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What a sick bastard.

EDIT: NYT article w/video...
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/us/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton.html?_r=0

Paging Sharron Angle.

24 hours is about as long as he can go without turning into a clown. Sad!

I think this may push a few moderate GOPers a bit further out of his camp...

But in all seriousness, this guys is a nightmare. I don't know how the GOP is going to couch this... Reince, Ryan, Ayotte, Pence... they are all going to have a very hard time defending this one.

I think this might be the straw that breaks the back of Ryan, McConnell, et al.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall for how people behind the scenes deal with these kinds of situations. This is actually a suggestion to assassinate a presidential candidate. Even in the smoke-filled room, this has to be problematic.

When you can't throw your political rivals in prison, why not kill them? Little Donny is insane.

THE PIVOT STARTS HERE

There had better be hell to pay if Trump ends up fomenting an armed insurrection after the election, even if he is doing so casually and unseriously.

Disgusting! He should be ashamed of himself.

How is this defensible by any stretch of the imagination? I can't wait to see all the hoops Seriously? will force himself to jump through in this thread.

I don't care if this is a joke, you don't mess around with this crap if you are a high level figure!

Nah. Trump could actually shoot her himself and Ryan/McConnell typical response would be: "I deplore what Donald Trump said/did, but I still support him."

Sadly, this will probably increase his numbers with the crazy base (the LOCK HER UP crowd), which seems to be his strategy.

Paging Seriously? Mr Seriously? to the Forum...

This seems pretty par for the course among pro-second amendment rhetoric on the right lately. Not that I understand it for a minute.

Doesn't secret service usually track people down and talk to people that say these kinds of things?

It's hard for me to imagine that he has much room to grow with the crazy base, lol.

Yeah, He is toast.

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcxkkrNSv-4

Never underestimate the craziness/insanity/stupidity of the same people who gave us Todd Akin, Richard Mourdock, Christine O'Donnell, Ken Buck, Sharron Angle, Louie Gohmert, Michele Bachmann, Paul Broun, Steve King, and now Donald Trump.

Evidence that Trump doesn't have the temperament to be president, page 639 and counting...

How low the GOP has sunk in just 8 years...From this to Trumpism....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRq6Y4NmB6U

I assure you that some top-level Secret Service people will be having a talk with trump.
You don't joke about things like this ; there are too many crazies in the world, and in the US.
The thing is, trump should know the seriousness of what the Secret Service does and is all about, since he is currently being protected by them (for some time now).
trump is such an idiot !! This is unbelievable !

It was obviously a joke guys lol.

Sad!

But, in all fairness, it's not the entire GOP. With Kasich, you wouldn't have this kind of stupidity. Even Cruz wouldn't say such things.


Even if it was one. Where is the red line for him? Where does it stop? You don't make jokes about shoting people.

Would this make an effective attack ad for Hillary? That clip is horrifying.

Is it really unbelievable? Despicable, revolting, and dangerous, certainly. But unbelievable? I have no trouble believing it, given that he isn't exactly the first to express such a sentiment, and given that his entire campaign has been one bats**t crazy thing after another.

I don't really find a presidential candidate joking about the assassination of his opponent funny.

Watch this video, and stare at old man in the red shirt on the right hand side of the screen.
Near the very end, you can tell the man acts with amazement and disgust, before the video ends.

Or was it a "suggestion" like his Muslim ban proposal?

I really hope you're the one joking if that's your first response to this. The level of stupidity required to incite violence against a presidential candidate as a presidential candidate is nigh on impossible. This kind of thing cannot be allowed to set a precedent of acceptable behavior in a democracy.

For sure!!!

you're obviously a joke

If he wants to tell jokes, he should go back to hosting the apprentice. Saying stuff like that when you are in his position can get people hurt or killed.

Agreed.

There is just only so much you can take when it comes to this guy. The man can't stay on message for more then 2 days. He just gave a decent speech yesterday and now this is the only thing people are going to talk about.

Time for the GOP to cut their losses and punt.

Even as a joke, this kind of thing is unacceptable.  There are too many nuts out there who will think it's a serious suggestion.

Absolutely disgusting, even as a joke. Time for Pence and leadership to try a coup.

GOP needs to throw him off the ticket, right now

Trump simply represents the views of the woman who asked him that question.  We can only hope that Trump's massive loss this year will undermine the bigoted segment of the Republican base, to the extent that candidates who would rightfully cringe at such remarks, as McCain did, can win the presidential nomination again.

So many people here have serious issues.

I apologize for my comment. I absolutely despise Donald Trump with a passion, and it was wrong for him to make these comments.

Trump is staying on message. The only time he goes off is when he reads the teleprompter of someone else's words, which is a rarity.

Im sure the brave GOP leadership will denounce it strongly while still endorsing Trump. SAD!!

Debatable whether he meant "Shoot Clinton" or "Rise up and overthrow the judges," but either one is not something that anyone, let alone someone running for President, should say.

Nah, maybe Clinton deserves that treatment.

Trump has to be a plant...has to be a plant has to be a plant has to be a plant has to be a plant has to be a plant has to be a plant has to be a plant has to be a plant has to be a plant has to be a plant has to be a plant has to be a plant has to be a plant has to be a plant has to be a plant

And the sad (for them) part is that they still have 3 more months of humiliation to go.

I don't think he was advocating what you guys think.

I think it was more of the Jeffersonian thought on the Second Amendment, armed militia takeover.

In either event, a not-so-wise thing to joke about.

Oh yeah, that would fit with his stupid claim that elections are rigged. To even mention this in that context is disgusting.

Exactly. No matter how you slice it, this was an incredibly stupid and dangerous thing to say.

republicans and gun activists have used the rhetoric of armed insurrection for quiet some time ("the only thing that can protect the other amendments is the second"). Surprised it has floated upwards so quickly.

Right... calling for an armed insurrection because the other side wins was TOTALLY WHAT JEFFERSON WOULD WANT.

Of course you would approve of that.

I would love to see these cute armed militias try and overthrow the government. They love to fantacize about it, so try it!  It will last about 2 hours.

lol, what a bullsh**t response.

https://twitter.com/akarl_smith/status/763102310209818624

You can go back to your old account.

Are you no longer supporting Trump, Mr Johnson?

It was a probably a joke, he shouldn't say that, but then again, this is a free country and you cannot censor free speech. Hey, on the left, you have SJWs saying some vicious things towards white conservatives, and even black conservatives who don't think like the BLM crew. Trump needs to tone down the nonsense.

No, the Khan issue was a red line for me in conjunction with Hillary's great DNC speech and the selection of Tim Kaine. She wasn't my first choice (would have prefered Biden, Webb or Jerry Brown), but now fully supporting her.

Two quick points -

In the world of online violence advocacy, SJWs take a FAR BACK SEAT to MRAs.

You're comparing the nominee of the GOP to a 12 year old in a chat room.

Free speech =/= Consequence free speech

Thank you for apologizing.

After the election Trump should just be turned over to the Mexican government and left to rot in one of their jails.

Clinton campaign responds....

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https://twitter.com/gdebenedetti/status/763101790204203008

I don't know. He should not be dropped. If Trump is dropped by the GOP, the base will stay home. It's Trump or bust for them, I suppose. They don't want to hear Tom Ridge, Christie Whitman, Charlie Dent, Susan Collins, and other "globalist RINO corporatists" have to say about Trump. Those 4 failed them. Whitman gave NJ McGreevey to them in 2001, Tom Ridge to them made the DHS too powerful, Charlie Dent is not the "suburban conservative" that they voted for. Susan Collins is not "the New England conservative" that they thought they would get after "RINO Globalist" William Cohen joined the Clinton/Gore administration in 1997. The base is probably tired.

Disgusting. If this isn't crossing the line, then there is no line anymore. And that's frightening.

Serious Presidential candidates need to censor their own speech. It's called taking personal responsibility.

Is there anything Trump can say that his supporters wouldn't call sarcastic or a joke?

Maybe the Secret Service could stop protecting him and sit him down for a Ted Nugent-style interview.

No, anything he say they will "rationalize" away.

I think he meant the voters but holy shi he said in the most irresponsible way.

No. They can "play" and protect themselves by using the "poorly-educated" card/role, on why their responses are childish and irresponsible.

Disgusting.

He just misspoke ;)

This is an emotional election. Emotions get the best out of people. In 2004, the Kerry/Edwards people were vicious to Bush/Cheney/Rove/Rumsfeld. A lot of leftists were going off whenever Bush was leading in Pa., Ohio, etc.

The secret service needs to investigate trump for this suggestion of violence. What a scum bag.

Kerry, a candidate to lead the nation, never suggested that we shoot and murder another candidate for president. This analogy fails and is frankly pathetic.

Except you absolutely can censor speech. It's why it is illegal to say bomb on an airplane or fire in a theater. Something that misrepresents a clear and present danger is absolutely illegal. Hate speech is illegal. This is borderline, but only because it is technically "political speech" and the least regulated of all types of speech.

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True, but it's how he feels. He's still crazy.

Keep also in mind that not everything that is legal is morally justified.

You don't think that some leftists were calm after 11/2/2004? They weren't. Some of them vowed to move to Canada or Sweden or some other nation. Some of them were violent too, but with words.

comments like this are why 538 is Hillary's ceiling

Were any of these "violent leftists" name John Kerry or John Edwards? If not, then kindly take a seat.

Leftist on internet threatening to move to Canada..... Presidential Candidate calling for Armed Uprising  

But did Kerry ask people to shoot Bush?

Seriously, this "both sides do it" **** by you people needs to end.

WTF is wrong with this man?

However, all of this would not be happening if Democrats don't stop talking about gun control. They're only putting themselves in trouble by making this a big issue, year after year. Yes, we need background checks, but stop demonizing gun owners and guns, and stop making it a major issue. Let the states handle these issues.

He's crazy, but the gun control issue is getting out of hand.

STAHP! This is TRUMP's fault and his alone!

I'm fairly certain he has psychological issues that make him say provocative things to gain attention, things he carries since childhood. But at present I'm also pretty sure he's trying to lose the race, being POTUS doesn't sound as enchanting ex post

https://twitter.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/763106278319198208

And what about this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX9reO3QnUA

LOL!!!!!

Uh yeah, it's the Dems fault now? They make policy proposals, on which you can agree or disagree, and that justifies such a disgusting joke by the GOP nominee? Trump is a disgrace.

I can't tell if this is trolling or not.

At this point, Democrats should be getting worried that he really isn't going to last until the election. The chances of him being replaced seem to have risen from 0 to 5%

Weren't you a BIG DONALD TRUMP!!1!! supporter until a few days ago?

How would that work, he would still appear on the ballot in lots of states

If TRUMP is arrested, we get to have a new nomine!!

The states will change their laws if need be. Dont worry about it.

If those Democrats would just stop proposing policies we don't like, we wouldn't have to threaten to murder them!

Just a question: Four years ago the conventions were in kate August/early September. Did some states change their deadlines or were Obama and Romney put on the ballot prior to their official nomination?

The level of faux outrage in this thread is similar to the ones in this thread. (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=241009.0) Go back to your safe spaces, people.

Getting a bill introduced passed, signed by governor, approved by courts with a retroactive clause is not something that goes so fast

It's not. It's a reaction to what people say. Trump is obviously crazy, but when you have people talking about changing gun rules and legislation, what do you expect. You don't expect tensions to rise? You have a professor writing on the Rolling Stone magazine about repealing the Second Amendment and you don't expect some type of disagreement? The Second Amendment should not be repealed. This is not Europe, this is not Canada. We have to protect ourselves and if you want to be a disarmed person with no security, be my guest, but you have to have protection.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-its-time-to-repeal-the-second-amendment-right-bear-arms-20160613

President Obama wasted the beginning of his second term on gun control and failed. If he had spent time talking about background checks instead of demonizing gun owners, this issue of gun control would not be so heated up. The NRA is probably too powerful to defeat in this sense. Leave the Second Amendment alone. And no, I'm not a fan of Trump. Yes, he's tough, he's macho, has the swag, but he needs to tone it down, but Democrats need to leave the Second Amendment alone.

One of those people is an anonymous internet dork, and the other is the Republican Nominee for President.  See the difference?!

You know I'm no big fan of Trump, but I initially read "Second Amendment people" as the NRA.  That is, the usual NRA headlock on Washington could continue and block judges just as they've blocked all gun control legislation for the last 20 years.

Of course, Trump isn't a normal politician, and by having a long history of inflammatory statements, it makes the "I am advocating an armed overthrow of the government in case I lose" interpretation equally plausible.  And in the end, it doesn't matter what he meant, it matters how it's interpreted.  And it's the latter interpretation that seems to be sticking.

Are you... and idiot? One of these threads involves a dumb joke KYS and the other is the nominee of a major political party calling for his opponent to be assassinated.

You are such a terrible person.

I'm not saying that, I'm just saying that Democrats need to back off the Second Amendment. Leave it alone.

If that's what you're saying, you're saying that in the wrong thread. This thread is about Donald Trump's calls to kill his political rival, not about the Democratic platform.

I can't even find the news on The Fox News site. I wonder how long they will go without posting it.

We have had four Presidents killed by assassins in this country's history. We have had several others who had attempts against there lives. We have had assassinations and assassination attempts against many presidential candidates over the years. Don't you dare suggest this is anything other than playing with fire, especially in a political climate as charged as it has been in decades. I am not feigning this outrage. I AM outraged because THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS.

This is a discussion about inciting murder upon a presidential candidate. Not about 2nd amendment policy. This is a thread about how a candidate nominated by a major party and with a large and angry following suggested to his followers that they murder a candidate for president of the United States.

NRA statement...

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I think you need more bold text.

He should have said it. Period.

Just keeps getting worse.  I can think of more than a few morons on this board who'd literally defend Trump no matter what he says, though.  Very scary, really.

can someone please link me to where Hillary says "I want to repeal the 2nd amendment?"

I think you need to stop defending every single thing your God-Emperor does.

Makes me understand how facism rose in democratic countries like Italy and Germany.  Just never thought we had so many lemmings like that in our own!

How presidential of him! Saying his opponent should be shot! This is the logical next step from calling her Satan. Maybe they should shoot RBG or Obama, too! After all, they're not that different than Clinton, and also anti-Second Amendment.

There's "stirring the pot," and there's being an asshole, man.

A major party presidential candidate is suggesting his opponent should maybe be killed and you think the problem is I'm using too much bold text? Sort out your priorities.

She has never called for it but there are large segments of the left that would love to ban guns.

Hold on there.  Trump is the one trying to inflame on this issue.  He continues to push the idea that Clinton wants to abolish the Second Amendment.  She has never done so and the campaign has strongly denied this.  Politifact has rated Trump's claim as False (see http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/may/11/donald-trump/donald-trump-falsely-claims-hillary-clinton-wants-/), but that hasn't stopped him from continuing to make it.

I now understand that some people on this board would have been defending Hitler in the 1930s.  That's what a personality cult does to people. "Buh buh but.. The Jews shouldnt antogonize Hitler like that!"

literally Sharon Angle won the Republican nomination.

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/763113618154160129

Okay, I should make it clear that I'm not saying saying that this was a smart thing to say. I honestly don't know exactly what he meant by this, but either way, it is a stupid thing to say on the campaign trail. To me, talking about exercising the Second Amendment implies taking up arms as a last resort against tyranny. I did not interpret his comments as being a call to kill another individual, but I understand that some people may have different reactions when they hear the words "Second Amendment".

I just don't think that, whether it was a stupid pro-2A argument or an even dumber joke, it warrants the WORST PERSON EVER outrage in this thread.

CNN.com has this as their top-story and headline.
PS: So does ABC and CBS (but not NBC .... so far, at least).

Even she had more tact.

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Dude. You know what he was saying. Don't be obtuse.

He didn't just say the words "Second Amendment", he said:

Why didn't the Secret Service tackle him onstage for making a threat to a presidential candidate? He needs to be investigated immediately and then prosecuted.

Wow! So you're saying he's not for killing Hillary, he's ONLY for taking up arms against the government in the event she wins...gotcha

Am I the only one who think Second Amendment people should stop Trump instead?

Arrest him and round up his major supporters/allies.  We need to make an example out of him.

My local NBC affiliate had breaking news coverage on this. Meanwhile, Fox News is still talking about the emails, and that the Pulse terrorist's father went to a Hillary rally (God forbid he feel ashamed for what his son did and want to make sure the next president will make that harder).

Little Hands Drumpf Führer strikes again!

That's a little far out, rounding up his supporters and family

It's on CNN right now, along with MSNBC. It's on ABC's, NBC's, CNN's, CBS's, and many other front pages.

That hole is going to get deeper.

LOL!

Now Fox is covering it.

If the coverage was still about his economic speech, he could actually be having a pretty good few days. Alas, self-restraint is not possible for Donald...

LOL !
That's my description of trump.
Glad to see that someone else picked-it-up.
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Yeah this is getting picked up by everyone.

I hold Trump and his cultish followers in utter contempt as well, but two wrongs simply don't make a right. There needs to be a formal investigation into the nature of his comments and, if they are judged illegal, then have him convicted. While his supporters are reprehensible for defending even these actions of his, they have not necessarily committed any crimes. To punish them would be a serious violation of their constitutional rights.

Aside from that, Trump is a total disgrace and, based on the video, he is inciting violence or, at best, being incredibly reckless with his choice of words. If this won't motivate the GOP leadership to abandon him, I can't imagine what would.

It is fun to watch CNN try to give equal billing to the Florida shooters' Dad at Hillary's rally. None of the major Florida newspapers are covering it on their sites and only one news station from West Palm Beach has written about it so far

If Trump wanted to make a point about the Supreme Court, I would've used "pro-life people" instead of "2nd amendment people". It's getting harder to tell when he's being sarcastic anymore

Just out of curiosity, is there a set of rules for what happens if a candidate is assassinated between the convention and the election? Does the running mate take over? Does the second-place candidate? Does the spouse (a la Jean Carnahan) get a try, even if said spouse is Bill Clinton?

They will do a quick investigation (to have a report) and I'm sure top-level Secret Service people will sit with trump. It will all be private, no release of any information discussed in the meeting.
The Secret Service will tell trump to not joke about things like this. Even if trump tries to create an excuse that it was not intentional, they will tell him to not "go there" in future speeches, in where there could be a "misinterpretation" of its exact meaning. They wont prosecute trump (unfortunately) for it .... I don't think there is enough here for them to do so.
But it was still disgusting, and trump is still an idiot.

He'll claim afterward that this is more proof of a rigged system that only he can fix

You would think trump has tremendous respect for the Secret Service, since they are protecting him day and night (they probably are near-by even when he sleeps).
But you are right, I wouldn't doubt if he were to "blame" the Secret Service also, as some kind of "branch of the establishment," that is out to get him.

Oh sh!!t, I did it again. :(

I need to stop making effort-posts in the 2016 board. :P


Trump is the official douchebag "it's a joke, bruh" candidate.


This is not a question of censorship, this is a question of giving this guy the highest office in the land--making him "leader of the free world." The national and international representative of the nation, the commander-and-chief of the largest military on earth, and the main director of governmental policy.

There are thousands and thousands of things people can say that are totally legal and maybe not even repulsive (as this is), but would make me (and should make any sane person) uneasy to give that person such an important position.

As someone who is a big supporter of free speech, I get incredibly annoyed when people conflate "free speech" with "let me say whatever I want and don't criticize me."


What is "the base?" If it's Cruz-type ideological conservatives, they generally hate Trump. On everything outside of immigration, torture, and maybe "law and order" he's to the left of 95% of the Republican party.

It's not "base" vs. "establishment," unless Chris Christie is "base" while Ted Cruz and Glenn Beck are "establishment." if anything it's "establishment" vs. ideological conservatives vs. purely anti-establishment populists--the last faction is what gave Trump the nomination, but the former two loathe him.

I know this is slightly off-topic and it'll get buried, but I can't resist correcting misconceptions like that.


Yeah, a large faction of the Trump support is literally a cult at this point. I don't think I'm being hyperbolic--I try not to be, we have too much of that from all sides. But some people just blindly defend everything this guy says, and why? This is a politician--we're not supposed to serve them, it's supposed to be the other way around. This is a job interview--what kind of boss would defend such repulsive things from a prospective employee? In a functioning society we would've toppled the system of corrupt party establishments and a ratings-fueled media after they nominated probably the two worst candidates ever.

But even if we accept the two-party system, why can't Trump's supporters just reluctantly say "oh well, I guess he's better than Hillary"--why do they have to defend everything he says? Why do they have to compare him to Reagan (who wasn't anywhere near perfect, but in many ways different and in many ways better than Trump)? Why do they have to act like he's the savior of the country?

And before his cultists start foaming at the mouth "BUT HILLARY!!!" I should point out that I will not vote for either of them. There is no need to convince me to vote against Trump or Clinton, and you shouldn't waste your time trying to convince me to vote for either of those abysmal options.

Yet more proof that Trump is a Dollar-Store Caesarist...

It really does seem like we live in two different worlds: reality and Fox news. I understand people not liking Hillary for a variety of reasons, but her and her campaign don't incite violence against Trump or his supporters. She often says "we need to understand the concerns and frustrations of his supporters."

Trump may not personally believe these remarks, but he is speaking to an increasingly paranoid, unhinged right wing that believes this rhetoric. The election is "rigged." Use the second amendment to stop Hillary.

This political discourse should be denounced by everyone, regardless or political affiliation. So many people lament the polarization and gridlock, but then don't call people out when candidates promote polarization.

I'm sickened that we still have to listen to Trump for another three months.

https://twitter.com/elizabethforma/status/763130669606309892

OUTRAGEOUS!

Remember when Hillary also invoked assassination with Obama and got beat up by liberal media personalities?

https://youtu.be/nC6Sa8t9Ywg

Paul Manafort rn:

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real question: how much longer does Manafort deal with this nonsense?

He is getting paid, so he is going to ride this out till the end.

The party decides per party rules.

This is why I love her!

It's this and the sum of his other comments and behavior that really warrants the responses. That one comment alone may not be the worst but when you factor in everything else Trump has said and done, really, people are not being unreasonable.

You don't have to downplay everything Trump says.

I guess when Trump is elected President and says during an interview "Well, there's nothing we can do about China...unless I take out those nuke codes"  He can just say "I was just kidding"

I believe the DNC's executive committee has the power to select a replacement candidate. So anyone who is constitutionally eligible to serve as president (e.g. not Bill) is in with a chance. I imagine the DNC would pick Kaine for continuity's sake.

To me at least it doesn't seem that Trump is advocating the assassination of Hillary. If you look at what he says he is saying if Hillary is able to pick a judge that is pro-gun control than that could mean the rulings on guns could be swayed in favor of gun control and if Trump is elected it won't happen.

What the hell are you watching !
Are you seeing the same video we all saw ?
OMG, the level of denial is driving me nuts !

I'm not even a Trump supporter, I just think this is being blown out of proportion.

I mean, to be fair Reagan made a very similar joke at one point and got away with it.

lolno. They only started to care once he refused to help their own political careers. They couldn't care less about anything else.

Secret Service tweets out:

The Secret Service is aware of the comments made earlier this afternoon.

http://www.thewrap.com/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-secret-service/

You can sense the frustration in that tweet.

Likely frustration against the thousand of Democrats calling them to arrest Trump.

Yeah, the frustration that they have to deal with a bunch of moonbat Democrats that have the collective attention span of a gnat and a verbal comprehension problem.

lol, k

Ask most Secret Service agents what they think about Hillary Clinton. I hear books were written about how much of a despicable, nasty human being she was towards "the help."

Nice try. Secret service veterans have already denounced the right wing attention whore that wrote that book.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/hillary-bill-clinton-secret-service-224578

You say it like it was only one book or one story.

Are people missing the even more ridiculous part of his statement?

I think he meant that the court is split 4:4 for the most part and not polls.

Perhaps, and of course why would he say he was tied when yesterday he said this (when asked if he would make any changes)...

...He is trying to Charlie Sheen through this.

This looks like it's catching fire very quickly as I suspected. All the major media sources are reporting it and the comment sections appear to be near unanimous rebukes.

I even saw some NRA supporting people underscoring that these kinds of comments are detrimental to their cause to protect the 2nd amendment and smear their entire agenda, convincing them to vote for HRC.

I can't believe it, but I think Trump has outdone himself yet again. This time, it will cost him even more in the polls with a broader swath of voters and likely sink him to unrecoverable depths. We should keep an eye out for polls post-assassinationgate.

The article in the link above, goes on to say :

This country will not find peace until Drumpfism is utterly crushed and rooted out of it.

In the context of what some ardent defenders of the amendment say it is there for, clearly he meant the latter.

Do you guys ever make real points?

You guys remember when Hillary outright wished Obama would end up like Bobby Kennedy?

Except she didnt outright wish or suggest Obama should get assassinated. Trump did.

I wonder if Trump's continuing (seemingly almost daily) reckless behavior will cause a host of Pub officials to retract their current pro forma endorsements of Trump. The risk is now greater that Trump is going to take down a bunch of Pubs down ballot. I don't expect politicians in general to just do the right thing, but they do have a survival instinct, which survival may now well be imperiled. And frankly if the Pubs take a lashing at the polls, up and down the ballot, all I can say at this point is that it is richly deserved. The Pub party has failed the nation, and deserves to be punished. Yeah, I'm pissed!

The Pubs has failed the nation years ago. Trump is but a logical conclusion to what was going on with the party for decades.

Most Republicans are more vulnerable in primaries than in general elections so as long as the GOP base sticks with Trump they will too.

I don't follow your point Gustaf about primaries. In any event, a chunk of the Pub base is not sticking with Trump. The issue is how many of them will not vote down ballot, or decide to send the Pub party a message that its current incarnation is simply unacceptable.

No, I was just baiting you. She didn't, and neither did Trump. But projecting my predetermined perception of candidates onto their statement is fun!

I’m not surprised. That one is just another, this time very disgusting und sickening, incident in a pattern we have experienced for several months. It’s time for the GOP (especially Ryan, Priebus, McConnell and Pence) to walk entirely away from this very very sick dude. This has nothing to do with conservatism. It’s dangerous. Trump tries to undermine trust in the democratic process by making such calls or suggesting the election will be stolen in order to justify his predictable defeat.

http://archive.is/dvIp0

Wew.

Trump was probably referring to the NRA and legal remedies, although I admit his words are somewhat ambiguous.

The message of defense is, unsurprisingly, in disarray. "It was a joke!", "He meant vote!", "He meant NRA afterwards!", "But Hillary!", "Don't get gun-toters angry!" This isn't double speak, it's septuple speak. I did see that Trump spent the morning personally insulting his critics with ad hominems on Twitter, though. At least that message from his campaign is consistent.

Personally, I actually do think that Trump didn't mean to mean what he said and I do buy that what he was supposed to say, "but second amendment people, you can do something about that by electing me" which was garbled because he is an unscripted moron.

But here's the thing, all Trump has to do is say "I misspoke, I meant to say _______,  I do not condone any violence against Hillary Clinton" (see that Trump, you didn't even have to apologize!) but he refuses to admit that he makes ANY mistakes. Instead we're just treated to a week-long press cycle where the press goes after him, his surrogates put out a bunch of different and conflicting defenses, and all he does is deny deny deny and yell at people on twitter.

As much as I can't stand Trump, my gut tells me that this particular statement of his was overblown by everyone. I don't think he's really that stupid to advocate for people to harm Hillary, or cruel to want her to be assassinated. Not even Trump is that depraved.

But he was very reckless in what he said because his meaning was not crystal clear. If so many "normal" people can "misinterpret" what he said, what are the crazies out there -- who aren't as discerning as sane people -- going to think about what he said? And what are they going to do about it?

Trump is an insidious "seed planter." Little things like "Crooked Hillary" and comments like that, stick, whether they are true or not. So what is his little 2nd Amendment people "seed" going to sprout down the road?


And for crying out loud, he's also responsible for continually telling the lie that Hillary wants to get rid of the 2nd Amendment and take away people's guns. He's only saying that because he knows he'll get a rise out of people, but it's a BIG LIE.

Jesus!

But I thought only Dem hacks thought this was an issue!!!!1!!!

No, only Trump hacks think it's a non-issue.

Also, this (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/trumps-assassination-dog-whistle-was-scarier-than-you-think-w433615):

Statement from the pathological liar...


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/763477408909500416

Is the Secret Service official lying. . . or is Trump lying?

Real tough decision.

It might be a tough decision for Seriously?

lol

My favorite hits of this thread:

If you meant "supposed to say, but mouth said the opposite of what brain thought", then maybe. However, Trump's words were implying after she was elected. This has been gone over quite a bit in the news now. I think the more plausible "pro-Trump" explanation here is that he meant exactly what the media is saying, except that he didn't think it was a big deal and wasn't joking, but wasn't really serious either. In other words, he just said whatever crap came to mind and then moved on, as he usually does. This is Trump's M.O. - He just says whatever pops into his head.

After a day my less than hot take on this is that this is another example of Trump dog-whistling to a popular but fringy view on the right. In this case, that second amendment as more than a right to bear arms for sport, hunting and protection. They talk about it in terms of how it is a check on the government. Ted Cruz said last year it was "fundamental check on government tyranny." The extreme version of this is of course the sovereign citizens movement.

Perhaps the next time a reporter talks to him about this they shouldnt ask about if he was talking about someone shooting Clinton, he should ask him if he agrees with that interpretation of the second amendment.  Do citizens have a right to fight (with guns) against a 'tyrannical government' and if so, how does one define 'tyranny'?  Then you can get to the Clinton question. What actions of a potential Clinton government or Clinton-appointee on SCOTUS would he consider 'tyranical'?  

CNN is talking endlessly about this now.  This non-issue.  As if folks can't evaluate what they see and make up their own mind about temperament.

The maelstrom of criticism about Trump is an attempt to deflect attention from the newly-released e-mails showing the relationship between the State Department and the Clinton Foundation during the Clinton years there.  At best, those e-mails show that Hillary wasn't willing or able to avoid the mere appearance of impropriety.  Whether or not she avoided ACTUAL impropriety, conflict of interest, etc., remains to be seen.  It's amazing, however, that problems surrounding the perception of impropriety never seem to dog Barack Obama, and he's a guy whose enemies have taken "dogged" to a new level.

Oh get a grip ya right wing nut job.

I think, he'd actually benefit and win back some educated, if he'd apologize/admit that he had misspoken. But he won't :/

I like Ronald Reagan's daughter's comments on his earlier 2nd amendment comments.


To Donald Trump: I am the daughter of a man who was shot by someone who got his inspiration from a movie, someone who believed if he killed the President the actress from that movie would notice him. Your glib and horrifying comment about "Second Amendment people" was heard around the world. It was heard by sane and decent people who shudder at your fondness for verbal violence. It was heard by your supporters, many of whom gleefully and angrily yell, "Lock her up!" at your rallies. It was heard by the person sitting alone in a room, locked in his own dark fantasies, who sees unbridled violence as a way to make his mark in the world, and is just looking for ideas. Yes, Mr. Trump, words matter. But then you know that, which makes this all even more horrifying.

If Trump supporters won't listen to Reagan's daughter, who will they listen to?

Yes.


http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/10/politics/trump-second-amendment/ (http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/10/politics/trump-second-amendment/)

The 2nd amendment was absolutely put in the Constitution to protect against tyranny, but a lot of right-wingers get the implications of that backwards. The historical context of who was lobbying for the Bill of Rights and what they thought of a standing army is very important. The 2nd amendment doesn't imply a right of insurrection against whatever perceived tyranny there is. Rather it maintains that a well-armed population helps protect our free country, hence the whole militia clause. The militia is actually in contrast to a permanent standing army, who were considered a potential tool of tyranny.

"The 2nd amendment is an important tool to help keep the standing military small" is unfortunately a forgotten sentiment. It was in fact a primary purpose of the 2nd amendment, with self-defense and hunting real but secondary purposes.