolina:

http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/story/3a167f82393241a281cceb57aaa47e5e/SC--GOP-Silver-Elephant-Dinner

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Arkansas Sen. Tom Cotton is headlining what the South Carolina Republican Party calls its largest and most prestigious gathering.

State GOP Chairman Matt Moore announced Monday the U.S. senator will be the main speaker at the party's 49th annual Silver Elephant Dinner on May 6.

Last year the event was headlined by Priebus, but the previous four years it was Jindal, Cruz, Rubio, and Santorum, all of whom went on to run for president.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Ted Bessell on March 29, 2016, 07:18:17 pm
Oh. YEAH.

It's on like Donkey Kong up in this. Thanks for taking on the duty, Mr. Morden!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: / on March 29, 2016, 07:31:27 pm
Exciting.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Big Daddy Gonna Take Care Of Us on March 29, 2016, 07:46:53 pm
It's never too early :P.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: This account no longer in use. on March 29, 2016, 10:52:53 pm
Wikipedia mentions Justin Amash, Chris Christie, Tom Cotton, Ted Cruz, and Marco Rubio as potential Republican candidates, as well as Cory Booker and Andrew Cuomo on the Democratic side. There is also, of course, Kanye West, although I doubt he'll actually go through with it.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Leinad on March 29, 2016, 10:54:26 pm
Feel The Cotton!

(That's actually clever considering that cotton is a material you can feel #JokeExplainer)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: mufc1878 on March 29, 2016, 11:20:11 pm
If D wins 2016,

it is obvious that Cotton & Haley will run. Maybe Paul again if we get stuck in a terrible intervention. I would like to see Baker run but 4 years is not enough time for the pro-life simpletons to give up their sway in the R party. Rubio can't run unless he's in the governors office in 2018 and even then it'll look terrible, like he never wants to hold a job - he wouldn't be successful against cotton or haley. I am confident Rubio will not be have a successful potus run in 2020.

Adding Gardner, Mike Lee, Flake, Sasse, Ernst and Thune as potentials.

If they win relection: portman & ayotte

If R wins in 2016,

Booker, Harris, Gillibrand, Klobuchar, & Murphy.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 29, 2016, 11:49:07 pm
Wikipedia mentions Justin Amash, Chris Christie, Tom Cotton, Ted Cruz, and Marco Rubio as potential Republican candidates, as well as Cory Booker and Andrew Cuomo on the Democratic side. There is also, of course, Kanye West, although I doubt he'll actually go through with it.

Right, but that's mixing up people who have themselves said or done something concrete to indicate an interest in running, and those for whom others have speculated that they might run.  The purpose of this thread is to compile tangible evidence that points towards interest on the part of the potential candidate himself (or herself).  So if someone explicitly says that they're not ruling out running, post that here.  Or if they go to an early primary state or go to CPAC or something, post that here.  Whatever indicators we can find out there for presidential candidates, that should be posted here.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 30, 2016, 02:47:14 am
In this story from a few days ago, the New York Times said that "Rubio is likely to run for president again in 2020":

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/28/us/politics/ted-cruz-names-friends-but-silence-from-gop-brass-deafens.html?mtrref=undefined&mtrref=www.nytimes.com&_r=0

But it's not clear what that's based on.  Should be noted that during Rubio's post-dropout press Q&A, he was asked about a future run for president, and he said that he wasn't thinking that far ahead.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 30, 2016, 05:01:24 am
Some more possible indicators…this year, in addition to the remaining presidential candidates themselves, the following people did speeches at CPAC:

Joni Ernst
Carly Fiorina
Mike Lee
Paul Ryan
Tim Scott
Scott Walker

Fiorina and Walker of course ran for prez this year, but they’d already dropped out of the race by the time of CPAC, so their appearances could be read as interested in either being VP this year or president in 2020.

Also, the Des Moines Register had a story a few days ago about the fact that many eventual presidential candidates from years past started out by doing surrogate visits to Iowa for other candidates in the previous cycle.  Here are the names of some of the out-of-state politicians who visited Iowa in the past year in order to campaign for their presidential candidate of choice.  Some of these might run for president themselves in 2020 or later, or maybe for vice president this year:

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2016/03/27/whos-running-president-2020-iowa-visits-offer-hints/82230962/

Tammy Baldwin
Corey Booker
Julian Castro
Bill de Blasio
Kirsten Gillibrand
Tim Kaine
Amy Klobuchar
Tom Perez

Marsha Blackburn
Jim DeMint
Cory Gardner
Mike Lee
Kristi Noem
Sarah Palin
Ben Sasse


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 30, 2016, 05:15:55 am
A few other tidbits about individual candidates.

Justin Amash last year:

link (http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2015/05/rep_justin_amash_keeps_preside.html)

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"I'm 35 now, so anything is possible," said Amash, laughing as he replied to a question about his own presidential aspirations at a rally to welcome Republican presidential hopeful U.S. Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., to Grand Rapids on Monday.

During a July 2014 meeting with The Grand Rapids Press' editorial board, Amash was questioned about seeking other roles beyond a sitting representative.

"I'd love to be (House) speaker some day," said Amash at the time. "I love the idea of bringing people together on common ground.

In 2014, the New York Post reported that Cuomo was looking at running for president in 2020, should the Republicans win the White House this time around:

The New York Post says that Cuomo has no intention of challenging Clinton in 2016 (duh), but is gearing up to run for president in 2020, should the GOP win in 2016:

http://nypost.com/2014/11/03/cuomo-might-run-for-president-in-2020-if-hillary-loses-in-2016/

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Gov. Cuomo’s new autobiography, his recently announced plans to travel to China, Italy and Israel, and his campaign vow to serve a full four-year term if re-elected are the early stages of a well- thought-out, under-the-radar strategy for him to run for president in 2020, not 2016, The Post has learned.

It’s a six-year strategy based on the ironic assumption that Hillary Rodham Clinton, the all-but-certain Democratic candidate for president in 2016, is defeated by the Republican candidate that year, whoever it turns out to be, Democratic Party insiders said.

Cuomo, who has privately ruled out challenging Clinton because he knows he can’t beat her, is “focused on the possibility that Hillary could easily lose the election and what that means for his political future,’’ said a top Democratic official with longstanding ties to the governor.

“If Hillary does go down and a Republican wins — and that could certainly happen after eight years of Obama — then the Democratic field will be cleared for 2020 and Andrew can make his move,’’ the official said.


Last year, Booker said he didn’t want to be president:


http://thehill.com/230020-senate-dem-denies-white-house-aspirations

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In a panel segment with host Larry Wilmore called “Keep it 100,” guests were asked to give answers that were “100 percent real” and authentic.

“Bring it,” Booker said as Wilmore, a “Daily Show” alum, prepared to deliver his question to the lawmaker.

“Do you want to be president?” Wilmore asked.

“Uh, no,” Booker — whom many have speculated might be eyeing a White House bid — replied with a chuckle.



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Senator Cris on March 30, 2016, 07:30:53 am
IT BEGINS!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: ExtremeConservative on March 30, 2016, 07:35:16 am
Some more possible indicators…this year, in addition to the remaining presidential candidates themselves, the following people did speeches at CPAC:

Joni Ernst
Carly Fiorina
Mike Lee
Paul Ryan
Tim Scott
Scott Walker

Fiorina and Walker of course ran for prez this year, but they’d already dropped out of the race by the time of CPAC, so their appearances could be read as interested in either being VP this year or president in 2020.

Also, the Des Moines Register had a story a few days ago about the fact that many eventual presidential candidates from years past started out by doing surrogate visits to Iowa for other candidates in the previous cycle.  Here are the names of some of the out-of-state politicians who visited Iowa in the past year in order to campaign for their presidential candidate of choice.  Some of these might run for president themselves in 2020 or later, or maybe for vice president this year:

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2016/03/27/whos-running-president-2020-iowa-visits-offer-hints/82230962/

Tammy Baldwin
Corey Booker
Julian Castro
Bill de Blasio
Kirsten Gillibrand
Tim Kaine
Amy Klobuchar
Tom Perez

Marsha Blackburn
Jim DeMint
Cory Gardner
Mike Lee
Kristi Noem
Sarah Palin
Ben Sasse


I can share more a bit later, but I was at CPAC this year, and some of them (like Walker and Ryan) had very high profile speaking times (Walker was the opening speaker, for instance).  But, I actually think some of Walker's moves might be towards getting nominated this year as a compromise choice.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Clark Kent on March 30, 2016, 07:45:07 am
Depending on which Republican wins, there might even be a primary challenge. If it's Senator Cruz or Governor Kasich, then they'll be safe, but if it's trump...


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Senator Cris on March 30, 2016, 08:01:28 am
33 Senate seats will be up for grabs in 2020. Among these 33 seats, there are some Senators who might be interested in running for President: Tom Cotton (R-AR), Cory Gardner (R-CO), Joni Ernst (R-IA), Gary Peters (D-MI), Al Franken (D-MN), Ben Sasse (R-NE), Cory Booker (R-NJ), Mark Warner (D-VA), Shelley Moore Capito (R-WV).

Back in November, an Arkansas lawmaker proposed a bill that would allow candidates to seek multiple federal offices in the same election. I don't know what's the status of that bill right now.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/11/tom-cotton-president-2020_n_6849064.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: ExtremeConservative on March 31, 2016, 03:52:24 pm
One other CPAC note:

Scott Walker stayed around CPAC for a few hours after his speech and was willing to talk with attendees and take pictures with them.  He was by far the most high profile politician to do that (the only other ones that I met at anything other than a formal organized event were Kelli Ward and Jim Gilmore).


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Crumpets on April 01, 2016, 10:32:05 am
Did Kanye say he'd run as an independent, or as a Democrat? A Kanye primary of President Hillary would be one for the books.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 04, 2016, 11:00:34 pm
Walker keeping his options open. (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/scott-walker-republican-wisconsin-221549)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on April 05, 2016, 12:53:43 am
Walker keeping his options open. (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/scott-walker-republican-wisconsin-221549)

Some excerpts:

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The Wisconsin governor left a key piece of his national political infrastructure in place: Our American Revival, the tax-exempt "527" organization that housed his pre-presidential campaign operation, continues to collect funding from big-money GOP donors and fund some of Walker’s travel.
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A D.C. Republican was more blunt: "The 527 ... leaves all options open for what he wants to do next," the Republican said. "Run for governor, not run, run for president in 2020 — it's a vehicle for whatever he wants."
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Walker's schedule in recent months has included not only bill signings in Green Bay and constituent meetings in Prairie du Chien, but also fundraisers and other political events from Honolulu to West Palm Beach. A Wisconsin Democrat spotted the governor at LaGuardia Airport in New York City earlier this month. And Walker was a featured speaker at RGA events in D.C. in February, where he also raised money to pay down his presidential campaign's debt.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: ExtremeConservative on April 05, 2016, 09:45:04 am
Walker keeping his options open. (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/scott-walker-republican-wisconsin-221549)

Some excerpts:

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The Wisconsin governor left a key piece of his national political infrastructure in place: Our American Revival, the tax-exempt "527" organization that housed his pre-presidential campaign operation, continues to collect funding from big-money GOP donors and fund some of Walker’s travel.
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A D.C. Republican was more blunt: "The 527 ... leaves all options open for what he wants to do next," the Republican said. "Run for governor, not run, run for president in 2020 — it's a vehicle for whatever he wants."
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Walker's schedule in recent months has included not only bill signings in Green Bay and constituent meetings in Prairie du Chien, but also fundraisers and other political events from Honolulu to West Palm Beach. A Wisconsin Democrat spotted the governor at LaGuardia Airport in New York City earlier this month. And Walker was a featured speaker at RGA events in D.C. in February, where he also raised money to pay down his presidential campaign's debt.


I wonder if this means he is keeping his options open for 2016 as a white knight nominee?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on April 05, 2016, 10:29:52 am
Rubio allies are urging him to run again in 2020, and he's said to be open to it:

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/04/politics/marco-rubio-political-future/index.html

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In private conversations with supporters and donors over the last several weeks, the 44-year-old Rubio repeatedly gets this advice: Run again, potentially in 2020, according to several people familiar with the conversations.

And Rubio, sources said, is certainly open to it. Some of his allies are even urging Rubio to withhold supporting Ted Cruz because such endorsements have made little difference this campaign season and the two could face off again in a future contest.

Despite his presidential stumbles this year, Rubio plans to be visible during the campaign season for House and Senate candidates, sources said. In particular, Rubio hopes to become a high-profile surrogate for many down-ballot Republicans who may decide to run away from their party's nominee if it's either Cruz or Donald Trump, the sources said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: The Unbearable Inevitability of Matt Bevin on April 06, 2016, 03:08:23 am
You have to have a lot of balls (Can Angel confirm?) to think about running for president again 3 weeks after getting demolished in your home state by a reality TV star and dropping out of the race in disgrace.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Swing State Ohio on April 06, 2016, 08:52:15 pm
Rubio's such a petty glory hound.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Young Conservative on April 07, 2016, 08:23:18 am
If D wins 2016,

it is obvious that Cotton & Haley will run. Maybe Paul again if we get stuck in a terrible intervention. I would like to see Baker run but 4 years is not enough time for the pro-life simpletons to give up their sway in the R party. Rubio can't run unless he's in the governors office in 2018 and even then it'll look terrible, like he never wants to hold a job - he wouldn't be successful against cotton or haley. I am confident Rubio will not be have a successful potus run in 2020.

Adding Gardner, Mike Lee, Flake, Sasse, Ernst and Thune as potentials.

If they win relection: portman & ayotte

If R wins in 2016,

Booker, Harris, Gillibrand, Klobuchar, & Murphy.
Murphy won't win the senate seat though. #rondesantis2016


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: NOT gonna be banned soon on April 11, 2016, 12:11:55 pm
If a Republican wins, Julian Castro or Sherrod Brown can be possibilities


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Medal506 on April 11, 2016, 04:08:57 pm
President Ted Cruz
Vice President Scott Walker
Secretary of State John Bolton



Democratic Primary

Elizabeth Warren Nominee
Andrew Coumo
Cory Booker
Bernie Sanders
Donald J Trump
Martin O'Malley
Jim Webb



General Election

Electoral votes

Cruz 443 - Warren 95



Swing stages

California
Oregon
Washington
Hawaii 
New Jersey
Pennsylvania
Delaware
Maryland
Florida
North Carolina
Arizona
Iowa
Wisconsin
Michigan
Virginia
West Virginia
Ohio
Indiana
Colorado
Nevada
New Hampshire


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Ted Bessell on April 11, 2016, 07:54:32 pm
Swing stages

California
Oregon
Washington
Hawaii 
New Jersey
Pennsylvania
Delaware
Maryland
Florida
North Carolina
Arizona
Iowa
Wisconsin
Michigan
Virginia
West Virginia
Ohio
Indiana
Colorado
Nevada
New Hampshire


TN Volunteer would be proud.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: ExtremeConservative on April 11, 2016, 07:56:29 pm
Swing stages

California
Oregon
Washington
Hawaii 
New Jersey
Pennsylvania
Delaware
Maryland
Florida
North Carolina
Arizona
Iowa
Wisconsin
Michigan
Virginia
West Virginia
Ohio
Indiana
Colorado
Nevada
New Hampshire


TN Volunteer would be proud.

Are we sure that this poster isn't him?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Ted Bessell on April 11, 2016, 08:04:41 pm
Swing stages

California
Oregon
Washington
Hawaii 
New Jersey
Pennsylvania
Delaware
Maryland
Florida
North Carolina
Arizona
Iowa
Wisconsin
Michigan
Virginia
West Virginia
Ohio
Indiana
Colorado
Nevada
New Hampshire


TN Volunteer would be proud.

Are we sure that this poster isn't him?

No. It wouldn't surprise me in the least, though.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: ExtremeConservative on April 11, 2016, 08:33:16 pm
(http://uselectionatlas.org/TOOLS/genusmap.php?year=2012&ev_c=1&pv_p=0&ev_p=1&AL=2;9;6&AK=2;3;6&AZ=2;11;6&AR=2;6;6&CA=2;55;6&CO=2;9;3&CT=1;7;3&DE=2;3;6&DC=1;3;6&FL=2;29;3&GA=2;16;6&HI=2;4;6&ID=2;4;6&IL=0;20;3&IN=2;11;6&IA=2;6;3&KS=2;6;6&KY=2;8;6&LA=2;8;6&MD=2;10;6&MA=1;11;6&MI=2;16;3&MN=2;10;3&MS=2;6;6&MO=2;10;6&MT=2;3;6&NV=2;6;3&NH=1;4;3&NJ=2;14;3&NM=0;5;3&NY=1;29;6&NC=2;15;6&ND=2;3;6&OH=2;18;3&OK=2;7;6&OR=2;7;3&PA=2;20;3&RI=1;4;6&SC=2;9;6&SD=2;3;6&TN=2;11;6&TX=2;38;6&UT=2;6;6&VT=1;3;6&VA=2;13;3&WA=2;12;6&WV=2;5;6&WI=2;10;3&WY=2;3;6&ME=0;2;3&ME1=0;1;6&ME2=0;1;3&NE=2;2;6&NE1=2;1;6&NE2=2;1;6&NE3=2;1;6)

I left blank the states that were unclear based on the rest, but I guess that Warren is just a Northeast candidate in this map.  Even all of the others would only get her to 90.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on April 11, 2016, 08:52:25 pm
Guys, can we please leave your own personal predictions of who should run or what the electoral map will look like for other threads?  There are plenty of other threads for that.  This thread is for tracking news on what the prospective 2020 presidential candidates are doing.

The news today is that Mike Lee is looking to move into the Senate leadership:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/lee-leadership-senate-221818

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Sen. Mike Lee will run for a Republican leadership post currently held by Sen. John Barrasso, a surprise move that instantly roils the Senate GOP.

The announcement could set up a clash between the first-term Utah senator and Barrasso, a low-key Wyoming senator, for the No. 4 slot of Republican Policy Committee chairman. Barrasso is eligible to serve one more two-year term after this year, though GOP leaders are term-limited to three two-year terms. GOP leadership elections typically occur at the of the year before the new session.

I leave it to you to decipher whether that means Lee is more or less likely to run for president in a few years.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: ExtremeConservative on April 11, 2016, 10:38:04 pm
Guys, can we please leave your own personal predictions of who should run or what the electoral map will look like for other threads?  There are plenty of other threads for that.  This thread is for tracking news on what the prospective 2020 presidential candidates are doing.

The news today is that Mike Lee is looking to move into the Senate leadership:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/lee-leadership-senate-221818

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Sen. Mike Lee will run for a Republican leadership post currently held by Sen. John Barrasso, a surprise move that instantly roils the Senate GOP.

The announcement could set up a clash between the first-term Utah senator and Barrasso, a low-key Wyoming senator, for the No. 4 slot of Republican Policy Committee chairman. Barrasso is eligible to serve one more two-year term after this year, though GOP leaders are term-limited to three two-year terms. GOP leadership elections typically occur at the of the year before the new session.

I leave it to you to decipher whether that means Lee is more or less likely to run for president in a few years.


I wasn't making a prediction- I was just putting his into a map form.  Sorry, though!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: THE BuckeyeNut on April 11, 2016, 11:07:15 pm
If a Republican wins, Julian Castro or Sherrod Brown can be possibilities
Sherrod Brown does not want to be President.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Big Daddy Gonna Take Care Of Us on April 12, 2016, 02:21:38 pm
Rubio might as well run for POTUS again. Being demolished a second time in a longshot presidential bid is not as bad as being demolished by Putnam in the gubernatorial primary.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on April 12, 2016, 08:50:18 pm
In yet another sign that Rubio is looking to run again, he's apparently planning to avoid taking any job on Wall Street because it would be a political liability for a future run:

http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/2016/04/05/rubio-thinks-wall-st-is-kiss-death-for-second-run-at-white-house.html

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But Rubio has said in these discussions that from a political standpoint he will find it difficult to take any job that is related to Wall Street given the negative stigma now attached to the banking business following the 2008 financial collapse.
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“Marco wants to make some money but he doesn’t want to make it on Wall Street,” said one GOP operative with close ties to Rubio. “He saw what happened to others with Wall Street connections this year and he doesn’t want that albatross.”
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Rubio, these people say, could go on a speaking tour, given his fascinating life story as the son of Cuban immigrants who settled in Miami after escaping the oppression of the Castro regime. But again, the entities that pay the biggest fees are those with the biggest possible conflicts, such as law firms, hedge funds and banks.

One person who spoke to Rubio said the Florida senator (and well-known Miami Dolphins football fan) recently joked about his lack of options. “He said I want to be president of the U.S. and the Dolphins but both of those jobs are taken,” this person said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on April 12, 2016, 09:05:41 pm
Because I only started this thread a few weeks ago, I'm still catching up on news from months ago.  E.g., in February, Justin Amash sounded like someone with presidential ambitions:

http://rare.us/story/would-justin-amash-run-for-president/

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Rare: Many libertarians are dying to know: Would you consider running for president some day?

Justin Amash: It’s important that we have a strong libertarian voice running for president. And it’s important that we win. So, yes.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Young Texan on April 14, 2016, 09:41:49 am
Matt Bevin would be a fantastic candidate.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: JohnathanOHughes on April 17, 2016, 03:36:46 pm
If Hillary Clinton wins in 2016:
Democratic: Hillary Clinton/Thomas Perez
Republican: Marco Rubio/John Kasich x
[Republicans win in a landslide]

If Kasich wins in 2016:
Democratic: Elizabeth Warren/Andrew Cuomo
Republican: John Kasich/Marco Rubio x
[Kasich reelected in sizable victory]

-If Cruz or Trump wins nomination in 2016, they automatically loose to Hillary Clinton, they are not even within 8 points of her, but Kasich is 7 up in the latest poll.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: / on April 19, 2016, 06:10:21 am
Because I only started this thread a few weeks ago, I'm still catching up on news from months ago.  E.g., in February, Justin Amash sounded like someone with presidential ambitions:

http://rare.us/story/would-justin-amash-run-for-president/

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Rare: Many libertarians are dying to know: Would you consider running for president some day?

Justin Amash: It’s important that we have a strong libertarian voice running for president. And it’s important that we win. So, yes.


tbh I'd rather have Cruz than this guy


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Ted Bessell on April 19, 2016, 04:54:24 pm
Feel The Cotton!

(That's actually clever considering that cotton is a material you can feel #JokeExplainer)
Pick Cotton! The ads write themselves.

He'd do awful among black voters with that slogan... :P


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on April 20, 2016, 07:51:28 pm
Ryan not ruling out a run for president in 2020 or beyond:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/will-paul-ryan-run-for-president-222189

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Asked in an interview with CNN late Tuesday whether his repeated comments that he would not seek or accept the GOP nomination this year would preclude him from ever running for the presidency, Ryan demurred.

“Well, no, but I don’t think that far down the road," the Wisconsin Republican said. "I made a decision in this cycle for 2016 not to run for president."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Classic Conservative on April 20, 2016, 09:13:04 pm
Feel The Cotton!

(That's actually clever considering that cotton is a material you can feel #JokeExplainer)
Pick Cotton! The ads write themselves.
That's sounds like a slavery quote


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on April 21, 2016, 05:50:19 am
Christie says it’s his intention to return to the private sector when his term ends, but says “you never say never” on a future run for president or VP:

http://nj1015.com/christie-its-time-for-me-to-make-some-money/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: sportydude on April 21, 2016, 11:14:04 am
Feel The Cotton!

Sounds like an ad slogan for a tampon.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on April 22, 2016, 03:12:59 am
Susana Martinez is using her PAC like someone with an eye on national office, whether that be the presidency or the vice presidency:

http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/story/366095d9fa6b4ebaa91c291c2c1f11a2/NM--New-Mexico-Governor-Fundraising

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Second-term Gov. Susana Martinez is raising money through a political action committee as if she still is a contender, and lavishing more funds than ever on a Republican strategist while taking her tough-talking agenda on immigration issues and taxes to out-of-state audiences.
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Martinez has crisscrossed the country on fundraising forays for Republican causes the past two years. Her tenure as chairwoman of the Republican Governors Association coincides with large contributions, including $1 million from billionaire casino owner Sheldon Adelson, though 2016 receipts are not yet public.

At the same time, the former district attorney from Las Cruces cares for a developmentally disabled sister who accompanied her to New York this week.

Speculation about a vice presidential candidacy has been dampened by an embarrassing episode at the governor's holiday staff party at a Santa Fe hotel in December, as well as a grand jury investigation — recently dropped — into adviser McCleskey's handling of payments to his company from Martinez's inaugural committee account.

In other Martinez news, she’s just gone hard after Trump, so I wouldn’t be expecting her to show up on his veep list in the near future:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/04/19/new-mexico-gov-susana-martinez-makes-sharp-critique-of-trump-at-rga-donor-event/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: morgieb on April 22, 2016, 10:00:41 am
Feel The Cotton!

Sounds like an ad slogan for a tampon.
TAMPON TOM FOR 2020


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: beaver2.0 on April 22, 2016, 10:49:32 am
Donald J Trump
Martin O'Malley
Jim Webb
I don't think Trump will run as a Democrat.  O'Malley and Webb are probably done, unless they get a Secretaryship and run on their successes in that.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: sportydude on April 25, 2016, 01:17:13 pm
Can Tom Cotton run for both Senate and President?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: This account no longer in use. on April 25, 2016, 01:21:03 pm
Can Tom Cotton run for both Senate and President?

The AR legislature passed a law recently specifically so that Cotton could.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: UWS on April 25, 2016, 11:21:44 pm
On the other hand, it can depend on what happens in 2016. If Ted Cruz beats Donald Trump in a brokered convention, Trump could be so very angry that he could declare a third-party candidacy, thus splitting the conservative vote including in Arkansas. If happens like this we might witness the increase of a Democratic legislature in this state, which could put in danger the law you're talking about.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on April 29, 2016, 07:32:39 pm
Rand Paul on whether he’ll run next time:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/rand-back-senate-222281

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Though he wouldn’t slam the door shut on another national bid, Paul sounded wary, saying it would be a “surprise” if it happened.

“It’s hard to ask somebody who just spent a lot of effort being here and there and being everywhere in between about doing it again. It’s not something that I can immediately say, ‘Oh my goodness, I’m looking forward to 2020,’” Paul said, even as he conceded that “2020 would be perfect for an ophthalmologist.”

“It’s a never say never,” Paul said, but “really all I can see in the near-term future is making sure I do a good job for Kentucky. I’m running for reelection, and then I want to be a big voice in the Senate.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 29, 2016, 08:30:10 pm
Sasse keynoting an IAGOP Polk County dinner. (https://twitter.com/jasonnobleDMR/status/726191718215766017)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 02, 2016, 06:50:21 am
Top Rubio supporter says he thinks Rubio runs again. (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/ted-cruz-marco-rubio-endorsement-222686)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on May 02, 2016, 06:53:42 am
Top Rubio supporter says he thinks Rubio runs again. (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/ted-cruz-marco-rubio-endorsement-222686)

Rubio himself implied as much in his drop out speech.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on May 02, 2016, 07:13:19 am
Top Rubio supporter says he thinks Rubio runs again. (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/ted-cruz-marco-rubio-endorsement-222686)

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“Trust me, for us, the best scenario is for Ted Cruz to be the nominee this year,” another top supporter said. “It would knock Trump out. Then Cruz would run against Hillary and get slaughtered and he won’t be our problem in four years if Marco runs again. And I think he’ll run again.”

Rubio wouldn’t discuss those scenarios. He said 2020 is so far away and “I don’t even know what I’ll be doing in January 2017” when he leaves the senate.

I think that's right.  With Trump as the nominee this time, Cruz is pretty much a lock to run again in 2020.  So yeah, Rubio would probably prefer that Cruz be nominated this time, so that he'll be out of the picture by 2020.  :P


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: darthpi on May 03, 2016, 11:52:10 pm
With Trump now the presumptive Republican nominee, I have to assume that we are so far through the looking glass as a country that a Kanye run is absolutely a real possibility.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: ExtremeConservative on May 03, 2016, 11:56:14 pm
With Trump now the presumptive Republican nominee, I have to assume that we are so far through the looking glass as a country that a Kanye run is absolutely a real possibility.

Do we have to consider the possibility of a Trump vs. Kanye general election (assuming that Kanye runs as a Democrat)?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on May 04, 2016, 05:31:33 am
Mike Lee has managed to get himself on the RNC Rules Committee:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/twelve-thirty-seven/2016/05/mike-lee-convention-rules-committee-222758

which means that he might just have a hand in any early changes being made in the rules for the 2020 presidential primaries (which Lee himself might be running in).


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on May 04, 2016, 05:46:26 am
Cruz 2020:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/ted-cruz-faces-reality-and-turns-to-2020/481152/

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Far from endorsing Trump, Cruz signaled that he was about to join, in spirit if not officially, the collection of conservatives who now believe the 2016 presidential election is a lost cause, that Hillary Clinton is not only the presumptive Democratic nominee but the presumptive 45th president of the United States. Cruz modeled his speech on Ronald Reagan’s address, as a runner-up, to the 1976 Republican National Convention in Kansas City. What he didn’t need to say was that four years after that speech, Reagan ran again and defeated the embattled Democratic president, Jimmy Carter. Cruz, who is just 45 years old, didn’t need to lay it out explicitly, but he might as well have launched his 2020 campaign right then and there in Indiana. “Hear me now,” he said instead, “I am not suspending our fight for liberty. I am not suspending our fight to defend the Constitution.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: ExtremeConservative on May 04, 2016, 11:17:42 pm
Santorum told me that he still wants to be president.  Let's see if he gives it another go!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Comrade Funk on May 05, 2016, 07:12:33 pm
Santorum told me that he still wants to be president.  Let's see if he gives it another go!
Are we looking at our new Harold Stassen?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on May 09, 2016, 08:55:51 pm
Ryan talks 2020, denies interest (but what else would you expect him to say?):

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/279213-ryan-ill-step-down-as-convention-chairman-if-trump-asks

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Ryan during the Monday interview also dismissed a suggestion from Trump supporter Sarah Palin over the weekend that he is trying to divide the GOP against this year’s presumptive nominee to boost his own 2020 presidential prospects.

"I would not have become speaker of the House if I had 2020 aspirations. If I really wanted to run for president, I could have run in 2012 and 2016. The speaker is not exactly a good stepping stone for president. I think people who know me know that is not my aspiration," Ryan said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: President Johnson on May 10, 2016, 01:01:20 pm
Top Rubio supporter says he thinks Rubio runs again. (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/ted-cruz-marco-rubio-endorsement-222686)

Also against an incumbent president of his own party?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: This account no longer in use. on May 10, 2016, 06:01:30 pm
Top Rubio supporter says he thinks Rubio runs again. (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/ted-cruz-marco-rubio-endorsement-222686)

Also against an incumbent president of his own party?

You really are drinking a hell of a lot of Kool Aid.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: SUSAN CRUSHBONE on May 10, 2016, 06:23:23 pm
Santorum told me that he still wants to be president.  Let's see if he gives it another go!
Are we looking at our new Harold Stassen?
no, he's just gonna wheedle a cabinet spot out of someone and then assassinate everyone above him


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 11, 2016, 07:53:20 am
Cotton gives a non-denial (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-05-11/12-questions-for-tom-cotton) denial of his interest to Dave Catanese, says he'll be campaigning for GOP Senate candidates this fall. (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-05-11/tom-cotton-gets-a-jump-start-on-2020-in-south-carolina)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: President Johnson on May 11, 2016, 03:26:25 pm
Top Rubio supporter says he thinks Rubio runs again. (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/ted-cruz-marco-rubio-endorsement-222686)

Also against an incumbent president of his own party?

You really are drinking a hell of a lot of Kool Aid.

No, just this ;)

(http://static.businessinsider.com/image/5432f5b46da811a02ee4abb9-400/image.jpg)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 12, 2016, 06:40:55 am
NYT: "Sasse and Cotton are widely seen as angling for a run." (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/12/us/politics/paul-ryan-caught-between-desire-for-gop-unity-and-future-agenda.html?_r=0)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: THE BuckeyeNut on May 13, 2016, 10:40:46 am
I know Arkansas cleared the way for Cotton to run for POTUS and re-election to the Senate, but can Sasse do the same in Nebraska?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: UWS on May 13, 2016, 11:13:45 am
What if the Arkansas legislature goes to a Democratic majority in November because of Trump?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Comrade Funk on May 13, 2016, 01:05:57 pm
Tom Cotton would beat Walker/Cruz as most hateable face


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: This account no longer in use. on May 13, 2016, 02:28:19 pm
What if the Arkansas legislature goes to a Democratic majority in November because of Trump?

The Arkansas Democratic Party is dead.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on May 15, 2016, 05:08:27 am
22:30 of this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF4GSbqEIEE

Rubio asked if he’ll become a lobbyist, run for governor in 2018, run for president in 2020, etc.?  Rubio rules out becoming a lobbyist or running for governor.  Doesn’t address the question of whether he might run for president again.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: KingSweden on May 15, 2016, 07:33:07 pm
Feel The Cotton!

(That's actually clever considering that cotton is a material you can feel #JokeExplainer)
Pick Cotton! The ads write themselves.

He'd do awful among black voters with that slogan... :P

Hot damn that might be the worst campaign slogan ever if he went with that.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: This account no longer in use. on May 15, 2016, 07:37:22 pm
Feel The Cotton!

(That's actually clever considering that cotton is a material you can feel #JokeExplainer)
Pick Cotton! The ads write themselves.

He'd do awful among black voters with that slogan... :P

Hot damn that might be the worst campaign slogan ever if he went with that.

Jindal? Tanned, Rested, Ready.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Fargobison on May 16, 2016, 09:53:47 pm
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Marco RubioVerified account
‏@marcorubio
As for future in politics, well it's nearly impossible for someone not in office to ever become a successful candidate for President.Right?

https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/732402556903821313


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: UWS on May 17, 2016, 08:40:02 am
No it's not impossible at all. There are many examples in history :

-In 1952, General Dwight D. Eisenhower was never elected in office but easily won the presidency.

-In 1968, former vice-president Richard Nixon was out office but succesfully ran for President and won on November 1968.

-In 1980, former California governor Ronald Reagan was out of office but easily won the Republican nomination and beat President Jimmy Carter by a landslide.

-In 2012, former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney was out of political office but became a successful presidential candidateby winning the Republican nomination.

So Rubio can be a successful presidential candidate in 2020 even without being in office. If there's really a recession under Hillary Clinton's term, the Republicans will know that to win the White House in order to grow the economy and get America back on track, they need to win more Hispanic votes and Marco Rubio is the best positionned to do so. In addition, if he plans to run for president again in 2020 while being a private citizen in the next 4 years, I think Rubio could work for a think tank to bring up some alternatives to Clinton's bad policies, then campaign and fundraise for Republican mid-term candidates in 2018 (like Romney did in 2010 before running for President in 2012) which is likely to lead to a Republican supermajority. Then Rubio will surely be viable enough to run for President in 2020.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on May 18, 2016, 05:27:26 am
Also neither Clinton nor Trump are currently in office, and one of them will be the next President, so....

But I think Rubio was being sarcastic.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on May 19, 2016, 07:49:31 pm
More Cruz 2020 talk:

http://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Cruz-what-next-7729331.php

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Cruz insiders and political analysts who have followed his career say all the signs point to another run in 2020, when the tea party champion will only be only 49-years old.

“My guess is that he intends to run again and will run in 2020, on the presumption that it will be Hillary’s midterm,” said Texas GOP strategist Matt Mackowiak, referring to Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Young Conservative on May 20, 2016, 10:17:43 am
No it's not impossible at all. There are many examples in history :

-In 1952, General Dwight D. Eisenhower was never elected in office but easily won the presidency.

-In 1968, former vice-president Richard Nixon was out office but succesfully ran for President and won on November 1968.

-In 1980, former California governor Ronald Reagan was out of office but easily won the Republican nomination and beat President Jimmy Carter by a landslide.

-In 2012, former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney was out of political office but became a successful presidential candidateby winning the Republican nomination.

So Rubio can be a successful presidential candidate in 2020 even without being in office. If there's really a recession under Hillary Clinton's term, the Republicans will know that to win the White House in order to grow the economy and get America back on track, they need to win more Hispanic votes and Marco Rubio is the best positionned to do so. In addition, if he plans to run for president again in 2020 while being a private citizen in the next 4 years, I think Rubio could work for a think tank to bring up some alternatives to Clinton's bad policies, then campaign and fundraise for Republican mid-term candidates in 2018 (like Romney did in 2010 before running for President in 2012) which is likely to lead to a Republican supermajority. Then Rubio will surely be viable enough to run for President in 2020.
But he will likely be our governor so He will probably be in office


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: This account no longer in use. on May 20, 2016, 10:22:03 am
But his approval rating is underwater.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on May 21, 2016, 08:41:48 am
Ed Kilgore has a new story on Cotton, and how he's positioning himself for either the Trump or post-Trump GOP:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/05/tom-cotton-has-both-a-trump-and-post-trump-plan.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: megameow on May 23, 2016, 01:22:04 am
Considering how wrong people's 2016 predictions were even a year before, let alone 4 years before, I'll just throw out a curve ball and saw Democratic Nominee Kamala Harris and Republican Nominee Tim Scott.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: The Unbearable Inevitability of Matt Bevin on May 23, 2016, 07:31:43 am
Considering how wrong people's 2016 predictions were even a year before, let alone 4 years before, I'll just throw out a curve ball and saw Democratic Nominee Kamala Harris and Republican Nominee Tim Scott.

Uh, I'll have you know my Dem prediction in the past 3 years was right on. ;)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on May 26, 2016, 07:24:11 pm
In this story about Rubio saying that he’s up for speaking at this year’s RNC, he says it’s a “safe assumption” that he’ll run for office again:

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/26/politics/marco-rubio-going-to-convention-donald-trump/index.html

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He also said his political aspirations aren't over, calling it a "safe assumption" that he'll run for office -- the presidency or something else -- again.

"I can tell you I enjoy public service. If there's an opportunity to serve again in a way that I feel passionate about, I'll most certainly think I would explore it," Rubio said. "But I don't know where I'm going to be in two years. I don't know what my life will look like then."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Big Daddy Gonna Take Care Of Us on May 26, 2016, 07:30:02 pm
No it's not impossible at all. There are many examples in history :

-In 1952, General Dwight D. Eisenhower was never elected in office but easily won the presidency.

-In 1968, former vice-president Richard Nixon was out office but succesfully ran for President and won on November 1968.

-In 1980, former California governor Ronald Reagan was out of office but easily won the Republican nomination and beat President Jimmy Carter by a landslide.

-In 2012, former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney was out of political office but became a successful presidential candidateby winning the Republican nomination.

So Rubio can be a successful presidential candidate in 2020 even without being in office. If there's really a recession under Hillary Clinton's term, the Republicans will know that to win the White House in order to grow the economy and get America back on track, they need to win more Hispanic votes and Marco Rubio is the best positionned to do so. In addition, if he plans to run for president again in 2020 while being a private citizen in the next 4 years, I think Rubio could work for a think tank to bring up some alternatives to Clinton's bad policies, then campaign and fundraise for Republican mid-term candidates in 2018 (like Romney did in 2010 before running for President in 2012) which is likely to lead to a Republican supermajority. Then Rubio will surely be viable enough to run for President in 2020.
But he will likely be our governor so He will probably be in office
Do you follow Florida politics at all?

In this story about Rubio saying that he’s up for speaking at this year’s RNC, he says it’s a “safe assumption” that he’ll run for office again:

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/26/politics/marco-rubio-going-to-convention-donald-trump/index.html

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He also said his political aspirations aren't over, calling it a "safe assumption" that he'll run for office -- the presidency or something else -- again.

"I can tell you I enjoy public service. If there's an opportunity to serve again in a way that I feel passionate about, I'll most certainly think I would explore it," Rubio said. "But I don't know where I'm going to be in two years. I don't know what my life will look like then."
Of course he'll run again-for President only. Anything else is a demotion in his eyes, even Governor, and he can't do to Putnam what he did to Jeb and expect the RPOF or anyone of any remote importance what so ever in Tallahassee to go along.

Considering how wrong people's 2016 predictions were even a year before, let alone 4 years before, I'll just throw out a curve ball and saw Democratic Nominee Kamala Harris and Republican Nominee Tim Scott.

Uh, I'll have you know my Dem prediction in the past 3 years was right on. ;)
Yeah, you and everyone else's prediction :P


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: The Unbearable Inevitability of Matt Bevin on May 27, 2016, 01:19:08 pm
Considering how wrong people's 2016 predictions were even a year before, let alone 4 years before, I'll just throw out a curve ball and saw Democratic Nominee Kamala Harris and Republican Nominee Tim Scott.

Uh, I'll have you know my Dem prediction in the past 3 years was right on. ;)
Yeah, you and everyone else's prediction :P

Oh how quickly we forget the hype...

- She won't even run
- Warren will jump in and beat her
- Sanders' summer surge is the end of her
- Biden will jump in and beat her
- Sanders' January surge is the end of her
- Sanders' NH win is the end of her
- Sanders' Michigan win is the end of her
- Sanders March-early April winning streak is the end of her


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: NeverAgain on May 27, 2016, 02:18:02 pm
Considering how wrong people's 2016 predictions were even a year before, let alone 4 years before, I'll just throw out a curve ball and saw Democratic Nominee Kamala Harris and Republican Nominee Tim Scott.

Uh, I'll have you know my Dem prediction in the past 3 years was right on. ;)
Yeah, you and everyone else's prediction :P

Oh how quickly we forget the hype...

- She won't even run
- Warren will jump in and beat her
- Sanders' summer surge is the end of her
- Biden will jump in and beat her
- Sanders' January surge is the end of her
- Sanders' NH win is the end of her
- Sanders' Michigan win is the end of her
- Sanders March-early April winning streak is the end of her

Kinda remember the same thing after Iowa, SC, Super Tuesday, etc. for Bernie. It's all how you see the world, I guess.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Big Daddy Gonna Take Care Of Us on May 28, 2016, 06:46:44 pm
Considering how wrong people's 2016 predictions were even a year before, let alone 4 years before, I'll just throw out a curve ball and saw Democratic Nominee Kamala Harris and Republican Nominee Tim Scott.

Uh, I'll have you know my Dem prediction in the past 3 years was right on. ;)
Yeah, you and everyone else's prediction :P

Oh how quickly we forget the hype...

- She won't even run
- Warren will jump in and beat her
- Sanders' summer surge is the end of her
- Biden will jump in and beat her
- Sanders' January surge is the end of her
- Sanders' NH win is the end of her
- Sanders' Michigan win is the end of her
- Sanders March-early April winning streak is the end of her
Again, you assume everyone is a Berniebro. Not remotely true.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on May 29, 2016, 09:35:44 pm
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/marco-rubio-campaign-223696

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Marco Rubio may run for office again “one day.”

The Florida senator sat down for a lengthy interview with Jake Tapper for CNN’s "State of the Union" on Sunday to discuss the missteps of his failed presidential campaign.

“I’ll learn from this,” Rubio said. “And whether I run for president again one day or run for something else or do this in the business world, there are lessons I will take from this that will make me stronger and better as a result.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Horsemask on May 29, 2016, 10:46:10 pm
Tom Cotton running for President? Uh, no thanks.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on May 30, 2016, 10:09:14 pm
Cotton is asked about 2020, and invokes Dumb & Dumber:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/tom-cotton-run-future-223673

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Indeed, Cotton won’t say exactly what he’s up to. He acknowledges that 2020 presidential speculation is probably inevitable but won’t pop the balloon.

“You guys are like Lloyd from ‘Dumb and Dumber’: ‘So you’re telling me there’s a chance?’” Cotton jokes, likening the media and its incessant questions about a possible White House bid to Jim Carrey’s low-IQ movie character.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Kingpoleon on May 31, 2016, 01:04:05 pm
I met Tom Cotton once or twice. He's "meaner than a snake and smarter than you are".


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: LLR on May 31, 2016, 03:24:05 pm
I met Tom Cotton once or twice. He's "meaner than a snake and smarter than you are".

So Ted Cruz but whiter?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Kingpoleon on May 31, 2016, 04:21:25 pm
I met Tom Cotton once or twice. He's "meaner than a snake and smarter than you are".

So Ted Cruz but whiter?

Cotton is a neoconservative who supports/supported raising the minimum wage. A strange mixture of Huckabee, Cruz, and McCain.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 01, 2016, 01:47:16 pm
Cruz will be attending the Faith & Freedom conference. (https://twitter.com/PatrickSvitek/status/738079118558822400)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Maxwell on June 01, 2016, 04:57:25 pm
I know Arkansas cleared the way for Cotton to run for POTUS and re-election to the Senate, but can Sasse do the same in Nebraska?

I think supreme FF Ernie Chambers will do his best to prevent that.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on June 01, 2016, 06:48:41 pm
Cruz will be attending the Faith & Freedom conference. (https://twitter.com/PatrickSvitek/status/738079118558822400)

Numerous 2016 presidential candidates who could conceivably run again will be there (including the current nominee, Donald Trump):

http://www.roadtomajority.com

Carson
Cruz
Fiorina
Rubio

Huckabee, Kasich, and Paul are invited, but looks like not confirmed to attend at this point.

Meanwhile Blackburn and Ernst are confirmed to attend, potentially to audition for vice president.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 05, 2016, 10:14:35 am
Cruz keeping in touch with donors, Sasse has national staff onboard already, Walker fundraising for RGA that he's expected to chair in 2018. Cotton travelling to CA, staffing up and will attend Roast and Ride in August, Rubio keeping in touch with donors. (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/2020-contenders-donald-trump-223904)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on June 06, 2016, 06:29:06 am
Cruz keeping in touch with donors, Sasse has national staff onboard already, Walker fundraising for RGA that he's expected to chair in 2018. Cotton travelling to CA, staffing up and will attend Roast and Ride in August, Rubio keeping in touch with donors. (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/2020-contenders-donald-trump-223904)

From that story, it sounds like Cotton is being the most open about his 2020 ambitions:

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Like Cruz, Cotton has been forward in his aspirations. Since he was elected to the Senate in 2014, he’s traveled to Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina. His aides are building out an aggressive travel schedule in the weeks to come. Next week, Cotton will venture to Southern California to appear before an Orange County GOP gathering. And in August, according to a Cotton spokeswoman, he will be a guest at a motorcycle-and-barbecue-themed political event hosted by Iowa Sen. Joni Ernst. At the Republican National Convention in July, he’s expected to address a number of state delegations.

Cotton is also expanding his political team. One recent hire, according to a source familiar with Cotton’s staff moves: Dorinda Moss, a former National Republican Senatorial Committee finance director who was a top fundraiser on Rubio’s 2016 campaign. (Neither Moss nor a Cotton spokesperson would comment.)

He recently launched a new political action committee, the Republican Majority Fund, which will allow him to raise money for down-ballot candidates.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on June 07, 2016, 06:04:09 am
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/senate-sasse-ben-223886

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[Sasse] is also increasingly a no-show at Republican Party lunches, even as he keeps up his social media presence. The prevailing view among Senate Republicans is that Sasse is preparing to run for president, and sooner rather than later.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Free Bird on June 07, 2016, 02:19:02 pm
Seems they dont have much faith in Donald


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Celes on June 07, 2016, 03:08:03 pm
I just received an email from the O'Malley campaign thanking me for my financial support and it closed with a statement that we should "never stop fighting". It was signed "see you soon".

As if it wasn't completely obvious he was going to try again at some point.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Kingpoleon on June 07, 2016, 11:35:55 pm
I just received an email from the O'Malley campaign thanking me for my financial support and it closed with a statement that we should "never stop fighting". It was signed "see you soon".

As if it wasn't completely obvious he was going to try again at some point.
Since you are a Marylander, do you think that means a statewide bid in 2018 or what? Dutch Ruppersburger will be 73 in 2019, too, and I think that's the district O'Malley lives in.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 08, 2016, 01:54:44 pm
Cotton, Ryan and Sasse are attending Romney's E2 event, Sasse and Ryan will speak.  (http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/08/politics/mitt-romney-donald-trump-summit/index.html)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Celes on June 08, 2016, 03:09:52 pm
I just received an email from the O'Malley campaign thanking me for my financial support and it closed with a statement that we should "never stop fighting". It was signed "see you soon".

As if it wasn't completely obvious he was going to try again at some point.
Since you are a Marylander, do you think that means a statewide bid in 2018 or what? Dutch Ruppersburger will be 73 in 2019, too, and I think that's the district O'Malley lives in.

I'm not sure if District 2 is where O'Malley lives, but that actually is where I live. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Ruppersburger retires, and he had some statewide aspirations a while back that he never really capitalized on. It was speculated for a while he'd run for governor in 2014. I can't really see O'Malley making a play for representative, maybe Senate in the unlikely event an opportunity opens up, but he's too proud to take representative after the Governorship. I'll call 2017-2019 Ruppersburger's last term (there's little chance McDonough has any shot) almost definitely but I can't say for sure what he'll do after, and I don't think there's much O'Malley could do except the Senate or the presidency.

District 2 is one of the most gerrymandered in the state, by the way, it's largely rural and suburban republican AND urban low-income/suburban high-income democrat. It's generally either very conservative or very liberal, little in between.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 09, 2016, 08:21:36 pm
Walker will also be at Romney's E2. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/at-romney-summit-anti-trump-republicans-in-exile-ponder-their-partys-future/2016/06/09/8c4aed3e-2e50-11e6-9b37-42985f6a265c_story.html)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on June 10, 2016, 07:49:15 pm
Cruz will be attending the Faith & Freedom conference. (https://twitter.com/PatrickSvitek/status/738079118558822400)

Numerous 2016 presidential candidates who could conceivably run again will be there (including the current nominee, Donald Trump):

http://www.roadtomajority.com

Carson
Cruz
Fiorina
Rubio

Huckabee, Kasich, and Paul are invited, but looks like not confirmed to attend at this point.

Meanwhile Blackburn and Ernst are confirmed to attend, potentially to audition for vice president.


Update: I guess this is happening now.  The potential 2020ers who actually ended up showing up to speak are:

http://www.roadtomajority.com/RTM_Agenda_1.pdf

Paul
Rubio
Carson (hey, he ran before, maybe he’ll do it again)
Fiorina (same)

Huckabee was a no show.  And Cruz, despite being advertised as a speaker in the tweet RogueBeaver linked to, doesn’t actually show up on the program.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on June 14, 2016, 08:21:22 am
More talk from a friend of Rubio that Rubio plans to run for president in 2020:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/what-will-marco-rubio-do-224274

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"Running for Senate in the age of Trump just sucks. And he knows that," a Rubio ally said. "He's already exasperated having to answer for Trump's craziness. Now, every day will be like, 'Donald Trump called Elizabeth Warren Pocahantas, do you agree?' That's not the kind of campaign he wants to run. But I'd be lying if I said I knew what he'll do."

The ally said Rubio is far more focused on a future White House bid. The first-term senator had planned to spend more time with his wife and four kids, get a high-paying job in the private sector and run “as the Washington outsider that he really is,” this person said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 15, 2016, 11:56:23 am
Sasse is writing a book. (https://twitter.com/michael_hendrix/status/743118867505909760)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Ted Bessell on June 16, 2016, 08:02:22 am
Wikipedia now mentions a LOT more people: Kaine, Cuomo, Patrick, and Warren for Democrats, and Christie, Cotton, Cruz, Haley, Kasich, Paul, Pence, Rauner, Rubio, Sasse, and Walker for the Republicans (plus both potential incumbent Presidents).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2020


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on June 16, 2016, 08:12:52 am
Wikipedia now mentions a LOT more people: Kaine, Cuomo, Patrick, and Warren for Democrats, and Christie, Cotton, Cruz, Haley, Kasich, Paul, Pence, Rauner, Rubio, Sasse, and Walker for the Republicans (plus both potential incumbent Presidents).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2020

Yeah, but as I said earlier in the thread, Wikipedia mixes together people who've made solid hints that they're interested in running and people who haven't done anything to indicate an interest in running, yet are being speculated about on blogs.  For example, they list Kaine, but it's based on nothing.  They link to a National Review story that talks about how Kaine wants to be Clinton's running mate, which then speculates that if Clinton loses the general election, her running mate would be in a good position for 2020.

The purpose of this thread is more to talk about actual hints from the candidates themselves (and those around them) that they're interested in running.  So far, we have real hints of interest from folks like Cruz, Rubio, Walker, Cotton, Sasse, etc.  On the Democratic side, it's pretty quiet.  I guess at this point, none of the Dems are ready to even contemplate the possibility that Clinton might lose.  (Or they are contemplating it, but don't want to be caught talking about it.)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Ted Bessell on June 16, 2016, 08:36:25 am
Ah, okay :P


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Suck my caulk on June 18, 2016, 01:10:20 am
If Trump wins in November, and decides that the actual workload of governing as President is too much for him, he may rest on his laurels and retire (he will be 74 in 2020, after all) and work to get his VP (likely Christie, Sessions, Corker, Fallin, or Huntsman) elected.

Wikipedia mentions Justin Amash, Chris Christie, Tom Cotton, Ted Cruz, and Marco Rubio as potential Republican candidates, as well as Cory Booker and Andrew Cuomo on the Democratic side. There is also, of course, Kanye West, although I doubt he'll actually go through with it.
2016 has been a populist primary season for the Democrats. Cory Booker and Andrew Cuomo represent a wing of the Party (the corporate, "moderate," DLC Third Way Democrats) that are dying. They may run, but their chances of winning, at least in a general election. Hillary Clinton, if she wins in November will be the last of the Third Way Democrats to hold the Oval Office. I think populists like Elizabeth Warren, Sherrod Brown, Al Franken, and Alan Grayson are more likely to run and succeed. I am clueless about the Republican side, but whichever Party Kanye West decides to run in, I actually think he has a good chance, assuming the momentum that exists with Sanders (an insider who plays the role of outsider), Trump, and Carson (both complete outsiders) holds up. West is the next reality show star to get famous by using free media publicity and outrageous statements. Underestimate West now, but if he follows the Trump model, he may be a real contender.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on June 18, 2016, 03:32:00 am
Ted Cruz attended a “secret dinner” earlier this week to plot his comeback:

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/283655-top-conservatives-meet-at-secret-dinner-to-discuss-cruzs

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Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) attended a confidential dinner with more than 20 top conservatives on Tuesday night to plan his comeback as a movement leader in the mold of Ronald Reagan.
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Private conversations with sources at the dinner kept turning up the same analogy: Reagan came back to win the presidency in 1980. And Cruz, they think, can do the same in 2020.

Cruz’s office declined to comment on the dinner and none of the five sources The Hill spoke to who attended would speak on the record about the conversation.

Meanwhile, here’s Paul Ryan on whether he has presidential ambitions:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/paul-ryan-donald-trump-blank-check-endorsement_us_5762fc28e4b0df4d586f9973

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"I've passed on it 2012, I passed on it in 2016. If I was that ambitious, I would have run by now," he said. "I have presidential-sized policy ambitions, but I've really yet to have presidential-sized personal ambitions."

And if that answer didn’t sound enough like a politician’s, when pressed, Ryan admits that his decision on the presidency could change in time.

"Maybe it's because the stage and phase in life I am," he said. "I think that's really probably it. The reason I have not been as personally ambitious as my policy ambition is, I think is just because the phase of life I'm in, given the stage and age of my family."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Free Bird on June 18, 2016, 05:19:21 am
Sasse is writing a book. (https://twitter.com/michael_hendrix/status/743118867505909760)

Welp. It's on.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Justice Blair on June 18, 2016, 01:33:58 pm
Why do republicans keep thinking that if they lose, and run again they'll somehow morph into Reagan?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 25, 2016, 08:09:06 pm
He obviously can't sing a different tune at this point, but Rubio disclaimed interest here. (http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/284913-rubio-i-didnt-run-for-the-senate-to-run-for-president-again)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: UWS on June 26, 2016, 05:24:18 am
I think he only said that to keep votes and not be portrayed as opportunistic.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 26, 2016, 07:04:59 am
Cotton will be speaking at the Aspen Ideas Festival and Western Conservative Conference. (http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2016/jun/26/cotton-will-head-out-out-to-ideas-festi/?f=news-arkansas)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Big Daddy Gonna Take Care Of Us on June 26, 2016, 07:42:36 am
So apparently Joe Walsh is running in 2020. Heh. I figured he'd run for Senate in 2020 and come in third place in the GOP primary like most one termers do when they want a comeback.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on June 26, 2016, 07:43:42 am
So apparently Joe Walsh is running in 2020.

Yeah, he "announced" back in 2015 that he'll run for prez in 2020 if a Democrat wins this time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq_0YR4Yuzk


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Free Bird on June 26, 2016, 08:37:37 pm
So apparently Joe Walsh is running in 2020.

Yeah, he "announced" back in 2015 that he'll run for prez in 2020 if a Democrat wins this time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq_0YR4Yuzk


Okay then.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: The Unbearable Inevitability of Matt Bevin on June 29, 2016, 12:39:07 am
He obviously can't sing a different tune at this point, but Rubio disclaimed interest here. (http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/284913-rubio-i-didnt-run-for-the-senate-to-run-for-president-again)

He will run regardless of whether or not he's re-elected.

Make the right choice, Florida. You deserve better than an absentee fake Senator.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on July 06, 2016, 11:23:42 am
Cruz reorganizing his Senate office. (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/437520/ted-cruz-political-machine-prepares-2020-campaign)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on July 11, 2016, 12:09:44 am
Kasich 2020?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/kasich-lost-gop-nomination-but-now-hes-finding-a-moment/2016/07/10/b2372d94-454f-11e6-8856-f26de2537a9d_story.html

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Led by political consultant John Weaver, Kasich’s advisers are very aware that he is having a moment in the spotlight, and they are not wasting a minute. Soon, he’ll head to New York to pitch to publishers a book proposal about the 2016 campaign and his message of “Two Paths,” contrasting Trump’s doomsday talk with his positive approach. The plan is to roll out the book in town halls across the country. His political 501(c)(4) is also being retooled to allow him to campaign for Republicans other than Trump and to promote the issues and values that are important to him.

“I’m not shutting my political operation down,” the governor and former congressman says. “I’m not closing any doors. But my focus right now is going to be on the House, the Senate, and the down-ticket here in my state.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on July 12, 2016, 09:28:46 am
Cotton will address the OH delegation. (http://www.vindy.com/news/2016/jul/12/schedule-calls-for-paul-ryan-to-address-/) And IA. (https://twitter.com/AdamWollner/status/753328257219629056)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Pericles on July 13, 2016, 02:35:50 pm
My prediction:
2020 Democratic candidates
President Hillary Clinton
Rapper Kanye West(?!)

2020 Republican candidates
Texas Senator Ted Cruz
Florida Senator Marco Rubio
Arkansas Senator Tom Cotton
Nebraska Senator Ben Sasse
Colorado Senator Cory Gardner
Former Ohio Governor John Kasich
Kentucky Senator Rand Paul
Iowa Senator Joni Ernst
Former Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on July 14, 2016, 06:06:53 am
Walker and Cotton will address the IA/NH/SC delegations. (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/scott-walker-tom-cotton-rnc-iowa-new-hampshire-south-carolina-225518)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on July 14, 2016, 06:42:30 am
Walker and Cotton will address the IA/NH/SC delegations. (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/scott-walker-tom-cotton-rnc-iowa-new-hampshire-south-carolina-225518)

If that isn't a flashing neon sign indicating future presidential ambitions, I don't know what is.

Note that it's not just them, though.  The story indicates that Ernst and Kasich will both meet with the New Hampshire delegation.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on July 14, 2016, 06:52:36 am
I'll be interested to see if any potential future Democratic presidential candidates meet with the IA/NH/SC delegations at the DNC.  Or would that be seen as an insult to Clinton, to already be making contingency plans for 2020 in case she loses this time?  (Since so many Republican elites don't like Trump, I guess people don't worry about that so much on the Republican side.)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on July 14, 2016, 05:04:39 pm
Cotton attending Laxalt's Basque Fry in August. (https://twitter.com/AdamLaxalt/status/753711528537231360)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Horsemask on July 14, 2016, 10:12:50 pm
Think it might be safe to include Mike Pence in possible candidates in light of today's news -- that is, if he is indeed Trump's VP choice and Trump isn't elected this year.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: syntaxerror on July 18, 2016, 07:43:37 am
My prediction:
2020 Republican candidates
Texas Senator Ted Cruz
Florida Senator Marco Rubio
Arkansas Senator Tom Cotton
Nebraska Senator Ben Sasse
Colorado Senator Cory Gardner
Former Ohio Governor John Kasich
Kentucky Senator Rand Paul
Iowa Senator Joni Ernst
Former Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker


All + Paul Ryan and Nikki Haley.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on July 18, 2016, 09:05:24 am
Walker says he won't run, will be running for reelection and won't run for POTUS while guv. (https://twitter.com/TimAlberta/status/755040134224048128)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on July 18, 2016, 09:14:11 am
Walker says he won't run, will be running for reelection and won't run for POTUS while guv. (https://twitter.com/TimAlberta/status/755040134224048128)

Interesting.  I guess that clears the way for Paul Ryan to get all the cheesehead donors.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on July 18, 2016, 09:19:14 am
I don't know why everyone assumes Ryan's running, considering that after 4 years of Hillary he's not gonna be in the best political shape. Plus he turned down 2 Senate runs & a POTUS run already.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on July 18, 2016, 09:36:15 am
I don't know why everyone assumes Ryan's running, considering that after 4 years of Hillary he's not gonna be in the best political shape. Plus he turned down 2 Senate runs & a POTUS run already.

I'm not *assuming* he's running, but I'd say there's a decent chance of it happening.  The way he talked about it here:

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=233345.msg5121895#msg5121895

about the "phase of life" he was in, seemed like he very clearly wanted to indicate that a presidential run at some point in the future is something he's still thinking about.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: The Unbearable Inevitability of Matt Bevin on July 18, 2016, 03:10:38 pm
I don't know why everyone assumes Ryan's running, considering that after 4 years of Hillary he's not gonna be in the best political shape. Plus he turned down 2 Senate runs & a POTUS run already.

Speakers only get more and more unpopular as time goes on. 2020 may be his only shot.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on July 19, 2016, 05:20:24 am
Of course, one has to ask...if Walker is seriously ruling out another run for prez in 2020, then why on Earth is he bothering to meet with the Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina delegations in Cleveland this week?  Meeting with all three sounds like a solid signal of continued presidential ambition, no?

Or maybe he's already planning his presidential campaign for 2024?  :P


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on July 19, 2016, 07:14:45 pm
Cruz, Kasich, and Rubio have so fan not shared their voter profile databases from their '16 campaigns with the RNC, even though they are supposed to do so, according to data sharing agreements with the RNC:

http://www.bendbulletin.com/nation/4511817-151/delays-in-transferring-data-to-trump

Speculation is 1) they don't want to help Trump, and 2) all three of them might run again in 2020, and would like to keep exclusive access to this info.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Kingpoleon on July 19, 2016, 07:17:22 pm
I don't know why everyone assumes Ryan's running, considering that after 4 years of Hillary he's not gonna be in the best political shape. Plus he turned down 2 Senate runs & a POTUS run already.
I think the only way he will run is if he retires in 2018. Otherwise, he most assuredly either thinks he can become Speaker for, say, ten years(2015-2025), retire, and either then run for President in 2024 or 2028.

Why will he have to retire as Speaker two to eight years before running:
Speakers only get more and more unpopular as time goes on. 2020 may be his only shot.



In other news, www.Kasich2020.com is a thing. #BuckleUp


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on July 20, 2016, 02:06:22 am
More on Kasich 2020:

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/07/19/kasich-for-president-in-2020.html

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So let’s cut to the chase: Is he already running for president in 2020?

Tonight provided a surreal moment as Kasich talked to the U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce while a pair of muted big-screen TV's showed Ohio casting its votes for him and then New York putting Trump over the top.

Kasich said he plans to "run through the tape really fast" as governor. "What happens after that, I don't know."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Likely Voter on July 20, 2016, 02:33:45 pm
More on JK, from Larry Sabato (http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/not-so-hot-in-cleveland/)
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Obviously, Kasich has no use for Trump, and the feeling is mutual. Trump strategist Paul Manafort got in something of a war of words with Kasich earlier in the week, and the Trump forces have tweaked the home state delegation in other ways, as anti-Trump Republican state Auditor Dave Yost recounted in fairly blunt detail for Cleveland.com.

Historically, Republicans can’t win the presidency without Ohio, and Trump doesn’t have a practical path without it either. Looming in the background is all sorts of buzz amongst the people who know the state best that Kasich still hopes to run again in 2020 after he is termed out of office in 2018.

Not sure if he is talking about media buzz or inside info, but Kasich 2020 is becoming CW. I wonder what would happen if the race came down to OH and Trump lost OH, would Kasich be blamed? Would it look too opportunistic?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on July 21, 2016, 06:45:59 am
NRO on Cruz: he isn't changing anything. (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438144/interview-ted-cruz-2016-strategy-2020-plans)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on July 22, 2016, 02:31:49 am
LA Times on the 2020 politicking in Cleveland this week:

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-republicans-2020-hopefuls-20160722-snap-story.html

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John Kasich, the popular Ohio governor, waged what at times resembled a shadow convention  with a packed schedule of daily events — none of which were held near the Quicken Loans Arena stage where the official convention took place.

Kasich greeted New Hampshire delegates, was feted at a party at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and spoke about policy at events with the International Republican Institute and the U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce.

Romney’s 2012 running mate, House Speaker Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin, had little choice but to share the spotlight with Trump, announcing the roll call vote that handed the businessman the nomination. But Ryan also found time for several other events that showcased his claim to be the candidate of new ideas.  

Veteran campaign-trail warriors Rick Santorum, Mike Huckabee and Newt Gingrich made the rounds — Gingrich on a boat tour with supporters.

“If you’re looking for the perfect candidate, go home, read your Bible and practice your faith and wait for the second coming,” Santorum told Iowans. “Because it isn’t going to happen until then.”

Other up-and-comers, including South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley, Iowa Sen. Joni Ernst  and Arkansas Sen. Tom Cotton, let it be known they were in town. Cotton kept up one of the busiest schedules of breakfasts, including a  60-mile trek to Sandusky to meet with the California delegation, which otherwise got few prominent visitors.

Asked directly if he was considering running, Cotton laughed: “No. Right now I’m thinking about making sure Republicans win across the country.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on July 24, 2016, 02:02:54 am
While most of the 2020 action has been on the Republican side, with the DNC coming up, there are a few rumblings of Democratic action as well….either for 2020 if Trump wins in November, or else 2024 if Clinton does…

Klobuchar will speak to the South Carolina delegation at the DNC, while Joaquin Castro will speak to both the Iowa and South Carolina delegations:

http://www.postandcourier.com/20160723/160729724/south-carolinians-set-for-center-stage-at-democratic-national-convention
http://www.press-citizen.com/story/news/local/2016/07/22/iowa-city-area-delegates-head-east-democratic-convention/87443034/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on July 26, 2016, 02:52:49 pm
Rubio, Walker, Ernst will speak at a September AFP summit in Orlando. (http://politickernj.com/2016/07/rubio-to-join-walker-fiorina-conservative-leaders-at-defending-the-american-dream-summit-in-orlando-fl/)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on July 27, 2016, 12:01:56 am
A coda to the 2020 talk at last week's RNC: Kasich said "I'll be back" when he talked to the NH delegation:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/07/john-kasich-tells-new-hampshire-ill-be-back/492314/

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“For the people in New Hampshire,” Kasich concluded, “I’ll be back.”

This wasn’t a man declaring his second presidential candidacy four years out, but neither was it an innocuous throwaway line, offered up as a matter of politeness. No politician goes to New Hampshire by accident, and no one forced Kasich to speak to the state’s Republican delegation at a convention he pointedly refused to participate in. Even when he found out that delegates from Rhode Island made up half the crowd, Kasich said he wanted “to talk to New Hampshire.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on July 27, 2016, 12:04:21 am
While most of the 2020 action has been on the Republican side, with the DNC coming up, there are a few rumblings of Democratic action as well….either for 2020 if Trump wins in November, or else 2024 if Clinton does…

Klobuchar will speak to the South Carolina delegation at the DNC, while Joaquin Castro will speak to both the Iowa and South Carolina delegations:

http://www.postandcourier.com/20160723/160729724/south-carolinians-set-for-center-stage-at-democratic-national-convention
http://www.press-citizen.com/story/news/local/2016/07/22/iowa-city-area-delegates-head-east-democratic-convention/87443034/

Looks like Klobuchar also talked to the Iowa delegation (as did O'Malley and Sanders):

http://qctimes.com/bacon-too-expensive-for-iowa-delegation/article_6b17e574-f44b-5689-ba39-493250710b5a.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on July 27, 2016, 06:54:29 pm
Two more potential future presidential candidates talked to the Iowa delegation: Cory Booker and Julian Castro:

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2016/07/27/booker-castro-test-out-applause-lines-iowa-dnc-delegation/87613130/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: This account no longer in use. on July 27, 2016, 07:07:05 pm
I wonder what would happen if both Castro brothers ran in 2020 and/or 2024.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: LLR on July 27, 2016, 07:30:38 pm
Funnily enough, I think Joaquin would be a better candidate. Maybe Julian runs in 2024 to pave the way for Joaquin in 2028?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Kingpoleon on July 27, 2016, 08:41:08 pm
Funnily enough, I think Joaquin would be a better candidate. Maybe Julian runs in 2024 to pave the way for Joaquin in 2028?
Joaquin would be more likely to win any Senate races. He has four years under his belt in Congress already and twelve years in the State House before that.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on July 30, 2016, 07:44:38 pm
Justin Amash hinted both at a "Young Americans for Liberty" event and on Twitter that he's up for a 2020 presidential run:

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/amash-hints-2020-presidential-run/

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"I have the Twitter handle. That'll be up to you guys" -@justinamash when asked if he'll run for POTUS in 2020 #YALcon #BeTheNext #Amash2020


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on July 31, 2016, 12:52:57 am
Rand Paul was asked about whether he'd run for president again in 2020, and "gave no specific response", saying only that he's focused on his reelection:

http://www.wave3.com/story/32558846/senator-rand-paul-believes-trump-has-taken-a-huge-step-forward


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 01, 2016, 06:15:21 am
Cruz is facing yuge donor blowback for his convention speech. (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438549/ted-cruz-convention-speech-donald-trump-non-endorsement-spark-blowback)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: OwlRhetoric on August 02, 2016, 12:10:41 am
I think Rand is out. His campaign bombed and the Ron Paul liberty movement is largely in disarray, splintered between purists, people supporting Johnson, or going to Trump.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 09, 2016, 11:48:55 am
Cotton is attending a Heck fundraiser next week. He's also speaking at Laxalt's Basque Fry event. (https://twitter.com/RileySnyder/status/762795136061505536)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: LLR on August 09, 2016, 11:57:55 am
Cotton is attending a Heck fundraiser next week. He's also speaking at Laxalt's Basque Fry event. (https://twitter.com/RileySnyder/status/762795136061505536)

Paul Laxalt will likely not be alive in 2020. No use courting his endorsement :P



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 09, 2016, 12:39:43 pm
Cotton is attending a Heck fundraiser next week. He's also speaking at Laxalt's Basque Fry event. (https://twitter.com/RileySnyder/status/762795136061505536)

Paul Laxalt will likely not be alive in 2020. No use courting his endorsement :P



Did I need to specify Adam, not Paul? :P


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Kingpoleon on August 09, 2016, 12:42:33 pm
Cotton is attending a Heck fundraiser next week. He's also speaking at Laxalt's Basque Fry event. (https://twitter.com/RileySnyder/status/762795136061505536)

Paul Laxalt will likely not be alive in 2020. No use courting his endorsement :P

I wasn't even invited to his Basque Fry event/funeral!

I mean, I probably wouldn't eat him, but still.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 10, 2016, 11:02:59 am
Former MLB pitcher Curt Schilling says he plans to run for president (presumably as a Republican) in 2020 or 2024:

http://www.upi.com/Sports_News/2016/08/09/Curt-Schilling-eyes-2020-presidential-bid/1961470747032/

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Schilling said during a Facebook exchange that he was planning to run for political office in the near future. On wrote, "I am going to run soon" and when asked for more details by a commenter, Schilling said "state office first, white house in eight years" followed by "or four if some amazing illegal event this country elects another Clinton."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Big Daddy Gonna Take Care Of Us on August 10, 2016, 11:06:29 am
I think Rand is out. His campaign bombed and the Ron Paul liberty movement is largely in disarray, splintered between purists, people supporting Johnson, or going to Trump.
Yeah, Amash is our best hope in my opinion. He's more popular with the base while maintaining an ability to appeal to a broader base without alienating his core like Rand did.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 10, 2016, 11:09:54 am
John Weaver, on whether Kasich will run again in 2020:

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/08/yes-john-kasich-is-still-running-for-president.html

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"I suspect he doesn't know yet," Weaver told CNBC.com, when asked about Kasich's presidential plans. "The day we got off the plane after he pulled out [out of the race], it was a 1 or 2 percent chance he would ever do it again. But I would say the chance has gone up, because of how outrageous Trump is."

Kasich's road to the White House, aides say, is predicated on how Republican primary voters would respond to a shellacking this fall, and whether they would actively seek to broaden the party's tent next cycle. It could also come down to the precise specifics of how 2016 unfolds, particularly in Kasich's home state, a key presidential battleground.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: LLR on August 10, 2016, 12:23:43 pm
Former MLB pitcher Curt Schilling says he plans to run for president (presumably as a Republican) in 2020 or 2024:

http://www.upi.com/Sports_News/2016/08/09/Curt-Schilling-eyes-2020-presidential-bid/1961470747032/

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Schilling said during a Facebook exchange that he was planning to run for political office in the near future. On wrote, "I am going to run soon" and when asked for more details by a commenter, Schilling said "state office first, white house in eight years" followed by "or four if some amazing illegal event this country elects another Clinton."


Well, he's a racist bigot, so it makes sense.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 11, 2016, 01:44:16 pm
The NYT has a story on how Pence is positioning himself to be a "post-Trump" GOP leader:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/12/us/politics/mike-pence-donald-trump.html?_r=0

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But behind the scenes, Mr. Pence and his team of loyalists are waging an equally challenging campaign, hoping to position him as a compelling national politician for a post-2016 landscape. Even if the Republican ticket fails in the battle for the White House, Mr. Pence wants to preserve his future viability, a goal that has created a delicate dance for him — leaving him wary of offending Mr. Trump and his base, while also eager to ingratiate himself with the Republican establishment.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 16, 2016, 03:01:26 pm
Former MLB pitcher Curt Schilling says he plans to run for president (presumably as a Republican) in 2020 or 2024:

http://www.upi.com/Sports_News/2016/08/09/Curt-Schilling-eyes-2020-presidential-bid/1961470747032/

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Schilling said during a Facebook exchange that he was planning to run for political office in the near future. On wrote, "I am going to run soon" and when asked for more details by a commenter, Schilling said "state office first, white house in eight years" followed by "or four if some amazing illegal event this country elects another Clinton."


Here's more on Schilling's political ambitions:

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2016/08/16/curt-schilling-says-considering-running-against-senator-elizabeth-warren/a4i6Z8QLWxy8TcBlaAnN8M/story.html

Looks like he might run for Warren's Senate seat in 2018.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 18, 2016, 03:04:34 pm
Dispatch from the annual RedState Gathering a few days ago:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/438980/five-observations-redstate-gathering

Sasse "stole the show", Fiorina also received well, Cory Gardner "had an uneven performance".

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In a sharp and confidently delivered speech, Sasse outlined his philosophical support for the government’s role in dealing with “small-ball policy issues” (biannual budgeting), and “epic policy issues” (cyber-warfare, entitlement reform), while entrusting the “foundational issues” (preserving and promoting “the American idea”) to families and communities.

Sasse, who cuts a unique profile as both an aw-shucks Midwesterner and an Ivy League-educated former college president, successfully came across as both intellectual and relatable. At one point, he touched on “Constitutional literalism” after sharing stories of his teenage daughter’s “icky” summer job at a Nebraska ranch. Striking this balance with the Republican base has proven exceedingly difficult for many talented politicians. But Sasse, in introducing himself to an influential constituency, pulled it off.

“@BenSasse just gave one of the most important speeches I’ve ever heard,” tweeted conservative commentator Guy Benson. “Let’s get this guy in front of a crowd.” (The only negative: Sasse’s presentation went 55 minutes, including Q&A time, inviting jokes about how senators love the sound of their own voice.)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 19, 2016, 04:19:16 pm
This story’s a few weeks old, but it’s about Cuomo and Gillibrand politicking at the DNC in Philly a few weeks ago.  Unlike Booker, Castro, Klobuchar, and O’Malley, neither of them talked to the Iowa or New Hampshire delegations while they were there:

http://politicsnow.buffalonews.com/2016/07/28/cuomo-gillibrand-look-like-presidential-candidates-in-philly-sort-of/

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And Cuomo has avoided key delegation meetings in early primary and caucus states like Iowa and New Hampshire. Indeed, he told New York reporters on Tuesday that he has no interest in Washington.

"I want to run for governor," he said, strongly hinting at a third term in Albany in 2018.
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Still, the governor has raised his national profile significantly in Philadelphia this week at a time when his image back home has been buffeted by investigations of his administration’s involvement in various upstate development projects. His activities here contrast sharply with his quick visit to the 2012 Democratic National Convention in Charlotte. During that conclave he flew in, spoke to the state delegation, made a brief appearance on the convention floor and flew home.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 22, 2016, 11:42:00 am
Kasich meeting NH supporters. (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/john-kasich-new-hampshire-227274)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Governor Dip on August 22, 2016, 01:19:00 pm
I think Rand is out. His campaign bombed and the Ron Paul liberty movement is largely in disarray, splintered between purists, people supporting Johnson, or going to Trump.
Yeah, Amash is our best hope in my opinion. He's more popular with the base while maintaining an ability to appeal to a broader base without alienating his core like Rand did.

Couldn't Cruz do that too?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 22, 2016, 01:34:45 pm
Kasich meeting NH supporters. (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/john-kasich-new-hampshire-227274)

If you asked me a year ago, I would have rated Kasich low on the list of 2016 GOP presidential candidates most likely to run again in 2020.  I didn't think that Kasich was desperate for the job in the same way that, say, Marco Rubio was.  As with Jeb Bush, I wondered if it was just that the people around him talked him into it.  (And of course, unlike Cruz and Rubio, Kasich's starting to get up there in age, as he'll be in his late 60s in 2020.)

But now I guess Kasich really does want to be president, as he's signalling an interest in another run more strongly than anyone else from the 2016 field other than Cruz (and Rubio, sort of...though that's in hibernation while Rubio runs for reelection).  Will be interesting to see where this goes.  With (presumably) no Bush running in 2020, will there be a sizeable contingent of donors rallying around Kasich as the "electable" option for 2020?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 25, 2016, 08:29:43 am
WaPo: Rubio is still running for the presidency:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/marco-rubio-is-running-for-the-senate--or-maybe-still-the-presidency/2016/08/22/48278658-6663-11e6-be4e-23fc4d4d12b4_story.html

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Many others have concluded that there is an additional consideration: Rubio never stopped running for president and has his sights set on carrying his ideas into 2020 or beyond. Either way, a whole lot is at stake for the 45-year-old senator.

A win would serve notice to the GOP that he holds a formula for success in a battleground state, thrusting him back into the center of the fight to shape the future of the party. A loss would be the second in his home state in less than a year — and would devastate if not end his political career.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Arbitrage1980 on August 26, 2016, 11:32:19 pm
Kasich meeting NH supporters. (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/john-kasich-new-hampshire-227274)

If you asked me a year ago, I would have rated Kasich low on the list of 2016 GOP presidential candidates most likely to run again in 2020.  I didn't think that Kasich was desperate for the job in the same way that, say, Marco Rubio was.  As with Jeb Bush, I wondered if it was just that the people around him talked him into it.  (And of course, unlike Cruz and Rubio, Kasich's starting to get up there in age, as he'll be in his late 60s in 2020.)

But now I guess Kasich really does want to be president, as he's signalling an interest in another run more strongly than anyone else from the 2016 field other than Cruz (and Rubio, sort of...though that's in hibernation while Rubio runs for reelection).  Will be interesting to see where this goes.  With (presumably) no Bush running in 2020, will there be a sizeable contingent of donors rallying around Kasich as the "electable" option for 2020?


He's gonna run again, but he's a bad fit for today's GOP.  Even if Trump had not run, Kasich would not have been the nominee; it would have been either Rubio or Cruz.  He's not considered conservative enough, and his policies on medicaid expansion, common core, and illegal immigration really upset the base.  Having said that, if Trump loses in an epic landslide, it is possible that the GOP learns its lesson and turns to someone like Kasich (similar to the Democrats' mea culpa after getting their butt kicked by Nixon, Reagan, and HW Bush, and turned to a moderate southern democrat who wanted to move the party to the center). 


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 27, 2016, 11:16:52 am
Having said that, if Trump loses in an epic landslide, it is possible that the GOP learns its lesson and turns to someone like Kasich (similar to the Democrats' mea culpa after getting their butt kicked by Nixon, Reagan, and HW Bush, and turned to a moderate southern democrat who wanted to move the party to the center). 

I'm honestly not sure that it's possible for parties to "learn their lesson" on who to nominate in the primary era.  The prototypical example people talk about is the Dems nominating Bill Clinton in '92, which was a move to the center after folks like Mondale and Dukakis.  But I think that was more just an accident of the primary calendar and who Clinton's competition was, plus credit to Clinton's own exceptional political skills.  If a heavyweight like Cuomo had run, then there's a good chance that Clinton would have lost.  Likewise, if Jesse Jackson had run again, then, like in '84 and '88, he would have sucked up black votes in the South, and diluted the strong Southern vote for Clinton.

I think "learning your lesson" can help the discontents make peace with the nominee once he's been nominated.  If the Republicans nominated Kasich in 2020, then the right flank of the party might mute their criticism of him during the general election campaign, because they're desperate to win after 12 years of Democratic presidents.  But would they be any more likely to nominate him in the first place?  Probably not.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 30, 2016, 09:58:27 am
Cotton will be speaking at a Scott Co. (IA) party dinner in October. (https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/770631198053765120)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on August 30, 2016, 09:48:24 pm
I think Rand is out. His campaign bombed and the Ron Paul liberty movement is largely in disarray, splintered between purists, people supporting Johnson, or going to Trump.
Yeah, Amash is our best hope in my opinion. He's more popular with the base while maintaining an ability to appeal to a broader base without alienating his core like Rand did.

Couldn't Cruz do that too?

Cruz is just a really extreme conservative.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Big Daddy Gonna Take Care Of Us on August 30, 2016, 10:32:28 pm
I think Rand is out. His campaign bombed and the Ron Paul liberty movement is largely in disarray, splintered between purists, people supporting Johnson, or going to Trump.
Yeah, Amash is our best hope in my opinion. He's more popular with the base while maintaining an ability to appeal to a broader base without alienating his core like Rand did.

Couldn't Cruz do that too?

Cruz is just a really extreme conservative.
Cruz isn't remotely close to that IMO.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 31, 2016, 08:49:10 am
Rubio refuses to promise to serve a full six year term, should he be reelected, which once again suggests that he's eyeing another run for president in 2020, assuming Clinton wins this time:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/marco-rubio-wont-commit-6-year-term-227539


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 31, 2016, 01:25:00 pm
WaPo reports on Kasich's trip to New Hampshire earlier this week:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/kasich-back-in-new-hampshire-with-nostalgia-eye-on-future/2016/08/30/6216616c-6e81-11e6-993f-73c693a89820_story.html

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Kasich is ribbing reporters for speculating about a 2020 candidacy — but he’s hinting at interest.

“You know anything’s possible,” he told The Associated Press on Sunday. “But if I said too much my wife not might let me move back in when I get home from New Hampshire.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Medal506 on September 03, 2016, 04:53:37 pm
Here how the election will be President Hillary Clinton and Vice President Tim Kaine will face Republican presidential nominee Ted Cruz and Republican vice presidential nominee Rick Scott in the general election

(http://uselectionatlas.org/TOOLS/genusmap.php?year=2012&ev_c=1&pv_p=1&ev_p=1&type=calc&AL=2;9;7&AK=2;3;5&AZ=2;11;5&AR=2;6;6&CA=1;55;7&CO=2;9;5&CT=1;7;5&DE=1;3;5&DC=1;3;9&FL=2;29;6&GA=2;16;5&HI=1;4;7&ID=2;4;6&IL=1;20;5&IN=2;11;5&IA=2;6;6&KS=2;6;7&KY=2;8;6&LA=2;8;5&MD=1;10;6&MA=1;11;6&MI=2;16;5&MN=1;10;5&MS=2;6;5&MO=2;10;5&MT=2;3;5&NV=2;6;6&NH=2;4;6&NJ=1;14;5&NM=1;5;5&NY=1;29;6&NC=2;15;5&ND=2;3;5&OH=2;18;6&OK=2;7;6&OR=2;7;5&PA=2;20;6&RI=1;4;6&SC=2;9;5&SD=2;3;5&TN=2;11;5&TX=2;38;6&UT=2;6;8&VT=1;3;6&VA=2;13;6&WA=2;12;6&WV=2;5;6&WI=2;10;6&WY=2;3;6&ME=2;2;5&ME1=2;1;5&ME2=2;1;5&NE=2;2;5&NE1=2;1;5&NE2=2;1;5&NE3=2;1;6)

Hillary Clinton/Tim Kaine 178 electoral votes 46.3%
Ted Cruz/Rick Scott 360 electoral votes 53.4%


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: #TheShadowyAbyss on September 04, 2016, 06:36:46 pm
I honestly wouldn't be surprised at another Kasich run, his ego is too strong.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 06, 2016, 03:30:51 pm
Haven't seen this anywhere else, but Politico refers to Ryan's "expected run." (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/clinton-and-ryan-brace-for-impasse-227733)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on September 07, 2016, 01:13:44 pm
Haven't seen this anywhere else, but Politico refers to Ryan's "expected run." (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/clinton-and-ryan-brace-for-impasse-227733)

Ryan vs. Cruz - a proper factional battle. The GOP's answer to Hillary vs. Bernie?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 07, 2016, 04:24:55 pm
Shinebox to NH next week for a unity breakfast. (https://twitter.com/steinhauserNH1/status/773632483170586625)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: THE BuckeyeNut on September 07, 2016, 10:54:17 pm
I honestly wouldn't be surprised at another Kasich run, his ego is too strong.

Oh, he certainly will.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on September 09, 2016, 09:53:56 am
A look at the online "Cruz 2020" cheerleaders:

http://www.chron.com/news/politics/texas/article/On-Facebook-already-a-cheering-section-for-Ted-9210693.php


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 11, 2016, 05:22:08 pm
Cotton will speak at an INGOP dinner next month. (http://www.journalgazette.net/blog/political-notebook/Conservatives-laud-state-legislators-15127227)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on September 11, 2016, 05:28:26 pm
Pence and Santorum, among others, spoke at the Values Voters Summit this weekend:

http://www.valuesvotersummit.org


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: ExtremeConservative on September 12, 2016, 06:49:31 am
Pence and Santorum, among others, spoke at the Values Voters Summit this weekend:

http://www.valuesvotersummit.org


I know for a fact that Santorum wants to be president badly and that he was hoping to get nominated at a contested convention this year.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on September 12, 2016, 09:38:39 am
This story's a couple of weeks old, but it talks about Ernst trying to raise her national profile:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-wp-blm-campaign-ernst-1ecaa194-6d95-11e6-993f-73c693a89820-20160828-story.html

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Ernst, 46, says she has no White House ambitions, but she's acting like someone who's ready to look like a candidate once the 2016 race is over.

She's campaigned for fellow Senate Republicans Kelly Ayotte in New Hampshire, John McCain in Arizona, and Rob Portman in Ohio. She's taken the lead in raising money for them as vice chair of the National Republican Senatorial Committee. At the Republican convention in July, she received a prime-time speaking slot -- at least until earlier speakers overran their allotted time. She regularly speaks at prominent conservative events, and is signed up for the Koch network summit over Labor Day weekend.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on September 12, 2016, 11:11:04 am
Pence and Santorum, among others, spoke at the Values Voters Summit this weekend:

http://www.valuesvotersummit.org


I know for a fact that Santorum wants to be president badly and that he was hoping to get nominated at a contested convention this year.

Well yeah, that's probably why he ran twice.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 12, 2016, 07:24:38 pm
Cotton headlining a CT-SEN fundraiser. (http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Ct-Politics-GOP-s-Shaban-establishes-base-in-9218194.php#photo-10915392)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on September 12, 2016, 10:03:32 pm
Pence and Santorum, among others, spoke at the Values Voters Summit this weekend:

http://www.valuesvotersummit.org


I know for a fact that Santorum wants to be president badly and that he was hoping to get nominated at a contested convention this year.

I hope he becomes the next Harold Stassen.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 14, 2016, 08:22:02 pm
Cotton speaking at the PAGOP fall dinner next Friday. (http://www.politicspa.com/sen-tom-cotton-to-keynote-2016-gop-fall-dinner/78541/)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Fuzzy Bear on September 14, 2016, 10:08:50 pm
If Trump loses a close election, I believe that Mike Pence will be the immediate frontrunner for 2020.  I view him as the big winner of this cycle, and the logical choice for the GOP to be unified. 

I believe that all the #NeverTrump crowd are non-starters.  If Kasich and Cruz really want to try again, they had better say, at a minimum, that they're "voting for the Republican ticket" even if they don't say any more than that.  They will be sealing their fate if they don't do at least that.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on September 15, 2016, 08:40:26 am
Here’s a recap of Christie’s recent trip to NH:

http://www.app.com/story/news/politics/new-jersey/chris-christie/2016/09/14/christie-calls-gop-unite-around-trump-nh-visit/90373954/?hootPostID=29f34006268c5059c5c2707e8a7b9aae

Meanwhile, despite being famous for not getting along well with his colleagues, Cruz is raising money for fellow Senators:

https://www.texastribune.org/2016/09/14/cruz-cornyn-raise-money-vulnerable-senators/

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Cruz and Cornyn, the Senate majority whip, are headlining two fundraisers Oct. 6 in Texas — one in Dallas, the other in Houston — to help the vulnerable incumbents win re-election, according to invitations. The events will benefit Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire, Roy Blunt of Missouri, Richard Burr of North Carolina, Chuck Grassley of Iowa, Rob Portman of Ohio and Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania. 
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With less than two months until Election Day, Cruz has been increasing his activity in support of the Republican majority. Earlier this week, he agreed to give $100,000 to the National Republican Senatorial Committee, the campaign arm of GOP senators.

Cruz is expected to become more involved on the campaign trail next month, after stumping for a handful of down-ballot candidates in recent months. He has kept a relatively low profile since the Republican National Convention in July, when he caused an uproar by declining to endorse presidential nominee Donald Trump.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on September 25, 2016, 04:26:14 pm
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/jeb-bush-donors-rematch-2020-article-1.2803848

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Sources close to Jeb Bush’s failed run at the 2016 presidency say the “low-energy” candidate has been back in touch with supporters. They believe he’s popping up to “feel them out” for another run and, according to at least one big contributor, they're in!

“Bush has been quietly making telephone calls to his supporters, bundlers and donors, to talk about the state of the county and the economy, and the energy business, why would he do that?” asks one insider, who concludes “he's running in four years.”
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But according to our insiders — who told us Bush would run more than six months before he announced his candidacy in June 2015 — Jeb is poised to make one more grab for the gold ring.

“These are not volunteers, these are not robo-calls, this is Jeb personally making these calls,” we're told.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on September 28, 2016, 04:00:58 pm
Ryan once again says that he's not ruling out a future run for president.  And once again says that he hasn't run before because his kids were young....which suggests that he might still decide to run when his kids are older:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/paul-ryan-future-presidential-run-article-1.2810066

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"You never say never to these things," the Wisconsin Republican said during a speech at the Economic Club of Washington, D.C.

Ryan later added, "But I've never really had this ambition."

"I have presidential-size policy ambition," he said. "I've really never had presidential-size personal ambition. It just was never really in my DNA."

"One of the reasons I didn't do it this last time is because my kids are young and want to be normal," he added.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Southern Dep. Speaker Dwarven Dragon on September 28, 2016, 04:46:09 pm
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/jeb-bush-donors-rematch-2020-article-1.2803848

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Sources close to Jeb Bush’s failed run at the 2016 presidency say the “low-energy” candidate has been back in touch with supporters. They believe he’s popping up to “feel them out” for another run and, according to at least one big contributor, they're in!

“Bush has been quietly making telephone calls to his supporters, bundlers and donors, to talk about the state of the county and the economy, and the energy business, why would he do that?” asks one insider, who concludes “he's running in four years.”
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But according to our insiders — who told us Bush would run more than six months before he announced his candidacy in June 2015 — Jeb is poised to make one more grab for the gold ring.

“These are not volunteers, these are not robo-calls, this is Jeb personally making these calls,” we're told.


Hey Obama, can you take out your "pen and phone" and write an executive order declaring ¡Yeb! ineligible to serve in public office? I really don't want that low-energy loser as president.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: TarHeelDem on September 28, 2016, 11:11:15 pm
I hope he runs. Clinton vs. Bush 2020: The Rematch would be delicious. And Trump's endorsement (or lack thereof) would be a sensation.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Andrew on September 29, 2016, 05:54:06 pm
I think David Duke will be the Republican nominee in 2020.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: PikaTROD on September 30, 2016, 08:46:12 pm
Kanye4Prez2020! WhoooooOOooooooo!!!! XD


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Simfan34 on October 03, 2016, 09:36:54 pm
Dispatch from the annual RedState Gathering a few days ago:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/438980/five-observations-redstate-gathering

Sasse "stole the show", Fiorina also received well, Cory Gardner "had an uneven performance".

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In a sharp and confidently delivered speech, Sasse outlined his philosophical support for the government’s role in dealing with “small-ball policy issues” (biannual budgeting), and “epic policy issues” (cyber-warfare, entitlement reform), while entrusting the “foundational issues” (preserving and promoting “the American idea”) to families and communities.

Sasse, who cuts a unique profile as both an aw-shucks Midwesterner and an Ivy League-educated former college president, successfully came across as both intellectual and relatable. At one point, he touched on “Constitutional literalism” after sharing stories of his teenage daughter’s “icky” summer job at a Nebraska ranch. Striking this balance with the Republican base has proven exceedingly difficult for many talented politicians. But Sasse, in introducing himself to an influential constituency, pulled it off.

“@BenSasse just gave one of the most important speeches I’ve ever heard,” tweeted conservative commentator Guy Benson. “Let’s get this guy in front of a crowd.” (The only negative: Sasse’s presentation went 55 minutes, including Q&A time, inviting jokes about how senators love the sound of their own voice.)

Sasse would be the first President since Wilson to have a doctorate.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Kingpoleon on October 03, 2016, 09:41:39 pm
Dispatch from the annual RedState Gathering a few days ago:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/438980/five-observations-redstate-gathering

Sasse "stole the show", Fiorina also received well, Cory Gardner "had an uneven performance".

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In a sharp and confidently delivered speech, Sasse outlined his philosophical support for the government’s role in dealing with “small-ball policy issues” (biannual budgeting), and “epic policy issues” (cyber-warfare, entitlement reform), while entrusting the “foundational issues” (preserving and promoting “the American idea”) to families and communities.

Sasse, who cuts a unique profile as both an aw-shucks Midwesterner and an Ivy League-educated former college president, successfully came across as both intellectual and relatable. At one point, he touched on “Constitutional literalism” after sharing stories of his teenage daughter’s “icky” summer job at a Nebraska ranch. Striking this balance with the Republican base has proven exceedingly difficult for many talented politicians. But Sasse, in introducing himself to an influential constituency, pulled it off.

“@BenSasse just gave one of the most important speeches I’ve ever heard,” tweeted conservative commentator Guy Benson. “Let’s get this guy in front of a crowd.” (The only negative: Sasse’s presentation went 55 minutes, including Q&A time, inviting jokes about how senators love the sound of their own voice.)

Sasse would be the first President since Wilson to have a doctorate.

Well, I guess he has a low standard.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 04, 2016, 09:27:14 am
Cotton will headline the IAGOP dinner this weekend. (https://twitter.com/cam_joseph/status/783311772761595904)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 06, 2016, 03:45:23 pm
Cotton will headline the IAGOP dinner this weekend. (https://twitter.com/cam_joseph/status/783311772761595904)

Looks like he's doing multiple events in the state over the weekend:

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2016/10/04/2020-2024-watch-tom-cotton-headline-2-iowa-events/91543618/

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U.S. Sen. Tom Cotton will headline two major Republican fundraisers in Iowa in the coming days, raising his profile in the state and almost certainly stoking speculation about his intentions in 2020 or beyond.

Cotton, a first-term Republican from Arkansas, will headline the Republican Party of Iowa’s Reagan Dinner in Des Moines on Saturday, followed by a keynote address to the Scott County Republicans’ Reagan Dinner next Tuesday.

He’ll remain in the state throughout the weekend, a spokeswoman told The Des Moines Register, with five additional events planned with various state and federal GOP candidates.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 07, 2016, 08:37:30 am
Cotton's IA tour is super-extensive, but Walker was there too & Haley/Kasich are marking NH. (http://www.wsj.com/articles/arkansas-sen-tom-cotton-plans-iowa-visit-raising-questions-about-2020-1475842232)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Pandaguineapig on October 07, 2016, 08:51:01 am
Cotton's IA tour is super-extensive, but Walker was there too & Haley/Kasich are marking NH. (http://www.wsj.com/articles/arkansas-sen-tom-cotton-plans-iowa-visit-raising-questions-about-2020-1475842232)
Seems like ambitous republicans think/hope trump loses


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 07, 2016, 09:06:01 am
Cotton's IA tour is super-extensive, but Walker was there too & Haley/Kasich are marking NH. (http://www.wsj.com/articles/arkansas-sen-tom-cotton-plans-iowa-visit-raising-questions-about-2020-1475842232)

That story also says that not only was Walker in Iowa last week, but that he's going to New Hampshire next week(!):

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Mr. Cotton is hardly the only upwardly mobile Republican staking a claim on the next presidential campaign. Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker spoke at a fundraiser for Iowa state senate Republicans last week in Dubuque—the same night Mr. Trump was stumping in his home state.

South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley was scheduled to campaign in New Hampshire for GOP gubernatorial candidate Chris Sununu on Thursday before canceling the trip to prepare her state for Hurricane Matthew. Ohio Gov. John Kasich, who lost to Mr. Trump in this year’s GOP primary, stumped for Mr. Sununu last month, and Mr. Walker is to do so next week.

This comes after he met with the delegations of Iowa, New Hampshire, *and* South Carolina at the RNC in July.  Of course, that same month, he said that he wasn't going to run for president in 2020, because he wants to run for reelection in '18, and doesn't want to run for prez while being governor again.  But that's starting to sound less credible, given his activity.

On another note, while folks like Cotton and Kasich have been actively 2020 politicking for a while, Haley going to NH (or at least planning to, before she had to cancel because of the hurricane) is the first concrete sign that she's also interested in 2020.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Young Conservative on October 11, 2016, 10:40:32 pm
Im am THE most conservative person I know, but I am so upset of habit years of one party rule in the white that I am willing to support someone as moderate as Paul Ryan is it means we can have a landslide victory once again....of course I prefer Rand Paul


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: LLR on October 12, 2016, 07:29:01 am
Im am THE most conservative person I know, but I am so upset of habit years of one party rule in the white that I am willing to support someone as moderate as Paul Ryan is it means we can have a landslide victory once again....of course I prefer Rand Paul

From a few minutes of browsing Wikipedia:

-In 2010, Ryan described himself as being "as pro-life as a person gets"

-During Ryan's 1998 campaign for Congress, he "expressed his willingness to let states criminally prosecute women who have abortions,"

-Ryan opposes same-sex marriage, opposed the repeal of the don't ask, don't tell policy, voted against same-sex couples adopting children in Washington D.C., and voted against a bill that would expand federal hate crime laws to cover offenses based on a victim's sexual orientation .

-Ryan, who owns a rifle and a shotgun, is an NRA member, has received an "A" rating from the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action and has been endorsed by the organization every cycle he has been in Congress.

-He also voted to withdraw federal funding of NPR.

"moderate"


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: UWS on October 12, 2016, 07:37:05 am
Did you know that Ryan voted NO on passage of the Bush Administration national energy policy in the 2000s? I'm asking myself why?

http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Paul_Ryan.htm#Energy_+_Oil


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Kylar on October 12, 2016, 01:17:46 pm
I really like the idea of a Cotton, Cruz, Thune, Lee or Sasse 2020 nominee.
Pence is fine, and I'm okay with Haley and Ernst :)
the rest I don't know for sure what I think :)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 14, 2016, 09:31:19 am
Politico has a story on Paul Ryan's (near term) future:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/paul-ryan-future-donald-trump-collapse-229756

Speculation is that (assuming the party doesn't lose its House majority) he'll run for Speaker again, but only if the GOP caucus really wants him.  If the Freedom Caucus tries to wrestle concessions out of him or whatever, then he'll just call it quits, possibly leaving Congress altogether:

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One theory is that Ryan will step aside if Republicans balk at returning him to the speaker's chair, or make him jump over impossibly high hurdles to get there. This was never Ryan's dream job, and he's unlikely to allow conservatives to twist his arm.

“Paul will never be taken hostage by those guys,” said a top GOP lawmaker, speaking on the condition of anonymity. “He will either be able to govern or he will give up the job.”
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Retirement could actually help Ryan if he wants to run for president. He'd be free of the shackles of the Freedom Caucus, the Senate and a Democrat in the White House. He could continue to speak out on his pet issues and causes, on his own timetable: Being speaker forces Ryan into many battles he doesn’t want, often in reaction to events.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 17, 2016, 09:04:46 am
WaPo covers Cotton's Iowa visit:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/16/a-senators-iowa-visit-offers-hints-at-a-post-trump-gop/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 17, 2016, 09:07:50 am
And here's a report on Walker's visit to New Hampshire over the weekend:

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/scott-walker-receives-warm-welcome-in-new-hampshire-on-first/article_be205aae-ab78-567b-bdb3-100d5ad781c0.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 17, 2016, 10:04:34 am
And here's a report on Walker's visit to New Hampshire over the weekend:

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/scott-walker-receives-warm-welcome-in-new-hampshire-on-first/article_be205aae-ab78-567b-bdb3-100d5ad781c0.html

Er that's from last year.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 17, 2016, 10:32:29 am
And here's a report on Walker's visit to New Hampshire over the weekend:

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/scott-walker-receives-warm-welcome-in-new-hampshire-on-first/article_be205aae-ab78-567b-bdb3-100d5ad781c0.html

Er that's from last year.

Ha ha, so it is.  I saw in the WSJ story from last week that Walker was set to visit NH this weekend to campaign for Sununu, so I searched Google News today for "Walker Sununu New Hampshire", and this came up.  I didn't notice the date.  My bad.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 17, 2016, 10:40:41 am
And here's a report on Walker's visit to New Hampshire over the weekend:

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/scott-walker-receives-warm-welcome-in-new-hampshire-on-first/article_be205aae-ab78-567b-bdb3-100d5ad781c0.html

Er that's from last year.


Ha ha, so it is.  I saw in the WSJ story from last week that Walker was set to visit NH this weekend to campaign for Sununu, so I searched Google News today for "Walker Sununu New Hampshire", and this came up.  I didn't notice the date.  My bad.


Only thing I found is a single pic on Walker's personal FB feed. Not even on Sununu's. Sad! :P


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 17, 2016, 06:59:06 pm
In his Senate debate, Rubio (fingers presumably crossed) says he will serve a full Senate term, "God willing."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Big Daddy Gonna Take Care Of Us on October 17, 2016, 07:40:48 pm
In his Senate debate, Rubio (fingers presumably crossed) says he will serve a full Senate term, "God willing."
He doesn't need to cross his fingers to lie to you, RB, he's going to run again and then say that he meant he wouldn't resign in order to run. Basically, he's just giving himself a sentence to use in 2020 when Walker, Cotton, Haley, or one of the others mentioned in this thread use the same Christie attacks against him. If he beats Murphy (hope he doesn't but who knows at this point) he's not going to suddenly learn to respect his seat and the people who put him in it.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 19, 2016, 10:19:41 am
Bevin and Cotton will be guests at Branstad's birthday bash next month. (https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/788760461286084610)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Enduro on October 22, 2016, 10:13:18 am
It might be a little early for any of these potential candidates to explore a run for president...


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 22, 2016, 10:41:53 am
It might be a little early for any of these potential candidates to explore a run for president...

Maybe it is, and maybe it isn't.  But the fact remains that several of them do appear to be laying the groundwork, and so they're providing us useful clues on the question of who is interested in running.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Vosem on October 23, 2016, 12:42:10 am
In his Senate debate, Rubio (fingers presumably crossed) says he will serve a full Senate term, "God willing."
He doesn't need to cross his fingers to lie to you, RB, he's going to run again and then say that he meant he wouldn't resign in order to run. Basically, he's just giving himself a sentence to use in 2020 when Walker, Cotton, Haley, or one of the others mentioned in this thread use the same Christie attacks against him. If he beats Murphy (hope he doesn't but who knows at this point) he's not going to suddenly learn to respect his seat and the people who put him in it.

The people are putting him in his seat so he can run against Hillary Clinton.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 26, 2016, 11:36:40 am
CNN has a story on the possibility that Trump allies will try to derail Ryan's reelection as Speaker:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/26/politics/paul-ryan-leadership-trump/

I'm still not sure Ryan is going to bother running for Speaker again if it looks like that'll give him headaches.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: TarHeelDem on October 26, 2016, 10:10:32 pm
I could definitely see Joe Walsh seeing a lot of potential with today's GOP and mounting a semi-successful run.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: GoTfan on October 30, 2016, 07:14:59 am
Can anyone see McMullin running for the GOP nod if he wins Utah this year?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on October 30, 2016, 12:24:55 pm
This thread is for actual news, not that sort of speculation.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Big Daddy Gonna Take Care Of Us on October 30, 2016, 12:52:46 pm
Bevin going out to Iowa is new. He hasn't been on my 2020 radar at all (mainly because he's a recent arrival to politics and the current election has my full attention), but I could see myself getting behind him if he ran.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 30, 2016, 01:03:48 pm
Last week, Rubio said that he does not currently hold any 2020 presidential ambitions (though that hardly makes for a Shermanesque denial):

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/19/politics/rubio-on-senate-run/

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"First of all, because I've said it. Not only am I going to serve for six years, I've been honest with people, the things I want to achieve, some may take longer than six years to achieve. So that's what my focus is on, 100%," Rubio said.
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”If I wanted to run for something else, I wouldn't have run for Senate," Rubio continued. "My opponent keeps saying I'm gonna run for president. If I wanted to run for president in four years, I would have just stayed out of this race and started running on November the 9, which a lot of other people are going to do. I wouldn't have run for re-election at the last minute in the toughest swing state in the country, in a year as uncertain as this one."

Cotton asked about his 2020 plans:

http://www.nwahomepage.com/your-local-election-headquarters/cotton-on-2020-bid-its-better-to-write-your-plan-in-pencil

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Cotton also spent time in Iowa. When asked about a possible 2020 bid, Cotton had this to say:

"I don't think that you should rule in or rule out much in life. One thing I learned because of the 9/11 attacks, it's good to have a plan in life, but it's better to write your plan in pencil," said Cotton.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: libertpaulian on October 30, 2016, 09:06:33 pm
If Cotton runs, Rubio won't.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Spiral on October 30, 2016, 09:38:36 pm
If Cotton runs, Rubio won't.

Why's that? Didn't a bunch of people expect Rubio to step down when Bush seemed primed to jump in?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: libertpaulian on October 31, 2016, 06:21:08 am
If Cotton runs, Rubio won't.

Why's that? Didn't a bunch of people expect Rubio to step down when Bush seemed primed to jump in?
They'd split the war-hungry neocon vote.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 03, 2016, 05:19:17 pm
More talk that Ryan might well step down as Speaker:

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/304245-chatter-grows-that-ryan-could-step-down

If he leaves his job as Speaker after next week's election, does that make him more likely to run for prez in 2020?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Big Daddy Gonna Take Care Of Us on November 03, 2016, 05:58:23 pm
More talk that Ryan might well step down as Speaker:

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/304245-chatter-grows-that-ryan-could-step-down

If he leaves his job as Speaker after next week's election, does that make him more likely to run for prez in 2020?

He declined to make a run in '16 to advance his ambition to eventually be Speaker before the decade was up. If he stands down now, he's definitely trying to save some skin before 2020. I just can't imagine him surrendering his congressional seniority to advance to the Senate at this point. I can't imagine the question being anything other than 2020 or stay put for Ryan.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Kingpoleon on November 03, 2016, 07:07:34 pm
Ryan's best hope is retiring now or in 2018, with Walker losing in 2018 and Ryan running for Governor in 2022.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Horsemask on November 03, 2016, 07:20:28 pm
More talk that Ryan might well step down as Speaker:

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/304245-chatter-grows-that-ryan-could-step-down

If he leaves his job as Speaker after next week's election, does that make him more likely to run for prez in 2020?


I certainly think so


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 08, 2016, 05:44:36 pm
Kasich giving an AEI speech later this week. (http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/11/08/john-kasich-speech-american-enterprise-institute/93495856/)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Big Daddy Gonna Take Care Of Us on November 09, 2016, 03:55:24 am
Well....we know President Trump is running.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 09, 2016, 04:04:37 am
Yeah, I guess this thread is now going to mostly focus on the Dems.  Recall that Booker, both Castros, Klobuchar, O'Malley, and Sanders all had meetings with early primary state delegations at the DNC this past summer.  Cuomo and Gillibrand were also said to have been politicking there, though those two didn't meet with any of the early state delegations this time.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Devout Centrist on November 09, 2016, 07:30:12 pm
Calling it now, Kamala Harris is the Dem nominee in 2020 and beats Trump similar to Reagan v. Carter.

I will now accept my accolades!1!1!1!1!1!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Vega on November 09, 2016, 08:20:04 pm
2020 as it stands does remind me a lot of 1980, but with roles reversed.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: henster on November 10, 2016, 12:13:30 am
People talking up Kamala not really sure what she does for WWC. Klobuchar seems like the perfect candidate.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Maxwell on November 10, 2016, 12:23:55 am
People talking up Kamala not really sure what she does for WWC. Klobuchar seems like the perfect candidate.

Obama did better with WWC than Clinton did - why would Klobuchar, who is as bland as can be and largely follow the Clinton format, do better than Harris?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: henster on November 10, 2016, 01:36:04 am
People talking up Kamala not really sure what she does for WWC. Klobuchar seems like the perfect candidate.

Obama did better with WWC than Clinton did - why would Klobuchar, who is as bland as can be and largely follow the Clinton format, do better than Harris?

Well Klobuchar represents a state with a large WWC population and routinely wins by large margins. And Clinton was not bland she has massive baggage and scandals while Klobuchar is clean, she is a former prosecutor like Kamala.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: politics_king on November 10, 2016, 03:44:22 am
Exploratory committees will start soon. With vetting starting by Fall 2017, and the mid-term election will be really interesting to look at because if Trump tanks, the Democrats need to pounce. They need to really reorganize how they campaign, Democrats need to be told to vote and Republicans don't. The best thing to do is really use Trump to agitate the Democratic Party but do it in a positive fashion, this negative campaigning had no effect on Trump and he can play that game. Do it in a positive manner and critique policy, the Democrats should have no problem.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on November 10, 2016, 06:11:40 am
Sherrod Brown seems like a good bet.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: AuH2O Republican on November 10, 2016, 07:13:36 am
If he survives what could be a tough Senate election...Joe Manchin??


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RRusso1982 on November 10, 2016, 08:06:07 am
I think it is very possible Trump won't run for reelection in 2020.  I think he will find being President of the United States to be a step down for him.  Plus he'll be 74 in 2020.  I think he quits and grooms Mike Pence to run. 


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 10, 2016, 09:24:08 am
Hey guys, there are plenty of threads here for idle speculation.  This thread is about actual news about people who might run.  Not really intended for "Hey, what about X?  Maybe he'll run." type posts, that aren't grounded in any actual news.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: AGA on November 10, 2016, 10:18:18 am
If he survives what could be a tough Senate election...Joe Manchin??

No way he would be nominated.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: libertpaulian on November 10, 2016, 10:43:44 am
If he survives what could be a tough Senate election...Joe Manchin??

No way he would be nominated.
This.  The Dems are too SJW now to nominate a white Southern man who would already be in his 70s when primary season starts.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Snek! on November 10, 2016, 10:49:40 am
If he survives what could be a tough Senate election...Joe Manchin??

No way he would be nominated.
This.  The Dems are too SJW now to nominate a white Southern man who would already be in his 70s when primary season starts.

It is not even that. He is old. We need to stop nominating old people and rebuild our bench. PERIOD.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Downnice on November 10, 2016, 01:23:48 pm
What about Inslee in 2020 for the Democratic nomination


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on November 10, 2016, 01:31:13 pm
Hey guys, there are plenty of threads here for idle speculation.  This thread is about actual news about people who might run.  Not really intended for "Hey, what about X?  Maybe he'll run." type posts, that aren't grounded in any actual news.


I think maybe you should post this in the title or something. People are ignoring it.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Crumpets on November 10, 2016, 02:16:37 pm
What about Inslee in 2020 for the Democratic nomination

He's too boring. He does his job well, and would have a lot to run on, but some debate moderator would ask him about the death penalty or allowing in refugees, he'd give some Dukakis-style answer, and newspapers would run with him being robotic and timid, even if those are some of his strongest areas imho.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Rip Heidi FF :( on November 10, 2016, 02:42:32 pm
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/796790661659951104 Bernie Sanders not ruling out 2020 run


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Big Daddy Gonna Take Care Of Us on November 10, 2016, 03:08:21 pm
People talking up Kamala not really sure what she does for WWC. Klobuchar seems like the perfect candidate.

Obama did better with WWC than Clinton did - why would Klobuchar, who is as bland as can be and largely follow the Clinton format, do better than Harris?

Well Klobuchar represents a state with a large WWC population and routinely wins by large margins. And Clinton was not bland she has massive baggage and scandals while Klobuchar is clean, she is a former prosecutor like Kamala.
Klobuchar is part of the Clinton class and the same Trump Democrats who propelled him to the Presidency will see through her. Kamala Harris, on the other hand, is someone whom I'm genuinely worried about long term.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Devout Centrist on November 10, 2016, 03:45:59 pm
People talking up Kamala not really sure what she does for WWC. Klobuchar seems like the perfect candidate.
Harris/Franken could be a solid ticket.

Or reverse it.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 10, 2016, 04:36:51 pm
Relevant again, now that Clinton has lost:

The New York Post says that Cuomo has no intention of challenging Clinton in 2016 (duh), but is gearing up to run for president in 2020, should the GOP win in 2016:

http://nypost.com/2014/11/03/cuomo-might-run-for-president-in-2020-if-hillary-loses-in-2016/

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Gov. Cuomo’s new autobiography, his recently announced plans to travel to China, Italy and Israel, and his campaign vow to serve a full four-year term if re-elected are the early stages of a well- thought-out, under-the-radar strategy for him to run for president in 2020, not 2016, The Post has learned.

It’s a six-year strategy based on the ironic assumption that Hillary Rodham Clinton, the all-but-certain Democratic candidate for president in 2016, is defeated by the Republican candidate that year, whoever it turns out to be, Democratic Party insiders said.

Cuomo, who has privately ruled out challenging Clinton because he knows he can’t beat her, is “focused on the possibility that Hillary could easily lose the election and what that means for his political future,’’ said a top Democratic official with longstanding ties to the governor.

“If Hillary does go down and a Republican wins — and that could certainly happen after eight years of Obama — then the Democratic field will be cleared for 2020 and Andrew can make his move,’’ the official said.



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on November 10, 2016, 04:39:53 pm
If Democrats choose to clear the field for Cuomo, they deserve 4 more years of Trump.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Vega on November 10, 2016, 04:43:35 pm
Cuomo isn't going to be the nominee. Don't need to worry about that.

4 years ago I might have been worried that he had a shot, but given how damaged goods he is now (he spoke out of prime-time at the DNC, if you recall), he won't bee.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Maxwell on November 10, 2016, 04:44:19 pm
I think Cuomo is more likely to be in a prison cell by 2020 than the Democratic nominee. I hope I'm right.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Senator Haslam2020 on November 10, 2016, 09:03:41 pm
If Democrats choose to clear the field for Cuomo, they deserve 4 more years of Trump.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RaphaelDLG on November 10, 2016, 10:52:31 pm
If Democrats choose to clear the field for Cuomo, they deserve 4 more years of Trump.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: fhtagn on November 11, 2016, 02:04:50 am
I'd love to see O'Malley try again. Now that he has slightly more name recognition and it's not as big of a ticket as Hillary and Bernie, I can see him doing much better.

I can see an argument for Hassan and Duckworth, but I think at that point Hassan may not do as well if the Dems keep the idea of wanting someone younger (and her very close ties with Clinton), Duckworth would make more sense.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: publicunofficial on November 11, 2016, 03:51:44 am
I'd love to see O'Malley try again. Now that he has slightly more name recognition and it's not as big of a ticket as Hillary and Bernie, I can see him doing much better.

I can see an argument for Hassan and Duckworth, but I think at that point Hassan may not do as well if the Dems keep the idea of wanting someone younger (and her very close ties with Clinton), Duckworth would make more sense.

O'Malley running in 2020 would be like Ehrlich running in 2016.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Celes on November 11, 2016, 02:33:43 pm
O'Malley "taking a hard look at" (https://www.facebook.com/MartinOMalley/posts/10157904578785393) DNC Chair

In the event he gets it, I wouldn't be surprised if that takes him out of the running in 2020.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: The Vorlon on November 11, 2016, 02:52:48 pm
Hillary 2020

Bet on it!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: indysaff on November 11, 2016, 04:38:46 pm
Hillary 2020

Bet on it!

No. She's done, same with Bernie and even Michelle (wasn't likely anyways)

Democrats need someone fresh and new.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 11, 2016, 05:57:37 pm
A reporter asks Klobuchar about possible 2020 ambitions, and she gives a non-denial answer:

http://kstp.com/politics/us-senator-amy-klobuchar-2020-presidential-run-speculation/4315698/?cat=12681

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"We just got through a presidential race and I love my job and what I do now, and more than ever we need people in the Senate that can work across the aisle," she said.

Meanwhile, looks like Cuomo talked to Trump on Wednesday.  He says there may be benefits to New York in having Trump in the White House:

http://www.twcnews.com/nys/central-ny/decision-2016/2016/11/9/andrew-cuomo-gets-call-from-donald-trump.html

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“I think Donald Trump being from New York is the bonus not just for New York,” Cuomo said in an interview on our sister station NY1, “but for other states, also.”

Cuomo and Trump spoke on the phone on Wednesday, hours after he shocked the world by winning the presidency over the heavy favorite, Democrat Hillary Clinton.

“We had a good conversation,” Cuomo said. “I look forward to working together.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: KingSweden on November 11, 2016, 09:01:13 pm
Yeahhhh there's a 0% chance of Cuomo ever getting the nom


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Averroës on November 12, 2016, 08:53:16 am
Yeahhhh there's a 0% chance of Cuomo ever getting the nom

It'd be pretty ironic (also despairing) if, just four years after Republicans campaigned against Clinton with chants of "lock her up!, Democrats actually nominated someone who belongs in a federal penitentiary.



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Trapsy on November 12, 2016, 09:28:15 am
God I hate Cuomo more than anything. Nothing like his father.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 12, 2016, 10:32:52 am
Both Cuomo and Warren are asked about 2020:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/which-democrats-could-challenge-donald-trump-in-2020-presidentia/

Cuomo

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Asked on Wednesday about a possible role in the 2020 presidential race, Mr Cuomo, 58, said: “I see a role for myself as governor of New York.”

Warren

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When asked who she would choose as a running mate for 2020, the mother-of-two laughed and deflected. “That is a long way off,” she said. “We don’t have energy to waste on that.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: mencken on November 12, 2016, 11:07:53 am
Warren

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When asked who she would choose as a running mate for 2020, the mother-of-two laughed and deflected. “That is a long way off,” she said. “We don’t have energy to waste on that.”

How low-energy of her.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 12, 2016, 01:12:08 pm
I continue to think that if Trump gets a challenger, it’s most likely to come from the so-called Liberty wing of the party.  Maybe it’ll be Rand Paul, but Justin Amash continues to be the one I’m looking at as a leading possibility.  Amash is already voicing skepticism about Trump, as seen by his recent tweets:

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/797213664021512194
https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/797264890197053440
https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/797421508297707520 (this one is from the AP, but was retweeted by Amash)

Meanwhile, on the Sanders front, Bernie’s wife says that he’s not concerned about what happens in 2020, as he’s focused on the present:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/11/politics/jane-sanders-bernie-sanders-2020/

But then, what else is she going to say?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: White Trash on November 12, 2016, 04:58:00 pm
I'm writing letters to Representative Stephen Lynch, Brian Schweitzer and Jon Tester imploring them to consider a run for 2020.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Acestroke on November 12, 2016, 05:37:53 pm
Hard to see a scenario where Democrats don't go full Corbyn in 2020. Hillary's coalition of white neoliberal elites and minorities barely stopped the left in 2016 (helped by collusion and cheating). Who can replicate that in 2020? Cory Booker maybe?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: michelle on November 12, 2016, 06:40:23 pm
I've been hearing that some people, some very important, highly respected people want Michelle Obama to run for president.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: publicunofficial on November 12, 2016, 07:19:48 pm
I'm writing letters to Representative Stephen Lynch, Brian Schweitzer and Jon Tester imploring them to consider a run for 2020.

A social conservative will never win the nomination (No Lynch), Brian Schweitzer is past his time and also kinda nuts. Tester I could support.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Comrade Funk on November 12, 2016, 07:27:06 pm
I've been hearing that some people, some very important, highly respected people want Michelle Obama to run for president.
Maybe, but it'd continue the streak of an election with a Bush/Clinton/Obama on the ticket, starting from 1980. Feel like people are getting sick of that, so another Obama is risky.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Anarcho-Tolkienism on November 12, 2016, 07:32:30 pm
I'm writing letters to Representative Stephen Lynch, Brian Schweitzer and Jon Tester imploring them to consider a run for 2020.

If any of them could be competitive in the primary, I think they could help bring the eventual Democratic nominee (which is extremely unlikely to be any of those three) back to earth enough to understand how and why they should appeal to the White working class.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: White Trash on November 12, 2016, 07:46:51 pm
I'm writing letters to Representative Stephen Lynch, Brian Schweitzer and Jon Tester imploring them to consider a run for 2020.

A social conservative will never win the nomination (No Lynch), Brian Schweitzer is past his time and also kinda nuts. Tester I could support.
Lynch isn't really even a social conservative. He's a conservative in comparison to the rest of Massachusetts's politicians. Which is like being the most honest man in Washington.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on November 12, 2016, 07:51:55 pm
I'm writing letters to Representative Stephen Lynch, Brian Schweitzer and Jon Tester imploring them to consider a run for 2020.

A social conservative will never win the nomination (No Lynch), Brian Schweitzer is past his time and also kinda nuts. Tester I could support.
Lynch isn't really even a social conservative. He's a conservative in comparison to the rest of Massachusetts's politicians. Which is like being the most honest man in Washington.

He'd do about as well as Lincoln Chafee. He wouldn't even have name recognition in Massachusetts outside his district if it wasn't for his failed Senate run in 2013.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: White Trash on November 12, 2016, 07:55:18 pm
I'm writing letters to Representative Stephen Lynch, Brian Schweitzer and Jon Tester imploring them to consider a run for 2020.

A social conservative will never win the nomination (No Lynch), Brian Schweitzer is past his time and also kinda nuts. Tester I could support.
Lynch isn't really even a social conservative. He's a conservative in comparison to the rest of Massachusetts's politicians. Which is like being the most honest man in Washington.

He'd do about as well as Lincoln Chafee. He wouldn't even have name recognition in Massachusetts outside his district if it wasn't for his failed Senate run in 2013.
You're probably right. But a boy can dream, can't he?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on November 12, 2016, 08:43:22 pm
I guess if I had to pick a dream candidate from the MA House delegation it would be Jim McGovern. He's able to sell progressive ideas in a relatively moderate district. But he's expressed no interest in running for higher office.

We're getting kind of off-topic though.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on November 12, 2016, 09:59:20 pm
Didn't Jon Tester vote against the auto bailout? There's a winning Michigan candidate! ::)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 13, 2016, 10:25:25 am
More Cuomo talk:

http://buffalonews.com/2016/11/13/cuomo-in-2020/

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Less than 24 hours after Donald Trump’s triumph over Hillary Clinton last week, Andrew Cuomo’s name appeared on a growing list of Democrats who could make a run for the White House in 2020.

The two-term New York governor is doing little to tamp down that chatter, and he wasted little time last week stoking the speculation.

Cuomo appeared on a New York City TV station the day after the election, talking about the expected national political debate over the next four years.
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Democrats say the dangling answers can be expected from Cuomo from now on. He’s not encouraging the talk, his allies say. But he’s not discouraging it, either

“I guarantee this is something that Andrew Cuomo wants people to talk about. It increases his stature nationally, and it makes him more formidable in New York,’’ said one Democratic campaign strategist who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The story also notes that it’s unclear if, should Cuomo decide to run, he’ll bother running for a 3rd term as governor first in 2018.  It might be easier for him to leave Albany before mounting a presidential campaign.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Vega on November 13, 2016, 12:05:43 pm
Cuomo will be crushed in the primary. This isn't 1992.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: coloradocowboi on November 13, 2016, 01:49:00 pm
If he survives what could be a tough Senate election...Joe Manchin??

No way he would be nominated.
This.  The Dems are too SJW now to nominate a white Southern man who would already be in his 70s when primary season starts.

It is not even that. He is old. We need to stop nominating old people and rebuild our bench. PERIOD.
And he's owned by fossil fuels. We didn't lose this election by not being moderate enough. We lost it because people couldn't tell the difference.

Hard to see a scenario where Democrats don't go full Corbyn in 2020. Hillary's coalition of white neoliberal elites and minorities barely stopped the left in 2016 (helped by collusion and cheating). Who can replicate that in 2020? Cory Booker maybe?

And those same groups didn't turn out for HRC. Makes me wonder whether her "coalition" in the primary was really just older African Americans and Hispanics, corporate Dems, and women and LGBTQ folks (like myself) who were too enthusiastic about her historicity to see her flaws clearly.

The data has always said that economics wins elections, and I think leftist populism that gets the WWC folks who will be inevitably disappointed by the Donald and communities of color to the polls, tinged with feminist and pro-equality rhetoric builds a much better coalition than Cory Booker's corporate PR non-message.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Obama/Clinton/Polis liberal Democrat for Cory Gardner on November 13, 2016, 02:16:19 pm
It's not going to be Cuomo, Booker, Kaine, or any other Democrat in that mold. It's going to be someone popular with the young-uns, trust me on that.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Polarized Elastic Libertarian MT Treasurer on November 13, 2016, 02:32:00 pm
It's not going to be Cuomo, Booker, Kaine, or any other Democrat in that mold. It's going to be someone popular with the young-uns, trust me on that.

Maybe, but good luck getting that person to win anything in the South.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 13, 2016, 02:38:22 pm
2020 watch on the Sunday morning talk shows: Booker was on Meet the Press this morning, while Sanders was on Face the Nation.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Oh Jeremy Corbyn! on November 13, 2016, 02:39:38 pm
What about Inslee in 2020 for the Democratic nomination

The moron who predicted Hillary would beat Bernie in Washington?  No thanks.  He's so out of touch, it's not even funny.  The nominee has to be a Bernie supporter because everyone else proved themselves to be clueless.  Jeff Merkley would be the best option by far.  Keith Ellison would be a good option but being Muslim would hurt his chances.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Obama/Clinton/Polis liberal Democrat for Cory Gardner on November 13, 2016, 03:12:02 pm
It's not going to be Cuomo, Booker, Kaine, or any other Democrat in that mold. It's going to be someone popular with the young-uns, trust me on that.

Maybe, but good luck getting that person to win anything in the South.

That candidate wouldn't need to win the South. They'd just need to do better than Bernie there and in the Rust Belt.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 13, 2016, 04:04:52 pm
Some more 2020 talk from the Dems (much of it dated, but relevant again)….

Biden
Over the summer, Biden said that he wouldn’t rule out running for office in the future:

http://time.com/4432295/joe-biden-vice-president-office-2/

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When asked if he would run for office again, Biden said: “I don’t plan on that. But, you know, I’ve learned a long time ago, you don’t say anything for absolutely certain.”

Booker
A few days before the election, this was Booker on 2020:

http://www.wkyc.com/news/politics/elections/us-senator-cory-booker-one-on-one/347525918

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Golston: “People have said you’re enigmatic, people have said even when you were a Mayor, that you had your eyes on the White House.”

Booker: “My house in Newark, it’s not white… but it’s not white… but I’ve had an eye on that house. The reality is I feel blessed to have served about two terms as mayor of the City of Newark… taking our city from financial catastrophe during the recession to its greatest economic development in 60 years… I have no focus, but being a great United States Senator and focusing on issues that often don’t make it into the national consciousness like criminal justice reform like creating apprentice programs…. “
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Golston: “So, what are you saying. Are you saying you won’t run in 2020?”

Booker: “I’m saying that Hillary Clinton will be President in 2020 and I’ll be back here fighting for her reelection in 2020.”

Golston: If it doesn’t happen, are you gonna run in 2020?

Booker: “If it doesn’t happen I might not be running for the presidency, I might be running from the President. Because if it’s Donald Trump, I think we’re going to have serious problems.”

de Blasio

This story from last year is worth a read again:

http://www.businessinsider.com/what-does-bill-de-blasio-want-in-2016-2015-4

It talks about how de Blasio made a trip to Iowa last year, which sparked a brief round of speculation about whether he might be interested in running as the progressive insurgent candidate against Clinton in the ’16 Dem. primaries.  Of course, de Blasio passed on a run:

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"No. No. No," de Blasio stated in response to a question about whether he's running or in any way positioning himself for a presidential campaign.
 
"I’ve really said ‘no’ a lot. I’m going to say no again. I am running for re-election as the mayor of New York City in 2017," added de Blasio, who took office last year.

But that was in response to the question of whether he’d run in ’16.  Running for reelection as mayor of NYC doesn’t preclude him running for president in 2020.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Vega on November 13, 2016, 05:32:06 pm
de Blasio is definitely under hyped for 2020.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Shadows on November 13, 2016, 11:41:30 pm
De Blasio is left nowhere - Neither on the Bernie camp nor Hillary although he is trying to cosy up to Bernie to get the progressive rub off further.

But he is only a big city mayor. IMO he should run for Senate or be a governor to be considered seriously. I think he will run for NY Governor soon!

Hope xingkerui is right & we don't get Booker, Kaine, Gillebrand, Coumo type but a firebrand progressive with strong appeal to young voters - 4 years is a long time & new leaders will come too


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: LLR on November 14, 2016, 07:29:04 am
de Blasio is definitely under hyped for 2020.

I don't even know if he'll be my mayor 14 months from now


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on November 14, 2016, 10:22:53 am
de Blasio is definitely under hyped for 2020.

I love him, but the last person the Democrats need right now is the mayor of New York, whoever that is.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Trounce-'em Theresa on November 14, 2016, 10:25:24 am
de Blasio is definitely under hyped for 2020.

I love him, but the last person the Democrats need right now is the mayor of New York, whoever that is.

Similarly, I think the biggest problem with Harris at this point is the optics of her having been a San Francisco local politician. Most of the other negatives about her can be cancelled out--'muh soft on crime' with the fact that she was a DA, her less-than-Ozzie and Harriet personal life with Trump's vastly worse one, et cetera--but not that one, unfair as that is.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: libertpaulian on November 14, 2016, 10:34:22 am
de Blasio is definitely under hyped for 2020.

I don't even know if he'll be my mayor 14 months from now
Crime is pretty low in New York.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on November 14, 2016, 10:39:22 am
de Blasio is definitely under hyped for 2020.

I love him, but the last person the Democrats need right now is the mayor of New York, whoever that is.

Similarly, I think the biggest problem with Harris at this point is the optics of her having been a San Francisco local politician. Most of the other negatives about her can be cancelled out--'muh soft on crime' with the fact that she was a DA, her less-than-Ozzie and Harriet personal life with Trump's vastly worse one, et cetera--but not that one, unfair as that is.

Yeah, I still think Harris is a good candidate, but that is a major roadblock for her.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: ExtremeConservative on November 14, 2016, 10:42:25 am
Everyone is saying that Cuomo is too moderate to win a Democratic nomination, but he is literally the guy who said that pro-lifers have no place in New York.  How liberal does one have to go to win the nomination?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Trounce-'em Theresa on November 14, 2016, 10:43:26 am
Everyone is saying that Cuomo is too moderate to win a Democratic nomination, but he is literally the guy who said that pro-lifers have no place in New York.  How liberal does one have to go to win the nomination?

He's too 'finance capitalist with socially liberal characteristics', not too overall-moderate.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: ❤️❤️❤️ on November 14, 2016, 10:55:30 am
Everyone is saying that Cuomo is too moderate to win a Democratic nomination, but he is literally the guy who said that pro-lifers have no place in New York.  How liberal does one have to go to win the nomination?

Because being pro choice is the sole determinant of liberalism ::).


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Kalwejt on November 14, 2016, 01:45:08 pm
Again, Biden will be 78 in 2008. While it's becoming more and more common for older politicians to run viable campaigns, I still think 2016 was his last chance.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: coloradocowboi on November 14, 2016, 03:54:42 pm
It's not going to be Cuomo, Booker, Kaine, or any other Democrat in that mold. It's going to be someone popular with the young-uns, trust me on that.

Maybe, but good luck getting that person to win anything in the South.

That candidate wouldn't need to win the South. They'd just need to do better than Bernie there and in the Rust Belt.

I also don't get the assertion that only a "New Democrat" could win in the South. sh**tty AA turnout is what doomed us in FL and NC not lopsided defeat among moderate whites, and Hillary's appeal to the intellectual class in places like the Triangle and Tampa paid very meager dividends.

I think leftwing populism is a smart investment plan in the South, especially as homophobia and religious conservatism begins to fade across the country. The Country Club Repubs will always hold their nose and vote GOP, but we can start picking off some hillfolk again if we shed the elitist image.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Devout Centrist on November 14, 2016, 04:15:36 pm
Everyone is saying that Cuomo is too moderate to win a Democratic nomination, but he is literally the guy who said that pro-lifers have no place in New York.  How liberal does one have to go to win the nomination?
No, he's too corrupt.

Clinton had a lot of smoke around her. Cuomo is on fire.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Vega on November 14, 2016, 04:27:01 pm
Yeah, let's appoint another corrupt New York Democrat who served in the Clinton administration as the Nominee!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Horsemask on November 14, 2016, 06:34:57 pm
I feel like Booker is really gearing up for a run in 2020.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Big Daddy Gonna Take Care Of Us on November 14, 2016, 06:38:53 pm
Any rumblings about Cruz? The rumor I heard early on in the summer was that he was preparing to coral potential donors in preparation for a 2020 run regardless of who wins.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: ‼realJohnEwards‼ on November 14, 2016, 06:40:23 pm
Any rumblings about Cruz? The rumor I heard early on in the summer was that he was preparing to coral potential donors in preparation for a 2020 run regardless of who wins.
Sounds like Clinton in 2013/2014... just saying

Actually, I would enjoy it greatly if Cruz repeated 2016 (but flipped) in 2020. Given how overwhelmed Trump has been so far (and not even in office yet!), I wouldn't be surprised if he declined to run...


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Big Daddy Gonna Take Care Of Us on November 14, 2016, 06:45:03 pm
Any rumblings about Cruz? The rumor I heard early on in the summer was that he was preparing to coral potential donors in preparation for a 2020 run regardless of who wins.
Sounds like Clinton in 2013/2014... just saying

Actually, I would enjoy it greatly if Cruz repeated 2016 (but flipped) in 2020. Given how overwhelmed Trump has been so far, I wouldn't be surprised if he declined to run

A lot of Trump supporters are optimistic that he might complete the "holy trinity of Trumpism" (NAFTA, the wall, and Obamacare) by 2020 and turn the keys over to Pence. He himself has hinted that he only wants the job as long as he is needed. I personally want him to serve two full terms, even if it means handing the Presidency over to the Democrats afterwards (second terms always seem to go south) in 2024 because I don't want the exiled establishment Republicans launching a counter-revolution before we become entrenched.

Anywho, Trump being a one term President is almost more likely if he's successful than unsuccessful.



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Vega on November 14, 2016, 06:47:26 pm
Any rumblings about Cruz? The rumor I heard early on in the summer was that he was preparing to coral potential donors in preparation for a 2020 run regardless of who wins.
Sounds like Clinton in 2013/2014... just saying

Actually, I would enjoy it greatly if Cruz repeated 2016 (but flipped) in 2020. Given how overwhelmed Trump has been so far, I wouldn't be surprised if he declined to run

A lot of Trump supporters are optimistic that he might complete the "holy trinity of Trumpism" (NAFTA, the wall, and Obamacare) by 2020 and turn the keys over to Pence. He himself has hinted that he only wants the job as long as he is needed. I personally want him to serve two full terms, even if it means handing the Presidency over to the Democrats afterwards (second terms always seem to go south) in 2024 because I don't want the exiled establishment Republicans launching a counter-revolution before we become entrenched.

Anywho, Trump being a one term President is almost more likely if he's successful than unsuccessful.



I could see Trump not running in 2020 because he can spin things as "a job done" and not being a career politician, etc.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: coloradocowboi on November 14, 2016, 11:07:53 pm
I feel like Booker is really gearing up for a run in 2020.

Democratic consultants everywhere are rejoicing!

But normal people won't like this guy.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Kingpoleon on November 15, 2016, 01:00:42 am
Everyone is saying that Cuomo is too moderate to win a Democratic nomination, but he is literally the guy who said that pro-lifers have no place in New York.  How liberal does one have to go to win the nomination?
Corrupt social liberals =/= progressives/social democrats


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 15, 2016, 09:33:03 am
Republican Governors Association is meeting this week, and as this story notes, it now looks like folks like Kasich and Walker are putting their presidential ambitions on hold because Trump will presumably be re-nominated in 2020:

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-11-15/now-in-trump-s-shadow-republican-governors-put-presidential-aspirations-on-hold

In Kasich's case, "on hold" might well mean "giving up on", since he'll be over 70 in 2024.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on November 15, 2016, 03:45:18 pm
Republican Governors Association is meeting this week, and as this story notes, it now looks like folks like Kasich and Walker are putting their presidential ambitions on hold because Trump will presumably be re-nominated in 2020:

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-11-15/now-in-trump-s-shadow-republican-governors-put-presidential-aspirations-on-hold

In Kasich's case, "on hold" might well mean "giving up on", since he'll be over 70 in 2024.


I wouldn't be shocked if he runs in 2024, but he'll do about as well as George Pataki.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Confused Democrat on November 15, 2016, 05:24:10 pm
Tim Ryan appears to be angling for house minority leader.

Any chance that he throws his hat in the ring come 2020?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Sedona on November 15, 2016, 06:32:15 pm
Any rumblings about Cruz? The rumor I heard early on in the summer was that he was preparing to coral potential donors in preparation for a 2020 run regardless of who wins.
That's assuming he doesn't get primaried in 2018.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 15, 2016, 06:55:19 pm
With Warren as (potentially) de facto Dem. frontrunner, it's worth taking a look at how she's handling her new position as part of the opposition to Trump.  The latest is that she sent Trump a letter:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/11/15/elizabeth-warren-wants-trump-shake-his-transition-team-else/1VIgKifk1aXmf1P1zsDf3K/story.html

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The senator from Massachusetts said Tuesday that she has sent Trump a letter demanding that he remove “special interest lobbyists, Wall Street bankers, and industry insiders” from his transition team, according to a statement sent to the Globe.

“You made numerous promises to the American people in your election campaign, none bigger than the promise to ‘drain the swamp’ of Washington D.C. special interests rigged against the middle class,” Warren said she wrote to Trump. “The decisions you make with your transition team will shape the next four years of this nation. They will also reflect the strength of your character and your ability to truly lead — not just follow the marching orders of the special interests and Wall Street bankers you purportedly oppose.”

Warren said she has asked Trump to remove the lobbyists and Wall Street insiders from his team and turn instead to “advisors who will fight for the interests of the American people.”

“Should you refuse, I will oppose you, every step of the way, for the next four years,” Warren said she wrote to Trump. “I will champion the millions of Americans you will fail to protect. I will track your every move, and I will remind Americans, every day, of the actions you take that fail them. And I will not be the only one watching. The millions of Americans who voted for you — and the millions who didn’t — will all be watching you.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Vega on November 15, 2016, 06:59:52 pm
I would argue Sanders is the de facto frontrunner, or at least tied for that nod with Warren.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on November 15, 2016, 08:21:14 pm
I would argue Sanders is the de facto frontrunner, or at least tied for that nod with Warren.

There's only been one poll (from before the 2016 election) and it had Warren ahead. I'm not sure if Sanders was even included though.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Confused Democrat on November 16, 2016, 12:00:03 am
I would argue Sanders is the de facto frontrunner, or at least tied for that nod with Warren.

There's only been one poll (from before the 2016 election) and it had Warren ahead. I'm not sure if Sanders was even included though.

Warren will be 71 in 2020.

It will be her last chance to run if she really wants it.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on November 16, 2016, 09:33:22 am
Boston Globe: 20 candidates who could run in 2020 — Democrats and Republicans

Democrats
John Bel Edwards
Bill de Blasio
Cory Booker
Sherrod Brown
Julian Castro
Andrew Cuomo
Russ Feingold
Tulsi Gabbard
Kamala Harris
Tim Kaine
Amy Klobuchar
Joe Manchin
Thomas Perez
Bernie Sanders
Tom Steyer
Jon Tester
Elizabeth Warren
Tom Wolf

Republicans
John Kasich
Ted Cruz

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/11/16/candidates-who-could-run-democrats-and-republicans/hxdFmFwXHg64rEEaIgKa9I/story.html?event=event25


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 16, 2016, 09:49:57 am
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/gov-cuomo-seek-reelection-run-president-article-1.2874698

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Even as he’s already been mentioned as a possible Democratic presidential candidate for 2020, Gov. Cuomo Tuesday said he’s focused strictly on his state job.

While Cuomo didn’t specifically rule out a run for President when asked about his plans for 2020 during an appearance in Rochester, he said his plan is to run for reelection as governor in 2018.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Beet on November 16, 2016, 09:58:11 am
Boston Globe: 20 candidates who could run in 2020 — Democrats and Republicans

Democrats
John Bel Edwards
Bill de Blasio
Cory Booker
Sherrod Brown
Julian Castro
Andrew Cuomo
Russ Feingold
Tulsi Gabbard
Kamala Harris
Tim Kaine
Amy Klobuchar
Joe Manchin
Thomas Perez
Bernie Sanders
Tom Steyer
Jon Tester
Elizabeth Warren
Tom Wolf

Republicans
John Kasich
Ted Cruz

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/11/16/candidates-who-could-run-democrats-and-republicans/hxdFmFwXHg64rEEaIgKa9I/story.html?event=event25

Joe Manchin but no Brian Schweitzer?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on November 16, 2016, 12:23:20 pm
Problem with Tester is that we need someone who can hold that sest in Montana. I guess Bullock can appoint himself, but I'd rather if he ran against Daines.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Ronnie on November 16, 2016, 01:10:29 pm
I would argue Sanders is the de facto frontrunner, or at least tied for that nod with Warren.

I'm actually not sure it's likely they'll both throw their hat into the ring, since they agree on almost everything, and by splitting the vote, they would risk throwing the nomination to an establishment Dem.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on November 16, 2016, 01:47:25 pm
I would argue Sanders is the de facto frontrunner, or at least tied for that nod with Warren.

I'm actually not sure it's likely they'll both throw their hat into the ring, since they agree on almost everything, and by splitting the vote, they would risk throwing the nomination to an establishment Dem.

Yeah, Sanders and Warren aren't both going to run. I'd probably bet on neither of them running, but they certainly aren't both going to run.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 17, 2016, 12:06:30 pm
Kaine says no presidential run for him in 2020:

http://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/government-politics/article_cd9f08c2-9594-585d-a558-b4b7bbc55ced.html

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U.S. Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va., wants to stay in the U.S. Senate – and not run for president in 2020.

“I want to be John Warner,” Kaine said, referring to the Virginia Republican who served Virginia in the Senate for 30 years, finished his  public service career in the chamber, and did not seek the White House.

“I want to run and I want to serve in the Senate for a long time,” Kaine continued. Asked if he would run for president or vice president again, he responded: “Nope. Nope.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on November 17, 2016, 01:12:41 pm
Is Kaine the only Democrat who has explicitly ruled out a run?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 17, 2016, 01:41:20 pm
Is Kaine the only Democrat who has explicitly ruled out a run?

Among actual politicians?  Yes, I believe he's the only one.  However, Michelle Obama has also ruled out running:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/16/politics/michelle-obama-president-sxsw/index.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 17, 2016, 01:47:30 pm
Aside from Kaine's apparently removing himself from the race....

In the week+ since election day, Sanders has explicitly said that he's not ruling out a 2020 presidential campaign.  Meanwhile, Cuomo, Klobuchar, and Warren have all been asked about future presidential plans, and they all gave non-answers like "that's a long way off".


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on November 17, 2016, 01:54:48 pm
Is Kaine the only Democrat who has explicitly ruled out a run?

Among actual politicians?  Yes, I believe he's the only one.  However, Michelle Obama has also ruled out running:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/16/politics/michelle-obama-president-sxsw/index.html


Oh right, I heard about that.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 17, 2016, 01:58:05 pm
On another note, it occurs to me that Booker faces a Rand Paul problem in 2020: He's up for reelection for his Senate seat that year.  And the primary for both Senate and President is the same day.  Can he legally run for both offices at the same time?  Would he actually do so?

OTOH, the NJ primary isn't until June, and the filing deadline is early April.  Presumably he could run for president, and the nomination will most like be decided by the end of March anyway, so he would know whether he needs to drop out of the race to run for Senate or not.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on November 17, 2016, 02:04:29 pm
There probably isn't a huge risk of losing that Senate seat in New Jersey (compared to Florida, where that was considered a real risk for the GOP), so the only issue is if Booker himself wants to stay in the Senate after 2020.

This is also an issue for Coons, Franken, Merkley, Peters, Udall, Warner, Markey, Shaheen, Reed, and Durbin. Most of those people are definitely not running though I guess all of those people could theoretically be VP choices. I don't know what the laws say in all of those states.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 17, 2016, 02:07:25 pm
This is also an issue for Coons, Klobuchar, Merkley, Peters, Udall, Warner, Markey, Shaheen, Reed, and Durbin.

Klobuchar's seat isn't up in 2020.  Franken's seat is up that year.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: onejayhawk on November 17, 2016, 02:46:35 pm
Any rumblings about Cruz? The rumor I heard early on in the summer was that he was preparing to coral potential donors in preparation for a 2020 run regardless of who wins.
That's assuming he doesn't get primaried in 2018.
Yeh. Right. Tell us another funny story. Ted's a hero in Texas. Also, no one comes close to his level of organization and effort.

Given the vigor with which he pursued this primary season, 2020 is a real possibility for Cruz. I do not see the Donald running twice. The one major exception is if he gets tapped for SCOTUS.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on November 17, 2016, 04:51:50 pm
This is also an issue for Coons, Klobuchar, Merkley, Peters, Udall, Warner, Markey, Shaheen, Reed, and Durbin.

Klobuchar's seat isn't up in 2020.  Franken's seat is up that year.


Whoops, I knew that. Let me edit.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Sedona on November 17, 2016, 07:20:22 pm
Any rumblings about Cruz? The rumor I heard early on in the summer was that he was preparing to coral potential donors in preparation for a 2020 run regardless of who wins.
That's assuming he doesn't get primaried in 2018.
Yeh. Right. Tell us another funny story. Ted's a hero in Texas. Also, no one comes close to his level of organization and effort.

Given the vigor with which he pursued this primary season, 2020 is a real possibility for Cruz. I do not see the Donald running twice. The one major exception is if he gets tapped for SCOTUS.
Cruz has a negative approval rating in Texas (though still positive, but relatively bad, among Republicans), and polls show that Rick Perry would beat him by nine points if he ran in the primary.  I would still bet my money on Cruz surviving a primary challenge, but stranger things have happened (like the election we just had).


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: onejayhawk on November 17, 2016, 11:38:36 pm
Any rumblings about Cruz? The rumor I heard early on in the summer was that he was preparing to coral potential donors in preparation for a 2020 run regardless of who wins.
That's assuming he doesn't get primaried in 2018.
Yeh. Right. Tell us another funny story. Ted's a hero in Texas. Also, no one comes close to his level of organization and effort.

Given the vigor with which he pursued this primary season, 2020 is a real possibility for Cruz. I do not see the Donald running twice. The one major exception is if he gets tapped for SCOTUS.
Cruz has a negative approval rating in Texas (though still positive, but relatively bad, among Republicans), and polls show that Rick Perry would beat him by nine points if he ran in the primary.  I would still bet my money on Cruz surviving a primary challenge, but stranger things have happened (like the election we just had).
I bet that was not taken recently. Cruz' run at Trump in the primaries improved his standing significantly. Now that Trump is President-elect, Cruz can expect a higher profile in the Congress.

Perry really is a joke at this point.

J


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 18, 2016, 09:39:39 am
What are Julian Castro’s post-Obama admin. plans?

http://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Castro-has-no-immediate-plans-to-run-for-office-10605120.php

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Now, according to allies, he will likely return to San Antonio to finish an autobiography. Before Barack Obama selected him in mid-2014 to lead HUD, he had received an advance from his publisher, Little, Brown and Co. But he was prohibited at HUD from other work that yielded outside income.

His allies said he also may seek paid speaking opportunities and perhaps a part-time university teaching position.
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Clinton’s defeat opens the door for a new generation of White House aspirants in a Democratic Party that will be rethinking its appeal in the wake of startling losses Tuesday. Julián Castro, allies said, could well be aiming his sights on the 2020 presidential election.

As the story notes, Julian’s brother Juaquin is considering running for Ted Cruz’s Senate seat in 2018.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Confused Democrat on November 18, 2016, 11:42:51 am
What are Julian Castro’s post-Obama admin. plans?

http://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Castro-has-no-immediate-plans-to-run-for-office-10605120.php

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Now, according to allies, he will likely return to San Antonio to finish an autobiography. Before Barack Obama selected him in mid-2014 to lead HUD, he had received an advance from his publisher, Little, Brown and Co. But he was prohibited at HUD from other work that yielded outside income.

His allies said he also may seek paid speaking opportunities and perhaps a part-time university teaching position.
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Clinton’s defeat opens the door for a new generation of White House aspirants in a Democratic Party that will be rethinking its appeal in the wake of startling losses Tuesday. Julián Castro, allies said, could well be aiming his sights on the 2020 presidential election.

As the story notes, Julian’s brother Juaquin is considering running for Ted Cruz’s Senate seat in 2018.


I didn't believe Julian Castro was qualified to be Hillary's VP. What the hell makes him think he's qualified to be POTUS?



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 18, 2016, 02:15:40 pm
This is weird.  The South Carolina press is reporting on rumors that people are quietly urging Tim Scott to be ready to run for president in 2020 just in case this whole Donald Trump thing doesn’t work out:

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/politics-government/election/article115620113.html

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There are cloak-room style whispers in Washington these days that South Carolina’s Sen. Tim Scott is being thought of as a Republican Plan B in case the yet to be formed Trump administration doesn’t find its footing.

Scott’s office dismisses the talk as idle chit-chat, though admit they’ve been hearing such questions. But it’s now been a full week since the last presidential election ended. Washington being Washington, it’s time to get the rumors going for the 2020 election. There are experts and insiders who think this one makes a bit of sense.
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Of course, the rumor that Scott is preparing, and being encouraged to prepare, himself for the presidency follows another similar rumor: As Gov. Nikki Haley is reaching her term-limit imposed end in the state capitol in 2018, the junior senator from South Carolina could return to snaffle up the seat. The rumor goes like this: Senator Scott will return to South Carolina to run for office in 2018. U.S. Rep. Trey Gowdy will join him on the ticket as his lieutenant governor. They would be expected to win, handily. Then, if needed, Governor. Scott would launch a presidential bid from a position of considerable strength in 2020.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 18, 2016, 02:24:29 pm
There are both Cory Booker 2020 and Elizabeth Warren 2020 Facebook pages:

https://www.facebook.com/PresidentCoryBooker/
https://www.facebook.com/VoteforElizabethWarren/

Here is a picture of two people preparing to savagely attack each other on the 2020 Democratic primary debate stage:

(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15073470_1017148108396261_6398494926237236258_n.jpg?oh=811801cb4bc12e98a1d1adabfc5ecd20&oe=58C6F080)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: KingSweden on November 18, 2016, 07:46:30 pm
This is weird.  The South Carolina press is reporting on rumors that people are quietly urging Tim Scott to be ready to run for president in 2020 just in case this whole Donald Trump thing doesn’t work out:

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/politics-government/election/article115620113.html

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There are cloak-room style whispers in Washington these days that South Carolina’s Sen. Tim Scott is being thought of as a Republican Plan B in case the yet to be formed Trump administration doesn’t find its footing.

Scott’s office dismisses the talk as idle chit-chat, though admit they’ve been hearing such questions. But it’s now been a full week since the last presidential election ended. Washington being Washington, it’s time to get the rumors going for the 2020 election. There are experts and insiders who think this one makes a bit of sense.
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Of course, the rumor that Scott is preparing, and being encouraged to prepare, himself for the presidency follows another similar rumor: As Gov. Nikki Haley is reaching her term-limit imposed end in the state capitol in 2018, the junior senator from South Carolina could return to snaffle up the seat. The rumor goes like this: Senator Scott will return to South Carolina to run for office in 2018. U.S. Rep. Trey Gowdy will join him on the ticket as his lieutenant governor. They would be expected to win, handily. Then, if needed, Governor. Scott would launch a presidential bid from a position of considerable strength in 2020.


They have contingency plans already? Jesus. There'll be a 25th amendment force out at this rate within the year. I have no doubts most Republicans would not hesitate to kick Trump to the curb now that he's delivered them the Oval Office


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 19, 2016, 02:51:53 pm
Here's another picture of people preparing to tear each other's throats out on the 2020 Democratic primary debate stage in a few years:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cxo1xS7VIAADNv2.jpg)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: #TheShadowyAbyss on November 19, 2016, 10:12:03 pm
Here's another picture of people preparing to tear each other's throats out on the 2020 Democratic primary debate stage in a few years:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cxo1xS7VIAADNv2.jpg)


I can't see Harris and Booker running against each other.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 20, 2016, 10:45:22 am
Sunday morning talk show watch: Sanders on Meet the Press this morning:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEWS_SHOWS?SITE=AP

He was on Face the Nation last week.  Is he going to be a regular fixture on these shows for the duration of Trump's term?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 20, 2016, 10:52:25 am
Bevin and Cotton will be guests at Branstad's birthday bash next month. (https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/788760461286084610)

Even though Trump crushed their 2020 dreams by winning the election this year, Bevin and Cotton still showed up:

http://www.kcci.com/article/talk-of-2020-presidential-race-looms-at-governors-birthday-bash/8344231

Either:

1) They were being polite by not cancelling,
2) They're hedging their bets on Trump running again, or
3) It's never too early to start laying the groundwork for 2024.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 20, 2016, 01:32:23 pm
I posted a thread about Howard Dean saying that he currently favors Gillibrand for president in 2020.  But I figure that I should also post in this thread how her office responded:

http://www.registerstar.com/news/article_53afce3e-ade6-11e6-9e2d-770246b848ab.html

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Representatives from Gillibrand’s office said she is committed to her current role and plans to run again for the Senate in the next election.

"Sen. Gillibrand is focused on her job in the U.S. Senate and plans on running for re-election in 2018," Gillibrand spokesman Marc Brumer said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on November 20, 2016, 06:10:35 pm
That's a classic nondenial denial line. She's definitely going to consider it, but seems like someone that may defer to other candidates should certain ones get in.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Polarized Elastic Libertarian MT Treasurer on November 20, 2016, 10:31:38 pm
Here's another picture of people preparing to tear each other's throats out on the 2020 Democratic primary debate stage in a few years:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cxo1xS7VIAADNv2.jpg)


Bold prediction: One of these three will be the Democratic nominee in 2020.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: JMT on November 21, 2016, 12:08:57 am
Here's another picture of people preparing to tear each other's throats out on the 2020 Democratic primary debate stage in a few years:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cxo1xS7VIAADNv2.jpg)


I would enthusiastically vote for any of these 3 potential candidates. If I had to choose one though I'd probably pick Harris


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on November 21, 2016, 01:23:31 am
Here's another picture of people preparing to tear each other's throats out on the 2020 Democratic primary debate stage in a few years:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cxo1xS7VIAADNv2.jpg)


I would enthusiastically vote for any of these 3 potential candidates. If I had to choose one though I'd probably pick Harris

All are absolute lightweights compared to Hillary Clinton, but I'd definitely support any of them over Donald Trump.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Southern Dep. Speaker Dwarven Dragon on November 21, 2016, 01:58:58 am
Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, an actor from California, is not ruling out a (quixotic) primary challenge to Trump:

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-rock-running-for-president-2020
http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/dwayne-johnson-on-running-for-president-i-wouldnt-rule-it-out/ar-AAkhCtg?li=AA2qN5v&ocid=spartanntp


Not sure if this was posted here earlier, but Mother Jones lists 11 dems who could defeat Trump:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/11/democrats-defeat-trump-president-2020

Warren
Kaine (already out)
Klobuchar
Gillibrand
Harris
Duckworth
Booker
O'Malley
(Chris) Murphy
Hickenlooper
Michelle Obama (already out)

Some more whispering about Chris Murphy is within this long article (also mentions Julian Castro and some more obvious people): http://qz.com/836658/donald-trumps-age-how-baby-boomer-generation-x-and-millennial-presidents-would-change-the-course-of-america/

Get your Deblasio Buzz here: http://nypost.com/2016/11/12/clintons-loss-means-a-de-blasio-cuomo-2020-race/

Bustle.com: 7 Democrats who could run in 2020: https://www.bustle.com/articles/194585-7-democrats-who-could-run-for-president-in-2020-and-take-the-white-house-from-donald (Booker, Warren, (Sherrod) Brown, Gillibrand, Harris, Duckworth, (Tulsi) Gabbard)

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Third Party Stuff:

With Johnson ruling out another run for the libertarian nomination (http://krqe.com/blog/2016/11/09/gary-johnson-says-he-wont-run-for-president-again/), this article on Austin Petersen from September is worth another read: http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/why-austin-petersen-is-the-future-of-the-libertarian-party/

Reminders:

Journalist Dan Rattiner (I) declared a 2020 candidacy in 2015: http://www.danspapers.com/2015/04/hat-in-the-ring-dan-rattiner-running-for-president-in-2020

Adam Kokesh (L) declared a 2020 candidacy in 2013: http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2013/07/adam-kokesh-to-run-for-president-in-2020/





Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: LLR on November 21, 2016, 06:53:40 am
Not sure if this was posted here earlier, but Mother Jones lists 11 dems who could defeat Trump:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/11/democrats-defeat-trump-president-2020

Warren
Kaine (already out)
Klobuchar
Gillibrand
Harris
Duckworth
Booker
O'Malley
(Chris) Murphy
Hickenlooper
Michelle Obama (already out)

A list that includes Michelle Obama, Hickenlooper, and O'Malley but not Sherrod Brown is a bad list


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on November 21, 2016, 07:05:21 am
Not sure if this was posted here earlier, but Mother Jones lists 11 dems who could defeat Trump:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/11/democrats-defeat-trump-president-2020

Warren
Kaine (already out)
Klobuchar
Gillibrand
Harris
Duckworth
Booker
O'Malley
(Chris) Murphy
Hickenlooper
Michelle Obama (already out)

A list that includes Michelle Obama, Hickenlooper, and O'Malley but not Sherrod Brown is a bad list

Mother Jones has become a joke site establishment hack site.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 21, 2016, 12:32:26 pm
Not sure if this was posted here earlier, but Mother Jones lists 11 dems who could defeat Trump:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/11/democrats-defeat-trump-president-2020

Warren
Kaine (already out)
Klobuchar
Gillibrand
Harris
Duckworth
Booker
O'Malley
(Chris) Murphy
Hickenlooper
Michelle Obama (already out)

Some more whispering about Chris Murphy is within this long article (also mentions Julian Castro and some more obvious people): http://qz.com/836658/donald-trumps-age-how-baby-boomer-generation-x-and-millennial-presidents-would-change-the-course-of-america/

Get your Deblasio Buzz here: http://nypost.com/2016/11/12/clintons-loss-means-a-de-blasio-cuomo-2020-race/

Bustle.com: 7 Democrats who could run in 2020: https://www.bustle.com/articles/194585-7-democrats-who-could-run-for-president-in-2020-and-take-the-white-house-from-donald (Booker, Warren, (Sherrod) Brown, Gillibrand, Harris, Duckworth, (Tulsi) Gabbard)

There are many such articles posting speculated lists of people who might run, but I haven’t posted them unless they have news content, like “Candidate X said Y, which is why we think they might run”.  I like to separate out the news on what the candidates themselves are saying and doing from who the news media is guessing about.  E.g., in the article you linked to with whispering about Chris Murphy, or the one about “de Blasio buzz”, it was just columnists speculating, not citing things like de Blasio’s visit to Iowa last year, or anything like that.

The stuff I post in this thread (aside from the fun pictures of Senators) is: what are the prospective candidates doing and saying, and/or what are people in their inner circle saying about their ambitions?  To the extent I discuss idle speculation like “What if so-and-so runs?” it’s about how the candidates respond to such speculation.  E.g., in my earlier post, I commented on Dean “endorsing” Gillibrand only to note how Gillibrand’s office responded.

Not trying to criticize here, just clarify.  I just don’t want people to see things like “whispering about Chris Murphy” and assume that it’s a story with some actual evidence that Chris Murphy might be thinking about it, when it’s just someone name checking Murphy in a long list of Senators in the right age range.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Southern Dep. Speaker Dwarven Dragon on November 21, 2016, 07:38:42 pm
Kanye West said that while he didn't vote, if he had, he would have voted for Trump. This probably lowers the odds of him running in 2020, assuming Trump runs for reelection: Kanye West: I didn't vote but if I did, 'I would have voted for Trump'
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/18/entertainment/kanye-west-donald-trump-trnd/index.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Sorenroy on November 22, 2016, 10:10:25 am
Kanye West said that while he didn't vote, if he had, he would have voted for Trump. This probably lowers the odds of him running in 2020, assuming Trump runs for reelection: Kanye West: I didn't vote but if I did, 'I would have voted for Trump'
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/18/entertainment/kanye-west-donald-trump-trnd/index.html

But... why didn't he vote?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 22, 2016, 11:22:20 am
Politico has a story on how Warren is setting herself up as a leader of the loyal opposition to Trump:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/elizabeth-warren-democrats-liberals-231692

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More than any other high-profile Democrat, the Massachusetts senator and liberal hero has gone out of her way to appear in Washington headlines nearly every day since Nov. 8. From a series of public appearances across town to letters from her Senate office to private Capitol Hill meetings with fellow elected officials, Warren is making clear that she intends to use her brand of no-holds-barred liberalism to illuminate the party’s path ahead while it embarks on a protracted period of soul-searching.
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A large part of Warren’s push has included meeting with important Democratic constituencies to influence their conversations and use their platforms. With labor leaders cheering her on as one of their most prominent advocates, she spoke at the AFL-CIO just two days after Election Day, introduced by union chief Richard Trumka as “uniquely positioned to partner with us."
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Four days later, at a closed-doors meeting of the liberal Democracy Alliance donor network, Warren insisted that Democrats need to step up their economic appeal to everyday voters. Two days after that, she privately met with the Congressional Progressive Caucus on the Hill to talk through the election’s results and lessons.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: zorkpolitics on November 22, 2016, 08:46:30 pm
Cory Booker is in for 2020. 
Heard him on NPR today he is already taking positions far to the left of where he was when he ran for Senate 2 yrs ago. 


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on November 22, 2016, 10:17:43 pm
Cory Booker is in for 2020. 
Heard him on NPR today he is already taking positions far to the left of where he was when he ran for Senate 2 yrs ago. 

Which specific issues?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 22, 2016, 11:14:13 pm
Because she's dropped hints over the past few years indicating presidential ambition, I kind of figured that Klobuchar would run for reelection for her Senate seat in 2018, before running for prez in 2020.  However, it looks like some are speculating that she may run for governor instead:

http://www.startribune.com/last-election-barely-past-minnesota-s-next-governor-s-race-gets-going/402072125/

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At the top of that list is U.S. Sen. Amy Klobuchar, a DFLer who convincingly won two statewide races and repeatedly scores higher in public opinion polls than any other Minnesota politician.

Klobuchar’s Senate seat is also on the ballot in 2018. That leaves her in the enviable position of choosing whether to seek a third term or to jump into the governor’s race, which many DFL insiders believe she is at least considering, though she hasn’t said so publicly. Democrats in Washington are in for a rocky ride under the Trump administration and full GOP control of Congress, and a turn as a state chief executive would diversify Klobuchar’s political résumé.

“There are major issues before Congress, and the senator is focused on her job as United States senator representing the people of Minnesota,” said Justin Buoen, a political adviser to Klobuchar. But a number of possible DFL candidates are waiting to see what Klobuchar does before finalizing their own plans.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on November 23, 2016, 09:02:29 am
Hmm, I don't see her running for President in 2020 if she's just starting a first term as Governor.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 23, 2016, 09:12:12 am
Hmm, I don't see her running for President in 2020 if she's just starting a first term as Governor.

Yeah, she'd have to launch her presidential candidacy less than ~six months after being sworn in as governor.  I don't see it happening.

That said, all we really have here is rumors that she's interested in the governorship.  No idea if it's based on anything real.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on November 23, 2016, 10:45:25 am
Greg Giroux ‏@greggiroux  45m45 minutes ago
Senator-elect @KamalaHarris (D-CA) has set up a leadership PAC: Fearless for the People PAC
http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/fecimg/?_201611210300119592+0  #casen #capolitics

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cx9Jdc2WIAA70u1.jpg:large)

Doesn't necessarily mean much though.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Jackschlotter on November 23, 2016, 04:29:49 pm
I doubt it, Warren will have trouble with minorities like Clinton. Warren also will have to pull in hispanics where she has little appeal. John Bel Edwards will do a pretty good job with Southern Democrats while still being able to win over minorities with a strong VP. Warren could do the same with Castro but the ticket would be awkward with opposing ideologys. Warren only wins in places where Democrats have an assured victory.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Southern Dep. Speaker Dwarven Dragon on November 23, 2016, 05:13:44 pm
The only person I could see winning in 2020 is Warren. She can unite the Sanders wing of the party as well as the traditional "professional" wing of the party. Add in Kamala Harris for minority support and you have a very strong ticket.

Corey Booker is a stiff and should just go away. He's basically a failed DLC type candidate



Trump would defeat Warren by 20 points, Harris by 8 points. He'd defeat Sanders by 3 points. Booker would win by 7 points..


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Kalwejt on November 23, 2016, 05:16:16 pm
Trump would defeat Warren by 20 points,

lol


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Big Daddy Gonna Take Care Of Us on November 23, 2016, 05:21:02 pm
Trump would defeat Warren by 20 points,

lol
He'd beat her. Just take the zero away from Wulfric's number and it isn't that bad a post.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on November 23, 2016, 06:37:02 pm
Trump would defeat Warren by 20 points,

lol
He'd beat her. Just take the zero away from Wulfric's number and it isn't that bad a post.

If trends go in the other direction this time that could translate to a Warren victory in the electoral college.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on November 23, 2016, 06:37:51 pm
I doubt it, Warren will have trouble with minorities like Clinton. Warren also will have to pull in hispanics where she has little appeal. John Bel Edwards will do a pretty good job with Southern Democrats while still being able to win over minorities with a strong VP. Warren could do the same with Castro but the ticket would be awkward with opposing ideologys. Warren only wins in places where Democrats have an assured victory.

Welcome to the forum!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Hindsight is 2020 on November 23, 2016, 07:22:05 pm
I think Julian Castro would be the wise choice vs Trump. He is young, well spoken, and has a good record of job creation as mayor


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 24, 2016, 11:34:51 am
Greg Giroux ‏@greggiroux  45m45 minutes ago
Senator-elect @KamalaHarris (D-CA) has set up a leadership PAC: Fearless for the People PAC
http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/fecimg/?_201611210300119592+0  #casen #capolitics

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cx9Jdc2WIAA70u1.jpg:large)

Doesn't necessarily mean much though.

Speaking of PACs, it looks like on Martin O'Malley's Twitter account, he still links to the O'Say Can You See PAC that supported him in the primaries:

https://martinomalley.com

According to the FEC, it had $57,000 cash on hand remaining a the end of September:

http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/forms/C00525220/1108401/

I assume it'll start fundraising again if O'Malley decides to run again.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: JJC on November 24, 2016, 09:32:56 pm
Warren is the left's version of Ted Cruz. A firebrand who excites the base and turns everyone else away.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: lisathegreek on November 24, 2016, 09:36:20 pm
Let's run a Southerner in 2020. Focus on turning NC, GA, and FL Democratic with potential to make the other southern states remember that there is a Democratic Party. I say forget the Midwest. If they want to vote for the Dem great, but Dems need to focus on the south. The future of the party is to build a solid bi-coastal coalition and make occasional inroads in the inland south and inland north.

Republicans had a tea party purge beginning 8 years ago and it's clear the Dems need to do the same and forget old strategies that didn't work. We need to appeal to the south.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 24, 2016, 10:31:41 pm
Gillibrand  (http://pagesix.com/2016/11/24/kirsten-gillibrand-reaching-out-to-hillarys-donors/)reaching out to Hillary's donors.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on November 24, 2016, 10:42:51 pm
Let's run a Southerner in 2020. Focus on turning NC, GA, and FL Democratic with potential to make the other southern states remember that there is a Democratic Party. I say forget the Midwest. If they want to vote for the Dem great, but Dems need to focus on the south. The future of the party is to build a solid bi-coastal coalition and make occasional inroads in the inland south and inland north.

Republicans had a tea party purge beginning 8 years ago and it's clear the Dems need to do the same and forget old strategies that didn't work. We need to appeal to the south.

Which Southerner do we run, though?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 24, 2016, 11:04:11 pm
Gillibrand  (http://pagesix.com/2016/11/24/kirsten-gillibrand-reaching-out-to-hillarys-donors/)reaching out to Hillary's donors.

Interesting:

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Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand is already reaching out to top Hillary Clinton donors about the 2020 presidential race.

Sources tell us that the New York senator has been personally making calls to some of Clinton’s biggest backers to “talk about the direction of the country.”

One source said, “She isn’t directly asking donors about her chances in 2020, but it is implied.”


However, while Gillibrand has close ties to Clinton’s political network, the move hasn’t gone down well with some Clinton supporters. “Many of us are still grieving. It’s like going after the widow at a funeral.”
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If she were to run, it could set up an interesting clash of New Yorkers for the Democratic nomination. Gov. Andrew Cuomo has already made it clear he wants to make a run for the White House.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: lisathegreek on November 24, 2016, 11:27:48 pm
Let's run a Southerner in 2020. Focus on turning NC, GA, and FL Democratic with potential to make the other southern states remember that there is a Democratic Party. I say forget the Midwest. If they want to vote for the Dem great, but Dems need to focus on the south. The future of the party is to build a solid bi-coastal coalition and make occasional inroads in the inland south and inland north.

Republicans had a tea party purge beginning 8 years ago and it's clear the Dems need to do the same and forget old strategies that didn't work. We need to appeal to the south.

Which Southerner do we run, though?

Doesn't need to be somebody famous or nationally prominent. A mayor or state legislator would do. Whoever is young and fresh and will get democrats as excited as Barack Obama did in 2008. After criticizing Obama for lack of experience, Republicans have now effectively ceded that issue for a generation, and none of the democratic names currently being floated inspire me at all.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Hindsight is 2020 on November 24, 2016, 11:32:27 pm

[/quote]Doesn't need to be somebody famous or nationally prominent. A mayor or state legislator would do. Whoever is young and fresh and will get democrats as excited as Barack Obama did in 2008. After criticizing Obama for lack of experience, Republicans have now effectively ceded that issue for a generation, and none of the democratic names currently being floated inspire me at all.
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*cough* Julian Castro *cough*


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on November 24, 2016, 11:33:22 pm

Doesn't need to be somebody famous or nationally prominent. A mayor or state legislator would do. Whoever is young and fresh and will get democrats as excited as Barack Obama did in 2008. After criticizing Obama for lack of experience, Republicans have now effectively ceded that issue for a generation, and none of the democratic names currently being floated inspire me at all.
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*cough* Julian Castro *cough*
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Castro vs Trump 2020, because why not lose with a minority this time?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: lisathegreek on November 24, 2016, 11:35:47 pm
Agreed. Castro will not do. We need a great orator with an inspiring story who makes people believe anything is possible if we come together as a nation. That's not Castro. Dems need to start thinking outside of the box or we will be in minority for a long time.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Hindsight is 2020 on November 24, 2016, 11:41:56 pm
Agreed. Castro will not do. We need a great orator with an inspiring story who makes people believe anything is possible if we come together as a nation. That's not Castro. Dems need to start thinking outside of the box or we will be in minority for a long time.
A) Trump is the walking apocalypse let's not act like we need freakin FDR to beat him in 2020 if he is as bad as early signs point and B) Castro was a poor kid raised by a single mom who went on to be a successful job creating mayor in a red state during the recession and as HUD has helped fight housing discrimination against gay and trans people. I can see that selling to the base especially aganist Cheeto Mussolini


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: lisathegreek on November 24, 2016, 11:56:25 pm
Agreed. Castro will not do. We need a great orator with an inspiring story who makes people believe anything is possible if we come together as a nation. That's not Castro. Dems need to start thinking outside of the box or we will be in minority for a long time.
A) Trump is the walking apocalypse let's not act like we need freakin FDR to beat him in 2020 if he is as bad as early signs point and B) Castro was a poor kid raised by a single mom who went on to be a successful job creating mayor in a red state during the recession and as HUD has helped fight housing discrimination against gay and trans people. I can see that selling to the base especially aganist Cheeto Mussolini

Don't forget we live in a post-truth era. Reality is not reality, perception is reality. And Democrats are so disadvantaged by the electoral map (more voters, but concentrated in too few states) that we really do need an FDR who can appeal to and inspire all Americas. Hillary couldn't win with 2 million more votes. I want someone who can win by at least 5 million votes.

Cory Booker, Elizabeth Warren, Julian Castro, Amy Klobuchar, etc. aren't going to do it. We need the second coming of Barack Obama.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Hindsight is 2020 on November 25, 2016, 12:00:58 am
Agreed. Castro will not do. We need a great orator with an inspiring story who makes people believe anything is possible if we come together as a nation. That's not Castro. Dems need to start thinking outside of the box or we will be in minority for a long time.
A) Trump is the walking apocalypse let's not act like we need freakin FDR to beat him in 2020 if he is as bad as early signs point and B) Castro was a poor kid raised by a single mom who went on to be a successful job creating mayor in a red state during the recession and as HUD has helped fight housing discrimination against gay and trans people. I can see that selling to the base especially aganist Cheeto Mussolini


Don't forget we live in a post-truth era. Reality is not reality, perception is reality. And Democrats are so disadvantaged by the electoral map (more voters, but concentrated in too few states) that we really do need an FDR who can appeal to and inspire all Americas. Hillary couldn't win with 2 million more votes. I want someone who can win by at least 5 million votes.

Cory Booker, Elizabeth Warren, Julian Castro, Amy Klobuchar, etc. aren't going to do it. We need the second coming of Barack Obama.
I think your seriously over reading this election Trump barely beat a person who is under investigation by the FBI and has been at the center of 30 years worth of conspiracy theories


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: lisathegreek on November 25, 2016, 12:02:50 am
Agreed. Castro will not do. We need a great orator with an inspiring story who makes people believe anything is possible if we come together as a nation. That's not Castro. Dems need to start thinking outside of the box or we will be in minority for a long time.
A) Trump is the walking apocalypse let's not act like we need freakin FDR to beat him in 2020 if he is as bad as early signs point and B) Castro was a poor kid raised by a single mom who went on to be a successful job creating mayor in a red state during the recession and as HUD has helped fight housing discrimination against gay and trans people. I can see that selling to the base especially aganist Cheeto Mussolini


Don't forget we live in a post-truth era. Reality is not reality, perception is reality. And Democrats are so disadvantaged by the electoral map (more voters, but concentrated in too few states) that we really do need an FDR who can appeal to and inspire all Americas. Hillary couldn't win with 2 million more votes. I want someone who can win by at least 5 million votes.

Cory Booker, Elizabeth Warren, Julian Castro, Amy Klobuchar, etc. aren't going to do it. We need the second coming of Barack Obama.
I think your seriously over reading this election Trump barely beat a person who is under investigation by the FBI and has been at the center of 30 years worth of conspiracy theories

No, George W. Bush barely beat Al Gore. Donald Trump comfortably defeated Hillary and will have the advantage of incumbency in 4 years.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Hindsight is 2020 on November 25, 2016, 12:09:29 am
Agreed. Castro will not do. We need a great orator with an inspiring story who makes people believe anything is possible if we come together as a nation. That's not Castro. Dems need to start thinking outside of the box or we will be in minority for a long time.
A) Trump is the walking apocalypse let's not act like we need freakin FDR to beat him in 2020 if he is as bad as early signs point and B) Castro was a poor kid raised by a single mom who went on to be a successful job creating mayor in a red state during the recession and as HUD has helped fight housing discrimination against gay and trans people. I can see that selling to the base especially aganist Cheeto Mussolini


Don't forget we live in a post-truth era. Reality is not reality, perception is reality. And Democrats are so disadvantaged by the electoral map (more voters, but concentrated in too few states) that we really do need an FDR who can appeal to and inspire all Americas. Hillary couldn't win with 2 million more votes. I want someone who can win by at least 5 million votes.

Cory Booker, Elizabeth Warren, Julian Castro, Amy Klobuchar, etc. aren't going to do it. We need the second coming of Barack Obama.
I think your seriously over reading this election Trump barely beat a person who is under investigation by the FBI and has been at the center of 30 years worth of conspiracy theories

No, George W. Bush barely beat Al Gore. Donald Trump comfortably defeated Hillary and will have the advantage of incumbency in 4 years.
I guarantee incumbency will not be an advantage for him in 4 years the only ways he could win against someone like Castro in 2020 is either a)against all odds and science the economy is doing better than now or b) white "identity politics" really is what got him elected in which case we could have bigger problems as a nation than Trump


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 25, 2016, 09:19:30 am
Again, can we please move these lengthy debates about who the best nominee would be to other threads?  This thread is about news on the potential presidential candidates.  Nothing wrong with riffing a bit on some of that news to express your opinion on a candidate when his/her name comes up in one of the news stories, but the idea is not to initiate debates on who the nominee should be out of thin air.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 25, 2016, 01:29:59 pm
Some guy tweets “Can’t wait for your presidential run in 2020” to Booker, and his response tweet doesn’t deny it.  :P

https://twitter.com/CoryBooker/status/801991881722855424

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@CoryBooker just watched your documentary on Netflix. Awesome! Can't wait for your presidential run in 2020!

Booker’s response:

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So grateful you watched Street Fight on Netflix about my first run for major office. @marshallcurry did a great job with it. All the best.

Btw, since there’s been talk of both Cory Booker 2020 and (apparently (http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=233345.msg5400344#msg5400344)) Tim Scott 2020 recently, might as well note that Booker and Scott both visited Israel back in August:

http://njjewishnews.com/article/32023/booker-finds-common-ground-in-israel#.WDiBiaIrK1s

In recent election cycles, Israel has become a perennial foreign stop for US presidential candidates.

(http://njjewishnews.com/images/made/images/uploads/BookerWeinsteinNetanyahuAE_600_400_90.jpg)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Southern Dep. Speaker Dwarven Dragon on November 25, 2016, 02:47:54 pm
This article mentions Haley, Ernst, and Vicky Hartzler (R, MO-04) as potential 2020/24 candidates, but I personally doubt any of them would actually challenge Trump: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article113891963.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Fuzzy Bear on November 25, 2016, 03:08:08 pm
Hillary 2020

Bet on it!

No. She's done, same with Bernie and even Michelle (wasn't likely anyways)

Democrats need someone fresh and new.

I'm not convinced she's done, but I'll bet her donors are.

If, somehow, she is absolved of all blame in the torrent of Clinton scandals, she might actually run, and might actually be nominated.  She'd have a case, in that she won the popular vote, and there may be buyer's remorse from the key constituencies in WI, PA, and MI that voted for Trump.  Trump may be so bad that folks might vote for Hillary to make amends, in the vein that Jim Carrey burned his clothes and took showers after figuring out that "Einhorn is a MAAAAAAAN!" in Ace Ventura:  Pet Detective

Of course, the probability of this is next to zero.  Even if Trump turns out horribly, the "You've failed TWICE!" argument will resonate with donors, and Hillary's NOTHING without them.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Progressive on November 25, 2016, 08:46:27 pm
http://draftfranken.com/join-the-team/

DRAFT FRANKEN now has positions open for a National Finance Director, National Media Director, Social Media Coordinator, etc.

Looks like it's getting real and is probably the most sophisticated draft effort as of yet for 2020...though obviously it's crazy early


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Hindsight is 2020 on November 25, 2016, 09:01:33 pm
I like Al but he comes off as a better VP than top ticket


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Fubart Solman on November 26, 2016, 03:05:17 am
Martin Heinrich (D-NM) (Senator Dreamboat) has taken up the mantle of attacking the Dakota Access Pipeline. He could be a good candidate. Pro-environment and anti-mass surveillance, but he doesn't have a widely publicized or controversial background to my knowledge (that's what holds Sanders and Warren back). This could be a start of Heinrich raising his profile for a 2020 run. He's pretty young (he'll be 49 in 2020), he's had two terms in the House (2009-2013) and will have been in the Senate for about 8 years. He also doesn't have the stigma of being a coastal liberal.

http://krwg.org/post/heinrich-calls-president-reroute-dakota-access-pipeline (http://krwg.org/post/heinrich-calls-president-reroute-dakota-access-pipeline)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on November 26, 2016, 11:33:10 am
Martin Heinrich (D-NM) (Senator Dreamboat) has taken up the mantle of attacking the Dakota Access Pipeline. He could be a good candidate. Pro-environment and anti-mass surveillance, but he doesn't have a widely publicized or controversial background to my knowledge (that's what holds Sanders and Warren back). This could be a start of Heinrich raising his profile for a 2020 run. He's pretty young (he'll be 49 in 2020), he's had two terms in the House (2009-2013) and will have been in the Senate for about 8 years. He also doesn't have the stigma of being a coastal liberal.

http://krwg.org/post/heinrich-calls-president-reroute-dakota-access-pipeline (http://krwg.org/post/heinrich-calls-president-reroute-dakota-access-pipeline)

The main drawback of Heinrich in the primary is that he had an A rating from the NRA at one point. Even Sanders has a D-, and it was a major issue for him.

But otherwise, yeah, I think he might be our best bet actually.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Kylar on November 26, 2016, 04:23:09 pm
In my humble opinion, as a former County Chair for Ted Cruz I am going to make my statement on this whole thing:
for the Republicans Trump will run for reelection with Pence at his side, nothing will change there.
Democrats...
Sherrod Brown-Maybe, but he'll be 68 years old, need someone younger I say, but he'll likely run
Cory Booker-definitely a go for a 2020 bid, successful who knows?
Martin Heinrich-wouldn't mind it, young, smart, a possibility for sure
Amy Klobuchar-who knows? she seems indecisive
Andrew Cuomo-I rather doubt it really
Julian Castro-I hope not
Jon Tester-I would truly love, smart, moderate, decent fellow (probably other than Heinrich my favorite democrat)
Elizabeth Warren-likely going to run but how far will she get, being 71 years old?
Deval Patrick-a distinct possibility
Brian Schweitzer-possible, though not likely
Kristen Gillibrand-too much ties to Hillary, but could see her running
Martin O Malley-I think he'll try again, how well he will do? I don't know
Bill DeBlasio-please heavens no!
Kamala Harris-not likely to run until 2024


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: THE BuckeyeNut on November 26, 2016, 05:16:46 pm
Martin Heinrich (D-NM) (Senator Dreamboat) has taken up the mantle of attacking the Dakota Access Pipeline. He could be a good candidate. Pro-environment and anti-mass surveillance, but he doesn't have a widely publicized or controversial background to my knowledge (that's what holds Sanders and Warren back). This could be a start of Heinrich raising his profile for a 2020 run. He's pretty young (he'll be 49 in 2020), he's had two terms in the House (2009-2013) and will have been in the Senate for about 8 years. He also doesn't have the stigma of being a coastal liberal.

http://krwg.org/post/heinrich-calls-president-reroute-dakota-access-pipeline (http://krwg.org/post/heinrich-calls-president-reroute-dakota-access-pipeline)

The main drawback of Heinrich in the primary is that he had an A rating from the NRA at one point. Even Sanders has a D-, and it was a major issue for him.

But otherwise, yeah, I think he might be our best bet actually.

What he has at present is what will matter. Sanders used to have a very high rating. But it just goes to show the NRA has become another political hack group in the past 6-8 years.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 26, 2016, 05:48:00 pm
Because she's dropped hints over the past few years indicating presidential ambition, I kind of figured that Klobuchar would run for reelection for her Senate seat in 2018, before running for prez in 2020.  However, it looks like some are speculating that she may run for governor instead:

http://www.startribune.com/last-election-barely-past-minnesota-s-next-governor-s-race-gets-going/402072125/

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At the top of that list is U.S. Sen. Amy Klobuchar, a DFLer who convincingly won two statewide races and repeatedly scores higher in public opinion polls than any other Minnesota politician.

Klobuchar’s Senate seat is also on the ballot in 2018. That leaves her in the enviable position of choosing whether to seek a third term or to jump into the governor’s race, which many DFL insiders believe she is at least considering, though she hasn’t said so publicly. Democrats in Washington are in for a rocky ride under the Trump administration and full GOP control of Congress, and a turn as a state chief executive would diversify Klobuchar’s political résumé.

“There are major issues before Congress, and the senator is focused on her job as United States senator representing the people of Minnesota,” said Justin Buoen, a political adviser to Klobuchar. But a number of possible DFL candidates are waiting to see what Klobuchar does before finalizing their own plans.


Followup to this: Like I said, I'm assuming that if she runs for governor, it means she's not planning to run for president in 2020.  That said, being elected governor might increase her chances of being on the 2020 ticket as VP.  If the Dems nominate a man for prez, then he might feel compelled to pick a woman as his running mate.  And there might be a political calculation to choose a woman from the Midwest rather than from the coasts.  There are only so many such options available, and if Klobuchar could add executive experience to her legislative experience, that could give her an advantage.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: reform22 on November 26, 2016, 06:48:58 pm
Trump will be only one-term. He's 70 years old now.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: American2020 on November 26, 2016, 08:07:36 pm
I'm thinking about a potential young candidate: Tim Ryan from Ohio

he could pick Elizabeth Warren, Tammy Duckworth, Amy Klobushar or whoever else in his ticket.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 27, 2016, 10:29:51 am
Sunday morning talk show watch: Sanders on Meet the Press this morning:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEWS_SHOWS?SITE=AP

He was on Face the Nation last week.  Is he going to be a regular fixture on these shows for the duration of Trump's term?


Update for this week: Sanders on both This Week and State of the Union.  Yes, I guess he is going to be on the Sunday shows every week.  None of the other 2020 Dems are on this week or last.  Cruz and Rubio are both on the Sunday shows this week though, but I guess they're more like laying the groundwork for 2024.  (Seriously though, I assume they're on in large part because of Castro.)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 27, 2016, 01:41:25 pm
Politico has a story about all the Republican presidential prospects who thought they’d be gearing up for 2020, but are now waiting until 2024 because of Trump’s win:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-republicans-cruz-rubio-231717

They mention a New Hampshire trip taken by Ernst shortly before the election that I hadn’t noticed btw.  But anyway, I don’t see Ernst challenging Trump for the nomination, so I guess that belongs in the future “Who is running in 2024?” thread.  As for the others:

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Cruz appeared almost certain to run in 2020 if Trump lost, Rubio only slightly less so as he deflected questions about whether he would serve a full six-year term. Each senator had built early-state political operations that could have been quickly activated again for a repeat White House run.

Now, it's wait and see for them like everyone else.
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Though he won’t say it, Cruz’s skeptical stance could position him to run in 2020 if Trump’s first term is seen as a failure, particularly among staunch conservatives who preferred Cruz to begin with. But he added that he won't just be a bystander: He says he is “committed to doing anything I can to work with the new administration” to repeal Obamacare and cut regulations.
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[Rand] Paul is taking a different approach, publicly threatening to scuttle a nomination of John Bolton or Rudy Giuliani for secretary of state. Though he’s dialed back his previous description of Trump as a “fake conservative,” Paul is making clear he has no plans of laying down for a Republican president.

“I’ll be the same person I was under President Obama. I won’t change at all,” Paul said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 27, 2016, 03:49:10 pm
For some strange reason, a reporter asked Rep. Joe Kennedy if he was interested in running for president:

http://wpri.com/2016/11/19/congressman-kennedy-trump-should-work-to-unify-america/

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As for Kennedy himself, he laughed off a question on whether he would consider a presidential run in 2020. Kennedy won re-election earlier this month with 70 percent of the vote, and will start his third term in January.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Fubart Solman on November 27, 2016, 06:52:03 pm
For some strange reason, a reporter asked Rep. Joe Kennedy if he was interested in running for president:

http://wpri.com/2016/11/19/congressman-kennedy-trump-should-work-to-unify-america/

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As for Kennedy himself, he laughed off a question on whether he would consider a presidential run in 2020. Kennedy won re-election earlier this month with 70 percent of the vote, and will start his third term in January.


He's a Kennedy. That's why they asked. He'd be someone to watch for higher office in MA though. Maybe Gov in 2018. Baker is pretty moderate and popular from what I recall. Ed Markey is up in 2020; I'm guessing Markey has one more term in him. Warren is up in 2018 and I'm pretty damn sure that she'll be running. Kennedy is stuck for now. Governor would be the easiest route since I assume that he won't be primarying anyone. So, it's highly doubtful that he runs for Pres in 2020.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 27, 2016, 06:55:50 pm
Under the category of “I wasn’t really paying attention to the Dem. 2020 primary implications at the time, but with Trump winning this is suddenly relevant”…..looks like Franken, Klobuchar, Gillibrand, and Warren all did some campaigning for Clinton and/or Hassan in New Hampshire during the fall campaign:

http://www.thedartmouth.com/article/2016/10/hassan-kuster-gillibrand-and-britton-advocate-for-clinton
https://www.minnpost.com/politics-policy/2016/10/no-re-election-line-franken-and-klobuchar-step-party
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/09/24/elizabeth-warren-rallies-new-hampshire-for-clinton-and-hassan/EFfG16UkVOjTCoV3gWuDOK/story.html

Franken also used his PAC to give $ to Dem. candidates nationwide:

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And, as we’ve noted earlier this year, Franken — through his Midwest Values PAC — has been exceedingly generous to fellow Democrats. He has distributed over $230,000 to 24 Senate candidates, along with $104,000 to 18 House candidates, including seven Minnesotans.

As noted way earlier in this thread, Gillibrand and Klobuchar also campaigned for Clinton in Iowa shortly before the caucuses back at the beginning of the year, as did Booker and Castro, among others.

Booker also campaigned for Clinton in NH before the primary there:

http://www.wmur.com/article/new-jersey-senator-campaigns-for-clinton-in-new-hampshire-1/5206715

Then he talked to the NH delegation at the DNC, and did an interview about his NH visits, saying that he’d “fallen in love” with the state:

http://www.nh1.com/news/booker-tells-nh1-news-nh-is-a-place-that-i-ve-now-fallen-in-love-with-/

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“I really hope so. I’m literally going to do what the Clinton campaign tells me what to do. If they want me to go to New Hampshire, it’s a place that I’ve now fallen in love with, so I hope to come back,” Booker added.

Booker was also asked if he’ll return to New Hampshire in the 2020 or 2024 cycles to campaign for his own White House bid.

“Well I tell you what. You’re going to see me no matter what. It’s a tradition now. God knows what the future holds but I know I’m going to keep fighting for Democrats,” Booker answered.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 27, 2016, 08:40:41 pm
Addendum to the previous message: Looks like O'Malley also campaigned for Clinton in both Iowa and New Hampshire over the summer:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/blog/bal-martin-o-malley-is-headed-back-to-iowa-for-hillary-clinton-20160622-story.html

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/blog/bal-martin-o-malley-to-campaign-for-clinton-in-pennsylvania-20160715-story.html

And Booker campaigned for Clinton in the South Carolina primary:

http://www.gettyimages.com/event/presidential-candidate-hillary-clinton-holds-south-carolina-town-hall-events-606998899?#senator-cory-booker-a-democrat-from-new-jersey-speaks-during-a-town-picture-id512312102

So this year so far, we have the following early state visits:

Booker: IA, NH, & SC
Julian Castro: IA (when he was in the running for VP)
de Blasio: IA
Franken: NH
Gillibrand: IA & NH
Kaine: IA, NH, & SC (but he was first running for VP, and then the VP nominee, so what do you expect?)
Klobuchar: IA & NH
O’Malley: IA & NH (not just when he was running for president himself, but during the GE campaign for Clinton)
Sanders: IA & NH (not just when he was running for president himself, but during the GE campaign for Clinton)
Warren: NH

Then at the DNC over the summer, we had:

Booker: spoke to the IA and NH delegations
Joaquin Castro: spoke to the IA and SC delegations
Julian Castro: spoke to the IA delegation
Klobuchar: spoke to the IA and SC delegations
O’Malley: spoke to the IA delegation
Sanders: spoke to the IA delegation


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: / on November 27, 2016, 08:44:17 pm
^Sanders campaigned for Clinton in Iowa and New Hampshire during the general election as well.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 27, 2016, 08:49:23 pm
^Sanders campaigned for Clinton in Iowa and New Hampshire during the general election as well.

OK, added that.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 28, 2016, 09:30:26 am
Maria Comella, a former Christie aide (and operative in previous Republican presidential campaigns) who ended up backing Clinton over Trump this year, has gone to work for Cuomo:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/christie-aide-advising-cuomo-article-1.2888935

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A long-time Republican player, Comella made headlines after breaking with Christie by publicly supporting Democrat Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump.

She was a top communications and policy advisor to Christie in the governor’s office and for his failed 2016 presidential campaign. She previously worked on presidential campaigns for George W. Bush, Sarah Palin, and Rudy Giuliani.

Her hiring by Cuomo has raised eyebrows. Cuomo has been criticized by some fellow Dems of being too close to Republicans, particularly in the state Senate. He lured two top aides away from the state Senate Republicans this past year and in 2014  hired veteran GOP operative Susan Del Percio, who has since left the administration.

“I don’t know what he is,” said one Dem of Cuomo.

Cuomo has been mentioned as a potential 2020 Democratic presidential candidate and it's likely Comella and her knowledge of national politics is viewed as a plus.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 28, 2016, 09:59:34 am
Fournier says Clinton is keeping her options open. (https://twitter.com/ron_fournier/status/803189481545367552)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on November 28, 2016, 11:21:56 am
Fournier says Clinton is keeping her options open. (https://twitter.com/ron_fournier/status/803189481545367552)

Lol sure. Also, it's not fair at all to say Clinton is the one raising doubts about the election's legitimacy.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Vega on November 28, 2016, 11:29:52 am
Fournier says Clinton is keeping her options open. (https://twitter.com/ron_fournier/status/803189481545367552)

Reminds me of Kerry in 2008 if true.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 28, 2016, 11:54:15 am
Fournier says Clinton is keeping her options open. (https://twitter.com/ron_fournier/status/803189481545367552)

Reminds me of Kerry in 2008 if true.

Now she just needs to make a botched joke about being stuck in Iraq.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Fusionmunster on November 28, 2016, 02:21:42 pm
I guess they could go the Grover Clevland route but im not sure how receptive the party will be to her in 2020.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on November 28, 2016, 02:40:14 pm
I guess they could go the Grover Clevland route but im not sure how receptive the party will be to her in 2020.

That would be the Adlai Stevenson route. The Grover Cleveland route would be nominating Jimmy Carter.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Fusionmunster on November 28, 2016, 02:47:12 pm
I guess they could go the Grover Clevland route but im not sure how receptive the party will be to her in 2020.

That would be the Adlai Stevenson route. The Grover Cleveland route would be nominating Jimmy Carter.

It would be the Stevenson route in the sense that she didnt win, but the Cleveland route in the sense that she won the popular vote and ran again.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on November 28, 2016, 02:48:32 pm
I guess they could go the Grover Clevland route but im not sure how receptive the party will be to her in 2020.

That would be the Adlai Stevenson route. The Grover Cleveland route would be nominating Jimmy Carter.

It would be the Stevenson route in the sense that she didnt win, but the Cleveland route in the sense that she won the popular vote and ran again.

I guess, but Cleveland was actually President before.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 29, 2016, 09:32:13 am
Another item from years ago that's worth looking at again, now that Trump's victory means an open Dem. primary contest in 2020: Deval Patrick said in 2014 that he wasn't going to run for president in 2016, but wouldn't rule out running for national office at some later date:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2014/02/23/governor-patrick-says-maybe-presidential-run-after-election/vGG5tmuFRE7q2nbduEwrxL/story.html

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“I’d like to have another opportunity to serve. I believe in service. I enjoy it,” the governor said. “I also like coming and going, you know, because I think that my private-sector life has contributed to how I think about public-sector challenges and what I do in the public sector.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 29, 2016, 10:08:12 am
There are both Cory Booker 2020 and Elizabeth Warren 2020 Facebook pages:

https://www.facebook.com/PresidentCoryBooker/
https://www.facebook.com/VoteforElizabethWarren/


Looks like this page is actually more active than either of those two:

https://www.facebook.com/tulsi2020/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Progressive on November 29, 2016, 10:20:51 am
There are both Cory Booker 2020 and Elizabeth Warren 2020 Facebook pages:

https://www.facebook.com/PresidentCoryBooker/
https://www.facebook.com/VoteforElizabethWarren/


Looks like this page is actually more active than either of those two:

https://www.facebook.com/tulsi2020/


The FB page "Run Tulsi Run" is extremely active. Many of the commenters are anti-Hillary, pro-Bernie, and even pro-Trump. I have to admit that I like Gabbard but it is a really, really oddball mix on that page.

Are any of these actually associated with a PAC or with a broader movement?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 29, 2016, 10:42:38 am
There are both Cory Booker 2020 and Elizabeth Warren 2020 Facebook pages:

https://www.facebook.com/PresidentCoryBooker/
https://www.facebook.com/VoteforElizabethWarren/


Looks like this page is actually more active than either of those two:

https://www.facebook.com/tulsi2020/


The FB page "Run Tulsi Run" is extremely active. Many of the commenters are anti-Hillary, pro-Bernie, and even pro-Trump. I have to admit that I like Gabbard but it is a really, really oddball mix on that page.

Are any of these actually associated with a PAC or with a broader movement?

No, these are just freelancers, AFAIK.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 29, 2016, 10:50:11 pm
Though Kaine has said he’s not running for prez in 2020, it’s too early for us to take such denials to the bank.  So it’s worth flagging this:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/tim-kaine-california-fundraisers-231977

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Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine, Hillary Clinton’s running mate, is hosting a pair of receptions in California this week with top fundraisers to the Democratic nominee’s campaign to thank them for their contributions.

“Hillary and Tim are grateful for your support of their campaign and he looks forward to thanking you in person on December 2nd,” reads the invitation to Friday’s San Francisco event, which will be held at the home of former Ambassador Eleni Kounalakis.

Kaine will also headline a Los Angeles event during his California swing.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 30, 2016, 12:11:23 pm
Apparently, there are multiple "Draft Michelle Obama" PACs out there now:

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/307902-ready-for-michelle-pacs-urge-2020-run

Meanwhile, Barack says she's never going to run (reiterating her own previous comments on the matter):

http://www.theroot.com/articles/news/2016/11/president-obama-michelle-will-never-run-for-office/

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“Michelle will never run for office,” he said in the candid interview that hit newsstands Tuesday.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 30, 2016, 12:36:26 pm
Latest on Julian Castro:

http://www.expressnews.com/news/news_columnists/gilbert_garcia/article/Castro-in-holding-pattern-while-rumors-swirl-10643379.php

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Washington friends have encouraged him to shoot for the moon and consider a presidential run in 2020. On the other end of the spectrum, some Castro associates privately have floated the possibility of him making a bid for Bexar County judge in 2018.
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The county judge scenario is based on the premise that Castro’s route to higher office will be a long, slow one, and he needs to stay in the game while patiently waiting for this blood-red state to take on a lavender hue. By this theory, after a couple of terms as county judge, he’d only be 52, and might face a more sympathetic climate for a gubernatorial run.

An alternate strategy, which some DC Democrats want Castro to consider, is the go-big approach. They have urged him to sit out the 2018 Texas election cycle and prepare to launch a 2020 campaign for president.

The theory behind this is that the rules of engagement have changed for presidential elections. The triumph of Trump, a man with no governmental experience and minimal foreign-policy chops, means that Castro’s résumé — which includes two-and-a-half years at HUD, five years as S.A. mayor and four years as a councilman — would not be considered prohibitively thin in 2020.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Hindsight is 2020 on November 30, 2016, 12:50:06 pm
Latest on Julian Castro:

http://www.expressnews.com/news/news_columnists/gilbert_garcia/article/Castro-in-holding-pattern-while-rumors-swirl-10643379.php

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Washington friends have encouraged him to shoot for the moon and consider a presidential run in 2020. On the other end of the spectrum, some Castro associates privately have floated the possibility of him making a bid for Bexar County judge in 2018.
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The county judge scenario is based on the premise that Castro’s route to higher office will be a long, slow one, and he needs to stay in the game while patiently waiting for this blood-red state to take on a lavender hue. By this theory, after a couple of terms as county judge, he’d only be 52, and might face a more sympathetic climate for a gubernatorial run.

An alternate strategy, which some DC Democrats want Castro to consider, is the go-big approach. They have urged him to sit out the 2018 Texas election cycle and prepare to launch a 2020 campaign for president.

The theory behind this is that the rules of engagement have changed for presidential elections. The triumph of Trump, a man with no governmental experience and minimal foreign-policy chops, means that Castro’s résumé — which includes two-and-a-half years at HUD, five years as S.A. mayor and four years as a councilman — would not be considered prohibitively thin in 2020.

Im with the go big guys Castro I think could be the perfect counter to Trump. He is young, came from a poor background, and as the article pointed out has WAY more experience prior to office than the man he would run against


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 30, 2016, 01:32:49 pm
Mark Warner says he is not considering a 2020 presidential run:

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/11/30/mark-warner-rules-out-2020-white-house-run-window-is-probably-shut/

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Sen. Mark Warner won’t run for president, the Virginia Democrat told The Wall Street Journal Wednesday.

Mr. Warner, who as Virginia’s governor in 2006 laid groundwork for a potential 2008 presidential campaign, including visits to New Hampshire, said the time for him to be a national candidate has passed and he is not considering a White House campaign in 2020.

“I think that window is probably shut,” Mr. Warner said in a discussion with Journal reporters and editors.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on November 30, 2016, 04:04:37 pm
Gabriel Debenedetti ‏@gdebenedetti  3m3 minutes ago
Hard not to read into it a LITTLE when ambitious pols go to Iowa. Jason Kander→Des Moines for the Progress Iowa holiday party next month.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Kingpoleon on November 30, 2016, 04:39:18 pm
If Joaquin Castro runs for Mayor, or becomes the VP nominee, couldn't Julian Castro run for Joaquin's House seat?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Progressive on November 30, 2016, 05:03:01 pm
Gabriel Debenedetti ‏@gdebenedetti  3m3 minutes ago
Hard not to read into it a LITTLE when ambitious pols go to Iowa. Jason Kander→Des Moines for the Progress Iowa holiday party next month.

Yeah but he's obviously NOT running for prez. So what do you think it is? DNC Chair?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 30, 2016, 05:13:00 pm
Gabriel Debenedetti ‏@gdebenedetti  3m3 minutes ago
Hard not to read into it a LITTLE when ambitious pols go to Iowa. Jason Kander→Des Moines for the Progress Iowa holiday party next month.

Yeah but he's obviously NOT running for prez. So what do you think it is? DNC Chair?

Not sure why a trip to Iowa would help one get elected DNC Chair.  Maybe he is hoping to run for prez, but in 2024 or 2028, after he wins some other office first.  Never too early to start laying the groundwork for 2028.  :P


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: LLR on December 01, 2016, 07:01:53 am
There are both Cory Booker 2020 and Elizabeth Warren 2020 Facebook pages:

https://www.facebook.com/PresidentCoryBooker/
https://www.facebook.com/VoteforElizabethWarren/


Looks like this page is actually more active than either of those two:

https://www.facebook.com/tulsi2020/


The FB page "Run Tulsi Run" is extremely active. Many of the commenters are anti-Hillary, pro-Bernie, and even pro-Trump. I have to admit that I like Gabbard but it is a really, really oddball mix on that page.

Are any of these actually associated with a PAC or with a broader movement?

That's what happens when you get an Islamophobic Blue Dog from a deep (Atlas) red state


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Progressive on December 01, 2016, 12:35:00 pm
Rep. Xavier Becerra will be appointed California Attorney General by Gov. Jerry Brown. Takes him out of Washington and probably forecloses presidential ambitions for 2020...I've always thought he had them.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Southern Dep. Speaker Dwarven Dragon on December 01, 2016, 12:43:13 pm
Gabriel Debenedetti ‏@gdebenedetti  3m3 minutes ago
Hard not to read into it a LITTLE when ambitious pols go to Iowa. Jason Kander→Des Moines for the Progress Iowa holiday party next month.

Yeah but he's obviously NOT running for prez. So what do you think it is? DNC Chair?

Not sure why a trip to Iowa would help one get elected DNC Chair.  Maybe he is hoping to run for prez, but in 2024 or 2028, after he wins some other office first.  Never too early to start laying the groundwork for 2028.  :P


He can try, but it's not like the country will ever want an ultra-partisan dem like him.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 01, 2016, 03:21:57 pm
Franken says he will not run for president in 2020:

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/sen-al-franken-rejects-2020-presidential-run-exclusive-221600004.html

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The office of the “Saturday Night Live” veteran-turned-Minnesota senator ruled out a presidential run in response to the creation of a Super PAC, Draft Al Franken 2020. It drew attention from the congressional newspaper The Hill, among other outlets.

“Sen. Franken is not going to run for President in 2020,” Franken’s office said in a statement. “He will, however, spend the next several years fighting on behalf of Minnesota families — working on issues like income inequality, education, college affordability, health care, equal rights, and on behalf of consumers and small businesses.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Hindsight is 2020 on December 01, 2016, 03:48:47 pm
Franken says he will not run for president in 2020:

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/sen-al-franken-rejects-2020-presidential-run-exclusive-221600004.html

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The office of the “Saturday Night Live” veteran-turned-Minnesota senator ruled out a presidential run in response to the creation of a Super PAC, Draft Al Franken 2020. It drew attention from the congressional newspaper The Hill, among other outlets.

“Sen. Franken is not going to run for President in 2020,” Franken’s office said in a statement. “He will, however, spend the next several years fighting on behalf of Minnesota families — working on issues like income inequality, education, college affordability, health care, equal rights, and on behalf of consumers and small businesses.”

He would make a good vp for someone like Castro or Booker


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: LLR on December 01, 2016, 04:07:28 pm
Franken says he will not run for president in 2020:

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/sen-al-franken-rejects-2020-presidential-run-exclusive-221600004.html

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The office of the “Saturday Night Live” veteran-turned-Minnesota senator ruled out a presidential run in response to the creation of a Super PAC, Draft Al Franken 2020. It drew attention from the congressional newspaper The Hill, among other outlets.

“Sen. Franken is not going to run for President in 2020,” Franken’s office said in a statement. “He will, however, spend the next several years fighting on behalf of Minnesota families — working on issues like income inequality, education, college affordability, health care, equal rights, and on behalf of consumers and small businesses.”


NOOOOOOO


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Kingpoleon on December 01, 2016, 05:08:09 pm
Franken says he will not run for president in 2020:

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/sen-al-franken-rejects-2020-presidential-run-exclusive-221600004.html

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The office of the “Saturday Night Live” veteran-turned-Minnesota senator ruled out a presidential run in response to the creation of a Super PAC, Draft Al Franken 2020. It drew attention from the congressional newspaper The Hill, among other outlets.

“Sen. Franken is not going to run for President in 2020,” Franken’s office said in a statement. “He will, however, spend the next several years fighting on behalf of Minnesota families — working on issues like income inequality, education, college affordability, health care, equal rights, and on behalf of consumers and small businesses.”

I will continue to say I can't believe he would rule it out four years out. If anyone would get my vote who is a progressive, it would be him.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Pennsylvania Deplorable on December 01, 2016, 06:24:41 pm
Tulsi Gabbard is too young to run in 2020. She could be a good candidate for the democrats in 2024 if they lose in 2020. I think she could unite the far-left Bernie supporters with moderates for a national coalition, unlike an Elizabeth Warren or a Tim Kaine. The democrats' best chance in 2020 is probably a moderate governor like Bullock (D-MT), especially against Trump. If the GOP nominates an establishment candidate like Paul Ryan, they'd be fine with a left-wing anti-establishment pick. Keep in mind that if the GOP isn't renominating Trump, it probably means republicans are in turmoil and going to lose no matter what.

I'm still hoping that Trump will pick Tulsi for secretary of state. On matter like opposing regime change and favoring working relations with Russia, they are quite similar (unlike war hawk Romney who wants to bring back the Cold War). She also acknowledges that we are at war with ISLAMIC terrorists and has criticized her party for failing to use the aforementioned word. Might not play well with some on the left, but four years as secretary of state could give her good experience to base her candidacy off of (assuming they aren't filled with disaster and scandal like Hillary's were).


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Solopop on December 01, 2016, 09:49:09 pm
Hillary is going to run again. Bookmark me.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: BaldEagle1991 on December 01, 2016, 09:55:01 pm
Hillary is going to run again. Bookmark me.


If she ever does, her slogan should be "I told you so".


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Kingpoleon on December 01, 2016, 10:04:25 pm
Franken says he will not run for president in 2020:

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/sen-al-franken-rejects-2020-presidential-run-exclusive-221600004.html

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The office of the “Saturday Night Live” veteran-turned-Minnesota senator ruled out a presidential run in response to the creation of a Super PAC, Draft Al Franken 2020. It drew attention from the congressional newspaper The Hill, among other outlets.

“Sen. Franken is not going to run for President in 2020,” Franken’s office said in a statement. “He will, however, spend the next several years fighting on behalf of Minnesota families — working on issues like income inequality, education, college affordability, health care, equal rights, and on behalf of consumers and small businesses.”

I will continue to say I can't believe he would rule it out four years out. If anyone would get my vote who is a progressive, it would be him.

Requoting this so it isn't missed.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on December 02, 2016, 08:05:46 am
If anyone thinks that that Franken statement is definitive, just remember:

"I can unequivocally say I will not be running for national office in four years"
-Barack Obama, 2004


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Crumpets on December 02, 2016, 02:50:16 pm
Lots of candidates use the loophole of saying they are "not running for president" meaning they will focus on their current job and helping their constituents... until such time that they run for president three years down the road.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 02, 2016, 03:00:17 pm
Lots of candidates use the loophole of saying they are "not running for president" meaning they will focus on their current job and helping their constituents... until such time that they run for president three years down the road.

In this particular statement though, Franken's office doesn't just say that he's "not running for president".  It says he's not going to run in 2020 (so they cover the future tense).  Compare that to the recent comments by Cuomo, Gillibrand, and Warren:

http://www.registerstar.com/news/article_53afce3e-ade6-11e6-9e2d-770246b848ab.html

Representatives from Gillibrand’s office said she is committed to her current role and plans to run again for the Senate in the next election.

"Sen. Gillibrand is focused on her job in the U.S. Senate and plans on running for re-election in 2018," Gillibrand spokesman Marc Brumer said.

Both Cuomo and Warren are asked about 2020:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/which-democrats-could-challenge-donald-trump-in-2020-presidentia/

Cuomo

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Asked on Wednesday about a possible role in the 2020 presidential race, Mr Cuomo, 58, said: “I see a role for myself as governor of New York.”

Warren

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When asked who she would choose as a running mate for 2020, the mother-of-two laughed and deflected. “That is a long way off,” she said. “We don’t have energy to waste on that.”


In those cases, they're just deflecting the question.  Not even making the pretense of making a denial of interest in running.  Whereas the Franken statement is more of a real denial.

That's not to say that the Franken statement is the last word on Franken 2020.  It's way too early to take that as the last word.  (E.g., Obama gave a real denial on 2008 as well, and then flip-flopped on it.)  But in general, the politicians who are already playing the game of "non-denials" are the ones who tend to be most likely to run.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 02, 2016, 03:27:31 pm
Does anyone know if it's largely just supporters of the winning party who tend to go to all the "inaugural balls" in DC on presidential inauguration day?

I ask because if these things tend to be bipartisan, then I'm wondering if any of the 2020 Dems will go to this (Iowa's inauguration party in DC):

http://www.iowasociety.com/inauguration-2017/
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/first-in-the-nation-inauguration-celebration-tickets-29791374804?aff=erelexpmlt

In 2013, both Biden and Klobuchar went to it, for example.  Neither of them ended up running in 2016, of course, but they were both thinking about it at the time.  But if it's going to be attended only by Republicans celebrating the Trump victory this time, then I guess it's a moot point.  Though in that case, I guess if any Republican VIPs show up, it's a sign that they're thinking about primarying Trump in four years.  :P


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 02, 2016, 11:47:43 pm
Doesn't look like any of the 2020 Dems will be on the Sunday morning talk shows this week:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEWS_SHOWS?SITE=AP


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 03, 2016, 10:13:22 am
Another Gillibrand non-denial (this one from Gillibrand herself rather than a spokesman):

http://wnyt.com/news/gillibrand-mattis-regional-food-bank-president-2020/4333883/

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A recent Washington Post article had Gillibrand on the short-list for Democrats who might run for president in 2020.

When asked if that was a possibility Gillibrand responded, "I am so excited to run for re-election in 2018 and I love my job as Senator."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 03, 2016, 10:22:31 am
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/gov-cuomo-seek-reelection-run-president-article-1.2874698

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Even as he’s already been mentioned as a possible Democratic presidential candidate for 2020, Gov. Cuomo Tuesday said he’s focused strictly on his state job.

While Cuomo didn’t specifically rule out a run for President when asked about his plans for 2020 during an appearance in Rochester, he said his plan is to run for reelection as governor in 2018.


Revisiting this non-denial denial from two weeks ago, I guess this is the exact wording:

http://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2016/11/asked-about-2020-cuomo-says-run-in-2018-107374

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“I’m doing the best job I can as governor. I’m up in two years and I’m planning to run for re-election in two years,” Cuomo said. “We have a lot of good stuff going on and it won’t all be finished in two years. A lot of the projects that we’ve undertaken are really massive, frankly — redoing airports, redoing bridges, tackling the whole upstate economy. So we’re making a lot of progress, but we have more to do and I want to finish doing what I told the people of this state that I was going to do. So I plan to run for re-election and that’s it.

"I plan to run for reelection and that's it" seems to have been enough for Wikipedia to say that Cuomo has already declined to run for prez in 2020.  But I don't know.  Reading that answer as a whole, it sounds like a classic non-denial denial to me.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: / on December 03, 2016, 10:26:12 am
^Yeah, I wouldn't consider that a denial.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: henster on December 05, 2016, 01:59:45 am
If Tulsi Gabbard were Senator Gabbard then she'd be a very strong contender for 2020, unfortunately she seems boxed in Hawaii with nowhere to go. Abercrombie losing in 2014 was probably the worst thing for her career considering she could've ran for Gov when he termed out. Hirono and Schatz aren't going anywhere so she is stuck.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 05, 2016, 07:04:21 pm
Biden might run. https://twitter.com/KellyO/status/805923064382898177


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Progressive on December 05, 2016, 07:36:56 pm
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/05/joe-biden-predicts-he-will-run-for-president-in-2020-adds-that-he-is-not-yet-committed.html

The story on Biden


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 05, 2016, 07:54:21 pm
Biden might run. https://twitter.com/KellyO/status/805923064382898177

If you take that quote at face value, then he's already announced his candidacy.  :P


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Kingpoleon on December 05, 2016, 07:55:47 pm
Biden is the only person Julian Castro would make sense for.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Chief Justice Keef on December 05, 2016, 08:59:08 pm
If Tulsi Gabbard were Senator Gabbard then she'd be a very strong contender for 2020, unfortunately she seems boxed in Hawaii with nowhere to go. Abercrombie losing in 2014 was probably the worst thing for her career considering she could've ran for Gov when he termed out. Hirono and Schatz aren't going anywhere so she is stuck.

Gabbard is still incredibly young, so I think a 2020 presidential run would be an unwise career move for her. If Hirono decides to retire in 2024, she could easily win the Senate seat and she'd only be 43, or she can make a run for the governor race in 2022 when Ige finishes his second term.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Chief Justice Keef on December 05, 2016, 09:16:01 pm
Biden might run. https://twitter.com/KellyO/status/805923064382898177

Eh, maybe. I'm not as enthused for a Biden run as I was for 2016, but I could be convinced to support his candidacy.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 05, 2016, 09:18:59 pm
A couple of pages ago in this thread, I noted how Booker, Gillibrand, and Klobuchar sneakily all did some campaigning in both Iowa and New Hampshire this past year either for Clinton or for other Democratic candidates.  Well, if we’re now going to take Joe Biden 2020 as a serious topic of conversation, I just tried searching for the places where he campaigned for Clinton this year.  One early primary/caucus state he campaigned in was Nevada:

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/joe-biden-campaigns-hillary-clinton-nevada-candidates-during-las-vegas

Otherwise, he was stumping for Clinton in FL, NC, OH, PA, and WI this fall.  No Iowa or New Hampshire that I could find.  But I just did a quick Google search, so maybe it’s there, and I just didn’t find it.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Young Conservative on December 05, 2016, 11:08:21 pm
I keep wondering why James Lankford is never talked about for the Republican nom? Can anyone explain?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Hindsight is 2020 on December 05, 2016, 11:31:04 pm
Now that Ben is taking over HUD it should be watched closely as any story of HUD doing worse or better than now will be the fueling decision for Julian Castro


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Fmr. Rep. Illiniwek on December 05, 2016, 11:59:42 pm
I love you Biden, but don't p*ss around with this now. You won't run in 2020, but you probably should have run this year. I love you, and you've been great, but now its time to ride off into (what is hopefully a fun and amusing) retirement.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on December 06, 2016, 06:19:09 am
Biden might run. https://twitter.com/KellyO/status/805923064382898177

It'd be helpful to hear audio of that, but it seems like typical Biden irony.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 06, 2016, 12:26:22 pm
I keep wondering why James Lankford is never talked about for the Republican nom? Can anyone explain?

Has he done anything to indicate that he's interested in running?  The people I'm talking about in this thread are people who have done *something* to indicate that they might be interested in running.

In any case, with Trump presumably running for reelection in 2020, it's not even clear that the GOP nomination will be contested.  If it is contested, I'm guessing that it'll be someone from the "Liberty wing" of the party, with Justin Amash being the most likely.  Amash actually made multiple statements in the last year to indicate that he's interesting in running for president some day, and he's so far been chief critic of Trump within the Republican caucus in the House.  He tweets some criticism of Trump's comments or policies every few days, while all the other Congressional Republicans are playing nice (for now).


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on December 06, 2016, 12:56:37 pm
Audio of Biden:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/biden-wont-rule-out-2020-presidential-run/2016/12/06/92564a74-bbcd-11e6-ae79-bec72d34f8c9_video.html

It sounds half joking, half serious to me.



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 06, 2016, 02:10:33 pm
Dan Malloy has been reelected as chair of the DGA:

http://www.courant.com/politics/hc-malloy-dga-chair-again-20161205-story.html

I don’t know if Malloy actually has presidential ambitions, but DGA chair is a job that gives you an excuse to travel around the country raising money, and many past DGA and RGA chairs have gone on to run for president.

Malloy has made several trips to both Iowa and New Hampshire in the past year and a half.  First, he went to New Hampshire in August 2015 to campaign for Clinton:

http://www.ctpost.com/news/article/Malloy-to-stump-for-Hillary-Clinton-in-New-6457863.php

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Malloy is scheduled to meet with Democratic primary voters at a open house event in Amherst, N.H., and will then drop by at a phone bank at Clinton’s Nashua, N.H., campaign office.

Then back to NH in November 2015:

http://www.walb.com/story/30444356/connecticut-governor-to-stump-for-clinton-in-new-hampshire

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Connecticut Gov. Dannel P. Malloy is heading to New Hampshire to campaign for Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.

The incoming chairman of the Democratic Governors Association, Malloy was scheduled to discuss Clinton's plan to combat gun violence in Lebanon on Thursday at noon.

He was also expected to meet with activists in Keene and attend a phone bank kick-off in Concord before appearing at the Salem Democrats' annual fall gala.

Then Iowa in December:

http://www.courant.com/politics/hc-malloy-iowa-hillary-clinton-1218-20151217-story.html

Then back to NH to stump for Clinton in January:

http://www.courant.com/politics/hc-malloy-campaigns-new-hampshire-clinton-20160129-story.html

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Malloy met a wide variety of voters and supporters during a two-day swing that stretched across nearly the entire southern end of the state — from Keene, near the Vermont border, to Hampton and Exeter in the communities closer to Maine.

Then back to Iowa in July for the National Governors Association meeting:

http://www.radioiowa.com/2016/07/14/connecticut-governor-in-iowa-for-nga-touts-his-states-gun-laws/

Malloy may seem like an odd choice as a presidential candidate, considering that, last time I checked, his home state job approval #s are in the basement, with him being one of the least popular governors in the country.  (Has that changed?)

Then again, plenty of other politicians have run for president while not being popular in their home states.  Heck, Rick Santorum suffered a landslide defeat in his home state, and then went on to run for president and won multiple primaries in 2012.



On the Republican side, Scott Walker took over as the new chairman of the RGA a few weeks ago:

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/11/14/walker-gop-governors-group/

I think Walker does have ongoing presidential ambitions, but doubt he would challenge Trump for the nomination in 2020.  Maybe he’ll run again in 2024 though.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 06, 2016, 02:17:39 pm
Something else I learned from those stories quoted above….looks like Chris Murphy also traveled to New Hampshire in the past year to campaign for Clinton…first in December 2015 for the primary:

http://www.courant.com/politics/hc-malloy-iowa-hillary-clinton-1218-20151217-story.html

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Murphy will attend a grassroots campaign event in Derry at 1 p.m. followed by a meeting with gun control group Moms Demand Action in Portsmouth at 3:30 before wrapping up the trip by visiting a phone bank in Hampton.

And then in early November of this year for the general election campaign:

http://www.courant.com/politics/capitol-watch/hc-murphy-clinton-campaign-new-hampshire-story.html

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Murphy canvassed in Rochester and Laconia Wednesday, and visited phone banks in Concord and Nashua. He was there to support Clinton and also Maggie Hassan, who is locked in a tight battle with U.S. Sen. Kelly Ayotte, a Republican seeking re-election to a second, six-year term.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 06, 2016, 03:13:01 pm
Someone else who did some campaign events for Clinton in early primary states this past year: Former LA Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa.  Villaraigosa briefly flirted with running for president himself in 2016 (back when Clinton was nominally undecided on running, so the prospect of a more wide open contests existed), and now chairs the “Latino Victory Fund”, “a PAC that supports candidates who “reflect Latino values,” according to the group’s website.”

He did events for Clinton in the primaries in various states, including early states Iowa and Nevada:

http://www.dailynews.com/government-and-politics/20160314/former-la-mayor-antonio-villaraigosa-stumps-for-clinton-slams-trump

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“When I go, they don’t ask me to speak just to Latinos, I speak to a broad cross section of people,” he said. “I have also spoken to Latinos, both in Iowa and Nevada and Colorado, but not exclusively to them.”

What about a return to elected office?

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As for a return to politics himself, Villaraigosa played coy.

“I am not going to make any announcements right now, but I will say that I have a lot of service left in me,” he said.

“I’ve been honored to be speaker of the California State Assembly, a council member and mayor of Los Angeles, and I would be honored to serve again.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Ted Bessell on December 06, 2016, 08:50:16 pm
Someone else who did some campaign events for Clinton in early primary states this past year: Former LA Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa.  Villaraigosa briefly flirted with running for president himself in 2016 (back when Clinton was nominally undecided on running, so the prospect of a more wide open contests existed), and now chairs the “Latino Victory Fund”, “a PAC that supports candidates who “reflect Latino values,” according to the group’s website.”

He did events for Clinton in the primaries in various states, including early states Iowa and Nevada:

http://www.dailynews.com/government-and-politics/20160314/former-la-mayor-antonio-villaraigosa-stumps-for-clinton-slams-trump

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“When I go, they don’t ask me to speak just to Latinos, I speak to a broad cross section of people,” he said. “I have also spoken to Latinos, both in Iowa and Nevada and Colorado, but not exclusively to them.”

What about a return to elected office?

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As for a return to politics himself, Villaraigosa played coy.

“I am not going to make any announcements right now, but I will say that I have a lot of service left in me,” he said.

“I’ve been honored to be speaker of the California State Assembly, a council member and mayor of Los Angeles, and I would be honored to serve again.”


If it helps, he's running for Governor of California in 2018:

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-governor-villaraigosa-20161110-story.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 06, 2016, 08:56:41 pm
Someone else who did some campaign events for Clinton in early primary states this past year: Former LA Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa.  Villaraigosa briefly flirted with running for president himself in 2016 (back when Clinton was nominally undecided on running, so the prospect of a more wide open contests existed), and now chairs the “Latino Victory Fund”, “a PAC that supports candidates who “reflect Latino values,” according to the group’s website.”

He did events for Clinton in the primaries in various states, including early states Iowa and Nevada:

http://www.dailynews.com/government-and-politics/20160314/former-la-mayor-antonio-villaraigosa-stumps-for-clinton-slams-trump

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“When I go, they don’t ask me to speak just to Latinos, I speak to a broad cross section of people,” he said. “I have also spoken to Latinos, both in Iowa and Nevada and Colorado, but not exclusively to them.”

What about a return to elected office?

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As for a return to politics himself, Villaraigosa played coy.

“I am not going to make any announcements right now, but I will say that I have a lot of service left in me,” he said.

“I’ve been honored to be speaker of the California State Assembly, a council member and mayor of Los Angeles, and I would be honored to serve again.”


If it helps, he's running for Governor of California in 2018:

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-governor-villaraigosa-20161110-story.html

Oh yeah.  I read about that last month, but then promptly forgot about it.

Oh well.  If he's not elected governor, then he has a Nixon-esque path to the White House in front of him.  :P


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 07, 2016, 01:22:57 am
Biden "clarifies" his 2020 remarks on the Colbert show:

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/12/06/joe-biden-2020-president-stephen-colbert

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Biden’s appearance on the show is particularly timely. On Monday, he teased reporters he would run for president in 2020, adding that he would not rule it out right now. He echoed those comments to Colbert. “You and I talked about this in a different context before: I’m a great respecter of fate,” he tells Colbert. “I don’t plan on running again, but to say you know it’s going to happen in four years I just think is not rational.”

“That,” Colbert observes, “is the sound of a door creaking open.”

“I can’t see the circumstance in which I’d run, but what I learned a long, long time ago, Stephen, is to never say never,” Biden replies. “You don’t know what’s going to happen. Hell, Donald Trump’s going to be 74, I’ll be 77 — and in better shape. What the heck?”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on December 07, 2016, 01:29:56 am
^Malloy was also speaking to a bunch of state delegations at the DNC this year. I was at North Carolina's delegate breakfast one morning, and when he walked in he sat right next to me. We got to talk for a bit.

#Malloy2020

His amazing 24% approval rating should resonate with America.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: jimrtex on December 07, 2016, 04:23:29 am
If Joaquin Castro runs for Mayor, or becomes the VP nominee, couldn't Julian Castro run for Joaquin's House seat?
Maybe Julian Castro will run for Doggett's seat?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Big Daddy Gonna Take Care Of Us on December 07, 2016, 12:04:17 pm
^Malloy was also speaking to a bunch of state delegations at the DNC this year. I was at North Carolina's delegate breakfast one morning, and when he walked in he sat right next to me. We got to talk for a bit.

#Malloy2020
I'm surprised because he seems like a major dick. Lindsey Graham was a real dick when I met him.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on December 07, 2016, 12:08:22 pm
^Malloy was also speaking to a bunch of state delegations at the DNC this year. I was at North Carolina's delegate breakfast one morning, and when he walked in he sat right next to me. We got to talk for a bit.

#Malloy2020
I'm surprised because he seems like a major dick. Lindsey Graham was a real dick when I met him.

He's really nice in person. I've met him a few times.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 07, 2016, 04:40:28 pm
At some point, I may go through all the leadership PACs for each of the potential 2020 Democratic presidential candidates.  E.g., Booker, Gillibrand, Klobuchar, and Warren all have leadership PACs…

Booker: “CoryPAC”, contributed $171,000 to Democratic candidates this cycle
https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00497131&cycle=2016

Gillibrand: “Off the Sidelines”, contributed $565,000 to Democratic candidates this cycle
https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00525600&cycle=2016

Klobuchar: “Follow the North Star Fund”, contributed $167,500 to Democratic candidates this cycle
https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00431874&cycle=2016

Warren: “PAC for a Level Playing Field”, contributed $190,000 to Democratic candidates this cycle
https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00540195&cycle=2016

Gillibrand’s PAC is different in that 1) it only donates to women candidates, and 2) most of its money goes to House candidates.  The Booker, Klobuchar, and Warren PACs mostly donated to Senate candidates, with just a few token House candidates included as well.  The Booker, Gillibrand, and Klobuchar PACs all donated to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign as well, while Warren’s PAC didn’t.

Senate candidates who got donations from all four of these PACs:

Tammy Duckworth (IL)
Kamala Harris (CA)
Maggie Hassan (NH)
Catherine Cortez Masto (NV)
Kate McGinty (PA)
Patty Murray (WA)

In early state (IA/NH) action, Warren’s PAC was the only one to donate to Patty Judge (IA).  And Gillibrand’s PAC gave to House candidates Ann McLane Kuster (NH), Carol Shea-Porter (NH), and Monica Vernon (IA).


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 07, 2016, 04:45:41 pm
Here’s Martin O’Malley’s “O’ Say Can You See PAC” for comparison:

https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00525220

Since it was mostly concerned with getting O’Malley elected president, it didn’t actually give that much money to other Democratic candidates, contributing just $27,700 to other Dems this cycle.  Out of the 12 candidates to receive $ from this PAC, 5 were running in Iowa.  :P


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Southern Dep. Speaker Dwarven Dragon on December 08, 2016, 12:01:16 am
Jack Fellure is running for the republican nomination again (he was the prohibition nominee a few cycles ago): http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/838/201611070300117838/201611070300117838.pdf

Here's something on Kander: http://forward.com/news/national/355832/jason-kander-iowa-bound-does-the-jewish-pol-have-presidential-ambitions/

And Steyer: http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/28/does-left-wing-billionaire-tom-steyer-plan-on-trumping-dems-in-2020/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Shadows on December 08, 2016, 07:39:58 am
Gillibrand is pleading to Hillary donors for their support to mount a run for 2020 - She is Hillary II IMO.

Booker also seems interested as does Warren.

But if Biden & Bernie run this will be a 2 horse race & all these vanilla midgets will struggle to reach even 10%.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 08, 2016, 02:21:03 pm
Another possible indicator….all of these guys wrote books (in most cases, memoirs) that came out between 2014 and 2016:

Booker
Cuomo
Gillibrand
Hickenlooper
Klobuchar
Warren

Just saying…most US Senators and Governors didn’t come out with books in the last few years, but these folks did.  It’s the sort of thing that could certainly be read as a sign of national ambitions.  In at least some cases, they might have been thinking about running in 2016 should Clinton choose not to run.  But if they thought about running in ’16, then ’20 is presumably a possibility as well.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 08, 2016, 02:46:26 pm
One thing I missed was that in Evan McMullin's concession speech he mentioned 2020:

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/11/09/2020-evan-mcmullin-calls-conservative-movement.html

McMullin's continued to be critical of Trump since election day, so it wouldn't shock me if he ends up running again in 2020....but this time in the Republican primary.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on December 08, 2016, 04:20:07 pm
One thing I missed was that in Evan McMullin's concession speech he mentioned 2020:

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/11/09/2020-evan-mcmullin-calls-conservative-movement.html

McMullin's continued to be critical of Trump since election day, so it wouldn't shock me if he ends up running again in 2020....but this time in the Republican primary.


I think he might win a state, but I have no idea which one. Maine? Arkansas? ???


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on December 08, 2016, 07:07:03 pm
O'Malley returning to Iowa:

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A familiar face for Iowans will make one last appearance in the state before 2016 ends. Martin O’Malley plans on making a trip to Davenport on December 18 to lend a hand to Democrat Jim Lykam in the special election for the vacant state senate seat.

This will be O’Malley’s seventh trip to Iowa since the Iowa Caucus. O’Malley traveled the country extensively in support of Hillary Clinton after it was clear she would be the nominee in mid-summer. He headlined many fundraisers and volunteer events for the Clinton campaign and legislative Democrats in Iowa during the summer and fall, including for some of his supporters from the presidential campaign.

http://iowastartingline.com/2016/12/08/martin-omalley-to-return-to-iowa-for-lykam-special-election-help/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mike67 on December 08, 2016, 07:32:37 pm
I think Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders will both run for the Democratic Nomination in 2020 while I think Ted Cruz will challenge President Donald Trump in the 2020 GOP Primaries. I think Bernie Sanders will win the Democratic Nomination even though Joe Biden will have the backing of Obama and other Washington Insiders. I think President Trump will beat Ted Cruz easily in the 2020 GOP Primaries. I think Donald Trump will win a second term as President by beating Bernie Sanders in a close Election in 2020.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Fuzzy Bear on December 08, 2016, 07:36:13 pm
Someone else who did some campaign events for Clinton in early primary states this past year: Former LA Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa.  Villaraigosa briefly flirted with running for president himself in 2016 (back when Clinton was nominally undecided on running, so the prospect of a more wide open contests existed), and now chairs the “Latino Victory Fund”, “a PAC that supports candidates who “reflect Latino values,” according to the group’s website.”

He did events for Clinton in the primaries in various states, including early states Iowa and Nevada:

http://www.dailynews.com/government-and-politics/20160314/former-la-mayor-antonio-villaraigosa-stumps-for-clinton-slams-trump

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“When I go, they don’t ask me to speak just to Latinos, I speak to a broad cross section of people,” he said. “I have also spoken to Latinos, both in Iowa and Nevada and Colorado, but not exclusively to them.”

What about a return to elected office?

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As for a return to politics himself, Villaraigosa played coy.

“I am not going to make any announcements right now, but I will say that I have a lot of service left in me,” he said.

“I’ve been honored to be speaker of the California State Assembly, a council member and mayor of Los Angeles, and I would be honored to serve again.”


If it helps, he's running for Governor of California in 2018:

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-governor-villaraigosa-20161110-story.html
He'd need this to be VICE President.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mike67 on December 08, 2016, 07:40:53 pm
If a Republican wins, Julian Castro or Sherrod Brown can be possibilities

Watch out for Joe Biden because he'll probably have the backing of Barack Obama


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 08, 2016, 09:30:58 pm
O'Malley returning to Iowa:

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This will be O’Malley’s seventh trip to Iowa since the Iowa Caucus.

Seventh since the Iowa caucus?  Sheesh, I didn't realize it was that many.  And most of those came when Clinton was leading Trump in the polls, so O'Malley was figuring...what?  That he'd start laying the groundwork for 2024?

I guess, unlike Booker, Cuomo, Klobuchar, etc., O'Malley doesn't have a job, so he's free to hang out in the early states.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mike67 on December 08, 2016, 10:04:27 pm
O'Malley returning to Iowa:

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This will be O’Malley’s seventh trip to Iowa since the Iowa Caucus.

Seventh since the Iowa caucus?  Sheesh, I didn't realize it was that many.  And most of those came when Clinton was leading Trump in the polls, so O'Malley was figuring...what?  That he'd start laying the groundwork for 2024?

I guess, unlike Booker, Cuomo, Klobuchar, etc., O'Malley doesn't have a job, so he's free to hang out in the early states.


Do you think Amy Klobuchar will run in 2020? I think it's very possible.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 08, 2016, 10:11:23 pm
O'Malley returning to Iowa:

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This will be O’Malley’s seventh trip to Iowa since the Iowa Caucus.

Seventh since the Iowa caucus?  Sheesh, I didn't realize it was that many.  And most of those came when Clinton was leading Trump in the polls, so O'Malley was figuring...what?  That he'd start laying the groundwork for 2024?

I guess, unlike Booker, Cuomo, Klobuchar, etc., O'Malley doesn't have a job, so he's free to hang out in the early states.


Do you think Amy Klobuchar will run in 2020? I think it's very possible.

As shown in this thread already, she's dropped a lot of hints in the last few years that she's interested.  Sounds like some are speculating that she might run for governor in 2018 though.  If she does that, it means she's probably not going to run for prez in 2020.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mike67 on December 08, 2016, 10:16:13 pm
O'Malley returning to Iowa:

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This will be O’Malley’s seventh trip to Iowa since the Iowa Caucus.

Seventh since the Iowa caucus?  Sheesh, I didn't realize it was that many.  And most of those came when Clinton was leading Trump in the polls, so O'Malley was figuring...what?  That he'd start laying the groundwork for 2024?

I guess, unlike Booker, Cuomo, Klobuchar, etc., O'Malley doesn't have a job, so he's free to hang out in the early states.


Do you think Amy Klobuchar will run in 2020? I think it's very possible.

As shown in this thread already, she's dropped a lot of hints in the last few years that she's interested.  Sounds like some are speculating that she might run for governor in 2018 though.  If she does that, it means she's probably not going to run for prez in 2020.

Thanks for the info,Mr Morden


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mike67 on December 08, 2016, 10:46:50 pm
At this point, O'Malley is pretty much the Democratic version of Jim Gilmore. Time for him to hang it up for good.

Tax O'Malley would be an easy guy for President Trump to defeat in 2020.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Kingpoleon on December 08, 2016, 10:57:32 pm
One thing I missed was that in Evan McMullin's concession speech he mentioned 2020:

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/11/09/2020-evan-mcmullin-calls-conservative-movement.html

McMullin's continued to be critical of Trump since election day, so it wouldn't shock me if he ends up running again in 2020....but this time in the Republican primary.


I think he might win a state, but I have no idea which one. Maine? Arkansas? ???

Utah??


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on December 08, 2016, 11:00:30 pm
One thing I missed was that in Evan McMullin's concession speech he mentioned 2020:

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/11/09/2020-evan-mcmullin-calls-conservative-movement.html

McMullin's continued to be critical of Trump since election day, so it wouldn't shock me if he ends up running again in 2020....but this time in the Republican primary.


I think he might win a state, but I have no idea which one. Maine? Arkansas? ???

Utah??

That's an interesting possibility. But I think Florida, New Jersey, and North Dakota might be more likely.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 09, 2016, 11:18:35 am
Gillibrand is asked about Dean calling her his top choice for 2020.  She says she’s running for reelection in 2018, and “[has] no plans for 2020” (which isn’t exactly a denial):

http://www.niagara-gazette.com/news/local_news/gillibrand-mentioned-among-next-round-of-white-house-hopefuls/article_ad662393-9f96-57bc-9df3-e2bc01f92c22.html

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In a brief interview last week, following a staged photo opportunity at a food bank in suburban Albany, New York's junior senator suggested that she's doing nothing to encourage talk about her aspirations.

Asked about the plug from Dean, Gillibrand said, "Howard Dean is wonderful and an extraordinary leader. I plan to run for re-election in 2018. I really value my job here as senator of New York, and I intend to be senator of New York, and I have no plans for 2020."

An aide then cut off the questioning.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mike67 on December 09, 2016, 11:21:49 am
Gillibrand is asked about Dean calling her his top choice for 2020.  She says she’s running for reelection in 2018, and “[has] no plans for 2020” (which isn’t exactly a denial):

http://www.niagara-gazette.com/news/local_news/gillibrand-mentioned-among-next-round-of-white-house-hopefuls/article_ad662393-9f96-57bc-9df3-e2bc01f92c22.html

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In a brief interview last week, following a staged photo opportunity at a food bank in suburban Albany, New York's junior senator suggested that she's doing nothing to encourage talk about her aspirations.

Asked about the plug from Dean, Gillibrand said, "Howard Dean is wonderful and an extraordinary leader. I plan to run for re-election in 2018. I really value my job here as senator of New York, and I intend to be senator of New York, and I have no plans for 2020."

An aide then cut off the questioning.


Gillibrand seems to me to be a young Hillary Ciinton


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on December 09, 2016, 11:57:40 am
Gillibrand is asked about Dean calling her his top choice for 2020.  She says she’s running for reelection in 2018, and “[has] no plans for 2020” (which isn’t exactly a denial):

http://www.niagara-gazette.com/news/local_news/gillibrand-mentioned-among-next-round-of-white-house-hopefuls/article_ad662393-9f96-57bc-9df3-e2bc01f92c22.html

Quote
In a brief interview last week, following a staged photo opportunity at a food bank in suburban Albany, New York's junior senator suggested that she's doing nothing to encourage talk about her aspirations.

Asked about the plug from Dean, Gillibrand said, "Howard Dean is wonderful and an extraordinary leader. I plan to run for re-election in 2018. I really value my job here as senator of New York, and I intend to be senator of New York, and I have no plans for 2020."

An aide then cut off the questioning.


Gillibrand seems to me to be a young Hillary Ciinton

I think she's perceived as being further left.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 09, 2016, 01:55:35 pm
Apparently on Wednesday, Biden updated his 2020-ometer reading to "I have no intention of running" (which is not really a Shermanesque denial):

http://www.rollcall.com/news/biden-no-intention-running-2020

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Biden said earlier Wednesday he does not intend to run for president 2020, two days after declining to rule it out.

“I have no intention of running,” Biden told reporters outside the Senate floor Wednesday evening.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mike67 on December 09, 2016, 02:47:14 pm
Apparently on Wednesday, Biden updated his 2020-ometer reading to "I have no intention of running" (which is not really a Shermanesque denial):

http://www.rollcall.com/news/biden-no-intention-running-2020

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Biden said earlier Wednesday he does not intend to run for president 2020, two days after declining to rule it out.

“I have no intention of running,” Biden told reporters outside the Senate floor Wednesday evening.


If Hillary can still walk in 2020 I think there is a fairly strong chance that she will try to run again. I think her ego wont let her accept losing the 2016 Election.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 09, 2016, 03:03:33 pm
Apparently, someone (either Warren herself or perhaps someone looking to promote her) has already scooped up the domain name http://elizabethwarren2020.com .  At present it just takes you to her Senate campaign website.  To be clear, her Senate seat is up in 2018, not 2020.  But someone must have realized that 2020 presidential buzz would eventually lead people to check out elizabethwarren2020.com .


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mike67 on December 09, 2016, 03:05:58 pm
Pocahontas would be an interesting Presidential Candidate but I wonder if she would lose it and flip out like Howard Dean did in Iowa in 2004.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Progressive on December 09, 2016, 04:13:39 pm
Apparently, someone (either Warren herself or perhaps someone looking to promote her) has already scooped up the domain name http://elizabethwarren2020.com .  At present it just takes you to her Senate campaign website.  To be clear, her Senate seat is up in 2018, not 2020.  But someone must have realized that 2020 presidential buzz would eventually lead people to check out elizabethwarren2020.com .


Interesting. But isn't it amateurish to have the election year in the URL?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 09, 2016, 04:20:43 pm
Apparently, someone (either Warren herself or perhaps someone looking to promote her) has already scooped up the domain name http://elizabethwarren2020.com .  At present it just takes you to her Senate campaign website.  To be clear, her Senate seat is up in 2018, not 2020.  But someone must have realized that 2020 presidential buzz would eventually lead people to check out elizabethwarren2020.com .


Interesting. But isn't it amateurish to have the election year in the URL?

I don't think it's unusual for candidates to acquire the domain rights for all the likely permutations, including the election year.  They'll often then have those redirect to the main site.  In this case though, it looks like it's not a redirect, but a mirror of her Senate campaign site?  Still not clear to me who actually owns elizabethwarren2020.com though.  Not sure if it's her or someone else.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Progressive on December 09, 2016, 04:25:57 pm
BTW,

http://www.runcoryrun.com

Run Cory Run appears to look somewhat legit


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 10, 2016, 09:51:30 am
Rahm Emanuel is asked about running for president in 2020 and doesn’t offer a denial.  :P

http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/12/09/rahm-emanuel-flips-bird-when-asked-about-2020

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Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel had a fiery response when asked Thursday night whether he would consider running for president in 2020.

The former White House chief of staff to President Obama and senior adviser to President Bill Clinton flipped off consultant Neil Hare — twice — after being posed the question at BLT Steak, prompting laughter from others at the bar.

In other news, it looks like Booker was asked about 2020 last month…shortly after the election, and I missed it.  Here’s the quote:

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/11/which_road_will_booker_travel_in_2020.html

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For Booker, the 2020 presidential race is also the year he faces re-election to the Senate. He said there is plenty of time to decide which would be the road taken.

"The dust hasn't even settled from the 2016 election -- the absolute last thing on my mind is the next one," Booker said. "My focus is on the immediate priorities of working to unite our country, reassuring the world of American leadership, and seeking new ways to advance the critical work we have before us in the Senate."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 10, 2016, 10:37:03 am
Clinton and Kaine are holding a party to thank their big $ donors....which may or may not be related to one or both of them thinking about 2020:

http://pagesix.com/2016/12/05/hillary-clinton-throwing-party-to-thank-millionaire-donors/

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Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine are throwing a party at the Plaza hotel on Dec. 15 to thank those who donated millions to the campaign.

The party will be held in the Grand Ballroom on the third floor, to honor the Hillary for America finance leadership council.
.
.
.
Unusually, Kaine is throwing his own holiday celebration in NYC earlier the same day.

The insider mused, “Is he trying to keep the donor network alive for a presidential run?”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Make My Bank Account Great Again on December 10, 2016, 11:03:10 am
Clinton and Kaine are holding a party to thank their big $ donors....which may or may not be related to one or both of them thinking about 2020:

http://pagesix.com/2016/12/05/hillary-clinton-throwing-party-to-thank-millionaire-donors/

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Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine are throwing a party at the Plaza hotel on Dec. 15 to thank those who donated millions to the campaign.

The party will be held in the Grand Ballroom on the third floor, to honor the Hillary for America finance leadership council.
.
.
.
Unusually, Kaine is throwing his own holiday celebration in NYC earlier the same day.

The insider mused, “Is he trying to keep the donor network alive for a presidential run?”


I can't be the only person who's uncomfortable with this. Not the part about the potential run, neither of these two would survive the primary. The part about the open embrace of big money donors by the Party that's suppose to be for the poor and working class.

This makes me uneasy and I'm a centre-left Democrat. The Bernie wing is gonna continue to grow and will eat any Democratic politicians alive who engage in this kind of behavior in 2020.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mike67 on December 10, 2016, 11:24:26 am
Clinton and Kaine are holding a party to thank their big $ donors....which may or may not be related to one or both of them thinking about 2020:

http://pagesix.com/2016/12/05/hillary-clinton-throwing-party-to-thank-millionaire-donors/

Quote
Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine are throwing a party at the Plaza hotel on Dec. 15 to thank those who donated millions to the campaign.

The party will be held in the Grand Ballroom on the third floor, to honor the Hillary for America finance leadership council.
.
.
.
Unusually, Kaine is throwing his own holiday celebration in NYC earlier the same day.

The insider mused, “Is he trying to keep the donor network alive for a presidential run?”


I can't be the only person who's uncomfortable with this. Not the part about the potential run, neither of these two would survive the primary. The part about the open embrace of big money donors by the Party that's suppose to be for the poor and working class.

This makes me uneasy and I'm a centre-left Democrat. The Bernie wing is gonna continue to grow and will eat any Democratic politicians alive who engage in this kind of behavior in 2020.

They will energize the Republican Party like raw meat to a lion. Run them in 2020 and Donald Trump has a second term as President and the GOP will keep control of Congress


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 10, 2016, 11:50:04 am
2020 Sunday morning talk show watch:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEWS_SHOWS?SITE=AP

Biden is on State of the Union and Sanders is on Face the Nation tomorrow.  Rumored (http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=233345.msg5400344#msg5400344) 2020 Republican fallback option Tim Scott is also on Face the Nation.

Not sure if you’d rate him as a possible primary challenger to Trump, but Rand Paul will be on This Week.

Trump himself will be on Fox News Sunday.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mike67 on December 10, 2016, 12:00:52 pm
2020 Sunday morning talk show watch:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEWS_SHOWS?SITE=AP

Biden is on State of the Union and Sanders is on Face the Nation tomorrow.  Rumored (http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=233345.msg5400344#msg5400344) 2020 Republican fallback option Tim Scott is also on Face the Nation.

Not sure if you’d rate him as a possible primary challenger to Trump, but Rand Paul will be on This Week.

Trump himself will be on Fox News Sunday.

I think Tim Scott will be a major GOP Candidate for 2024. I think he runs for Governor of South Carolina in 2018 and will probably win.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on December 10, 2016, 01:54:08 pm
Clinton and Kaine are holding a party to thank their big $ donors....which may or may not be related to one or both of them thinking about 2020:

http://pagesix.com/2016/12/05/hillary-clinton-throwing-party-to-thank-millionaire-donors/

Quote
Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine are throwing a party at the Plaza hotel on Dec. 15 to thank those who donated millions to the campaign.

The party will be held in the Grand Ballroom on the third floor, to honor the Hillary for America finance leadership council.
.
.
.
Unusually, Kaine is throwing his own holiday celebration in NYC earlier the same day.

The insider mused, “Is he trying to keep the donor network alive for a presidential run?”


I can't be the only person who's uncomfortable with this. Not the part about the potential run, neither of these two would survive the primary. The part about the open embrace of big money donors by the Party that's suppose to be for the poor and working class.

This makes me uneasy and I'm a centre-left Democrat. The Bernie wing is gonna continue to grow and will eat any Democratic politicians alive who engage in this kind of behavior in 2020.

They will energize the Republican Party like raw meat to a lion. Run them in 2020 and Donald Trump has a second term as President and the GOP will keep control of Congress

I'm honestly tired of people saying Candidate X definitely will or won't beat Trump. We don't know what 2020 will be like; Trump could lose to a potted plant or beat Jesus for all we know.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Make My Bank Account Great Again on December 10, 2016, 02:11:32 pm
Clinton and Kaine are holding a party to thank their big $ donors....which may or may not be related to one or both of them thinking about 2020:

http://pagesix.com/2016/12/05/hillary-clinton-throwing-party-to-thank-millionaire-donors/

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Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine are throwing a party at the Plaza hotel on Dec. 15 to thank those who donated millions to the campaign.

The party will be held in the Grand Ballroom on the third floor, to honor the Hillary for America finance leadership council.
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Unusually, Kaine is throwing his own holiday celebration in NYC earlier the same day.

The insider mused, “Is he trying to keep the donor network alive for a presidential run?”


I can't be the only person who's uncomfortable with this. Not the part about the potential run, neither of these two would survive the primary. The part about the open embrace of big money donors by the Party that's suppose to be for the poor and working class.

This makes me uneasy and I'm a centre-left Democrat. The Bernie wing is gonna continue to grow and will eat any Democratic politicians alive who engage in this kind of behavior in 2020.

They will energize the Republican Party like raw meat to a lion. Run them in 2020 and Donald Trump has a second term as President and the GOP will keep control of Congress

I'm honestly tired of people saying Candidate X definitely will or won't beat Trump. We don't know what 2020 will be like; Trump could lose to a potted plant or beat Jesus for all we know.

You can't deny that the Bernie wing will be a stronger force in 2020 than it was this time around. The trends all point to it.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on December 10, 2016, 02:18:31 pm
Clinton and Kaine are holding a party to thank their big $ donors....which may or may not be related to one or both of them thinking about 2020:

http://pagesix.com/2016/12/05/hillary-clinton-throwing-party-to-thank-millionaire-donors/

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Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine are throwing a party at the Plaza hotel on Dec. 15 to thank those who donated millions to the campaign.

The party will be held in the Grand Ballroom on the third floor, to honor the Hillary for America finance leadership council.
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.
.
Unusually, Kaine is throwing his own holiday celebration in NYC earlier the same day.

The insider mused, “Is he trying to keep the donor network alive for a presidential run?”


I can't be the only person who's uncomfortable with this. Not the part about the potential run, neither of these two would survive the primary. The part about the open embrace of big money donors by the Party that's suppose to be for the poor and working class.

This makes me uneasy and I'm a centre-left Democrat. The Bernie wing is gonna continue to grow and will eat any Democratic politicians alive who engage in this kind of behavior in 2020.

They will energize the Republican Party like raw meat to a lion. Run them in 2020 and Donald Trump has a second term as President and the GOP will keep control of Congress

I'm honestly tired of people saying Candidate X definitely will or won't beat Trump. We don't know what 2020 will be like; Trump could lose to a potted plant or beat Jesus for all we know.

You can't deny that the Bernie wing will be a stronger force in 2020 than it was this time around. The trends all point to it.

What does that have to do with what I said?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Make My Bank Account Great Again on December 10, 2016, 02:39:51 pm
Clinton and Kaine are holding a party to thank their big $ donors....which may or may not be related to one or both of them thinking about 2020:

http://pagesix.com/2016/12/05/hillary-clinton-throwing-party-to-thank-millionaire-donors/

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Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine are throwing a party at the Plaza hotel on Dec. 15 to thank those who donated millions to the campaign.

The party will be held in the Grand Ballroom on the third floor, to honor the Hillary for America finance leadership council.
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.
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Unusually, Kaine is throwing his own holiday celebration in NYC earlier the same day.

The insider mused, “Is he trying to keep the donor network alive for a presidential run?”


I can't be the only person who's uncomfortable with this. Not the part about the potential run, neither of these two would survive the primary. The part about the open embrace of big money donors by the Party that's suppose to be for the poor and working class.

This makes me uneasy and I'm a centre-left Democrat. The Bernie wing is gonna continue to grow and will eat any Democratic politicians alive who engage in this kind of behavior in 2020.

They will energize the Republican Party like raw meat to a lion. Run them in 2020 and Donald Trump has a second term as President and the GOP will keep control of Congress

I'm honestly tired of people saying Candidate X definitely will or won't beat Trump. We don't know what 2020 will be like; Trump could lose to a potted plant or beat Jesus for all we know.

You can't deny that the Bernie wing will be a stronger force in 2020 than it was this time around. The trends all point to it.

What does that have to do with what I said?

Sorry, thought you were replying to me.

But to add on: I don't see any scenario where a centrist democrat can win the nomination and rally the democratic base in the general election given where we're headed.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on December 10, 2016, 03:05:33 pm
Clinton and Kaine are holding a party to thank their big $ donors....which may or may not be related to one or both of them thinking about 2020:

http://pagesix.com/2016/12/05/hillary-clinton-throwing-party-to-thank-millionaire-donors/

Quote
Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine are throwing a party at the Plaza hotel on Dec. 15 to thank those who donated millions to the campaign.

The party will be held in the Grand Ballroom on the third floor, to honor the Hillary for America finance leadership council.
.
.
.
Unusually, Kaine is throwing his own holiday celebration in NYC earlier the same day.

The insider mused, “Is he trying to keep the donor network alive for a presidential run?”


I can't be the only person who's uncomfortable with this. Not the part about the potential run, neither of these two would survive the primary. The part about the open embrace of big money donors by the Party that's suppose to be for the poor and working class.

This makes me uneasy and I'm a centre-left Democrat. The Bernie wing is gonna continue to grow and will eat any Democratic politicians alive who engage in this kind of behavior in 2020.

They will energize the Republican Party like raw meat to a lion. Run them in 2020 and Donald Trump has a second term as President and the GOP will keep control of Congress

I'm honestly tired of people saying Candidate X definitely will or won't beat Trump. We don't know what 2020 will be like; Trump could lose to a potted plant or beat Jesus for all we know.

You can't deny that the Bernie wing will be a stronger force in 2020 than it was this time around. The trends all point to it.

What does that have to do with what I said?

Sorry, thought you were replying to me.

But to add on: I don't see any scenario where a centrist democrat can win the nomination and rally the democratic base in the general election given where we're headed.

I wasn't making any statements about winning the nomination; I was talking about GE chances. But my point is that if economic conditions are dire enough it might be possible for anyone to beat Trump.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 11, 2016, 11:35:39 am
Apparently someone actually started a Draft Chris Murphy 2020 PAC:

http://www.politico.com/tipsheets/politico-influence/2016/12/navigators-hires-transitions-keiser-commerce-committees-orlando-to-bakerhostetler-217800


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 11, 2016, 11:44:05 am
Biden talked 2020 again this morning:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/biden-president-2020_us_584d68c3e4b04c8e2bb04251

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“Age could be very much an issue, and it may not be. It depends on the state of my health and the health of whomever is running,” Biden said in an interview with Jake Tapper on CNN’s “State of the Union.”

“Four years is a lifetime in American politics, and I think that nominees are determined by their parties based mostly on what skill set is most needed at that time,” Biden said. “And who knows where we’re going to be two years from now when people really start looking seriously at what they’re going to do.”

Biden told reporters Monday that he was “not committing not to run.”

“I’m not committing to anything,” he said. “I learned a long time ago fate has a strange way of intervening.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mike67 on December 11, 2016, 12:07:13 pm
Biden talked 2020 again this morning:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/biden-president-2020_us_584d68c3e4b04c8e2bb04251

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“Age could be very much an issue, and it may not be. It depends on the state of my health and the health of whomever is running,” Biden said in an interview with Jake Tapper on CNN’s “State of the Union.”

“Four years is a lifetime in American politics, and I think that nominees are determined by their parties based mostly on what skill set is most needed at that time,” Biden said. “And who knows where we’re going to be two years from now when people really start looking seriously at what they’re going to do.”

Biden told reporters Monday that he was “not committing not to run.”

“I’m not committing to anything,” he said. “I learned a long time ago fate has a strange way of intervening.”


He sounds like he very well could run in 2020


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Make My Bank Account Great Again on December 11, 2016, 05:56:14 pm
Shark Tank was on this Friday and had a segment about Mark Cuban's upbringing and his career.

It's a stretch, but are there any signs that this guy is considering a presidential run in 2020?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Flake on December 11, 2016, 07:04:08 pm
^ please no


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 12, 2016, 09:48:58 am
Reid Epstein of the WSJ says few politicos actually believe Biden is going to run in 2020, and speculates that he’s mainly trying to remain “relevant”:

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/12/12/why-joe-biden-keeps-mentioning-a-2020-run/

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Almost nobody in Washington believes Mr. Biden, who will be 77 years old on Election Day 2020, is serious about mounting a third presidential campaign. But there’s little doubt Mr. Biden is happy to have his name at the front of the party’s discussion about its next leader at least 37 months before the next Iowa caucuses.
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First, Mr. Biden loves the attention that comes with being a presidential candidate. Second, he knows that politicians without a future are functionally dead. That’s why he often delivers the political lesson that “you’re either on the way up or on the way down.” As a departing vice president without a future in politics, Mr. Biden is quite clearly on the way down – unless people think he has another campaign in him.

Biden hinted towards this explanation in his interview with Tapper:

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“I’m interested in having platform where I can have a number of key staff persons who will continue to help me fight for things I care about,” Mr. Biden said on CNN. “I think I will at least have a shelf life of a little bit. … I’ve been doing this since I was 26. I don’t know what else to do.”

The post linked above also mentions’ some O’Malley news (re: his aborted DNC chair bid) that I hadn't heard before:

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Mr. O’Malley, who ended his 2016 campaign after receiving less than 1% of the Iowa caucus vote, asked some Democratic National Committee members if they thought it would be appropriate for him to run for president as a sitting DNC chairman, said DNC members who spoke with Mr. O’Malley. He later abandoned his campaign to lead the party.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Progressive on December 12, 2016, 08:52:54 pm
It's at the end, but Bernie Sanders is on MSNBC now with Chris Hayes. Entire hour is dedicated to him addressing (largely) Trump voters in Wisconsin. Looks like he's interested in presidential politics again to me.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Shadows on December 13, 2016, 06:04:55 am
It's at the end, but Bernie Sanders is on MSNBC now with Chris Hayes. Entire hour is dedicated to him addressing (largely) Trump voters in Wisconsin. Looks like he's interested in presidential politics again to me.

Either ways he will have a say. If he is not fit, he will create a movement for some1 like Warren to latch onto. He has more guts & cross-over appeal than most. I can't see a Warren or a Hillary do this or address Liberty University.

Anyways Biden again hinted at a 2020 leader calling himself one of the Dem leaders.

And as weird as it may sound Hillary may run again - They have plenty of ammunition including more than than the 2M popular vote win , Russia, Comey, Fake news etc.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 13, 2016, 02:09:37 pm
The Daily News talks about Cuomo’s woes, including his corruption trial:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/lovett-gov-cuomo-political-future-remains-uncertain-article-1.2907396

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Entering 2017, the governor is not only warring with many of his fellow New York Democrats, which could seriously affect his agenda, but he also faces potentially damaging fallout from a federal corruption trial that will focus on his administration.

Nine Cuomo associates, including former top aide and close friend Joseph Percoco, have been indicted on bribery and bid-rigging charges tied to some of the governor’s signature upstate economic development programs.

Sources say some, including Percoco, are being pressured by Manhattan U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara to flip — though there has been nothing to suggest so far that Cuomo did anything unlawful.

On whether he will actually run for reelection:

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Political experts say if Cuomo makes it through 2017 with his approval numbers relatively intact, Schneiderman and DiNapoli would likely seek reelection to their current offices.

But if Cuomo's numbers and power are weakened considerably, he could recognize his vulnerability and decide against a reelection run, they say.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 13, 2016, 02:20:54 pm
At some point, I may go through all the leadership PACs for each of the potential 2020 Democratic presidential candidates.  E.g., Booker, Gillibrand, Klobuchar, and Warren all have leadership PACs…

Booker: “CoryPAC”, contributed $171,000 to Democratic candidates this cycle
https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00497131&cycle=2016

Gillibrand: “Off the Sidelines”, contributed $565,000 to Democratic candidates this cycle
https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00525600&cycle=2016

Klobuchar: “Follow the North Star Fund”, contributed $167,500 to Democratic candidates this cycle
https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00431874&cycle=2016

Warren: “PAC for a Level Playing Field”, contributed $190,000 to Democratic candidates this cycle
https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00540195&cycle=2016

Gillibrand’s PAC is different in that 1) it only donates to women candidates, and 2) most of its money goes to House candidates.  The Booker, Klobuchar, and Warren PACs mostly donated to Senate candidates, with just a few token House candidates included as well.  The Booker, Gillibrand, and Klobuchar PACs all donated to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign as well, while Warren’s PAC didn’t.

Senate candidates who got donations from all four of these PACs:

Tammy Duckworth (IL)
Kamala Harris (CA)
Maggie Hassan (NH)
Catherine Cortez Masto (NV)
Kate McGinty (PA)
Patty Murray (WA)

In early state (IA/NH) action, Warren’s PAC was the only one to donate to Patty Judge (IA).  And Gillibrand’s PAC gave to House candidates Ann McLane Kuster (NH), Carol Shea-Porter (NH), and Monica Vernon (IA).


To add to the above, while I don’t think de Blasio has a PAC as such, he does have a non-profit whose sole purpose seems to be promoting Bill de Blasio on the national stage:

http://www.politico.com/states/new-york/city-hall/story/2016/07/progressive-agenda-committee-spends-418-298-but-has-no-staff-and-didnt-do-anything-103906

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The Progressive Agenda Committee — a nonprofit incorporated last fall to help promote Mayor Bill de Blasio's national political agenda that was started with seed money from another nonprofit de Blasio created — has raised $348,500 and spent $418,298 in the past six months, according to a record of its donors and expenditures voluntarily provided by the nonprofit.

Of the group's nearly half million dollars worth of expenses, $289,224 went to political consultants and strategists. The committee, though, has not held any events, and at present, does not have a single staff member working for it.

The Progressive Agenda Committee itself is an outgrowth of an initiative de Blasio unveiled last spring in Washington, D.C., called the Progressive Agenda, which included a 13-point progressive policy wish list, including raising the federal minimum wage, mandating paid family leave and closing tax loopholes for the wealthy. De Blasio had rolled out a list of national political and labor leaders who agreed to sign onto the agenda.

Will be interesting to see if this group does anything in the next ~2+ years.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on December 13, 2016, 03:42:25 pm
Kanye's latest tweets now imply that he will run in 2024, not 2020.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Gass3268 on December 13, 2016, 03:45:58 pm
Kanye's latest tweets now imply that he will run in 2024, not 2020.

Trump successfully removes his greatest threat to reelection.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on December 13, 2016, 04:16:31 pm
Kanye's latest tweets now imply that he will run in 2024, not 2020.

Oh God, he'll do this every cycle won't he?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on December 13, 2016, 06:05:02 pm
Though Franken says he won't run, he has a book coming out on May 30:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzlcKXeVEAQJUGi.jpg)

http://www.startribune.com/sen-al-franken-s-giant-of-the-u-s-senate-book-hits-stands-may-30/406308006/




Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 13, 2016, 06:22:54 pm
Back in 2012, Tom Vilsack floated the idea of running for president in 2016:

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=164982.msg3536958#msg3536958

but then promptly dropped the matter, before making a 2016 cameo appearance as a Clinton VP short lister.

So it's with a heavy heart that I report that Vilsack isn't talking about the presidency anymore these days:

http://farmfutures.com/story-secretary-vilsack-taking-final-lap-0-150533

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At a press conference after addressing the Iowa Farm Bureau’s 2016 annual meeting, Vilsack said, “I don’t know precisely what my future is,” but he doubts it will include political office.

Not Shermanesque though.  :P


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Gass3268 on December 14, 2016, 05:55:37 pm
 Elizabeth Warren gets spot on Armed Services Committee (https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/12/14/warren-gets-spot-armed-services-committee/TR4Xf6TnDn8izaFSlUDJcN/story.html)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: psychosaff on December 14, 2016, 06:22:18 pm
Elizabeth Warren gets spot on Armed Services Committee (https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/12/14/warren-gets-spot-armed-services-committee/TR4Xf6TnDn8izaFSlUDJcN/story.html)

I was just about to post this. This is good news.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Solidarity Forever on December 15, 2016, 12:30:02 am
Elizabeth Warren gets spot on Armed Services Committee (https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/12/14/warren-gets-spot-armed-services-committee/TR4Xf6TnDn8izaFSlUDJcN/story.html)

I was just about to post this. This is good news.

Can someone explain to me what makes this so politically significant?

She's sometimes seen as inexperienced on foreign policy matters (in my view rightly so), and this would give here some good credentials on that front.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 15, 2016, 01:07:34 am
Elizabeth Warren gets spot on Armed Services Committee (https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/12/14/warren-gets-spot-armed-services-committee/TR4Xf6TnDn8izaFSlUDJcN/story.html)

I was just about to post this. This is good news.

Can someone explain to me what makes this so politically significant?

US Senators who run for president almost always try to get on either the Foreign Relations Committee or the Armed Services Committee before they run for prez.  It gives them a chance to delve into foreign policy while still in the Senate.

E.g., of the four sitting Republican Senators who ran for prez this year, all of them were on one of those two committees…

Armed Services: Cruz, Graham
Foreign Relations: Paul, Rubio

Though it's certainly not a hard and fast rule.  On the Democratic side, Sanders also ran for prez this year, and he isn't on either of those committees.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 15, 2016, 01:49:42 pm
And now Booker is joining the Foreign Relations Committee:

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/310586-booker-to-join-foreign-relations-committee


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Gass3268 on December 15, 2016, 04:06:55 pm
Sanders had skin cancer removed from cheek (http://thehill.com/homenews/news/310629-sanders-had-skin-cancer-removed-from-cheek-report)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 16, 2016, 09:08:27 am
More analysis of the new Booker and Warren committee assignments:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2016/12/16/daily-202-democrats-with-2020-ambitions-finagle-the-committee-assignments-that-boosted-clinton-and-kaine/585349cae9b69b36fcfeaf44/?utm_term=.0d85eddda5ab


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Sir Mohamed on December 16, 2016, 09:41:00 am
Sanders had skin cancer removed from cheek (http://thehill.com/homenews/news/310629-sanders-had-skin-cancer-removed-from-cheek-report)

Oh lord, hope Bernie is ok.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on December 16, 2016, 10:26:59 am
Sanders had skin cancer removed from cheek (http://thehill.com/homenews/news/310629-sanders-had-skin-cancer-removed-from-cheek-report)

Oh lord, hope Bernie is ok.

Indeed. I hope it doesn't get any worse than this.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 16, 2016, 01:41:41 pm
I already posted a thread about O’Malley’s interview with Alan Colmes, but should also mention the part that’s relevant for the big “Will O’Malley run again in 2020?” question.  Colmes asked O’Malley what he intends to do with his life next, and here’s the answer (this starts towards the end, from around the 11:25 mark):

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5250156109001/?#sp=show-clips

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O’Malley: “I intend to speak clearly.  I intend to be very active…I intend to bring forward new leadership.  I intend to speak to an economy that works for all of us, to the opportunities in climate change, and the American imperative of making sure that we reform our immigration process…”

Colmes: “Are you done with electoral politics?”

O’Malley: “I don’t know that I am done with electoral politics.  I am going to continue to speak out.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Confused Democrat on December 18, 2016, 08:10:00 pm
I already posted a thread about O’Malley’s interview with Alan Colmes, but should also mention the part that’s relevant for the big “Will O’Malley run again in 2020?” question.  Colmes asked O’Malley what he intends to do with his life next, and here’s the answer (this starts towards the end, from around the 11:25 mark):

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5250156109001/?#sp=show-clips

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O’Malley: “I intend to speak clearly.  I intend to be very active…I intend to bring forward new leadership.  I intend to speak to an economy that works for all of us, to the opportunities in climate change, and the American imperative of making sure that we reform our immigration process…”

Colmes: “Are you done with electoral politics?”

O’Malley: “I don’t know that I am done with electoral politics.  I am going to continue to speak out.”


That sounds like a yes to me.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on December 19, 2016, 02:59:34 am
Reid Epstein of the WSJ says few politicos actually believe Biden is going to run in 2020, and speculates that he’s mainly trying to remain “relevant”:

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/12/12/why-joe-biden-keeps-mentioning-a-2020-run/

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Almost nobody in Washington believes Mr. Biden, who will be 77 years old on Election Day 2020, is serious about mounting a third presidential campaign. But there’s little doubt Mr. Biden is happy to have his name at the front of the party’s discussion about its next leader at least 37 months before the next Iowa caucuses.
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First, Mr. Biden loves the attention that comes with being a presidential candidate. Second, he knows that politicians without a future are functionally dead. That’s why he often delivers the political lesson that “you’re either on the way up or on the way down.” As a departing vice president without a future in politics, Mr. Biden is quite clearly on the way down – unless people think he has another campaign in him.

Biden hinted towards this explanation in his interview with Tapper:

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“I’m interested in having platform where I can have a number of key staff persons who will continue to help me fight for things I care about,” Mr. Biden said on CNN. “I think I will at least have a shelf life of a little bit. … I’ve been doing this since I was 26. I don’t know what else to do.”

The post linked above also mentions’ some O’Malley news (re: his aborted DNC chair bid) that I hadn't heard before:

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Mr. O’Malley, who ended his 2016 campaign after receiving less than 1% of the Iowa caucus vote, asked some Democratic National Committee members if they thought it would be appropriate for him to run for president as a sitting DNC chairman, said DNC members who spoke with Mr. O’Malley. He later abandoned his campaign to lead the party.


Well, Biden does have a history of taking a while to announce he isn't running. Not just 2016, he really was bidin' his time in 2004, too.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 19, 2016, 10:11:26 am
New interview with Warren here:

http://www.wcvb.com/article/on-the-record-will-elizabeth-warren-run-for-re-election/8512260

Skip to about the 3:40 mark.  Warren is asked whether she’s going to run for reelection in 2018, and she declines to answer, saying “Today’s not the day to make an announcement”, but also “I love my job.”

Then she’s asked about running for president in 2020, and she says it’s “not on her radar screen”, which again, is not really a Shermanesque denial.

EDIT: Also, I hadn't really noticed it before, but Warren's voice is vaguely similar to that of Peggy Noonan.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 19, 2016, 10:13:05 am
Here’s a dispatch from O’Malley’s trip to Iowa this weekend:

http://www.thegazette.com/subject/news/government/politics/martin-omalley-campaigns-for-jim-lykam-in-davenport-20161218

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O’Malley, who ran for the Democratic presidential nomination but dropped out after finishing a distant third in this year’s Iowa caucuses, spoke to about two dozen people at Scott County Democratic Party headquarters. Then he was heading over to a fundraiser for Lykam.
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In the aftermath of the election, O’Malley told reporters the left needs to focus its attention on economic issues. And he criticized President-elect Donald Trump’s choice to be secretary of labor, saying he opposes the minimum wage, collective bargaining and even has a mindset against higher wages.

“Our challenge as a party now without a leader is to become more disciplined as a network in bringing everything back to wages and jobs and a stronger and growing American middle class,” O’Malley said. Trump’s choices, he said, are not consistent with that goal.
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As for his own future plans, O’Malley said it was too early to be looking at the 2020 presidential race. But he said he intends to continue helping Democrats across the country.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 19, 2016, 10:30:53 am
Clinton and Kaine are holding a party to thank their big $ donors....which may or may not be related to one or both of them thinking about 2020:

http://pagesix.com/2016/12/05/hillary-clinton-throwing-party-to-thank-millionaire-donors/

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Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine are throwing a party at the Plaza hotel on Dec. 15 to thank those who donated millions to the campaign.

The party will be held in the Grand Ballroom on the third floor, to honor the Hillary for America finance leadership council.
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Unusually, Kaine is throwing his own holiday celebration in NYC earlier the same day.

The insider mused, “Is he trying to keep the donor network alive for a presidential run?”


Here's a dispatch from that event:

http://pagesix.com/2016/12/16/hillary-clintons-holiday-party-like-a-wake/

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“It was like a wake with a band,” quipped one guest who was at the Plaza on Thursday for Hillary Clinton’s holiday party to thank top-tier donors, VIP boosters and campaign advisers.

The source said, “It was a little bit of group therapy and a lot of love” among the losing Democratic rainmakers.
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“No one has any illusion of ‘the band coming back together again,’ but it did bring a sense of closure,” said a Hillary backer of the possibility she’d come back as a candidate.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on December 19, 2016, 02:00:55 pm
Clinton and Kaine are holding a party to thank their big $ donors....which may or may not be related to one or both of them thinking about 2020:

http://pagesix.com/2016/12/05/hillary-clinton-throwing-party-to-thank-millionaire-donors/

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Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine are throwing a party at the Plaza hotel on Dec. 15 to thank those who donated millions to the campaign.

The party will be held in the Grand Ballroom on the third floor, to honor the Hillary for America finance leadership council.
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Unusually, Kaine is throwing his own holiday celebration in NYC earlier the same day.

The insider mused, “Is he trying to keep the donor network alive for a presidential run?”


Here's a dispatch from that event:

http://pagesix.com/2016/12/16/hillary-clintons-holiday-party-like-a-wake/

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“It was like a wake with a band,” quipped one guest who was at the Plaza on Thursday for Hillary Clinton’s holiday party to thank top-tier donors, VIP boosters and campaign advisers.

The source said, “It was a little bit of group therapy and a lot of love” among the losing Democratic rainmakers.
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“No one has any illusion of ‘the band coming back together again,’ but it did bring a sense of closure,” said a Hillary backer of the possibility she’d come back as a candidate.


Good. Now we just need to make sure that Sanders and Biden don't run.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: JustinTimeCuber on December 19, 2016, 09:07:37 pm
Who I think might run:
Booker: Maybe
Gillibrand: Maybe
Warren: Maybe
Sanders: Maybe
Harris: Maybe
Gabbard: Maybe
Everyone else: Probably not


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 19, 2016, 10:12:28 pm
Regarding the committee assignments...looks like Kamala Harris didn't get assigned to either Armed Services or Foreign Affairs, but she did make it onto the Select Committee on Intelligence, so I guess she can argue that that at least gives her some "national security" cred:

http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-kamala-harris-nabs-national-security-1482178585-htmlstory.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Southern Dep. Speaker Dwarven Dragon on December 20, 2016, 02:50:45 am
Regarding the committee assignments...looks like Kamala Harris didn't get assigned to either Armed Services or Foreign Affairs, but she did make it onto the Select Committee on Intelligence, so I guess she can argue that that at least gives her some "national security" cred:

http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-kamala-harris-nabs-national-security-1482178585-htmlstory.html


Michelle Bachmann was on that committee in the house when she ran for president. But she didn't get remotely close to the WH.........


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Progressive on December 20, 2016, 07:47:57 am
Regarding the committee assignments...looks like Kamala Harris didn't get assigned to either Armed Services or Foreign Affairs, but she did make it onto the Select Committee on Intelligence, so I guess she can argue that that at least gives her some "national security" cred:

http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-kamala-harris-nabs-national-security-1482178585-htmlstory.html


Michelle Bachmann was on that committee in the house when she ran for president. But she didn't get remotely close to the WH.........

As a member of the House though...I think that's a different type of profile than in the Senate


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 20, 2016, 09:55:34 am
Cuomo again asked if he’s going to run for president, and deflects the question with “I’m running for governor”:

http://blog.timesunion.com/capitol/archives/270341/cuomo-on-2020-plans-im-running-for-governor-in-2018/

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Gov. Andrew Cuomo did not indulge a question on Monday about whether he plans to run for president in four years, saying only he is running for re-election in 2018.

“I’m running for governor,” he told reporters with a smile following the Electoral College vote at the state Capitol. “You want to get rid of me as governor?”

Meanwhile, Michelle Obama reiterates that she’s not going to run for prez:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/michelle-obama-oprah-winfrey-cbs-interview-not-run-barack-obama-2020-first-lady-donald-trump-a7486151.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Shadows on December 20, 2016, 12:23:09 pm
I posted this in another thread -

   
Booker & Warren take committee assignments to boost foreign policy for 2020 run

Democratic Sens. Cory Booker and Elizabeth Warren, two rising stars in the party who are already talked about as presidential contenders in 2020, are taking committee assignments next year that will burnish their foreign policy credentials ahead of a potential national run.

Booker will join the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 2017, giving the New Jersey Democrat a powerful perch on a panel that grapples with weighty matters such as authorizing war and leveling sanctions against foreign governments. The first-term senator will also have a front-row seat for the confirmation fight over Rex Tillerson, President-elect Donald Trump’s pick for secretary of state.

Warren will become the newest Democratic member of the Armed Services Committee, adding military credentials to a legislative portfolio heavy on domestic policy. That committee has a high-profile nomination fight as well: retired Gen. James Mattis, whom Trump will nominate to lead the Pentagon.

Source - Politico

The Sanders wing will be completely fractured because there will be another strong progressive in the primary surely as Warren is not acceptable universally & she is a weak candidate too IMO.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 20, 2016, 12:39:11 pm
I posted this in another thread -

   
Booker & Warren take committee assignments to boost foreign policy for 2020 run


Already discussed in this thread last week:

Elizabeth Warren gets spot on Armed Services Committee (https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/12/14/warren-gets-spot-armed-services-committee/TR4Xf6TnDn8izaFSlUDJcN/story.html)

And now Booker is joining the Foreign Relations Committee:

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/310586-booker-to-join-foreign-relations-committee



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 20, 2016, 01:42:16 pm
Addendum to this list (http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=233345.msg5412026#msg5412026) of early primary state visits this year: I guess, in addition to campaigning in NH, Warren also campaigned for both Clinton and Masto in Nevada in early November:

http://www.rgj.com/story/news/politics/2016/10/30/elizabeth-warren-campaign-wednesday-northern-nevada/93013968/

It's not totally clear that Nevada will still be an early caucus state in 2020, but it might be.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Shadows on December 20, 2016, 01:55:51 pm
Addendum to this list (http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=233345.msg5412026#msg5412026) of early primary state visits this year: I guess, in addition to campaigning in NH, Warren also campaigned for both Clinton and Masto in Nevada in early November:

http://www.rgj.com/story/news/politics/2016/10/30/elizabeth-warren-campaign-wednesday-northern-nevada/93013968/

It's not totally clear that Nevada will still be an early caucus state in 2020, but it might be.


I think NH, NV, IW & SC are logical. 4 states from the North East, Mid-west, West coast & deep south - SC having large black population while NV has a solid hispanic population. 3 of the 4 states are purple or battleground states.

They will stick with NV. Logically I would prefer NC to SC as NC is a swing state & it makes sense for Dems to campaign more there.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: JustinTimeCuber on December 20, 2016, 04:51:34 pm
Addendum to this list (http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=233345.msg5412026#msg5412026) of early primary state visits this year: I guess, in addition to campaigning in NH, Warren also campaigned for both Clinton and Masto in Nevada in early November:

http://www.rgj.com/story/news/politics/2016/10/30/elizabeth-warren-campaign-wednesday-northern-nevada/93013968/

It's not totally clear that Nevada will still be an early caucus state in 2020, but it might be.


I think NH, NV, IW & SC are logical. 4 states from the North East, Mid-west, West coast & deep south - SC having large black population while NV has a solid hispanic population. 3 of the 4 states are purple or battleground states.

They will stick with NV. Logically I would prefer NC to SC as NC is a swing state & it makes sense for Dems to campaign more there.
Iowa is IA just fyi


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on December 20, 2016, 11:08:01 pm
"Murphy Pours Cold Water on 'Draft Murphy' Movement"

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A college student's effort to draft Chris Murphy to run for president in 2020 is getting a cool reception from the would-be candidate.

Asked if he would consider a bid, Murphy said, "no, I wouldn't."

The freshman Democratic senator told reporters at a press conference at the state Capitol Tuesday morning that his first decision is whether to run for reelection in two years.

"This job to me is the honor of a lifetime and my intentions are only to be a great United States senator from Connecticut,'' Murphy said.

http://www.courant.com/politics/capitol-watch/hc-murphy-pours-cold-water-on-draft-murphy-movement-20161220-story.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on December 21, 2016, 10:48:08 am
"Murphy Pours Cold Water on 'Draft Murphy' Movement"

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A college student's effort to draft Chris Murphy to run for president in 2020 is getting a cool reception from the would-be candidate.

Asked if he would consider a bid, Murphy said, "no, I wouldn't."

The freshman Democratic senator told reporters at a press conference at the state Capitol Tuesday morning that his first decision is whether to run for reelection in two years.

"This job to me is the honor of a lifetime and my intentions are only to be a great United States senator from Connecticut,'' Murphy said.

http://www.courant.com/politics/capitol-watch/hc-murphy-pours-cold-water-on-draft-murphy-movement-20161220-story.html

I like Murphy a lot but I don't think he'd make a good candidate.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on December 21, 2016, 01:35:53 pm
"Murphy Pours Cold Water on 'Draft Murphy' Movement"

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A college student's effort to draft Chris Murphy to run for president in 2020 is getting a cool reception from the would-be candidate.

Asked if he would consider a bid, Murphy said, "no, I wouldn't."

The freshman Democratic senator told reporters at a press conference at the state Capitol Tuesday morning that his first decision is whether to run for reelection in two years.

"This job to me is the honor of a lifetime and my intentions are only to be a great United States senator from Connecticut,'' Murphy said.

http://www.courant.com/politics/capitol-watch/hc-murphy-pours-cold-water-on-draft-murphy-movement-20161220-story.html

I like Murphy a lot but I don't think he'd make a good candidate.

I think he'd make for a very good attack dog VP.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 21, 2016, 01:49:11 pm
Hmmm...so if Murphy isn't actually interested in running for president, why did he campaign for Clinton in the New Hampshire primary, and then campaigned again in New Hampshire this fall for both Clinton and Hassan?  I guess it's just because New Hampshire's the nearest swing state for someone living in Connecticut?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on December 21, 2016, 02:53:31 pm
Hmmm...so if Murphy isn't actually interested in running for president, why did he campaign for Clinton in the New Hampshire primary, and then campaigned again in New Hampshire this fall for both Clinton and Hassan?  I guess it's just because New Hampshire's the nearest swing state for someone living in Connecticut?


Yeah, it could be that he was just doing it out of a desire to help Clinton and Hassan get elected (also note thst Ayotte was famous for strongly opposing gun control, Murphy's thing, unlike the other vulnerable Northeastern Republican Senator, Pat Toomey, who is relatively moderate on the issue).

Or maybe Murphy really is thinking of running.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 22, 2016, 12:09:19 pm
So I think Wikipedia is being led astray again on what counts as a “denial”.  Here’s an excerpt from a Dec. 4th story that Wikipedia is using to claim that Gillibrand has already ruled out a 2020 presidential run:

http://observer.com/2016/12/kirsten-gillibrand-wants-more-federal-funds-to-protect-mosques-and-synagogues/

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Gillibrand—a prominent Clinton surrogate who was among elected officials who said they were convinced she would win outside Javits Center on election night—has been named as a potential Democratic candidate for the 2020 presidential election, But she said today she’s definitely not running.

“I’m running for Senate in 2018 and I really am very grateful for the opportunity to serve this state and believe it’s a platform where I can really help the most vulnerable and work on issues like this and really make a difference.”

The text of the story says “she said today she’s definitely not running”.  But the actual quote they give says nothing of the kind.  She says she’s running for reelection for Senate, but that hardly precludes her also running for president in 2020.  This is just the standard “non-denial” line that all the candidates give.  Yet the article takes that to be a real denial, and Wikipedia takes them seriously.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 22, 2016, 12:19:54 pm
Here are Biden’s post-VP plans:

http://thehill.com/homenews/311297-biden-heading-to-university-of-pennsylvania-report

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Vice President Joe Biden will head to the University of Pennsylvania once he leaves office, according to Politico Playbook.

Biden’s spokesperson declined to comment, but the report notes that Biden previously alluded to working within a university in some capacity.

Biden said earlier this year in an interview with STAT that he would continue focusing on the “cancer moonshot” initiative.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 22, 2016, 03:04:02 pm
A good chance that this is just be for his mayoral reelection race, but looks like de Blasio (like Cuomo! (http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=233345.msg5412554#msg5412554)) is hiring an aide with presidential campaign level experience:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/16/nyregion/mayor-shakes-up-media-operation-again.html

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The de Blasio administration announced on Friday it had hired a former spokesman for Bernie Sanders to run its day-to-day media strategy.

The former spokesman, Mike Casca, 27, will become Mayor Bill de Blasio’s communications director, helping to shape the approach of a media operation that has gone through several rounds of reshuffling and has been at odds with reporters over its decision to scale back traditional mayoral news conferences to one a week.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 23, 2016, 12:08:55 pm
Here is a recap of Kander's speech before Progress Iowa:

http://iowastartingline.com/2016/12/21/in-iowa-jason-kander-pitches-path-forward-for-democrats/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 23, 2016, 01:48:40 pm
Warren's former chief of staff is being named the DSCC executive director:

http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/12/former_us_sen_elizabeth_warren.html

Will be interesting to see to what extent Warren herself gets involved in the 2018 midterms, beyond her own reelection race.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on December 23, 2016, 02:47:03 pm
Tim Egan from NYT casts Montana's Steve Bullock as a good dark horse candidate against Trump.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/23/opinion/red-state-hope-for-democratic-blues.html?ribbon-ad-idx=3&src=trending&module=Ribbon&version=origin&region=Header&action=click&contentCollection=Trending&pgtype=article&_r=0


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 25, 2016, 09:25:27 am
Klobuchar says she’s running for reelection for her Senate seat in 2018, ruling out a run for governor that year:

http://www.startribune.com/klobuchar-will-run-again-for-senate-rules-herself-out-for-governor-s-race/408163356/

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U.S. Sen. Amy Klobuchar will run for re-election in 2018, ruling herself out for Minnesota’s next race for governor as she prepares to challenge the new Trump administration and look for ways to work with Republicans leading Congress.

In an interview with the Star Tribune, Klobuchar acknowledged that many DFLers asked her to run for governor instead of Senate re-election. But she said it’s not the right time to walk away from Washington.

“I really looked at the moment in history and I feel like my job is there,” said Klobuchar, who was first elected in 2006. “The fact that I’ve been able to get through the gridlock many, many times means that you can’t just walk away when it’s an ugly time. It means you have a duty and obligation to keep doing your job. It may sound Pollyanna but it’s what I decided.”

Speculation had swirled for months that Klobuchar, consistently the state’s most popular politician, might be ready to switch political jobs. Gov. Mark Dayton won’t run again in 2018, and the DFL is desperate to keep a seat he’s held for two terms. A former Hennepin County attorney, Klobuchar often says she misses being a chief executive and running a big organization.

If Klobuchar had run for governor, it probably would have meant no presidential run in 2020, since she would have had to start campaigning for president just a few months after taking on her new job as governor.  But since she’s just going to continue on with her existing job as Senator, a 2020 presidential run would seem to be very much on the table.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 25, 2016, 03:09:55 pm
Yet another non-denial from Gillibrand:

http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/U-S-Sen-Gillibrand-will-push-agenda-despite-10817816.php

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So, what about 2020? Any interest?

"I'm running for re-election in 2018 and have no plans beyond that,'' she said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 25, 2016, 03:15:48 pm
This is from about a month ago, but it doesn’t look like it was posted here.  Gavin Newsom doesn’t sound enthusiastic about a presidential run:

http://www.recode.net/2016/11/15/13642138/gavin-newsom-california-governor-president-job

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But the top top job? President of the United States? Newsom says that job sounds absolutely terrible.

“That seems like the most miserable job in the world,” Newsom said when asked if he’d ever want to run for president. “No. I have no, zero, don’t even talk about it. We’re wasting valuable time,” Newsom added with a wave of his hand.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 25, 2016, 03:26:19 pm
More Cuomo talk:

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/jasonhopkins/2016/12/14/is-gov-andrew-cuomo-angling-for-a-2020-presidential-run-n2259793

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Despite not taking the role of chairman to the Democratic Governors Association, Cuomo has still shown his desire to take on a more national appearance by becoming policy chairman of the DGA. The New York Democrat has already made recent trips to Israel and Cuba. Obama White House employees are reportedly interviewing at his office as he continues to bulk his own staff.

Aides to Cuomo have gone so far as to say a 2020 presidential bid is inevitable.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Solidarity Forever on December 25, 2016, 09:16:30 pm
More Cuomo talk:

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/jasonhopkins/2016/12/14/is-gov-andrew-cuomo-angling-for-a-2020-presidential-run-n2259793

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Despite not taking the role of chairman to the Democratic Governors Association, Cuomo has still shown his desire to take on a more national appearance by becoming policy chairman of the DGA. The New York Democrat has already made recent trips to Israel and Cuba. Obama White House employees are reportedly interviewing at his office as he continues to bulk his own staff.

Aides to Cuomo have gone so far as to say a 2020 presidential bid is inevitable.


Oh, Christ. At least he and Booker will split the Wall Street vote.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 26, 2016, 05:20:11 pm
This is probably not about 2020, but I figured it was worth mentioning:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/311838-clinton-thanks-supporters-in-year-end-message

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Hillary Clinton sent a message Monday to close out the year, thanking her supporters and urging them to push “onward.”

“Before this year ends, I want to thank you again for your support of our campaign. While we didn’t achieve the outcome we sought, I’m proud of the vision and values we fought for and the nearly 66 million people who voted for them,” she wrote.
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In Monday’s statement, Clinton encouraged her supporters to look forward to the new year.

“I look forward to staying in touch in 2017. Onward!"


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Southern Dep. Speaker Dwarven Dragon on December 26, 2016, 07:45:14 pm
Maybe she could try to run for governor of NY - She'd have a decent shot at beating Cuomo, and would be safe in the general.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 28, 2016, 10:00:55 am
Klobuchar is touring former Soviet republics this week, on a trip with John McCain and Lindsey Graham:

http://www.businessinsider.com/ap-mccain-permanent-us-troops-in-estonia-rather-than-rotation-2016-12?r=UK&IR=T

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McCain, a critic of Russian President Vladimir Putin, is touring Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania this week with fellow Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham and Democrat Sen. Amy Klobuchar. The lawmakers also plan to visit Ukraine, Georgia and Montenegro.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0sNx3nW8AARlXl.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0r1GuMXcAAXy66.jpg)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: psychosaff on December 28, 2016, 05:04:44 pm
Amy just doesn't seem that exciting of a candidate for President.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: ATG on December 28, 2016, 06:15:21 pm
I saw a petition on change.org with the aim of getting Al Gore to run again in 2020 (not asking you to sign it haha); I doubt that Gore will run again, if he was going to he should have done so in 2008 when people were fed up with the Bush administration.

I can't say who will run in 2020 but, assuming he wins the California Gubernatorial in 2018 and does a good job as Governor, Gavin Newsom could be a strong Democratic candidate for 2024 (assuming Trump wins in 2020) or 2028.



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Shameless Bernie Hack on December 29, 2016, 09:56:06 pm
Martin O'Malley campaigning in an IA Sen special election. (http://qctimes.com/news/local/government-and-politics/elections/o-malley-campaigns-for-lykam-in-davenport/article_e3c6440c-e02e-5dc8-ad30-528df3fb3d21.html) Dear Lord, I commend him on his devotion to the grassroots but dude can't take a hint.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 29, 2016, 11:17:33 pm
I can't say who will run in 2020 but, assuming he wins the California Gubernatorial in 2018 and does a good job as Governor, Gavin Newsom could be a strong Democratic candidate for 2024 (assuming Trump wins in 2020) or 2028.

As I noted upthread:

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=233345.msg5447343#msg5447343

Newsom called President of the United States "the most miserable job in the world".  So publicly, at least, he doesn't seem interested.  Whether that's just for show or not, I don't know.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: ATG on December 30, 2016, 03:41:47 pm
That's just his way of saying "not yet"; come 2024 or 2028 he'll have changed his tune.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on December 30, 2016, 04:32:27 pm
Could be relevant.

Sarah D. Wire ‏@sarahdwire  12m12 minutes ago
.@KamalaHarris picks former Clinton campaign spox Lily Adams (@adamslily) as her communications director.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: SCNCmod on December 30, 2016, 04:37:54 pm
Amy just doesn't seem that exciting of a candidate for President.

I think she is one of the most competent... and would do a great job... But I agree.

I think 2020 will need a Dem ticket that seems fresh & a bit more exciting.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on December 30, 2016, 10:23:03 pm
I don't get why people are talking up Newsom. Is he going to announce his presidential run in his inaugural address for Governor?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: SCNCmod on December 31, 2016, 12:15:46 am
I don't get why people are talking up Newsom. Is he going to announce his presidential run in his inaugural address for Governor?

Somehow I never knew that he was married to Kimberly Guilfoyle... I now know what she hates Dems so much (Newsom cheated on her).  jk.. sort of


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on December 31, 2016, 05:49:45 am
I don't get why people are talking up Newsom. Is he going to announce his presidential run in his inaugural address for Governor?

Somehow I never knew that he was married to Kimberly Guilfoyle... I now know what she hates Dems so much (Newsom cheated on her).  jk.. sort of

His current wife was once registered American Independent Party, LOL.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: ATG on December 31, 2016, 08:44:57 am
I don't get why people are talking up Newsom. Is he going to announce his presidential run in his inaugural address for Governor?

Somehow I never knew that he was married to Kimberly Guilfoyle... I now know what she hates Dems so much (Newsom cheated on her).  jk.. sort of

His current wife was once registered American Independent Party, LOL.

Clearly he's a great bi-partisan uniter who can get into bed with the opposition ;)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Confused Democrat on January 01, 2017, 07:16:49 pm
I don't get why people are talking up Newsom. Is he going to announce his presidential run in his inaugural address for Governor?

It's because Bill Maher recently said in an interview that he wanted him to run in 2020.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Fuzzy Bear on January 02, 2017, 03:45:14 pm
Amy just doesn't seem that exciting of a candidate for President.

I think she is one of the most competent... and would do a great job... But I agree.

I think 2020 will need a Dem ticket that seems fresh & a bit more exciting.

Klobuchar would have beaten Trump; she'd have carried MI and WI.

Trump could never have attacked Klobuchar like he did Hillary and gotten away with it.  Klobuchar had none of the baggage Hillary had.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 02, 2017, 11:26:54 pm
Warren is already making fundraising pitches for 2018 Senate Dems:

link (http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2017/01/warren_fundraising_for_democrats_in_2018_midterm_elections)

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U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Warren is flexing her fundraising muscles on behalf of fellow Senate Democrats as she looks ahead to the 2018 elections.

Warren sent an email to supporters Friday calling on them to donate to Wisconsin Sen. Tammy Baldwin and Ohio Sen. Sherrod Brown.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on January 03, 2017, 01:01:03 am
Just wait until after the Democratic primary for NH Gov in 2018. Suddenly it will seem like the most important governorship in the country.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Polarized Elastic Libertarian MT Treasurer on January 03, 2017, 01:06:34 am
Just wait until after the Democratic primary for NH Gov in 2018. Suddenly it will seem like the most important governorship in the country.

Stefany Shaheen or Ann Kuster for president?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on January 03, 2017, 02:03:39 am
Just wait until after the Democratic primary for NH Gov in 2018. Suddenly it will seem like the most important governorship in the country.

Stefany Shaheen or Ann Kuster for president?

Nah as in all the potential Dem candidates will be stopping by. Though, Shaheen does have certain...qualities...that would make her more likely to win nationwide than someone like Kuster.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 03, 2017, 08:55:29 am
Warren is already making fundraising pitches for 2018 Senate Dems:

link (http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2017/01/warren_fundraising_for_democrats_in_2018_midterm_elections)

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U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Warren is flexing her fundraising muscles on behalf of fellow Senate Democrats as she looks ahead to the 2018 elections.

Warren sent an email to supporters Friday calling on them to donate to Wisconsin Sen. Tammy Baldwin and Ohio Sen. Sherrod Brown.


Looks like she's pitching for Hirono too:

http://www.civilbeat.org/2017/01/warren-makes-pitch-for-hirono/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Kylar on January 03, 2017, 02:33:45 pm
Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Ann Warren, 71 years old in 2020, from Oklahoma originally, United Methodist running in 2020?
I don't know if I would vote for her, but I think she is going to run.
Whether she wins or not is anyone's guess.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 03, 2017, 03:41:01 pm
Could be relevant.

Sarah D. Wire ‏@sarahdwire  12m12 minutes ago
.@KamalaHarris picks former Clinton campaign spox Lily Adams (@adamslily) as her communications director.

According to this:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/hillary-clinton-campaign-staff-growing-219638

it looks like she was the Clinton campaign's spokeswoman for Iowa (during the IA caucus campaign), then moved to NY when the race went national:

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The cramped Brooklyn headquarters is getting more crowded as the campaign focuses on the busy March calendar and begins to grow its operation. Another recent addition to the headquarters team is Lily Adams, who served as communications director for Iowa. Adams moved from Des Moines to New York after the Iowa caucuses and now oversees the communications strategy for the March states.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 04, 2017, 10:47:35 am
And now Mark Zuckerberg....

http://www.newsweek.com/mark-zuckerberg-president-2020-facebook-white-house-538386?rx=us

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Zuckerberg has regularly publicized his New Year’s resolutions in recent years—learning Mandarin, running 365 miles, reading 25 books—and 2017’s involves doing a tour of the U.S. with the stated aim of making “the most positive impact as the world enters an important new period.”

The 32-year-old billionaire hopes by the end of the year to have visited and met people in every U.S. state. The pledge comes after court documents revealed that Zuckerberg has made provisions to keep control of Facebook if he works for the government, leading to speculation that he plans to someday run for president.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on January 04, 2017, 11:49:24 am
I don't get why people are talking up Newsom. Is he going to announce his presidential run in his inaugural address for Governor?

...and even if he was elected Governor in, say, 2014, and had enough experience on the job to mount a national campaign, he's still DLC trash who would get ripped to shreds in the primary.

I often hear this, but what exactly is wrong with him? Honest question, I'm not defending him, just curious.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on January 04, 2017, 01:43:13 pm
And now Mark Zuckerberg....

http://www.newsweek.com/mark-zuckerberg-president-2020-facebook-white-house-538386?rx=us

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Zuckerberg has regularly publicized his New Year’s resolutions in recent years—learning Mandarin, running 365 miles, reading 25 books—and 2017’s involves doing a tour of the U.S. with the stated aim of making “the most positive impact as the world enters an important new period.”

The 32-year-old billionaire hopes by the end of the year to have visited and met people in every U.S. state. The pledge comes after court documents revealed that Zuckerberg has made provisions to keep control of Facebook if he works for the government, leading to speculation that he plans to someday run for president.


With $49.3 Billion and direct control of one of the largest social media platforms, he'd certainly have some advantages. Maybe he would run as an Independent, since he's apparently donated money to Booker, Schumer, and Pelosi, but also Boehner, Ryan, Rubio, and Hatch. He certainly has the money necessary to self-fund an Indy run.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on January 04, 2017, 01:45:58 pm
Booker does a 1 on 1 with WMUR's Political Director.

Josh McElveen (WMUR) ‏@JoshWMUR  35m35 minutes ago
1on1 with @CoryBooker on GOP majority, "They're the dog that caught the car, they don't know what to do" #nhpolitics


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: henster on January 04, 2017, 01:48:39 pm
I don't get why people are talking up Newsom. Is he going to announce his presidential run in his inaugural address for Governor?

It's because Bill Maher recently said in an interview that he wanted him to run in 2020.

Absolutely, 'Crooked Klobuchar' would have never stuck like Crooked Hillary, Klobuchar has no shady foundation or private email you can associate with. None of the prospective candidates besides Cuomo has the amount of baggage that Hillary had.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 04, 2017, 02:21:49 pm
Booker does a 1 on 1 with WMUR's Political Director.

Josh McElveen (WMUR) ‏@JoshWMUR  35m35 minutes ago
1on1 with @CoryBooker on GOP majority, "They're the dog that caught the car, they don't know what to do" #nhpolitics


I know that you know this, but for the benefit of anyone who doesn't, WMUR is a New Hampshire TV station.  Looks like McElveen was in DC to cover the new Congress, but still interesting that Booker was willing to do an interview with him.  I presume that Booker doesn't normally do interviews with TV stations from Rhode Island or Vermont.  New Hampshire's early state status is of course a factor.

https://twitter.com/JoshWMUR/status/816708135155073024


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: ❤️❤️❤️ on January 04, 2017, 03:49:46 pm
I don't get why people are talking up Newsom. Is he going to announce his presidential run in his inaugural address for Governor?

...and even if he was elected Governor in, say, 2014, and had enough experience on the job to mount a national campaign, he's still DLC trash who would get ripped to shreds in the primary.

I often hear this, but what exactly is wrong with him? Honest question, I'm not defending him, just curious.

muh neoliberal DLCer. Not a true progressivetm.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 04, 2017, 06:43:56 pm
Biden’s post-VP plans:

http://www.startribune.com/apnewsbreak-biden-plans-university-of-delaware-partnership/409700435/

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Vice President Joe Biden is developing a partnership with the University of Delaware that will focus on economic and domestic policy, a Biden aide said Wednesday, rounding out the vice president's plans for after he leaves the White House.

In addition to working with the Delaware school, Biden's alma mater, he also plans an affiliation with the University of Pennsylvania. The Ivy League school in the state of his birth will house Biden's activities on foreign policy and global engagement initiatives, said the aide, who requested anonymity because the partnership hasn't yet been publicly announced.

The two partnerships shed new light on how Biden will spend his time as a private citizen after more than four decades in public office. First elected to the Senate in 1972, Biden served there until becoming the vice president in 2009.

In other news, Biden hearts early primary state South Carolina:

http://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/article124446934.html

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Vice President Joe Biden is open about his love for the Palmetto State. He proved it again Tuesday, when he told SC Sen. Tim Scott “When I die, I want to be reborn in Charleston.”

Biden made the comment when Scott was sworn in Tuesday for a full term in the U.S. Senate after the 2016 election. The moment was captured by C-SPAN cameras.
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Biden is a frequent visitor to South Carolina. He often vacations on Kiawah Island. He also told Scott he called SC Gov. Nikki Haley the night she was nominated for UN ambassador by President-Elect Donald Trump.

“I like her a lot. I met her whole family," Biden said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on January 04, 2017, 07:06:02 pm
I don't get why people are talking up Newsom. Is he going to announce his presidential run in his inaugural address for Governor?

...and even if he was elected Governor in, say, 2014, and had enough experience on the job to mount a national campaign, he's still DLC trash who would get ripped to shreds in the primary.

I often hear this, but what exactly is wrong with him? Honest question, I'm not defending him, just curious.

muh neoliberal DLCer. Not a true progressivetm.

I think there are some legitimate reasons to dislike Newsom, but I forget what they are.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: kyc0705 on January 04, 2017, 08:46:21 pm
And now Mark Zuckerberg....

http://www.newsweek.com/mark-zuckerberg-president-2020-facebook-white-house-538386?rx=us

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Zuckerberg has regularly publicized his New Year’s resolutions in recent years—learning Mandarin, running 365 miles, reading 25 books—and 2017’s involves doing a tour of the U.S. with the stated aim of making “the most positive impact as the world enters an important new period.”

The 32-year-old billionaire hopes by the end of the year to have visited and met people in every U.S. state. The pledge comes after court documents revealed that Zuckerberg has made provisions to keep control of Facebook if he works for the government, leading to speculation that he plans to someday run for president.


With $49.3 Billion and direct control of one of the largest social media platforms, he'd certainly have some advantages. Maybe he would run as an Independent, since he's apparently donated money to Booker, Schumer, and Pelosi, but also Boehner, Ryan, Rubio, and Hatch. He certainly has the money necessary to self-fund an Indy run.

I don't know if I would vote for Zuckerberg, but it would be interesting to see what his campaign would look like. He'd also get bonus points from me for being able to mount a prominent third-party campaign.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 04, 2017, 09:43:11 pm
Dan Malloy has been reelected as chair of the DGA:

http://www.courant.com/politics/hc-malloy-dga-chair-again-20161205-story.html

I don’t know if Malloy actually has presidential ambitions, but DGA chair is a job that gives you an excuse to travel around the country raising money, and many past DGA and RGA chairs have gone on to run for president.

Malloy has made several trips to both Iowa and New Hampshire in the past year and a half. 

More Malloy talk here:

http://www.courant.com/politics/hc-malloy-third-term-20161213-story.html

Apparently, he actually might try running for a third term for governor.  Granted, his job approval is in the 20s, so this seems like a rather risky gambit.

Also talking national issues...

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On a regular basis in recent weeks, Malloy has gone out of his way to blast nominees announced by Trump, including saying that former Texas Gov. Rick Perry is "unqualified and over-opinionated" as the next federal energy secretary.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on January 04, 2017, 09:49:20 pm
Malloy isn't going to run for anything anytime soon. If he runs for Governor again, which I really doubt he will, he would probably face a primary challenge. If he survived that, he'd probably hand the state to a Republican.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: arjavrawal on January 05, 2017, 03:39:29 am
My best guess is that Malloy loses to..maybe Ned Lamont? George Jepsen? Perhaps even Nancy Wyman. But if he somehow squeaks by a primary challenge, he loses to a Republican in 2018 for sure. Third time the charm for Foley?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 05, 2017, 02:21:13 pm
Here’s a lengthy story on Tulsi Gabbard:

http://www.midweek.com/tulsi/

At the end of the story, it says that she and her husband (they were married in 2015) want to have children.  Presumably this may impact the chances of her running for national office in 2020.  Also:

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So how far does Gabbard see her star rising?

For the foreseeable future, no farther than the U.S. House of Representatives. She disavows any interest in an oft-rumored challenge to Mazie Hirono in 2018. “I think Mazie and Brian are doing a good job,” she says.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Kalwejt on January 05, 2017, 02:23:57 pm
And now Mark Zuckerberg....

http://www.newsweek.com/mark-zuckerberg-president-2020-facebook-white-house-538386?rx=us

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Zuckerberg has regularly publicized his New Year’s resolutions in recent years—learning Mandarin, running 365 miles, reading 25 books—and 2017’s involves doing a tour of the U.S. with the stated aim of making “the most positive impact as the world enters an important new period.”

25? I'd be ashamed to post something like this.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 05, 2017, 02:47:26 pm
Here are some events over the next few months to watch for possible appearances by 2020 presidential candidates:

Jan. 21: Iowa’s Inaugural ball in DC: http://www.iowasociety.com
This has been attended by aspiring presidential candidates in the past.  However, since Trump is the guy being inaugurated, looks like this may only draw Republicans, as all of the featured guests are Iowa Republicans.  So probably no 2020 Dems this time.  But maybe Amash or Cruz will show up…

Feb. 22-25: CPAC: http://cpac.conservative.org
Presumably only for Republicans.  And again, Trump will presumably draw few if any high profile primary challenges when/if he runs for reelection, so maybe not so exciting this time.

Feb. 23-26: Winter DNC meeting in Atlanta: http://demrulz.org/news/dnc-elections-feb-2017-faqs
This is when the DNC will elect its new chair, and fill other positions.  It’s possible some high profile Dems, maybe including 2020ers, will show up to speak.

March 2017 (exact date TBD): Gridiron Club Dinner
Aspiring presidential candidates are often invited to this.  Last year, Nikki Haley, Joe Biden, and both Castro brothers were all there.

April 2017 (exact date TBD): Shaheen-McIntyre fundraising dinner in NH: http://www.nh1.com/news/2020-watch-nhdp-to-hold-shaheen-mcintyre-dinner-in-april/

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The New Hampshire Democratic Party will hold its annual McIntyre-Shaheen 100 Club Dinner in April, NH1 News has learned.

The dinner, named for current two-term Sen. and former three-term Gov. Jeanne Shaheen and the late Sen. Tom McIntyre, is one two annual major Democratic fundraising events in the Granite State.
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This year’s event may be the first opportunity for a Democrat mulling a possible bid for the party’s next presidential nomination to land some very early face time in one of the most important primary states.

Sources tell NH1 News that decisions on who will be invited to speak at the dinner will be determined after the Democratic National Committee holds its vote for chair in late February.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 05, 2017, 04:35:40 pm
Btw, since I just posted a Tulsi Gabbard article a few posts ago, I might as well mention that I did find that Gabbard did make at least one Iowa visit within the last two years: She was there in July 2015 for the Polk County Democrat Women’s Event:

https://www.facebook.com/events/795882000509435/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 06, 2017, 05:58:35 pm
Surprising no one, Warren announces that she's running for reelection in 2018:

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2017/01/06/elizabeth-warren-announces-she-running-for-election-massachusetts/e7916Kf6ncAFajK7JD7SMO/story.html?event=event25

As the story notes, this doesn't really make her less likely to run for president in 2020, as sitting Senators run for president all the time.  It's easy enough to become an absentee Senator and spend all your time campaigning rather than legislating.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 06, 2017, 06:46:21 pm
Kerry doesn't rule out a run.  (https://twitter.com/JenGriffinFNC/status/817507387519172609)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 06, 2017, 06:49:30 pm
Kerry doesn't rule out a run.  (https://twitter.com/JenGriffinFNC/status/817507387519172609)

Hey, he'll "only" be 76 on election day 2020.  Younger than both Biden and Sanders!  :P


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 07, 2017, 05:26:26 pm
Sunday morning talk show watch: Booker will be on Face the Nation tomorrow:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEWS_SHOWS?SITE=AP


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on January 07, 2017, 05:28:23 pm
At this point, it's pretty obvious Cory Booker is going to run for President in 2020.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: houseonaboat on January 08, 2017, 04:12:43 pm
At this point, it's pretty obvious Cory Booker is going to run for President in 2020.

How so? Every Senator's trying to get on the Sunday morning circuit; by that standard, Chris Murphy will also be running


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 08, 2017, 04:13:00 pm
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/08/politics/hillary-clinton-new-york-neera-tanden/

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Hillary Clinton confidante Neera Tanden says she doesn't expect Clinton to run for New York City mayor -- or anything else, ever again.

"I think she's going to figure out ways to help kids and families. That's been what she's been focused on her whole life, and a lot of issues that are affecting them, over the next couple of years," Tanden told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union" Sunday.

"But I don't expect her to ever run for any elected office again," she said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on January 08, 2017, 07:15:12 pm
At this point, it's pretty obvious Cory Booker is going to run for President in 2020.

How so? Every Senator's trying to get on the Sunday morning circuit; by that standard, Chris Murphy will also be running

Booker has made other moves indicating it as well, and has been openly coy about a run in a very candidate-like manner, while Murphy's people have been dismissive on an occasion.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 09, 2017, 11:49:02 am
I don’t think has been mentioned here yet, but this story mentions that when Castro leaves his post at HUD this month, and goes back to San Antonio, he’s going to work on writing his memoir:

http://iowapublicradio.org/post/huds-castro-worries-housing-rule-could-be-rolled-back#stream/0

So we have that to look forward to.  Digging into the internet memory hole, it looks like he signed a book deal way back in 2012:

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/nov/14/entertainment/la-et-jc-julian-castro-gets-a-book-deal-20121114

In April 2014, the NYT said that his book was scheduled to come out in 2015:

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/16/us/politics/texas-twins-campaign-but-they-arent-sure-for-what.html?_r=0

but that was just before he was picked by Obama to lead HUD.  So I guess the book never came out?  Because I can’t find it on Amazon.  I guess HUD derailed his book plans for a while, but maybe we’ll get it later this year.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 09, 2017, 09:02:34 pm
Booker  (https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/818634083857289219)will testify against Sessions at Judiciary, apparently the first time a senator has testified against a fellow sitting senator for Cabinet.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Progressive on January 10, 2017, 07:41:40 am
http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/09/nyregion/new-york-governor-andrew-cuomo.html

Andrew Cuomo Raises His Profile, Stirring Talk of a 2020 Run


I think it's pretty clear Gov. Cuomo is running, too.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Pandaguineapig on January 10, 2017, 08:51:06 am
Booker  (https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/818634083857289219)will testify against Sessions at Judiciary, apparently the first time a senator has testified against a fellow sitting senator for Cabinet.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RandyEBarnett/status/818680894177296384

Booker's virtue signalling not the far left is probably a sign that he is in


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Fusionmunster on January 10, 2017, 09:26:51 am
Booker  (https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/818634083857289219)will testify against Sessions at Judiciary, apparently the first time a senator has testified against a fellow sitting senator for Cabinet.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RandyEBarnett/status/818680894177296384

Booker's virtue signalling not the far left is probably a sign that he is in

I shouldn't have to explain the difference in power between senator from Alabama and Attorney General.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Pandaguineapig on January 10, 2017, 09:44:50 am
Booker  (https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/818634083857289219)will testify against Sessions at Judiciary, apparently the first time a senator has testified against a fellow sitting senator for Cabinet.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RandyEBarnett/status/818680894177296384

Booker's virtue signalling not the far left is probably a sign that he is in

I shouldn't have to explain the difference in power between senator from Alabama and Attorney General.
Give me a break, liberals would be doing the same pant-sh*tting if he nominated a moderate


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Fusionmunster on January 10, 2017, 10:14:15 am
Booker  (https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/818634083857289219)will testify against Sessions at Judiciary, apparently the first time a senator has testified against a fellow sitting senator for Cabinet.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RandyEBarnett/status/818680894177296384

Booker's virtue signalling not the far left is probably a sign that he is in

I shouldn't have to explain the difference in power between senator from Alabama and Attorney General.
Give me a break, liberals would be doing the same pant-sh*tting if he nominated a moderate

Hell no we wouldn't. Do I need to remind you why Sessions failed to get confirmed last time?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Pandaguineapig on January 10, 2017, 10:42:00 am
Booker  (https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/818634083857289219)will testify against Sessions at Judiciary, apparently the first time a senator has testified against a fellow sitting senator for Cabinet.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RandyEBarnett/status/818680894177296384

Booker's virtue signalling not the far left is probably a sign that he is in

I shouldn't have to explain the difference in power between senator from Alabama and Attorney General.
Give me a break, liberals would be doing the same pant-sh*tting if he nominated a moderate

Hell no we wouldn't. Do I need to remind you why Sessions failed to get confirmed last time?
The allegations against him were never substantiated and several senators including Arlen Spector later stated thatvthey regretted voting against his nomination


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Progressive on January 10, 2017, 07:23:31 pm
Honestly, once it was clear on election night that Trump was chosen to be president by the electoral college, I was hoping for an AG Chris Christie or something. Sessions is different. He's a fringe, rabid extremist.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Let Dogs Survive on January 10, 2017, 07:38:50 pm
Booker  (https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/818634083857289219)will testify against Sessions at Judiciary, apparently the first time a senator has testified against a fellow sitting senator for Cabinet.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RandyEBarnett/status/818680894177296384

Booker's virtue signalling not the far left is probably a sign that he is in

I shouldn't have to explain the difference in power between senator from Alabama and Attorney General.
Give me a break, liberals would be doing the same pant-sh*tting if he nominated a moderate

Fair's fair, after all the actual moderates Obama nominated but were dismissed by pearl clutching conservatives....including oh, an SC nominee.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on January 10, 2017, 09:40:39 pm
Politico: "Trump laying the groundwork for 2020 reelection bid"

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Donald Trump plans to keep his Manhattan-based campaign headquarters open as he assumes the presidency – a move that represents a sharp break from his predecessors, and one that positions him to begin running for reelection in 2020.

According to three people briefed on the plans, Trump intends to retain a skeletal campaign staff of around ten people with a senior aide at the helm. They will work in Trump Tower, the Midtown skyscraper that Trump’s 2016 campaign was based out of.

The office will be overseen by Michael Glassner, a veteran Republican strategist and top campaign adviser who has frequently been spotted at Trump Tower in recent weeks. Two other Trump aides, Sean Dollman and John Pence, who is the nephew of Vice President-elect Mike Pence, are also on the team.

They will focus largely on data building and fundraising, critical components of a prospective reelection bid that is still far off.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/donald-trump-campaign-reelection-233440


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on January 10, 2017, 10:52:04 pm
Chan Zuckerberg Initiative taps former Obama, Bush campaign managers (http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/01/10/chan-zuckerberg-initiative-taps-former-obama-bush-campaign-managers/)

I think this can be placed here.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Pandaguineapig on January 10, 2017, 11:01:56 pm
Honestly, once it was clear on election night that Trump was chosen to be president by the electoral college, I was hoping for an AG Chris Christie or something. Sessions is different. He's a fringe, rabid extremist.
Christie certainly would be more moderate but he would struggle to get 30 votes to confirm him


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Vosem on January 11, 2017, 12:21:03 am
I don't get why people are talking up Newsom. Is he going to announce his presidential run in his inaugural address for Governor?

...and even if he was elected Governor in, say, 2014, and had enough experience on the job to mount a national campaign, he's still DLC trash who would get ripped to shreds in the primary.

So, like the majority of the primary electorate?

Amusing how virtually all the candidates who are signaling interest (Booker, Cuomo, Zuckerberg) are from what is seen as the "neoliberal" wing of the party.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 11, 2017, 01:42:57 pm
Sherrod Brown, Amy Klobuchar, and Claire McCaskill are all asked about running for president in 2020:

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/313666-cory-booker-kicks-off-2020-maneuvering-in-the-senate

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When asked about her interest in running for president, Klobuchar on Tuesday quickly ducked into the Senate Democratic lunch, telling a reporter, “I’ve got to eat food.”

Later she said, “I’m representing Minnesota in the Senate, and we haven’t even sworn in this president.”

“I’m not thinking about that at all,” said Klobuchar, who recently decided against a run for governor.
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Brown on Tuesday said he is running for a full Senate term in 2018 and is not interested in vying for the Democratic presidential nomination two years later.

“I have no interest. I want to do this,” he told The Hill, referring to his Senate job.

McCaskill said she also plans to serve a full six-year term if reelected next year.

“Yeah, I don’t think that’s a problem,” she said. “I don’t think that’s an issue at all. I’d be more worried about a problem with my family’s health than I would be running for president.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Spenstar on January 12, 2017, 09:34:29 am
Sherrod Brown, Amy Klobuchar, and Claire McCaskill are all asked about running for president in 2020:

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/313666-cory-booker-kicks-off-2020-maneuvering-in-the-senate

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When asked about her interest in running for president, Klobuchar on Tuesday quickly ducked into the Senate Democratic lunch, telling a reporter, “I’ve got to eat food.”

Later she said, “I’m representing Minnesota in the Senate, and we haven’t even sworn in this president.”

“I’m not thinking about that at all,” said Klobuchar, who recently decided against a run for governor.
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Brown on Tuesday said he is running for a full Senate term in 2018 and is not interested in vying for the Democratic presidential nomination two years later.

“I have no interest. I want to do this,” he told The Hill, referring to his Senate job.


McCaskill said she also plans to serve a full six-year term if reelected next year.

“Yeah, I don’t think that’s a problem,” she said. “I don’t think that’s an issue at all. I’d be more worried about a problem with my family’s health than I would be running for president.”


NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on January 12, 2017, 03:02:38 pm
Sherrod Brown, Amy Klobuchar, and Claire McCaskill are all asked about running for president in 2020:

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/313666-cory-booker-kicks-off-2020-maneuvering-in-the-senate

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When asked about her interest in running for president, Klobuchar on Tuesday quickly ducked into the Senate Democratic lunch, telling a reporter, “I’ve got to eat food.”

Later she said, “I’m representing Minnesota in the Senate, and we haven’t even sworn in this president.”

“I’m not thinking about that at all,” said Klobuchar, who recently decided against a run for governor.
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Brown on Tuesday said he is running for a full Senate term in 2018 and is not interested in vying for the Democratic presidential nomination two years later.

“I have no interest. I want to do this,” he told The Hill, referring to his Senate job.


McCaskill said she also plans to serve a full six-year term if reelected next year.

“Yeah, I don’t think that’s a problem,” she said. “I don’t think that’s an issue at all. I’d be more worried about a problem with my family’s health than I would be running for president.”


NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Not exactly a Shermanesque statement.

He's in a tough re-election battle, and looking like he's about to run for President the whole time is not a good image to have.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 12, 2017, 03:06:28 pm
Booker votes no on the Mattis waiver.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Shadows on January 13, 2017, 12:08:11 am
Booker votes no on the Mattis waiver.

He knew it was gonna lose in a landslide, that showboat !


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: morgieb on January 13, 2017, 08:56:46 am
Chan Zuckerberg Initiative taps former Obama, Bush campaign managers (http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/01/10/chan-zuckerberg-initiative-taps-former-obama-bush-campaign-managers/)

I think this can be placed here.
If the next election is Zuckerberg vs. Trump America deserves to be nuked.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 13, 2017, 06:05:11 pm
Sunday morning talk show watch: Sanders will be on ABC's "This Week" on Sunday:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEWS_SHOWS?SITE=AP


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 14, 2017, 03:12:10 pm
Gillibrand is joining the Women's March on Washington on the 21st:

https://twitter.com/SenGillibrand/status/820008482095108100

And it looks like Warren will be participating in a parallel "Women's March" event in Boston:

http://bostonwomensmarchforamerica.org/senator-warren-ag-healey-mayor-walsh-local-advocates-join-boston-march-justice-equal-rights/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Kingpoleon on January 14, 2017, 07:23:31 pm
Sherrod Brown, Amy Klobuchar, and Claire McCaskill are all asked about running for president in 2020:

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/313666-cory-booker-kicks-off-2020-maneuvering-in-the-senate

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When asked about her interest in running for president, Klobuchar on Tuesday quickly ducked into the Senate Democratic lunch, telling a reporter, “I’ve got to eat food.”

Later she said, “I’m representing Minnesota in the Senate, and we haven’t even sworn in this president.”

“I’m not thinking about that at all,” said Klobuchar, who recently decided against a run for governor.
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Brown on Tuesday said he is running for a full Senate term in 2018 and is not interested in vying for the Democratic presidential nomination two years later.

“I have no interest. I want to do this,” he told The Hill, referring to his Senate job.


McCaskill said she also plans to serve a full six-year term if reelected next year.

“Yeah, I don’t think that’s a problem,” she said. “I don’t think that’s an issue at all. I’d be more worried about a problem with my family’s health than I would be running for president.”


NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Don't worry. I'm sure McCaskill will run.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: JoshPA on January 14, 2017, 07:25:46 pm
Jim lewis 2020? even if trump get a term limit plan that would have tem out of the house by 2020?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 15, 2017, 10:05:49 am
Martin O'Malley speaks at the Utah Democratic Party's annual gala, and is asked about 2020:

http://www.sltrib.com/home/4817948-155/former-presidential-candidate-omalley-tells-utah

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Is O'Malley running for president in 2020? "I just might be," he told the Tribune. "It's too early to make a decision like that. But leadership is important… I think you will see a lot more room for the voice of new candidates in the coming year than we had in the last year."

O'Malley's actually rare among 2020 Dems in that he's publicly admitted that he's a "maybe".  Ask most of the others, especially those currently holding public office like Warren or Booker, and their answer is that "it's too soon" to even ask questions like that.  Which also isn't a denial, but saying "maybe" at least acknowledges that it's something you're thinking about.

Also note here that O'Malley is continuing his pattern of using more hyperbolic language to describe Trump than most of the other 2020ers tend to use:

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Before keynoting the Utah Democratic Party's annual gala, former presidential candidate and Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley said Donald Trump ran a "fascist candidacy based on racist fear and Russian help" that "should never be legitimized."

As I said in the thread on this, most Democratic governors or Democrats in Congress aren't using the "f-word" (fascist) wrt Trump.  But O'Malley does it often these days.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on January 15, 2017, 10:11:45 am
I think it's pretty clear that O'Malley, Cuomo, and Booker are in. Klobuchar probably as well. Not sure about anyone else.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 15, 2017, 10:18:49 am
I think it's pretty clear that O'Malley, Cuomo, and Booker are in. Klobuchar probably as well. Not sure about anyone else.

I always find it hilarious when they say they're not thinking about it yet.  As I said upthread, last week Klobuchar said (re: the 2020 presidential election) “I’m not thinking about that at all.”

Yeah, right.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: History505 on January 15, 2017, 10:32:36 am
Yep, pretty sure O'Malley is going to run, he is eager and patiently waiting. Do you think he would do better in 2020 if he does run?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on January 15, 2017, 12:16:48 pm
Yep, pretty sure O'Malley is going to run, he is eager and patiently waiting. Do you think he would do better in 2020 if he does run?

He'd probably somehow do even worse, as there will be likely be more than 3 candidates left by Iowa this time (all of whom will be better candidates than him).


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 15, 2017, 01:59:19 pm
A big story regarding Zuckerberg for prez….though it says that a 2024 run is seen as more likely than a 2020 run:

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/01/will-mark-zuckerberg-be-our-next-president

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First, let’s zip through the myriad indications that he might choose to throw his hoodie into the ring. Last year’s Facebook proxy statement articulated that Zuckerberg can run for office and still maintain control of his company. (To this end, Trump’s controversial precedent may facilitate any thorny political complications regarding the matter.) Then, over the holidays, Zuckerberg responded to a question about being an atheist, a belief he once professed, with a decidedly more politically circumspect answer: “I was raised Jewish and then I went through a period where I questioned things, but now I believe religion is very important.” (No one likes a president who doesn’t believe in some sort of God.) More recently, President Obama’s former campaign manager, David Plouffe, joined the philanthropic Chan Zuckerberg Initiative, to lead policy and advocacy. Other politicians from both parties have also joined the organization. And then there was the most obvious intimation: earlier this year, Zuckerberg, who has a habit of posting his annual New Year’s resolution on his Facebook page, declared that after conquering the previous challenges of learning Mandarin, and building an artificial-intelligence butler for his home, this year he was going to meet “people in every state in the US.” He noted that he’s “spent significant time in many states already, so I’ll need to travel to about 30 states this year to complete this challenge.” I wonder how many of those states are swing states?
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When I’ve asked people in Silicon Valley if a Zuckerberg bid is potentially real, the consensus seems to be: absolutely. “He’s been incredibly careful about cultivating a specific type of persona over the past few years,” one person said. And he’s managed to set himself apart from other tech titans. (For example, while Bezos, Musk, Cook, and others made a pilgrimage to Trump’s table last month, Zuckerberg sent his second in command, Sheryl Sandberg.) If you ask me, Zuckerberg’s biggest problem is that he’s not the most sociable. He sticks to himself and his company, doesn’t entertain people outside his very tight circle of friends and associates, and appears to be more socially awkward than Howard Hughes. But, he also clearly isn’t driven by money—he’s the sixth-richest person in the world and has vowed to donate most of his wealth. He wants something bigger. Something that gives him more impact and influence on the planet.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 15, 2017, 02:19:34 pm
Biden was on The View on (I think) Friday, and was asked about 2020 again.  Here’s the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DybXhH2PKx0

Go to about the 17:10 mark to see the question being put to him.  He says that in early December when he said he was running, he was joking, and now says “I have no intention of running for president”, which is the same formulation he used about a month ago to walk back his supposed declaration of candidacy:

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=233345.msg5427153#msg5427153

Of course, as I said then, “I have no intention” falls short of a Shermanesque denial.  Fastforward to the 29:45 mark on the video, and Biden is asked “You said never say never about 2020, right?”, and Biden just smiles and says nothing.

In any case, note that he talks about how he says he’s going to keep on his primary VP staffers after he leaves DC, and goes to work for the University of Delaware and the University of Pennsylvania:

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"I am going to have a full-blown staff, leading people in the country, on cancer care, on foreign policy, on domestic policy, and violence against women, and I’m going to run an entire operation out of the University of Delaware where if you name the 10 best people in the country on this, three of them will be working full time for me.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: JoshPA on January 15, 2017, 04:22:17 pm
Yep, pretty sure O'Malley is going to run, he is eager and patiently waiting. Do you think he would do better in 2020 if he does run?
No


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: JoshPA on January 15, 2017, 04:27:08 pm
in dems news rocky-de-la-fuente declare he running in 2020
in third party news Austin petersen is looking into running for senate in 2018 as a republican so he outs for the libertarian party.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 16, 2017, 10:27:57 am
Cuomo tries to downplay 2020 talk:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/cuomo-2020-presidential-run-rumors-flattering-untrue-article-1.2946931

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Gov. Cuomo dismissed chatter about a prospective 2020 presidential bid Sunday, saying that "the rumor is flattering, even if not true."

"I'm running for reelection as governor in 2018. I hope that I am blessed by the people of this state with a chance to continue to serve," Cuomo, who has been touted as a possible Democratic contender to take on Donald Trump in four years, told John Catsimatidis on the "Cats Roundtable" radio program on AM 970 in New York.

"We have a lot of good things going on right now and I want to make sure that we finish what we started," Cuomo added. "So, that's the only plan that I have now, but the rumor is flattering, even if not true."

Though again, that’s not a Shermanesque denial.  He’s once again saying that his only *current* plan is to run for reelection for governor.  But that hardly precludes the possibility of him also choosing to run for president at some point in the future, even in the middle of his next term as governor.

Meanwhile, Booker spoke this morning at a breakfast hosted by Al Sharpton’s National Action Network:

http://www.northjersey.com/story/news/new-jersey/2017/01/15/booker-join-trump-protest-groups-mlk-breakfast/96621678/

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Sen. Cory Booker will speak at a Martin Luther King Day breakfast in Washington on Monday organized by the Rev. Al Sharpton's National Action Network, the group that led a pre-inauguration protest march calling for ractial justice over the weekend.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2TKepGVEAEYlSR.jpg)

Finally, the AP has a recap of Elizabeth Warren’s multi-pronged opposition to Trump:

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/01/15/warren-prepares-for-the-spotlight-as-trumps-top-democratic-foil.html

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Donald Trump’s election has propelled Sen. Elizabeth Warren into an even sharper partisan spotlight as she embraces her role as a top Democratic foil to the Republican president-elect.

In just the past few weeks, Warren has penned a scathing 16-page critique of Trump’s nominee for education secretary, Betsy DeVos; grilled his pick for housing secretary, Ben Carson; co-sponsored legislation requiring the president and vice-president to disclose and divest any potential financial conflicts of interest; and signed onto legislation to block the creation of a federal religious registry.

The Massachusetts Democrat is leaning on every lever of power she has — from her fundraising prowess to her social media accounts — to position herself as a leading voice of a party in political exile.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 16, 2017, 10:41:28 am
And I see that Wikipedia has now stupidly moved Biden and Cuomo to the "declined candidates" category on the 2020 presidential election Wikipedia page, based on their recent "denials of interest", just like they did for Brown and Gillibrand.  All four are cases where they're really non-denials.

The pattern seems to be this:

-A potential candidate gives a non-denial, saying something like "I have no plans to run", which isn't a real denial, since almost all of them say something like that, and not "having plans" at this early stage doesn't mean anything.

-About four or five different news stories are written about the non-denial, with one of those stories usually being written by a journalist who doesn't understand how non-denials work, and so they write the story as if it's a real denial.

-Wikipedia latches onto that one story that portrays it as a real denial, and uses that as a "source" to move the candidate in question to the "declined" category.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 16, 2017, 01:40:27 pm
Gillibrand is joining the Women's March on Washington on the 21st:

https://twitter.com/SenGillibrand/status/820008482095108100

Looks like Gillibrand also marched with an Al Sharpton-led protest on Saturday:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/thousands-of-protesters-already-descending-on-dc-for-inauguration/article/2611829

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On Saturday, the Rev. Al Sharpton will lead protesters from the National Sylvan Theater traveling along Independence Avenue toward West Potomac Park opposite the Martin Luther King Jr. Memorial. The National Park Service, which issues permits for gatherings of more than 25 people in many public spaces in the District, has granted Sharpton's group a permit for 25,000 marchers. Among those marching are Democratic Reps. Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas and Brenda Lawrence of Michigan and Democratic Sens. Jeff Merkley of Oregon and Kirsten Gillibrand of New York.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 16, 2017, 01:43:52 pm
Julian Castro talks about his future:

http://tpr.org/post/im-going-leave-politics-alone-now-juli-n-castro-says-hud-exit#stream/0

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On whether or not he’ll go back to Washington, D.C.:
"I'm quite confident I won't be back in Washington anytime soon, but I enjoyed my experience here. I think we did a lot of good for hard-working folks, right now I'm just going home to San Antonio.”

On his plans for what’s next:
"I was working on a book before I got into the cabinet that I'm going to finish. And probably going to go speak and serve on boards. That's the extent of my plans right now. So I'm going to leave politics alone for right now.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 17, 2017, 11:08:08 pm
Cuomo will meet with Trump at Trump Tower on Wednesday:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/gov-cuomo-talk-donald-trump-obamacare-infrastructure-article-1.2948893


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Progressive on January 18, 2017, 09:35:29 am
Tulsi Gabbard took secret trip to Syria

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/01/18/democratic-rep-gabbard-makes-secret-trip-to-syria/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 18, 2017, 09:47:01 am
Tulsi Gabbard took secret trip to Syria

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/01/18/democratic-rep-gabbard-makes-secret-trip-to-syria/

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When asked if Gabbard met with Assad, the strongman many blame for a conflict that has killed 400,000 and displaced millions, Latimer declined to comment, citing security and logistical concerns.

Ummm....she's already on her way back to the US.  Not sure how commenting on this would impact security.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on January 18, 2017, 10:03:42 am
Trump has already picked out two possible 2020 campaign slogans:

"Keep America Great" or "Keep America Great!"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-donald-trump-came-up-with-make-america-great-again/2017/01/17/fb6acf5e-dbf7-11e6-ad42-f3375f271c9c_story.html?postshare=831484737469175&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.4e38abc925f8


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Hindsight is 2020 on January 18, 2017, 02:52:20 pm
Trump has already picked out two possible 2020 campaign slogans:

"Keep America Great" or "Keep America Great!"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-donald-trump-came-up-with-make-america-great-again/2017/01/17/fb6acf5e-dbf7-11e6-ad42-f3375f271c9c_story.html?postshare=831484737469175&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.4e38abc925f8
OMG I called it XD


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 18, 2017, 03:00:16 pm
Tulsi Gabbard took secret trip to Syria

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/01/18/democratic-rep-gabbard-makes-secret-trip-to-syria/

Apparently, she surprised Congressional leaders by not telling them she was going:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/tulsi-gabbard-secret-syria-trip-233762

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Democratic Rep. Tulsi Gabbard went on a secret trip to Syria this week without telling congressional leaders beforehand, according to multiple sources.

Aides confirmed that House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) weren’t given any advance warning before the Hawaii Democrat visited the Middle East on a trip that was not government-sanctioned travel. Informing leaders of such travel is standard and expected practice.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on January 18, 2017, 07:30:00 pm
Tulsi Gabbard took secret trip to Syria

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/01/18/democratic-rep-gabbard-makes-secret-trip-to-syria/

Apparently, she surprised Congressional leaders by not telling them she was going:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/tulsi-gabbard-secret-syria-trip-233762

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Democratic Rep. Tulsi Gabbard went on a secret trip to Syria this week without telling congressional leaders beforehand, according to multiple sources.

Aides confirmed that House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) weren’t given any advance warning before the Hawaii Democrat visited the Middle East on a trip that was not government-sanctioned travel. Informing leaders of such travel is standard and expected practice.


Didn't Kucinich do the same thing in 2011?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 20, 2017, 05:35:12 pm
At some point, I may go through all the leadership PACs for each of the potential 2020 Democratic presidential candidates.  E.g., Booker, Gillibrand, Klobuchar, and Warren all have leadership PACs…

Booker: “CoryPAC”, contributed $171,000 to Democratic candidates this cycle
https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00497131&cycle=2016

Gillibrand: “Off the Sidelines”, contributed $565,000 to Democratic candidates this cycle
https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00525600&cycle=2016

Klobuchar: “Follow the North Star Fund”, contributed $167,500 to Democratic candidates this cycle
https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00431874&cycle=2016

Warren: “PAC for a Level Playing Field”, contributed $190,000 to Democratic candidates this cycle
https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00540195&cycle=2016

Gillibrand’s PAC is different in that 1) it only donates to women candidates, and 2) most of its money goes to House candidates.  The Booker, Klobuchar, and Warren PACs mostly donated to Senate candidates, with just a few token House candidates included as well.  The Booker, Gillibrand, and Klobuchar PACs all donated to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign as well, while Warren’s PAC didn’t.

*bump*

Apparently, Gillibrand's PAC actually has a podcast:

http://offthesidelines.org/the-hub/podcasts/

Looks like the podcast consists of Gillibrand talking to various people about assorted issues.  In August, she even spoke with possible 2020 rival Amy Klobuchar.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Representative MAINEiac4434 on January 20, 2017, 10:48:37 pm
Tulsi Gabbard took secret trip to Syria

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/01/18/democratic-rep-gabbard-makes-secret-trip-to-syria/

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When asked if Gabbard met with Assad, the strongman many blame for a conflict that has killed 400,000 and displaced millions, Latimer declined to comment, citing security and logistical concerns.

Ummm....she's already on her way back to the US.  Not sure how commenting on this would impact security.


Because she totally met with Assad.

Christ I hate her. If she somehow wins the nomination in 2020, Trump 2020.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 21, 2017, 10:12:36 am
The WaPo has a story on the 2020 Dems in the Senate:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/standing-behind-trump-on-friday-the-future-of-the-democratic-party/2017/01/20/80a4e04e-de94-11e6-ad42-f3375f271c9c_story.html?utm_term=.739f151fafe6

One piece of info in there that I didn't know: Like Gillibrand, Harris will also be participating in the Women's March on Washington today.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 21, 2017, 11:17:03 am

One piece of info in there that I didn't know: Like Gillibrand, Harris will also be participating in the Women's March on Washington today.


Doesn't look like Klobuchar is participating in the march herself, but she did stop to meet with some of the marchers:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2syMCNXgAEnXLl.jpg)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Oppo on January 21, 2017, 03:36:36 pm
Booker was just at the Women's March on CNN.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 21, 2017, 09:59:14 pm
Booker: “I am not open to being president”:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/21/politics/cory-booker-president-2020/

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New Jersey Democratic Sen. Cory Booker said Saturday he is not planning to run for president in 2020, telling CNN's Brooke Baldwin he wants to instead focus on running an effective opposition to the Trump administration.

"Too many things can happen that can hurt people in our nation and around the globe if this President isn't checked," Booker told Baldwin, speaking at the Women's March in Washington. "Right now, I don't care about 2020. I don't care about 2018."
      
"I am not open to being president," he added. "I don't even want to have the discussion right now."

And he continues to have a facial expression indicating that he's either worried or needs to use the bathroom quickly:

(http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170121182001-exp-booker-says-trump-presidency-a-bad-thing-cnntv-00002001-exlarge-169.jpg)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Confused Democrat on January 21, 2017, 10:57:47 pm
Booker: “I am not open to being president”:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/21/politics/cory-booker-president-2020/

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New Jersey Democratic Sen. Cory Booker said Saturday he is not planning to run for president in 2020, telling CNN's Brooke Baldwin he wants to instead focus on running an effective opposition to the Trump administration.

"Too many things can happen that can hurt people in our nation and around the globe if this President isn't checked," Booker told Baldwin, speaking at the Women's March in Washington. "Right now, I don't care about 2020. I don't care about 2018."
      
"I am not open to being president," he added. "I don't even want to have the discussion right now."

And he continues to have a facial expression indicating that he's either worried or needs to use the bathroom quickly:

(http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170121182001-exp-booker-says-trump-presidency-a-bad-thing-cnntv-00002001-exlarge-169.jpg)


I know it's unreasonable and doesn't make sense, but I don't trust bald people. Therefore, I don't trust Booker.

Also, Booker still likely to run I think; even if he says he's not open to it.



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 22, 2017, 10:14:59 am
Sunday morning talk show watch: Sanders is on Face the Nation this morning:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEWS_SHOWS?SITE=AP


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 23, 2017, 09:27:33 am
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/hillary-clinton-plans-future-234018

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In a series of private meetings and phone calls at their home in Chappaqua, in New York City and in Washington, Bill and Hillary Clinton are slowly starting to puzzle through their political future, according to over a dozen people who have spoken directly with them, and nearly two dozen other Democrats who have been briefed on their thinking.

The recently vanquished candidate has told some associates she’s looking at a spring timeline for mapping out some of her next political steps. Still recovering from her stunning loss, a political return is far from the top of Clinton’s mind, with much of her planning focused around the kinds of projects she wants to take on outside the partisan arena, like writing or pushing specific policy initiatives.
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But neither Clinton is likely to run for office again, never mind the New York City mayoral rumors that Hillary Clinton's friends routinely laugh off.

“The Democratic Party does need new blood, new faces, and I don’t think Bill or Hillary Clinton would ever want to get back and run for anything — I don’t think a team of mules could drag them to do that,” said Pryor.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on January 23, 2017, 01:42:44 pm
I don't trust Politico, but great news if true.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on January 23, 2017, 01:46:44 pm
Did anyone really believe that Clinton would run again for anything?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 23, 2017, 01:47:26 pm
Booker: “I am not open to being president”:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/21/politics/cory-booker-president-2020/

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New Jersey Democratic Sen. Cory Booker said Saturday he is not planning to run for president in 2020, telling CNN's Brooke Baldwin he wants to instead focus on running an effective opposition to the Trump administration.

"Too many things can happen that can hurt people in our nation and around the globe if this President isn't checked," Booker told Baldwin, speaking at the Women's March in Washington. "Right now, I don't care about 2020. I don't care about 2018."
      
"I am not open to being president," he added. "I don't even want to have the discussion right now."

And he continues to have a facial expression indicating that he's either worried or needs to use the bathroom quickly:

(http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170121182001-exp-booker-says-trump-presidency-a-bad-thing-cnntv-00002001-exlarge-169.jpg)


I know it's unreasonable and doesn't make sense, but I don't trust bald people. Therefore, I don't trust Booker.

Also, Booker still likely to run I think; even if he says he's not open to it.


I don't think Booker intended to make some kind of Shermanesque denial here.  This isn't like with Franken and Kaine, where they made a calculated decision to rule out a 2020 run (which may or may not be sincere, but it's what they were trying to say).  In Booker's case, I think he just kind of fumbled into a denial in the course of trying to say something like "the stakes right now are so high that we shouldn't be talking about 2020".


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Spenstar on January 23, 2017, 01:57:27 pm
I'll believe him when he announces his intent to run for re-election to his senate seat in 2020


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on January 23, 2017, 01:59:54 pm
I'll believe him when he announces his intent to run for re-election to his senate seat in 2020

Can't he do both?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 23, 2017, 02:32:44 pm
Politico has more on Booker 2020 today:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/cory-booker-senate-2020-233982

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“I don’t care if it’s the left that gets mad at me or the right that gets mad at me,” Booker said in an interview in his mostly spare Capitol Hill office last week. “It’s not about some distant office or even my reelection … it’s about advancing the cause of my country right now, today. Because it’s on.”

“This is not calculating to me. And the things that we do that you don’t know about, the trips that we take that you don’t know about, the national trips,” added the senator. “I’m not advertising things that I could if I was trying to make myself that.”
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His cautious approach to Oval Office talk is backed up by his meager political infrastructure: just a few hands and a fundraiser in New Jersey. He’s gotten to know scores of the party’s leading donors and operatives in recent years, but there's little to suggest that Booker currently harbors a well-laid plan to go national.

Meanwhile, here’s Politico on Cruz putting his presidential ambitions on hold—no indication that he’s planning some kind of primary challenge to Trump in 2020, or anything like that:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/meet-the-new-ted-cruz-214681

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The ripples are visible across the Republican Party, but nowhere has the shock of Trump’s conquest been felt more acutely than inside the Texas senator’s sprawling electoral enterprise. Having spent the past two years constructing the most sophisticated operation in politics—an outfit that raised more cash than any Republican primary candidate in history—Cruz now has little choice but to garage it. There is no space inside Trump’s GOP for a rival political apparatus of that scale, nor is there money to sustain it.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 23, 2017, 03:27:07 pm
Hickenlooper’s in Switzerland for the Davos summit, and is asked about future plans:

http://www.businessinsider.com/colorado-gov-john-hickenlooper-interview-2017-1

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LoGiurato: I assume you want to continue to be a loud voice in the future of the Democratic Party. Do you have any plans as we head into the 2018 and 2020 cycles?

Hickenlooper: Nope. I'm not starting a PAC. I'm not going out there and putting together a phantom campaign. In two years, I think the workforce stuff we're working on in Colorado really has the potential to be a national model, so I want to put a lot of energy into that.

Meanwhile, Bullock was in Florida over the weekend, attending a David Brock event:

http://missoulanews.bigskypress.com/IndyBlog/archives/2017/01/20/gov-steve-bullock-slated-to-speak-at-david-brock-led-democratic-conference-in-florida-on-saturday

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Quite a ways down the coast, at Miami’s Turnberry Isle Resort, politicians and progressive donors are presently gathered for an event of their own: a conference, led by liberal operative David Brock, dedicated to resistance. Titled “Democracy Matters 17,” the three-day affair includes an array of panels and presentations from names like former Obama chief of staff Rahm Emanuel, U.S. Sen. Jeff Merkley of Oregon and EMILY’S List President (and Butte native) Stephanie Schriock. Also on the agenda is a Saturday luncheon with former U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder and—here it comes—Montana Gov. Steve Bullock.

The conference has attracted increasing media attention since BuzzFeed first broke the news on Jan. 13 of Brock’s efforts to create a Koch-brothers-like leftist donor network capable of fighting back against Donald Trump. Bullock’s scheduled appearance, of course, raises a few more questions for those of us back home. The Democracy Matters 17 agenda describes the Bullock-Holder luncheon as an opportunity to discuss “how Democrats can build momentum from the ground up, starting in the states, to advance progressive policy and defend voting rights,” and to examine “legislative opportunities in governors races in 2018 and how we can impact the big prize of redistricting in 2020.” So, yeah, fairly vague stuff there.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 23, 2017, 04:01:16 pm
Politico’s “Democrats in the Wilderness” story has this great cover art:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/democrats-trump-administration-wilderness-comeback-revival-214650

(http://static2.politico.com/dims4/default/c048807/2147483647/resize/1160x%3E/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2Fd8%2F3e%2Fb7f63d604b5db2806b5851ed630a%2Fmag-dovere-inauguration-issue-lede.jpg)


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What Obama conveniently leaves out is how significantly gerrymandering, enabled by state-level losses, has since tilted the House map for Republicans, how different that 2006 Senate map looked from what’s ahead, and how at this same point, four years out from Election Day 2008, it was pretty clear that Obama and Clinton and John Edwards and probably Biden and Bill Richardson and all the way down to Dennis Kucinich were going to run for president. Now, no one has any idea who the field will be in 2020, and no one outside Washington knows the names that get talked about in Washington.
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Warren might spark a movement, and she could almost certainly count on winning New Hampshire, but she would be 71 and make a lot of Democrats worry she would take the party too far left. Booker can, and likes to assert that he can, tap into an Obama-esque post-racial aspirationalism. Cuomo would have a socially progressive, fiscal centrist record to tout. Many are talking up Kamala Harris, though almost none of them know anything about the new California senator other than that she’s a multi-ethnic woman; few have heard her speak or couldn’t identify a single policy position she holds. Other names get tossed around—Hickenlooper, New York Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, Ohio Senator Sherrod Brown, former Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick.

“There isn’t a clear tier-one level of elected officials jumping out right now,” says Mitch Stewart, Obama’s 2012 battleground states director and now a Democratic operative working with some of the up-and-coming talent. “There’s so much more oxygen in the run-up to this next election than there has been previously, that leaders in industry, leaders in nonprofit, leaders in service outside of politics can take a real look at the 2020 race.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: JoshPA on January 23, 2017, 04:10:08 pm
Politico has more on Booker 2020 today:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/cory-booker-senate-2020-233982

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“I don’t care if it’s the left that gets mad at me or the right that gets mad at me,” Booker said in an interview in his mostly spare Capitol Hill office last week. “It’s not about some distant office or even my reelection … it’s about advancing the cause of my country right now, today. Because it’s on.”

“This is not calculating to me. And the things that we do that you don’t know about, the trips that we take that you don’t know about, the national trips,” added the senator. “I’m not advertising things that I could if I was trying to make myself that.”
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His cautious approach to Oval Office talk is backed up by his meager political infrastructure: just a few hands and a fundraiser in New Jersey. He’s gotten to know scores of the party’s leading donors and operatives in recent years, but there's little to suggest that Booker currently harbors a well-laid plan to go national.

Meanwhile, here’s Politico on Cruz putting his presidential ambitions on hold—no indication that he’s planning some kind of primary challenge to Trump in 2020, or anything like that:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/meet-the-new-ted-cruz-214681

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The ripples are visible across the Republican Party, but nowhere has the shock of Trump’s conquest been felt more acutely than inside the Texas senator’s sprawling electoral enterprise. Having spent the past two years constructing the most sophisticated operation in politics—an outfit that raised more cash than any Republican primary candidate in history—Cruz now has little choice but to garage it. There is no space inside Trump’s GOP for a rival political apparatus of that scale, nor is there money to sustain it.

After that interview with alex jones he had I doubt he planning a run untill 2024 we may see a pence cruz ticket then.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Progressive on January 23, 2017, 09:13:16 pm
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/315790-minnesota-gov-collapses-during-state-of-the-state-address

Gov. Dayton collapsed


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on January 24, 2017, 01:47:51 pm
Jennifer Epstein ‏@jeneps  6m6 minutes ago
 Julian Castro on 2020 run for Dem nomination, on MSNBC: "The truth is that I'm never going to take anything off the table"


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 24, 2017, 01:55:21 pm
Jennifer Epstein ‏@jeneps  6m6 minutes ago
 Julian Castro on 2020 run for Dem nomination, on MSNBC: "The truth is that I'm never going to take anything off the table"

Uh oh, Mike Gravel warned us years ago what "nothing off the table" is code for:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBcMUZAXMW4&t=2m15s

I fear that Castro is planning to nuke Booker and Warren.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Solopop on January 25, 2017, 10:14:45 am
It'll be Gillibrand, she's the only Dem that had voted against all Trump nominees.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 25, 2017, 10:28:03 am
It'll be Gillibrand, she's the only Dem that had voted against all Trump nominees.

She didn't vote against Nikki Haley:

link (https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=1&vote=00033)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 25, 2017, 10:45:28 am
Zuckerberg says he does not plan to run for president:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/01/25/mark-zuckerberg-shoots-rumours-presidential-ambitions/

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But after weeks of conjecture Zuckerberg has said he doesn't have political ambitions. In response to a question from BuzzFeed about whether he had any plans to run for president he said "No".

"I'm focused on building our community at Facebook and working on the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative," he said. 

Meanwhile, some are suggesting that Sheryl Sandberg does:

link (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/01/25/sheryl_sandberg_for_president_132885.html)

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Facebook Chief Operating Officer Sheryl Sandberg is preparing a robust tour in conjunction with her foundation activities this spring to promote her upcoming book, “Option B,” leading some Democratic operatives to speculate that she's mulling a 2020 presidential campaign.

In recent weeks, her staff interviewed young aides with campaign chops for the months-long project, according to a source familiar with the planning. Another called it “common knowledge” in Democratic Party circles that she is considering such a run.
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Sources wired into her inner circle at Facebook point out that Sandberg, a political appointee at the Treasury Department during the Clinton administration, has surrounded herself throughout her tenure in Silicon Valley with support staff members with political experience. The spokesperson for Mitt Romney’s 2012 presidential bid, Andrea Saul, for example, worked for Sandberg in 2013 while promoting her first book, “Lean In.” Facebook’s Menlo Park headquarters has housed dozens of former political operatives who decamped from Washington.  

Sandberg is also a loyal and reliable Democratic donor, contributing more than $120,000 to campaigns in the 2016 cycle, including $30,000 to the EMILY’s List turnout operation, “Women Vote.” She reportedly was eyeing a possible return to Washington as a leading contender to serve as Treasury secretary in a Hillary Clinton administration, though she said publicly she would stay at Facebook.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 25, 2017, 10:50:29 am
Fun fact: Sandberg is the widow of Dave Goldberg, who died at the young age of 47 back in 2015.  Goldberg was the CEO of SurveyMonkey, which did some polling for NBC during the 2016 election cycle.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 25, 2017, 11:29:20 am
O'Malley heading back to Iowa over the weekend:

http://www.lakeexpo.com/news/politics/o-malley-to-campaign-for-kurth-in-special-election-race/article_ccc4105b-369f-5981-bbfc-b90125985107.html

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O'Malley will be in the Quad-Cities on Saturday to campaign with Monica Kurth, the Democrat who is seeking the District 89 Iowa House seat in the Jan. 31 special election.

Kurth confirmed Monday that O'Malley will campaign for her. An O'Malley spokesman said he will be canvassing with Kurth, then attending a fundraiser for her. It will be held in Cedar Rapids.

This will be the second time in about a month that O'Malley will have taken to the campaign trail in the Quad-Cities. In December, he traveled to Davenport to campaign for Jim Lykam, who won a special election for the vacant Iowa Senate seat in District 45.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Progressive on January 25, 2017, 11:51:11 am
Zuckerberg says he does not plan to run for president:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/01/25/mark-zuckerberg-shoots-rumours-presidential-ambitions/

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But after weeks of conjecture Zuckerberg has said he doesn't have political ambitions. In response to a question from BuzzFeed about whether he had any plans to run for president he said "No".

"I'm focused on building our community at Facebook and working on the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative," he said. 

Meanwhile, some are suggesting that Sheryl Sandberg does:

link (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/01/25/sheryl_sandberg_for_president_132885.html)

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Facebook Chief Operating Officer Sheryl Sandberg is preparing a robust tour in conjunction with her foundation activities this spring to promote her upcoming book, “Option B,” leading some Democratic operatives to speculate that she's mulling a 2020 presidential campaign.

In recent weeks, her staff interviewed young aides with campaign chops for the months-long project, according to a source familiar with the planning. Another called it “common knowledge” in Democratic Party circles that she is considering such a run.
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Sources wired into her inner circle at Facebook point out that Sandberg, a political appointee at the Treasury Department during the Clinton administration, has surrounded herself throughout her tenure in Silicon Valley with support staff members with political experience. The spokesperson for Mitt Romney’s 2012 presidential bid, Andrea Saul, for example, worked for Sandberg in 2013 while promoting her first book, “Lean In.” Facebook’s Menlo Park headquarters has housed dozens of former political operatives who decamped from Washington.  

Sandberg is also a loyal and reliable Democratic donor, contributing more than $120,000 to campaigns in the 2016 cycle, including $30,000 to the EMILY’s List turnout operation, “Women Vote.” She reportedly was eyeing a possible return to Washington as a leading contender to serve as Treasury secretary in a Hillary Clinton administration, though she said publicly she would stay at Facebook.


I'm also writing a TL about it ;)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 25, 2017, 02:49:07 pm
Julian Castro says he won’t run for anything in 2018:

http://www.kens5.com/news/politics/julian-castro-returns-to-san-antonio-says-hes-not-running-in-2018/392251043

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"Right now, I'm going to mostly leave politics alone. I'm not saying that I won't get involved in anything, but I'm definitely not running for anything in 2018, in the next cycle. It's extremely unlikely that I will run for governor or senator," he said.

Instead, Castro says he will concentrate on finishing his memoir, serving on boards, and speaking.

His wife Erica will be the principal bread winner for now. She's the math coach for Harlandale Independent School District.

More here:

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/01/24/castro-brothers-confront-trump-era/

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Much discussion about the brothers' futures often involves elections — near and far. Joaquin Castro is still considering whether to challenge U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, in 2018, a decision he plans to make before summer.

More intrigue has begun to surround his brother, who recently returned to San Antonio to finish a book — he has a September deadline — and to prepare to hit the speaking circuit. Beyond that, Hinojosa admitted, "we're curious what Julián is going to do."

A person close to the former housing secretary, once a running-mate prospect for Clinton, suggested he is already looking past 2018 to 2020, when Democrats will no doubt be searching for a fresh face to take on Trump. 

"It is very unlikely he runs for anything statewide in 2018," the person said. "At this point in time, a national run in 2020 is a much better bet than 2018."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Young Texan on January 25, 2017, 03:16:23 pm
Julian Castro says he won’t run for anything in 2018:

http://www.kens5.com/news/politics/julian-castro-returns-to-san-antonio-says-hes-not-running-in-2018/392251043

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"Right now, I'm going to mostly leave politics alone. I'm not saying that I won't get involved in anything, but I'm definitely not running for anything in 2018, in the next cycle. It's extremely unlikely that I will run for governor or senator," he said.

Instead, Castro says he will concentrate on finishing his memoir, serving on boards, and speaking.

His wife Erica will be the principal bread winner for now. She's the math coach for Harlandale Independent School District.

More here:

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/01/24/castro-brothers-confront-trump-era/

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Much discussion about the brothers' futures often involves elections — near and far. Joaquin Castro is still considering whether to challenge U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, in 2018, a decision he plans to make before summer.

More intrigue has begun to surround his brother, who recently returned to San Antonio to finish a book — he has a September deadline — and to prepare to hit the speaking circuit. Beyond that, Hinojosa admitted, "we're curious what Julián is going to do."

A person close to the former housing secretary, once a running-mate prospect for Clinton, suggested he is already looking past 2018 to 2020, when Democrats will no doubt be searching for a fresh face to take on Trump. 

"It is very unlikely he runs for anything statewide in 2018," the person said. "At this point in time, a national run in 2020 is a much better bet than 2018."


Running for Governor would be a mistake since Abbott is literally the most popular politician in Texas. Senate would still be a great challenge for Castro but out of the two, Senate is more likely to be won by him.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Pandaguineapig on January 25, 2017, 05:09:07 pm
I very much doubt the Castro's will run statewide in Texas after watching what happened to the political career of Wendy Davis


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Justice Blair on January 25, 2017, 05:19:33 pm
Whilst some meet with voters in Iowa...

http://ijr.com/2017/01/786680-tulsi-gabbard-met-with-dictator-bashar-al-assad-during-trip-to-syria/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Hindsight is 2020 on January 25, 2017, 09:34:30 pm
Julian Castro says he won’t run for anything in 2018:

http://www.kens5.com/news/politics/julian-castro-returns-to-san-antonio-says-hes-not-running-in-2018/392251043

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"Right now, I'm going to mostly leave politics alone. I'm not saying that I won't get involved in anything, but I'm definitely not running for anything in 2018, in the next cycle. It's extremely unlikely that I will run for governor or senator," he said.

Instead, Castro says he will concentrate on finishing his memoir, serving on boards, and speaking.

His wife Erica will be the principal bread winner for now. She's the math coach for Harlandale Independent School District.

More here:

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/01/24/castro-brothers-confront-trump-era/

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Much discussion about the brothers' futures often involves elections — near and far. Joaquin Castro is still considering whether to challenge U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, in 2018, a decision he plans to make before summer.

More intrigue has begun to surround his brother, who recently returned to San Antonio to finish a book — he has a September deadline — and to prepare to hit the speaking circuit. Beyond that, Hinojosa admitted, "we're curious what Julián is going to do."

A person close to the former housing secretary, once a running-mate prospect for Clinton, suggested he is already looking past 2018 to 2020, when Democrats will no doubt be searching for a fresh face to take on Trump. 

"It is very unlikely he runs for anything statewide in 2018," the person said. "At this point in time, a national run in 2020 is a much better bet than 2018."


Running for Governor would be a mistake since Abbott is literally the most popular politician in Texas. Senate would still be a great challenge for Castro but out of the two, Senate is more likely to be won by him.
What about becoming mayor of SA again?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 25, 2017, 09:46:49 pm
Julian Castro says he won’t run for anything in 2018:

http://www.kens5.com/news/politics/julian-castro-returns-to-san-antonio-says-hes-not-running-in-2018/392251043

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"Right now, I'm going to mostly leave politics alone. I'm not saying that I won't get involved in anything, but I'm definitely not running for anything in 2018, in the next cycle. It's extremely unlikely that I will run for governor or senator," he said.

Instead, Castro says he will concentrate on finishing his memoir, serving on boards, and speaking.

His wife Erica will be the principal bread winner for now. She's the math coach for Harlandale Independent School District.

More here:

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/01/24/castro-brothers-confront-trump-era/

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Much discussion about the brothers' futures often involves elections — near and far. Joaquin Castro is still considering whether to challenge U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, in 2018, a decision he plans to make before summer.

More intrigue has begun to surround his brother, who recently returned to San Antonio to finish a book — he has a September deadline — and to prepare to hit the speaking circuit. Beyond that, Hinojosa admitted, "we're curious what Julián is going to do."

A person close to the former housing secretary, once a running-mate prospect for Clinton, suggested he is already looking past 2018 to 2020, when Democrats will no doubt be searching for a fresh face to take on Trump. 

"It is very unlikely he runs for anything statewide in 2018," the person said. "At this point in time, a national run in 2020 is a much better bet than 2018."


Running for Governor would be a mistake since Abbott is literally the most popular politician in Texas. Senate would still be a great challenge for Castro but out of the two, Senate is more likely to be won by him.
What about becoming mayor of SA again?

According to this story from November (http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=233345.msg5415359#msg5415359) he's thinking about running for county judge in 2018 (and then working his way up to statewide office some time in the 2020s) or else just run for president in 2020.  Though now he says he's not going to run for anything in 2018...


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 26, 2017, 09:28:04 am
O'Malley was in DC last weekend and again asked about 2020:

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/irish-wake-for-democrats-2016-despair-turns-into-beginning-of-a-resistance

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Asked if he would consider running again in 2020, O’Malley said he “just might.” 


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: publicunofficial on January 26, 2017, 02:31:18 pm
Not saying he'll be the nominee, but I'm starting to think Jay Inslee runs.

He's been giving his opinion on national issues much more often since November. Feels like he's trying to become more of a figure in the party, specifically the left flank.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 26, 2017, 10:42:20 pm
1 day after RCP says that people around Sheryl Sandberg are saying she might run for president, she write a Facebook post attacking Trump's abortion policy:

https://www.facebook.com/sheryl/posts/10158056267730177


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Big Daddy Gonna Take Care Of Us on January 27, 2017, 12:23:48 pm
Sheryl Sandberg? Now this is getting embarrassing. I can already hear the chorus of "four more years."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: publicunofficial on January 27, 2017, 12:28:48 pm
Sheryl Sandberg? Now this is getting embarrassing. I can already hear the chorus of "four more years."

It definitely feels like some DNC types are pushing for "We need our OWN businessman/woman to run against Trump". Cuban, Zuckerberg, Sandberg. Hard to look at the 2016 primary and thiink "You know what these Bernie supporters would go for? A billionaire with shady business dealings."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Big Daddy Gonna Take Care Of Us on January 27, 2017, 12:43:25 pm
Sheryl Sandberg? Now this is getting embarrassing. I can already hear the chorus of "four more years."

It definitely feels like some DNC types are pushing for "We need our OWN businessman/woman to run against Trump". Cuban, Zuckerberg, Sandberg. Hard to look at the 2016 primary and thiink "You know what these Bernie supporters would go for? A billionaire with shady business dealings."
Well the DNC has this bizarre belief that we elected Trump because he's a businessman who would create jobs. We voted for him because we were pissed. Nominating a wealthy Silicon Valley CEO who will jet around the country talking about "smart power," "21st century economy," etc along with the same naked embrace of identity politics could make her an even worse nominee than Hillary.

People like Trump because he builds things. Real, tangible things (or big beautiful tremendous hotels in his words) unlike Sandberg, who basically administers an increasingly outdated social media platform. She'll give speech after speech about how it's time to "Make America Hopeful Again" or whatever cute slogan she comes up, but her vision is the same path of globalization that the world is reacting against. We don't want smart cars or Amazon drones, we want steel mills and factories.

Sandberg running against Trump would be a dream come true.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: SCNCmod on January 27, 2017, 04:52:43 pm
Julian Castro says he won’t run for anything in 2018:

http://www.kens5.com/news/politics/julian-castro-returns-to-san-antonio-says-hes-not-running-in-2018/392251043

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"Right now, I'm going to mostly leave politics alone. I'm not saying that I won't get involved in anything, but I'm definitely not running for anything in 2018, in the next cycle. It's extremely unlikely that I will run for governor or senator," he said.

Instead, Castro says he will concentrate on finishing his memoir, serving on boards, and speaking.

His wife Erica will be the principal bread winner for now. She's the math coach for Harlandale Independent School District.

More here:

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/01/24/castro-brothers-confront-trump-era/

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Much discussion about the brothers' futures often involves elections — near and far. Joaquin Castro is still considering whether to challenge U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, in 2018, a decision he plans to make before summer.

More intrigue has begun to surround his brother, who recently returned to San Antonio to finish a book — he has a September deadline — and to prepare to hit the speaking circuit. Beyond that, Hinojosa admitted, "we're curious what Julián is going to do."

A person close to the former housing secretary, once a running-mate prospect for Clinton, suggested he is already looking past 2018 to 2020, when Democrats will no doubt be searching for a fresh face to take on Trump.

"It is very unlikely he runs for anything statewide in 2018," the person said. "At this point in time, a national run in 2020 is a much better bet than 2018."


Running for Governor would be a mistake since Abbott is literally the most popular politician in Texas. Senate would still be a great challenge for Castro but out of the two, Senate is more likely to be won by him.
What about becoming mayor of SA again?

According to this story from November (http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=233345.msg5415359#msg5415359) he's thinking about running for county judge in 2018 (and then working his way up to statewide office some time in the 2020s) or else just run for president in 2020.  Though now he says he's not going to run for anything in 2018...


Castro is going to wait & Run for President in 2020... Which has little downside...

Possible Outcomes:
1) Depending on the political Climate in 4 years, he could get the nomination

2) He gains a lot of traction, wins states like CA-FL-TX-NV-AZ-UT-NM-CO-Puerto Rico, and finishes 2nd in the Primary & is the natural choice for VP.

3) He loses the Primary, but Dems win the President... and Castro gets a higher profile Cabinet Position.

****The only real downside.... Would be if Trump gets re-elected


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on January 27, 2017, 04:56:06 pm
Mark Zuckerberg hits Trump on executive actions in new Facebook post.

https://www.facebook.com/zuck/posts/10103460278231481


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: SCNCmod on January 27, 2017, 05:00:21 pm
A Smart move for Castro... and would help in accomplishing one of the 3 outcomes mentioned above...
 
(1. Depending on the political Climate in 4 years, he could get the nomination ...  2. He gains a lot of traction, wins states like CA-FL-TX-AZ-NM-NV-CO-UT-Puerto Rico, and finishes 2nd in the Primary & is the natural choice for VP....  3. He loses the Primary, but Dems win the President... and Castro gets a higher profile Cabinet Position)

....would be to tag team with the Womens March movement to put together a Huge Latino Voter Registration in Florida, Arizona, and Texas.  Latino's have the biggest pool of unregistered eligible voters... especially younger Latinos in TX & AZ ... and Puerto Rican Latinos in Florida.  This could have a big effect on the outcome of AZ and FL in the 2020 election.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Progressive on January 27, 2017, 05:42:31 pm
A Smart move for Castro... and would help in accomplishing one of the 3 outcomes mentioned above...
 
(1. Depending on the political Climate in 4 years, he could get the nomination ...  2. He gains a lot of traction, wins states like CA-FL-TX-AZ-NM-NV-CO-UT-Puerto Rico, and finishes 2nd in the Primary & is the natural choice for VP....  3. He loses the Primary, but Dems win the President... and Castro gets a higher profile Cabinet Position)

....would be to tag team with the Womens March movement to put together a Huge Latino Voter Registration in Florida, Arizona, and Texas.  Latino's have the biggest pool of unregistered eligible voters... especially younger Latinos in TX & AZ ... and Puerto Rican Latinos in Florida.  This could have a big effect on the outcome of AZ and FL in the 2020 election.

I agree, it's why I've posted a lot about Castro on the forum. I feel like his decision to run for president actually makes more sense than him running in Texas first.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 27, 2017, 09:53:07 pm
Gillibrand’s spokesman is asked about 2020, and he gives a non-denial denial: ”The only race she is interested in is her reelection to the Senate in 2018.” (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/25/kirsten-gillibrand-has-voted-against-almost-all-of-donald-trumps-nominees-2020-anyone/?utm_term=.763c56ea621b)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 27, 2017, 10:11:07 pm
Speaking of Gillibrand, both she and Warren responded to Trump's refugee restrictions with tweetstorms today:

https://twitter.com/SenGillibrand
https://twitter.com/SenWarren

Booker, meanwhile, posted a video of his response, which involved a lot of hand gestures:

https://twitter.com/CoryBooker/status/825149036160229376


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on January 28, 2017, 01:32:58 pm
Speaking of Gillibrand, both she and Warren responded to Trump's refugee restrictions with tweetstorms today:

https://twitter.com/SenGillibrand
https://twitter.com/SenWarren

Booker, meanwhile, posted a video of his response, which involved a lot of hand gestures:

https://twitter.com/CoryBooker/status/825149036160229376


I wonder if there have been any studies of whether politicians start speaking with their hands more when they are preparing for presidential runs.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Kalwejt on January 28, 2017, 01:36:59 pm
Uncle Joe, make up your f**king mind or shut up. Thnx.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 28, 2017, 03:55:32 pm
Speaking of Gillibrand, both she and Warren responded to Trump's refugee restrictions with tweetstorms today:

https://twitter.com/SenGillibrand
https://twitter.com/SenWarren

Booker, meanwhile, posted a video of his response, which involved a lot of hand gestures:

https://twitter.com/CoryBooker/status/825149036160229376


Ftr, Klobuchar also reacted to Trump's move with this FB post:

link (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10153980676941191&substory_index=0&id=7606381190)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Vosem on January 28, 2017, 05:07:41 pm
Sheryl Sandberg? Now this is getting embarrassing. I can already hear the chorus of "four more years."

It definitely feels like some DNC types are pushing for "We need our OWN businessman/woman to run against Trump". Cuban, Zuckerberg, Sandberg. Hard to look at the 2016 primary and thiink "You know what these Bernie supporters would go for? A billionaire with shady business dealings."
Well the DNC has this bizarre belief that we elected Trump because he's a businessman who would create jobs. We voted for him because we were pissed. Nominating a wealthy Silicon Valley CEO who will jet around the country talking about "smart power," "21st century economy," etc along with the same naked embrace of identity politics could make her an even worse nominee than Hillary.

People like Trump because he builds things. Real, tangible things (or big beautiful tremendous hotels in his words) unlike Sandberg, who basically administers an increasingly outdated social media platform. She'll give speech after speech about how it's time to "Make America Hopeful Again" or whatever cute slogan she comes up, but her vision is the same path of globalization that the world is reacting against. We don't want smart cars or Amazon drones, we want steel mills and factories.

Sandberg running against Trump would be a dream come true.

This is a very amusing post, since regardless of who is President there won't be steel mills or factories, and there will be smart-cars and drones. Very soon people will be voting who don't remember a time when steel mills and factories were common, and smart-cars and drones weren't.

Also, what's up with your second paragraph? People don't like Trump. Especially those who live in the places where he builds things.

Whether Sandberg would be a good candidate or not depends on her skills as a politician, which are difficult to judge since she's never run for office. "Make America Hopeful Again" is indeed a very stupid slogan, so if anybody goes with that we'll know enough to answer the question.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 28, 2017, 09:31:55 pm
O'Malley, in Iowa, standing outside a mosque, calls Trump's travel ban from Muslim countries "bigoted, adolescent stupidity":

http://www.thegazette.com/subject/news/government/in-cedar-rapids-martin-omalley-calls-trumps-actions-bigoted-20170128


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: henster on January 29, 2017, 12:26:32 am
Castro will have done nothing for the past 4 years when 2020 comes around and he'd be running against Senators who have been actively opposing Trump in Congress so he would have little chance. His best hope is being in cabinet against under a Dem President.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 29, 2017, 02:05:48 am
Sunday morning talk show watch: Kaine to appear on Meet the Press tomorrow morning, while de Blasio will appear on CNN's State of the Union:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEWS_SHOWS?SITE=AP


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Progressive on January 29, 2017, 09:48:30 pm
Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz, who was on HRC's cabinet short list, is giving jobs to 10,000 refugees worldwide and publicized his entire plan far and wide online today. I wouldn't be surprised to see speculation about him.

http://fortune.com/2017/01/29/donald-trump-muslim-ban-starbucks/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Representative MAINEiac4434 on January 30, 2017, 10:51:29 am
Uncle Joe, make up your f**king mind or shut up. Thnx.
He's bitter. He thinks he would've won if he'd run.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: UWS on January 30, 2017, 11:05:42 am
Uncle Joe, make up your f**king mind or shut up. Thnx.
He's bitter. He thinks he would've won if he'd run.

I agree!

He would have played Barack Obama's popularity card, which means lower unemployement cut in half (from approximately 8 % in November 2008 to less than 5 % in November 2016) and a stronger economy, Osama Bin Laden killed, ISIS' territory reduced, etc.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 30, 2017, 11:15:03 am
Martin O'Malley found a job!  (albeit a temporary one)

He's a visiting professor at the Boston College law school this semester:

http://bcheights.com/2017/01/29/martin-omalleys-new-melody-former-presidential-candidate-lecturing-bc-law/

This may mean that he'll have to cut down on his visits to Iowa.  But at least he'll be close to New Hampshire, in case he wants to start laying the groundwork there.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: publicunofficial on January 30, 2017, 02:53:12 pm
Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz, who was on HRC's cabinet short list, is giving jobs to 10,000 refugees worldwide and publicized his entire plan far and wide online today. I wouldn't be surprised to see speculation about him.

http://fortune.com/2017/01/29/donald-trump-muslim-ban-starbucks/

Bleh

As far as billionaires go, I guess Schultz is one of the least odious. But I've heard horror stories about him, particularly from his disasterous ownership of the Seattle Sonics (RIP).


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 30, 2017, 04:39:33 pm
Upstate Dems react to the possibility of Gillibrand 2020:

http://poststar.com/news/local/government-and-politics/area-democrats-like-the-idea-of-a-gillibrand-presidential-run/article_c161f272-f5f2-5fba-a8cc-dfae698c38e1.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on January 30, 2017, 05:17:30 pm
Jason Kander trolling Trump a bit:

Jason Kander ‏@JasonKander  3h3 hours ago
With just 1,373 days until Americans vote in the 2020 election, responsible thing to do is wait until then to consider any #SCOTUS nominee.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on January 31, 2017, 09:03:37 am
"Kasich to publish ‘Two Paths,’ a book offering a contrast to Trump’s America"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/01/31/kasich-to-publish-two-paths-a-book-offering-a-contrast-to-trumps-america/?utm_term=.3dd112d73bbc


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Young Texan on January 31, 2017, 10:37:43 am
"Kasich to publish ‘Two Paths,’ a book offering a contrast to Trump’s America"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/01/31/kasich-to-publish-two-paths-a-book-offering-a-contrast-to-trumps-america/?utm_term=.3dd112d73bbc

There aren't enough Republicans that would support him. Trump has locked up GOP support completely and it would be foolish if he ran in 2020.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 31, 2017, 01:59:36 pm
"Kasich to publish ‘Two Paths,’ a book offering a contrast to Trump’s America"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/01/31/kasich-to-publish-two-paths-a-book-offering-a-contrast-to-trumps-america/?utm_term=.3dd112d73bbc

The book comes out in April.  We should know then if Kasich is planning on a 2020 presidential campaign based on whether the book tour includes stops in Iowa or New Hampshire.  :P


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 31, 2017, 05:33:22 pm
CPAC won't be such a big deal re: the next presidential campaign this time around, seeing as how we now have an incumbent Republican president, and so it's unclear if any of the CPAC speakers will be running in 2020, as most of them would not consider challenging an incumbent president of their own party.

Still, it's possible that one of the speakers there will, and if not, at least it gives us a look at who's looking ahead to 2024.  Right now it looks like the first confirmed speakers for CPAC (which will be held just over 3 weeks from now) are Cruz and Walker:

http://conservative.org/ted-cruz-set-to-address-cpac-2017/
http://conservative.org/wisconsin-governor-scott-walker-to-deliver-remarks-at-cpac-2017/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Shadows on January 31, 2017, 06:16:45 pm
Lol @ Kasich running.

Republican Leaders don''t have the balls to stand up to Trump!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: UWS on February 01, 2017, 06:09:31 am
"Kasich to publish ‘Two Paths,’ a book offering a contrast to Trump’s America"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/01/31/kasich-to-publish-two-paths-a-book-offering-a-contrast-to-trumps-america/?utm_term=.3dd112d73bbc

There aren't enough Republicans that would support him. Trump has locked up GOP support completely and it would be foolish if he ran in 2020.

He will be 68 years old in 2020 so I think he will no longer have anything to lose.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 01, 2017, 05:37:04 pm
Get ready for the Biden Foundation:

http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/joe-biden-launches-non-profit-foundation-to-promote-equal-rights-1.3266010

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Former U.S. vice-president Joe Biden is launching a non-profit foundation aimed at promoting equal rights and opportunity.

The Biden Foundation will be a platform for Biden to advance priorities he worked on in the Senate and the White House, including cancer research, military families and preventing violence against women.

Biden says in a statement that the foundation aims to ensure everyone is treated with dignity and "gets a fair shot at achieving the American Dream."

In other news, Sanders will be debating Ted Cruz on CNN next Tuesday over Obamacare:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/bernie-sanders-ted-cruz-cnn-debate-obamacare


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 01, 2017, 09:31:57 pm
Sheryl Sandberg on the 2020 rumors:

http://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2017/01/buzz-about-facebooks-sheryl-sandberg-will-she-lean-in-on-white-house-bid-109218

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Sheryl Sandberg, the billionaire Facebook executive and best-selling author who is often mentioned as an outsider candidate for president, insisted on Wednesday that she has no plans to run for office.

"I have said no, and I'll going to continue to say no,'' Sandberg, 47, told Recode executive editor Kara Swisher in an on-stage conversation at the Watermark Conference for Women.

"And I'll continue not to believe you, in any way,'' said Swisher. "I feel I have better sources."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 01, 2017, 09:37:36 pm
Kerry doesn't rule out a run.  (https://twitter.com/JenGriffinFNC/status/817507387519172609)

While I highly doubt he would run again, bumping this just to note that he's now writing a book:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/john-kerry-book-memoir-234515

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John Kerry’s coming to a bookstore near you in 2018.

The former senator, 2004 Democratic nominee and secretary of state is still on his post-administration break, but he’s hired well-known Washington lawyer and book contract-negotiator Bob Barnett to start talking to publishers about a memoir that would run from Kerry's time growing up all over the world as the son of a foreign service officer through his years in Vietnam, politics and in the State Department.

“He’s not interested in writing a laundry list of accomplishments or travelogue,” said a source close to Kerry. “It will be a very personal recollection taking readers inside that life and bringing them inside the room to see how decisions are made at the intersection of so much history and to get to know some of the compelling characters he’s known so well.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Hindsight is 2020 on February 02, 2017, 11:26:59 am
Kerry doesn't rule out a run.  (https://twitter.com/JenGriffinFNC/status/817507387519172609)

While I highly doubt he would run again, bumping this just to note that he's now writing a book:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/john-kerry-book-memoir-234515

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John Kerry’s coming to a bookstore near you in 2018.

The former senator, 2004 Democratic nominee and secretary of state is still on his post-administration break, but he’s hired well-known Washington lawyer and book contract-negotiator Bob Barnett to start talking to publishers about a memoir that would run from Kerry's time growing up all over the world as the son of a foreign service officer through his years in Vietnam, politics and in the State Department.

“He’s not interested in writing a laundry list of accomplishments or travelogue,” said a source close to Kerry. “It will be a very personal recollection taking readers inside that life and bringing them inside the room to see how decisions are made at the intersection of so much history and to get to know some of the compelling characters he’s known so well.”


A lot of great hindsight is 2020 jokes but he will be 77 not happening


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 02, 2017, 02:21:42 pm
Politico reports that Nancy Pelosi and Joni Ernst will speak at the Gridiron Club dinner this year:

http://www.politico.com/tipsheets/playbook/2017/02/the-backstory-how-trump-got-to-yes-on-gorusch-playbook-exclusive-petraeus-warns-us-scaramucci-under-fire-biden-launches-foundation-bday-caas-michael-kives-218503

While this is an event that often draws folks with presidential ambition, I am not expecting either Pelosi or Ernst to be running in 2020.  Pelosi is even older than Bernie Sanders, and Ernst is highly unlikely to launch a primary challenge against Trump.  Though, as chronicled in this thread, Ernst was doing several national events last year that suggested she might have presidential ambitions.  So maybe she’ll be looking at running in 2024.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on February 02, 2017, 03:58:40 pm
If the Natural Born Citizen clause were amended, Arnold may be interested:

"Hey Donald I have a great idea. Why don’t we switch jobs? You take over TV, because you’re such an expert in ratings, and I take over your job," said Schwarzenegger in a video. "And then people can finally sleep comfortable again. Hmm?"

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/317519-arnold-schwarzenegger-responds-to-trump-why-dont-we-switch-jobs


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Spenstar on February 02, 2017, 06:08:12 pm
Politico reports that Nancy Pelosi and Joni Ernst will speak at the Gridiron Club dinner this year:

http://www.politico.com/tipsheets/playbook/2017/02/the-backstory-how-trump-got-to-yes-on-gorusch-playbook-exclusive-petraeus-warns-us-scaramucci-under-fire-biden-launches-foundation-bday-caas-michael-kives-218503

While this is an event that often draws folks with presidential ambition, I am not expecting either Pelosi or Ernst to be running in 2020.  Pelosi is even older than Bernie Sanders, and Ernst is highly unlikely to launch a primary challenge against Trump.  Though, as chronicled in this thread, Ernst was doing several national events last year that suggested she might have presidential ambitions.  So maybe she’ll be looking at running in 2024.


What are you talking about? Ernst is running in 2020

For reelex


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on February 03, 2017, 02:31:03 am
If the Natural Born Citizen clause were amended, Arnold may be interested:

"Hey Donald I have a great idea. Why don’t we switch jobs? You take over TV, because you’re such an expert in ratings, and I take over your job," said Schwarzenegger in a video. "And then people can finally sleep comfortable again. Hmm?"

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/317519-arnold-schwarzenegger-responds-to-trump-why-dont-we-switch-jobs

Trump may have an absolutely terrible approval rating in California, but it's not as bad as Arnold's when he was last in office at 20%.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Oh Jeremy Corbyn! on February 03, 2017, 02:56:28 am
Not saying he'll be the nominee, but I'm starting to think Jay Inslee runs.

He's been giving his opinion on national issues much more often since November. Feels like he's trying to become more of a figure in the party, specifically the left flank.

This Inslee?  A figure on the left?  Hahahahaha the guy is a punk and a sell-out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abSBqWLtR5I


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 03, 2017, 09:43:43 am
New NYT story on Gillibrand:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/03/nyregion/kirsten-gillibrand-anti-trump-left.html?_r=0


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: publicunofficial on February 03, 2017, 02:17:26 pm
Not saying he'll be the nominee, but I'm starting to think Jay Inslee runs.

He's been giving his opinion on national issues much more often since November. Feels like he's trying to become more of a figure in the party, specifically the left flank.

This Inslee?  A figure on the left?  Hahahahaha the guy is a punk and a sell-out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abSBqWLtR5I


Please warn me before you make me click on a Jimmy Dore vid.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Phony Moderate on February 03, 2017, 02:44:16 pm
Not saying he'll be the nominee, but I'm starting to think Jay Inslee runs.

He's been giving his opinion on national issues much more often since November. Feels like he's trying to become more of a figure in the party, specifically the left flank.

This Inslee?  A figure on the left?  Hahahahaha the guy is a punk and a sell-out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abSBqWLtR5I


Please warn me before you make me click on a Jimmy Dore vid.

I like Dore. He manages to give a sh**t while clearly not giving a sh**t, if you catch my drift.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 03, 2017, 05:50:06 pm
Sunday morning talk show watch:

Amy Klobuchar’s moving up in the world.  On most weeks, she’s not prominent enough to merit a Sunday morning talk show invite, but she’ll be on ABC’s “This Week” on Sunday, while Bernie Sanders will be on CNN’s “State of the Union”:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEWS_SHOWS?SITE=AP


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: henster on February 04, 2017, 01:20:51 am
Klobuchar has been disappointing on dealing with the cabinet nominee's so far. She sits on the Judiciary committee and had a chance to really grill Sessions but was largely cordial and uneventful. She has 4 years to turn it around but she seems like the go along to get along person which Ds don't want right now.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Oh Jeremy Corbyn! on February 04, 2017, 02:39:34 am
Sunday morning talk show watch:

Amy Klobuchar’s moving up in the world.  On most weeks, she’s not prominent enough to merit a Sunday morning talk show invite, but she’ll be on ABC’s “This Week” on Sunday, while Bernie Sanders will be on CNN’s “State of the Union”:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEWS_SHOWS?SITE=AP


She has always been very bipartisan and cordial.  She would be a great VP pick, especially if a Democrat wins the 2018 gubernatorial election in Minnesota.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 04, 2017, 01:59:25 pm
Julian Castro, speaking in Chicago:

https://www.chicagomaroon.com/article/2017/2/3/former-hud-castro/

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Castro concluded by speaking about his next steps. He explained that he will finish his memoir, use his platform to speak out on important issues, and perhaps return to politics one day. “I am keeping the option open to go back into politics,” Castro said. “I will be using my voice on issues that come up that I think are important.” 


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 05, 2017, 11:12:14 am
"Kasich to publish ‘Two Paths,’ a book offering a contrast to Trump’s America"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/01/31/kasich-to-publish-two-paths-a-book-offering-a-contrast-to-trumps-america/?utm_term=.3dd112d73bbc

Also of note in Kasich-world: Kasich allegedly "punishing" Hamilton County GOP for siding with Trump in the state party GOP chair fight:

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics-extra/2017/02/03/kasich-punishing-local-gop-backing-trump/97446558/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 05, 2017, 12:52:34 pm
Klobuchar's again asked if she has presidential or vice presidential ambitions, and again gives a non-denial:

http://www.virginiamn.com/opinion/columnists/a-comfortable-klobuchar-even-as-higher-office-calls/article_f6257058-eb51-11e6-b1a8-735503761fde.html

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“I am comfortable where I am,” she said.

EDIT: Also, here's the video of Klobuchar's appearance on "This Week":

https://twitter.com/amyklobuchar/status/828297772164067328


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 05, 2017, 01:31:28 pm
Going back to Julian Castro...also thought I'd mention that he's been very active on Twitter since leaving HUD.  Not really writing that much original content himself, but retweeting people and articles critical of Trump.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 05, 2017, 02:12:40 pm
Hickenlooper is visiting Cuba:

http://in.reuters.com/article/cuba-usa-colorado-idINKBN15K0OY

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The Colorado governor said the purpose of his trip was to view post-Fidel Castro Cuba and invite the country to his state’s Biennial of the Americas, which brings together the cultures, businesses and ideas of North and South America.

Hickenlooper said the Cubans had enthusiastically accepted the invitation to attend the event in September.

Hickenlooper said he did not doubt many innocent people were hurt during the early years of the Revolution, but most of those involved had passed away.

“The younger people seem eager to build a relationship with the United States,” he said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 06, 2017, 09:27:20 am
Booker makes another 2020 denial, but I still think the wording leaves some room for interpretation:

link (http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/02/booker_on_muslims_trump_and_breaking_senate_tradit.html)

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Q. As for talk of you running for president in 2020: Are you ready to announce here and now in your hometown paper?
A. It's irresponsible for any Democrats to talk about 2020 when we are in such crisis. I have no intention, no focus, no concern about 2020.

Q. So you're not ruling it out?
A. Right now I've ruled it out completely. I don't want to think about it.

So he says “I have no intention”, framing it as “irresponsible” for anyone to be thinking about the question right now….which of course doesn’t mean that he’s not going to get that intention some time within the next two and a half years.

Then he says “Right now I've ruled it out completely.  I don’t want to think about it.”  Which sounds like he’s again saying that “ruling it out” might be something temporary.  That he can revisit it when there is an appropriate time to “think about it”.

Compare that to the seemingly more definitive statement that came out of Franken’s office when they were asked about him running in 2020:

“Sen. Franken is not going to run for President in 2020.” (http://www.thewrap.com/al-franken-president-2020/)

Now that’s a simple declarative statement that uses the future tense to make it clear what you mean.  Maybe it’s a smoke screen, or maybe Franken will change his mind, but it’s not like Booker’s denial, which uses enough weasel words to muddy the waters.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on February 06, 2017, 02:36:02 pm
Elizabeth Warren has hired a new national security adviser:

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Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts added an experienced national security adviser to her staff Monday, as she looks to bolster her foreign policy credentials.

Sasha Baker, who last served as the deputy chief of staff to former Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter, joins the staff following Warren’s appointment to the Senate Armed Services Committee.

“Sasha is an expert in national security policy who has spent years serving our nation at the highest levels,” Warren said in a statement. “Sasha’s extensive experience, particularly with the kind of innovative defense work and scientific research in Massachusetts that helps and protects our servicemembers, will be of tremendous benefit to the Commonwealth.”

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2017/02/06/elizabeth-warren-hires-former-department-defense-official-national-security-aide/ZRbgXMuLz5rQG4JYI7drsL/story.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 07, 2017, 03:56:48 pm
Warren’s new book is coming out on April 18th (one week before Kasich’s book comes out):

http://www.wboc.com/story/34447453/sen-warren-book-on-middle-class-coming-in-april

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"This Fight Is Our Fight" will be released through Holt's Metropolitan Books imprint. It will offer a mini-history of the American middle class, from the New Deal of the 1930s to what the publisher calls President Donald Trump's "phony promises" that endanger it now. It will also include "candid accounts of her battles in the Senate, vivid stories about her life and work, and powerful descriptions of the experiences of working Americans," along with a plan for advancing progressive goals.

"Washington works great for the rich and powerful who can hire armies of lawyers and lobbyists, but it is not working very well for everyone else," Warren, who began the book well before Trump's election, said in a statement. "America's once-solid middle class is on the ropes, and now Donald Trump and his administration seem determined to deliver the knockout punch. At this perilous moment in our country's history, it's time to fight back - and I'm looking for more people to join me."

So I pose the same question I had for Kasich: Will her book tour include any stops in Iowa or New Hampshire?  :P

(http://images.worldnow.com/AP/images/13078519_G.jpg)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on February 07, 2017, 09:55:25 pm
In case someone tries to use her Carson vote against her, Elizabeth Warren can now say that she fought so hard against Sessions' nomination that they literally had to vote to make her stop talking.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: MP Scott🦋 on February 08, 2017, 05:26:11 am
Biden to teach at University of Pennsylvania (http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2017/02/07/joe-biden-to-teach-at-university-of-pennsylvania.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Spenstar on February 08, 2017, 05:29:33 am
Biden to teach at University of Pennsylvania (http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2017/02/07/joe-biden-to-teach-at-university-of-pennsylvania.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl)

Not Delaware???


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: MP Scott🦋 on February 08, 2017, 05:41:35 am
Biden to teach at University of Pennsylvania (http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2017/02/07/joe-biden-to-teach-at-university-of-pennsylvania.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl)

Not Delaware???

Delaware has universities? :P

I kind of saw Biden moving to Pennsylvania or New York or wherever after he left his post.  It's hard to imagine Delaware being a place where people live by choice, you know?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Spenstar on February 08, 2017, 05:50:47 am
Biden to teach at University of Pennsylvania (http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2017/02/07/joe-biden-to-teach-at-university-of-pennsylvania.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl)

Not Delaware???

Delaware has universities? :P

I kind of saw Biden moving to Pennsylvania or New York or wherever after he left his post.  It's hard to imagine Delaware being a place where people live by choice, you know?

The University of Delaware's a pretty good school :P


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 09, 2017, 09:57:17 am
Hickenlooper isn’t ruling out a run:

http://www.coloradoindependent.com/163902/hickenlooper-2020-president

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The Gazette today reports on a speech by Gov. John Hickenlooper in Colorado Springs where he praised the city’s resurgence. Someone asked him if he might run for president in 2020. “I’m a pretty moderate person,” he said in a video on the paper’s website. “I’m probably a very moderate Democrat.” He said in most primary seasons people like him play supporting roles, not lead roles. “So you won’t run in 2020,” someone asked. “I didn’t say that,” he said, adding that he has two years to make Colorado the “national model,” and that you “never rule anything out.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 09, 2017, 02:46:01 pm
Kasich is going to New Hampshire in April:

http://www.wmur.com/article/nh-primary-source-democrats-question-sununu-on-budget-priorities/8695185

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Ohio Gov. John Kasich will return to New Hampshire shortly after his new book, “Two Paths: America Divided or United,” is released in April, a source close to Kasich confirmed this week.

It could well be an unofficial launch of the next GOP first-in-the-nation presidential primary.

We understand the New Hampshire Institute of Politics is in the mix as a possible venue for a Kasich appearance.

Kasich, in the same email to friends and supporters announcing his book tour, praised Trump’s choice of Judge Neil Gorsuch for the Supreme Court, calling Gorsuch “a conservative, principled and eminently qualified pick.” But he also charged Trump’s executive order barring entry into the United States from seven predominantly Muslim countries “does serious harm to America’s standing in the world and is just plain wrong.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Comrade Funk on February 09, 2017, 03:08:53 pm
Biden to teach at University of Pennsylvania (http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2017/02/07/joe-biden-to-teach-at-university-of-pennsylvania.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl)

Not Delaware???

Delaware has universities? :P

I kind of saw Biden moving to Pennsylvania or New York or wherever after he left his post.  It's hard to imagine Delaware being a place where people live by choice, you know?
No sales tax, although I'm sure Biden is rich enough to not care lol


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Justice Blair on February 09, 2017, 03:12:33 pm
Tbh Kasich going to New Hampshire is probably to cash in the goodwill he got there, and to sell his book


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Oh Jeremy Corbyn! on February 09, 2017, 04:27:34 pm
Biden to teach at University of Pennsylvania (http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2017/02/07/joe-biden-to-teach-at-university-of-pennsylvania.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl)

So I guess he's not running for Carper's seat like many assumed.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Oh Jeremy Corbyn! on February 09, 2017, 04:29:42 pm
Hickenlooper isn’t ruling out a run:

http://www.coloradoindependent.com/163902/hickenlooper-2020-president

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The Gazette today reports on a speech by Gov. John Hickenlooper in Colorado Springs where he praised the city’s resurgence. Someone asked him if he might run for president in 2020. “I’m a pretty moderate person,” he said in a video on the paper’s website. “I’m probably a very moderate Democrat.” He said in most primary seasons people like him play supporting roles, not lead roles. “So you won’t run in 2020,” someone asked. “I didn’t say that,” he said, adding that he has two years to make Colorado the “national model,” and that you “never rule anything out.”


Well, the Democratic voters support single-payer and Hickenlooper fought hard against the single-payer ballot initiative.  He's not going anywhere.  Maybe he should run as a Republican.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Vosem on February 09, 2017, 04:38:00 pm
Hickenlooper isn’t ruling out a run:

http://www.coloradoindependent.com/163902/hickenlooper-2020-president

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The Gazette today reports on a speech by Gov. John Hickenlooper in Colorado Springs where he praised the city’s resurgence. Someone asked him if he might run for president in 2020. “I’m a pretty moderate person,” he said in a video on the paper’s website. “I’m probably a very moderate Democrat.” He said in most primary seasons people like him play supporting roles, not lead roles. “So you won’t run in 2020,” someone asked. “I didn’t say that,” he said, adding that he has two years to make Colorado the “national model,” and that you “never rule anything out.”


Well, the Democratic voters support single-payer and Hickenlooper fought hard against the single-payer ballot initiative.  He's not going anywhere.  Maybe he should run as a Republican.

If Hickenlooper does poorly, this won't be the reason. The state ballot initiative was massively flawed, both major parties came together to oppose it, and the people of the state voted against it 21/79. Even famously liberal Boulder County rejected it 38/62.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Oh Jeremy Corbyn! on February 09, 2017, 11:21:04 pm
Hickenlooper isn’t ruling out a run:

http://www.coloradoindependent.com/163902/hickenlooper-2020-president

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The Gazette today reports on a speech by Gov. John Hickenlooper in Colorado Springs where he praised the city’s resurgence. Someone asked him if he might run for president in 2020. “I’m a pretty moderate person,” he said in a video on the paper’s website. “I’m probably a very moderate Democrat.” He said in most primary seasons people like him play supporting roles, not lead roles. “So you won’t run in 2020,” someone asked. “I didn’t say that,” he said, adding that he has two years to make Colorado the “national model,” and that you “never rule anything out.”


Well, the Democratic voters support single-payer and Hickenlooper fought hard against the single-payer ballot initiative.  He's not going anywhere.  Maybe he should run as a Republican.

If Hickenlooper does poorly, this won't be the reason. The state ballot initiative was massively flawed, both major parties came together to oppose it, and the people of the state voted against it 21/79. Even famously liberal Boulder County rejected it 38/62.

Well yeah, if both the Democratic governor and the Democratic Senator oppose it, it obviously won't pass.  Perhaps they should have tried to introduce something that would work, but obviously they didn't care.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: publicunofficial on February 09, 2017, 11:27:53 pm
Hickenlooper isn’t ruling out a run:

http://www.coloradoindependent.com/163902/hickenlooper-2020-president

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The Gazette today reports on a speech by Gov. John Hickenlooper in Colorado Springs where he praised the city’s resurgence. Someone asked him if he might run for president in 2020. “I’m a pretty moderate person,” he said in a video on the paper’s website. “I’m probably a very moderate Democrat.” He said in most primary seasons people like him play supporting roles, not lead roles. “So you won’t run in 2020,” someone asked. “I didn’t say that,” he said, adding that he has two years to make Colorado the “national model,” and that you “never rule anything out.”


Well, the Democratic voters support single-payer and Hickenlooper fought hard against the single-payer ballot initiative.  He's not going anywhere.  Maybe he should run as a Republican.

If Hickenlooper does poorly, this won't be the reason. The state ballot initiative was massively flawed, both major parties came together to oppose it, and the people of the state voted against it 21/79. Even famously liberal Boulder County rejected it 38/62.

Well yeah, if both the Democratic governor and the Democratic Senator oppose it, it obviously won't pass.  Perhaps they should have tried to introduce something that would work, but obviously they didn't care.

Does Jimmy Dore/TYT have a video ripping Hickenlooper you can link us to?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 10, 2017, 10:42:02 am
http://www.chron.com/entertainment/the-wrap/article/Joe-Biden-Signs-With-CAA-for-Post-White-House-10923016.php

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Former Vice President Joe Biden has signed with Creative Artist Agency for post-White House work, the company announced on Friday.

The agency will represent Biden and his wife, Dr. Jill Biden, across all areas, helping to build upon their lifetime of work improving the lives of Americans and countless others around the world.

The Bidens continue to lead the initiative to end cancer they began during their final years in office.  They also recently announced the creation of the Biden Foundation, as well as partnerships with the University of Delaware and the University of Pennsylvania.

More Biden:

http://www.universityherald.com/articles/64298/20170208/joe-biden-university-pennsylvania-teacher-president-2020.htm

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He is set to lead the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement. This new center's goal is primarily focused on diplomacy, national security and foreign policy. Topics that Biden is versed on because of his previous roles in the government and politics, as reported by Fox News. Although the center is located in Washington, Biden will have his own personal office inside the Philadelphia Penn campus.

Aside from teaching international diplomacy, he will also hold joint appointments in the Annenberg School for Communication and the School of Arts and Sciences, and an affiliation with the Wharton School. University of Pennsylvania President Amy Gutmann is excited to have Biden on board because of his capacity to bring people together and tackling policy challenges.

He is also going to serve as a founding chair of Delaware's Biden Institute. The institute focuses on developing policy solutions when it comes to economic and environmental issues, including women's rights, criminal justice and more, as reported by Politico.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RI on February 10, 2017, 02:24:47 pm
I'm all for a Kasich 2020 bid. It makes perfect sense.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 10, 2017, 11:50:00 pm
A woman on Twitter whose bio says "West Michigan Reporter for @MichiganRadio" tweets:

https://twitter.com/lzsmitty/status/829901988569706497

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You guys, @justinamash says if I'd vote for him, he'd run for POTUS.

and Amash retweeted it.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 11, 2017, 09:55:55 am
John Weaver and other Kasich 2016 advisors have set up a nonprofit organization ”that will promote themes the Ohio governor pushed during his unsuccessful run for last year’s Republican presidential nomination" (http://www.cleveland.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/02/john_kasichs_allies_launch_pol.html):

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/10/politics/john-kasich-political-organization-donald-trump/index.html

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Just three weeks into Donald Trump's presidency, associates of former Republican primary rival John Kasich are already positioning him as the GOP's Trump alternative, launching a new political organization to champion his campaign themes -- from political tolerance to fiscal discipline.

The organization, called Two Paths America, will push for a balanced budget amendment, strong national defense and political bridge building.

"We believe there is more that brings us together than divides us, and that when we do come together, when we unite, America always wins," the homepage of the group's new website reads.
      
Two Paths America is a 501(c)(4) nonprofit political organization. It will advocate for policy and ideas and be run by longtime Kasich aides like John Weaver and Chris Schrimpf, but the Ohio governor will not technically be involved. However, Kasich's campaign apparatus, Kasich for America, continues to exist as well as his Super PAC, New Day for America.

"Two Paths" is of course also the name of Kasich's upcoming book.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Vosem on February 11, 2017, 05:47:58 pm
Will actually be very interesting to see just how well Kasich and Amash do in the early states. There hasn't been even a semi-serious attempt at challenging an incumbent President since Pat Buchanan ran in 1992 (and not an actually serious attempt since Ted Kennedy in 1980).


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 11, 2017, 10:11:03 pm
In late January, both of the Castro brothers participated in a meeting in Austin with Texas Democratic leaders to plot strategy for the 2018 midterms in Texas:

http://www.elpasoproud.com/news/texas-democrats-begin-to-plot-out-strategy-for-2018-midterms/654477531

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Sources say no decisions were made on whom should run in which slot, nor was that widely discussed. Instead, the emphasis was on ensuring that state leaders would work together to present the strongest slate possible.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Sprouts Farmers Market ✘ on February 12, 2017, 09:38:13 am
Seth Moulton in email convo with reporters about it?

https://twitter.com/TheFix/status/830784632090193922


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 12, 2017, 09:47:48 am
Sunday morning talk show watch: Sanders is on "Meet the Press" this morning:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEWS_SHOWS?SITE=AP


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 12, 2017, 09:56:35 am
Seth Moulton in email convo with reporters about it?

https://twitter.com/TheFix/status/830784632090193922

I don't interpret the tweet that way.  Some guy says he wants Moulton to run, and then Cillizza says he's doing an email convo with Moulton later this week.  Cillizza's comment doesn't indicate that the conversation has anything to do with Moulton running for president.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 12, 2017, 10:06:39 am
The headline here says that Gillibrand says she’s not running in 2020.  But the actual text in the article doesn’t establish that she said that:

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/319099-gillibrand-im-not-running-for-president-in-2020

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Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) is denying rumors that she will run for president in 2020.

“No, I am running for Senate. I’m running for Senate in 2018,” she said during an interview Sunday with radio host John Catsimatidis on AM 970 in New York.

“I really love my job and I feel like I can make a huge difference for New Yorkers, fighting for them," she said.

“No, I am running for Senate” and “I really love my job” doesn’t mean that you’re not also running for president in 2020.  It’s a standard non-denial response.  Though I guess it depends on what the “No” part is in response to, which we don’t know unless we get the transcript of what question was being asked.  Hopefully that’ll be released at some point.

In other news, sounds like another denial of some sort from Franken, but as with Gillibrand, I’d like to see the full context, which I guess we’ll get since SOTU does release transcripts eventually:

https://twitter.com/CNNSotu/status/830786014130094080


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Wolverine22 on February 12, 2017, 11:40:55 am
Hickenlooper isn’t ruling out a run:

http://www.coloradoindependent.com/163902/hickenlooper-2020-president

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The Gazette today reports on a speech by Gov. John Hickenlooper in Colorado Springs where he praised the city’s resurgence. Someone asked him if he might run for president in 2020. “I’m a pretty moderate person,” he said in a video on the paper’s website. “I’m probably a very moderate Democrat.” He said in most primary seasons people like him play supporting roles, not lead roles. “So you won’t run in 2020,” someone asked. “I didn’t say that,” he said, adding that he has two years to make Colorado the “national model,” and that you “never rule anything out.”


Well, the Democratic voters support single-payer and Hickenlooper fought hard against the single-payer ballot initiative.  He's not going anywhere.  Maybe he should run as a Republican.

If Hickenlooper does poorly, this won't be the reason. The state ballot initiative was massively flawed, both major parties came together to oppose it, and the people of the state voted against it 21/79. Even famously liberal Boulder County rejected it 38/62.

Sounds a lot like the Ohio marijuana abortion of a ballot measure.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 12, 2017, 11:41:33 am
As I mentioned in another thread, despite previously closing the door to running for president in 2020, Mark Cuban seems to have reopened it at least a little by sharing this email he wrote to Trump in May 2016, in which he says “I may go after that job some day and it could be against you”:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4eNZyzUcAMXwPT.jpg)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Oh Jeremy Corbyn! on February 12, 2017, 12:34:08 pm
Hickenlooper isn’t ruling out a run:

http://www.coloradoindependent.com/163902/hickenlooper-2020-president

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The Gazette today reports on a speech by Gov. John Hickenlooper in Colorado Springs where he praised the city’s resurgence. Someone asked him if he might run for president in 2020. “I’m a pretty moderate person,” he said in a video on the paper’s website. “I’m probably a very moderate Democrat.” He said in most primary seasons people like him play supporting roles, not lead roles. “So you won’t run in 2020,” someone asked. “I didn’t say that,” he said, adding that he has two years to make Colorado the “national model,” and that you “never rule anything out.”


Well, the Democratic voters support single-payer and Hickenlooper fought hard against the single-payer ballot initiative.  He's not going anywhere.  Maybe he should run as a Republican.

If Hickenlooper does poorly, this won't be the reason. The state ballot initiative was massively flawed, both major parties came together to oppose it, and the people of the state voted against it 21/79. Even famously liberal Boulder County rejected it 38/62.

Well yeah, if both the Democratic governor and the Democratic Senator oppose it, it obviously won't pass.  Perhaps they should have tried to introduce something that would work, but obviously they didn't care.

Does Jimmy Dore/TYT have a video ripping Hickenlooper you can link us to?

Not that I know of, but I take it you don't want people to have access to healthcare?  Maybe you should change your avatar.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 12, 2017, 01:46:25 pm
Here's the video of Franken being asked about 2020, with the Stuart Smalley reference:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wom8Q4GI_u8&t=9m0s


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 12, 2017, 02:49:13 pm
OK, here’s the full audio of the radio interview in which Gillibrand supposedly ruled out a presidential run (if you buy The Hill’s framing):

http://catsroundtable.com/kirsten-gillibrand-cats-roundtable-radio-show/

The question comes at the ~10:20 mark or so:

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Catsimatidis: There was rumors around that you were considering running for president in 2020.

Gillibrand: No, I am running for Senate. I’m running for Senate in 2018, and I really love my job and I feel like I can make a huge difference for New Yorkers, fighting for them.

So yeah, hardly a categorical denial, as the headline from The Hill would have you believe.  She just deflects the question, and says she’s running for reelection for Senate.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on February 12, 2017, 03:10:36 pm
I don't know why The Hill, editors at Wikipedia, and other sources are so intent on ruling out people as potential candidates.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 13, 2017, 09:07:39 am
I don't know why The Hill, editors at Wikipedia, and other sources are so intent on ruling out people as potential candidates.

Other news outlets seem to have picked up The Hill's framing, suggesting that Gillibrand has said she won't run for president, even though that's not really what she said:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/kirsten-gillibrand-says-shes-not-going-to-run-for-president-in-2020/
http://nypost.com/2017/02/12/gillibrand-says-she-wont-be-running-against-trump-in-2020/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 13, 2017, 01:58:09 pm
Malloy spoke at the DNC regional forum in Baltimore on Saturday:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dan-malloy-governors-front-line_us_589f3445e4b03df370d6bbb0

In other news, last week Jason Kander launched a new 527 group called “Let America Vote”, which focuses on voting rights:

http://krcu.org/post/missouris-kander-hopes-use-national-stage-bigger-mic-advance-voting-rights-democrats#stream/0

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[Kander has] been a frequent presence on CNN and MSNBC in recent weeks, a guest on HBO’s “Real Time with Bill Maher” and had an op-ed published in the Washington Post.

Plus, Kander announced that he’s formed a new political group called “Let America Vote” that will focus on pushing back against Republican efforts to impose stricter requirements on voters — an issue he spoke out about during his time in office.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Doctor Imperialism on February 13, 2017, 02:24:07 pm
It is such a crying shame that Kander lost his Senate race.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 13, 2017, 04:23:17 pm
So apparently about a week and a half ago, Kamala Harris was asked about 2020.  Not asked whether she was thinking about running, but asked why people think she might run:

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-ol-patt-morrison-kamala-harris-trump-2020-president-20170201-story.html

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Morrison: After the Nov. 8 elections, the Democrats were gobsmacked by the results. What does it say about the state of the party that, within a week or two of presidential election 2016, your name was being bandied election for the presidential election of 2020?

Harris: There was a lot that happened during the course of the election. I’ll leave it to the pundits to analyze exactly what it all meant.

But in terms of the state of the Democratic party, I strongly believe that the commitment that we are all making as we go forward post-11/8 —  which is what I call it — in this post-11/8 world, we have to recommit ourselves to some of the fundamental principles and priorities of the Democratic party, including coalition building, which means bringing all of who we are as Americans together, by bringing together Latinos and African Americans and women and people who care about choice and people who care about the environment and people who care about labor and people who care about children’s issues.

When people wake up at 3 o’clock in the morning concerned about something, it is never through the lens of them being a Democrat or a Republican. In fact, it always has something to do with their health, the health of their children, can they keep a roof over their heads, are they going to be able to retire with dignity. We’re going to have to get back to really all of us remembering that, and we have to speak to where they are, and we have to see them and understand the lives they are actually living.

Morrison: So why your name in that context?

Harris: I don’t know why my name is in that context. I’m focused on being the junior senator from California and very proud to be representing our beautiful state.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: / on February 13, 2017, 04:26:27 pm
^It really annoys me when people use the "11/8" thing. The implication is extremely disrespectful.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 13, 2017, 09:31:08 pm
Mark Cuban, who previously said there was “no possible way” he would run for president, has now opened the door to running with his latest comments following his Twitter feud with Trump:

http://www.businessinsider.com/mark-cuban-for-president-maybe-2017-2

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Billionaire businessman Mark Cuban hinted on Monday that he may choose to seek the presidency in the future.

"We will see," Cuban told Business Insider in an email.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on February 13, 2017, 11:46:18 pm
Chris Murphy reacts to the NY Post story that Bannon is doing oppo research on him:

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Murphy capitalized on The Post story by sending out a fundraising email with the subject line "Looks like we have Steve Bannon's attention."

"You can imagine my surprise when I woke up yesterday to news that the White House political department is scouring my background because of my outspoken efforts to stop the worst of President Trump's dangerous agenda," the email reads, before quoting from The Post story. "I'll take it as a compliment."

http://www.courant.com/politics/hc-chris-murphy-donald-trump-2020-20170213-story.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 14, 2017, 10:22:37 am
While Murphy seemed to shoot down talk of him running for president back in December, he apparently reacted to the question with humor when asked this month at an event at Wesleyan:

http://wesleying.org/2017/02/11/senator-chris-murphy-visits-wesleyan-for-town-hall-on-environmental-policy/

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Relatively early in the town hall, someone stood up and asked Senator Murphy whether he would be announcing a run for President in 2020. Murphy’s response?

“Sit down. Sit down. Next question.”

Laughter followed.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: henster on February 14, 2017, 10:03:44 pm
A platform on gun control is last thing Ds need in winning back the Midwest. Truth is gun control was a never at the forefront in either of Obama's campaigns, and he was quiet on the issue after Aurora which happened in the middle of the '12 campaign. And Murphy's big issue is guns...


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: publicunofficial on February 15, 2017, 02:46:37 am
National Journal article on Tulsi Gabbard, and how she may face a serious primary challenge this cycle or choose to run in a primary against Mazie Hirono instead:

https://www.nationaljournal.com/s/648013/fresh-look-at-tulsi-gabbards-political-future

A loss in either primary is probably the death of Gabbard's career.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on February 15, 2017, 03:07:58 am
National Journal article on Tulsi Gabbard, and how she may face a serious primary challenge this cycle or choose to run in a primary against Mazie Hirono instead:

https://www.nationaljournal.com/s/648013/fresh-look-at-tulsi-gabbards-political-future

A loss in either primary is probably the death of Gabbard's career.

(http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/avatars/Green/G_HI.gif)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: publicunofficial on February 15, 2017, 03:21:14 am
National Journal article on Tulsi Gabbard, and how she may face a serious primary challenge this cycle or choose to run in a primary against Mazie Hirono instead:

https://www.nationaljournal.com/s/648013/fresh-look-at-tulsi-gabbards-political-future

A loss in either primary is probably the death of Gabbard's career.

(http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/avatars/Green/G_HI.gif)

Losing a primary (possibly to a Buddhist?) and then becoming the Green Party nominee would fulfill the Cynthia McKinney Prophecy as fortold by myself.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 15, 2017, 09:39:47 am
Another new job for Joe Biden:

http://www.thedp.com/article/2017/02/joe-biden-gets-another-job-in-philadelphia

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Joe Biden has another job in Philadelphia — the former vice president and future Penn professor has been named the chair of the National Constitution Center, the Philadelphia Inquirer reported on Tuesday.

This news comes a week after Biden was officially named a Penn professor, where he will hold joint appointments in the Annenberg School for Communication and the School of Arts and Sciences, with a secondary affiliation in the Wharton School.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Hindsight is 2020 on February 15, 2017, 11:09:53 am
A platform on gun control is last thing Ds need in winning back the Midwest. Truth is gun control was a never at the forefront in either of Obama's campaigns, and he was quiet on the issue after Aurora which happened in the middle of the '12 campaign. And Murphy's big issue is guns...
Right now we have no idea if Murphy did run what his platform would be 


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on February 15, 2017, 11:11:31 am
^It really annoys me when people use the "11/8" thing. The implication is extremely disrespectful.

I hadn't heard that until now. I have to agree.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 16, 2017, 01:24:20 pm
Booker speaking at a MT Dem dinner next month. (http://www.ktvq.com/story/34516266/sen-cory-booker-to-speak-at-montana-democratic-party-dinner)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Tricks33 on February 16, 2017, 02:22:28 pm
I think the race for the whit hous in 2020 will be Bernie and Trump. Hopefuly anyways


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 16, 2017, 04:36:41 pm
Kasich leaving today for a trip to Europe.  He’s visiting Germany and the UK:

http://www.sent-trib.com/news/kasich-to-visit-germany-england-during-european-trip/article_9dd4e910-f3ee-11e6-804d-53a5f7aab88d.html

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Kasich was invited by Sen. John McCain to join a bipartisan congressional delegation at the Munich Security Conference, said Kasich spokesman Jim Lynch. The Republican senator from Arizona chairs the Senate Armed Services Committee and is heading the delegation. Vice President Mike Pence, Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly also are expected to attend the event.

Kasich also plans business meetings in London seeking new development for Ohio in the fields of advanced manufacturing, energy, finance and automotive technology. His itinerary was arranged by JobsOhio, Kasich's privatized job-creation office, Lynch said.
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The trip continues a pattern of out-of-state travel by Kasich, a 2016 GOP presidential contender who has said he intends to remain relevant on the national stage.

Recent appearances have included a talk on U.S.-Dutch relations under the Trump administration at the Embassy of the Netherlands in Washington and remarks on Martin Luther King Jr. Day at the King Center in Atlanta.

Klobuchar and Murphy are also attending that Munich conference, along with a bunch of Senators who are probably not planning to run for president, like McCain, Corker, and Whitehouse:

http://www.upmatters.com/news/local-news/peters-to-travel-to-munich-security-conference-with-bipartisan-congressional-delegation/658769289


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 16, 2017, 04:49:10 pm
Actually, looks like every Senator going to that Munich conference except for Klobuchar is on at least one of these Senate committees:

Armed Services
Foreign Relations
Select Commmittee on Intelligence
Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe

Klobuchar’s not on any of those.  She’s not really on any kind of foreign policy or security related committees, but she’s doing another national security-oriented foreign trip (she just did that Eastern Europe trip in December).  Maybe that’s to burnish her national security credentials for national office, I don’t know.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 17, 2017, 08:26:50 am
Kerry doesn’t rule out running for president again in 2020:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/john-kerry-hasnt-ruled-anything-in-or-anything-out-for-2020-run/article/2615099

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Former Secretary of State John Kerry has not ruled out running for president again in 2020, according to a new interview.

The 2004 Democratic presidential nominee, who lost to George W. Bush, is suggesting he could be up for potentially running against President Trump.

"I haven't been thinking about it or talking about it," Kerry told the New York Times before adding, "I haven't ruled anything in or anything out."

In December, Kerry also said he had thought "for a minute or two" about jumping into the action.

For now though, Kerry has a new job:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/16/us/john-kerry-finds-a-job-as-a-yale-fellow.html

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Mr. Secretary has a new title: Professor.

Former Secretary of State John Kerry was out of work for about a month before landing a new job at his alma mater, Yale, where he will teach a course as well as host presentations called “Kerry Conversations.”

The new program, called the Kerry Initiative, was announced today by the university’s Jackson Institute for Global Affairs.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 18, 2017, 10:14:29 am
A week after Mark Cuban seemingly re-opened the door to a future presidential run, he does a bit of trolling by wearing a No. 46 jersey at the NBA All-Star Celebrity Game:

http://www.kabc.com/news/cuban-wore-president-number-46-during-the-nba-all-star-celebrity-game/

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It’s a direct shot of the 2020 presidential race, and represents the number of the next president.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C46wg8nUEAAjt4E.jpg)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Jeppe on February 18, 2017, 10:17:36 am
I hope Mazie Hirono destroys Tulsi Gabbard in a primary, 80-20 or something alongside those lines, and end her career for good.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Vega on February 18, 2017, 12:48:45 pm
Kerry doesn’t rule out running for president again in 2020:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/john-kerry-hasnt-ruled-anything-in-or-anything-out-for-2020-run/article/2615099

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Former Secretary of State John Kerry has not ruled out running for president again in 2020, according to a new interview.

The 2004 Democratic presidential nominee, who lost to George W. Bush, is suggesting he could be up for potentially running against President Trump.

"I haven't been thinking about it or talking about it," Kerry told the New York Times before adding, "I haven't ruled anything in or anything out."

In December, Kerry also said he had thought "for a minute or two" about jumping into the action.

For now though, Kerry has a new job:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/16/us/john-kerry-finds-a-job-as-a-yale-fellow.html

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Mr. Secretary has a new title: Professor.

Former Secretary of State John Kerry was out of work for about a month before landing a new job at his alma mater, Yale, where he will teach a course as well as host presentations called “Kerry Conversations.”

The new program, called the Kerry Initiative, was announced today by the university’s Jackson Institute for Global Affairs.


Yeah, I would definitely watch Kerry. He must be lending some thought to it or otherwise he would dismiss it out of hand.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 18, 2017, 01:50:55 pm
Sunday morning talk show watch: Kasich will appear on CNN’s “State of the Union” tomorrow (he’s on his European trip right now, so I guess it’ll be conducted via satellite, or else they have someone there to interview him in person):

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEWS_SHOWS?SITE=AP

Curious to see if his recent political moves prompt them to ask him about whether he has future presidential plans.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: publicunofficial on February 18, 2017, 02:02:31 pm
Inslee was asked about his 2020 ambitions on this week's The Seattle Times politics podcast. Said "It's not in the stars. I'm focused on (being governor)" and pointed out he had been passionate about the refugee situation since before Trump's rise.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 18, 2017, 05:31:03 pm
Booker goes on "mysterious mission" to Texas:

http://www.rollcall.com/news/hoh/cory-bookers-mysterious-mission-to-texas


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 19, 2017, 09:29:48 am
Sunday morning talk show watch: Kasich will appear on CNN’s “State of the Union” tomorrow (he’s on his European trip right now, so I guess it’ll be conducted via satellite, or else they have someone there to interview him in person):

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEWS_SHOWS?SITE=AP

Curious to see if his recent political moves prompt them to ask him about whether he has future presidential plans.


Looks like Kander will also be on SOTU this morning:

link (https://www.facebook.com/CNNStateoftheUnion/photos/a.101700693435.117126.69410693435/10155059153903436/?type=3&theater)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 19, 2017, 09:33:19 am
Kasich in Munich talking to Poroshenko:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C49_iO4VUAAnwdl.jpg)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Kingpoleon on February 19, 2017, 02:16:23 pm
Kasich in Munich talking to Poroshenko:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C49_iO4VUAAnwdl.jpg)

Who speaks what language?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: mencken on February 19, 2017, 04:07:42 pm
Kasich in Munich talking to Poroshenko:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C49_iO4VUAAnwdl.jpg)

Who speaks what language?

Romanian seems like a natural compromise language between a Croatian-American Moderate HeroTM politician and a Ukrainian President.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 19, 2017, 06:55:20 pm
O’Malley tweets:

https://twitter.com/MartinOMalley/status/832972711290892289

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I am committed to electing Democrats across the country. Join me in the fight to rebuild majorities in the states: https://your.martinomalley.com/page/s/join 

What is martinomalley.com though?  It appears to be his presidential campaign website.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 20, 2017, 01:33:35 pm
Scott Walker spoke with Iowa Republican state legislators over Skype last week:

http://fox6now.com/2017/02/14/gov-scott-walker-talks-with-iowa-republicans-before-union-vote/

Walker’s also speaking at CPAC later this week, and of course, at last summer’s RNC, he spoke with the IA, NH, and SC delegations (as did Tom Cotton)....though that was back when most people thought there was a >50% chance that Hillary Clinton would be the incumbent president in 2020 rather than Trump.  He may still have presidential ambitions, yet he really doesn’t seem like a very likely person to challenge incumbent president Trump for the nomination.  So I’m assuming that he’s either playing for 2024, or else hedging his bets in case Trump doesn’t run for another term for whatever reason.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on February 20, 2017, 08:56:27 pm
Kasich has a tentatively scheduled private meeting with Trump on Friday.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/20/politics/john-kasich-donald-trump/index.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on February 20, 2017, 10:08:19 pm
Hickenlooper dodging the presidential question on CNN:

https://twitter.com/ErinBurnett/status/833869649280397312


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 20, 2017, 10:25:46 pm
New WSJ story on Amash's trolling of Trump on Twitter:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/justin-amash-emerges-as-leading-critic-of-fellow-republican-donald-trump-1487599201?mod=e2tw

Hickenlooper dodging the presidential question on CNN:

https://twitter.com/ErinBurnett/status/833869649280397312

Burnett: But it’s on the table?

Hickenlooper: Oh I don’t know, there’s going to be a lot of things on the table….

Then he quickly changed the subject.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Southern Dep. Speaker Dwarven Dragon on February 21, 2017, 01:33:56 am
CPAC Schedule: http://cpac.conservative.org/agenda/

Thursday:

~9:30 AM: Scott Walker
10:05 AM: PANEL DISCUSSION: Matt Bevin, Sam Brownback, Doug Ducey, Scott Walker
11:10 AM: Ted Cruz
7:30 PM: Mike Pence

Friday:

10:20 AM: Donald Trump
3:00 PM: Carly Fiorina

Saturday:

1:10 PM: PANEL DISCUSSION: Tom Borielli, Francis Rooney, Alex Smith, Scott Walker
2:25 PM: PANEL DISCUSSION: Robert Davi, Niger Innis, Rick Santorum, Salena Zito
3:05 PM: STRAW POLL


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 21, 2017, 09:38:48 am
Kasich has a tentatively scheduled private meeting with Trump on Friday.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/20/politics/john-kasich-donald-trump/index.html

TMZ say there's a dispute over who requested the meeting:

http://www.tmz.com/2017/02/21/donald-trump-john-kasich-meeting/

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Our Trump sources say it was Kasich who requested Friday's meeting, but our Kasich sources dispute that and say Trump wanted the sit-down.

Our Kasich sources also say the governor is in the dark on the purpose of the meeting ... Trump isn't saying. Trump's people say, "There's no agenda. It's just to catch up."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Arch on February 21, 2017, 03:34:06 pm
CPAC Schedule: http://cpac.conservative.org/agenda/

Thursday:

~9:30 AM: Scott Walker
10:05 AM: PANEL DISCUSSION: Matt Bevin, Sam Brownback, Doug Ducey, Scott Walker
11:10 AM: Ted Cruz
7:30 PM: Mike Pence

Friday:

10:20 AM: Donald Trump
3:00 PM: Carly Fiorina

Saturday:

1:10 PM: PANEL DISCUSSION: Tom Borielli, Francis Rooney, Alex Smith, Scott Walker
2:25 PM: PANEL DISCUSSION: Robert Davi, Niger Innis, Rick Santorum, Salena Zito
3:05 PM: STRAW POLL

very low energy group

Snoozefest


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 21, 2017, 05:08:56 pm
Longtime Cuomo campaign finance director Thomas Giordano has stepped down, and Cuomo has hired Clinton 2016 campaign veteran Gita Tiku to replace him.  Before working on the Clinton presidential campaign, Tiku worked at the Clinton Global Initiative:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/cuomo-campaign-loses-finance-director-article-1.2976714


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 21, 2017, 05:59:01 pm
Yesterday, Julian Castro joined several Democratic members of Congress for a tour of the Pharr International Bridge on the Mexican border, followed by an immigration roundtable:

http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/opinion/editorials/article_ec02b5ac-f7e7-11e6-a440-f34bc6a4e479.html

You can see him speaking at it about ~20 minutes into the video here:

https://www.facebook.com/UsCongressmanFilemonVela/posts/1436508436393553


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on February 21, 2017, 06:32:03 pm
Big:

Bob Hardt ‏@bobhardt  26m26 minutes ago
Gillibrand pledges a full 6-year term if she's re-elected in 2018, adding Gov. Cuomo would "be a great candidate" for president. @ny1 7&10pm


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on February 21, 2017, 06:52:23 pm
Big:

Bob Hardt ‏@bobhardt  26m26 minutes ago
Gillibrand pledges a full 6-year term if she's re-elected in 2018, adding Gov. Cuomo would "be a great candidate" for president. @ny1 7&10pm

Who become NY Gov. if Cuomo steps down to run?

Lt. Gov Kathy Hochul, assuming she's on the ticket again.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 21, 2017, 09:19:53 pm
Big:

Bob Hardt ‏@bobhardt  26m26 minutes ago
Gillibrand pledges a full 6-year term if she's re-elected in 2018, adding Gov. Cuomo would "be a great candidate" for president. @ny1 7&10pm

Here is the video:

https://twitter.com/RoadToCityHall/status/834187485261549573

Honestly, I am not really buying it.  It is not really so much a "pledge" as it is...she says she's running for reelection, and that that is her sole focus, and then the guy asks "You would serve your full term?" and she almost sheepishly responds "Yeah".  It doesn't seem like a premeditated Shermanesque commitment, like Franken and Kaine gave.

However, this does highlight the fact that all of the folks up in 2018 (Brown, Cuomo, Gillibrand, Klobuchar, Sanders, Warren, etc.) are going to have to come up with some clever answer to the "Are you committing to serving a full term if you are reelected?" question.

Who become NY Gov. if Cuomo steps down to run?

No way does he step down in order to run.  He'll run for president while remaining New York governor, and won't quit as gov. unless/until he is actually elected president.

Cuomo's one advantage in the primary is that he's the sitting governor of New York, a big state in which many rich people have financial interests.  Thus, there are many wealthy people who will seek to suck up to him and donate money even if he's in single digits in the polls, because he wields power now as NY governor.  If he quits as governor then he loses that.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on February 21, 2017, 09:56:22 pm
Big:

Bob Hardt ‏@bobhardt  26m26 minutes ago
Gillibrand pledges a full 6-year term if she's re-elected in 2018, adding Gov. Cuomo would "be a great candidate" for president. @ny1 7&10pm

Here is the video:

https://twitter.com/RoadToCityHall/status/834187485261549573

Honestly, I am not really buying it.  It is not really so much a "pledge" as it is...she says she's running for reelection, and that that is her sole focus, and then the guy asks "You would serve your full term?" and she almost sheepishly responds "Yeah".  It doesn't seem like a premeditated Shermanesque commitment, like Franken and Kaine gave.

However, this does highlight the fact that all of the folks up in 2018 (Brown, Cuomo, Gillibrand, Klobuchar, Sanders, Warren, etc.) are going to have to come up with some clever answer to the "Are you committing to serving a full term if you are reelected?" question.

Yeah that video context changes the meaning behind the tweet a lot. Her saying this doesn't mean much. Side note, Gillibrand has a higher pitched voice than I imagined.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 21, 2017, 11:04:19 pm
Yesterday, Julian Castro joined several Democratic members of Congress for a tour of the Pharr International Bridge on the Mexican border, followed by an immigration roundtable:

http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/opinion/editorials/article_ec02b5ac-f7e7-11e6-a440-f34bc6a4e479.html

You can see him speaking at it about ~20 minutes into the video here:

https://www.facebook.com/UsCongressmanFilemonVela/posts/1436508436393553


He was also on Anderson Cooper 360 tonight:

https://twitter.com/AC360/status/834232170159996928
https://twitter.com/AC360/status/834231696178413568


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: LabourJersey on February 21, 2017, 11:09:29 pm
Big:

Bob Hardt ‏@bobhardt  26m26 minutes ago
Gillibrand pledges a full 6-year term if she's re-elected in 2018, adding Gov. Cuomo would "be a great candidate" for president. @ny1 7&10pm

Here is the video:

https://twitter.com/RoadToCityHall/status/834187485261549573

Honestly, I am not really buying it.  It is not really so much a "pledge" as it is...she says she's running for reelection, and that that is her sole focus, and then the guy asks "You would serve your full term?" and she almost sheepishly responds "Yeah".  It doesn't seem like a premeditated Shermanesque commitment, like Franken and Kaine gave.

However, this does highlight the fact that all of the folks up in 2018 (Brown, Cuomo, Gillibrand, Klobuchar, Sanders, Warren, etc.) are going to have to come up with some clever answer to the "Are you committing to serving a full term if you are reelected?" question.

Yeah that video context changes the meaning behind the tweet a lot. Her saying this doesn't mean much. Side note, Gillibrand has a higher pitched voice than I imagined.

You should never believe politicians when they say this kind of stuff, anyway.

Also I though the same thing about Gillibrand. The voice should be a minor thing, but I worry that the 4chan lowlifes would cause some pointless uproar about "hysterical women" or some similar BS if she actually ran for POTUS.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: NeederNodder on February 21, 2017, 11:48:33 pm
http://observer.com/2017/02/kirsten-gillibrand-andrew-cuomo-president-2020/?utm_campaign=social+flow&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social

Gillibrand says that Cuomo would be a great candidate against Trump


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Solidarity Forever on February 22, 2017, 01:11:07 am
Here's hoping Cuomo and Booker split the Clinton vote.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on February 22, 2017, 01:38:35 am
Article about Jay Inslee (http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/inslees-profile-lifted-with-states-legal-victories-on-immigration/)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 22, 2017, 10:09:44 am
Are you ready for Chafee 2020?  He’s been doing a “comeback tour” on the political media circuit:

http://www.providencejournal.com/news/20170221/lincoln-chafee-defends-trump-criticizes-raimondo-and-does-not-rule-out-return-to-politics

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A week ago, he was on Russian-sponsored TV. Over the weekend, he appeared with former Providence mayor Joseph Paolino on the ABC6 program "In the Arena." On Tuesday, he was on WPRO radio, second-guessing his successor, Gov. Gina Raimondo, and siding with President Donald Trump against "the mainstream media" who, in Democrat Chafee's view, derailed his own presidential bid.

Asked if he intends to mount a political comeback bid, the one-term governor told WPRO host Tara Granahan: "Things are good right now. We'll see what happens."

Asked if he wants "to get back in," he said: "There's a presidential run in 2020. You know I've done crazy things before." Then he laughed.
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"That's what I am enjoying spending time trying to figure out," said Chafee, after a year far removed from the political world that included a horse hike in Alberta, Canada, with daughter Thea, time in Rio de Janeiro cheering daughter Louisa on in the 2016 Olympics, backpacking through Southeast Asia and New Zealand with his son and spending time here at home with his 90-year-old mother.

But yeah, while he mentioned 2020, it sounds like he wasn’t too seriously about it.  Later in the interview, he said “anything’s possible” when asked if he’d run for governor again.

Also, in this story:

https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2017/02/21/lincoln-chaffee-jokes-about-running-for-president-again-in-2020

he says he voted for Sanders in the Democratic primary last year, and then Clinton in the general election.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Free Bird on February 22, 2017, 01:53:48 pm
Are you ready for Chafee 2020?  He’s been doing a “comeback tour” on the political media circuit:

http://www.providencejournal.com/news/20170221/lincoln-chafee-defends-trump-criticizes-raimondo-and-does-not-rule-out-return-to-politics

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A week ago, he was on Russian-sponsored TV. Over the weekend, he appeared with former Providence mayor Joseph Paolino on the ABC6 program "In the Arena." On Tuesday, he was on WPRO radio, second-guessing his successor, Gov. Gina Raimondo, and siding with President Donald Trump against "the mainstream media" who, in Democrat Chafee's view, derailed his own presidential bid.

Asked if he intends to mount a political comeback bid, the one-term governor told WPRO host Tara Granahan: "Things are good right now. We'll see what happens."

Asked if he wants "to get back in," he said: "There's a presidential run in 2020. You know I've done crazy things before." Then he laughed.
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Still have the political bug?

"That's what I am enjoying spending time trying to figure out," said Chafee, after a year far removed from the political world that included a horse hike in Alberta, Canada, with daughter Thea, time in Rio de Janeiro cheering daughter Louisa on in the 2016 Olympics, backpacking through Southeast Asia and New Zealand with his son and spending time here at home with his 90-year-old mother.

But yeah, while he mentioned 2020, it sounds like he wasn’t too seriously about it.  Later in the interview, he said “anything’s possible” when asked if he’d run for governor again.

Also, in this story:

https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2017/02/21/lincoln-chaffee-jokes-about-running-for-president-again-in-2020

he says he voted for Sanders in the Democratic primary last year, and then Clinton in the general election.


He could also be guessing Reed retires in 2020 and is playing with a Senate comeback.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 22, 2017, 03:26:47 pm
Cuomo spoke at a union event in the Bronx today, and 2020 came up….in the form of someone yelling from the crowd:

http://observer.com/2017/02/show-us-what-youre-made-of-cuomo-urges-national-dems-to-use-tea-party-tactics-against-trump/

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Gov. Andrew Cuomo called on Washington Democrats to “show us what you’re made of” by pushing back hard against President Donald Trump and congressional Republicans on the Affordable Care Act and other issues, appearing to position himself as a national leader as rumors of his potential 2020 presidential bid run rampant.

Cuomo made the remarks at a union-led rally in the Bronx against the GOP push to repeal Obamacare. Cuomo recalled how Republican Congresses fought former Presidents Bill Clinton and Barack Obama “every step of the way”—and said his own party must now “take a page out of their book.”
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But the 200-strong crowd at today’s event seemed enthusiastic about a possible Cuomo White House, too. One attendee yelled out, “Cuomo for president!”

“Don’t be starting trouble,” Cuomo retorted, garnering laughter from the audience.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 22, 2017, 03:57:20 pm
The National Governors Association Winter Meeting is being held in DC from Friday to Monday, including a Sunday night ball at the White House that will happen at the same time as the Oscars:

https://meetings.nga.org/files/live/sites/meetings/files/wm17/docs/2017GovStaffAgenda.pdf

I assume that the governors who double as potential 2020 presidential candidates, like Cuomo and Hickenlooper, will be there, though I don’t know.  Will be interesting to see if there’s any 2020 talk about anyone there.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Figueira on February 22, 2017, 04:28:11 pm
Are you ready for Chafee 2020?  He’s been doing a “comeback tour” on the political media circuit:

http://www.providencejournal.com/news/20170221/lincoln-chafee-defends-trump-criticizes-raimondo-and-does-not-rule-out-return-to-politics

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A week ago, he was on Russian-sponsored TV. Over the weekend, he appeared with former Providence mayor Joseph Paolino on the ABC6 program "In the Arena." On Tuesday, he was on WPRO radio, second-guessing his successor, Gov. Gina Raimondo, and siding with President Donald Trump against "the mainstream media" who, in Democrat Chafee's view, derailed his own presidential bid.

Asked if he intends to mount a political comeback bid, the one-term governor told WPRO host Tara Granahan: "Things are good right now. We'll see what happens."

Asked if he wants "to get back in," he said: "There's a presidential run in 2020. You know I've done crazy things before." Then he laughed.
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Still have the political bug?

"That's what I am enjoying spending time trying to figure out," said Chafee, after a year far removed from the political world that included a horse hike in Alberta, Canada, with daughter Thea, time in Rio de Janeiro cheering daughter Louisa on in the 2016 Olympics, backpacking through Southeast Asia and New Zealand with his son and spending time here at home with his 90-year-old mother.

But yeah, while he mentioned 2020, it sounds like he wasn’t too seriously about it.  Later in the interview, he said “anything’s possible” when asked if he’d run for governor again.

Also, in this story:

https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2017/02/21/lincoln-chaffee-jokes-about-running-for-president-again-in-2020

he says he voted for Sanders in the Democratic primary last year, and then Clinton in the general election.


He could also be guessing Reed retires in 2020 and is playing with a Senate comeback.

Honestly the article makes it sound like he wants to primary Raimondo.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 23, 2017, 09:28:21 am
Murphy asked about 2020 again:

http://yaledailynews.com/blog/2017/02/23/chris-murphy-talks-politics-in-trump-era/

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One audience member asked Murphy who he expected to emerge as the top Democratic presidential candidates for the 2020 election and whether he was considering making a bid of his own. The question was one of just a few that drew general applause from the audience. In reference to a recent New York Post report that the Trump administration has already begun looking into Murphy and three other top Democrats as potential challengers in 2020, Murphy said he found it “flattering” to be on the list but that he had was not considering a presidential run.

“I’m not thinking about running for president,” he said. “I’m thinking about running for re-election on the ballot here in Connecticut in 2018, and that’s my singular focus. I am interested, though, in being part of an emerging group of young Democratic leaders that I think has to step forward right now.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Spenstar on February 23, 2017, 11:59:30 am
Murphy asked about 2020 again:

http://yaledailynews.com/blog/2017/02/23/chris-murphy-talks-politics-in-trump-era/

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One audience member asked Murphy who he expected to emerge as the top Democratic presidential candidates for the 2020 election and whether he was considering making a bid of his own. The question was one of just a few that drew general applause from the audience. In reference to a recent New York Post report that the Trump administration has already begun looking into Murphy and three other top Democrats as potential challengers in 2020, Murphy said he found it “flattering” to be on the list but that he had was not considering a presidential run.

“I’m not thinking about running for president,” he said. “I’m thinking about running for re-election on the ballot here in Connecticut in 2018, and that’s my singular focus. I am interested, though, in being part of an emerging group of young Democratic leaders that I think has to step forward right now.”


That either sounds like "I want to run in 2024 if the Dems lose 2020" or "I want to be the Senate leader that helps the next Dem President achieve their goals"


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 23, 2017, 08:51:09 pm
Hickenlooper tries to dial back the speculation that he’s going to run, while still saying that he never rules anything out:

http://www.denverpost.com/2017/02/23/hickenlooper-not-running-for-president/

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But Hickenlooper told The Denver Post in an interview Thursday that it’s nonsense. “I thought that couldn’t have been more clear that I wasn’t going to run,” he said.

“If you were legitimately going to run for president, you’d form a PAC. Literally everyone does,” Hickenlooper said, referring to a political action committee. “I haven’t formed a PAC. I’m not going to form a PAC.”
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“What I said to them,” Hickenlooper told The Post, “was there was a lot of other things on the table besides me (running for president). They took that to mean that one of those things was me running. I thought that couldn’t have been more clear that I wasn’t going to run.”

He added: “I (always) say the same thing: You never rule anything out.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 23, 2017, 11:15:00 pm
O'Malley gives another maybe:

http://realtynewsreport.com/2017/02/16/omalley-tells-houstons-kinder-institute-hes-open-to-another-presidential-bid-in-2020/

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When he touched on the topic of announcing another presidential run during his comments in Houston, O’Malley said: “Not just yet, but I’m keeping an open mind and open heart.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 24, 2017, 09:59:15 am
Politico has a new story on the large field of Democratic candidates who, despite what they’re saying about “just focusing on my current job” and “not even thinking about 2020” are in fact making calls to potential presidential campaign operatives and trying to do whatever they can to keep their options open:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/democrats-2020-presidential-field-235335

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As a result of the vacuum left by Clinton’s defeat, many more Democrats than usual are taking a look at running, calling media consultants, political strategists, and organizing operatives around Washington to sound out ideas for what a campaign starting in just over two years might look like. The early behind-closed-doors moves to court the relatively small group of top-level, battle-tested campaign operatives reflect the widely-held belief that the primary field is likely to be larger than any other in years.
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Accordingly, with few exceptions, the potential candidates’ public steps toward a White House bid have veered away from the standard script, even as their behind-the-scenes preparations get underway. None but O’Malley has visited Iowa or New Hampshire, and there is little chatter in those states about such potential visits. The traditional process of wooing donors hasn’t even picked up.

“The activist community is so engaged right now that there’s a lot you can do without just going to Iowa and New Hampshire,” said Smith. “Before you had to go to San Francisco to raise money, but maybe now you just have to ask, ‘What’s the top podcast?’"

Which potential candidates are actually doing this though?  The story doesn’t give us anything concrete.  It does say that among current governors and senators, these names at least are “thought to be in the mix”:

Booker
Brown
Franken
Gillibrand
Harris
Klobuchar
Merkley
Murphy
Sanders
Warren

Bullock
Cuomo
Hickenlooper
Inslee
McAuliffe

(Interesting that they include Franken, who’s given a Sherman-esque denial, but not Kaine and Warner, who’ve done the same.  But it jives with my own subjective impression that Franken is the most likely of those Sherman-esque deniers to “change his mind”.)

But I’m not sure if that list is really based on any special knowledge that they have, or if it’s just based on public reporting.  I mean, we could have crafted a similar list just based on what’s been posted about in this thread.

Oh, and they also get a quote from Mark Cuban:

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“What Trump does has no correlation to what I may or may not do. And it’s far too early to guess what impact his election and approach to governing will have on future elections,” said Cuban, who has gone out of his way to needle Trump, publicly toying with the idea of a White House run of his own — including wearing a number 46 jersey to last weekend’s NBA All-Star Celebrity game, in reference to Trump’s status as the 45th president.

But asked if it’s safe to say he’s not sealing off any potential avenues for what comes next, Cuban responded, “Correct."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 24, 2017, 10:29:22 am
Here’s a list of governors attending the NGA winter meeting in DC this weekend:

https://www.nga.org/cms/WinterMeeting2017

Though it looks like they missed Kasich, who’s at least attending for part of it.

Almost every governor in the country is attending, but Cuomo is skipping.

And it looks like Inslee has scored a meeting with Trump on Monday:

http://www.king5.com/news/politics/inslee-to-meet-with-trump-monday/413877701


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 24, 2017, 10:46:21 am
Hickenlooper offers yet another denial that isn’t really a denial.  He appears to be saying that he isn’t running “right now”, but that he might in the future.  But what’s the future?  2019?

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/john-hickenlooper-not-running-for-president-235342

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“I am very, very focused on what Colorado needs and how to work with other states to make sure that we have regional solutions,” he said at POLITICO’s annual State Solutions Conference. “I am not running for president.”
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Hickenlooper clarified he hadn’t founded a political action committee and is not planning on it.

“I’m trying to make Colorado the strongest economy in America, to have a jobs program that really works,” he said. “Now, down the road, who knows? But I am not, I am not right now — no, no, no, and I’ve always said this.”

UPDATE: Here's the video of Hickenlooper's non-denial:

https://twitter.com/POLITICOLive/status/835137897254748160


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 24, 2017, 01:51:10 pm
That Politico story mentioned two names that haven’t gotten much attention so far: McAuliffe and Merkley.  But it’s worth mentioning that Merkley was in Iowa last fall, and McAuliffe made multiple early primary state visits in 2015/2016.

Merkley stumped for Clinton in Iowa in October:

https://www.facebook.com/JeffMerkleyOregon/posts/1332092036809884

And well before that, McAuliffe was in South Carolina in April 2015 to stump for Hillary Clinton:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/mcauliffe-finds-himself-back-in-campaign-mode-for-hillary-clinton/2015/04/19/98640098-e634-11e4-81ea-0649268f729e_story.html?utm_term=.bd598ade45a0

then in New Hampshire in August 2015 to do the same:

http://www.nh1.com/news/virginia-gov-terry-mcauliffe-visits-nh-to-support-clinton/

then in Iowa in January 2016 to do the same:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/mcauliffe-to-campaign-for-hillary-clinton-in-iowa/2016/01/04/a17c3f38-b2fd-11e5-a76a-0b5145e8679a_story.html?utm_term=.8169880a829d

then in Iowa again in July of last year for the NGA summer meeting:

http://wtop.com/virginia/2016/07/mcauliffe-to-travel-to-iowa-for-conference/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Beet on February 24, 2017, 01:53:45 pm
McAuliffe will be the nominee. Having another nominee under FBI investigation would be a terrible idea, so of course that's what Chairman Perez will ensure happens.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 24, 2017, 02:55:29 pm
de Blasio is headed to Atlanta this weekend for the DNC Winter Meeting.  In the meantime though, he just spent over four hours talking to prosecutors in Manhattan, as part of the fundraising probe:

http://www.newsday.com/news/new-york/de-blasio-to-be-questioned-by-feds-on-fundraising-reports-say-1.13170930

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New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio and federal corruption prosecutors met for four-plus hours Friday in a Manhattan law office for an unusual sit-down in which the mayor answered questions related to a long-running criminal probe of his fundraising, a person familiar with the situation said.

De Blasio, who agreed to speak to prosecutors voluntarily and without immunity at the midtown law firm of his defense lawyer, Barry Berke, arrived inside a black police-driven SUV that pulled up at a loading dock just after 9 a.m. amid a swarm of reporter, and departed shortly before 2 p.m.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 25, 2017, 12:01:18 pm
Kander spoke at the DNC Winter Meeting:

https://twitter.com/JasonKander/status/835504596055375874


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 25, 2017, 01:25:16 pm
Sunday morning talk show watch:

Tomorrow morning, Hickenlooper will be on Meet the Press, Kasich will be on Face the Nation, Sanders will be on State of the Union, and McAuliffe will be on Fox News Sunday:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEWS_SHOWS?SITE=AP


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 25, 2017, 02:36:50 pm
Clinton also addressed the DNC Winter Meeting via video:

http://www.inquisitr.com/4011242/hillary-clintons-video-message-to-democrats-sparks-2020-rumors-video/

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Clinton’s message was essentially a political pep talk addressed to supporters and Democrats attending the Democratic National Committee (DNC) gathering in Atlanta, Georgia, where the party will elect new leaders.

Her message, viewed against the backdrop of recent tweets, has sparked rumors that she could be eyeing a third presidential run in 2020. But despite the speculation in some circles, the message was primarily about party unity and the need to focus on winning next year’s midterm elections.

While many, including her supporters, are skeptical of suggestions that Clinton plans to run for president again in 2020, most observers agree that her latest video message suggests that she plans to recover from the disappointment of defeat to pursue a post-2016 political career.

In the video message, Clinton, looking upbeat, highlighted recent protests and anti-Trump demonstrations, including the highly successful women’s marches, the protests at airports across the country against President Donald Trump’s Muslim ban and protests at town halls against the threat of repeal of the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on February 25, 2017, 08:15:33 pm
Clinton also addressed the DNC Winter Meeting via video:

http://www.inquisitr.com/4011242/hillary-clintons-video-message-to-democrats-sparks-2020-rumors-video/

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Clinton’s message was essentially a political pep talk addressed to supporters and Democrats attending the Democratic National Committee (DNC) gathering in Atlanta, Georgia, where the party will elect new leaders.

Her message, viewed against the backdrop of recent tweets, has sparked rumors that she could be eyeing a third presidential run in 2020. But despite the speculation in some circles, the message was primarily about party unity and the need to focus on winning next year’s midterm elections.

While many, including her supporters, are skeptical of suggestions that Clinton plans to run for president again in 2020, most observers agree that her latest video message suggests that she plans to recover from the disappointment of defeat to pursue a post-2016 political career.

In the video message, Clinton, looking upbeat, highlighted recent protests and anti-Trump demonstrations, including the highly successful women’s marches, the protests at airports across the country against President Donald Trump’s Muslim ban and protests at town halls against the threat of repeal of the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare.


Ugh, Perez as DNC chair, and Hillary thinking of running again? The party really really really really must like losing.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 26, 2017, 11:25:48 am
This story’s about two weeks old, but I missed it at the time.  It says that unnamed Dems working on Capitol Hill haven’t seen any sign that Franken is interested in a presidential run, and Franken’s office re-issued a denial on presidential ambitions earlier this month:

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/02/08/al-franken-2020-media-pundits-think-the-minnesota-senator-is-th/21709778/

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Asked by Business Insider, multiple Democrats working on Capitol Hill separately noted that while he's occasionally noted as a potential candidate, there's no clear sign that he's interested. Further, his potential candidacy could be complicated by fellow Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar, who is more widely suspected to hold 2020 ambitions.
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The Minnesota senator explicitly said he would not seek the presidency in 2020, the same year as his senate reelection.

In a statement on Tuesday, Franken's office reiterated that he would not run, saying that the senator will "spend the next several years fighting on behalf of Minnesota families."

Remember though that Franken has a book coming out in May.  If his book tour happens to have stops in Iowa and New Hampshire, then I might start doubting his denials.  :P


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 26, 2017, 11:45:23 am
I already mentioned the details on the leadership PACs by Booker, Gillibrand, Klobuchar, and Warren.  I mentioned how Gillibrand’s leadership PAC (“Off the Sidelines”) only gives to female candidates.  Well, looks like she has a second, smaller, leadership PAC that gives to male candidates:

https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cycle=2016&cmte=C00477067

Also, leadership PACs by Brown, Merkley, and Murphy:

Brown: “America Works”, contributed $266,500 to Democratic candidates this cycle
https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cycle=2016&cmte=C00331694

Merkley: “Opportunity and Renewal PAC”, contributed $149,500 to Democratic candidates this cycle
https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cycle=2016&cmte=C00460972

Murphy: “MurphPAC”, contributed $122,000 to Democratic candidates this cycle
https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cycle=2016&cmte=C00459925

In early state action, all three of them donated to Maggie Hassan in NH.  Brown and Merkley both donated to Patty Judge in Iowa, while Murphy didn’t.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 26, 2017, 11:52:47 am
Terry McAuliffe says he has “no intentions” of running for prez:

http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2017/02/26/corey-lewandowski-on-perez-as-dnc-chair-trump-agenda-govs-mcauliffe-and-walker/

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WALLACE:  I’ve got 30 seconds left and given what you were just saying, Governor McAuliffe, you're only allowed to serve one term in Virginia.  That term ends at the end of this year.  You say that the only thing you’d be interested in -- I love the look you are giving me -- is an executive job.  What do you think about running against Donald Trump in 2020?  

MCAULIFFE:  I have 11 months lefts as a governor of the great commonwealth of Virginia.  We have had tremendous success diversifying and growing our economy.  I am going to finish up.  I have no intentions of running against Donald Trump.  I want to finish strong.

I’m telling you, Chris, Virginia’s first governor, Patrick Henry, second governor is Governor Thomas Jefferson, and now, Terry McAuliffe.  What a great job I have.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Hindsight is 2020 on February 26, 2017, 06:01:22 pm
Anyone else noticed that Corey Booker has totally dissapeared?
I like Cory but please stay that way the Bernie wing hates him so much he is an almost guarrented Trump reelection


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on February 26, 2017, 07:46:44 pm
Anyone else noticed that Corey Booker has totally dissapeared?
I like Cory but please stay that way the Bernie wing hates him so much he is an almost guarrented Trump reelection

Well, hopefully that pawn of Wall Street and big pharma who loves school privatization doesn't run, but he might be just trying to get the target off his back. If the Democrats wanted progressives to vote for them again, they could try standing for something like single payer rather than spending all their time trying to start a new cold war.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 27, 2017, 12:40:00 pm
At the end of this video clip, McAuliffe makes a toast to Trump, in the hopes that they can work together:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/national/trump-mcauliffe-toast-each-other-at-governors-dinner/2017/02/27/7f86345e-fc91-11e6-9b78-824ccab94435_video.html

If McAuliffe does make a run for president, I'm guessing that we'll be seeing that video again.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 27, 2017, 11:05:45 pm
So Cuomo did end up going to the NGA after all, but he didn’t stick around long enough to meet with Trump.  He was only there on Friday and then left:

http://nypost.com/2017/02/27/cuomo-blows-off-trumps-meeting-with-governors/

In any case, Politico has a new story out about Cuomo’s 2020 ambitions:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/andrew-cuomo-new-york-2020-235403

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Cuomo, of course, insists that he’s not thinking about a presidential run in four years, even as he takes more steps to join the national conversation — in the days before the Washington trip, he urged congressional Democrats to "stand up" and "fight" to protect Obamacare. But New York operatives, state lawmakers and long-time associates see the 59-year-old governor as carefully laying down markers for his future, whatever it may hold, after Hillary Clinton’s unexpected defeat.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 28, 2017, 10:05:13 am
McAuliffe upping the ante on presidential speculation about himself by saying that he “might” want to be president:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/26/us/virginia-governor-trump-northam-perriello.html?_r=0

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Asked if he wanted to be president, Mr. McAuliffe said, “I don’t know, I might.”

That's about as close to "maybe" as we've gotten from anyone in the field recently except for O'Malley.  The rest of them don't even say maybe.  They just say something like "I'm focused on my current job, and it's too early to think about that."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Free Bird on February 28, 2017, 10:59:38 pm
The problem for Terry. What will he do for a year and a half to stay relevant?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 28, 2017, 11:03:52 pm
The problem for Terry. What will he do for a year and a half to stay relevant?

I'm not sure why that's important.  People who are out of office for a few years are perfectly capable of being major presidential candidates.  Heck, the 2016 Democratic nominee was also unemployed, and the 2012 GOP primaries were dominated by people who'd been out of office for ages.  Gingrich had even been out of office for 14 years.

McAuliffe has a lot of problems, but that one's at the bottom of the list.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Pandaguineapig on March 01, 2017, 12:34:30 am
Given the superdelegates system and the network of Clinton fundraising and political operations, McAuliffe could get much more traction than many would think. Not to mention he would have the beltway media pushing for him like there is no tomorrow


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: NeederNodder on March 01, 2017, 06:56:01 am
Former Sanders Surrogate and NAACP President Ben Jealous is considering running for Governor of Maryland

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-jealous-governor-20170228-story.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 01, 2017, 09:29:03 am
Conservative author Ed Klein says “his sources” tell him that Clinton is gearing up for another presidential run:

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Ed-Klein-presidential-campaign-2020/2017/02/28/id/776119/

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Best-selling conservative author Ed Klein told Newsmax TV he is "absolutely sure" Hillary Clinton is running for president again in 2020.

"My sources tell me that she is energized, ready to go," Klein told Tuesday's "The Steve Malzberg Show." "She's going to write a book for Simon & Schuster. She's going to do paid speeches — and then she's going to go on another listening tour. She's planning another listening tour.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on March 01, 2017, 09:34:21 am
Ed Klein is a well known idiot and liar.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 01, 2017, 02:01:27 pm
Disney CEO Bob Iger reportedly thinking about running:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/rambling-reporter/will-disneys-bob-iger-run-president-2020-hollywood-friends-are-nudging-981626

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Sources say Iger has told friends he is considering their nudges that he make a run for president in 2020 as a Democrat. There’s a hitch. Any political future would hinge on Iger, 66, finding a Disney successor, of course. (Complicating matters, in February, he told financial analysts he would be "open" to remaining as CEO after his contract ends in June 2018.)

Iger told THR in June that "a lot of people — a lot — have urged me to seek political office" but denied he would consider a run for California governor or senator, positions that historically have served as stepping stones to the White House. However, Iger didn’t specifically address the prospect of a White House run at the time.

Sources add that he has since consulted with former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg about making the leap from the board room to high office (Bloomberg served as mayor of the nation’s largest city from 2002-12 despite no prior public service).

Iger has plenty of friends in high places within the Democratic party. Former Vice President Al Gore told THR in January that he counts fellow Apple board member Iger among his closest Hollywood friends. A number of politically plugged-in industryites say they would welcome an Iger-led Democratic ticket. Others point out that President Trump, though wildly unpopular in Hollywood, has paved the way for a businessman who has never held public office to become the leader of the free world.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: henster on March 01, 2017, 02:07:40 pm
Wouldn't surprise me if Howard Schultz ran.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 01, 2017, 03:14:37 pm
Israel has become an honorary early primary state in terms of future US presidential candidates making visits there shortly before launching their candidacy.  E.g., from 2013 to 2015, 10 of the eventual 17 GOP candidates visited Israel, as did Martin O’Malley.  And Cory Booker visited there last summer.

Now it’s Cuomo’s turn:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/01/nyregion/andrew-cuomo-israel-trip.html?_r=0

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Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo, already provoking talk of presidential ambitions in 2020, announced he would make a quick weekend trip to Israel, at a moment when the handling of Jewish issues is percolating through the national political debate.

The announcement, made on Wednesday during a speech to Orthodox Jewish students gathered in Albany, came on the heels of several events in which Mr. Cuomo has sought to present himself as a proactive fighter of anti-Semitism.
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Word of the Israel trip leaked just hours later. In his remarks to students, the governor said the short trip — he will leave on Saturday and return on Sunday — would be focused on economic development.

But its timing also seems ripe politically. Mr. Cuomo, a Democrat, has been rumored to have higher political goals, and he has increasingly spoken out on national issues like middle-class economic relief. Last week, he traveled to Washington to rub elbows with fellow Democrats at the National Governors Association winter meeting.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 01, 2017, 05:23:00 pm
Update on John Kerry, who two weeks ago said that he  wasn’t “ruling anything in or out" (http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=233345.msg5529488#msg5529488):

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2017/03/01/john-kerry-lands-another-post-government-gig-visiting-distinguished-statesman-think-tank/JeAVT7OVhmb5QlfXQmrWBP/story.html

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John Kerry clearly intends to stay busy in his post-government life, announcing Wednesday a new affiliation with the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

The former Secretary of State and Massachusetts senator will serve as the think tank’s first-ever “visiting distinguished statesman,” a role in which he will work on global environmental problems as well as conflict resolution, according to Carnegie.
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In the waning days of the Obama administration, Kerry indicated in interviews with the Globe that he hoped to continue to play a role in world affairs even after he left his formal position as the nation’s top diplomat. A source close to Kerry said the Massachusetts Democrat considers former Senator George Mitchell, who took a lead role in the peace negotiations in Northern Ireland, as one such model of “quiet, determined” diplomatic work of former government officials. Former President George W. Bush, who defeated Kerry in the 2004 presidential election, is another for the work he continued in Afghanistan and Africa after he left the White House.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Dmitri Covasku on March 01, 2017, 08:02:10 pm
Well, there are multiple options out there but, the party first needs to get itself in order before it can take on Trump.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Liberalrocks on March 01, 2017, 10:46:23 pm
Conservative author Ed Klein says “his sources” tell him that Clinton is gearing up for another presidential run:

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Ed-Klein-presidential-campaign-2020/2017/02/28/id/776119/

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Best-selling conservative author Ed Klein told Newsmax TV he is "absolutely sure" Hillary Clinton is running for president again in 2020.

"My sources tell me that she is energized, ready to go," Klein told Tuesday's "The Steve Malzberg Show." "She's going to write a book for Simon & Schuster. She's going to do paid speeches — and then she's going to go on another listening tour. She's planning another listening tour.
I hope it's true. It's Ed Klein, he  is almost as bad as Dick Morris or Sean Hannity...



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 02, 2017, 09:49:43 am
Julian Castro says that a 2020 presidential run is on the table:

http://www.expressnews.com/news/news_columnists/brian_chasnoff/article/Castro-has-his-voice-back-10970274.php

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“I’m using my voice on important issues — health care, education, immigration, pointing out the shortcomings of this administration,” Castro told me. “I’m going to stay active out there. I’m just not running for anything right now.”

At least, Castro isn’t running for anything in 2018. That leaves open the possibility of running for president in 2020.

“I’m not going to take that off the table,” he said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Hindsight is 2020 on March 02, 2017, 10:39:38 am
Julian Castro says that a 2020 presidential run is on the table:

http://www.expressnews.com/news/news_columnists/brian_chasnoff/article/Castro-has-his-voice-back-10970274.php

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“I’m using my voice on important issues — health care, education, immigration, pointing out the shortcomings of this administration,” Castro told me. “I’m going to stay active out there. I’m just not running for anything right now.”

At least, Castro isn’t running for anything in 2018. That leaves open the possibility of running for president in 2020.

“I’m not going to take that off the table,” he said.

Not surprising


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on March 02, 2017, 11:33:09 am
The whole Jeff Sessions situation going on is a direct result of a line of questioning from Al Franken. The White House statement also directly targets Al Franken.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on March 02, 2017, 03:59:26 pm
Gabriel Debenedetti‏ @gdebenedetti  1h1 hour ago
Who's heading back to Iowa for the third time since November 8 this weekend? Martin O'Malley.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 02, 2017, 04:03:53 pm
Gabriel Debenedetti‏ @gdebenedetti  1h1 hour ago
Who's heading back to Iowa for the third time since November 8 this weekend? Martin O'Malley.

Yeah, he just posted this on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/MartinOMalley/status/837388380124119048

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Iowa friends: I'll be in Des Moines & Ames this Saturday to support local Dems and progressive orgs. RSVP: http://bit.ly/2mj6SLY


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: publicunofficial on March 02, 2017, 11:37:12 pm
For anyone who is interested, Street Fight (the documentary about Cory Booker's first race for Newark mayor) is on Netflix right now.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Holmes on March 03, 2017, 12:47:43 am
Brown's giving a speech tomorrow in Columbus, attacking Trump and outlining some legislative proposals.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/johnstanton/senate-democrat-to-outline-populist-economic-agenda-to-count?utm_term=.kog55lJz9v&bftw=pol#.mv5llwdxQn


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 03, 2017, 09:29:56 am
Brown's giving a speech tomorrow in Columbus, attacking Trump and outlining some legislative proposals.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/johnstanton/senate-democrat-to-outline-populist-economic-agenda-to-count?utm_term=.kog55lJz9v&bftw=pol#.mv5llwdxQn

Interesting.  According to Brown's Twitter feed, his speech will air on Facebook Live at around ~10:30am or so:

https://www.facebook.com/SenatorSherrodBrown/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Holmes on March 03, 2017, 10:12:11 am
Brown's giving a speech tomorrow in Columbus, attacking Trump and outlining some legislative proposals.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/johnstanton/senate-democrat-to-outline-populist-economic-agenda-to-count?utm_term=.kog55lJz9v&bftw=pol#.mv5llwdxQn

Interesting.  According to Brown's Twitter feed, his speech will air on Facebook Live at around ~10:30am or so:

https://www.facebook.com/SenatorSherrodBrown/


It's really the first sign from Brown that he's interested, right? I think his decision will ultimately rest on what happens in Ohio in 2018.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 03, 2017, 10:18:51 am
Brown's giving a speech tomorrow in Columbus, attacking Trump and outlining some legislative proposals.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/johnstanton/senate-democrat-to-outline-populist-economic-agenda-to-count?utm_term=.kog55lJz9v&bftw=pol#.mv5llwdxQn

Interesting.  According to Brown's Twitter feed, his speech will air on Facebook Live at around ~10:30am or so:

https://www.facebook.com/SenatorSherrodBrown/


It's really the first sign from Brown that he's interested, right?

As far as I can tell, yes.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Gass3268 on March 03, 2017, 10:19:44 am
Brown's giving a speech tomorrow in Columbus, attacking Trump and outlining some legislative proposals.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/johnstanton/senate-democrat-to-outline-populist-economic-agenda-to-count?utm_term=.kog55lJz9v&bftw=pol#.mv5llwdxQn

Interesting.  According to Brown's Twitter feed, his speech will air on Facebook Live at around ~10:30am or so:

https://www.facebook.com/SenatorSherrodBrown/


It's really the first sign from Brown that he's interested, right?

As far as I can tell, yes.


Couldn't this just be part of his reelection to the Senate?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 03, 2017, 10:33:41 am
Brown's giving a speech tomorrow in Columbus, attacking Trump and outlining some legislative proposals.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/johnstanton/senate-democrat-to-outline-populist-economic-agenda-to-count?utm_term=.kog55lJz9v&bftw=pol#.mv5llwdxQn

Interesting.  According to Brown's Twitter feed, his speech will air on Facebook Live at around ~10:30am or so:

https://www.facebook.com/SenatorSherrodBrown/


It's really the first sign from Brown that he's interested, right?

As far as I can tell, yes.


Couldn't this just be part of his reelection to the Senate?

Could be, sure.  I guess the way the article is phrased "will call on Democrats...[etc., etc.]" and the focus on Trump make it sound like he's aiming for a national audience, but I don't know.  I guess it's just a question of, if you're a Democratic Senator in a swing or lean R state who's running for reelection, and with no presidential ambitions, how much do you focus on the big picture, trying to steer the direction of Democrats nationwide, vs. how much do you focus on parochial issues?  I guess if Brown is doing more of the former, then that's *something*.  But yeah, it's not like he's calling up activists in Iowa or anything like that.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Shameless Bernie Hack on March 03, 2017, 01:39:38 pm
Brown's giving a speech tomorrow in Columbus, attacking Trump and outlining some legislative proposals.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/johnstanton/senate-democrat-to-outline-populist-economic-agenda-to-count?utm_term=.kog55lJz9v&bftw=pol#.mv5llwdxQn

Interesting.  According to Brown's Twitter feed, his speech will air on Facebook Live at around ~10:30am or so:

https://www.facebook.com/SenatorSherrodBrown/


It's really the first sign from Brown that he's interested, right?

As far as I can tell, yes.


Couldn't this just be part of his reelection to the Senate?

Could be, sure.  I guess the way the article is phrased "will call on Democrats...[etc., etc.]" and the focus on Trump make it sound like he's aiming for a national audience, but I don't know.  I guess it's just a question of, if you're a Democratic Senator in a swing or lean R state who's running for reelection, and with no presidential ambitions, how much do you focus on the big picture, trying to steer the direction of Democrats nationwide, vs. how much do you focus on parochial issues?  I guess if Brown is doing more of the former, then that's *something*.  But yeah, it's not like he's calling up activists in Iowa or anything like that.


Yeah, and given that developing a national profile (cf: Warren, Paul, Cruz last couple of Congresses) is a very good way to grassroots fundraise, this could just be Brown adjusting to the way the Senate is beginning to work nowadays.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 03, 2017, 02:06:29 pm
Here's the video of Brown's speech:

https://www.facebook.com/SenatorSherrodBrown/videos/vb.261478257610775/261839310908003/?type=2&theater&notif_t=live_video&notif_id=1488554898347351

He is advancing a package of policy proposals to "make hard work pay off" for the working class.  But based on watching the first half or so of it, his tone is policy-oriented and not partisan.  He only mentions Trump once in the first half of the speech, and it's to say that he agrees with Trump on trade.  So I don't see anything to indicate that this is aimed at laying the groundwork for a presidential run, as opposed to reelection for his Senate seat.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on March 03, 2017, 06:41:16 pm
Senator Richard Blumenthal accidentally refers to Senator Chris Murphy as "President Murphy".

http://www.courant.com/politics/capitol-watch/hc-blumenthal-president-chris-murphy-story.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Arch on March 03, 2017, 06:42:36 pm
Senator Richard Blumenthal accidentally refers to Senator Chris Murphy as "President Murphy".

http://www.courant.com/politics/capitol-watch/hc-blumenthal-president-chris-murphy-story.html

Highly indicative that there have been conversations in the background, and there was semantic interference on the spot. I can certainly get behind a Murphy run.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Ronnie on March 03, 2017, 10:33:40 pm
Trump posted a video today that looks an awful lot like a 2020 campaign ad:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/837787963027144706?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Holmes on March 03, 2017, 11:38:06 pm
The Brown speech can be anything it needs to be. Right now it can be a re-election speech but a few years from now it can be pointed at to back up his claim that he's been fighting for the working class and talking about these issues throughout his career.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Representative MAINEiac4434 on March 04, 2017, 01:14:32 pm
Senator Richard Blumenthal accidentally refers to Senator Chris Murphy as "President Murphy".

http://www.courant.com/politics/capitol-watch/hc-blumenthal-president-chris-murphy-story.html

Highly indicative that there have been conversations in the background, and there was semantic interference on the spot. I can certainly get behind a Murphy run.
I would too, but I don't think the country at large would due to his stance on gun control


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 04, 2017, 01:37:08 pm
Senator Richard Blumenthal accidentally refers to Senator Chris Murphy as "President Murphy".

http://www.courant.com/politics/capitol-watch/hc-blumenthal-president-chris-murphy-story.html

Highly indicative that there have been conversations in the background, and there was semantic interference on the spot. I can certainly get behind a Murphy run.

I don't know.  As the story says, Blumenthal had just been talking about Trump, so having a mental mixup and saying "president" might not mean anything larger.

That said, Murphy has definitely shot up recently in my own rankings of who is most likely to run on the Dem. side.  He might even be in the top 10.  The fact that he both campaigned for Clinton in early '16 for the NH primary, and then went back there in the fall to campaign for both Clinton and Hassan was at least...something.  He seemed to throw cold water on that with his December statement that he "wouldn't consider" running for prez, but his supposed denials since them have been more vague, so he's back up on the list, IMHO.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: henster on March 04, 2017, 07:33:01 pm
Senator Richard Blumenthal accidentally refers to Senator Chris Murphy as "President Murphy".

http://www.courant.com/politics/capitol-watch/hc-blumenthal-president-chris-murphy-story.html

Highly indicative that there have been conversations in the background, and there was semantic interference on the spot. I can certainly get behind a Murphy run.

I don't know.  As the story says, Blumenthal had just been talking about Trump, so having a mental mixup and saying "president" might not mean anything larger.

That said, Murphy has definitely shot up recently in my own rankings of who is most likely to run on the Dem. side.  He might even be in the top 10.  The fact that he both campaigned for Clinton in early '16 for the NH primary, and then went back there in the fall to campaign for both Clinton and Hassan was at least...something.  He seemed to throw cold water on that with his December statement that he "wouldn't consider" running for prez, but his supposed denials since them have been more vague, so he's back up on the list, IMHO.


I don't think Ds need a champion of gun control to win back the Midwest right now, nobody talks about how far left Hillary went on guns and how that may contributed to the further loss in WWC voters. Gun control was never a central theme in either of Obama's two runs.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 04, 2017, 10:37:16 pm
While participating in a panel at the Sloan Sports Analytics Conference at MIT, Nate Silver asked Mark Cuban a few questions, including whether he is going to run for president:

https://twitter.com/scott_stinson/status/838064832809156608
https://twitter.com/scott_stinson/status/838065134954229765
https://twitter.com/scott_stinson/status/838065368295960576
https://twitter.com/scott_stinson/status/838065791564140546

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Nate Silver asks Mark Cuban if he is ready to announce a Presidential bid: 'I'll get back to you on that.'

Cuban does say that it looks like Trump might lessen the chances for another outsider to win.

Cuban says he was an early supporter of Trump: 'Then I got to know him.'

Silver: what made you change your mind (on Trump)?
Cuban: He hasn't read a book in 30 years.

Meanwhile, in the Sunday morning talk show watch, Al Franken will be on ABC’s “This Week” tomorrow morning:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEWS_SHOWS?SITE=AP

Also, Cuomo will meet with Netanyahu during his Israel trip on Sunday:

http://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2017/03/cuomo-will-meet-netanyahu-during-israel-trip-110077


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Representative MAINEiac4434 on March 05, 2017, 12:16:11 am
Senator Richard Blumenthal accidentally refers to Senator Chris Murphy as "President Murphy".

http://www.courant.com/politics/capitol-watch/hc-blumenthal-president-chris-murphy-story.html

Highly indicative that there have been conversations in the background, and there was semantic interference on the spot. I can certainly get behind a Murphy run.

I don't know.  As the story says, Blumenthal had just been talking about Trump, so having a mental mixup and saying "president" might not mean anything larger.

That said, Murphy has definitely shot up recently in my own rankings of who is most likely to run on the Dem. side.  He might even be in the top 10.  The fact that he both campaigned for Clinton in early '16 for the NH primary, and then went back there in the fall to campaign for both Clinton and Hassan was at least...something.  He seemed to throw cold water on that with his December statement that he "wouldn't consider" running for prez, but his supposed denials since them have been more vague, so he's back up on the list, IMHO.


I don't think Ds need a champion of gun control to win back the Midwest right now, nobody talks about how far left Hillary went on guns and how that may contributed to the further loss in WWC voters. Gun control was never a central theme in either of Obama's two runs.
Exactly. Even though I love Murphy I don't think he could win Ohio or Florida or North Carolina, and may lose PA, WI and MI again.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on March 05, 2017, 10:12:58 am
People always talk about Murphy here like he's a one issue Senator (gun control), when he's been focusing on a large variety of issues including but not limited to healthcare, Russia, immigration, and education. He's most widely known for his stances on gun control because Sandy Hook happened just after he was elected to the Senate.

Also, having worked for Blumenthal's office I have the sense that this is was just a casual slip up on Blumenthal's part. I wouldn't read anything into it.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 05, 2017, 10:48:20 am
Cuomo at the Holocaust Memorial in Jerusalem today shaking hands with Israeli president Reuven Rivlin:

(http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/uploads/2017/03/Israel-Cuomo_Horo1-e1488723477498-635x357.jpg)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: henster on March 05, 2017, 06:24:02 pm
People always talk about Murphy here like he's a one issue Senator (gun control), when he's been focusing on a large variety of issues including but not limited to healthcare, Russia, immigration, and education. He's most widely known for his stances on gun control because Sandy Hook happened just after he was elected to the Senate.

Also, having worked for Blumenthal's office I have the sense that this is was just a casual slip up on Blumenthal's part. I wouldn't read anything into it.

He got on people's radar because of gun control, otherwise he would just be another backbencher. Just like Wendy Davis there were a lot of things other than abortion but people focused on that because of the filibuster.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Representative MAINEiac4434 on March 06, 2017, 02:29:19 pm
Cuomo at the Holocaust Memorial in Jerusalem today shaking hands with Israeli president Reuven Rivlin:

(http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/uploads/2017/03/Israel-Cuomo_Horo1-e1488723477498-635x357.jpg)

I mean everyone knows Cuomo is gonna run, right?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 06, 2017, 11:19:44 pm
While he's a longshot to run for president again in 2020, Lindsey Graham is on my watch list simply because he was #NeverTrump last year, he's run for president before, unlike McCain he's not going to be too old, and he's continued to air some criticisms of Trump since the election.  Anyway, I thought it was notable that today Graham came out in support of Trump's revised travel order.  Also, he's meeting with Trump for lunch tomorrow:

http://www.postandcourier.com/news/it-s-a-date-lindsey-graham-to-lunch-with-president/article_479a4c52-02c6-11e7-95f9-cbd4f886db55.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Representative MAINEiac4434 on March 07, 2017, 11:08:11 am
Cuomo at the Holocaust Memorial in Jerusalem today shaking hands with Israeli president Reuven Rivlin:

(http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/uploads/2017/03/Israel-Cuomo_Horo1-e1488723477498-635x357.jpg)

I mean everyone knows Cuomo is gonna run, right?

Cuomo's running for a cabinet position
I don't think he's talented enough for a prominent cabinet position too be honest.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 07, 2017, 02:26:10 pm
While participating in a panel at the Sloan Sports Analytics Conference at MIT, Nate Silver asked Mark Cuban a few questions, including whether he is going to run for president:

https://twitter.com/scott_stinson/status/838064832809156608
https://twitter.com/scott_stinson/status/838065134954229765
https://twitter.com/scott_stinson/status/838065368295960576
https://twitter.com/scott_stinson/status/838065791564140546

Here’s the transcript of this conversation:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/nate-silver-and-mark-cuban-talk-a-lot-of-politics-and-a-little-basketball/

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Nate: Are you prepared here at the Sloan Sports Analytics Conference to announce your candidacy for president of the United States?

Mark: [laughter] I’ll get back to you on that.

Nate: OK. But is it something you’ve thought about seriously?

Mark: Have I thought about it? Yes. Seriously is relative. Circumstantially, yes, but I’m nowhere near ready to decide anything. You know, there’s still a few years to see how things go and what direction they go, so … let’s just say, it’s not just a lifelong dream of mine to be president of the United States.
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Nate: Texas becoming more purple … Ted Cruz is up in two years for Senate.

Mark: No. No.

Nate: [laughter]

Mark: That’d be the worst. No. No governor, senator, congressman — hell no. If I’m going to go down, I’m going to go down in flames going for the big job, right?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 08, 2017, 06:10:48 am
Big news on the Dem. tea leaves front: We have our first cattle call of the 2020 primary season, and it's a big one.  The Center for American Progress is putting on a Democratic version of CPAC, in the form of its "Ideas Conference".  It'll be held on May 16th, and it's attracting many of the likely 2020 Dems to attend:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/democratic-party-realignment-cpac-235806

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Instead of CPAC, it’ll be the Ideas Conference. Instead of at the National Harbor, it’ll be in the main room at the St. Regis Hotel, a few blocks from the White House. Instead of featuring President Donald Trump, it’ll be the first real cattle call of the Democrats nosing around 2020 presidential runs.
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Speakers have been encouraged to come with substantive proposals on the economy, climate change, national security, civil rights, reproductive rights and immigration rather than just political attacks on Trump. Sprinkled through the day will be panel discussions and conversations that will bring in activists and leaders of new organizations.

The confirmed speakers so far:

Booker
Bullock
Garcetti
Gillibrand
Harris
Murphy
Warren

But more are expected to join the list.  In any case, all of those folks now get bumped up a couple of points on my "likelihood to run" meter.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Spenstar on March 08, 2017, 06:16:09 am
Somebody better drag Brown there


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Hindsight is 2020 on March 08, 2017, 09:25:02 am
Big news on the Dem. tea leaves front: We have our first cattle call of the 2020 primary season, and it's a big one.  The Center for American Progress is putting on a Democratic version of CPAC, in the form of its "Ideas Conference".  It'll be held on May 16th, and it's attracting many of the likely 2020 Dems to attend:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/democratic-party-realignment-cpac-235806

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Instead of CPAC, it’ll be the Ideas Conference. Instead of at the National Harbor, it’ll be in the main room at the St. Regis Hotel, a few blocks from the White House. Instead of featuring President Donald Trump, it’ll be the first real cattle call of the Democrats nosing around 2020 presidential runs.
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Speakers have been encouraged to come with substantive proposals on the economy, climate change, national security, civil rights, reproductive rights and immigration rather than just political attacks on Trump. Sprinkled through the day will be panel discussions and conversations that will bring in activists and leaders of new organizations.

The confirmed speakers so far:

Booker
Bullock
Garcetti
Gillibrand
Harris
Murphy
Warren

But more are expected to join the list.  In any case, all of those folks now get bumped up a couple of points on my "likelihood to run" meter.

You know this is the second DNC retreat that Bullock is going too. Seems like he might be building in-party ties for a presidential run


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 08, 2017, 09:31:33 am
Big news on the Dem. tea leaves front: We have our first cattle call of the 2020 primary season, and it's a big one.  The Center for American Progress is putting on a Democratic version of CPAC, in the form of its "Ideas Conference".  It'll be held on May 16th, and it's attracting many of the likely 2020 Dems to attend:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/democratic-party-realignment-cpac-235806

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Instead of CPAC, it’ll be the Ideas Conference. Instead of at the National Harbor, it’ll be in the main room at the St. Regis Hotel, a few blocks from the White House. Instead of featuring President Donald Trump, it’ll be the first real cattle call of the Democrats nosing around 2020 presidential runs.
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Speakers have been encouraged to come with substantive proposals on the economy, climate change, national security, civil rights, reproductive rights and immigration rather than just political attacks on Trump. Sprinkled through the day will be panel discussions and conversations that will bring in activists and leaders of new organizations.

The confirmed speakers so far:

Booker
Bullock
Garcetti
Gillibrand
Harris
Murphy
Warren

But more are expected to join the list.  In any case, all of those folks now get bumped up a couple of points on my "likelihood to run" meter.

You know this is the second DNC retreat that Bullock is going too. Seems like he might be building in-party ties for a presidential run

I take your point, though just to clarify, neither this nor the Florida event he went to are affiliated with the DNC.  The Florida one was a Democratic donor event, and this one is put on by the Center for American Progress, which is a progressive think thank / advocacy organization.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 08, 2017, 09:37:39 am
Btw, speaking of that David Brock donor event in Florida, one of the other attendees besides Bullock was Jeff Merkley:

http://missoulanews.bigskypress.com/IndyBlog/archives/2017/01/20/gov-steve-bullock-slated-to-speak-at-david-brock-led-democratic-conference-in-florida-on-saturday

which is worth a mention now, since he was included in Politico's long list (http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=233345.msg5540654#msg5540654) of Senate Dems who might be thinking about a presidential run.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: NOVA Green on March 08, 2017, 09:31:47 pm
Btw, speaking of that David Brock donor event in Florida, one of the other attendees besides Bullock was Jeff Merkley:

http://missoulanews.bigskypress.com/IndyBlog/archives/2017/01/20/gov-steve-bullock-slated-to-speak-at-david-brock-led-democratic-conference-in-florida-on-saturday

which is worth a mention now, since he was included in Politico's long list (http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=233345.msg5540654#msg5540654) of Senate Dems who might be thinking about a presidential run.


Awesome--- Merkley's pretty cool, and glad he is getting coverage in your thread along with other "long-shot" Dem 2020 candidates.

Hopefully Merkley will be in attendance in the "Ideas Conference" as well this coming May...


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 09, 2017, 08:36:24 am
New Columbus Dispatch story on Brown, which mentions 2020:

http://www.dispatch.com/news/20170309/for-democrats-sherrod-brown-is-key-voice-in-trump-era

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Should Brown win re-election, his name will inevitably emerge as a potential presidential candidate for 2020. Last year Clinton interviewed him for her running mate before tapping Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va. Brown acknowledged he would have accepted the role had she offered it.

Yet he has displayed no interest in running for president, with its demands for spending months in Iowa and New Hampshire.

He flatly said if he "were running for president, I would have made that speech I made last week in Des Moines instead of Columbus."

Or as former adviser Meghan Dubyak joked, "He would rather be at the Gallipolis Marriott than the Des Moines


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 09, 2017, 12:40:57 pm
Martin O'Malley will be in DC tomorrow, participating in the Native Nations March:

https://twitter.com/MartinOMalley/status/839883230555725824


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 09, 2017, 03:40:04 pm
NYT  (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/09/business/bloomberg-iger-business-executives-president.html?mtrref=t.co&gwh=18064565C46CF9D39239C937EC997D65&gwt=pay&_r=0)on Dem CEOs who might consider: Schulz, Iger, Benioff, Sandberg, Oprah. None really seem interested and I doubt any of them run.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 09, 2017, 03:48:49 pm
NYT  (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/09/business/bloomberg-iger-business-executives-president.html?mtrref=t.co&gwh=18064565C46CF9D39239C937EC997D65&gwt=pay&_r=0)on Dem CEOs who might consider: Schulz, Iger, Benioff, Sandberg, Oprah. None really seem interested and I doubt any of them run.

The new details from that story:

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I’ve spoken this week to multiple people who have at least discussed the possibility of running for office with Mr. Schultz and Mr. Iger. (All declined to be named discussing what were private conversations.)

Mr. Schultz, 63, with a fortune estimated by Forbes at $3 billion, came close to making a bid last year, but backed out after concluding it would be very difficult to defeat Mrs. Clinton, who seemed to have the Democratic nomination all but locked up and at the time seemed likely to win the presidency.
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“Howard Schultz is definitely being pursued,” Mr. Gergen said. “He has a powerful social conscience. He comes from a very different place than the kind of chief executive with a big ego who wants the trappings of presidential power.”
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People who have discussed a possible presidential run with Mr. Iger told me that his discussion with Mr. Bloomberg, some years ago, focused more on a possible run for mayor of New York City, where Mr. Iger has an apartment. New York has long welcomed nonresident candidates like Mrs. Clinton, so Mr. Iger’s California residency isn’t seen as an obstacle.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Fubart Solman on March 10, 2017, 01:18:27 am
A some friends of mine went to see Jill Stein in Davis, CA. The one that stayed the whole time reported that she said the following:

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"if there's need for [a green on the national stage] I will run for president in 2020."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 10, 2017, 07:47:35 am
Garcetti is asked about his participation in the Ideas Conference, and whether that means he has national ambitions:

http://mynewsla.com/government/2017/03/09/mayor-garcetti-sounds-more-like-he-wants-to-be-governor-garcetti-or-even-senator-garcetti/

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Garcetti, along with a host of nationally elected Democratic bigwigs, has been invited to speak at the Washington, D.C. Center for American Progress’ Ideas Conference in May.

“There was a frustration after the November campaign where everybody said, `What do you think the Democratic agenda should be?’ and quite frankly, I care less, quote unquote, about the Democratic agenda than the American agenda,” Garcetti said when asked what his message at the conference might be.

A “who’s who” of possible Democratic 2020 presidential candidates will also be speaking at the conference, including Senators Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, Cory Booker of New Jersey and Kamala Harris of California.
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“You can describe it however you want. I accepted the invitation because I work with the Center for American Progress very sensibly on the environment, on immigration and on economic development and jobs programs, and I’m a huge fan of them. And I do think that it is time for us to be generating ideas for the next 20 years for this country,” Garcetti said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 10, 2017, 08:14:24 pm
Booker’s at SXSW, where he gave a “maybe” type response to the 2020 question today:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/is-sen.-cory-booker-changing-his-tune-on-a-2020-presidential-run/article/2617078

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"I always say I'm running from the president, not to the president right now," Booker said. "I don't know what the future holds, but at this time in my life, I want to be a fierce truth teller. Let's not focus on 2020; let's work on the injustices that exist now."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: History505 on March 10, 2017, 10:21:28 pm
Booker’s at SXSW, where he gave a “maybe” type response to the 2020 question today:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/is-sen.-cory-booker-changing-his-tune-on-a-2020-presidential-run/article/2617078

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"I always say I'm running from the president, not to the president right now," Booker said. "I don't know what the future holds, but at this time in my life, I want to be a fierce truth teller. Let's not focus on 2020; let's work on the injustices that exist now."

The obvious giveaway is the "right now".


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 10, 2017, 10:22:32 pm
Martin O'Malley at the Native Nations March....since he's called Trump racist and fascist in recent months, he's now decided to deploy the n-word....."neanderthal":

http://baltimorepostexaminer.com/martin-omalley-demands-justice-native-americans-blasts-neanderthal-trump/2017/03/10#sthash.Krhkb7mi.dpbs

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He said he stood in “solidarity” with the cause of justice for Native Americans. O’Malley while pointing to the White House, added that President Donald Trump, “has a backward-looking, neanderthal vision of our relationship to the earth.”

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6kj54cWkAEXjcO.jpg)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 11, 2017, 12:36:25 pm
Kasich's posse is having a reunion:

http://www.dispatch.com/news/20170310/daily-briefing-kasich-and-friends-gathering-to-reminisce-on-presidential-run

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Ohio's governor will gather with the aides and volunteers for his unsuccessful presidential campaign for a "Team Kasich Appreciation Party" on Wednesday.

The day marks the one-year anniversary of Kasich's only win in the Republican primaries, a 47-percent to 36-percent win over now-President Donald Trump in his home state of Ohio.

The evening "thank you" event at Strongwater Food and Spirits in Franklinton is sponsored by the remnants of his presidential campaign committee, Kasich for America.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 11, 2017, 02:14:23 pm
Buzzfeed has a new story on O’Malley’s latest political moves:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/martin-omalley-on-2016?utm_term=.upbaEP4Xj#.lx1DKkdjZ

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It was around this time four years ago that O’Malley, the former governor of Maryland, began erecting the “framework” for his presidential bid. And now, like then, he is filling his calendar with party work, helping candidates in special elections (two in Iowa, one in Delaware), and headlining local fundraisers and events (most recently, last weekend, in Iowa). And now, like then, he is toying with the idea of a campaign. (“As for the question of whether I might run for president again in 2020, I just might,” he told NBC News.)

But this is not the O’Malley who ran headlong into 2016. More than a year after his dismal finish in Iowa, securing less than 1% in the caucuses against Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, he still carries the frustration of a campaign spent trying and failing to find an “option to open up the lane.” He has a new distaste for the party establishment (“Washington gobbledygook”). And even as he supports local Democrats, trying to carve out his own role as the party centers itself around President Trump, he is without a clear next move for the first time in years.

His hard-charging political operation — a tight cadre of advisers, one or two always by his side in the years before 2016 — is no longer a familiar presence. He travels now with a single aide, a young operative named Ben Chou who ran the campaign’s operations team in Iowa. As the only full-time staffer at O’Malley’s PAC, O’Say Can You See, Chou helps manage the political work and keep an eye on the budget. (They began their trip to Iowa last weekend on the east coast around 5 a.m., touched down in Des Moines for a full day of events, before turning promptly around the next morning on a 7 a.m. flight.)

O’Malley has made himself widely available as a surrogate, telling officials at the Democratic committees in Washington that he is willing to go anywhere that’s helpful.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on March 11, 2017, 10:40:15 pm
NY Post: "Cuomo takes key step toward launching presidential campaign"

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Gov. Cuomo has hired two Florida fundraisers, a sign he’s building a national network to launch a presidential bid, sources told The Post.

The two consultants — one is former Hillary Clinton money man Jon Adrabi — will help plan events and build relationships with Democratic donors in the key swing state, sources said.

“Hiring out-of-state fundraising staff, particularly in a battleground state, opens up money spigots beyond what would normally be available and is a key first step to laying the groundwork for a run,” said one source, a Democratic operative, who said Cuomo’s plan is to hire political consultants with experience outside of New York.

http://nypost.com/2017/03/11/cuomo-takes-key-step-toward-launching-presidential-campaign/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Hindsight is 2020 on March 11, 2017, 11:52:44 pm
NY Post: "Cuomo takes key step toward launching presidential campaign"

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Gov. Cuomo has hired two Florida fundraisers, a sign he’s building a national network to launch a presidential bid, sources told The Post.

The two consultants — one is former Hillary Clinton money man Jon Adrabi — will help plan events and build relationships with Democratic donors in the key swing state, sources said.

“Hiring out-of-state fundraising staff, particularly in a battleground state, opens up money spigots beyond what would normally be available and is a key first step to laying the groundwork for a run,” said one source, a Democratic operative, who said Cuomo’s plan is to hire political consultants with experience outside of New York.

http://nypost.com/2017/03/11/cuomo-takes-key-step-toward-launching-presidential-campaign/
Cuomo is gonna crash an burn so badly in Iowa.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 12, 2017, 08:11:19 am
Sunday morning talk show watch: This morning, Booker is on "State of the Union", Kasich is on "Meet the Press", and Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders are on "Face the Nation":

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEWS_SHOWS?SITE=AP


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 12, 2017, 11:02:45 am
On Jason Kander...

http://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article138028323.html

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Democrats expect Kander will run again, noting that he lost last year’s Senate race by just 3 points. To them, his margin of defeat was evidence that he could just as easily win a statewide race in Missouri in a political environment that’s even slightly more favorable for the party.

What job he would seek isn’t clear, however. Missouri’s Senate race in 2018 features an incumbent member of his own party, Claire McCaskill. The state’s governor, Eric Greitens, doesn’t face re-election in 2020.

In an interview, Kander said he was focusing on his voting-rights group, Let America Vote, and wasn’t “thinking about the next office.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 12, 2017, 12:27:25 pm
Joe Biden's daughter Ashley on whether he'll run for prez again:

https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2017/mar/12/ashley-biden-on-athleisure-and-why-her-father-would-make-a-fantastic-president

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But might he be a little, well, bored, and would he perhaps consider a bid for the White House? “If he feels as good as he feels now …” his daughter replies. “Four years is a long way off, so it’s one day at a time. But I do think he would make a fantastic president and be exactly what this country needs.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 13, 2017, 01:00:08 am
Booker, earlier today:

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/323607-booker-on-2020-run-i-want-to-be-a-person-of-purpose-not-thinking-about-a

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Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) on Sunday said he wants to be a person "of purpose" right now, instead of talking about the possibility of a 2020 presidential bid.

"I think that we are doing — anybody in office is doing exactly what the American people are fed up and sick and tired of by talking about politics," Booker said on CNN's "State of the Union."

"Lets talk about people and purpose now. I want to be authentic in who I am right now. I want to be a person of purpose not thinking about a future office."

Booker said senators thinking about making a presidential bid are often "not a very good senator."

And here’s Mark Cuban’s latest, at SXSW:

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/12/mark-cuban-on-running-for-president-i-wouldnt-say-never.html

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Although it's not currently in his plans, don't shut the door on the possibility of Mark Cuban running for president.

"I wouldn't say never, but it's not my lifelong dream," Cuban told CNBC at the South by Southwest Festival in Austin, Texas. "It depends on how things turn out."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 13, 2017, 01:28:13 am
Joe and Jill Biden at SXSW with some folks you may or may not recognize:

(http://watchersonthewall.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Game-of-Thrones-SXSW-Joe-Biden-1024x768.jpg)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 13, 2017, 07:02:59 am
From this long NYT feature on Dem opposition: Reid encouraged Warren to run. (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/13/magazine/democratic-party-election-trump.html?_r=1&mtrref=www.realclearpolitics.com&gwh=CB8F8EB17DFB091374037A6018AE12F3&gwt=pay)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on March 13, 2017, 11:17:22 am
Two thoughts:

-It'd be amazing if Joe made a cameo in Game of Thrones
-Reid was the one that encouraged Obama to run I believe, and we know how that turned out


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Parrotguy on March 13, 2017, 11:20:14 am
Two thoughts:

-It'd be amazing if Joe made a cameo in Game of Thrones
-Reid was the one that encouraged Obama to run I believe, and we know how that turned out

Agreed with the first point!
As for the second... didn't Reid say a few months ago that the potential Democratic field looks like "an old folk's home"? Seems weird for him to encourage a Warren run in light of that.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Fubart Solman on March 13, 2017, 06:26:33 pm
Joe and Jill Biden at SXSW with some folks you may or may not recognize:

(http://watchersonthewall.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Game-of-Thrones-SXSW-Joe-Biden-1024x768.jpg)


Looks like he's winking.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 13, 2017, 08:10:58 pm
Booker headlining a Hollywood confab on Friday. (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/booker-heads-to-hollywood-amid-2020-speculation/)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Representative MAINEiac4434 on March 13, 2017, 10:46:52 pm
NY Post: "Cuomo takes key step toward launching presidential campaign"

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Gov. Cuomo has hired two Florida fundraisers, a sign he’s building a national network to launch a presidential bid, sources told The Post.

The two consultants — one is former Hillary Clinton money man Jon Adrabi — will help plan events and build relationships with Democratic donors in the key swing state, sources said.

“Hiring out-of-state fundraising staff, particularly in a battleground state, opens up money spigots beyond what would normally be available and is a key first step to laying the groundwork for a run,” said one source, a Democratic operative, who said Cuomo’s plan is to hire political consultants with experience outside of New York.

http://nypost.com/2017/03/11/cuomo-takes-key-step-toward-launching-presidential-campaign/
Cuomo is gonna crash an burn so badly in Iowa.
8%, behind Booker.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Representative MAINEiac4434 on March 13, 2017, 10:47:29 pm
Joe and Jill Biden at SXSW with some folks you may or may not recognize:

(http://watchersonthewall.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Game-of-Thrones-SXSW-Joe-Biden-1024x768.jpg)

Does Maisie Williams have any idea who Joe Biden is?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Married Gay Socialist on March 14, 2017, 10:55:19 am
You have to have a lot of balls (Can Angel confirm?) to think about running for president again 3 weeks after getting demolished in your home state by a reality TV star and dropping out of the race in disgrace.

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Back to the topic at hand:

The only answer for the Democrats in 2017 is real, strong, unapologetic, true progressives who cares more about the people and more about the real issues facing working Americans, and our young people. No more corporate Democrats.  Donald Trump will easily win again no matter how bad he does during his term if the Democrats put up another centrist corporate Dem. Clinton's campaign had no subsistence. 70% of her adds were personal attacks against Donald Trump- not policy subsistence.

The Democrats need an inspiring message of change that they can get behind- free of the corporate shade. The Democrats will continue to be decimated without a clear image and strong progressive anti-corruption leader.

I hope a progressive will rise to the call, so Hillary doesn't think she gets the change to embarrass the party again. Losing to the ape once should be enough. We cannot trust the Obama-Clinton New Democrat wing of the party to win seats in congress, bring new young people in, or fight for progressive change. We need a candidate of the people. No more billion dollar machines hell-bent on coronation rather than engaging in democracy with a serious contest of the ideas rather than personalities.

My answer to this question of, who in 2020? Here's my breakdown of who  think should run, and who should stay the hell away!

Acceptable:

Jeff Merkley, Russ Feingold, Donna Edwards, Tammy Baldwin, Raúl Grijalva, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Jared Polis, Pramila Jayapal,  Kamahla Harris, Ed Markey, Al Franken, Mazie Hirono, Tammy Duckworth, Judy Chu, Barbara Lee, Eleanor Holmes Norton, Maxine Waters,

Unacceptable/Will Easily Lose:
Hillary Clinton, Tim Kaine, Corey Booker, Tom Perez, Donna Brasil, any Obama, Bob Iger, Mark Cuban, Bill de Blasio, Debbie Stabenow, Chuck Schumer, Bill Nelsen, Chris Murphey, Dick Durbin, Patrick Murphy, Joe Donnelly


I'd have to say.. my top pick right now is Jeff Merkley. If he chooses not to run I hope Russ Feingold, Bernie Sanders, or Elizabeth Warren do.

I gave yall a lot of Dem choices that would be great. I urge the rest of you out there to seriously abandon any idea you may have for people like Clinton or any of the other listed horrible candidates. We need to win with strong progressive values. Personality poltics won beat Trump. Real substance in our fight for policies- only that will.

I will be in the fight for serious progressive change, no matter what may happen. Let's join together and fight for a more fair society, instead of allowing corporations to run our government, and in turn, our lives. Bernie's message lives on in so many young people like myself. We cant shun them, we must join them. That is the ticket to victory. Millennials are the largest generation in american history. We have the power. Now let's use it for the common good of the public, instead of never-ending wars & bailouts!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 14, 2017, 03:51:44 pm
Warren will be speaking to the Detroit branch of the NAACP on April 23rd, five days after her new book comes out:

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/elizabeth-warren-to-be-keynote-speaker-at-naacp-fight-for-freedom-fund-dinner

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The Detroit branch of the NAACP announced on Tuesday that Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) will be the keynote speaker at the 62nd annual Fight for Freedom Fund Dinner.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Solidarity Forever on March 14, 2017, 06:45:17 pm
Warren will be speaking to the Detroit branch of the NAACP on April 23rd, five days after her new book comes out:

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/elizabeth-warren-to-be-keynote-speaker-at-naacp-fight-for-freedom-fund-dinner

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The Detroit branch of the NAACP announced on Tuesday that Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) will be the keynote speaker at the 62nd annual Fight for Freedom Fund Dinner.


Seems like she's trying to cover up the holes in Bernie's resume from 2016.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 15, 2017, 12:48:28 am
Terry McAuliffe is going on a nationwide fundraising tour (with Holder and Pelosi) to raise $ for the Democrats’ redistricting reform advocacy group:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/eric-holder-nancy-pelosi-terry-mcauliffe-redistricting-235984


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Married Gay Socialist on March 15, 2017, 10:29:06 am
Terry McAuliffe is going on a nationwide fundraising tour (with Holder and Pelosi) to raise $ for the Democrats’ redistricting reform advocacy group:


I hope they stay as far away from the 2020 race as possible. No one more corrupt and establishmentarian than Holder & Pelosi. Major corporate champions.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on March 15, 2017, 11:16:11 am
O'Malley has commissioned a poll from PPP of a hypothetical 2020 Iowa caucus. I'm not sure what else he can do besides shout from the rooftops that he's running again.

Discussion of said poll can be found here: http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=260768.msg5570040#new

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/omalley-iowa-2020-236063


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 15, 2017, 02:35:21 pm
Franken on 2020:

https://tcjewfolk.com/al-franken-interview/

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Q: If you’re not looking to 2018, you’re probably not going to like this question at all; your seat is up in 2020 and in Minnesota, can you run for both Senate and president at the same time?

Franken: First of all, I’m not running for president. I think that normally what senators do is to enter the presidential race, then lose very quickly and run for the senate. That seems to be how it works.

Q: But that’s not going to be you?

Franken: No.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 15, 2017, 04:27:34 pm
Mark Cuban opines on 2020 yet again:

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/politics/Mark-Cuban-Not-Ruling-Out-a-2020-White-House-Run-416248303.html

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“I don’t have an aspiration to be a politician. I don’t have this government service gene, so it's not a compelling part of me. It would have to be something where I thought I could fix something in a manner that other people couldn’t. If it was broken. If it’s not broken ... you know what, I’ll get out the way. I’m not going to run for President just to make a point,” he said. 

Later in the conversation, when asked if he was clearly thinking about it, Cuban added, “Yea, because I’m an American citizen. I care about this country and I want to do right by it. Look, no one has been more blessed by the opportunities this country creates than me. And so I feel an obligation that if I can contribute I will.”

Cuban seemed most concerned about technology and where it may be headed with Trump in the White House.

"Never in my wildest dreams did I think we’d have a president who not only has never sent an email, but thinks it’s too hard to learn how to Google," Cuban said. "I was willing to send my 7-year-old to help him but (laughs), that’s scary to me."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 15, 2017, 04:29:33 pm
Joe and Jill Biden at SXSW with some folks you may or may not recognize:

(http://watchersonthewall.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Game-of-Thrones-SXSW-Joe-Biden-1024x768.jpg)

Does Maisie Williams have any idea who Joe Biden is?

I don't know.  But here's a Biden gif for Maisie on the off chance she's reading this:

(https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/files/2017/03/Bidenscarf.gif)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Shadows on March 15, 2017, 11:12:55 pm
Did people see the Booker CNN interview? He spoke garbage & big lines all the time & was not making sense. He will probably turn out to be worse than Hillary & is possibly beyond repair at this point !


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Representative MAINEiac4434 on March 16, 2017, 08:36:13 am
Joe and Jill Biden at SXSW with some folks you may or may not recognize:

(http://watchersonthewall.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Game-of-Thrones-SXSW-Joe-Biden-1024x768.jpg)

Does Maisie Williams have any idea who Joe Biden is?

I don't know.  But here's a Biden gif for Maisie on the off chance she's reading this:

(https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/files/2017/03/Bidenscarf.gif)

King


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 16, 2017, 12:18:03 pm
Hartford Courant story on Murphy’s newly raised profile, and how he’s using it to raise big $ (by the standards of a Senator in Connecticut):

http://www.courant.com/politics/hc-chris-murphy-trump-fundraising-20170315-story.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 16, 2017, 12:35:25 pm
de Blasio managed to avoid breaking the law with his fundraising:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/mayor-de-blasio-dodges-criminal-charges-fund-raising-probe-article-1.2999730

He's thus free to run for president in 2020 scandal-free.  :P


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Shameless Bernie Hack on March 16, 2017, 06:56:29 pm
I don't know if this has been mentioned on the thread, but Elizabeth Warren is going on a book tour (http://us.macmillan.com/afightingchance/elizabethwarren/9781250062253/).

My girlfriend and I have tickets to the Chicago leg on April 22; I'll report back if there are any 2020 tea leaves.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Hindsight is 2020 on March 16, 2017, 09:31:18 pm
Hartford Courant story on Murphy’s newly raised profile, and how he’s using it to raise big $ (by the standards of a Senator in Connecticut):

http://www.courant.com/politics/hc-chris-murphy-trump-fundraising-20170315-story.html

That comment section is cancer


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 17, 2017, 01:13:26 am
So, Andrew Cuomo’s nonprofit “HELP USA” decided to honor Joe Biden on Thursday, and Biden used the opportunity to talk politics in a way that he hasn’t since Trump’s inauguration:

http://www.newsday.com/news/new-york/joe-biden-calls-trump-budget-policies-a-change-in-the-landscape-1.13276865

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Biden, a Democrat, who did not name Trump during his remarks, said the Obama administration passed $6.4 billion in funding to research cancer and other diseases last year, projects that now face an uncertain future under the “new budget.”
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“Instead of working to give life and meaning to the proposition that mental health should be covered as thoroughly, as significantly as physical health . . . now we’re relitigating the proposition of whether or not health care is a right. I thought we settled that,” Biden said, referring to Trump’s efforts to repeal the Obama administration’s Affordable Care Act.

Etc.

But the most notable thing to come from this event was an epic picture of Cuomo grinning at Biden.  I mean seriously, doesn’t this expression on Cuomo’s face terrify you?:

(http://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1.13276864.1489716446!/httpImage/image.jpeg_gen/derivatives/display_600/image.jpeg)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 17, 2017, 01:18:49 am
I don't know if this has been mentioned on the thread, but Elizabeth Warren is going on a book tour (http://us.macmillan.com/afightingchance/elizabethwarren/9781250062253/).

You linked to the info about her last book.  Her new book is "This Fight is Our Fight".  And yes, it's been mentioned here in this thread.  E.g.:

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=233345.msg5513570#msg5513570

However, I haven't made any systematic attempt to list every stop she has planned on her book tour.  Is there a list somewhere?  I'm definitely keeping my eye out for any trips she might make to early primary states on this tour, if any.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on March 17, 2017, 10:42:07 am
In another possible sign Warren is running, she has just hired Kristen Orthman for her political team, who is a former top aide to Harry Reid (who recently told her to run for president).


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Shadows on March 17, 2017, 10:50:24 am
Chelsea Clinton is writing a book of sorts "She persisted" which will have tales of many women including her mother !


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Shameless Bernie Hack on March 17, 2017, 11:10:42 am
I don't know if this has been mentioned on the thread, but Elizabeth Warren is going on a book tour (http://us.macmillan.com/afightingchance/elizabethwarren/9781250062253/).

You linked to the info about her last book.  Her new book is "This Fight is Our Fight".  And yes, it's been mentioned here in this thread.  E.g.:

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=233345.msg5513570#msg5513570

However, I haven't made any systematic attempt to list every stop she has planned on her book tour.  Is there a list somewhere?  I'm definitely keeping my eye out for any trips she might make to early primary states on this tour, if any.

A quick search on the event site reveals only one other event, occurring at a venue of a similar size in Boston. It looks like Senate fundraising, for all intents and purposes.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Representative MAINEiac4434 on March 17, 2017, 01:21:29 pm
So, Andrew Cuomo’s nonprofit “HELP USA” decided to honor Joe Biden on Thursday, and Biden used the opportunity to talk politics in a way that he hasn’t since Trump’s inauguration:

http://www.newsday.com/news/new-york/joe-biden-calls-trump-budget-policies-a-change-in-the-landscape-1.13276865

Quote
Biden, a Democrat, who did not name Trump during his remarks, said the Obama administration passed $6.4 billion in funding to research cancer and other diseases last year, projects that now face an uncertain future under the “new budget.”
.
.
.
“Instead of working to give life and meaning to the proposition that mental health should be covered as thoroughly, as significantly as physical health . . . now we’re relitigating the proposition of whether or not health care is a right. I thought we settled that,” Biden said, referring to Trump’s efforts to repeal the Obama administration’s Affordable Care Act.

Etc.

But the most notable thing to come from this event was an epic picture of Cuomo grinning at Biden.  I mean seriously, doesn’t this expression on Cuomo’s face terrify you?:

(http://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1.13276864.1489716446!/httpImage/image.jpeg_gen/derivatives/display_600/image.jpeg)

THIS IS HOW NORMAL HUMANS BE HAVE. I AM ANDREW CUOMO. VOTE FOR ME.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 17, 2017, 05:41:09 pm
I don't know if this has been mentioned on the thread, but Elizabeth Warren is going on a book tour (http://us.macmillan.com/afightingchance/elizabethwarren/9781250062253/).

You linked to the info about her last book.  Her new book is "This Fight is Our Fight".  And yes, it's been mentioned here in this thread.  E.g.:

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=233345.msg5513570#msg5513570

However, I haven't made any systematic attempt to list every stop she has planned on her book tour.  Is there a list somewhere?  I'm definitely keeping my eye out for any trips she might make to early primary states on this tour, if any.

A quick search on the event site reveals only one other event, occurring at a venue of a similar size in Boston. It looks like Senate fundraising, for all intents and purposes.

As noted in this thread a few days ago, she's scheduled to speak to the Detroit branch of the NAACP a few days after her book comes out:

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=233345.msg5568727#msg5568727

She will presumably be doing an awful lot of public events right after the book is released, and not all of it will be explicitly book-related, but I'm sure she'll bring it up.  We'll presumably be hearing more about her April/May schedule in the coming weeks.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 17, 2017, 07:05:04 pm
Long-ish story here on Klobuchar and her penchant for bipartisanship, which is out of favor with the Dem. base at the moment:

https://www.minnpost.com/politics-policy/2017/03/democrats-want-all-out-war-trump-bad-news-sen-bipartisanship

She again skirts the question of whether she’ll run for prez in 2020:

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As for any 2020 aspirations, Klobuchar answered diplomatically, as she always does. “I think right now we have a lot on our plate to stand up for the people of our states and our country, that’s what I’m focused on right now. That's why I decided to run for Senate again," she said.

What kind of Democrat should run in 2020, then?

“People ask that a lot, ask about me some, ask about, who’s the perfect candidate — I think we kinda did that the last election,” Klobuchar explained, flashing a self-effacing smile. “We probably need a bit of a competition.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: History505 on March 17, 2017, 07:22:17 pm
Long-ish story here on Klobuchar and her penchant for bipartisanship, which is out of favor with the Dem. base at the moment:

https://www.minnpost.com/politics-policy/2017/03/democrats-want-all-out-war-trump-bad-news-sen-bipartisanship

She again skirts the question of whether she’ll run for prez in 2020:

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As for any 2020 aspirations, Klobuchar answered diplomatically, as she always does. “I think right now we have a lot on our plate to stand up for the people of our states and our country, that’s what I’m focused on right now. That's why I decided to run for Senate again," she said.

What kind of Democrat should run in 2020, then?

“People ask that a lot, ask about me some, ask about, who’s the perfect candidate — I think we kinda did that the last election,” Klobuchar explained, flashing a self-effacing smile. “We probably need a bit of a competition.”

She is definitely not wrong there.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on March 17, 2017, 09:15:31 pm
Bill Maher brought up a possible presidential run with Sheldon Whitehouse, who shut it down pretty quickly.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Hindsight is 2020 on March 17, 2017, 10:45:02 pm
Bill Maher brought up a possible presidential run with Sheldon Whitehouse, who shut it down pretty quickly.
He also keeps pushing Gavin whom I like but even against Trump woukd look bad as only being governor for like a year before running


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 18, 2017, 09:48:36 am
On Thursday, Warren was asked about the reports that Harry Reid urged to run for prez, and she gave a non-denial “I’m not thinking about that” answer:

link (http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2017/03/harry_reid_urged_sen_elizabeth.html)

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"I thought that was a very generous suggestion from Senator Reid, but not something that I'm thinking about," Warren, D-Mass., said when asked about the meeting on Thursday.

Warren's answer didn't close the door to a presidential run. She is up for re-election in 2018.

Is there any less believable answer to this question than “not something that I’m thinking about”?  I’m pretty sure that a presidential run is something that crosses these candidates’ minds on a regular basis.

Also, Politico has a new story on Warren’s access to the press:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/elizabeth-warren-press-media-reelection-236212


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Sorenroy on March 18, 2017, 02:22:29 pm
Hey Mr. Modern, I just wanted to give a public shout-out to how awesome it is that you spend your time finding and posting all these articles. I wouldn't be nearly as up to date on what is going on in the political world if it wasn't for you and the other awesome posters on this and other threads on the Atlas.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 18, 2017, 02:43:56 pm
Hey Mr. Modern, I just wanted to give a public shout-out to how awesome it is that you spend your time finding and posting all these articles. I wouldn't be nearly as up to date on what is going on in the political world if it wasn't for you and the other awesome posters on this and other threads on the Atlas.

No problem.  Thanks for the appreciation.

I am unlikely to have the same amount of time to devote to this for the duration of the 2020 cycle though, but hopefully others will pick up the torch.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 18, 2017, 04:20:52 pm
WaPo has a new story on Franken:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/al-franken-has-found-a-new-role-in-the-trump-era/2017/03/18/247737bc-0b54-11e7-a15f-a58d4a988474_story.html

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Where it took Franken nearly six years to agree to his first Sunday show appearance as a senator, he now shows up on them frequently. There has even been talk of his potential as a presidential candidate.

“No. No,” he said. “I like this job. I really like this job. I like representing the people of Minnesota. I feel like I’m really beginning to know this job.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Shameless Bernie Hack on March 18, 2017, 05:01:53 pm
Hey Mr. Modern, I just wanted to give a public shout-out to how awesome it is that you spend your time finding and posting all these articles. I wouldn't be nearly as up to date on what is going on in the political world if it wasn't for you and the other awesome posters on this and other threads on the Atlas.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Representative MAINEiac4434 on March 18, 2017, 10:50:45 pm
Bill Maher brought up a possible presidential run with Sheldon Whitehouse, who shut it down pretty quickly.
He also keeps pushing Gavin whom I like but even against Trump woukd look bad as only being governor for like a year before running
I refuse to believe that looks bad anymore. We have a reality tv star as president for christ sake.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Shameless Bernie Hack on March 18, 2017, 10:59:27 pm
Bill Maher brought up a possible presidential run with Sheldon Whitehouse, who shut it down pretty quickly.
He also keeps pushing Gavin whom I like but even against Trump woukd look bad as only being governor for like a year before running
I refuse to believe that looks bad anymore. We have a reality tv star as president for christ sake.

Reality TV star is one thing. A snollygoster is quite another.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Parrotguy on March 19, 2017, 12:24:14 am
Hey Mr. Modern, I just wanted to give a public shout-out to how awesome it is that you spend your time finding and posting all these articles. I wouldn't be nearly as up to date on what is going on in the political world if it wasn't for you and the other awesome posters on this and other threads on the Atlas.



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Shadows on March 19, 2017, 01:03:53 am
Hey Mr. Modern, I just wanted to give a public shout-out to how awesome it is that you spend your time finding and posting all these articles. I wouldn't be nearly as up to date on what is going on in the political world if it wasn't for you and the other awesome posters on this and other threads on the Atlas.

Fantastic job truly !


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: houseonaboat on March 19, 2017, 01:18:23 am
WaPo has a new story on Franken:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/al-franken-has-found-a-new-role-in-the-trump-era/2017/03/18/247737bc-0b54-11e7-a15f-a58d4a988474_story.html

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Where it took Franken nearly six years to agree to his first Sunday show appearance as a senator, he now shows up on them frequently. There has even been talk of his potential as a presidential candidate.

“No. No,” he said. “I like this job. I really like this job. I like representing the people of Minnesota. I feel like I’m really beginning to know this job.”


Franken and (to an extent) Chris Murphy have both been pretty clear that they don't intend to run for president and I believe them. I think Murphy's dream job is either Senate Majority Leader or Secretary of State, and Franken seems like he's content with being a career Senator.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Spenstar on March 19, 2017, 09:03:21 am
WaPo has a new story on Franken:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/al-franken-has-found-a-new-role-in-the-trump-era/2017/03/18/247737bc-0b54-11e7-a15f-a58d4a988474_story.html

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Where it took Franken nearly six years to agree to his first Sunday show appearance as a senator, he now shows up on them frequently. There has even been talk of his potential as a presidential candidate.

“No. No,” he said. “I like this job. I really like this job. I like representing the people of Minnesota. I feel like I’m really beginning to know this job.”


Franken and (to an extent) Chris Murphy have both been pretty clear that they don't intend to run for president and I believe them. I think Murphy's dream job is either Senate Majority Leader or Secretary of State, and Franken seems like he's content with being a career Senator.

Yeah, Franken seems satisfied with his platform as a Senator, and I think he's more interested in governance than campaigning anyway. But that also means that all of his positioning against Trump has been for its own sake, not to build a national profile, and that makes it all the more admirable


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 19, 2017, 12:24:15 pm
Kasich's posse is having a reunion:

http://www.dispatch.com/news/20170310/daily-briefing-kasich-and-friends-gathering-to-reminisce-on-presidential-run

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Ohio's governor will gather with the aides and volunteers for his unsuccessful presidential campaign for a "Team Kasich Appreciation Party" on Wednesday.

The day marks the one-year anniversary of Kasich's only win in the Republican primaries, a 47-percent to 36-percent win over now-President Donald Trump in his home state of Ohio.

The evening "thank you" event at Strongwater Food and Spirits in Franklinton is sponsored by the remnants of his presidential campaign committee, Kasich for America.


Here's the only other press I could find on this event:

http://www.cleveland.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/03/for_one_night_only_john_kasich.html

I guess it was closed to the media, so we don't know if there was any talk about Kasich's future there, or whether he might run for president again.

But seriously, the guy runs for president and wins exactly one state primary: his home state.  This is such a great accomplishment that his team decides to have a party on the one year anniversary of said primary win, to pat themselves on the back for the tremendous job they did?  Sheesh.

But just so we can all bask in the glory, here is a shot of the confetti dropping on Kasich back on March 15th, 2016, when he gloriously scored a primary election victory in his home state of Ohio (his only win of the cycle):

(http://image.cleveland.com/home/cleve-media/width620/img/politics_impact/photo/22301810-mmmain.jpg)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Married Gay Socialist on March 20, 2017, 08:07:28 am
Did people see the Booker CNN interview? He spoke garbage & big lines all the time & was not making sense. He will probably turn out to be worse than Hillary & is possibly beyond repair at this point !

This is exactly why Donald Trump will win in 2020, and democrats will be destroyed in the Senate in 2018.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 20, 2017, 08:43:34 am
So apparently Bob Iger was asked last week if he’d run for president, and he didn’t seem to rule it out, deflecting the question with “I have a full time job right now”:

http://us11.campaign-archive2.com/?u=47c9040f6ff957a59bd88396e&id=593ac40feb

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Q: A lot of people think you should run for POTUS; would you consider it?

Iger: Well that's very nice of you. I have a full time job right now, it's called CEO of The Walt Disney Company, and I don't think the notion of running for president is something anyone considers either on a part time basis or a frivolous way.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Langley ➡️ The Hague on March 20, 2017, 10:47:18 am
So apparently Bob Iger was asked last week if he’d run for president, and he didn’t seem to rule it out, deflecting the question with “I have a full time job right now”:

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Q: A lot of people think you should run for POTUS; would you consider it?

Iger: Well that's very nice of you. I have a full time job right now, it's called CEO of The Walt Disney Company, and I don't think the notion of running for president is something anyone considers either on a part time basis or a frivolous way.


The optics of a media company executive running for the nomination of the Democratic Party are comically terrible.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 20, 2017, 10:58:22 am
Who was the last business executive to run for the Democratic nomination for president?  We've certainly seen people run for the nomination from outside of politics (e.g., Clark and Sharpton in 2004), but they weren't coming from the business world.  It's the Republicans who typically get folks like Forbes, Fiorina, and Trump running for prez.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 20, 2017, 11:53:54 am
Who was the last business executive to run for the Democratic nomination for president?  We've certainly seen people run for the nomination from outside of politics (e.g., Clark and Sharpton in 2004), but they weren't coming from the business world.  It's the Republicans who typically get folks like Forbes, Fiorina, and Trump running for prez.

Harriman 1956


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Langley ➡️ The Hague on March 20, 2017, 12:17:09 pm
Wasn't Harriman involved in WW2 diplomatic efforts and served in Truman's admin? There'd be little precedent for an Iger Democratic Party candidacy (or Schultz/Cuban as well).


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 20, 2017, 12:28:05 pm
So compared to other Democratic politicos no longer holding political office who’ve had their names floated as potential 2020 candidates (Castro and O’Malley), Joe Biden hasn’t been nearly so active on the political scene since Inauguration Day, and has only made public comments about Trump administration policy sparingly.  (He did criticize Trump at that Cuomo event last week, but did so without speaking Trump’s name.)

However, Biden will be joining House Dems on Wednesday in a rally to save Obamacare:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/joe-biden-obamacare-rally-dc-236253

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Former Vice President Joe Biden will join Democrats at the Capitol Wednesday as they rally to save Obamacare one day before House Republicans vote to dismantle the health law.

Biden will join House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and other House Democrats on the front steps of the Capitol at 10 a.m. Wednesday, making one of his first major appearances since leaving office in January.

The event, which also will feature Americans who have benefited from the law, is being billed as a celebration marking the seventh anniversary of the Affordable Care Act, which was signed into law March 23, 2010, according to a press advisory obtained by POLITICO.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 20, 2017, 03:47:01 pm
Warren claims to be focused on 2017 and not thinking yet about 2020:

http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/03/us_sen_elizabeth_warren_says_s_1.html

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Warren told reporters following a town hall-style event at CityStage in downtown Springfield that while the president may focus on things like the crowd size at his inauguration, she is concentrating on his policies and how they are impacting working class Americans.

"He wants to do his tweets, he wants to think about how big his crowd size was, he wants to think about what happens four years from now, what I'm thinking about is what Donald Trump is doing to this country today," she said. "That's what really, really has me up and working hard."
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Warren, however, largely dismissed the prospect of a White House run during her Monday morning appearance. She playfully hushed a group of supporters urging her to challenge Trump and asked them to "sit down."

Video clip of her responding to reporters’ questions about Trump’s boast that he’d beat her handily:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh-yKlwl_3g


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Southern Dep. Speaker Dwarven Dragon on March 20, 2017, 08:11:28 pm
Not that his run was ever all that likely, but Paul Ryan will not try to primary Trump:

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Ryan has said this is the last job he's going to have in politics and he will do whatever it takes to succeed.

In the context of the article, "this" is referring to his current job - house speaker

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/paul-ryan-obamacare-repeal-trump-236229


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 21, 2017, 08:04:03 am
Booker asked about 2020 again.  He says “my focus is running again in 2020”, which presumably is intended to mean running for reelection for Senate, though I don’t think he’s announced yet whether he’s going to run for another term for Senate.

http://www.njspotlight.com/stories/17/03/20/at-nj-spotlight-newsmaker-u-s-sen-booker-meets-with-our-members/

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Q: Any best guesses about which Democrats will run for President in 2020, and is this something you’re considering?

Booker: I get this question all the time … and I tell people you’re crazy to be thinking 2020 with that specificity now. I am one who believes you are a bad senator if you are thinking about running for president three or four years out. You are shaping what you think to what Iowa might want, what New Hampshire might want.

Q: Wasn’t President Barack Obama as a senator thinking three or four years out?

Booker: I just want to say that I learned in Newark to focus on where you are... I am very happy where I am, and my focus is running again in 2020.

Seattle Times story on Schultz stepping down as Starbucks CEO, which mentions 2020:

http://www.seattletimes.com/business/starbucks/an-era-ends-for-starbucks-and-howard-schultz/

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On April 2, 63-year-old CEO Howard Schultz is stepping down from his second stint at the helm of the company he built into a global empire. The first time he left, an overexpanding Starbucks crashed into a sharp recession, and he returned to put the company back on the rails.

This time, he leaves the CEO position as questions again loom about Starbucks’ growth prospects — and about his own future as an advocate for social causes and, perhaps, a political candidate.
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The New York Times recently quoted former presidential adviser David Gergen as saying “Howard Schultz is definitely being pursued” to run for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2020.

Starbucks would only say on the matter: “Howard is focused on Starbucks and our aspirations for the company, doing all he can from his position to create social impact and contribute to the greater good as a public company.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 21, 2017, 11:44:10 am
Cuomo is hiring a bunch of Obama, Biden, and Clinton veterans:

http://nypost.com/2017/03/21/cuomo-padding-his-staff-with-veteran-democrats/

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Democrats out of work because Donald Trump won the White House have found a landing spot: the Cuomo administration.

Cuomo announced 27 staff appointments on Tuesday and 12 either worked for the Obama White House, the federal government or in a presidential campaign.

“The governor is gearing up for re-election next year. And if he gets re-elected, he’ll be prepared if he wants to take the next step,” said political consultant Hank Sheinkopf, a reference to Cuomo’s possible presidential run in 2020.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Solidarity Forever on March 21, 2017, 11:59:40 am
Ugh


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: henster on March 21, 2017, 04:22:11 pm
The worst thing about a Cuomo run is it will probably dissuade Gillibrand from running.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 21, 2017, 04:23:19 pm
The worst thing about a Cuomo run is it will probably dissuade Gillibrand from running.

That's what everyone said about Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio.  :P


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 21, 2017, 04:52:22 pm
Klobuchar, in questioning Gorsuch says “It’s pretty important to me” that it’s constitutional for a woman to be president of the United States.  Video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to13izMf5rE&t=1m16s

I guess she just wants to be sure that if she’s elected president, the Roberts Court won’t rule her ineligible.  :P


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 22, 2017, 08:41:50 am
Warren to give keynote address at Emily’s List gala:

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-03-22/warren-to-speak-at-emily-s-list-gala-as-she-considers-campaigns

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Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren will raise her profile as a leader among President Donald Trump’s opposition -- and a potential re-election opponent -- with a major speech at the Democratic women’s group Emily’s List’s annual gala in May.
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Warren’s role at the “We Are EMILY” gala is the latest sign that she seeks to claim Hillary Clinton’s mantle as the most powerful Democratic woman in the U.S., complete with her own White House aspirations. Clinton was the keynote speaker at the 2015 gala, just a month before she launched her second presidential campaign.

In 2013, Emily’s List started a “Madam President” project to work toward putting a woman in the White House in 2016. Though it was not officially tied to any one candidate, the project was seen as an attempt to shape public attitudes before Clinton entered the race.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 22, 2017, 09:55:59 am
Biden on Capitol Hill, speaking at rally to save Obamacare:

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/844558875403730945
https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/844559274500116480
https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/844560099083464706
https://twitter.com/deirdrewalshcnn/status/844561367394865152

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Biden framing AHCA as a wealth transfer to rich. "Nothing's changed about Republicans, except they've got a president who's... colorful"

After Pelosi thanks Biden for showing up, he leans back into mic: "I ain't goin' anywhere. This is not gonna pass."

Biden, asked if the Obama WH wiretapped Trump: "Yeah, five or six times. Are you serious, man?"

Asked fmr VP Biden if Trump owes Obama an apology on wiretapping charge and he replied "any gentleman would"

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7h67QVXgAEXGtQ.jpg)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 22, 2017, 04:52:25 pm
Keith Ellison is doing an event in New Hampshire on Saturday:

https://www.facebook.com/NHDems/photos/a.10150541483732785.460841.205826147784/10155887206582785/?type=3&theater

And speaking of New Hampshire, the annual McIntyre-Shaheen fundraising dinner is now scheduled for April 30th:

https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/mcintyreshaheen2017?mc_cid=815014d106&mc_eid=

In past years, it’s drawn Democratic presidential candidates, though no national headliners are being mentioned for it this time.  But maybe they’ll be able to snag one of the prospective 2020ers.  It’s still more than a month away, so there’s plenty of time for them to find someone.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: NeederNodder on March 22, 2017, 05:46:43 pm
Tom Periello is taking Questions on Reddit Right Now

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/60x5qk/im_tom_perriello_current_candidate_for_virginia


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 23, 2017, 02:26:39 pm
Bob Iger's contract at Disney has been extended until July 2, 2019, perfect timing for him to launch his presidential campaign.  :P

http://www.nbcmontana.com/news/money/bob-iger-extends-contract-at-disney/411049502


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 23, 2017, 10:14:40 pm
Robby Mook was asked a few days ago if Hillary Clinton would run for president again:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/robby-mook-wont-rule-out-hillary-clinton-running-again-in-2020/article/2617982

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"I'm going to let her answer for that," Robby Mook said Monday evening during an appearance on MSNBC's "For The Record With Greta."

Host Greta Van Susteren pointed out to Mook that people are "buzzing" because Clinton was in Scranton, Pennsylvania on St. Patrick's Day.

"I think what happens right now, we've got to get to the bottom of what happened in 2016 then we can start worrying about the next cycle," Mook said, referring to the FBI investigation into Russia's attempted meddling in the election. "But we've got to make sure that this cannot happen again in two years or four years to anybody else."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 25, 2017, 07:37:44 am
Sunday morning talk show watch: Kasich and Sanders will both be on CNN’s “State of the Union” tomorrow:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEWS_SHOWS?SITE=AP

In other news, Biden says he regrets “not being president” by sitting out the 2016 race:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/joe-biden-gop-health-care_us_58d58b51e4b03692bea610cc

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“I had planned on running for president and although it would have been a very difficult primary, I think I could have won,” he said. “Maybe not, I don’t know.”

But the former vice president said he “lost a part of [his] soul” when his son, former Delaware attorney general Beau Biden, died in 2015 of brain cancer. Beau, the former vice president said, had urged his father to run, but the elder Biden felt it would be too much of a strain on the rest of his family. He ultimately decided against running roughly five months after his son’s death.
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“Do I regret not being president? Yes,” he said. 


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: NOVA Green on March 25, 2017, 11:04:01 pm
Mr Morden....

Just wanted to jump in and say how much I, and many other members of the Forum, appreciate all of the hard work and dedication that you have provided 24 hours on this thread.   :)

Most of us rarely post, but this thread is obviously not only a project of love, but also contributes to the overall "Body of Knowledge" on Atlas, as well as all of the lurkers that monitor this thread, and share your current updates on many other forums on the Blogosphere (Did I just date myself)   :(    :)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on March 26, 2017, 09:09:59 am
Dana Bash @DanaBashCNN
Wow. @JohnKasich just told me he isn't running again for president.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: houseonaboat on March 26, 2017, 09:28:33 am
Sunday morning talk show watch: Kasich and Sanders will both be on CNN’s “State of the Union” tomorrow:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEWS_SHOWS?SITE=AP

In other news, Biden says he regrets “not being president” by sitting out the 2016 race:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/joe-biden-gop-health-care_us_58d58b51e4b03692bea610cc

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“I had planned on running for president and although it would have been a very difficult primary, I think I could have won,” he said. “Maybe not, I don’t know.”

But the former vice president said he “lost a part of [his] soul” when his son, former Delaware attorney general Beau Biden, died in 2015 of brain cancer. Beau, the former vice president said, had urged his father to run, but the elder Biden felt it would be too much of a strain on the rest of his family. He ultimately decided against running roughly five months after his son’s death.
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“Do I regret not being president? Yes,” he said. 


I feel like Biden says some variation of this every other week.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 26, 2017, 10:12:50 am
Dana Bash @DanaBashCNN
Wow. @JohnKasich just told me he isn't running again for president.

Looks like his statement was far less than Shermanesque:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/kasich-thinks-he-wont-run-for-president-again-but-doesnt-close-the-door/article/2618475

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Ohio Gov. John Kasich said Sunday that he doesn't think he will run for president, but he didn't rule it out either.

"I'm not really interested in running for political office again, I'm interested in being a voice that can help bring the country back together again," Kasich said during an appearance on CNN's State of the Union.

Asked if he meant that he was ruling out a run for president, Kasich responded: "I don't see it. I just just don't see it."

"I don't see it," he added, but then qualified his remarks by adding that "you don't close the door on anything."

In any case, Kasich has a book coming out next month, and his book tour will take him back to New Hampshire (http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=233345.msg5516976#msg5516976), so I’m sure he’ll be asked this question many more times in the near future.

And btw, for someone who's not running for president again, he sure does like giving interviews on the Sunday news shows.  It seems like he's been on there every other week since the inauguration, which has got to be way more than any other governor in the country.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: mencken on March 26, 2017, 10:17:31 am
He would have a better chance as a unity candidate in a very crowded Democratic field than primarying Trump.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 26, 2017, 10:30:58 am
Sanders asked at a town hall if he’ll run for prez again in 2020 and says that it’s “too early to begin thinking about that”:

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/life/2017/03/25/sanders-boosts-arts-education-town-meeting-hinesburg/99488174/

Warren deflects a similar question at her own event at Framingham State University:

http://www.wickedlocal.com/news/20170325/fight-back-warren-tells-cheering-crowd-in-framingham

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Warren — who has been floated as a potential presidential contender — deflected a question about preventing Trump's re-election in 2020, saying she remains focused on the fights "right in front of us," including health care and tougher banking regulations.

He would have a better chance as a unity candidate in a very crowded Democratic field than primarying Trump.

I feel like there's a strong chance that *someone* on the Republican side will run against Trump in the primary just to make a statement, even knowing that they can't win.  Whether it'll be Kasich or not, I don't know.  But people run for president all the time despite having a <1% chance of winning, so for someone out there, not being able to win won't be a strong enough deterrent.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 26, 2017, 02:14:30 pm
Business Insider has a new story on Mark Cuban 2020:

http://www.businessinsider.com/cuban-2020-president-trump-2017-3

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In conversations with Business Insider, Cuban's longtime friends said they were initially surprised to see Cuban get involved politically, but they added that they could certainly now envision him entering the fray in 2020. And while it would be a climb to the White House for the tech titan, campaign experts have laid out a path Cuban could take to find himself in the Oval Office.
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The first steps to laying out a campaign infrastructure, Sullivan said, would be to get informed on the issues and begin to take positions on key areas of policy.

Cuban has already started to do that. He put forth a proposal to fix the Affordable Care Act, and he hammered away at a jobs platform heavily focused on dealing with what he sees as an upcoming wave of job loss due to automation, necessitating "macro"-level changes to economic policies.

Should he decide to run, Cuban will also need to address what the future of his business empire would look like — something he said he has already considered.

"I have so many private business investments that it would be impossible to sell them," Cuban told Business Insider. "I would put them in a blind trust but make it clear I would still be available on a limited basis for those companies. It wouldn't be fair to those companies if I just bailed on them.

So I guess, just like Trump himself, Cuban is a bit confused about what a “blind trust” is.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Castro on March 26, 2017, 02:41:58 pm
There is a universe where, in 2021, Mark Cuban and Mr. Wonderful are discussing trade relations between the U.S. and Canada.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread
Post by: Southern Dep. Speaker Dwarven Dragon on March 26, 2017, 03:01:33 pm
Dana Bash @DanaBashCNN
Wow. @JohnKasich just told me he isn't running again for president.

Looks like his statement was far less than Shermanesque:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/kasich-thinks-he-wont-run-for-president-again-but-doesnt-close-the-door/article/2618475

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Ohio Gov. John Kasich said Sunday that he doesn't think he will run for president, but he didn't rule it out either.

"I'm not really interested in running for political office again, I'm interested in being a voice that can help bring the country back together again," Kasich said during an appearance on CNN's State of the Union.

Asked if he meant that he was ruling out a run for president, Kasich responded: "I don't see it. I just just don't see it."

"I don't see it," he added, but then qualified his remarks by adding that "you don't close the door on anything."

In any case, Kasich has a book coming out next month, and his book tour will take him back to New Hampshire (http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=233345.msg5516976#msg5516976), so I’m sure he’ll be asked this question many more times in the near future.

And btw, for someone who's not running for president again, he sure does like giving interviews on the Sunday news shows.  It seems like he's been on there every other week since the inauguration, which has got to be way more than any other governor in the country.


Just before that though, he said the word no about 8 times, so pretty close to shernanesque:. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/john-kasich-president-2020_us_58d7d3ffe4b03692bea6c7a5


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread