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Title: The Orlando murders Post by: Curbstomp on June 13, 2016, 07:16:27 PM This might be interesting.
Title: Re: The Orlando murders Post by: LLR on June 13, 2016, 07:19:14 PM Gun control laws (sane, normal, etc.)
Title: Re: The Orlando murders Post by: Green Line on June 13, 2016, 07:20:29 PM Gun control laws (sane, normal, etc.) Even more than the killer himself? That's neither sane nor normal. Title: Re: The Orlando murders Post by: President of the great nation of 🏳️⚧️ on June 13, 2016, 07:21:23 PM The killer's own homophobia and loose gun control laws. Voted for the former.
Title: Re: The Orlando murders Post by: LLR on June 13, 2016, 07:22:54 PM Gun control laws (sane, normal, etc.) Even more than the killer himself? That's neither sane nor normal. Without a gun, he would've been weaponless. He would've been powerless. And all those people would be alive. Title: Re: The Orlando murders Post by: Pyro on June 13, 2016, 07:23:21 PM Unbalanced individual + Easy access to assault weapons = Yet another mass shooting.
Ongoing general dehumanization of LGBT led to his specific targeting of the nightclub. Title: Re: The Orlando murders Post by: Green Line on June 13, 2016, 07:23:38 PM Gun control laws (sane, normal, etc.) Even more than the killer himself? That's neither sane nor normal. Without a gun, he would've been weaponless. He would've been powerless. And all those people would be alive. Wow, wow, wow. This is pathetic. The KILLER is most to blame for KLLLING. Title: Re: The Orlando murders Post by: LLR on June 13, 2016, 07:24:29 PM Gun control laws (sane, normal, etc.) Even more than the killer himself? That's neither sane nor normal. Without a gun, he would've been weaponless. He would've been powerless. And all those people would be alive. Wow, wow, wow. This is pathetic. The KILLER is most to blame for KLLLING. A killer without a weapon is not a killer. Title: Re: The Orlando murders Post by: dax00 on June 13, 2016, 07:24:32 PM Write-in: religion as a whole.
Title: Re: The Orlando murders Post by: Green Line on June 13, 2016, 07:26:11 PM Gun control laws (sane, normal, etc.) Even more than the killer himself? That's neither sane nor normal. Without a gun, he would've been weaponless. He would've been powerless. And all those people would be alive. Wow, wow, wow. This is pathetic. The KILLER is most to blame for KLLLING. A killer without a weapon is not a killer. So if he killed someone with his hands... are his hands responsible more than himself? Seek help. Title: Re: The Orlando murders Post by: Beet on June 13, 2016, 07:26:17 PM Is this the ideal troll thread? The causes are intersectional.
Title: Re: The Orlando murders Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on June 13, 2016, 07:27:15 PM The shooter, as always, is the the responsible party. Even if there were factors that aided his derangement and made it easier for him to kill.
Title: Re: The Orlando murders Post by: Curbstomp on June 13, 2016, 07:28:59 PM Beet, if you think this is a troll thread, then please PM me why you think so and I will address your concerns.
Title: Re: The Orlando murders Post by: LLR on June 13, 2016, 07:29:03 PM Gun control laws (sane, normal, etc.) Even more than the killer himself? That's neither sane nor normal. Without a gun, he would've been weaponless. He would've been powerless. And all those people would be alive. Wow, wow, wow. This is pathetic. The KILLER is most to blame for KLLLING. A killer without a weapon is not a killer. So if he killed someone with his hands... are his hands responsible more than himself? Seek help. Except that he didn't. I agree that there are many factors at hand, and that it's not solely the guns' fault, but A) I think they're most at fault B) If we are to take anything away from this tragic event, it should be that ASSAULT WEAPONS MUST BE BANNED, BACKGROUND CHECKS MUST BE INSTITUTED, AND THE NSA SHOULD BE FORBIDDEN FROM MAKING CAMPAIGN DONATIONS. Title: Re: The Orlando murders Post by: The Other Castro on June 13, 2016, 07:37:06 PM Of course the killer is responsible. That being said, there is no way that he would have been able to murder as many people as he did with less lethal weapons.
Title: Re: The Orlando murders Post by: Meclazine for Israel on June 13, 2016, 07:39:29 PM https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=238718.0
Topic already created. Title: Re: The Orlando murders Post by: Rules for me, but not for thee on June 13, 2016, 07:39:45 PM Is this the ideal troll thread? The causes are intersectional. It's a droll thread for sure. Also the last option is either weirdly sarcastic or nonsensical. Title: Re: The Orlando murders Post by: LLR on June 13, 2016, 07:54:28 PM The killer is obviously most responsible, but a healthy dose of fundamentalist Islamism certainly didn't help. Ask the Tsarnaev brothers if you need a gun to kill a bunch of people. If other people there had been armed, he could have been stopped sooner. If "assault weapons" were banned, he would have used a pressure cooker. And lest you forget, he passed a background check and a full FBI investigation. Because bringing a gun to a nightclub (where, if your brain cant comprehend, people drink) is an amazing idea!! Title: Re: The Orlando murders Post by: Wells on June 13, 2016, 07:56:09 PM Mandatory background checks should exist, but the shooter did the shooting. He was also radicalized by the extreme parts of Islam. The third and fifth options are stupid because nobody thinks that way except for parodies of caricatures of liberals. There are multiple causes, voted for the one I think is the biggest.
Title: Re: The Orlando murders Post by: Curbstomp on June 13, 2016, 08:10:09 PM Regarding option 3, Trump was criticized by NBC and GMA today. As for option 5, it was far more likely to get votes than an option to blame Hillary/Obama.
Title: Re: The Orlando murders Post by: anthonyjg on June 13, 2016, 08:17:35 PM Mandatory background checks should exist, but the shooter did the shooting. He was also radicalized by the extreme parts of Islam. The third and fifth options are stupid because nobody thinks that way except for parodies of caricatures of liberals. There are multiple causes, voted for the one I think is the biggest. Title: Re: The Orlando murders Post by: Gabagool102 on June 13, 2016, 09:28:15 PM Of course the killer is responsible. That being said, there is no way that he would have been able to murder as many people as he did with less lethal weapons. He could of made a bomb, and killed alot more people than 50. Are you that dense? Title: Re: The Orlando murders Post by: Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself on June 13, 2016, 11:48:49 PM Write-in: religion as a whole. Title: Re: The Orlando murders Post by: Goldwater on June 14, 2016, 12:05:58 AM The killer (sane, normal, etc.)
Title: Re: The Orlando murders Post by: MK on June 14, 2016, 01:12:23 AM The killer(radical) is solely responsible and the Koran's command to murder gays.
Title: Re: The Orlando murders Post by: SWE on June 14, 2016, 09:36:33 AM According to his family, this guy has a history of violence and was never particularly religious. If radical Islam wasn't a thing, he'd likely just find something else to cling on to to justify this attack.
Title: Re: The Orlando murders Post by: Wake Me Up When The Hard Border Ends on June 14, 2016, 11:15:22 AM The killer (doesn't tar all Muslims with the same brush, plus supports gun rights).
Title: Re: The Orlando murders Post by: DINGO Joe on June 17, 2016, 10:25:42 AM The killer first and foremost, but pitiful gun laws enable him to kill more with less effort.
Title: Re: The Orlando murders Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on June 17, 2016, 04:36:05 PM The killer (sane, normal, etc.) Title: Re: The Orlando murders Post by: Associate Justice PiT on June 17, 2016, 06:32:16 PM Option 1. In civil society, we accept culpability for our own actions. We can point to encouraging or enabling factors, but he is ultimately the sole responsible party. He had the choice to respect human life and he instead chose to commit murder.
Title: Re: The Orlando murders Post by: windjammer on June 17, 2016, 08:14:50 PM Gun control laws for not being strict enough.
Title: Re: The Orlando murders Post by: Enduro on June 21, 2016, 01:19:55 PM Option 1. In civil society, we accept culpability for our own actions. We can point to encouraging or enabling factors, but he is ultimately the sole responsible party. He had the choice to respect human life and he instead chose to commit murder. Couldn't have said it better myself. Title: Re: The Orlando murders Post by: Human on July 02, 2016, 09:11:47 AM Options 1 and 4.
Title: Re: The Orlando murders Post by: Kingpoleon on July 08, 2016, 12:38:39 PM Gun control laws (sane, normal, etc.) Even more than the killer himself? That's neither sane nor normal. Without a gun, he would've been weaponless. He would've been powerless. And all those people would be alive. #Let'sBanKnives |