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Election Archive => 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls => Topic started by: heatcharger on August 18, 2016, 10:22:25 AM



Title: NV-Suffolk: Clinton +2
Post by: heatcharger on August 18, 2016, 10:22:25 AM
http://www.ktnv.com/news/ralston/poll-presidential-senate-races-in-nevada-are-dead-heats

Clinton - 44%
Trump - 42%


Title: Re: NV-Suffolk: Clinton +2
Post by: Redban on August 18, 2016, 10:29:34 AM
OK, something is definitely up here.  I think Clinton will still win NV, but we have very consistent data for a closer race than 2012.

Voters without a college degree are breaking heavily for Trump.


Title: Re: NV-Suffolk: Clinton +2
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on August 18, 2016, 10:31:57 AM
Democrats consistently underpoll in Nevada because pollsters ignore/under-sample Latino voters. In a year where Trump is sending Latinos to register in droves, I wouldn't be surprised if the Dem overperformance is bigger than it has been in the past few cycles.

Obama overperformed the RCP average by 6 and 4 points (2008, 2012), Berkley overperformed her average by 3 points, and Reid by 8.


Title: Re: NV-Suffolk: Clinton +2
Post by: heatcharger on August 18, 2016, 10:34:00 AM
Democrats consistently underpoll in Nevada because pollsters ignore/under-sample Latino voters. In a year where Trump is sending Latinos to register in droves, I wouldn't be surprised if the Dem overperformance is bigger than it has been in the past few cycles.

Obama overperformed the RCP average by 6 and 4 points (2008, 2012), Berkley overperformed her average by 3 points, and Reid by 8.

Yup. You'd think Nevada pollsters would learn by now to include Spanish interviews.


Title: Re: NV-Suffolk: Clinton +2
Post by: Wiz in Wis on August 18, 2016, 10:34:42 AM
While I still think this is underestimating Clinton, it should be bigger given the national spread. Like Iowa, the non-college white vote is definitely holding down Clinton's margin. However, there are only so many of those types of people, and I would imagine they are already maxed out for Trump at this point.


Title: Re: NV-Suffolk: Clinton +2
Post by: john cage bubblegum on August 18, 2016, 10:35:27 AM
The lower percentage of voters with a college degree is keeping the state closer than Colorado, although Clinton would almost definitely win Nevada by more than 2 in an election held today. 

Remember that the final RCP average for Nevada in 2012 was Obama +2.8, with no pollster having Obama with a lead bigger than 4.


Title: Re: NV-Suffolk: Clinton +2
Post by: heatcharger on August 18, 2016, 10:40:22 AM
The lower percentage of voters with a college degree is keeping the state closer than Colorado, although Clinton would almost definitely win Nevada by more than 2 in an election held today. 

Remember that the final RCP average for Nevada in 2012 was Obama +2.8, with no pollster having Obama with a lead bigger than 4.

Correct. Nevada unskewing actually makes sense because Democrats have consistently outperformed polling expectations, and the Hispanic effect is real. Sandoval in 2014 was an anomaly, not the new normal in the state in terms of polling.


Title: Re: NV-Suffolk: Clinton +2
Post by: Xing on August 18, 2016, 10:50:41 AM
This kind of polling is consistent with 2012. Polls show a close race, but I'd bet quite a bit of money that it won't be that close. If this poll says "interviews conducted in English and Spanish, then we'll talk.


Title: Re: NV-Suffolk: Clinton +2
Post by: john cage bubblegum on August 18, 2016, 10:51:55 AM
The lower percentage of voters with a college degree is keeping the state closer than Colorado, although Clinton would almost definitely win Nevada by more than 2 in an election held today.  

Remember that the final RCP average for Nevada in 2012 was Obama +2.8, with no pollster having Obama with a lead bigger than 4.

Correct. Nevada unskewing actually makes sense because Democrats have consistently outperformed polling expectations, and the Hispanic effect is real. Sandoval in 2014 was an anomaly, not the new normal in the state in terms of polling.

Yeah if it was just one cycle, I wouldn't make such assumptions about Democratic support, but it's been a pretty consistent factor in presidential cycles since 2004.


Title: Re: NV-Suffolk: Clinton +2
Post by: Devils30 on August 18, 2016, 10:52:07 AM
Trump can do better than Romney with working class whites here but he'll lose college whites who went 57% Romney. I just don't see this state being as close as polls, not at 40% non white. If Clinton wins by 11 on Election Day after being up 4 no ome should be stunned.


Title: Re: NV-Suffolk: Clinton +2
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on August 18, 2016, 10:55:50 AM
Even though this poll is probably underestimates Clinton, it might be an indication (also see Monmouth Indiana poll (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=243694.0)), that the race have tightened (nationally) a bit. From Clinton up 7-8 pps to 6-7 or probably even 5-6 pps.
But I'l wait for nationall polls from more respectful pollsters such as ABC, Monmouth, SurveyUSA etc...


Title: Re: NV-Suffolk: Clinton +2
Post by: Gass3268 on August 18, 2016, 10:57:23 AM
Democrats outperform Republicans on election day in competitive races by 5 points on average. Obama out performed in 08 by 6 points and in 12 by 4 points. Reid over performed Angle by 7 points. Berkley over performed Heller by 3 points.


Title: Re: NV-Suffolk: Clinton +2
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on August 18, 2016, 11:01:10 AM
Democrats outperform Republicans on election day in competitive races by 5 points on average. Obama out performed in 08 by 6 points and in 12 by 4 points. Reid over performed Angle by 7 points. Berkley over performed Heller by 3 points.
Most Democratic nominees or just Obama?


Title: Re: NV-Suffolk: Clinton +2
Post by: Gass3268 on August 18, 2016, 11:01:49 AM
Even though this poll is probably underestimates Clinton, it might be an indication (also see Monmouth Indiana poll (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=243694.0)), that the race have tightened (nationally) a bit. From Clinton up 7-8 pps to 6-7 or probably even 5-6 pps.
But I'l wait for nationall polls from more respectful pollsters such as ABC, Monmouth, SurveyUSA etc...

But that doesn't match the polling from Q in Colorado, Iowa, and Virginia or Marist last week, or even Monmouth's poll this week from Florida.


Title: Re: NV-Suffolk: Clinton +2
Post by: Gass3268 on August 18, 2016, 11:03:00 AM
Democrats outperform Republicans on election day in competitive races by 5 points on average. Obama out performed in 08 by 6 points and in 12 by 4 points. Reid over performed Angle by 7 points. Berkley over performed Heller by 3 points.
Most Democratic nominees or just Obama?

I listed 3 different nominees.


Title: Re: NV-Suffolk: Clinton +2
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on August 18, 2016, 11:07:13 AM
Fave/unfave:

Obama: 53-44
Clinton: 44-50
Trump: 37-55

No way Trump wins with these numbers.


Title: Re: NV-Suffolk: Clinton +2
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on August 18, 2016, 11:17:40 AM
Even though this poll is probably underestimates Clinton, it might be an indication (also see Monmouth Indiana poll (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=243694.0)), that the race have tightened (nationally) a bit. From Clinton up 7-8 pps to 6-7 or probably even 5-6 pps.
But I'l wait for nationall polls from more respectful pollsters such as ABC, Monmouth, SurveyUSA etc...

But that doesn't match the polling from Q in Colorado, Iowa, and Virginia or Marist last week, or even Monmouth's poll this week from Florida.
Q:s results were pretty much in line with Clinton up 6-7, but yes, I forgot about Florida poll; it showed really terrible numbers for Trump.


Title: Re: NV-Suffolk: Clinton +2
Post by: Mehmentum on August 18, 2016, 12:52:01 PM
CBS/Yougov polled Nevada between August 2nd and 5th, and had Clinton up 2.  This is consistent with Clinton's lead holding steady.


Title: Re: NV-Suffolk: Clinton +2
Post by: Sbane on August 18, 2016, 01:15:09 PM
Even with the caveat regarding underpolling of Democrats in Nevada, the polls are showing that Nevada is a closer race than Colorado, Virginia and Pennsylvania. Hillary will win in the end but that is an interesting change and could have implications in certain competitive congressional districts in California like CA-10.


Title: Re: NV-Suffolk: Clinton +2
Post by: Eraserhead on August 18, 2016, 02:18:58 PM
Fave/unfave:

Obama: 53-44
Clinton: 44-50
Trump: 37-55

No way Trump wins with these numbers.

Probably not but isn't 37-55 relatively good for Trump?


Title: Re: NV-Suffolk: Clinton +2
Post by: Sbane on August 18, 2016, 02:20:17 PM
Even with the caveat regarding underpolling of Democrats in Nevada, the polls are showing that Nevada is a closer race than Colorado, Virginia and Pennsylvania. Hillary will win in the end but that is an interesting change and could have implications in certain competitive congressional districts in California like CA-10.

That's a good point. Trump is probably a great fit for Central Valley and rural NV/AZ whites.  I'd look more to the outer L.A. County and Orange/San Diego County R districts for surprise Dem pickup opportunities.

Even CA-25 has the sort of demographics Trump could be doing better with than Romney/Mccain. Places like Palmdale and Lancaster have a lot of working class whites along with minorities. Santa Clarita and Simi Valley aren't the most anti-Trump areas either. I would expect that swing towards Hillary more in places like Thousand Oaks, Calabasas, La Canada Flintridge etc.

In Orange County/SD County, Issa is obviously in some trouble. A sleeper race could be CA-39. I am fairly confident Hillary will win the district. Fortunately for the Republicans, Royce seems fairly solid with good outreach to the well-off Asian groups who constitute an important swing vote in that district.


Title: Re: NV-Suffolk: Clinton +2
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on August 18, 2016, 02:37:06 PM
CBS/Yougov polled Nevada between August 2nd and 5th, and had Clinton up 2.  This is consistent with Clinton's lead holding steady.
You cannot directly compare polls from different polsters. Pew seems to confirm that race have tightened a bit.


Title: Re: NV-Suffolk: Clinton +2
Post by: Fusionmunster on August 18, 2016, 02:42:59 PM
CBS/Yougov polled Nevada between August 2nd and 5th, and had Clinton up 2.  This is consistent with Clinton's lead holding steady.
You cannot directly compare polls from different polsters. Pew seems to confirm that race have tightened a bit.

You absolutely can.


Title: Re: NV-Suffolk: Clinton +2
Post by: ElectionsGuy on August 18, 2016, 02:44:30 PM
Even with the poll unskewing or underestimating of Democrats, people still can't deny something is different with Nevada this cycle, its at most a bellwether and at least only a slight advantage for Clinton.


Title: Re: NV-Suffolk: Clinton +2
Post by: ProudModerate2 on August 18, 2016, 02:55:40 PM
Hopefully Hillary can hold this state.
She should make sure Kaine visits here often.


Title: Re: NV-Suffolk: Clinton +2
Post by: Minnesota Mike on August 18, 2016, 08:05:24 PM
Donald Trump is every Pit Boss I have ever met in Las Vegas. 


Title: Re: NV-Suffolk: Clinton +2
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on August 18, 2016, 08:07:46 PM
With NV's ongoing issues, I expect Clinton will win by 5-7% when she should normally win by 9-12%



Title: Re: NV-Suffolk: Clinton +2
Post by: OwlRhetoric on August 18, 2016, 10:43:43 PM
Could it be the strength of the Trump brand there? This was supposedly a factor in his surprise margins in the primary there. I don't know enough about his business in Nevada to guess whether or not it would influence the general.


Title: Re: NV-Suffolk: Clinton +2
Post by: Joe Republic on August 18, 2016, 11:23:48 PM
Donald Trump is every Pit Boss I have ever met in Las Vegas. 

Nightclub promoters, too, minus forty years.


Could it be the strength of the Trump brand there? This was supposedly a factor in his surprise margins in the primary there. I don't know enough about his business in Nevada to guess whether or not it would influence the general.

The bolded parts complement each other perfectly.


Title: Re: NV-Suffolk: Clinton +2
Post by: Bakersfield Uber Alles on August 19, 2016, 01:25:06 AM
5 (6?) way polling

Clinton 43.8%
Trump 41.6%
Johnson 4.8%
NOTA 2.6% (This is actually an option on NV ballots)
Castle 1%
De La Fuente 1%

Undecided 5.2%

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