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Election Archive => 2016 U.S. Presidential Primary Election Polls => Topic started by: Holmes on April 12, 2016, 11:14:29 AM



Title: CT - Emerson: Trump +24, Clinton +6
Post by: Holmes on April 12, 2016, 11:14:29 AM
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Title: Re: CT - Emerson: Trump +24, Clinton +6
Post by: PeteB on April 12, 2016, 11:20:29 AM
Very strong numbers from both Clinton and Trump!


Title: Re: CT - Emerson: Trump +24, Clinton +6
Post by: Volrath50 on April 12, 2016, 11:24:01 AM
As much as Emerson usually sort of sucks, this seems about right. Looks like Trump will most likely sweep all delegates in CT. (AFAIK, it's WTA by CD.) I wonder how fast the media will switch from "TRUMP IS DOOMED" to "TRUMP IS INVINCIBLE, CRUZ IS DOOMED" after Trump wins in a blowout on both 19 April and 26 April.


Title: Re: CT - Emerson: Trump +24, Clinton +6
Post by: Shadows on April 12, 2016, 11:30:40 AM
Emerson has does a lot of landline & older voter sampling which is why Clinton does awesome in these polls.

If she is +6 in Emerson, I think in truth Sanders may well be tied or ahead. With so much time left, I think Sanders has a big BIG chance of winning CT (& this means probably CT as well).

Great results for Sanders!


Title: Re: CT - Emerson: Trump +24, Clinton +6
Post by: Holmes on April 12, 2016, 11:34:09 AM
If that helps you sleep at night.


Title: Re: CT - Emerson: Trump +24, Clinton +6
Post by: Shadows on April 12, 2016, 11:36:22 AM
If that helps you sleep at night.

It is the truth which most literate people would accept. I am yet to see crosstabs or breakups but Emerson giving +6 to Clinton 14 days before a poll is usually very strong news for Sanders


Title: Re: CT - Emerson: Trump +24, Clinton +6
Post by: Lief 🗽 on April 12, 2016, 11:37:21 AM
Clinton will win CT easily. Strong demographics for her, closed primary.


Title: Re: CT - Emerson: Trump +24, Clinton +6
Post by: Holmes on April 12, 2016, 11:40:37 AM
I mean, for all the sh**t it gets, wasn't Emerson the most accurate in Wisconsin? And Lief is right, it's closed, going to be 20%+ non-white, and 65%+ over the age of 45. And Sanders is sh**tting the bed with the gun issue right now. But because it's in New England, it all leads to a comfortable single digit win for Clinton.


Title: Re: CT - Emerson: Trump +24, Clinton +6
Post by: Wiz in Wis on April 12, 2016, 11:44:24 AM
I mean, for all the sh**t it gets, wasn't Emerson the most accurate in Wisconsin? And Lief is right, it's closed, going to be 20%+ non-white, and 65%+ over the age of 45. And Sanders is sh**tting the bed with the gun issue right now. But because it's in New England, it all leads to a comfortable single digit win for Clinton.

It's amazing how, aside from Michigan, the polling and the demographics almost always predict the right winner, and the margin, within a few points. Bernie fans expecting a double digit win in CT are deluded.


Title: Re: CT - Emerson: Trump +24, Clinton +6
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on April 12, 2016, 11:48:26 AM
I mean, for all the sh**t it gets, wasn't Emerson the most accurate in Wisconsin? And Lief is right, it's closed, going to be 20%+ non-white, and 65%+ over the age of 45. And Sanders is sh**tting the bed with the gun issue right now. But because it's in New England, it all leads to a comfortable single digit win for Clinton.

It's amazing how, aside from Michigan, the polling and the demographics almost always predict the right winner, and the margin, within a few points. Bernie fans expecting a double digit win in CT are deluded.

Demographics have been even more accurate than polling. Even in Michigan most demographic models were predicting a modest Sanders lead.


Title: Re: CT - Emerson: Trump +24, Clinton +6
Post by: Holmes on April 12, 2016, 11:49:36 AM
I mean, for all the sh**t it gets, wasn't Emerson the most accurate in Wisconsin? And Lief is right, it's closed, going to be 20%+ non-white, and 65%+ over the age of 45. And Sanders is sh**tting the bed with the gun issue right now. But because it's in New England, it all leads to a comfortable single digit win for Clinton.

It's amazing how, aside from Michigan, the polling and the demographics almost always predict the right winner, and the margin, within a few points. Bernie fans expecting a double digit win in CT are deluded.

Demographics have been even more accurate than polling. Even in Michigan most demographic models were predicting a modest Sanders lead.

Do you have any links to these models? I'd like to see what they were based on because Michigan hadn't had a competitive Democratic primary in a long time.


Title: Re: CT - Emerson: Trump +24, Clinton +6
Post by: Lief 🗽 on April 12, 2016, 11:55:25 AM
I think that Benchmark Politics blog had MI at basically a tie, despite the polls showing Clinton +20.


Title: Re: CT - Emerson: Trump +24, Clinton +6
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on April 12, 2016, 12:02:34 PM
I think that Benchmark Politics blog had MI at basically a tie, despite the polls showing Clinton +20.

And Nate Silver's model was Sanders +4, IIRC.


Title: Re: CT - Emerson: Trump +24, Clinton +6
Post by: ProgressiveCanadian on April 12, 2016, 01:02:03 PM
Pretty good for Sanders from an Emerson poll. Ads are just starting to run for him in the state.


Title: Re: CT - Emerson: Trump +24, Clinton +6
Post by: DemPGH on April 12, 2016, 01:51:51 PM
Wow, Cruz just continues to be stunningly weak.


Title: Re: CT - Emerson: Trump +24, Clinton +6
Post by: Likely Voter on April 12, 2016, 02:03:04 PM
Wow, Cruz just continues to be stunningly weak.

For the rest of April, Kasich is Ted Cruz's best friend.  But when IN primary comes, it will be back to "a vote for Kasich is a vote for Trump, Hillary, Putin, and Hitler"


Title: Re: CT - Emerson: Trump +24, Clinton +6
Post by: Xing on April 12, 2016, 02:06:43 PM
ITT: Clinton hacks trash another poster for suggesting this poll might be biased toward Clinton based on flimsy evidence, and then go on to assert that it's biased toward Sanders, based on flimsy evidence.


Title: Re: CT - Emerson: Trump +24, Clinton +6
Post by: Sorenroy on April 12, 2016, 02:11:36 PM
I think this poll has some major issues. The easiest one I can see is that Sanders leads Clinton 58-39 among voters age 18-24. I can't think of any state that has had that small of a divide (correct me if I'm wrong. Also, while CT is a closed primary, it does have same-day registration. Also this:

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When Independents and Republican voters in the polling sample who expressed support for Sanders were added to the Democratic primary numbers, Sanders closed the current 6-point gap with Clinton to 1 point (47% to 46%). This suggests that if Sanders can persuade his non-Democratic supporters in Connecticut to reregister as Democrats, he could pull off a win without relying on a last-minute swing by younger registered Democrats.

Edit: also, this finds a Kasich win in the general of the state, and it has the largest favorabilities for Sanders (+60 to +32 for Clinton).


Title: Re: CT - Emerson: Trump +24, Clinton +6
Post by: Holmes on April 12, 2016, 02:13:09 PM
ITT: Clinton hacks trash another poster for suggesting this poll might be biased toward Clinton based on flimsy evidence, and then go on to assert that it's biased toward Sanders, based on flimsy evidence.

This happened?


Title: Re: CT - Emerson: Trump +24, Clinton +6
Post by: Boston Bread on April 12, 2016, 02:14:52 PM
I think this poll has some major issues. The easiest one I can see is that Sanders leads Clinton 58-39 among voters age 18-24. I can't think of any state that has had that small of a divide (correct me if I'm wrong. Also, while CT is a closed primary, it does have same-day registration.
Here's the under 30 vote for states with exit polls (WI was >80% Sanders)
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Title: Re: CT - Emerson: Trump +24, Clinton +6
Post by: Xing on April 12, 2016, 02:27:32 PM
ITT: Clinton hacks trash another poster for suggesting this poll might be biased toward Clinton based on flimsy evidence, and then go on to assert that it's biased toward Sanders, based on flimsy evidence.

This happened?

Closed primary = always bad for Sanders, exaggerating demographic advantage for Clinton, etc.


Title: Re: CT - Emerson: Trump +24, Clinton +6
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on April 12, 2016, 02:36:04 PM
ITT: Clinton hacks trash another poster for suggesting this poll might be biased toward Clinton based on flimsy evidence, and then go on to assert that it's biased toward Sanders, based on flimsy evidence.

This happened?

Closed primary = always bad for Sanders, exaggerating demographic advantage for Clinton, etc.

Well, that's a fact. Except when the primary is full of conservative Dixiecrats who vote Sanders only because they want to stick it to Obama.


Title: Re: CT - Emerson: Trump +24, Clinton +6
Post by: standwrand on April 12, 2016, 02:50:07 PM
Does CT have a winner take all threshold for the at large delegates on the GOP side?


Title: Re: CT - Emerson: Trump +24, Clinton +6
Post by: Xing on April 12, 2016, 02:56:55 PM
ITT: Clinton hacks trash another poster for suggesting this poll might be biased toward Clinton based on flimsy evidence, and then go on to assert that it's biased toward Sanders, based on flimsy evidence.

This happened?

Closed primary = always bad for Sanders, exaggerating demographic advantage for Clinton, etc.

Well, that's a fact. Except when the primary is full of conservative Dixiecrats who vote Sanders only because they want to stick it to Obama.

So the evidence is the Southern primaries, and Oklahoma doesn't count? That doesn't really give us much basis to predict the NE contests, and it certainly isn't what I would consider solid evidence for predicting that Clinton will significantly beat her poll numbers.


Title: Re: CT - Emerson: Trump +24, Clinton +6
Post by: Erc on April 12, 2016, 02:58:37 PM
50% WTA trigger for the At-Large delegates, proportional with 20% threshold otherwise.  CD delegates are WTA (no trigger).

If Trump were to sweep the state, that's a 10-delegate haul over my projections for Trump; that's nothing to sneeze at.

Even if he doesn't, winning all 5 CDs and shutting Cruz out of delegates would still be a good night for him.



Title: Re: CT - Emerson: Trump +24, Clinton +6
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on April 12, 2016, 03:04:17 PM
ITT: Clinton hacks trash another poster for suggesting this poll might be biased toward Clinton based on flimsy evidence, and then go on to assert that it's biased toward Sanders, based on flimsy evidence.

This happened?

Closed primary = always bad for Sanders, exaggerating demographic advantage for Clinton, etc.

Well, that's a fact. Except when the primary is full of conservative Dixiecrats who vote Sanders only because they want to stick it to Obama.

So the evidence is the Southern primaries, and Oklahoma doesn't count? That doesn't really give us much basis to predict the NE contests, and it certainly isn't what I would consider solid evidence for predicting that Clinton will significantly beat her poll numbers.

Arizona was closed too.


Title: Re: CT - Emerson: Trump +24, Clinton +6
Post by: Xing on April 12, 2016, 03:16:36 PM
ITT: Clinton hacks trash another poster for suggesting this poll might be biased toward Clinton based on flimsy evidence, and then go on to assert that it's biased toward Sanders, based on flimsy evidence.

This happened?

Closed primary = always bad for Sanders, exaggerating demographic advantage for Clinton, etc.

Well, that's a fact. Except when the primary is full of conservative Dixiecrats who vote Sanders only because they want to stick it to Obama.

So the evidence is the Southern primaries, and Oklahoma doesn't count? That doesn't really give us much basis to predict the NE contests, and it certainly isn't what I would consider solid evidence for predicting that Clinton will significantly beat her poll numbers.

Arizona was closed too.

That's true, although Clinton actually slightly underperformed her polls there. Note that I'm not saying that I think Sanders will win CT, I just don't think that the fact that it's a closed primary means that Clinton will overperform her polls. Let's see what happens in NY.


Title: Re: CT - Emerson: Trump +24, Clinton +6
Post by: Boston Bread on April 12, 2016, 03:48:15 PM
I guess a Sanders win here is possible after all.


Title: Re: CT - Emerson: Trump +24, Clinton +6
Post by: Holmes on April 12, 2016, 04:09:53 PM
ITT: Clinton hacks trash another poster for suggesting this poll might be biased toward Clinton based on flimsy evidence, and then go on to assert that it's biased toward Sanders, based on flimsy evidence.

This happened?

Closed primary = always bad for Sanders, exaggerating demographic advantage for Clinton, etc.

But no one said the poll is biased towards Sanders.


Title: Re: CT - Emerson: Trump +24, Clinton +6
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on April 12, 2016, 04:22:11 PM

That's true, although Clinton actually slightly underperformed her polls there.

Nope. There were no polls before the primary, at least from any reputable firm.


Title: Re: CT - Emerson: Trump +24, Clinton +6
Post by: Oakvale on April 12, 2016, 04:27:26 PM
The reason people think a closed primary is better for Clinton is because she pretty consistently dominates with Democrats as opposed to Independents (not counting racists who are still registered Dems but always vote Republican). It's not complicated.


Title: Re: CT - Emerson: Trump +24, Clinton +6
Post by: Maxwell on April 12, 2016, 04:31:12 PM
Man if that's Trumps numbers in Connecticut, I can't wait til Rhode Island - he may cross 60% over there!


Title: Re: CT - Emerson: Trump +24, Clinton +6
Post by: Shadows on April 12, 2016, 09:14:02 PM
I mean, for all the sh**t it gets, wasn't Emerson the most accurate in Wisconsin? And Lief is right, it's closed, going to be 20%+ non-white, and 65%+ over the age of 45. And Sanders is sh**tting the bed with the gun issue right now. But because it's in New England, it all leads to a comfortable single digit win for Clinton.

You Clinton hacks would do anything to get your point of view - Like Clinton lies are a very convenient opinion for you. And that sh**ting the bed is subjective, I think Clinton is sh**ting her bed with stupid opinions of guns.

Anyways, in WI, Emerson had Clinton winning by 6 points according to a thread posted in this forum.

And Sanders won by 13-14% points. Emerson has been biased & Bernie makes up numbers as time goes on in states he heavily competes. If Clinton is +6 now with Emerson, CT would be competitive