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Title: Opinion of US Presidents Series: Abraham Lincoln through James A. Garfield Post by: TDAS04 on July 30, 2016, 01:27:49 PM Lincoln: The Greatest
Johnson: Terrible Grant: Massive FF Hayes: Mild FF Garfield: FF Prior FF Results George Washington: 81.8% John Adams: 55.8% Thomas Jefferson: 75% James Madison: 76.2% James Monroe: 72.7% John Quincy Adams: 76.4% Andrew Jackson 45.3% Martin Van Buren 70.4% William H. Harrison 51% John Tyler: 28.3% James K. Polk: 51.1% Zachary Taylor: 75.6% Millard Fillmore: 8.7% Franklin Pierce: 8.9% James Buchanan: 8.3% Title: Re: Opinion of US Presidents Series: Abraham Lincoln through James A. Garfield Post by: evergreenarbor on July 30, 2016, 01:48:04 PM All FF except Johnson, who's one of the worst presidents in history.
Title: Re: Opinion of US Presidents Series: Abraham Lincoln through James A. Garfield Post by: OSR stands with Israel on July 30, 2016, 02:30:12 PM since we are only looking at presidents only Lincoln is FF , while the rest were hp as the rest were medicore or worse
Title: Re: Opinion of US Presidents Series: Abraham Lincoln through James A. Garfield Post by: Kingpoleon on July 30, 2016, 04:45:43 PM All HP but Grant and Lincoln.
Title: Re: Opinion of US Presidents Series: Abraham Lincoln through James A. Garfield Post by: HisGrace on July 30, 2016, 11:48:51 PM Lincoln/Grant/Hays are FF's, Johnson is an HP, Garfield gets an incomplete.
Title: Re: Opinion of US Presidents Series: Abraham Lincoln through James A. Garfield Post by: Pyro on July 30, 2016, 11:59:52 PM Lincoln obvious strong FF.
Grant moderate FF. Hayes and Garfield mixed. Johnson obvious HP. Title: Re: Opinion of US Presidents Series: Abraham Lincoln through James A. Garfield Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on July 31, 2016, 12:57:03 AM All FF except Johnson, who's one of the worst presidents in history. Title: Re: Opinion of US Presidents Series: Abraham Lincoln through James A. Garfield Post by: President Johnson on July 31, 2016, 04:53:59 AM All FFs except Andy.
Title: Re: Opinion of US Presidents Series: Abraham Lincoln through James A. Garfield Post by: Intell on July 31, 2016, 06:23:30 AM Lincoln: Huge FF
Johnson: HP, but I do like his roots, and some aspects of his character Grant: A good president, and supporter of civil rights, FF. Hayes: HP, corrupt, don't see any positive light on his presidency. Garfield: Don't think he did a lot, lean HP. Title: Re: Opinion of US Presidents Series: Abraham Lincoln through James A. Garfield Post by: Ljube on July 31, 2016, 06:52:37 AM Lincoln HP
Johnson FF Grant HP Hayes FF Garfield FF Title: Re: Opinion of US Presidents Series: Abraham Lincoln through James A. Garfield Post by: RINO Tom on July 31, 2016, 10:50:56 AM Lincoln HP Johnson FF Grant HP Hayes FF Garfield FF Oh, I'd love to hear the reasoning behind this... Title: Re: Opinion of US Presidents Series: Abraham Lincoln through James A. Garfield Post by: SUSAN CRUSHBONE on July 31, 2016, 10:56:38 AM Lincoln HP Johnson FF Grant HP Hayes FF Garfield FF Oh, I'd love to hear the reasoning behind this... case closed Title: Re: Opinion of US Presidents Series: Abraham Lincoln through James A. Garfield Post by: GMantis on July 31, 2016, 02:34:56 PM Lincoln and Grant are obviously freedom fighters.
Garfield wasn't president long enough for an informed decision, but his record before that classifies him as FF. Johnson is an HP for his effort to subvert reconstruction as well as for general incompetence.\ Hayes is an HP for making a corrupt bargain. Title: Re: Opinion of US Presidents Series: Abraham Lincoln through James A. Garfield Post by: Californiadreaming on July 31, 2016, 02:34:59 PM All FF except Johnson, who's one of the worst presidents in history. Title: Re: Opinion of US Presidents Series: Abraham Lincoln through James A. Garfield Post by: TDAS04 on August 01, 2016, 11:49:53 AM Bump
Title: Re: Opinion of US Presidents Series: Abraham Lincoln through James A. Garfield Post by: SWE on August 01, 2016, 11:56:52 AM How does Hayes, the guy who let the Klan completely take over the south and who murdered striking workers, have a positive rating? What redeeming qualities does he have that people are basing their FF votes on? Genuinely curious.
Title: Re: Opinion of US Presidents Series: Abraham Lincoln through James A. Garfield Post by: RINO Tom on August 01, 2016, 12:19:49 PM How does Hayes, the guy who let the Klan completely take over the south and who murdered striking workers, have a positive rating? What redeeming qualities does he have that people are basing their FF votes on? Genuinely curious. Me too, but how can you possibly actually believe that Grant's GOP was this leftist party as you've insinuated in the past, and the magically the next decade was everything wrong with American conservatism? Things simply don't shift that quickly. Also, Ljube, I'd still absolutely LOVE to hear why Andrew Johnson was a better President than Abraham Lincoln, LOL. Title: Re: Opinion of US Presidents Series: Abraham Lincoln through James A. Garfield Post by: HisGrace on August 01, 2016, 04:38:59 PM The exact same number of people have Johnson as an FF who have Lincoln as an HP. Coincidence?
Title: Re: Opinion of US Presidents Series: Abraham Lincoln through James A. Garfield Post by: Anti-Bothsidesism on August 01, 2016, 04:44:52 PM All FF except Johnson, who's one of the worst presidents in history. Title: Re: Opinion of US Presidents Series: Abraham Lincoln through James A. Garfield Post by: Clark Kent on August 01, 2016, 04:47:02 PM All FF except Johnson, who's one of the worst presidents in history. Title: Re: Opinion of US Presidents Series: Abraham Lincoln through James A. Garfield Post by: Intell on August 02, 2016, 04:35:06 AM How does Hayes, the guy who let the Klan completely take over the south and who murdered striking workers, have a positive rating? What redeeming qualities does he have that people are basing their FF votes on? Genuinely curious. Me too, but how can you possibly actually believe that Grant's GOP was this leftist party as you've insinuated in the past, and the magically the next decade was everything wrong with American conservatism? Things simply don't shift that quickly. Also, Ljube, I'd still absolutely LOVE to hear why Andrew Johnson was a better President than Abraham Lincoln, LOL. As the GOP was to the left of the democrats, until about 1896. Title: Re: Opinion of US Presidents Series: Abraham Lincoln through James A. Garfield Post by: Sir Mohamed on August 02, 2016, 09:01:04 AM All FF except Johnson, who's one of the worst presidents in history. Title: Re: Opinion of US Presidents Series: Abraham Lincoln through James A. Garfield Post by: Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook on August 02, 2016, 12:02:51 PM Lincoln is FF, Johnson is HP, Grant is FF, Hayes is HP, Garfield is FF.
Title: Re: Opinion of US Presidents Series: Abraham Lincoln through James A. Garfield Post by: RINO Tom on August 02, 2016, 12:56:28 PM How does Hayes, the guy who let the Klan completely take over the south and who murdered striking workers, have a positive rating? What redeeming qualities does he have that people are basing their FF votes on? Genuinely curious. Me too, but how can you possibly actually believe that Grant's GOP was this leftist party as you've insinuated in the past, and the magically the next decade was everything wrong with American conservatism? Things simply don't shift that quickly. Also, Ljube, I'd still absolutely LOVE to hear why Andrew Johnson was a better President than Abraham Lincoln, LOL. As the GOP was to the left of the democrats, until about 1896. Highly, highly, highly debatable. Immigration? GOP was clearly to the right. Moral issues like prohibition? GOP was clearly to the right. Corporate favoritism? I'd say the GOP is clearly to the right again. One could say opposing slavery was "liberal" (though I fundamentally reject such a simplistic classification, as many arguments defending slavery drew upon the "scientifically proven" inferiority of Blacks and much of the steam for the earliest serious abolitionist movements came from some of the most conservative religious denominations like the Quakers), but even then that's just one issue. If we're going to go ahead and equate enlightened racial views with liberalism, then I'd say the GOP's blatant racism toward Irish and Italian immigrants (who were not considered White by many Americas well into the early 20th Century) kind of cancels out its "liberal" views on Black civil rights (and vice versa for the Democrats). Really, it's just messy to use a simple left-right scale for pre-New Deal politics for issues that aren't kind of timeless (class issues, immigration, etc.). Title: Re: Opinion of US Presidents Series: Abraham Lincoln through James A. Garfield Post by: Goldwater on August 02, 2016, 01:16:05 PM Lincoln, Grant, and Garfield are FFs.
Title: Re: Opinion of US Presidents Series: Abraham Lincoln through James A. Garfield Post by: TDAS04 on August 02, 2016, 03:30:48 PM How does Hayes, the guy who let the Klan completely take over the south and who murdered striking workers, have a positive rating? What redeeming qualities does he have that people are basing their FF votes on? Genuinely curious. Me too, but how can you possibly actually believe that Grant's GOP was this leftist party as you've insinuated in the past, and the magically the next decade was everything wrong with American conservatism? Things simply don't shift that quickly. Also, Ljube, I'd still absolutely LOVE to hear why Andrew Johnson was a better President than Abraham Lincoln, LOL. As the GOP was to the left of the democrats, until about 1896. Highly, highly, highly debatable. Immigration? GOP was clearly to the right. Moral issues like prohibition? GOP was clearly to the right. Corporate favoritism? I'd say the GOP is clearly to the right again. One could say opposing slavery was "liberal" (though I fundamentally reject such a simplistic classification, as many arguments defending slavery drew upon the "scientifically proven" inferiority of Blacks and much of the steam for the earliest serious abolitionist movements came from some of the most conservative religious denominations like the Quakers), but even then that's just one issue. If we're going to go ahead and equate enlightened racial views with liberalism, then I'd say the GOP's blatant racism toward Irish and Italian immigrants (who were not considered White by many Americas well into the early 20th Century) kind of cancels out its "liberal" views on Black civil rights (and vice versa for the Democrats). Really, it's just messy to use a simple left-right scale for pre-New Deal politics for issues that aren't kind of timeless (class issues, immigration, etc.). Your point is mostly correct, but I'm not sure why you say the Quakers were so conservative. They may have been conservative in personal style, but they've long been staunch advocates for peace and social justice. They were a liberal group that voted overwhelmingly Republican. Their advocacy for Native Americans might have also been a reason why Grant appointed Quakers as Indian agents as part of his "peace policy." Title: Re: Opinion of US Presidents Series: Abraham Lincoln through James A. Garfield Post by: Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook on August 03, 2016, 08:02:49 PM So when is Arthur-Cleveland-Harrison-McKinley-Roosevelt?
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