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Title: NM - BWD Global: Clinton +25
Post by: Fusionmunster on June 03, 2016, 10:06:31 AM
https://www.scribd.com/doc/314323239/DEM-PREZ-MEMO-pdf
(I hate giving a scribd link but its all I can find)
New Mexico Dem Primary LV:
Clinton - 53.3%
Sanders - 27.6%
Undecideds - 19.0%



Title: Re: NM - BWD Global: Clinton +25
Post by: IceSpear on June 03, 2016, 10:14:55 AM
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Ideology
 
Clinton leads all 4 groups:
 
Progressives: Hillary is ahead 51%-36% with 13% undecided.
 
Liberals: Clinton leads 70%-25% with 5% undecided.
 
Moderates: Clinton is ahead 57%-29% with 14% undecided.
 
Conservatives: Clinton leads 43%-33% with 24% undecided.

This is pretty funny. Bernie doing best among conservatives and worst among liberals, but respectably among progressives. I wonder what makes Bernie supporters so much more inclined to identify as progressive rather than liberal. Is it in age thing?


Title: Re: NM - BWD Global: Clinton +25
Post by: King on June 03, 2016, 10:27:25 AM
unless I just happen to know every Sanders support in the state personally, this is junk. not going to be this lopside.


Title: Re: NM - BWD Global: Clinton +25
Post by: A Perez on June 03, 2016, 10:37:28 AM
Land-line only.
Junk poll.


Title: Re: NM - BWD Global: Clinton +25
Post by: IceSpear on June 03, 2016, 10:40:57 AM
unless I just happen to know every Sanders support in the state personally, this is junk. not going to be this lopside.

Let's not go down this route. "Everyone I know voted for Bernie!1!!" is how Reddit justifies their fraud accusations. If PA was based on who I knew, Bernie would've won by 50 points. His supporters are more vocal and also more likely to spread their opinion far and wide through technology.

That said, I do agree she's not winning by 25. I think it'll be similar to AZ.


Title: Re: NM - BWD Global: Clinton +25
Post by: Xing on June 03, 2016, 11:03:52 AM
lol, Bernie losing among progressives. Clinton should easily win here, but not by this much.


Title: Re: NM - BWD Global: Clinton +25
Post by: Lief 🗽 on June 03, 2016, 11:14:58 AM
Nice. Gonna make a lot of money shorting the New Mexico margin >15 market on PredictIt after this one!


Title: Re: NM - BWD Global: Clinton +25
Post by: Angrie on June 03, 2016, 11:29:04 AM
Despicable lies! We all know that Bernie will win 95%-5%.


Title: Re: NM - BWD Global: Clinton +25
Post by: Eraserhead on June 03, 2016, 11:47:36 AM
Looks pretty junkified.


Title: Re: NM - BWD Global: Clinton +25
Post by: Fusionmunster on June 03, 2016, 02:08:20 PM
Clinton leads 61%-21% among Hispanics. Could NM be his worst state on Tuesday?

No, its probably going be NJ.


Title: Re: NM - BWD Global: Clinton +25
Post by: mds32 on June 03, 2016, 03:20:53 PM
No way will she win by that much in New Mexico.


Title: Re: NM - BWD Global: Clinton +25
Post by: NOVA Green on June 03, 2016, 06:34:36 PM
The margins seem to be extremely sketchy, I can't see New Mexico going for Hillary by significantly larger margins than Arizona, and quite likely could be significantly closer, considering much lower percentage of 65+ voters and much higher proportion of voters <35 in a primary where generational divide is most regions of the country has been an even larger factor than ethnicity/income.

It is easy to look at the "% of Latinos" in a given state and then automatically start to assign a % of the vote to candidate X or Candidate Y, however the reality is that in New Mexico almost 10% of the population identifies as "Spanish" in origin, with hundreds of years of roots in the region, and there is even a separate Castilian Spanish dialect at home, so there really isn't any reasonable comparison that one could make based upon similar counties/regions, etc...

Now, one item that could prove interesting is the Native American vote in a state where 10% of the population is Native American.... No idea how this will play out in NM, but it is worth noting that Hillary exceeded her statewide averages in Navajo and Apacha counties in NM, which also include the Navajo, Apache, and Hopi Nations. Although we don't have tons of data to look at regarding the Native Nations (MT and SD have yet to vote on Tuesday) Bernie looks to have won the Ojibwe/Chippewa in the Upper-Midwest, as well as indigenous communities in Alaska, and although we don't have much precinct level data from Oregon, quite possibly Warm Springs and people of Native background in Klamath County, Oregon.

Point being, New Mexico is a state that is so fundamentally different demographically from anywhere else in the United States, that I think unless there is another poll or two coming down before Tuesday, no one has any idea how this will all shake down.









Title: Re: NM - BWD Global: Clinton +25
Post by: Eraserhead on June 08, 2016, 12:50:58 AM
Epic fail.


Title: Re: NM - BWD Global: Clinton +25
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on June 08, 2016, 02:13:27 AM

I never bought this as a big win - this was one state where age beat out race in 2008, and while I didn't expect this narrow a result, these predictions of 15%+ blowouts were kind of baseless.


Title: Re: NM - BWD Global: Clinton +25
Post by: Xing on June 08, 2016, 02:41:10 AM
This was really the anomaly of the night. I guess age really made the difference.


Title: Re: NM - BWD Global: Clinton +25
Post by: Holmes on June 08, 2016, 03:24:02 AM
This was really the anomaly of the night. I guess age really made the difference.

Mhmm. She really outperformed everywhere but here, which is really interesting considering it's closed and heavily Hispanic. Ah well.


Title: Re: NM - BWD Global: Clinton +25
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on June 08, 2016, 04:03:33 AM
Unfortunately without exit polls we will never know what happened.


Title: Re: NM - BWD Global: Clinton +25
Post by: IceSpear on June 08, 2016, 09:47:34 AM
NM was...quite a surprise considering how the rest of the night went. If you would've told me yesterday that she'd win SD, possibly win CA by double digits, win NJ by nearly 30, and keep MT within single digits, I'd have guessed NM was a 20+ point blowout.


Title: Re: NM - BWD Global: Clinton +25
Post by: Holmes on June 08, 2016, 09:53:49 AM
Unfortunately without exit polls we will never know what happened.

Really sad. I would love to see some California exit polling too.


Title: Re: NM - BWD Global: Clinton +25
Post by: Boston Bread on June 08, 2016, 09:58:24 AM
NM was the NC of last Tuesday.


Title: Re: NM - BWD Global: Clinton +25
Post by: Tender Branson on June 08, 2016, 12:12:12 PM
Amazing job, BWD Global ...


Title: Re: NM - BWD Global: Clinton +25
Post by: Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon on June 08, 2016, 12:32:06 PM


Title: Re: NM - BWD Global: Clinton +25
Post by: Eraserhead on June 09, 2016, 09:51:00 AM
This was really the anomaly of the night. I guess age really made the difference.

Mhmm. She really outperformed everywhere but here, which is really interesting considering it's closed and heavily Hispanic. Ah well.

Well everywhere but here and North Dakota anyway...


Title: Re: NM - BWD Global: Clinton +25
Post by: Holmes on June 09, 2016, 10:35:02 AM
I feel like Clinton did as expected in North Dakota. Sanders kind of underperformed, because 10% went uncommitted. I wonder why? Could the fact that it was an open primary and the Republicans didn't really hold a public contest (just a convention) lead some Republicans to attend the Democratic caucus and just vote for neither of the two? Sounds unlikely but you never know.


Title: Re: NM - BWD Global: Clinton +25
Post by: ElectionsGuy on June 09, 2016, 10:42:43 AM
Albuquerque surprised me. Is New Mexico the only state where a major urban area supported Sanders more than the rural and outstanding areas of the state?


Title: Re: NM - BWD Global: Clinton +25
Post by: Holmes on June 09, 2016, 10:54:55 AM
Albuquerque surprised me. Is New Mexico the only state where a major urban area supported Sanders more than the rural and outstanding areas of the state?

Oregon, perhaps? Lane county went more strongly to Sanders than Multnomah did of course, as did a few rural counties here and there, but the rest of the state was generally more pro-Clinton.


Title: Re: NM - BWD Global: Clinton +25
Post by: Oldiesfreak1854 on June 09, 2016, 11:18:58 AM
This is what you get for insulting Hispanics, Donald.


Title: Re: NM - BWD Global: Clinton +25
Post by: Eraserhead on June 09, 2016, 11:20:54 AM
I feel like Clinton did as expected in North Dakota. Sanders kind of underperformed, because 10% went uncommitted. I wonder why? Could the fact that it was an open primary and the Republicans didn't really hold a public contest (just a convention) lead some Republicans to attend the Democratic caucus and just vote for neither of the two? Sounds unlikely but you never know.

I don't know, I expected North Dakota to be a lot closer than it was. This was one of Hillary's best caucus states in 2008. Sanders ended up doing a lot better than Obama did (at least in terms of the MOV) which hasn't been the case in all that many states outside of New England and parts of Appalachia.


Title: Re: NM - BWD Global: Clinton +25
Post by: NOVA Green on June 09, 2016, 11:24:14 AM
Albuquerque surprised me. Is New Mexico the only state where a major urban area supported Sanders more than the rural and outstanding areas of the state?

Oregon, perhaps? Lane county went more strongly to Sanders than Multnomah did of course, as did a few rural counties here and there, but the rest of the state was generally more pro-Clinton.

Oregon would be about even between "major urban area" vs rest of state with the three counties of Metro Portland +13.6% Bernie and elsewhere +14.2% Bernie (Although Multnomah outperformed statewide results regardless). If we add Lane County to "major urban" it would flip the other way narrowly, although 25% of the County is basically small town and rural, so we would need to way until we get precinct level results.