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Title: Labour anti-semitism megathread.
Post by: afleitch on April 28, 2016, 09:04:48 am
We might need this :(


Title: Re: Labour anti-semitism megathread.
Post by: Corbyn is a Strasserist on April 28, 2016, 09:10:08 am
At this point, I think denial has run its course. The next step is Corbyn embracing the mantle of proud anti-semitic defender of the common people, like radicals do.


Title: Re: Labour anti-semitism megathread.
Post by: 🅰 🦀 @k 🎂 on April 28, 2016, 10:10:44 am
Ken suspended. :)


Title: Re: Labour anti-semitism megathread.
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on April 28, 2016, 11:04:26 am
David Ward was an endorsed LibDem candidate at the last General Election (despite devoting much of his time as an MP to rants about 'The Jews' - his preferred term) but I don't recall that being part of a media narrative about 'LibDem antisemitism'.

Mind you racism always looks worse when its on the Left (You Should Know Better) and so complaining about it getting attention is not a good look, but nevertheless...


Title: Re: Labour anti-semitism megathread.
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on April 28, 2016, 11:05:56 am

And before that happened was thrown under the proverbial bus by Jon Lansman (who's the backroom fixer for the Hard Left) who even went so far as to call time on his career...


Title: Re: Labour anti-semitism megathread.
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on April 28, 2016, 11:11:48 am
It's also the case, btw, that some of the (overwhelmingly Pakistani Muslim) councillors whose social media accounts have been shown to contain interesting remarks over the past few months have previously been members of other parties.


Title: Re: Labour anti-semitism megathread.
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on April 28, 2016, 11:26:10 am
And it is *also* the case that the media management has been beyond terrible: the disciplinary process has actually kicked in extremely quickly (even against Livingstone who is a member of the National Executive) exactly as you would hope it would, but the impression of inaction lingers. I.e. Milne needs to be fired.


Title: Re: Labour anti-semitism megathread.
Post by: 🅰 🦀 @k 🎂 on April 28, 2016, 12:05:38 pm
Tbh I think Mann was a bit unprofessional in his attempts to get a frontpage billing.

I think the best thing for Livingstone would be to play the sympathy card and claim he was drunk, and finally admit his  obvious drinking problem.



Title: Re: Labour anti-semitism megathread.
Post by: Comrade Funk on April 28, 2016, 12:12:45 pm
Hitler was a Zionist? Had an odd way of showing it.

Sadiq Khan is really showing himself to be one of the better leaders in the UK. Good man. Hope he wins.


Title: Re: Labour anti-semitism megathread.
Post by: Hnv1 on April 28, 2016, 12:49:30 pm
I agree that LibDems have a bigger anti-semitism problem than Labour. But the situation at Labour student groups is grim and I guess the future is bleak


Title: Re: Labour anti-semitism megathread.
Post by: Silent Hunter on April 28, 2016, 01:20:43 pm
Livingstone needs to be expelled over this. If not, I'm leaving the party.


Title: Re: Labour anti-semitism megathread.
Post by: Derpist on April 28, 2016, 01:41:29 pm
Labour proceeds at its own peril. Kicking out Ken Livingstone didn't work the last time. Outside of the media echo chamber, his comments are perfectly inoffensive (albeit probably wrong).

If Corbyn fails or retires, Livingstone is now perfectly positioned to engage in a hostile takeover of an increasingly Muslim Labour.


Title: Re: Labour anti-semitism megathread.
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on April 28, 2016, 01:49:15 pm
If Corbyn fails or retires, Livingstone is now perfectly positioned to engage in a hostile takeover of an increasingly Muslim Labour.

Have you been drinking in similar quantities to Livingstone or...?


Title: Re: Labour anti-semitism megathread.
Post by: Hugo Award nominee on April 28, 2016, 01:52:03 pm
If Corbyn fails or retires, Livingstone is now perfectly positioned to engage in a hostile takeover of an increasingly Muslim Labour.

Have you been drinking in similar quantities to Livingstone or...?

He thinks the Pope might be the antichrist because he (Francis) is not an alt-right racist. I'm pretty sure this is him sober.


Title: Re: Labour anti-semitism megathread.
Post by: Derpist on April 28, 2016, 02:08:24 pm
If Corbyn fails or retires, Livingstone is now perfectly positioned to engage in a hostile takeover of an increasingly Muslim Labour.

Have you been drinking in similar quantities to Livingstone or...?

He thinks the Pope might be the antichrist because he (Francis) is not an alt-right racist. I'm pretty sure this is him sober.

You seem a little riled up. I can use a more PC term (whore of Babylon?)

Though seriously speaking, it's stuff like that which makes me both like evangelicals and severely question their theology.


Title: Re: Labour anti-semitism megathread.
Post by: Justice Blair on April 28, 2016, 02:11:44 pm
Labour proceeds at its own peril. Kicking out Ken Livingstone didn't work the last time. Outside of the media echo chamber, his comments are perfectly inoffensive (albeit probably wrong).

If Corbyn fails or retires, Livingstone is now perfectly positioned to engage in a hostile takeover of an increasingly Muslim Labour.

What? Ken has as much chance as Dianne Abbott (see 2015 mayoral primary)

 If you want to win a Labour leadership race you need to win London, which is largely made up of white public sector workers (in my own experience of the party)


Title: Re: Labour anti-semitism megathread.
Post by: Hugo Award nominee on April 28, 2016, 02:16:00 pm
If Corbyn fails or retires, Livingstone is now perfectly positioned to engage in a hostile takeover of an increasingly Muslim Labour.

Have you been drinking in similar quantities to Livingstone or...?

He thinks the Pope might be the antichrist because he (Francis) is not an alt-right racist. I'm pretty sure this is him sober.

You seem a little riled up. I can use a more PC term (whore of Babylon?)

Though seriously speaking, it's stuff like that which makes me both like evangelicals and severely question their theology.

1. No no no, see, the canard is that the Pope is the antichrist and the Church as an institution is the whore of Babylon. Get it right.
2. Fuck you, fascist.


Title: Re: Labour anti-semitism megathread.
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on April 28, 2016, 02:16:11 pm
It is indeed a well known fact that 90% of Labour members are teachers or retired teachers.


Title: Re: Labour anti-semitism megathread.
Post by: Eli Gorbinsky on April 28, 2016, 02:21:16 pm
If Corbyn fails or retires, Livingstone is now perfectly positioned to engage in a hostile takeover of an increasingly Muslim Labour.

Thank you for yet another example of your intellectual capacity of a squashed apricot.


Title: Re: Labour anti-semitism megathread.
Post by: Derpist on April 28, 2016, 02:27:28 pm
Labour proceeds at its own peril. Kicking out Ken Livingstone didn't work the last time. Outside of the media echo chamber, his comments are perfectly inoffensive (albeit probably wrong).

If Corbyn fails or retires, Livingstone is now perfectly positioned to engage in a hostile takeover of an increasingly Muslim Labour.

What? Ken has as much chance as Dianne Abbott (see 2015 mayoral primary)

 If you want to win a Labour leadership race you need to win London, which is largely made up of white public sector workers (in my own experience of the party)

I am aware of that but correct me if I'm wrong, but I would think being the last successful left-wing mayor of London would be a boost among that crowd - unless Livingstone left office despised by the public sector workers too


Title: Re: Labour anti-semitism megathread.
Post by: MaxQue on April 28, 2016, 02:57:45 pm
If Corbyn fails or retires, Livingstone is now perfectly positioned to engage in a hostile takeover of an increasingly Muslim Labour.

Have you been drinking in similar quantities to Livingstone or...?

Sib, that's a troll. Troll, that's Sibboleth.


Title: Re: Labour anti-semitism megathread.
Post by: The Last Northerner on April 29, 2016, 12:34:19 am
Also, does it suprise anyone how much David Ward looks like Chuck Hagel? I think AIPAC mistakenly went after the wrong guy with that filibuster.

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Title: Re: Labour anti-semitism megathread.
Post by: Famous Mortimer on April 29, 2016, 12:48:18 am
I don't think Naz Shah's comments were anti-Semitic. They were stupid, but not anti-Semitic.

I think rather than having her issue an insincere apology, I would like to hear her actually defend her position.

Why does she think it's alright to force millions of Israelis to leave the land they were born in? What does she think about right-wing Israelis like Moshe Feiglin who want to pay Arabs to leave Israel and the territories? Obviously she doesn't agree with them, but does she recognize that as a valid non-racist viewpoint, since it's so close to her own?

I think asking these questions publicly would lead to a more sincerely apology. As it stands, people who hold her stupid views can just go on believing them, believing they were silenced by phony outrage, rather than having to actually confront how dumb they are.


Title: Re: Labour anti-semitism megathread.
Post by: ingemann on April 29, 2016, 09:02:00 am
I don't think Naz Shah's comments were anti-Semitic. They were stupid, but not anti-Semitic.

I think rather than having her issue an insincere apology, I would like to hear her actually defend her position.

Why does she think it's alright to force millions of Israelis to leave the land they were born in? What does she think about right-wing Israelis like Moshe Feiglin who want to pay Arabs to leave Israel and the territories? Obviously she doesn't agree with them, but does she recognize that as a valid non-racist viewpoint, since it's so close to her own?

I think asking these questions publicly would lead to a more sincerely apology. As it stands, people who hold her stupid views can just go on believing them, believing they were silenced by phony outrage, rather than having to actually confront how dumb they are.

You're a very person, who truly believe the best of people.



Title: Re: Labour anti-semitism megathread.
Post by: rob in cal on April 29, 2016, 10:47:18 am
    Concerning Hitler and the Zionists there is a very intriguing book on the subject, Zionism in the age of the Dictators which goes into the various ties and negotiations between the Zionists and the Nazi regime. Also Francis Nicosia's Zionism and anti-Semitism in Nazi Germany is very enlightening. Through the 1930's the Hitler regime was hoping to expel the German Jews, and British run Palestine was one option.  The Nazis did fear that once the Jewish population there was strong enough to have its own state and a League of Nations membership it would be a pain in the neck, and that a Jewish run state would be a source of untold mischief.  However, in spite of those concerns, the Hitler regime cooperated with Zionists agencies to the extent that about 40,000 German and Austrian Jews did reach Palestine.


Title: Re: Labour anti-semitism megathread.
Post by: Hnv1 on April 29, 2016, 12:07:10 pm
    Concerning Hitler and the Zionists there is a very intriguing book on the subject, Zionism in the age of the Dictators which goes into the various ties and negotiations between the Zionists and the Nazi regime. Also Francis Nicosia's Zionism and anti-Semitism in Nazi Germany is very enlightening. Through the 1930's the Hitler regime was hoping to expel the German Jews, and British run Palestine was one option.  The Nazis did fear that once the Jewish population there was strong enough to have its own state and a League of Nations membership it would be a pain in the neck, and that a Jewish run state would be a source of untold mischief.  However, in spite of those concerns, the Hitler regime cooperated with Zionists agencies to the extent that about 40,000 German and Austrian Jews did reach Palestine.
They let those 40,000 to go after they took all their wealth and assets and more wealth from the Zionist Congress, and in the point of time in the mid 30's it may have been not the preferred option but it was essential to get them out of Germany, afterwards there was a complete ban on Germany that lasted until the mid 50's (bar for the miniaturist Stern gang).

Anyway disregarding the historic complexities I don't think drunk Ken cares much for that or is very interested in mid 30's history, or Galloway with his "historic facts"