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Title: 1002 - Signed into Law Post by: Clark Kent on June 18, 2016, 02:08:11 PM Quote The Game Moderator Reform Act 1. The Office of Game Moderator shall hereby be created. 2. The Game Moderator, will be nominated by the President of Atlasia, and shall be confirmed by two thirds of the House of Representatives. 3. Upon confirmation, and swearing in, the Game Moderators duties will be maintaining a newspaper to update the citizens on events occurring to Atlasia, as well as provide unemployment numbers for the several regions and the nation. All events that are created by the Game Moderator is to be considered fact and cannot be challenged. 4. The Game Moderator holds the right to veto any story written in Atlasia, but does not limit the people's ability to write stories unless they contradict the Game Moderators. 5. No story the Game Moderator writes is valid if it kills an active citizen who is registered to vote in Atlasia without the consent of that player. Sponsors: Rep. DKrolga (L-MA) and Rep. Classic Conservative (F-TX) Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: DKrol on June 18, 2016, 02:16:24 PM There are several differences between the bill I introduced in the House Introduction thread and the one that Classic Conservative introduced in the Senate thread. I ask that they be treated as separate bills.
Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: Clark Kent on June 18, 2016, 02:20:26 PM There are several differences between the bill I introduced in the House Introduction thread and the one that Classic Conservative introduced in the Senate thread. I ask that they be treated as separate bills. However, after you posted this, Classic Conservative announced his intention to co-sponsor this one. I expect him to withdraw his other bill. Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: Unconditional Surrender Truman on June 18, 2016, 11:11:06 PM While I am not a member of this esteemed body, I thought I'd offer my thoughts anyways:
Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: DKrol on June 19, 2016, 07:30:15 AM Based on the thoughts of our esteemed colleague, I have amended the bill to read as follows:
Quote The Game Moderator Reform Act 1. The Office of Game Moderator shall hereby be created. 2. The Game Moderator, which is not a member of the cabinet and an autonomous official in the executive branch, shall be nominated by the President of Atlasia, and shall be confirmed by two thirds of the House of Representative, with the consent of a simple majority of the Senate. 3. Upon confirmation, and swearing in, the Game Moderators duties will be maintaining a newspaper to update the citizens on events occurring to Atlasia, as well as provide unemployment numbers for the several regions and the nation. 3a. The Game Moderator is charged with the following duties; 3a1: to simulate the effects of, and responses to, of the Republic of Atlasia, or of the Several Regions, both domestic and international; 3a2: to simulate the actions of foreign nations, and all characters no otherwise controlled by a registed player; 3a3: and to serve as the final arbitrator in all questions relating to the context in which the Republic of Atlasia exists. 4. The Game Moderator holds the right to publish all binding storyline decisions. No player-created storylines will be considered valid unless they are deemed so by the Game Moderator. 5. No story the Game Moderator writes is valid if it kills an active citizen who is registered to vote in Atlasia without the consent of that player. Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: / on June 19, 2016, 08:37:13 AM The GM should be a cabinet position confirmed by the Senate.
Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: Former Senator Haslam2020 on June 19, 2016, 10:05:50 AM I agree with this bill
Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: Clark Kent on June 23, 2016, 01:29:20 PM Is there any more debate to be had?
Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 23, 2016, 07:25:37 PM The GM should be a cabinet position confirmed by the Senate. Learned Nothing and Forgotten Everything!!! (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=199803.0) For EIGHT YEARS, the primary problem with the GM has been one of ensuring him the appropriate level of "independence" to create a dynamic and evolving game for the players. Aside from my polling (which is for purposes of convenience), the GM has never been considered a cabinet position. Under the previous two consitutions, it was structured as a semi-independent constitutional office, which was upheld in the case of Ebowed v. Atlasia (2006). Making the GM a cabinet position, and thus subject to the orders and subordination to the PResident, is indeed the worst possible way to structure it. Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 23, 2016, 07:38:27 PM Section 2 is arguably unconstitutional, depending on whether you consider the Game Moderatorship to be an "executive office." Per Article IV, Section 2 of the Constitution, the power to confirm presidential appointments lays with the Senate; while the Constitution is less clear on whether the Game Moderator specifically is considered a cabinet officer (this has historically been the case), I do not see the Constitutional argument for giving the House exclusive jurisdiction over nominations to the Game Engine. Not in the traditional sense, no. Hence the October 2014 crisis when DemPGH tried to fire the GM. It has also been structured differently or had the authority of the President limited, intentionally to preserve its independence. ARTICLE VI Section 1 (Game Engine)i. All powers which the Congress shall deem necessary and proper for simulating either the impact of actions by the Republic of Atlasia, the several Regions, or the citizens thereof; or the actions of non-playable entities, shall be vested in a Game Engine. ii. The Congress shall have the power to establish the structure and powers of the Game Engine by appropriate legislation. Also, this is a pretty broad grant of power here. I am not sure what the problem is. Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: Unconditional Surrender Truman on June 23, 2016, 07:52:49 PM There is no problem now, as the bill has been amended, but the nature of the Game Engine and its relationship to the cabinet needed to be addressed. The original version of Section 2 was ambiguous regarding the relationship between the Game Moderator and the cabinet - it did not state explicitly whether the GM was a glorified cabinet officer, or an independent entity. Because of the historical examples you mentioned, I thought it was best to be explicit about this.
As for my concerns with the House being the confirmative body, I have since reviewed Articles III and IV carefully, and it doesn't appear that this is strictly-speaking unconstitutional. Article IV gives the Senate the power to confirm presidential nominees for executive departments, but since this act states that the GM is not part of the executive branch, there appears to be no problem with vesting this power in the House. Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: / on June 23, 2016, 07:54:21 PM well w/e i guess
But what will the Senate have to say about not having a say in the confirmation of the GM? Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 23, 2016, 08:31:58 PM well w/e i guess But what will the Senate have to say about not having a say in the confirmation of the GM? I expect they will reject it, most likely. :P Whether or not you can do something is a seperate matter from whether or not you should obviously. Congress can give the house said authority, but the Senate has to go along obviously and the merits of giving the House this exclusive authority need to be weighed. On the one hand you have most confirmations done by the Senate exclusively, on the other hand, the GM is differnet all other appoint posts naturally. Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: Unconditional Surrender Truman on June 23, 2016, 09:49:43 PM well w/e i guess But what will the Senate have to say about not having a say in the confirmation of the GM? I expect they will reject it, most likely. :P Whether or not you can do something is a seperate matter from whether or not you should obviously. Congress can give the house said authority, but the Senate has to go along obviously and the merits of giving the House this exclusive authority need to be weighed. On the one hand you have most confirmations done by the Senate exclusively, on the other hand, the GM is differnet all other appoint posts naturally. Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: / on June 23, 2016, 10:07:33 PM So are we trying to pass something that we basically know won't actually become law?
because lol Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: DKrol on June 24, 2016, 07:36:14 AM So are we trying to pass something that we basically know won't actually become law? because lol I don't think that that's the case at all. Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: Blair on June 24, 2016, 11:03:56 AM The Senate should have a vote for the GM, at the very least. May I remain the members who are vocal about regional rights that the Senators represent the regions
Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: DKrol on June 24, 2016, 11:23:13 AM The Senate should have a vote for the GM, at the very least. May I remain the members who are vocal about regional rights that the Senators represent the regions Yet the Representatives represent the people. Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: Clark Kent on June 24, 2016, 11:44:07 AM The GM is supposed to be as impartial as possible, so I don't think it should be too politicized. Having the position go through both Houses increases that chance. I support having only the House confirm them.
Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: / on June 24, 2016, 12:12:41 PM The Senate should have a vote for the GM, at the very least. May I remain the members who are vocal about regional rights that the Senators represent the regions Yet the Representatives represent the people. And the Senators don't? Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: Clark Kent on June 25, 2016, 02:42:12 PM On second thought, I've changed my mind: the GM is supposed to be impartial and apolitical, and the Senate is generally more stable than the House, so having the Senate confirm the GM makes more sense.
Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: Unconditional Surrender Truman on June 25, 2016, 07:20:41 PM Y'all need to address whether (and how) the GM can be dismissed as well. I recommend allowing the President to remove the GM with the concurrence of 2/3 of the confirmative body.
Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: Clark Kent on June 27, 2016, 09:42:26 PM Mr. Truman is right. I will extend the period of debate for another 24 hours. I also propose an amendment addressing his concerns:
Quote The Game Moderator may be removed by the President and a two-thirds majority of both houses of Congress. It goes further than his suggestion, but this should make the GM a little harder to remove. Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: Unconditional Surrender Truman on June 28, 2016, 10:14:12 AM I'm in favor of Kent's amendment. The removal of the Game Moderator is not something that should be taken lightly, but it may be necessary in instances of neglect or direct sabotage, and it is therefore prudent to have a process in place.
Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: Clark Kent on June 29, 2016, 11:02:59 PM Seeing as how there has been no debate, we will now move to a 72-hour vote on my amendment. Representatives may vote AYE, NAY, or ABSTAIN.
Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: Former Senator Haslam2020 on June 30, 2016, 01:33:20 PM AYE!
Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: Classic Conservative on June 30, 2016, 02:03:13 PM Aye
Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: Clark Kent on June 30, 2016, 02:05:11 PM AYE
Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: SUSAN CRUSHBONE on July 01, 2016, 04:53:29 PM aye
Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: NeverAgain on July 01, 2016, 05:36:26 PM Aye.
Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: Clark Kent on July 01, 2016, 05:38:01 PM The bill now has enough votes to pass.
Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: / on July 01, 2016, 06:00:50 PM Nay
Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: DKrol on July 05, 2016, 09:45:54 AM Aye
Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: Former Senator Haslam2020 on July 05, 2016, 11:38:10 AM The vote is now closed.
Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: MyRescueKittehRocks on July 06, 2016, 01:12:54 PM For the record Aye
Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: Lumine on July 17, 2016, 07:51:04 PM Right, this passed the Senate with an amended version, so the House needs to vote on the current version:
Quote The Game Moderator Reform Act 1. The Office of Game Moderator shall hereby be created. 2. The Game Moderator, which is not a member of the cabinet and an autonomous official in the executive branch, shall be nominated by the President of Atlasia, and shall be confirmed by a simple majority of the Senate. 3. Upon confirmation, and swearing in, the Game Moderators duties will be maintaining a newspaper to update the citizens on events occurring to Atlasia, as well as provide unemployment numbers for the several regions and the nation. 3a. The Game Moderator is charged with the following duties; 3a1: to simulate the effects of, and responses to, of the Republic of Atlasia, or of the Several Regions, both domestic and international; 3a2: to simulate the actions of foreign nations, and all characters no otherwise controlled by a registed player; 3a3: and to serve as the final arbitrator in all questions relating to the context in which the Republic of Atlasia exists. 4. The Game Moderator holds the right to publish all binding storyline decisions. No player-created storylines will be considered valid unless they are deemed so by the Game Moderator. 5. All events that occurred before July 1, 2016, shall be considered valid and real. Any events that happen in real life will be considered valid unless otherwise specified by the Game Moderator. Events related to real life laws that are passed are not considered valid. 6. No story the Game Moderator writes is valid if it kills an active citizen who is registered to vote in Atlasia without the consent of that player. 7. The Game Moderator may be removed by the President and a two-thirds majority of both houses of Congress. Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: DKrol on July 18, 2016, 07:04:10 AM Aye
Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: Clark Kent on July 18, 2016, 11:09:28 AM Representatives have 72 hours to vote on the revised version. I will accept Rep. DKrol's vote.
AYE Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: SUSAN CRUSHBONE on July 18, 2016, 12:25:14 PM aye
Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: Classic Conservative on July 18, 2016, 12:29:13 PM Aye
Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: NeverAgain on July 18, 2016, 12:45:39 PM Aye!
Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: Clark Kent on July 18, 2016, 01:00:52 PM This bill now has enough votes to pass. Representatives still have 70 hours to add or change their vote.
Title: Re: House Bill 1002 - The Game Moderator Reform Act Post by: Clark Kent on July 21, 2016, 04:43:06 PM This bill has enough votes to pass. The vote is now closed.
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