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Title: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Tender Branson on August 21, 2016, 09:30:19 am
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Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Ebsy on August 21, 2016, 09:32:12 am
Clinton being +6 in Ohio suggests the race isn't so close as some would have us believe.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: heatcharger on August 21, 2016, 09:34:20 am
Good news in Ohio. Iowa will probably have the second biggest R trend.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Buzz on August 21, 2016, 09:36:01 am
Meh not the best


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Cruzcrew on August 21, 2016, 09:36:28 am
I'm not sure how the race actually looks in Iowa since Clinton and Trump are still polling in the high 30s/low 40s and over 10% in this poll are undecided. This seems about right though for Iowa right now and Ohio is surprising.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Lief 🐋 on August 21, 2016, 09:36:43 am
Wow, looks like the race is shifting in Clinton's direction if those Ohio numbers are true. Fantastic news!


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Tender Branson on August 21, 2016, 09:40:09 am
Wow, looks like the race is shifting in Clinton's direction if those Ohio numbers are true. Fantastic news!

In the 3-poll average, Hillary now leads by 4 (which is well within the MoE).

Remember that there were polls in Oct. 2004, which had Kerry ahead in OH by 6 (and he lost).

But as long as CO and VA are above average for her, she should be OK.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Ebsy on August 21, 2016, 09:40:59 am
Wow, looks like the race is shifting in Clinton's direction if those Ohio numbers are true. Fantastic news!

In the 3-poll average, Hillary now leads by 4 (which is well within the MoE).

But as long as CO and VA are above average for her, she should be OK.
Glad to see Tender is still bending logic and reason to create a horserace where there is none.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: darthpi on August 21, 2016, 09:41:23 am
That Ohio number is encouraging, Clinton up 2 from the last YouGov poll there. Iowa continues to look like a coin-flip race, but that is basically expected by now.

Overall, I'm happy with those results.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Tender Branson on August 21, 2016, 09:42:15 am
Wow, looks like the race is shifting in Clinton's direction if those Ohio numbers are true. Fantastic news!

In the 3-poll average, Hillary now leads by 4 (which is well within the MoE).

But as long as CO and VA are above average for her, she should be OK.
Glad to see Tender is still bending logic and reason to create a horserace where there is none.

I'm just cautioning you guys not to have blind trust in these state polls ...


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: dspNY on August 21, 2016, 09:43:05 am
+6 in Ohio makes sense if Clinton is +10 or +11 in PA

What the hell is going on in Iowa?


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: / on August 21, 2016, 09:43:47 am
Compared to Obama's performance in 2012, Clinton is up three points in Ohio and down six in Iowa.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: politicallefty on August 21, 2016, 09:46:52 am
That Ohio result is ugly for the Trump campaign. I'm guessing she's getting big numbers from the cities and out of the Northeastern part of the state.

As for Iowa, it's pretty much in line with everything else we've been seeing. It's almost certainly now the Obama state most at risk.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: JMT on August 21, 2016, 09:47:57 am
+6 in Ohio makes sense if Clinton is +10 or +11 in PA

What the hell is going on in Iowa?

Or, as Trump himself would say, "How stupid are the people of Iowa?"


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Panda Express on August 21, 2016, 09:48:02 am
Iowa needs to be stripped of its status as the first primary/caucus state.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on August 21, 2016, 09:48:26 am
If Clinton is ahead by double digits in PA, NH, VA, CO, and by mid-single digits in OH, FL, NC, then Iowa and Nevada are completely irrelevant.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Devout Centrist on August 21, 2016, 09:57:57 am
Wow, looks like the race is shifting in Clinton's direction if those Ohio numbers are true. Fantastic news!

In the 3-poll average, Hillary now leads by 4 (which is well within the MoE).

Remember that there were polls in Oct. 2004, which had Kerry ahead in OH by 6 (and he lost).

But as long as CO and VA are above average for her, she should be OK.
Guess who that pollster was?

The LA Times.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: JRP1994 on August 21, 2016, 10:07:44 am
I will now accept my accolades for being one of the people saying back in 2013/14 that Clinton had an Iowa problem.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: heatcharger on August 21, 2016, 10:11:42 am
This Ohio poll is really good for her, but it seems clear her national lead has faded back to 3-6.

So you think Ohio is as Democratic as the nation if not more Democratic? I don't think so. Sure, there was that one Pew poll, but the state polls indicate this is a 6-8 point lead nationally.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: BlueSwan on August 21, 2016, 10:14:33 am
Screw Iowa, I'll take +6 in Ohio, thank you very much! The rustbelt strategy is clearly not working for Trump.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: ExtremeConservative on August 21, 2016, 10:15:08 am
+6 in Ohio makes sense if Clinton is +10 or +11 in PA

What the hell is going on in Iowa?

Iowa's now a Lean R state in an even national election, no longer the tossup/tilt D of yesteryear.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on August 21, 2016, 10:16:57 am
This Ohio poll is really good for her, but it seems clear her national lead has faded back to 3-6.

Where is that clear from? This is her biggest lead in Ohio since March.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: BlueSwan on August 21, 2016, 10:21:41 am
Iowa seems to heading the way of Missouri. We should have known after they elected nutcase Joni Ernst in 2014.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: darthpi on August 21, 2016, 10:22:15 am
This Ohio poll is really good for her, but it seems clear her national lead has faded back to 3-6.

So you think Ohio is as Democratic as the nation if not more Democratic? I don't think so. Sure, there was that one Pew poll, but the state polls indicate this is a 6-8 point lead nationally.

My working assumption, looking at both the national and the state polls, is that it's about a 6 point lead nationally.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: dspNY on August 21, 2016, 10:23:13 am
92% of Ohio voters in the YouGov poll are completely locked in or probably won't change. That gives Trump very little chance to reverse a 6 point deficit

87% of voters who said they were not voting for Trump (56% of the respondents overall) said there is no chance they vote for Trump


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: dspNY on August 21, 2016, 10:33:36 am
Additionally, there have been 15 polls taken of Ohio since June 7, when Clinton mathematically wrapped up the Democratic nomination. Clinton led in 12 polls; Trump in 2; and there was 1 tie

Trump only led by 3 in a PPP poll taken right before the RNC and by 1 in that batch of odd Quinnipiac polls of the big 3 swing states. Otherwise it is all Clinton

Iowa is a true tossup. Since July 4, Trump and Clinton have each led in 3 polls, with two ties (out of 8 polls)


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Xing on August 21, 2016, 10:41:54 am
I won't deny that Clinton could have an Iowa problem, but I wouldn't be surprised if she overperforms her polls, or if Iowa trends her way in the fall. One of the key things about Iowa is ground game/organization, which is one of the reasons it was such a strong state for Obama. I could see Trump's poor organization hurting him here.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Gass3268 on August 21, 2016, 10:45:46 am
That Ohio number is delicious. This fits with the news of Republican internals in PA that have Trump down double digits.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: politicallefty on August 21, 2016, 10:46:57 am
Is there a geographic breakdown of the Ohio poll? I'd really like to see how Hillary's doing in the Northeast (and no, under no circumstances is she going to lose Mahoning County). Against Trump, I'm positive she'll win Lake County. I wonder if she could even flip Medina as well. Even in a very close race, I think Hillary will overperform in the Northeast (i.e. Cleveland and its suburbs and around Akron and  Youngstown).


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on August 21, 2016, 10:48:49 am
Those polls seem to confirm (Pew, daily tracker polls) that race almost came back to "pre-convention" polling, i.e. Clinton is up 4-6 from 8-10


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Gass3268 on August 21, 2016, 10:55:22 am
Those polls seem to confirm (Pew, daily tracker polls) that race almost came back to "pre-convention" polling, i.e. Clinton is up 4-6 from 8-10

Ohio up by 6 does not jive with her being up 4-6. More like 6-8.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: JerryArkansas on August 21, 2016, 10:55:27 am
Those polls seem to confirm (Pew, daily tracker polls) that race almost came back to "pre-convention" polling, i.e. Clinton is up 4-6 from 8-10
No, these are saying this is a 6 to 8 point race.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on August 21, 2016, 11:01:54 am
^^^
Yougov polled Ohio (C +5) and Iowa (T+1) July 13-15. Then the race was Clinton +4-5.
Now we get C+6 and tie in OH and Iowa, respectively.

This together with other polls might indicate, that race is tightening. Or not :D


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Gass3268 on August 21, 2016, 11:02:58 am
Gender gap in Ohio is ridiculous. Trump is only winning men by 3%, while Clinton is winning women by 16%.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: JerryArkansas on August 21, 2016, 11:06:22 am
^^^
Yougov polled Ohio (C +5) and Iowa (T+1) July 13-15. Then the race was Clinton +4-5.
Now we get C+6 and tie in OH and Iowa, respectively.

This together with other polls might indicate, that race is tightening. Or not :D
So Ohio is going to be an even PVI this year.  OK whatever you say.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Polarized MT Treasurer on August 21, 2016, 11:08:02 am
OH number is awful for Trump. IA is just remarkable, given that this was a safe D state in 2008 and a lean D state in 2012. Trump will win it in a close race.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on August 21, 2016, 11:17:42 am
^^^
Yougov polled Ohio (C +5) and Iowa (T+1) July 13-15. Then the race was Clinton +4-5.
Now we get C+6 and tie in OH and Iowa, respectively.

This together with other polls might indicate, that race is tightening. Or not :D
So Ohio is going to be an even PVI this year.  OK whatever you say.
Sigh, I'm not saying that. I just compare polls from the same pollster.

Check out, how 538's model is working.
Quote
Trend line adjustment

The model detects movement in the polls by making comparisons between different editions of the same poll. For example, if Clinton is at 46 percent in the Quinnipiac poll of Florida in August and was at 43 percent in the same poll in July, that suggests she’s gained 3 percentage points. Likewise, if Trump’s at 41 percent in the Rasmussen national poll this week and he was at 40 percent last week, that suggests he’s gained 1 percentage point.

It seems pretty reasonable, don't you think?


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on August 21, 2016, 11:23:54 am
Aw, how cute, CBS thinks Iowa is gonna be close.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on August 21, 2016, 11:31:53 am
Aw, how cute, CBS thinks Iowa is gonna be close.

It probably will be.  I suspect it's going to be one of the closest states (although I think Clinton is likely to pull it out in the end due to superior organization and ground game.)  The states don't all shift in a uniform manner.  Certainly VA, CO, and NC -- more diverse and educated states -- are trending D.  Iowa, with a whiter and less educated population, is trending R. 


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: PresidentSamTilden on August 21, 2016, 12:07:52 pm
"Only 80% of Iowa Democrats back Clinton"

I think it's Bernie time...


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on August 21, 2016, 12:09:35 pm
"Only 80% of Iowa Democrats back Clinton"

I think it's Bernie time...

I think they need to replace Kaine with Sanders or Warren.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: IceSpear on August 21, 2016, 12:18:44 pm
Up 6 in Ohio? But muh tracking polls


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on August 21, 2016, 12:40:49 pm
Up 6 in Ohio? But muh tracking polls
They shows almost the same trend.
Yougov shows almost the same results AUG. 17-19 as JUL. 13-15 (Clintons lead increased by one point in OH and IA).
The La Times shows that race for Aug 14-20 is almost the same as for Jul 14-20.

:) One more time:
Trend.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Maxwell on August 21, 2016, 12:47:06 pm
lol Ohio is not going to be more Democratic than the rest of the nation, friend. Ohio has always been a Republican leaning swing state.

The bump is fading, but it's showing a race that is still very distant for Mr. Trump.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: IceSpear on August 21, 2016, 12:49:35 pm
lol Ohio is not going to be more Democratic than the rest of the nation, friend. Ohio has always been a Republican leaning swing state.

And if anything Trump was supposed to make it more GOP leaning than usual, per the conventional wisdom and earlier polls.

In fact, this is the biggest lead she's had in ANY Ohio poll (aside from that junky Ballotpedia poll in June) since March.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Castro on August 21, 2016, 01:02:04 pm
lol Ohio is not going to be more Democratic than the rest of the nation, friend. Ohio has always been a Republican leaning swing state.

And if anything Trump was supposed to make it more GOP leaning than usual, per the conventional wisdom and earlier polls.

In fact, this is the biggest lead she's had in ANY Ohio poll (aside from that junky Ballotpedia poll in June) since March.

Not sure what's going on with Iowa, but the Ohio number jibes with 538's polls-only model polling average of Clinton +7.1.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Fmr Deputy Speaker Spark498 on August 21, 2016, 01:04:11 pm
The only poll that matters is on election day.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Castro on August 21, 2016, 01:05:17 pm
The only poll that matters is on election day.

-Everyone that ended up losing the election


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on August 21, 2016, 01:55:19 pm
The only poll that matters is on election day.

I said this in another thread recently, but it bears repeating here.

If you say the only poll that matters is on election day: you're losing.

If you have to adjust the poll numbers to get a favorable result: you're losing.

If you start talking about rigged elections: you're losing.

If you do all of these and it's three 2.5 months until election day: you're losing badly.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Xing on August 21, 2016, 01:56:42 pm
The only poll that matters is on election day.

Would you honestly say the same thing if this poll had Trump up 6 in Ohio?


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Badger on August 21, 2016, 02:59:45 pm
+6 in Ohio makes sense if Clinton is +10 or +11 in PA

What the hell is going on in Iowa?

seriously. lack of minorities.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: IceSpear on August 21, 2016, 03:05:26 pm
+6 in Ohio makes sense if Clinton is +10 or +11 in PA

What the hell is going on in Iowa?

seriously. lack of minorities.

He's not doing well (even relatively) in states like WI or NH though.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: pbrower2a on August 21, 2016, 03:07:40 pm
The only poll that matters is on election day.

So says just about every eventual loser, except in races that are or have been nearly tied.

Donald Trump needs some dynamic to deliver him from a landslide loss (please pardon the double alliterations!), and it is hard to imagine what such a dynamic is.

It's even getting late for a 1929-style crash; it's almost September.  


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Boston Bread on August 21, 2016, 03:08:10 pm
In IA, Trump is winning 9% of Democrats, and Clinton is winning 4% of Republicans. There seem to a real lack anti-Trump Republicans, for a state where Trump did poorly in the primaries.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: IceSpear on August 21, 2016, 03:10:20 pm
In IA, Trump is winning 9% of Democrats, and Clinton is winning 4% of Republicans. There seem to a real lack anti-Trump Republicans, for a state where Trump did poorly in the primaries.

That does make some sense. Are Ted Cruz/Steve King voters really going to bolt from Trump? I doubt it.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Dom. Pol. Councilor Dwarven Dragon on August 21, 2016, 03:12:51 pm
Remember how TYT was declaring IA "Safe D Forever!!!" after it voted to the left of PA in 2012? ROFL.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: heatcharger on August 21, 2016, 03:21:21 pm
Remember how TYT was declaring IA "Safe D Forever!!!" after it voted to the left of PA in 2012? ROFL.

Remember when you were on the "Hillary is a bad fit for CO" train? LMAO. And don't tell me her double digit lead there is exclusively because "Trump bad".


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Devout Centrist on August 21, 2016, 03:27:44 pm
Iowa's polling was closer than Ohio's in 2012 and yet, it voted to the left of the Buckeye state.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Dom. Pol. Councilor Dwarven Dragon on August 21, 2016, 04:05:56 pm
Remember how TYT was declaring IA "Safe D Forever!!!" after it voted to the left of PA in 2012? ROFL.

Remember when you were on the "Hillary is a bad fit for CO" train? LMAO. And don't tell me her double digit lead there is exclusively because "Trump bad".

I still think R's would have at least a nominal advantage in CO with a non-Trump candidate. And I never rated CO Safe R. In fact on at least one occasion I called out users who were giving it that rating.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Ronnie on August 21, 2016, 04:08:56 pm
I suppose Trump coming close in Iowa would be a silver lining in an otherwise grim electoral college landscape for Republicans.  Even a good Republican candidate in 2020 will have to play defense on so many fronts.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 21, 2016, 05:03:33 pm
Gender gap in Ohio is ridiculous. Trump is only winning men by 3%, while Clinton is winning women by 16%.

While large compared to presidential elections past, a 19 point differential isn't that remarkable by the standards of Clinton/Trump polls we've seen this year.  Some polls have shown the gender gap being 30 points or more.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Brittain33 on August 21, 2016, 05:03:36 pm
Trump's at 40% in Iowa. Is he doing well or is it just that Clinton is having a harder time closing the deal with undecideds than in other states?


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: pbrower2a on August 21, 2016, 05:15:45 pm
Trump's at 40% in Iowa. Is he doing well or is it just that Clinton is having a harder time closing the deal with undecideds than in other states?

Both are well under their parties' floors (about 45%), which of course means that one can conclude nothing from this poll in Iowa.

Ohio is in contrast big trouble for Donald Trump. Another must-win state (including Colorado, Florida, and Virginia) outside of the margin of error, and Colorado and Virginia far outside of the margin of error? I smell a landslide.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Badger on August 21, 2016, 05:18:33 pm
+6 in Ohio makes sense if Clinton is +10 or +11 in PA

What the hell is going on in Iowa?

seriously. lack of minorities.

He's not doing well (even relatively) in states like WI or NH though.

sorry. i meant "not enough minorities?" i'm genuinely confused.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: NOVA Green on August 21, 2016, 05:36:21 pm
Trump's at 40% in Iowa. Is he doing well or is it just that Clinton is having a harder time closing the deal with undecideds than in other states?

I think there are multiple factors at work, but it seems clear that Iowans aren't big fans of either candidate....

What is sometimes forgotten about Obama, is that he performed exceptionally well in the "Farm Belt" region of the Lower Midwest (Iowa, Rural Illinois, Indiana, etc...) perhaps the best performance for a Democrat since Dukakis in '88 at the height of the farm crisis, where many rural counties in this region swung heavily Democratic from Northern MO to Southern IA, etc....

Obama ran as a MidWest Democrat and in '08 on an anti-Iraq war platform, which appealed greatly to many in a part of the country where there is historical greater international isolationist and anti-interventionist attitudes than in many other parts of the country, and overperformed his national numbers in '08 and '12 in Iowa.

Iowa appears to be one of the few states where Hillary was not able to consolidate the '08/'12 Obama base, and additionally is still seen as fairly hawkish on foreign policy, supporter of free-trade agreements that cost American Mfg jobs, and connected to "big wall street banks" in a state which has a long populist tradition, large chunk of employment related to manufacturing jobs, where older individuals would rather invest their money into Credit Unions than the big banks.

Ok---- Not saying that I agree that all of these statements about Hillary are factually correct, but I can see how some of these older viewers could relate to Trump's "isolationist and economically protectionist and nativist" image.


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Crumpets on August 21, 2016, 05:43:10 pm
+6 in Ohio makes sense if Clinton is +10 or +11 in PA

What the hell is going on in Iowa?

seriously. lack of minorities.

He's not doing well (even relatively) in states like WI or NH though.

sorry. i meant "not enough minorities?" i'm genuinely confused.

Maybe,

Trump: "How stupid are the people of Iowa?!"

Iowans: "We're so sorry senpai! I hope he notices his poll numbers here and loves us again!"


Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: PikaTROD on August 22, 2016, 07:57:51 pm
You could say it's a tIe-owa in Iowa.
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Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Castro on August 22, 2016, 09:18:18 pm
You could say it's a tIe-owa in Iowa.
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Title: Re: CBS/YouGov: Clinton+6 in OH, IA very close
Post by: Arch on August 22, 2016, 09:23:47 pm
You could say it's a tIe-owa in Iowa.
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I don't know who you are but I hate you now.

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