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Title: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 09, 2016, 02:16:30 PM
With NC starting their absentee voting today, it's about time for a thread.

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In a possible sign of increased interest, 34,788 voters as of Friday had requested absentee ballots, according to the North Carolina State Board of Elections, up from about 25,600 from a similar timeframe in 2012.

Broken down by party, the requests were somewhat evenly divided — 37 percent Democrat to 35 percent Republican and 28 percent who were unaffiliated with a party. Ballots were being mailed Friday with votes likely to start arriving in the coming days.

Read more here:

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article100804337.html


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Maxwell on September 09, 2016, 02:20:31 PM
I don't know what early voting vs. election day voting looked like in 2012, but the margin between Democrat and Republican registration is a lot narrower than it was in 2012 (37-35 vs. 39-33).


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 09, 2016, 02:21:13 PM
Of the 28,187 NC ballots sent as of today:

81.6% White 11.2% Black 1.3% Asian 0.2% Native American

37.5% Dem 34.7% Rep 27.6% Unaffiliated 0.3% Lib


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on September 09, 2016, 02:23:28 PM
Go Hillary!!! Win NC.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 09, 2016, 02:23:52 PM
I don't know what early voting vs. election day voting looked like in 2012, but the margin between Democrat and Republican registration is a lot narrower than it was in 2012 (37-35 vs. 39-33).

The current voter registration in NC is 40% D, 30% R, 30% Others.

6.7 million registered voters altogether.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: LLR on September 09, 2016, 03:08:01 PM
There's that guy who tracks early voting, and I think from him early voting in NC in 2012 was +5-10 Republican.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: LLR on September 09, 2016, 03:21:14 PM
There's that guy who tracks early voting, and I think from him early voting in NC in 2012 was +5-10 Republican.

Link?

I forget, anyone else know what I mean? I recall it being in the previous NC early voting thread from a week or so ago.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Xing on September 09, 2016, 03:23:56 PM
The results so far don't look that great for Hillary (compared with 2012), but it's VERY early. I remember that when most of the early votes were counted in 2012, Obama had a narrow lead over Romney, but he ended up losing by 2. Kay Hagan had a larger lead once the early votes were counted, about 5 points, but she also lost.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on September 09, 2016, 03:49:21 PM
Of the 28,187 NC ballots sent as of today:

81.6% White 11.2% Black 1.3% Asian 0.2% Native American

37.5% Dem 34.7% Rep 27.6% Unaffiliated 0.3% Lib
Would you, please, link to the source?

Does it update every day?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on September 09, 2016, 04:33:43 PM
Interesting.  Keep in mind that the primary early vote was consistently very Trumpy, much more so than on election day in many competitive states.  I definitely am no going into this expecting Clinton to romp in the early vote like Obama generally did in 2012.  Trump's base is very enthusiastic, probably more so than Clinton's base.  The question is whether anti-Trump R's actually show up on election day.  Core NeverTrump types tend to be against early voting on principle.

Clinton also destroyed Sanders when it came to the early vote, in almost every state.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon on September 09, 2016, 04:34:58 PM
I don't know what early voting vs. election day voting looked like in 2012, but the margin between Democrat and Republican registration is a lot narrower than it was in 2012 (37-35 vs. 39-33).

The current voter registration in NC is 40% D, 30% R, 30% Others.

6.7 million registered voters altogether.

Before anyone screams "D+10! YEAH!!!", I would note that this was a state where there was a slew of rural counties voting for Sanders as an "anti-establishment" vote by nominal Democrats who will mostly vote for Trump in the general. So the D advantage is misleading.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on September 09, 2016, 05:20:44 PM
I don't know what early voting vs. election day voting looked like in 2012, but the margin between Democrat and Republican registration is a lot narrower than it was in 2012 (37-35 vs. 39-33).

The current voter registration in NC is 40% D, 30% R, 30% Others.

6.7 million registered voters altogether.

So did Democrats go from +2 to +10 since the primary?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: / on September 09, 2016, 06:59:39 PM
Considering the partisan difference in registration is D+10 but the partisan difference in early requests is only D+2, I'd say this is pretty good news for Republicans.

Of course, I know early requests generally skew Republican and yadda yadda yadda, but still.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on September 10, 2016, 02:49:31 PM
Of the 28,187 NC ballots sent as of today:

81.6% White 11.2% Black 1.3% Asian 0.2% Native American

37.5% Dem 34.7% Rep 27.6% Unaffiliated 0.3% Lib

Is this number updated daily or?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on September 10, 2016, 04:03:30 PM
I think, I founded the source, that updates (daily?).

There is probably a simpler way, who knows.

I founded it on http://www.ncsbe.gov/ (http://www.ncsbe.gov/)  "Download Data" section. If you then from  https://s3.amazonaws.com/dl.ncsbe.gov/list.html (https://s3.amazonaws.com/dl.ncsbe.gov/list.html) go to "ENRS/" folder and choose sort by "LastModified", you will find a file named "absentee11xx08xx2016.zip".

It is an csv file that can be opened for example by Excel.

According to it:

37810 have voted so far:

DEM: 14005, 37.0%
REP:  13165, 34.8%
LIB:      120,   0.3%
UNA: 10520, 27.8%


EDIT: last update was 11 hours ago. They probably won't update under weekend.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on September 10, 2016, 04:27:44 PM
I think, I founded the source, that updates (daily?).

There is probably a simpler way, who knows.

I founded it on http://www.ncsbe.gov/ (http://www.ncsbe.gov/)  "Download Data" section. If you then from  https://s3.amazonaws.com/dl.ncsbe.gov/list.html (https://s3.amazonaws.com/dl.ncsbe.gov/list.html) go to "ENRS/" folder and choose sort by "LastModified", you will find a file named "absentee11xx08xx2016.zip".

It is an csv file that can be opened for example by Excel.

According to it:

37810 have voted so far:

DEM: 14005, 37.0%
REP:  13165, 34.8%
LIB:      120,   0.3%
UNA: 10520, 27.8%

Thanks. Can you update those numbers for us every day?
IDK, probably. But I think, there are plenty of statistics junkies, who'd love to do it on daily basis.

Tender? :D


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on September 11, 2016, 09:00:30 AM
I've made a tiny Python script that shows demographics stats as well.

Total:
DEM    14006
REP    13169
UNA    10520
LIB      120

Men:
REP    5831
DEM    4935
UNA    4771
LIB      75

Women:
DEM    8864
REP    7199
UNA    5455
LIB      40

Undecided:
UNA    294
DEM    207
REP    139
LIB      5

18-29:
UNA    2494
DEM    2142
REP    1761
LIB      44

30-44:
DEM    1767
UNA    1652
REP    1397
LIB      45

45-64:
DEM    3173
REP    3123
UNA    2399
LIB      20

65 & over:
DEM    6924
REP    6888
UNA    3975
LIB      11

White:
REP    12488
DEM     9388
UNA     8746
LIB       90

Other: (includes UNDESIGNATED)
DEM    4618
UNA    1774
REP     681
LIB      30


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on September 11, 2016, 10:41:34 AM
I think, I founded the source, that updates (daily?)
37810 have voted so far:

Is that voted though, or requests?
https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/774603224967892992
Per Michael McDonald

As of yesterday in NC:
27 people have voted
37,758 outstanding ballot reqs


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on September 11, 2016, 10:54:50 AM
I think, I founded the source, that updates (daily?)
37810 have voted so far:

Is that voted though, or requests?
https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/774603224967892992
Per Michael McDonald

As of yesterday in NC:
27 people have voted
37,758 outstanding ballot reqs

Yes, you are right.

Requests.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on September 11, 2016, 02:12:25 PM
I wouldn't read too much into absentee ballot request data until closer to election day.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ag on September 12, 2016, 01:32:39 AM
 https://s3.amazonaws.com/dl.ncsbe.gov/list.html (https://s3.amazonaws.com/dl.ncsbe.gov/list.html)

Why not the direct link?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on September 12, 2016, 03:50:36 AM
 https://s3.amazonaws.com/dl.ncsbe.gov/list.html (https://s3.amazonaws.com/dl.ncsbe.gov/list.html)

Why not the direct link?
Because they might change the name of file. Who knows.

https://dl.ncsbe.gov.s3.amazonaws.com/ENRS/absentee11xx08xx2016.zip (https://dl.ncsbe.gov.s3.amazonaws.com/ENRS/absentee11xx08xx2016.zip)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on September 12, 2016, 09:17:33 AM
Can you just post the numbers? I can't find the right page.
This file
https://dl.ncsbe.gov.s3.amazonaws.com/ENRS/absentee11xx08xx2016.zip (https://dl.ncsbe.gov.s3.amazonaws.com/ENRS/absentee11xx08xx2016.zip)

Column "ballot_request_party"

They updated the zip-file today (they seem to update it each morning), but the data itself hasn't been updated..


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: jman123 on September 12, 2016, 10:10:47 AM
Sept 24 NJ starts mailing main in ballots


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on September 12, 2016, 05:17:45 PM
It is, of course, to early (just 38K so far have requested a ballot vs 2.7M that voted in 2012). But still:

Cumulative sum by date of request (Note: overlapping!!):
green = unaffiliated

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on September 12, 2016, 05:40:57 PM
They haven't changed since this post ↓↓↓
Total:
DEM    14006
REP     13169
UNA    10520
LIB         120


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on September 13, 2016, 02:05:21 PM
https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/774245192467480577
Is there a way to track daily stats by demographics?

9/9/16, Michael said

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Of the 28,187 NC ballots sent as of today:
81.6% White
11.2% Black
1.3% Asian
0.2% Native American

which seems like a huge Dem lead (ignoring the close voter registration), so it's either out of context, or not really that great historically?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on September 13, 2016, 02:16:00 PM
https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/774245192467480577
Is there a way to track daily stats by demographics?
Yes, https://dl.ncsbe.gov.s3.amazonaws.com/ENRS/absentee11xx08xx2016.zip (https://dl.ncsbe.gov.s3.amazonaws.com/ENRS/absentee11xx08xx2016.zip)



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on September 13, 2016, 03:22:38 PM
Oops, never bothered to open the file. I thought I read on his feed 80% of early ballots were Black, I was dyslexic.

By gender, I see 22.8K female ballots (57%) and 16.6k male ballots (41%). Hope I didn't butcher that number.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on September 14, 2016, 07:19:09 AM
Total requested ballots (compared to 09/13):
DEM                    15682 (+897)
REP                     14873 (+872)
UNA                    11839 (+680)
LIB                          138 (+  11)

Total returned and accepted ballots (compared to 09/13):
DEM                       163 (+83)
REP                          92 (+47)
UNA                         81 (+35)
LIB                             2 (+  1)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on September 14, 2016, 07:46:21 AM
Total requested ballots (compared to 09/13):
DEM                    15682 (+897)
REP                     14873 (+872)
UNA                    11839 (+680)
LIB                          138 (+  11)

Total returned and accepted ballots (compared to 09/13):
DEM                       163 (+83)
REP                          92 (+47)
UNA                         81 (+35)
LIB                             2 (+  1)

50% increase for the Libertarians!!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: JerryArkansas on September 14, 2016, 07:48:50 AM
Not looking too bad with the Absentee's from North Carolina.  Real test is the early voting in the state, not these.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on September 15, 2016, 05:51:52 AM
Total requested ballots (compared to morning 09/14):
DEM                    16629 (+  947)
REP                     15886 (+1013)
UNA                    12685 (+  846)
LIB                         145 (+     7)

Total returned and accepted ballots (compared to morning 09/14):
DEM                       257 (+94)
REP                        154 (+62)
UNA                       131 (+50)
LIB                            3 (+  1)
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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on September 15, 2016, 10:12:52 AM
Early surge in absentee requests from Youngstown, Ohio.

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Nearly 6,500 Mahoning County voters already have requested absentee ballots to vote by mail – considerably more than the amount sought during the 2012 presidential election at this point.

The board of elections had processed 3,979 absentee ballot applications as of Wednesday and had another 2,500 at its office that day waiting to be opened, said Director Joyce Kale-Pesta. In comparison, the board processed 2,461 absentee requests in 2012 as of Sept. 14 of that year, said Chris Rakocy, its information technology manager.

“We’re way ahead of the curve on early voting compared to 2012,” Kale-Pesta said. “That’s a considerable amount of requests. We’re already getting a lot of calls about in-office voting.”

The board should get significantly more absentee requests in the coming days, she said, because the Ohio Secretary of State’s Office mailed absentee ballot applications to registered voters statewide about a week ago.

In 2012, 44,319 Mahoning County residents voted early with 30,852 by mail and 13,467 in person at the board office on Oak Hill Avenue. The secretary of state sent absentee ballot applications that year.

In 2008, when no application letters were sent, there were 42,574 early voters in Mahoning County with 26,686 by mail and 15,888 in person at the board.

As of Wednesday, there are 164,467 registered voters in Mahoning County, Rakocy said.

http://www.vindy.com/news/2016/sep/15/requests-to-vote-by-mail-surge-above--le/?mobile


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on September 15, 2016, 10:20:08 AM
Early surge in absentee requests from Youngstown, Ohio.

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Nearly 6,500 Mahoning County voters already have requested absentee ballots to vote by mail – considerably more than the amount sought during the 2012 presidential election at this point.

The board of elections had processed 3,979 absentee ballot applications as of Wednesday and had another 2,500 at its office that day waiting to be opened, said Director Joyce Kale-Pesta. In comparison, the board processed 2,461 absentee requests in 2012 as of Sept. 14 of that year, said Chris Rakocy, its information technology manager.

“We’re way ahead of the curve on early voting compared to 2012,” Kale-Pesta said. “That’s a considerable amount of requests. We’re already getting a lot of calls about in-office voting.”

The board should get significantly more absentee requests in the coming days, she said, because the Ohio Secretary of State’s Office mailed absentee ballot applications to registered voters statewide about a week ago.

In 2012, 44,319 Mahoning County residents voted early with 30,852 by mail and 13,467 in person at the board office on Oak Hill Avenue. The secretary of state sent absentee ballot applications that year.

In 2008, when no application letters were sent, there were 42,574 early voters in Mahoning County with 26,686 by mail and 15,888 in person at the board.

As of Wednesday, there are 164,467 registered voters in Mahoning County, Rakocy said.

http://www.vindy.com/news/2016/sep/15/requests-to-vote-by-mail-surge-above--le/?mobile

Hopefully a good sign.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: KingSweden on September 15, 2016, 10:34:41 AM
Early surge in absentee requests from Youngstown, Ohio.

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Nearly 6,500 Mahoning County voters already have requested absentee ballots to vote by mail – considerably more than the amount sought during the 2012 presidential election at this point.

The board of elections had processed 3,979 absentee ballot applications as of Wednesday and had another 2,500 at its office that day waiting to be opened, said Director Joyce Kale-Pesta. In comparison, the board processed 2,461 absentee requests in 2012 as of Sept. 14 of that year, said Chris Rakocy, its information technology manager.

“We’re way ahead of the curve on early voting compared to 2012,” Kale-Pesta said. “That’s a considerable amount of requests. We’re already getting a lot of calls about in-office voting.”

The board should get significantly more absentee requests in the coming days, she said, because the Ohio Secretary of State’s Office mailed absentee ballot applications to registered voters statewide about a week ago.

In 2012, 44,319 Mahoning County residents voted early with 30,852 by mail and 13,467 in person at the board office on Oak Hill Avenue. The secretary of state sent absentee ballot applications that year.

In 2008, when no application letters were sent, there were 42,574 early voters in Mahoning County with 26,686 by mail and 15,888 in person at the board.

As of Wednesday, there are 164,467 registered voters in Mahoning County, Rakocy said.

http://www.vindy.com/news/2016/sep/15/requests-to-vote-by-mail-surge-above--le/?mobile

Hopefully a good sign.

I wouldn't be so sure. This is an area I expect to swing to Trump (though I think Clinton will very narrowly carry Mahoning)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: jman123 on September 15, 2016, 12:18:07 PM
This could be a Trump surge


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on September 15, 2016, 03:39:02 PM
Isn't the City of Youngstown itself pretty black?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Cruzcrew on September 15, 2016, 04:42:15 PM
Isn't the City of Youngstown itself pretty black?

Yep the black and white population there is pretty equal at roughly 45%.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on September 15, 2016, 05:08:24 PM
Early surge in absentee requests from Youngstown, Ohio.

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Nearly 6,500 Mahoning County voters already have requested absentee ballots to vote by mail – considerably more than the amount sought during the 2012 presidential election at this point.

The board of elections had processed 3,979 absentee ballot applications as of Wednesday and had another 2,500 at its office that day waiting to be opened, said Director Joyce Kale-Pesta. In comparison, the board processed 2,461 absentee requests in 2012 as of Sept. 14 of that year, said Chris Rakocy, its information technology manager.

“We’re way ahead of the curve on early voting compared to 2012,” Kale-Pesta said. “That’s a considerable amount of requests. We’re already getting a lot of calls about in-office voting.”

The board should get significantly more absentee requests in the coming days, she said, because the Ohio Secretary of State’s Office mailed absentee ballot applications to registered voters statewide about a week ago.

In 2012, 44,319 Mahoning County residents voted early with 30,852 by mail and 13,467 in person at the board office on Oak Hill Avenue. The secretary of state sent absentee ballot applications that year.

In 2008, when no application letters were sent, there were 42,574 early voters in Mahoning County with 26,686 by mail and 15,888 in person at the board.

As of Wednesday, there are 164,467 registered voters in Mahoning County, Rakocy said.

http://www.vindy.com/news/2016/sep/15/requests-to-vote-by-mail-surge-above--le/?mobile

Hopefully a good sign.

I wouldn't be so sure. This is an area I expect to swing to Trump (though I think Clinton will very narrowly carry Mahoning)

Nah, Hillary will still crush him there.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Buffalo Bill on September 15, 2016, 05:18:07 PM
Very fishy


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: KingSweden on September 15, 2016, 05:55:03 PM
Early surge in absentee requests from Youngstown, Ohio.

Quote
Nearly 6,500 Mahoning County voters already have requested absentee ballots to vote by mail – considerably more than the amount sought during the 2012 presidential election at this point.

The board of elections had processed 3,979 absentee ballot applications as of Wednesday and had another 2,500 at its office that day waiting to be opened, said Director Joyce Kale-Pesta. In comparison, the board processed 2,461 absentee requests in 2012 as of Sept. 14 of that year, said Chris Rakocy, its information technology manager.

“We’re way ahead of the curve on early voting compared to 2012,” Kale-Pesta said. “That’s a considerable amount of requests. We’re already getting a lot of calls about in-office voting.”

The board should get significantly more absentee requests in the coming days, she said, because the Ohio Secretary of State’s Office mailed absentee ballot applications to registered voters statewide about a week ago.

In 2012, 44,319 Mahoning County residents voted early with 30,852 by mail and 13,467 in person at the board office on Oak Hill Avenue. The secretary of state sent absentee ballot applications that year.

In 2008, when no application letters were sent, there were 42,574 early voters in Mahoning County with 26,686 by mail and 15,888 in person at the board.

As of Wednesday, there are 164,467 registered voters in Mahoning County, Rakocy said.

http://www.vindy.com/news/2016/sep/15/requests-to-vote-by-mail-surge-above--le/?mobile

Hopefully a good sign.

I wouldn't be so sure. This is an area I expect to swing to Trump (though I think Clinton will very narrowly carry Mahoning)

Nah, Hillary will still crush him there.

Curious what your reasoning is (I know little of Youngstown area but heard estimates that between 20-30% of union members are voting for Trump)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on September 15, 2016, 07:11:16 PM

Of course it is.



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: heatcharger on September 15, 2016, 11:15:17 PM
Democratic ballot requests are way up compared to 2012 in NC. (https://twitter.com/electproject/status/776629943438446592)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 15, 2016, 11:17:46 PM
Democratic ballot requests are way up compared to 2012 in NC. (https://twitter.com/electproject/status/776629943438446592)

He also tweets:

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These (note from Tender: 40K so far) are small drop in the bucket of NC early voters, who will be >2.5 million, so I don't read too much in this.

So, not even 2% of the expected early vote has even requested ballots ... (or 1% of the expected overall vote).


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on September 15, 2016, 11:21:20 PM
Yes, very early, but still encouraging about the strength of the Dem ground game.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on September 16, 2016, 07:06:35 AM
Yes, very early, but still encouraging about the strength of the Dem ground game.

This is also encouraging:

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Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  8h8 hours ago
Michael McDonald Retweeted Michael McDonald
Possible clue is the large number of women (need to make 2012 comparison). Missing story women supporting Clinton?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on September 16, 2016, 08:53:16 AM
https://twitter.com/wegetmessages/status/776654203557064704
Still very early, not many ballots returned, and not significant compared to actual in person early vote.

Someone found it similar to 2012.

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Badger on September 16, 2016, 08:46:54 PM
Isn't the City of Youngstown itself pretty black?

Yep the black and white population there is pretty equal at roughly 45%.

Yeah, but not the county as a whole by a long shot.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: heatcharger on September 18, 2016, 08:31:23 AM
Dr. Michael Blitzer is doing some analysis of the early voting in NC: http://www.oldnorthstatepolitics.com/

Some interesting graphs:

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Obviously in 2012 Republicans started dominating early voting at 51 days before the election, but the outstanding main-in ballots seem to be split still between Dems and GOP.

Let's see if Democrats hold their lead for a large period of time.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on September 18, 2016, 04:48:40 PM
A similar pattern is seen in Maine as Dems are in the very early going outpacing their 2012 early turnout. We'll see if it holds up

https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/777622513975042048


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Classic Conservative on September 18, 2016, 05:05:08 PM
A similar pattern is seen in Maine as Dems are in the very early going outpacing their 2012 early turnout. We'll see if it holds up

https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/777622513975042048
Did you even read that he said he's going to compare it with 2012 later tonight?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Classic Conservative on September 18, 2016, 07:36:16 PM
In Maine Republican and Democratic ballot request are both ahead of 2012, but more so Republicans. Unenrolled down though. https://mobile.twitter.com/ElectProject/status/777661571673694208


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: MT Treasurer on September 18, 2016, 07:53:59 PM
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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Xing on September 18, 2016, 08:13:59 PM
It's early, but those don't seem to suggest an enormous Republican trend in the state, which would be necessary to flip ME-02.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on September 18, 2016, 08:18:54 PM
It's early, but those don't seem to suggest an enormous Republican trend in the state, which would be necessary to flip ME-02.

Yeah, it looks like from those CD breakdowns that Clinton would win CD-2 by 3-5 points as long as that trend continued. Maine would shift 2-3 points right but not into any kind of battleground status


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on September 18, 2016, 08:49:49 PM
When does by mail voting start for Oregon? I really want to vote CLINTON and all the way down the ticket for every democrat on this years ballot. Badly.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Eraserhead on September 19, 2016, 12:58:29 AM
I think early voting is just becoming more popular in general. It's probably too early to glean much more than that from this info.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: KingSweden on September 19, 2016, 09:06:18 AM
I think early voting is just becoming more popular in general. It's probably too early to glean much more than that from this info.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: MT Treasurer on September 19, 2016, 02:34:20 PM
North Carolina numbers:

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Wells on September 19, 2016, 02:58:02 PM
I decided to make a map because why not. Shading is based on the party registration of accepted ballots.

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Democrats 44
Began 14
Hasn't begun 480

I'll just be updating this based on what I see in this thread.

Updates: Dems still ahead in NC (by enough to where I can assume Clinton is likely leading), and FL released their numbers (currently 3-1 Dem).


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on September 19, 2016, 04:09:40 PM
I'm likely voting early so that I can spend election day giving people rides to the polls.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: MT Treasurer on September 20, 2016, 11:43:04 AM
NC absentee ballots through 9/19

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on September 20, 2016, 11:46:14 AM
https://twitter.com/WinWithJMC/status/778189996461330432

18% are overseas ballots and are 50-23% Dem/Rep;

82% are "domestic" ballots and are 39-37% Dem.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on September 20, 2016, 11:48:45 AM
The numbers so far are definitely not great for the GOP if they wanted to replicate their 2012 victory in the state. Obviously things can and will change, but I think we might be seeing the first signs of Clinton's ground game massively outclassing Trump's. Considering the age skew of the absentee ballots, the GOP absolutely should be leading.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Classic Conservative on September 20, 2016, 01:02:14 PM
FL has released their absentee requests by county and party.
https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on September 20, 2016, 01:48:29 PM
FL has released their absentee requests by county and party.
https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats
Hard to conclude much when Miami Dade isn't included in the numbers yet.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Classic Conservative on September 20, 2016, 01:58:12 PM
FL has released their absentee requests by county and party.
https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats
Hard to conclude much when Miami Dade isn't included in the numbers yet.
Yeah but we have big numbers in Pinellas and Orange and Hillsborough are both close


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on September 20, 2016, 01:59:38 PM
FL has released their absentee requests by county and party.
https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats
Hard to conclude much when Miami Dade isn't included in the numbers yet.
Yeah but we have big numbers in Pinellas and Orange and Hillsborough are both close
We also regrettably don't (as far as I know) have data from 2012 to compare to.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: JerryArkansas on September 20, 2016, 03:25:38 PM
FL has released their absentee requests by county and party.
https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats
Hard to conclude much when Miami Dade isn't included in the numbers yet.
Yeah but we have big numbers in Pinellas and Orange and Hillsborough are both close
Don't read too much into that.  Most new people seem to register as non-affiliated in Florida, heavily so in the case of those from Puerto Rico.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on September 20, 2016, 05:10:40 PM
https://twitter.com/IAStartingLine/status/778326496599429120

Follow IAStartingLine for good analysis in Iowa. Dems are 45% compared to 2012, GOP at 102%. BUT, Dems have delayed sending ballots since their studies show sending it too early confuses people... It could also show lack of enthusiasm.



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on September 20, 2016, 05:12:02 PM
FL has released their absentee requests by county and party.
https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats
Hard to conclude much when Miami Dade isn't included in the numbers yet.

No numbers for Palm Beach County either


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: MT Treasurer on September 20, 2016, 10:13:27 PM
https://twitter.com/IAStartingLine/status/778326496599429120

Follow IAStartingLine for good analysis in Iowa. Dems are 45% compared to 2012, GOP at 102%. BUT, Dems have delayed sending ballots since their studies show sending it too early confuses people... It could also show lack of enthusiasm.

Party         Today           Then       % Diff

Democrat    43,443    97,001    45%
Republican 15,272    14,909    102%
No Party    16,180    30,083    54%
Other         178          128       139%


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Cruzcrew on September 21, 2016, 05:55:07 AM
https://twitter.com/IAStartingLine/status/778326496599429120

Follow IAStartingLine for good analysis in Iowa. Dems are 45% compared to 2012, GOP at 102%. BUT, Dems have delayed sending ballots since their studies show sending it too early confuses people... It could also show lack of enthusiasm.

Party         Today           Then       % Diff

Democrat    43,443    97,001    45%
Republican 15,272    14,909    102%
No Party    16,180    30,083    54%
Other         178          128       139%

I guess this could indicate a lot of ordinarily Democratic Iowa early voters are undecided this time. I wonder how big the swing is gonna be.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on September 21, 2016, 06:00:26 AM
https://twitter.com/IAStartingLine/status/778326496599429120

Follow IAStartingLine for good analysis in Iowa. Dems are 45% compared to 2012, GOP at 102%. BUT, Dems have delayed sending ballots since their studies show sending it too early confuses people... It could also show lack of enthusiasm.

Party         Today           Then       % Diff

Democrat    43,443    97,001    45%
Republican 15,272    14,909    102%
No Party    16,180    30,083    54%
Other         178          128       139%

He says the ballots have already been sent out for local candidates and they are seeing margins that parallel 2012. It's 99% due to the Clinton campaign waiting a week or two to get them sent. Notice the GOP number is hardly different at this stage. That's the number you have to watch for increased turnout on the GOP side


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on September 21, 2016, 06:04:18 AM
Hopefully we see a huge democratic upswing soon.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on September 21, 2016, 06:10:41 AM
https://twitter.com/IAStartingLine/status/778326496599429120

Follow IAStartingLine for good analysis in Iowa. Dems are 45% compared to 2012, GOP at 102%. BUT, Dems have delayed sending ballots since their studies show sending it too early confuses people... It could also show lack of enthusiasm.

Party         Today           Then       % Diff

Democrat    43,443    97,001    45%
Republican 15,272    14,909    102%
No Party    16,180    30,083    54%
Other         178          128       139%

He says the ballots have already been sent out for local candidates and they are seeing margins that parallel 2012. It's 99% due to the Clinton campaign waiting a week or two to get them sent. Notice the GOP number is hardly different at this stage. That's the number you have to watch for increased turnout on the GOP side

I've done some reading and yes, Clinton is delaying the absentee campaign, while the GOP is keeping the same schedule, which does explain why the GOP is roughly on par with 2012 and the Dems are behind.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: MT Treasurer on September 21, 2016, 02:00:44 PM
NC absentee ballots through 9/21

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Sorenroy on September 21, 2016, 02:29:32 PM
Well, early voting from that Old North site show Democrats holding longer than in 2012.

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Also, while the Democrats and Unaffiliateds are ahead of their 2012 numbers, Republicans are lagging behind.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ‼realJohnEwards‼ on September 21, 2016, 02:31:17 PM
Great news! NC will definitely be down to the wire this year


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 21, 2016, 02:33:33 PM
Guys, while these updates are interesting they are virtually meaningless at this point.

Only 4.000 ballots have been returned in NC so far, out of an expected total vote of 4.5 million

That's not even 1/1000 votes ...


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ‼realJohnEwards‼ on September 21, 2016, 02:35:52 PM
Guys, while these updates are interesting they are virtually meaningless at this point.

Only 4.000 ballots have been returned in NC so far, out of an expected total vote of 4.5 million

That's not even 1/1000 votes ...
Yeah, but in the sense these results are like one huge poll (though obviously with some differences). Clinton outperforming Obama so much in a state that Obama lost so narrowly is very good news indeed


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 21, 2016, 02:38:10 PM
Guys, while these updates are interesting they are virtually meaningless at this point.

Only 4.000 ballots have been returned in NC so far, out of an expected total vote of 4.5 million

That's not even 1/1000 votes ...
Yeah, but in the sense these results are like one huge poll (though obviously with some differences). Clinton outperforming Obama so much in a state that Obama lost so narrowly is very good news indeed

No, this is not like a poll at all. Because it's non-representative. That's like arguing Romney wins VA, just because he's ahead 60-40 with 1% of the precincts reporting ... (not to mention this is only 0.07% of precincts "reporting" for NC).


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ‼realJohnEwards‼ on September 21, 2016, 02:40:35 PM
Guys, while these updates are interesting they are virtually meaningless at this point.

Only 4.000 ballots have been returned in NC so far, out of an expected total vote of 4.5 million

That's not even 1/1000 votes ...
Yeah, but in the sense these results are like one huge poll (though obviously with some differences). Clinton outperforming Obama so much in a state that Obama lost so narrowly is very good news indeed

No, this is not like a poll at all. Because it's non-representative. That's like arguing Romney wins VA, just because he's ahead 60-40 with 1% of the precincts reporting ... (not to mention this is only 0.07% of precincts "reporting" for NC).
I never claimed it was representative... I pointed out that the trend line seems to favor Clinton.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 21, 2016, 02:42:05 PM
Guys, while these updates are interesting they are virtually meaningless at this point.

Only 4.000 ballots have been returned in NC so far, out of an expected total vote of 4.5 million

That's not even 1/1000 votes ...
Yeah, but in the sense these results are like one huge poll (though obviously with some differences). Clinton outperforming Obama so much in a state that Obama lost so narrowly is very good news indeed

No, this is not like a poll at all. Because it's non-representative. That's like arguing Romney wins VA, just because he's ahead 60-40 with 1% of the precincts reporting ... (not to mention this is only 0.07% of precincts "reporting" for NC).
I never claimed it was representative... I pointed out that the trend line seems to favor Clinton.

We can only see if this is true if the "trend" holds up if for example 2 million absentee/early votes are in ... but not just 4.000.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: indietraveler on September 21, 2016, 08:10:19 PM
https://twitter.com/IAStartingLine/status/778326496599429120

Follow IAStartingLine for good analysis in Iowa. Dems are 45% compared to 2012, GOP at 102%. BUT, Dems have delayed sending ballots since their studies show sending it too early confuses people... It could also show lack of enthusiasm.

Party         Today           Then       % Diff

Democrat    43,443    97,001    45%
Republican 15,272    14,909    102%
No Party    16,180    30,083    54%
Other         178          128       139%

He says the ballots have already been sent out for local candidates and they are seeing margins that parallel 2012. It's 99% due to the Clinton campaign waiting a week or two to get them sent. Notice the GOP number is hardly different at this stage. That's the number you have to watch for increased turnout on the GOP side

I've done some reading and yes, Clinton is delaying the absentee campaign, while the GOP is keeping the same schedule, which does explain why the GOP is roughly on par with 2012 and the Dems are behind.

Thanks for the info. As someone who has voted by mail since 2008 I was wondering when I was even going to receive my request notice to send in for a ballot. Mine still hasn't come yet. Those dem numbers should definitely spike then over the next month.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Adam Griffin on September 21, 2016, 09:34:10 PM
The huge number of absentee ballot requests among college-aged voters in NC: did that happen four years ago as well?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Adam Griffin on September 21, 2016, 09:57:47 PM
Absentee ballots started going out in Georgia yesterday, according to the data available from SoS. It's a shame that they don't have an option for viewing all of the state's data at once: it's broken down into individual files for each county regardless of how you sort it. No data on race or age in there, either. :( Here are the mailed absentee totals for the 25 counties with the most requests (60% of state's population):

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COBB   8789
FULTON   8496
DEKALB   6117
GWINNETT   2278
CHATHAM   1877
MUSCOGEE   1604
FORSYTH   1558
BIBB   1428
CHEROKEE   1373
RICHMOND   1323
HENRY   1322
PAULDING   1175
HALL   1052
HOUSTON   940
COLUMBIA   920
CLAYTON   813
FAYETTE   751
LOWNDES   728
RABUN   767
TROUP   752
GLYNN   723
DOUGLAS   691
NEWTON   689
CAMDEN   680
WALTON   631
   
TOTAL   47477


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: KingSweden on September 21, 2016, 10:08:02 PM
Do Georgia absentee ballots usually skew pretty R?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on September 22, 2016, 03:13:34 PM
https://twitter.com/NCCivitas/status/779037596265619456
http://www.carolinatransparency.com/votetracker/

Civitas has an easy vote/registration tracker here.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on September 22, 2016, 03:14:51 PM
Absentee ballots started going out in Georgia yesterday, according to the data available from SoS. It's a shame that they don't have an option for viewing all of the state's data at once: it's broken down into individual files for each county regardless of how you sort it. No data on race or age in there, either. :( Here are the mailed absentee totals for the 25 counties with the most requests (60% of state's population):

Quote
COBB   8789
FULTON   8496
DEKALB   6117
GWINNETT   2278
CHATHAM   1877
MUSCOGEE   1604
FORSYTH   1558
BIBB   1428
CHEROKEE   1373
RICHMOND   1323
HENRY   1322
PAULDING   1175
HALL   1052
HOUSTON   940
COLUMBIA   920
CLAYTON   813
FAYETTE   751
LOWNDES   728
RABUN   767
TROUP   752
GLYNN   723
DOUGLAS   691
NEWTON   689
CAMDEN   680
WALTON   631
   
TOTAL   47477
https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/779045369632034817
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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on September 22, 2016, 03:16:11 PM
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Democrats maintaining an edge in requested absentee ballots in North Carolina. Anyone have any idea when the GOP took the lead last cycle?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: TarHeelDem on September 22, 2016, 03:23:18 PM
Well, early voting from that Old North site show Democrats holding longer than in 2012.

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Also, while the Democrats and Unaffiliateds are ahead of their 2012 numbers, Republicans are lagging behind.

According to this graph the GOP took the lead 51 days before Election Day last cycle.

While this is good news, my worry is that a lot of White conservative Democrats that haven't voted in ages have been reengaged by Trump and that passion is partially at work here. Or maybe this is all just a sign of Clinton's superior ground game.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on September 22, 2016, 03:27:26 PM
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Democrats maintaining an edge in requested absentee ballots in North Carolina. Anyone have any idea when the GOP took the lead last cycle?

The GOP took the lead 3 or 4 days earlier than this in 2012 so they are lagging by quite a bit. Dem ballot requests are still above 2012 levels


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon on September 22, 2016, 08:44:55 PM
MSNBC just announced the party registration of the first 4,000 returned absentee ballots in NC:

Democrat 42%
Republican 34%
Unaffiliated 25%
Libertarian <1%

Obviously we don't know exactly who these votes were cast for, but a eight point registration lead has to mean something good for Clinton. And before anyone says "DIXIECRATS!", it was also mentioned that at this point in 2012, Republicans had a 5% lead in this statistic.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on September 22, 2016, 08:56:14 PM
I'd say it is encouraging for Clinton, but we will have to wait and see.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ElectionsGuy on September 22, 2016, 08:57:32 PM
Don't absentee votes generally favor Democrats? We can't tell anything from this yet.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: heatcharger on September 22, 2016, 09:03:57 PM
Don't absentee votes generally favor Democrats? We can't tell anything from this yet.

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Democrats are outperforming their 2012 numbers and the GOP is underperforming.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on September 22, 2016, 09:18:28 PM
Don't absentee votes generally favor Democrats? We can't tell anything from this yet.

Nope, they usually favor the GOP

Edit: Iowa is a rare exception


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on September 22, 2016, 09:23:14 PM
Don't absentee votes generally favor Democrats? We can't tell anything from this yet.
Absentee ballots usually favor the GOP while in person early voting favors Democrats.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Panda Express on September 22, 2016, 11:12:54 PM
MSNBC just announced the party registration of the first 4,000 returned absentee ballots in NC:

Democrat 42%
Republican 34%
Unaffiliated 25%
Libertarian <1%

Obviously we don't know exactly who these votes were cast for, but a eight point registration lead has to mean something good for Clinton. And before anyone says "DIXIECRATS!", it was also mentioned that at this point in 2012, Republicans had a 5% lead in this statistic.

I'm ready to project a winner

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Xing on September 23, 2016, 12:11:59 AM
Well, early voting from that Old North site show Democrats holding longer than in 2012.

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Also, while the Democrats and Unaffiliateds are ahead of their 2012 numbers, Republicans are lagging behind.

According to this graph the GOP took the lead 51 days before Election Day last cycle.

While this is good news, my worry is that a lot of White conservative Democrats that haven't voted in ages have been reengaged by Trump and that passion is partially at work here. Or maybe this is all just a sign of Clinton's superior ground game.

My guess would be that it's a bit of both. Overall, these numbers are looking good so far, but it is still very early.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: JerryArkansas on September 23, 2016, 08:14:53 AM
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What will be interesting about this is, are these Democratic votes election day and early votes being turned or is this something bigger.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Classic Conservative on September 23, 2016, 09:54:45 AM
Per Nate Cohn's model Trump has a two point lead with the NC Ballots.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/779332855084220416


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on September 23, 2016, 10:03:17 AM
That... doesn't make sense.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on September 23, 2016, 10:23:10 AM
He also noted this represents an improvement from 2012.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: JerryArkansas on September 23, 2016, 10:23:59 AM
Per Nate Cohn's model Trump has a two point lead with the NC Ballots.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/779332855084220416
Which is way down from 2012, or did you not what to add that part as well.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on September 23, 2016, 11:22:11 AM
Interesting in the Maine data that both R and D are up in CD1 but down in CD2, which pretty much cancel out in the statewide numbers.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 23, 2016, 11:28:48 AM
In Iowa, Dems typically have a huge early advantage in requested ballots - but that doesn't mean anything for the election day result, or the total early/absentee vote (because the margin narrows the closer you get to election day):

So far, about 91.000 ballots were requested, with a 56% D 21% R split.

During roughly the same time in 2014, about 147.000 ballots were requested, with a 53% D 27% R split.

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More than a month from the election, already 145,890 voters have requested ballots. An average of more than 8,000 new mail ballot requests were made each day this week (of the four days of new reports). At this pace — which typically only increases as November nears — either Iowa will set a record for the share of early voting in a midterm election or Election Day turnout will very high. I would not be surprised if both come to pass given the intense interest in the Braley (D) - Ernst (R) Senate matchup.

Democrats have a commanding lead among Iowa’s mail ballot requests. Registered Democrats comprise 52.6 percent of Iowans who have requested ballots so far, while Republicans compose only 26.7 percent.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: KingSweden on September 23, 2016, 11:35:30 AM
He also noted this represents an improvement from 2012.

So it is an improvement, just not "huge D lead!" As some have interpreted. Still, fits CV of them doing better


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 23, 2016, 11:38:23 AM
FL already has over 2 million ballots requested, which split 43% R and 37% D (see post from TN volunteer slightly above).

In Mid-October 2014, there were also more than 2 million ballots requested in FL, and the split was 42% R, 39% D ...

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Florida Democrats point to a narrower Republican lead among the 2.4 million requested ballots, 42 percent to 39 percent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-p-mcdonald/early-voting-picking-up-s_b_5973716.html


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: KingSweden on September 23, 2016, 11:44:19 AM
FL already has over 2 million ballots requested, which split 43% R and 37% D (see post from TN volunteer slightly above).

In Mid-October 2014, there were also more than 2 million ballots requested in FL, and the split was 42% R, 39% D ...

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Florida Democrats point to a narrower Republican lead among the 2.4 million requested ballots, 42 percent to 39 percent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-p-mcdonald/early-voting-picking-up-s_b_5973716.html

So a month ahead of schedule to hit same # of requested absentees? Interesting.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on September 23, 2016, 11:44:57 AM
FL already has over 2 million ballots requested, which split 43% R and 37% D (see post from TN volunteer slightly above).

In Mid-October 2014, there were also more than 2 million ballots requested in FL, and the split was 42% R, 39% D ...

Quote
Florida Democrats point to a narrower Republican lead among the 2.4 million requested ballots, 42 percent to 39 percent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-p-mcdonald/early-voting-picking-up-s_b_5973716.html

So a month ahead of schedule to hit same # of requested absentees? Interesting.

Midterm vs Presidential year is not a great comparison.  Is there any data from 2012?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on September 23, 2016, 11:50:02 AM
FL already has over 2 million ballots requested, which split 43% R and 37% D (see post from TN volunteer slightly above).

In Mid-October 2014, there were also more than 2 million ballots requested in FL, and the split was 42% R, 39% D ...

Quote
Florida Democrats point to a narrower Republican lead among the 2.4 million requested ballots, 42 percent to 39 percent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-p-mcdonald/early-voting-picking-up-s_b_5973716.html

So a month ahead of schedule to hit same # of requested absentees? Interesting.

Midterm vs Presidential year is not a great comparison.  Is there any data from 2012?

Not on the SoS website.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Matty on September 23, 2016, 12:04:50 PM
Didn't we learn in 2014 that using early/absentee data to extraploate things can put egg on your face?

People thought Hagan was going to coast to victory based just on favorable absentee data out of NC in 2014.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Xing on September 23, 2016, 12:58:51 PM
The Republican surge in Maine doesn't look like it's happening just yet. I suppose it's possible that Trump is winning unaffiliated voters by a wide margin, or a lot of Democrats are voting for Trump, but those numbers alone suggest a very slight R trend in ME-02, rather than a 9% swing or greater.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: swf541 on September 23, 2016, 01:10:18 PM
Didn't we learn in 2014 that using early/absentee data to extraploate things can put egg on your face?

People thought Hagan was going to coast to victory based just on favorable absentee data out of NC in 2014.

Definitely true, but there isnt harm in comparing and noticing the differences compared to 2012


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Doimper on September 23, 2016, 03:26:11 PM
FL already has over 2 million ballots requested, which split 43% R and 37% D (see post from TN volunteer slightly above).

In Mid-October 2014, there were also more than 2 million ballots requested in FL, and the split was 42% R, 39% D ...

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Florida Democrats point to a narrower Republican lead among the 2.4 million requested ballots, 42 percent to 39 percent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-p-mcdonald/early-voting-picking-up-s_b_5973716.html

So a month ahead of schedule to hit same # of requested absentees? Interesting.

Midterm vs Presidential year is not a great comparison.  Is there any data from 2012?

I'm hearing that the Dems had a 3 point lead in 2012.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on September 23, 2016, 09:06:47 PM
Didn't we learn in 2014 that using early/absentee data to extraploate things can put egg on your face?

People thought Hagan was going to coast to victory based just on favorable absentee data out of NC in 2014.

Definitely true, but there isnt harm in comparing and noticing the differences compared to 2012

Hagan was hurt by the collapse in election-day turnout.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Matty on September 23, 2016, 09:08:14 PM
Didn't we learn in 2014 that using early/absentee data to extraploate things can put egg on your face?

People thought Hagan was going to coast to victory based just on favorable absentee data out of NC in 2014.

Definitely true, but there isnt harm in comparing and noticing the differences compared to 2012

Hagan was hurt by the collapse in election-day turnout.

Not to go off track, but what the heck was up with that? How can a campaign be so good at absentee/early vote, but so bad on election day at GOTV?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Alcon on September 24, 2016, 12:16:45 AM
Didn't we learn in 2014 that using early/absentee data to extraploate things can put egg on your face?

People thought Hagan was going to coast to victory based just on favorable absentee data out of NC in 2014.

Definitely true, but there isnt harm in comparing and noticing the differences compared to 2012

Hagan was hurt by the collapse in election-day turnout.

Not to go off track, but what the heck was up with that? How can a campaign be so good at absentee/early vote, but so bad on election day at GOTV?

I'd argue that campaigns and outreach drive early voting turnout more than Election Day turnout.  Early voting turnout mostly consists of voters who were inevitably going to cast ballots, but were extra motivated to do it early.  It's quite possible that a campaign could do an excellent job of motivating those inevitable voters, and yet the overall electorate could exhibit depressed turnout.  In short, it's easier to convert someone from an inevitable voter than an early voter, than it is to convince them that it's worth voting at all.

Another factor: 1,000 voters converted to early voting may be a meaningful increase in early voting (as a % increase), but 1,000 voters mobilized on Election Day may only be a drop in the bucket.

And most obviously, there's way less time to mobilize Election Day voters than to convert voters into early voters.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on September 24, 2016, 09:20:58 AM
https://twitter.com/WinWithJMC/status/779667613559336961

NC ABS VOTE TRENDS (9/17 to 9/24):
From 43-32-25 to 41-35-25 Dem, and

from 80-12-8 to 82-12-6 white/black.

IOW, more Trump friendly.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: MT Treasurer on September 24, 2016, 10:30:27 AM
Party registration of accepted ballots so far (Keep in mind that very few ballots were cast in ME, IA and FL so far):

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)

Red = Democratic
Blue = Republican
Green = Unaffiliated

Nationwide:

D 2,735   40.5%
R 2,351   34.8%
I  1,647   24.4%
O      25   0.4%    

Total 6,758

Party registration of requested ballots so far:

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)

Nationwide:

D 846,845   38.2%
R 929,939   41.9%
I 392,148    17.7%
O 50,332     2.3$

Total 2,219,264


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Tender Branson on September 24, 2016, 10:33:41 AM
Only 50 votes have been returned so far in FL ... lol

Could you also do a map of requests ?

Because FL has over 2 million requests already, with Republicans leading 43%-37%.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Brittain33 on September 24, 2016, 11:21:50 AM
Are these North Carolina Dixiecrats... however many there are still left... really more likely to come out early for Trump against Clinton than they were for Romney against Obama? It's possible, but it's hard for me to imagine considering how Alabama voted against Obama. Remember, we are talking about an increase against a 2012 baseline, not a 1980 or 1992 baseline.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Cruzcrew on September 24, 2016, 01:00:57 PM
Are these North Carolina Dixiecrats... however many there are still left... really more likely to come out early for Trump against Clinton than they were for Romney against Obama? It's possible, but it's hard for me to imagine considering how Alabama voted against Obama. Remember, we are talking about an increase against a 2012 baseline, not a 1980 or 1992 baseline.

Trump always did overperform with early voters during the primaries so his base might just be more of an early voter base. There's also high enthusiasm for him with his key supporters.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: JerryArkansas on September 24, 2016, 01:57:42 PM
Are these North Carolina Dixiecrats... however many there are still left... really more likely to come out early for Trump against Clinton than they were for Romney against Obama? It's possible, but it's hard for me to imagine considering how Alabama voted against Obama. Remember, we are talking about an increase against a 2012 baseline, not a 1980 or 1992 baseline.

Trump always did overperform with early voters during the primaries so his base might just be more of an early voter base. There's also high enthusiasm for him with his key supporters.

Yes, Trump always killed it in the early vote in the competitive primaries and in some cases (LA, AR, MO) it nearly turned into a tie when the election day votes reported.  Also, keep in mind that the committed NeverTrump portion of the GOP tends to be strongly ideologically opposed to early voting in general.

On a different note, don't we generally expect mail ballots to lean right and in person early ballots to lean left?
Yeah, that's why it is so interesting that these trends are occurring.  You would expect something a bit more.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on September 24, 2016, 02:02:46 PM
Are these North Carolina Dixiecrats... however many there are still left... really more likely to come out early for Trump against Clinton than they were for Romney against Obama? It's possible, but it's hard for me to imagine considering how Alabama voted against Obama. Remember, we are talking about an increase against a 2012 baseline, not a 1980 or 1992 baseline.

Trump always did overperform with early voters during the primaries so his base might just be more of an early voter base. There's also high enthusiasm for him with his key supporters.

So did Clinton...


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on September 24, 2016, 02:14:49 PM
Are these North Carolina Dixiecrats... however many there are still left... really more likely to come out early for Trump against Clinton than they were for Romney against Obama? It's possible, but it's hard for me to imagine considering how Alabama voted against Obama. Remember, we are talking about an increase against a 2012 baseline, not a 1980 or 1992 baseline.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/donald-trump-2016-polling-turnout-early-voting-data-213897?o=1
http://lpstrategies.com/white-papers/its-time-for-democrats-to-ctfd/920,2016

In most states, Trump did not really bring new voters, but in North Carolina, 8% of GOP primary voters were new voters according to Lincoln Park Strategies.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on September 25, 2016, 09:01:35 AM
Absentee voting way up in Northern Virginia:

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Michael McDonald Retweeted

Matt McDermott ‏@mattmfm  21h21 hours ago
Matt McDermott Retweeted Arlington Elections
2012 had 146 absentee ballots on the first day, so pretty dramatic increase in absentee voting in northern Virginia.Matt McDermott added,

Arlington Elections @ArlingtonVotes
Final #FirstDayofVoting absentee total in Arlington: 279. #Election2016

That's a 91% increase from 2012.

Falls Church, VA also saw 5% it's city's active turnout vote on day.

Quote
Dave Bjerke
‏@davebjerke
Today saw 12 in-person voters, 8 email ballots, and 33 by mail ballots out by COB today brings us to over 5% of active turnout #BeReady16


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on September 25, 2016, 09:09:57 AM
Another interesting twitter drump by Dave Wasserman:

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Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict  Sep 21
If there's a pro-Trump new voter surge, I'm not seeing it in NC. Since 6/14/15, net reg up 6.8% in Obama counties, 5.2% in Romney counties.

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Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict  Sep 21
Since Trump's launch 6/14/15, whites have accounted for only 59.6% of NC's net new registrants (they're a 69.9% share of all registrants).

Quote
Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict  Sep 21
Not really seeing pro-Trump surge in FL either. Since '14, net new reg up 4.1% in counties Obama was under 40%. Up 4.7% everywhere else.

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Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict  Sep 21
The biggest FL surge has been in Osceola Co., up 12% since '14. That's mostly Puerto Rican Dems. The Villages (pro-Trump), in 3rd, up 9.7%

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Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict  Sep 21
Also no evidence of a pro-Trump surge in VA. In July/Aug, 52% of net new reg came from FFX, ARL, ALX, LDN, PWC, RIC, HCO (all heavy Dem).

Quote
Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict  Sep 21
Not much Trump surge evidence in PA: in past 3 months, net registrations went up 1.8% in Obama counties, just 0.8% in Romney counties.


Title: Republicans lead early voting in Florida by 120,000 votes
Post by: StatesPoll on September 25, 2016, 10:59:16 AM
http://www.wnd.com/2016/09/republicans-lead-early-voting-in-florida-by-120000/

Republicans lead early voting in Florida by 120,000 votes (of 2 Million votes)
Republicans 43% | Democrats  37% | Indpendent 17.5% | Other Party 2.5%

It seems now Florida - Likely TRUMP

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Xing on September 25, 2016, 11:02:29 AM
This is encouraging, but I don't want to rad too much into this. Registering new voters is one thing, getting them to the polls is a different kind of challenge.


Title: Re: Republicans lead early voting in Florida by 120,000 votes
Post by: Ozymandias on September 25, 2016, 11:09:57 AM
http://www.wnd.com/2016/09/republicans-lead-early-voting-in-florida-by-120000/

Republicans lead early voting in Florida by 120,000 votes (of 2 Million votes)
Republicans 43% | Democrats  37% | Indpendent 17.5% | Other Party 2.5%

It seems now Florida - Likely TRUMP

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Dude, you need to stop being so careless with your posts-- these aren't actual votes, just ballot requests.

Did you really think 2 million people in Florida had already voted?

Also, as I understand it, Republicans typically outpace Democrats in absentee voting-- especially early on-- so I doubt these numbers are much different from 2012 when Obama won Florida.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on September 25, 2016, 11:16:44 AM
For the record, the actual early Florida vote (obtained from https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats via http://www.electproject.org/early_2016) is ...

Democrats 26
Republicans 15
Not Affiliated 5

...for a grand total of 46 actual votes.

It seems now Florida - Likely CLINTON! WOO HOO!!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on September 25, 2016, 01:15:08 PM
Here's a good summary on the limited early voting (and ballot request) data that's come in so far across the country:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-p-mcdonald/2016-early-voting-underwa_b_12184290.html



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on September 25, 2016, 02:11:00 PM
Anyone know how the Florida numbers compare to 2012 or is it new this year?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: chrisras on September 25, 2016, 04:28:01 PM
4.3 million early votes in Florida in 2012.

43% Democrat
40% Republican


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on September 25, 2016, 04:31:19 PM
4.3 million early votes in Florida in 2012.

43% Democrat
40% Republican

That includes all the vote in person. Absentees skew GOP, vote in person skews Dem


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Likely Voter on September 25, 2016, 05:55:51 PM
From a Blog post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-p-mcdonald/2016-early-voting-underwa_b_12184290.html?) from UofFlorida professor who runs the US Elections Project and is tracking early voting with the AP...
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What Did We Learn This Week?
The Iowa, Maine, and North Carolina early voting statistics appear to confirm the polling averages, showing a Trump with a slight lead in Iowa, Maine splitting its Electoral College votes in the First and Second Congressional Districts, and Clinton running slightly ahead in North Carolina. Again, I can’t say this enough: these are the earliest early voters and this is a weak signal that will get stronger as Election Day approaches as the trickle of early voters becomes a flood.

Also of interest is that Clinton does better where voters appear to be more engaged, as measured by absentee ballot requests, and Trump does better where interest is running lower. This has important implications for polling, as Clinton does better among the universe of registered voters and less so among likely voters.

he has more data here...
http://www.electproject.org/early_2016


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on September 25, 2016, 06:33:14 PM
Anyone know how the Florida numbers compare to 2012 or is it new this year?

Hard to compare because of this change:

"In 2012, Florida adopted semi-permanent absentee ballot status where mail ballot voters can request to vote-by-mail in the next election when they mail in their ballot, and we saw an increase of mail balloting in 2014."

From http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-p-mcdonald/2016-early-voting-underwa_b_12184290.html


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on September 25, 2016, 07:07:27 PM
Anyone know how the Florida numbers compare to 2012 or is it new this year?

Hard to compare because of this change:

"In 2012, Florida adopted semi-permanent absentee ballot status where mail ballot voters can request to vote-by-mail in the next election when they mail in their ballot, and we saw an increase of mail balloting in 2014."

From http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-p-mcdonald/2016-early-voting-underwa_b_12184290.html

Ah, so we are comparing apples and oranges in Florida.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Sorenroy on September 26, 2016, 09:02:48 AM
Update with New Graphic for NC:

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Also, question: why and how did the total Republican ballots accepted in 2012 decrease between day 38 and 37?

Edit: nevermind, I guess it just didn't change.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: PaperKooper on September 26, 2016, 09:54:37 AM
Update with New Graphic for NC:

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Also, question: why and how did the total Republican ballots accepted in 2012 decrease between day 38 and 37?

None of the bars changed significantly, presumably because it was a Sunday so the mail couldn't deliver the ballots. 


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: bilaps on September 26, 2016, 04:55:33 PM
Sean Spicer just said on CNN that democrats "are running 50 000 early votes under threshold for what they need to have at this moment to win" and how it shows Hilary is bad candidate.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on September 26, 2016, 05:10:38 PM
Sean Spicer just said on CNN that democrats "are running 50 000 early votes under threshold for what they need to have at this moment to win" and how it shows Hilary is bad candidate.
How exactly did he come up with this figure?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: bilaps on September 26, 2016, 05:17:08 PM
Sean Spicer just said on CNN that democrats "are running 50 000 early votes under threshold for what they need to have at this moment to win" and how it shows Hilary is bad candidate.
How exactly did he come up with this figure?

Don't have an idea, posted because I thought someone might know something.

Oh, sorry I forgot to type in Iowa. Not intentional.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on September 26, 2016, 05:26:22 PM
Sean Spicer just said on CNN that democrats "are running 50 000 early votes under threshold for what they need to have at this moment to win" and how it shows Hilary is bad candidate.
How exactly did he come up with this figure?

Don't have an idea, posted because I thought someone might know something.

Oh, sorry I forgot to type in Iowa. Not intentional.

I don't think Iowa can be compared yet, because...

"Iowa started their mail balloting slightly later than 2012 due to slower printing of ballots."

From http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-p-mcdonald/2016-early-voting-underwa_b_12184290.html

There's some more detailed Iowa analysis later in the article-- basically, both Democratic and Republican ballot requests are down from past years, presumably because of the ballot printing delay.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: StatesPoll on September 28, 2016, 01:55:03 AM
MSM: Hillary won the debate! oh!!!!!!!! yea~~~~~! (orgasm)

Floridian people: Wrong!

Florda  Vote-by-Mail Request
9/23 REP 881K | DEM 760K
REP  +121K

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/09/yuge-trump-leads-early-voting-florida-120000-first-republicans-state/

9/27 3PM   REP 959K | DEM 815K
REP +144K

https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats
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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on September 28, 2016, 02:00:33 AM
Lol, you're a delight.

Noting that most ballot requests from the last 24 hours wouldn't have been processed yet and don't pretend that you have the vaguest idea what an orgasm is.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: StatesPoll on September 28, 2016, 02:02:31 AM
Lol, you're a delight.

Noting that most ballot requests from the last 24 hours wouldn't have been processed yet and don't pretend that you have the vaguest idea what an orgasm is.

https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats

1st debate was finished 09/26/2016 10:30PM
Florida vote-by-mail request Compiled     09/27/2016 3:39PM




Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on September 28, 2016, 02:03:50 AM
K gurl. Whatever helps you sleep in your mother's basement.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Torie on September 28, 2016, 07:47:40 AM
The huge black bolded capitalized text "shouting" I see on this page is annoying, and unnecessary. It does not lend the text gravitas. It does precisely the opposite. Thank you.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: RJEvans on September 28, 2016, 07:59:23 AM
Do we have FL numbers from this point in the election in 2012?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on September 28, 2016, 12:03:02 PM
Looks like Trump's ground game disaster is unfolding in North Carolina. The GOP needs to run of the margin in the absentee vote to win the state.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: bilaps on September 28, 2016, 12:20:00 PM
Looks like Trump's ground game disaster is unfolding in North Carolina. The GOP needs to run of the margin in the absentee vote to win the state.

This really isn't true.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: KingSweden on September 28, 2016, 12:25:58 PM
Maine absentee ballots stats as of 9/27

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Thought the number for GOP in CD2 would be higher. Perhaps polls overstating GOP support or Dems crossing over? Too early to tell, alas


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: RJEvans on September 28, 2016, 12:26:15 PM
Looks like Trump's ground game disaster is unfolding in North Carolina. The GOP needs to run of the margin in the absentee vote to win the state.

I think it's best to wait and see what happens in the early voting period. We really don't know who is voting for who. A lot of them could be older conservative Democrats who support Trump.


Thought the number for GOP in CD2 would be higher. Perhaps polls overstating GOP support or Dems crossing over? Too early to tell, alas

Looking at the graph it looks like there was a net negative shift somewhere in the single digits for the Dems and a net positive shift somewhere in the single digits for the Republicans. I think it's too early to tell if this will be meaningful.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 28, 2016, 12:54:00 PM
What are the party affiliation numbers like in Maine these days?


Isn't it plurality independent?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Wiz in Wis on September 28, 2016, 12:56:59 PM
Looks like Trump's ground game disaster is unfolding in North Carolina. The GOP needs to run of the margin in the absentee vote to win the state.

This really isn't true.

Agreed, all this means is that the Dems are doing better, and the GOP worse, than this point in 2012. But still not a ton of votes to count on.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: KingSweden on September 28, 2016, 01:05:05 PM
What are the party affiliation numbers like in Maine these days?


Isn't it plurality independent?

It wouldn't surprise me if that were he case


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 28, 2016, 01:08:52 PM
What are the party affiliation numbers like in Maine these days?


Isn't it plurality independent?

It wouldn't surprise me if that were he case

http://www.pressherald.com/interactive/maine_registered_voters_democrat_republican_independent_green/


36.7 Unenrolled.  Not as high as I seemed to think (mid 40's).


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on September 28, 2016, 01:10:26 PM
Quote
1,200 people voted in Madison on Monday on first day of early voting in Wisconsin. "Near record turnout" @MadisonWIClerk tells me


From Ari Berman


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on September 28, 2016, 01:11:06 PM
Quote
1,200 people voted in Madison on Monday on first day of early voting in Wisconsin. "Near record turnout" @MadisonWIClerk tells me


From Ari Berman

;)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on September 28, 2016, 03:14:32 PM
http://hotair.com/archives/2016/09/28/gop-jumps-140000-lead-fl-absentee-requests/

Thanks to the big gaps in Orange and Osceola, Democrats have an I-4 advantage of 7,368 ballots, or about a 40.2/39.3 percentage advantage. Worth noting: George W. Bush handily won Osceola in 2004 52.5/47, Hillsborough by 53/46.2, and came within 800 votes of winning Orange while taking the state 52/47. These seven counties account for over a third of all absentee ballot requests in the state of Florida.

If the I-4 Corridor still holds the key to the Sunshine State — and it’s almost certain to be won or lost in these seven counties — then Republicans might be at a serious disadvantage already, and better hope to win big among independents.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: SunSt0rm on September 28, 2016, 05:21:01 PM
Found this

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Florida doesn't start absentee balloting until Tuesday, but already a record 2.5 million voters have requested ballots. Republicans are ahead in ballot requests, 43 percent to 38 percent.

That's a much narrower gap than in 2008, the most recent in which comparable data was available. At that time, the Republicans held a solid lead in requests, 51 percent to 32 percent, according to data analyzed for the AP by Catalist, a Democratic firm that helped run data operations for Obama's 2008 race. Obama won the state by 2.8 percentage points.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/0a12b25e914d4e70ac85bbe3d9549406/early-votes-high-interest-buoys-clinton-key-states


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Minnesota Mike on September 28, 2016, 06:07:41 PM
FWIW Hillary Clinton has received at least one vote in Minnesota. Feels weird to have done my civic duty 6 weeks before the election. 


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on September 28, 2016, 06:08:53 PM
FWIW Hillary Clinton has received at least one vote in Minnesota. Feels weird to have done my civic duty 6 weeks before the election. 

Thank you :)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Sorenroy on September 28, 2016, 06:12:55 PM
NC absentee ballot requests as of 9/28:

Quote
Finally seeing Rep absentee ballot requests > Dem (as expected), although Reps still running behind 2012 level

Even though Republicans now lead with requests, Democrats still hold a roughly 500 vote lead in returned ballots:

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Source (http://www.oldnorthstatepolitics.com/)

Note that it is the first day that 2016 Dems lag behind 2012 Repubs.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fusionmunster on September 28, 2016, 06:20:59 PM
Found this

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Florida doesn't start absentee balloting until Tuesday, but already a record 2.5 million voters have requested ballots. Republicans are ahead in ballot requests, 43 percent to 38 percent.

That's a much narrower gap than in 2008, the most recent in which comparable data was available. At that time, the Republicans held a solid lead in requests, 51 percent to 32 percent, according to data analyzed for the AP by Catalist, a Democratic firm that helped run data operations for Obama's 2008 race. Obama won the state by 2.8 percentage points.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/0a12b25e914d4e70ac85bbe3d9549406/early-votes-high-interest-buoys-clinton-key-states

I wonder where StatesPoll is?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on September 28, 2016, 09:02:10 PM
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/data-points/why-early-get-out-vote-efforts-favor-clinton-ballot-requests-n653361

This was done 9/23, but I don't think it was posted here. Condenses a lot of Michael McDonald's random insights. I found it by Googling TargetSmart (the one that had the Clinton +3 Ohio poll recently). The Michigan party ID was estimated since the government doesn't track it.

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In North Carolina/Pennsylvania, 18-29 are a higher % of ballot requests than 30-44 #GroundGame.

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on September 28, 2016, 09:05:12 PM
Not looking good for Trump. And what's up with Iowa? I thought it was Lean R or something?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on September 28, 2016, 09:22:28 PM
Not looking good for Trump. And what's up with Iowa? I thought it was Lean R or something?

Woah... did the IA ground-game suddenly just wake up?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: KingSweden on September 28, 2016, 09:25:07 PM
Not looking good for Trump. And what's up with Iowa? I thought it was Lean R or something?

Woah... did the IA ground-game suddenly just wake up?

Maybe Robby Mook DOES know what he's doing


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 28, 2016, 09:27:45 PM
Mook is a genius folks. Don't you ever doubt that beautiful son of a bitch.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on September 28, 2016, 09:28:25 PM
Not looking good for Trump. And what's up with Iowa? I thought it was Lean R or something?

Woah... did the IA ground-game suddenly just wake up?

Maybe Robby Mook DOES know what he's doing

He IS a piece of work after all ;)

-ahem- Back to the subject, it looks like something big is happening in Iowa that the polls aren't catching for Dem ballots to be leading by such an overwhelming amount.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Xing on September 28, 2016, 09:32:16 PM
Well, so much for Safe R Iowa. In terms of Party ID, it's now looking more like it did in 2012. How do the other states compare to 2012?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on September 28, 2016, 09:38:09 PM
How is Florida comparing to 2012?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on September 28, 2016, 09:43:58 PM

The Ds are outperforming 2012 by a significant degree. Kind of interesting what happens when you're investing in GOTV versus over-charging on office rent and fueling up a decrepit plane.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Matty on September 28, 2016, 09:44:52 PM

The Ds are outperforming 2012 by a significant degree. Kind of interesting what happens when you're investing in GOTV versus over-charging on office rent and fueling up a decrepit plane.

Aren't they underperforming?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on September 28, 2016, 09:45:40 PM

The Ds are outperforming 2012 by a significant degree. Kind of interesting what happens when you're investing in GOTV versus over-charging on office rent and fueling up a decrepit plane.

Aren't they underperforming?

Not in FL, the GOP had a much larger lead in % terms.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Maxwell on September 28, 2016, 09:47:34 PM
Democrats are doing even better than they were doing in 2008 right now in Florida in terms of Absentees.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Sorenroy on September 28, 2016, 09:49:17 PM
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/data-points/why-early-get-out-vote-efforts-favor-clinton-ballot-requests-n653361

In North Carolina/Pennsylvania, 18-29 are a higher % of ballot requests than 30-44 #GroundGame.

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However, as TN Volunteer's post shows, that is not reflected (yet) in returned ballots (at least in NC):

NC absentee ballot requests as of 9/28:

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: StatesPoll on September 29, 2016, 12:17:52 AM
Found this

Quote
Florida doesn't start absentee balloting until Tuesday, but already a record 2.5 million voters have requested ballots. Republicans are ahead in ballot requests, 43 percent to 38 percent.

That's a much narrower gap than in 2008, the most recent in which comparable data was available. At that time, the Republicans held a solid lead in requests, 51 percent to 32 percent, according to data analyzed for the AP by Catalist, a Democratic firm that helped run data operations for Obama's 2008 race. Obama won the state by 2.8 percentage points.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/0a12b25e914d4e70ac85bbe3d9549406/early-votes-high-interest-buoys-clinton-key-states

I wonder where StatesPoll is?

wrong! it's not wise to compare with 2008 results because

1.  At that time, the Republicans held a solid lead in requests, 51 percent to 32 percent,
<----------- it's not a final results. where is the final results of
total absentee vote numbers; republican vs democrats?

2. in 2008 absentee ballots were only 1.85 million.(final results)
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2012/dec/07/ken-detzner/florida-elections-chief-says-we-had-record-turnout/

3. in 2016, The deadline to request that a vote-by-mail ballot be mailed is no later than 5 p.m. on the 6th day before the election.(11/2/2016)
9/28/2016, already 2.24 million. 400k more than final results of 2008.
I guess it will surpass 3million for sure.

The Department of State’s Division of Elections is providing vote-by-mail (formerly referred to as absentee*)
https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats
The deadline to request that a vote-by-mail ballot be mailed is no later than 5 p.m. on the 6th day before the election.

conclusion)
It doesn't make any change of the fact: TRUMP takes the leads in Florida ;)





Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: MT Treasurer on September 29, 2016, 03:01:36 AM
It's very dangerous reading too much into these early numbers.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on September 29, 2016, 03:02:54 AM
It's very dangerous reading too much into these early numbers.

I agree - but I think a broad conclusion you could look to is that the ground-games of the campaigns are being reflected in these early numbers.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: MT Treasurer on September 29, 2016, 03:22:15 AM
It's very dangerous reading too much into these early numbers.

I agree - but I think a broad conclusion you could look to is that the ground-games of the campaigns are being reflected in these early numbers.

Maybe. Just wanted to point out that these early numbers don't prove that FL will be won by Trump or that Clinton is doing better than expected in IA.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: RJEvans on September 29, 2016, 07:59:27 AM
Mook is a genius folks. Don't you ever doubt that beautiful son of a bitch.

He seemed so calm and assured when he appeared on The View. That's good job but for some reason I trust him when he said don't panic we will win.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on September 29, 2016, 08:00:03 AM
http://iowastartingline.com/2016/09/29/the-state-of-iowas-early-vote-and-how-it-all-works/

Iowa: As of Thursday morning, Democrats have more than twice as many absentee ballots requested than Republicans. However, Democrats also lag far behind the number of absentees requested at this point in 2012, while Republicans are slightly ahead of their past performance. It’s not enough for Democrats to simply beat Republicans on the early vote, they need to do it by a wide margin.

The national Clinton campaign reportedly researched when the most effective time of the campaign was to talk with voters, and used that data to adjust the early vote schedule.

The first day early vote numbers were publicly reported, Democrats were only at 45% of their totals in 2012 at that time. Now they’re to 56%.

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Terry the Fat Shark on September 29, 2016, 08:18:20 AM
https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/781481644347658241 Speaking of Iowa, today is the first day they begin "in-person early voting"


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: StatesPoll on September 29, 2016, 01:11:04 PM
Found this

Quote
Florida doesn't start absentee balloting until Tuesday, but already a record 2.5 million voters have requested ballots. Republicans are ahead in ballot requests, 43 percent to 38 percent.

That's a much narrower gap than in 2008, the most recent in which comparable data was available. At that time, the Republicans held a solid lead in requests, 51 percent to 32 percent, according to data analyzed for the AP by Catalist, a Democratic firm that helped run data operations for Obama's 2008 race. Obama won the state by 2.8 percentage points.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/0a12b25e914d4e70ac85bbe3d9549406/early-votes-high-interest-buoys-clinton-key-states

I wonder where StatesPoll is?

and also I found it.

Sandiego Union Tribune, October 8th 2012.
Title: Romney looks to cut Obama's early voter advantage


http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-romney-looks-to-cut-obamas-early-voter-advantage-2012oct08-story.html

 Among the 29,000 voters who have cast absentee ballots in North Carolina, 54 percent are registered Republicans and 28 percent are Democrats, according to the United States Elections Project at George Mason University.

It's a small sample - more than 2.6 million people voted before Election Day in North Carolina in 2008. And these are all mail ballots, which have historically favored Republicans; in-person voting starts Oct. 18 in North Carolina. Nevertheless, Republicans are encouraged because McCain lost the state's early vote by 11 percentage points.

"North Carolina was a place that they totally caught us flat-footed in 2008," Beeson said. "They jumped out to a lead and never looked back. You don't see that happening this time - Republicans have the lead."

Florida's sample is even smaller - only 10,000 votes so far - but it too favors Republicans over Democrats, 53 percent to 32 percent. In 2008, nearly 4.6 million voters in Florida cast ballots before Election Day.

can u see 'only 10,000 votes so far'? (At early October)

 
Vote-By-Mail Request in Florida: September,29th,2016
Total nearly 2.3 Million votes.




Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Wells on September 29, 2016, 02:50:49 PM
Did StatesPoll ever go to school? Serious question. So far this year only 1,257 people have voted. Per here (https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats).

545 Republican
470 Democrat
242 Other/Unaffiliated


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: voter1993 on September 29, 2016, 04:40:11 PM
Question: What states in early voting/absentee is Trump doing well in (if any) or holding his own against Clinton? This is my 2nd election voting so knew to all these stats.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on September 29, 2016, 06:00:17 PM
Any updates from early voting in Iowa by Party ID, or do these numbers not come in until tomorrow?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: KingSweden on September 29, 2016, 06:15:07 PM
Question: What states in early voting/absentee is Trump doing well in (if any) or holding his own against Clinton? This is my 2nd election voting so knew to all these stats.

So far, based on past results, Iowa


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on September 29, 2016, 06:22:14 PM
Question: What states in early voting/absentee is Trump doing well in (if any) or holding his own against Clinton? This is my 2nd election voting so knew to all these stats.

So far, based on past results, Iowa

But, this does need to be put in context.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: voter1993 on September 29, 2016, 06:46:56 PM
Question: What states in early voting/absentee is Trump doing well in (if any) or holding his own against Clinton? This is my 2nd election voting so knew to all these stats.

So far, based on past results, Iowa

Good! Also, does absentee/early voting help democrats and republicans usually vote on election day? If republicans r pretty much even with democrats with absentee/early voting they should be good on election day? What about florida i'm seeing a lot of mixed signals on here about how they requested more ballots but not a bigger % as 2008?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: StatesPoll on September 29, 2016, 10:52:41 PM
Did StatesPoll ever go to school? Serious question. So far this year only 1,257 people have voted. Per here (https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats).

545 Republican
470 Democrat
242 Other/Unaffiliated

hey snobby,
Because it takes time to return ballots :p
in the end most people would send.

Iowa 2012 (it's not florida data. but about the return rate, it would be similar)

Party    2012 Requested    2012 Returned    Return Rate
Democrat    312,834               287,935               92%
Republican    229,596               219,576               96%
No Party             198,342              181,260               91%

http://iowastartingline.com/2016/09/29/the-state-of-iowas-early-vote-and-how-it-all-works/


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gustaf on September 30, 2016, 05:26:24 AM
Did StatesPoll ever go to school? Serious question. So far this year only 1,257 people have voted. Per here (https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats).

545 Republican
470 Democrat
242 Other/Unaffiliated

He probably went to school in Russia. :P


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on September 30, 2016, 10:52:17 AM
This is just Wake County in NC (includes Raleigh/Durham/Cary):

Gerry Cohen ‏@gercohen  3h3 hours ago
Wake Co NC voted absentees 47 days pre-elex:

2016 1,739
D 42.4%
R 30.1
U 27.2

2012 185
D 32.4%
R 38.4
U 29.2

up 940%, 18% swing to D

There's a bit more detail in Cohen's FB post: https://www.facebook.com/gercohen/posts/10103848424398478



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on September 30, 2016, 11:03:24 AM
This is just Wake County in NC (includes Raleigh/Durham/Cary):

Gerry Cohen ‏@gercohen  3h3 hours ago
Wake Co NC voted absentees 47 days pre-elex:

2016 1,739
D 42.4%
R 30.1
U 27.2

2012 185
D 32.4%
R 38.4
U 29.2

up 940%, 18% swing to D

There's a bit more detail in Cohen's FB post: https://www.facebook.com/gercohen/posts/10103848424398478



Bad signs for Trump all around. He needs to be winning absentee ballots unquestionably to even match Romney.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on September 30, 2016, 11:08:04 AM
This is just Wake County in NC (includes Raleigh/Durham/Cary):

Gerry Cohen ‏@gercohen  3h3 hours ago
Wake Co NC voted absentees 47 days pre-elex:

2016 1,739
D 42.4%
R 30.1
U 27.2

2012 185
D 32.4%
R 38.4
U 29.2

up 940%, 18% swing to D

There's a bit more detail in Cohen's FB post: https://www.facebook.com/gercohen/posts/10103848424398478



Bad signs for Trump all around. He needs to be winning absentee ballots unquestionably to even match Romney.

The results out of Mecklenburg will also be intetesting. Similar dynamics possibly.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on September 30, 2016, 12:16:40 PM
This is just Wake County in NC (includes Raleigh/Durham/Cary):

Gerry Cohen ‏@gercohen  3h3 hours ago
Wake Co NC voted absentees 47 days pre-elex:

2016 1,739
D 42.4%
R 30.1
U 27.2

2012 185
D 32.4%
R 38.4
U 29.2

up 940%, 18% swing to D

There's a bit more detail in Cohen's FB post: https://www.facebook.com/gercohen/posts/10103848424398478



https://twitter.com/gercohen/status/781890886120706048

Living in Wake County I can say there is no Democratic absentee ballot GOTV (yet). This is all self-motivated.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on September 30, 2016, 12:28:28 PM
This is just Wake County in NC (includes Raleigh/Durham/Cary):

Gerry Cohen ‏@gercohen  3h3 hours ago
Wake Co NC voted absentees 47 days pre-elex:

2016 1,739
D 42.4%
R 30.1
U 27.2

2012 185
D 32.4%
R 38.4
U 29.2

up 940%, 18% swing to D

There's a bit more detail in Cohen's FB post: https://www.facebook.com/gercohen/posts/10103848424398478



https://twitter.com/gercohen/status/781890886120706048

Living in Wake County I can say there is no Democratic absentee ballot GOTV (yet). This is all self-motivated.

Sweet


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Brittain33 on September 30, 2016, 01:05:00 PM
This is just Wake County in NC (includes Raleigh/Durham/Cary):

Gerry Cohen ‏@gercohen  3h3 hours ago
Wake Co NC voted absentees 47 days pre-elex:

2016 1,739
D 42.4%
R 30.1
U 27.2

2012 185
D 32.4%
R 38.4
U 29.2

up 940%, 18% swing to D

There's a bit more detail in Cohen's FB post: https://www.facebook.com/gercohen/posts/10103848424398478



https://twitter.com/gercohen/status/781890886120706048

Living in Wake County I can say there is no Democratic absentee ballot GOTV (yet). This is all self-motivated.

WOW. I've assumed the Dem advantage so far is because Obama didn't seriously contest the state in 2012 whereas the Clinton campaign is organizing voters...


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on September 30, 2016, 01:29:52 PM
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/data-points/why-early-get-out-vote-efforts-favor-clinton-ballot-requests-n653361

I'm dubious that this surge has nothing to do with the Clinton campaign... See 18-29 in NC > 30-44. Maybe he meant organizers haven't been prodding outstanding ballots to return themselves yet, but the campaign has targeted and instructed voters on the process.

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on September 30, 2016, 01:52:32 PM
Could be that campus organizations (College Democrats) in North Carolina are driving absentee turnout.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on September 30, 2016, 03:47:39 PM
Could be that campus organizations (College Democrats) in North Carolina are driving absentee turnout.

They're doing it here in Wisconsin. I've seen several college campuses with tables full of absentee ballot pages in areas with lots of student movement, so it wouldn't surprise me.

A lot of these are managed by young women too.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 01, 2016, 03:55:38 PM
Among returned and accepted ballots, though, registered Democrats have 40 percent of those ballots, with 35 percent from registered Republicans, and 24 percent from registered unaffiliated voters.
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In comparing this year's numbers of returned and accepted mail-in absentee ballots by party registration, the trend continues to hold for registered Democrats and registered unaffiliated voters by their over-performance.
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While the total returned and accepted mail-in absentee ballots are 106 percent of the same-day totals from 2012, registered Democrats are at 140 percent, registered unaffiliated voters are at 139 percent, and registered Republicans are behind their cumulative numbers from four years ago, at only 73 percent of their same-day totals.

http://www.oldnorthstatepolitics.com/

Very favorable trend for Clinton!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: StatesPoll on October 02, 2016, 01:55:59 AM
It is very Clear.
Florida Absentee(Vote-by-Mail)
10/1/2016, TRUMP is doing far much better than Romney did in October,2012


Florida Absentee
Romney(October 2012): Republicans - Democrats = +12k
TRUMP(October 2016): Republicans - Democrats = +144k.  
Especially, Returned votes:  REP(1307)>>>>DEM(876)

News was written at October 16th, 2012
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/15/1144854/-Dems-well-positioned-in-Florida-outworking-Republicans-relative-to-2008

1. Florida: The Republicans lead Democrats when it comes to absentee votes cast, about 126,000 to 114,000.

so, at Mid-October,2012. Republican leads Democrat of Absentee
only +12k votes in Flordia.

2. 10/1/2016.  Florida: Vote-by-Mail (Absentee)
Provided:  Republicans: 1.024 Million | Democrats: 880K    
Republicans leads Democrats of Absentee
+144k votes in Flordia.

Returned: Republicans 1307 >>>>> Democrats  876.    (Total 2741)
https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats
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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 02, 2016, 02:01:38 AM
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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: StatesPoll on October 02, 2016, 03:22:50 AM

'boring' becuz TRUMP is doing well in FL? (Especially far much better than Romney did in Mid-October 2012.)

if it was FL: Vote-By-Mail Request DEM 1.05 Million > REP 900K
FL: Returned Votes: DEM 1400 votes > REP 1000 Votes
I'm sure, you would not say 'boring'.  ;)





Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 02, 2016, 03:58:34 AM
Intellectually bankrupt Statespoll comparing "ballots cast" data with ballot request data, proving once and for all that he lacks even basic reading comprehension.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: StatesPoll on October 02, 2016, 12:08:23 PM
Intellectually bankrupt Statespoll comparing "ballots cast" data with ballot request data, proving once and for all that he lacks even basic reading comprehension.

You don't understand.

1. Most voters gonna vote in the end, once they requested Ballots.
2. Plus, Returned(voted) Rate, Normally Republican >>>> Democrats.
Especially in Florida even more
look Election 2014 results.
http://dos.myflorida.com/media/696917/early-voting-and-vote-by-mail-report-2014-gen.pdf

3. Mid-October, 2012 Returned(voted) : REP 44% | DEM 40%   
REP +4%
           vs
October 2nd, 2016 Returend(voted): REP 48% (1337 votes) | DEM 31.7% (883 votes)   
REP +16.3%

TRUMP is doing better +12.3% than Mitt Romney(2012).

Just admit you snobby, Now Florida = Likely TRUMP

 


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Minnesota Mike on October 02, 2016, 04:37:12 PM
Intellectually bankrupt Statespoll comparing "ballots cast" data with ballot request data, proving once and for all that he lacks even basic reading comprehension.

You don't understand.

1. Most voters gonna vote in the end, once they requested Ballots.
2. Plus, Returned(voted) Rate, Normally Republican >>>> Democrats.
Especially in Florida even more
look Election 2014 results.
http://dos.myflorida.com/media/696917/early-voting-and-vote-by-mail-report-2014-gen.pdf

3. Mid-October, 2012 Returned(voted) : REP 44% | DEM 40%   
REP +4%
           vs
October 2nd, 2016 Returend(voted): REP 48% (1337 votes) | DEM 31.7% (883 votes)   
REP +16.3%

TRUMP is doing better +12.3% than Mitt Romney(2012).

Just admit you snobby, Now Florida = Likely TRUMP

 

You do realize domestic ballots, vast majority of absentee ballots, have not even been mailed yet (they go out this week). So far the only ballots that have returned are overseas/military. With fewer than 3,000 ballots returned (about 0.03% of expected turnout)  you can draw zero conclusions yet about Florida. 


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Xing on October 02, 2016, 05:30:46 PM
Guys, please ignore the troll and don't let him derail this thread.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 02, 2016, 05:34:53 PM
daniel a. smith ‏@electionsmith Oct 1
https://twitter.com/ElectProject
daniel a. smith Retweeted Nate Cohn

In FL, newly registered from Aug 1-Sept 1 2016:
White: 50.8%
Black: 13.4%
Hispanic: 20.8%

Rep: 24.8%
Dem: 34.2%
NPA: 38.7%
Dem:
NPA:



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 02, 2016, 05:37:11 PM
NC absentee ballot stats as of 10/2

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Democrats still ahead as of 10/2


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Badger on October 02, 2016, 07:41:41 PM
http://iowastartingline.com/2016/09/29/the-state-of-iowas-early-vote-and-how-it-all-works/

Iowa: As of Thursday morning, Democrats have more than twice as many absentee ballots requested than Republicans. However, Democrats also lag far behind the number of absentees requested at this point in 2012, while Republicans are slightly ahead of their past performance. It’s not enough for Democrats to simply beat Republicans on the early vote, they need to do it by a wide margin.

The national Clinton campaign reportedly researched when the most effective time of the campaign was to talk with voters, and used that data to adjust the early vote schedule.

The first day early vote numbers were publicly reported, Democrats were only at 45% of their totals in 2012 at that time. Now they’re to 56%.

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Jeez! Those are encouraging numbers for IA Republicans.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 02, 2016, 08:25:31 PM
Again... the Dems are still lagging timeline-wise. If we're still in this place in 10 days, then I'll be concerned.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 02, 2016, 11:41:12 PM
Quote
Jon Ralston
‏@RalstonReports
Just noticed Dems went up 130,000 voters over GOP in Clark County (Vegas). In 2012, on Election Day: 127,000. 2008: 125,000
#ClarkMatters


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Xing on October 03, 2016, 12:55:46 AM
Quote
Jon Ralston
‏@RalstonReports
Just noticed Dems went up 130,000 voters over GOP in Clark County (Vegas). In 2012, on Election Day: 127,000. 2008: 125,000
#ClarkMatters

Either I was right all along, or Ascott's and my avatar really are working some magic here. ;)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 03, 2016, 07:28:18 AM
Quote
Jon Ralston
‏@RalstonReports
Just noticed Dems went up 130,000 voters over GOP in Clark County (Vegas). In 2012, on Election Day: 127,000. 2008: 125,000
#ClarkMatters

Nevada moves to Lean D with those registration numbers. Not enough votes in the rest of the state to offset. Probably moves the Senate race to Tossup even with Cortez-Masto trailing in most polling


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 03, 2016, 09:56:00 AM
Some Florida news:

https://twitter.com/electionsmith/status/782929522773680128

Dems have submitted 469k new voter registration forms. GOP submitted only 59k


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: heatcharger on October 03, 2016, 03:33:14 PM
Some Florida news:

https://twitter.com/electionsmith/status/782929522773680128

Dems have submitted 469k new voter registration forms. GOP submitted only 59k

Wow! Any comparison to 2012? Looks like Hillary's giant GOTV advantage is starting to pay off.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 03, 2016, 03:45:12 PM
What does that mean? Have they been stockpiling forms, and will submit soon, or does it just mean the GOP is mostly self registering, while the Dems have been registering a lot of people manually?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 03, 2016, 04:23:26 PM
Jon Rolston again:

New NV voter reg numbers: Ds up 77,467, picked up a net 5,830 in September. Margin up to 5.6  percent. Indies now more than 20 % of total.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 03, 2016, 04:33:51 PM
DDHQ:

Colorado registration (active) as of this afternoon:
D 998,845
R 992,944
Ds now boast registration edge in CO.
UNA 1,080,438
 
Democrats take the active registration lead! Four years it was this:

In mid-Oct 2012, reg in CO stood at:
R 912456
D 871712
UNAF 882063


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 03, 2016, 05:15:25 PM
I see my prediction of Democrats taking the edge in active voter registration this month in Colorado has come true. Historic!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 03, 2016, 05:18:48 PM
I see my prediction of Democrats taking the edge in active voter registration this month in Colorado has come true. Historic!

(づ◕‿‿◕)づ [Accolades]


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on October 03, 2016, 05:25:46 PM
OTOH the Democrats registration edge continues to decline in Nevada.
What's up there?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 03, 2016, 05:40:46 PM
OTOH the Democrats registration edge continues to decline in Nevada.
What's up there?
It's not as far as I can tell. Democrats increased their edge in Active voters from August to September.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on October 03, 2016, 05:57:39 PM
OTOH the Democrats registration edge continues to decline in Nevada.
What's up there?
It's not as far as I can tell. Democrats increased their edge in Active voters from August to September.

@RalstonReports

Partisan edge by registration:
2008 final: Ds +8.4 percent
2012 final: Ds +7.2 percent
2016 now: Ds +5.6 percent

Trend with a capital T.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on October 03, 2016, 07:02:00 PM
OTOH the Democrats registration edge continues to decline in Nevada.
What's up there?
It's not as far as I can tell. Democrats increased their edge in Active voters from August to September.

@RalstonReports

Partisan edge by registration:
2008 final: Ds +8.4 percent
2012 final: Ds +7.2 percent
2016 now: Ds +5.6 percent

Trend with a capital T.


SoCal Anglo retirees moving to NV are greater than population growth among Native residents, especially considering the Latino population.

Baby Boomers, that are rapidly becoming the most selfish generation in modern American history, are now selling off their $500k ranch houses in OC and moving to the desert, and unlike SoCal, they can't live in their bubbleland of gated communities and golf courses, and the America of their rose-tinted glasses from the 1950s is much more diverse and multi-ethnic, and they simply don't that this country is so much different from back in the days.... (Sarcastic answer)

Ok--- that was a bit of a simplistic response, but I really do believe that migration of California retirees is shifting the Anglo vote more Republican, and that under a Democratic President (Obama) they have not seen housing relief from a catastrophic collapse of the retirement nest-egg, which for many Americans is basically the value of their house. (More serious answer).


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: KingSweden on October 03, 2016, 10:10:54 PM
OTOH the Democrats registration edge continues to decline in Nevada.
What's up there?
It's not as far as I can tell. Democrats increased their edge in Active voters from August to September.

@RalstonReports

Partisan edge by registration:
2008 final: Ds +8.4 percent
2012 final: Ds +7.2 percent
2016 now: Ds +5.6 percent

Trend with a capital T.


Which rhymes with P, which stands for Pool!!

...sorry


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 04, 2016, 09:14:41 AM
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/trackers/2016-10-04/clinton-camp-hispanics-mail-ballot-requests-up-in-fla-n-c

Hispanic voters’ requests for mail ballots are up 73% in Fla. compared to this point in 2012 and 43% in N.C., Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton’s campaign says in "field report" memo.

Black voters’ mail ballot requests in N.C. are up 73% from 2012


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Badger on October 04, 2016, 04:26:41 PM
Iowa absentee ballot stats as of 10/3

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RIP Dem hopes in IA.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Crumpets on October 04, 2016, 04:41:58 PM

It should be noted, though, that Obama won Iowa by about 92,000 votes in 2012. So at least the Dems have some wiggle room that they wouldn't have in a state like, say, Florida.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on October 04, 2016, 04:45:55 PM
New data from Iowa.

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 04, 2016, 04:48:55 PM
Looks like the GOP advantage is falling. We'll see if the Democratic strategy this cycle pays off in the late term.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on October 04, 2016, 05:14:46 PM

So if I see this right, the Dems are starting to pick up on the absentee ballot requests in IA, after deliberately holding out on the push until later than average in the season (Per some of the various political sites reporting)?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Badger on October 04, 2016, 11:15:02 PM

It should be noted, though, that Obama won Iowa by about 92,000 votes in 2012. So at least the Dems have some wiggle room that they would have in a state like, say, Florida.

IF Democrats don't drop at all in the election day vote while losing ground dramatically in thee early vote. but that's highly unlikely.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: StatesPoll on October 05, 2016, 03:52:47 AM
Intellectually bankrupt Statespoll comparing "ballots cast" data with ballot request data, proving once and for all that he lacks even basic reading comprehension.

You don't understand.

1. Most voters gonna vote in the end, once they requested Ballots.
2. Plus, Returned(voted) Rate, Normally Republican >>>> Democrats.
Especially in Florida even more
look Election 2014 results.
http://dos.myflorida.com/media/696917/early-voting-and-vote-by-mail-report-2014-gen.pdf

3. Mid-October, 2012 Returned(voted) : REP 44% | DEM 40%  
REP +4%
           vs
October 2nd, 2016 Returend(voted): REP 48% (1337 votes) | DEM 31.7% (883 votes)  
REP +16.3%

TRUMP is doing better +12.3% than Mitt Romney(2012).

Just admit you snobby, Now Florida = Likely TRUMP

  

You do realize domestic ballots, vast majority of absentee ballots, have not even been mailed yet (they go out this week). So far the only ballots that have returned are overseas/military. With fewer than 3,000 ballots returned (about 0.03% of expected turnout)  you can draw zero conclusions yet about Florida.  

really? Now 5296 ballots returned.(voted)

Florida: Vote-by-mail(absentee) Returned ballots(voted)
Total 5296 ballots. 10/5/2016   4:02 AM
Republican 2587 (48.84%) | Democrat 1596 (30.11%) | 3rd Party 179 (3.37%) |
 Independent 935 (17.65%)

Total requested ballots (vote-by-mail)  2,466,451 + 5296 = 2,471,741
3rd Party 59,603 + 179 = 59782.   59,782 / 2,471,741 = 2.41%

if those ballots(returend) are mostly overseas/military. how come returned(voted) 3rd party ballots (3.37%) are 1.4 time higher than total numbers of requested by 3rd party voters (2.41%)?

if those returned ballots are mostly overseas/military, 3rd party voters rate % should be lower or similar as total %



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Alcon on October 05, 2016, 04:48:59 AM
if those returned ballots are mostly overseas/military, 3rd party voters rate % should be lower or similar as total %

I don't follow.  Military voters are younger and more male, which is consistent with the group being disproportionately registered with third parties (plus third-party vote tends to be higher on bases in general).


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Brittain33 on October 05, 2016, 06:10:40 AM
Looks like Iowa Republicans may be maxing out the number of voters actually willing to show up for Trump vs. a normal Republican candidate.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Wolves on October 05, 2016, 02:18:36 PM
Let's look at this from the view of previous elections and the such, okay.

https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats

This is Florida, Florida has more votes by Republicans right now, at a number that allowed Obama to be ahead in 2012 and 2008. Calculating the percentage of this vote with how much of the Florida electorate voted in 2012 and 2008, we can calculate that 29.8% of the vote has been already decided and its on the side of the Republicans.

Now let's look at the unaffiliated, big thing that always decides elections, Obama only lost the unaffiliated vote by 5% in 2012, and even then the huge amount of Black turnout really rose him above (black turnout was close to 70%)

So how is Trump and Hillary doing between independents?

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/782649685286629376

This is a poll, many polls are alike it but this is the only one that is post debate. As we can see from the debate, the support went from Trump and Hillary to the Libertarian Gary Johnson.

But considering Trump is nearly ahead by 20% between independents, we can calculate that a majority of that independent early vote is going to Trump.

Meaning that Trump is winning easily by 150k (estimate) in Florida already, I haven't seen the NC early voting reports by party so I'd love someone to post them.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 05, 2016, 02:33:16 PM
To counter what is going to be a very heavy Democratic early vote, the Repubs have to be leading the Florida VBM by a minimum of 250K to have a chance. Today the VBM narrowed to a 110K advantage for the GOP. Additionally, a lot of Florida independents are Hispanic so the Indy vote is pretty close to even there


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 05, 2016, 02:54:43 PM
To counter what is going to be a very heavy Democratic early vote, the Repubs have to be leading the Florida VBM by a minimum of 250K to have a chance. Today the VBM narrowed to a 110K advantage for the GOP. Additionally, a lot of Florida independents are Hispanic so the Indy vote is pretty close to even there

From several days ago,

"Statewide, Republicans are ahead in ballot requests — 43 percent to 38 percent.
That's a much narrower gap than in 2008, the most recent in which comparable data was available. At that time, the Republicans held a solid lead in requests, 51 percent to 32 percent, according to data analyzed for the AP by Catalist, a Democratic firm that helped run data operations for President Obama's 2008 race. Obama won the state by 2.8 percentage points."


Trump has to be significantly ahead in ballot request. McCain lost FL by 2.8% despite being up 51-32% at a certain point.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 05, 2016, 03:58:43 PM
To counter what is going to be a very heavy Democratic early vote, the Repubs have to be leading the Florida VBM by a minimum of 250K to have a chance. Today the VBM narrowed to a 110K advantage for the GOP. Additionally, a lot of Florida independents are Hispanic so the Indy vote is pretty close to even there

From several days ago,

"Statewide, Republicans are ahead in ballot requests — 43 percent to 38 percent.
That's a much narrower gap than in 2008, the most recent in which comparable data was available. At that time, the Republicans held a solid lead in requests, 51 percent to 32 percent, according to data analyzed for the AP by Catalist, a Democratic firm that helped run data operations for President Obama's 2008 race. Obama won the state by 2.8 percentage points."


Trump has to be significantly ahead in ballot request. McCain lost FL by 2.8% despite being up 51-32% at a certain point.

Yeah, Florida is essentially a reverse Iowa.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 05, 2016, 04:00:49 PM
To counter what is going to be a very heavy Democratic early vote, the Repubs have to be leading the Florida VBM by a minimum of 250K to have a chance. Today the VBM narrowed to a 110K advantage for the GOP. Additionally, a lot of Florida independents are Hispanic so the Indy vote is pretty close to even there

From several days ago,

"Statewide, Republicans are ahead in ballot requests — 43 percent to 38 percent.
That's a much narrower gap than in 2008, the most recent in which comparable data was available. At that time, the Republicans held a solid lead in requests, 51 percent to 32 percent, according to data analyzed for the AP by Catalist, a Democratic firm that helped run data operations for President Obama's 2008 race. Obama won the state by 2.8 percentage points."


Trump has to be significantly ahead in ballot request. McCain lost FL by 2.8% despite being up 51-32% at a certain point.

Yeah, Florida is essentially a reverse Iowa.

I'll gladly take that trade.


Title: New Colorado Voter Registration Numbers
Post by: Person Man on October 05, 2016, 06:51:55 PM
It appears that Democrats have finally overtaken Republicans in active count in voting numbers.

http://www.coloradopols.com/diary/87996/dems-surpass-republicans-in-independent-plurality-colorado#sthash.cZafgvB2.dpbs


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 05, 2016, 08:04:42 PM
10/5

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Democrats still leading the accepted ballots! ;) Pretty amazing.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 05, 2016, 08:12:23 PM
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40 percent of returned and accepted ballots are from registered Democrats, 36 percent from registered Republicans, and 25 percent from registered unaffiliated voters. Comparing returned and accepted ballots to the same day cumulative totals from the parties in 2012, registered Democrats still lead in their percentage (117 percent compared to their 2012 same-day cumulative numbers), with registered unaffiliated voters at 114 percent, and registered Republicans are at 58 percent of their same-day numbers.

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http://www.oldnorthstatepolitics.com/

The republican turn out is way the hell down...Trumps crappy organization is really starting to show.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 05, 2016, 08:55:49 PM
When does in person early voting start in NC?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: TarHeelDem on October 05, 2016, 08:58:49 PM
When does in person early voting start in NC?

October 20.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Badger on October 05, 2016, 09:09:32 PM

So if I see this right, the Dems are starting to pick up on the absentee ballot requests in IA, after deliberately holding out on the push until later than average in the season (Per some of the various political sites reporting)?

Links?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 06, 2016, 02:59:45 PM
Updated CO absentee ballot stats (from #APElecRsch) 2,472 voted. By party reg Dem 47.7% Rep 24.1% Unaffiliated 26.6%

https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/784075959506874368


At least 186,293 people have voted in the 2016 election as of 10/5 http://www.electproject.org/early_2016


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 06, 2016, 03:01:10 PM
NC absentee ballot stats as of 10/6

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https://twitter.com/BowTiePolitics?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw




Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: indietraveler on October 06, 2016, 05:45:44 PM
I can confirm for Iowa that the democratic party is delaying their early voting process. I've voted early by mail each election since 2008 and just today I finally received my request form in the mail for a vote by mail ballot! I was about to make a call in the next few days to make a request.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 06, 2016, 09:00:39 PM
An early advantage for Clinton in Ohio:

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Elsewhere, Mook said that twice as many Democrats as Republicans are voting early in person in Iowa since the option became available last week, and he claimed the momentum in Ohio, where heavily Democratic Cuyahoga County, which includes Cleveland, accounts for one in six of the more than 950,000 absentee ballots received.

In 2012, Cuyahoga County accounted for 11.5% of the vote in Ohio. 17% of the absentee ballots are from Cuyahoga

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/06/clinton-campaign-claims-three-battleground-states-could-be-locked-through-early-voting/


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 06, 2016, 09:15:34 PM
An early advantage for Clinton in Ohio:

Quote
Elsewhere, Mook said that twice as many Democrats as Republicans are voting early in person in Iowa since the option became available last week, and he claimed the momentum in Ohio, where heavily Democratic Cuyahoga County, which includes Cleveland, accounts for one in six of the more than 950,000 absentee ballots received.

In 2012, Cuyahoga County accounted for 11.5% of the vote in Ohio. 17% of the absentee ballots are from Cuyahoga

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/06/clinton-campaign-claims-three-battleground-states-could-be-locked-through-early-voting/

Encouraging news.

She badly needs max turnout from Cuyahoga to carry Ohio.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 06, 2016, 09:35:16 PM
An early advantage for Clinton in Ohio:

Quote
Elsewhere, Mook said that twice as many Democrats as Republicans are voting early in person in Iowa since the option became available last week, and he claimed the momentum in Ohio, where heavily Democratic Cuyahoga County, which includes Cleveland, accounts for one in six of the more than 950,000 absentee ballots received.

In 2012, Cuyahoga County accounted for 11.5% of the vote in Ohio. 17% of the absentee ballots are from Cuyahoga

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/06/clinton-campaign-claims-three-battleground-states-could-be-locked-through-early-voting/

Encouraging news.

She badly needs max turnout from Cuyahoga to carry Ohio.

Very true. As for Florida, Mook is happy that Democrats have narrowed the gap with vote by mail. As long as they keep it relatively close (right now Repubs have 42.5% of the mail-in ballots, Dems have 38%, and Indies have the remaining 19.5%), they expect to overtake the Republicans in the early vote when in-person voting starts and think they'll have a larger lead going into Nov. 8 than Obama had 4 years ago


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 06, 2016, 11:20:02 PM


Added an update from Wisconsin, which puts the number of people who have voted over a quarter million: 268,623
4 retweets 3 likes
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject 1h1 hour ago


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 06, 2016, 11:35:30 PM


Added an update from Wisconsin, which puts the number of people who have voted over a quarter million: 268,623
4 retweets 3 likes
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject 1h1 hour ago


How much of that is from Dane/MKE?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 06, 2016, 11:48:03 PM


Added an update from Wisconsin, which puts the number of people who have voted over a quarter million: 268,623
4 retweets 3 likes
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject 1h1 hour ago


How much of that is from Dane/MKE?

http://www.electproject.org/early_2016

http://www.gab.wi.gov/node/4200

DANE COUNTY

Absentee Ballots Sent 17761
Absentee Ballots Returned 9719

MKE stands for Milwaukee I assume?

MILWAUKEE COUNTY

Absentee Ballots Sent 18721
Absentee Ballots Returned 6883


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 06, 2016, 11:53:49 PM


Added an update from Wisconsin, which puts the number of people who have voted over a quarter million: 268,623
4 retweets 3 likes
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject 1h1 hour ago


How much of that is from Dane/MKE?

http://www.electproject.org/early_2016

http://www.gab.wi.gov/node/4200

DANE COUNTY

Absentee Ballots Sent 17761
Absentee Ballots Returned 9719

MKE stands for Milwaukee I assume?

MILWAUKEE COUNTY

Absentee Ballots Sent 18721
Absentee Ballots Returned 6883

Yes, and how does that compare to previous years (if the data is available)?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 07, 2016, 12:00:53 AM


Added an update from Wisconsin, which puts the number of people who have voted over a quarter million: 268,623
4 retweets 3 likes
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject 1h1 hour ago


How much of that is from Dane/MKE?

http://www.electproject.org/early_2016

http://www.gab.wi.gov/node/4200

DANE COUNTY

Absentee Ballots Sent 17761
Absentee Ballots Returned 9719

MKE stands for Milwaukee I assume?

MILWAUKEE COUNTY

Absentee Ballots Sent 18721
Absentee Ballots Returned 6883

Yes, and how does that compare to previous years (if the data is available)?


I wasn't able to find anything. I'll post it if there is anything useful.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Adam Griffin on October 07, 2016, 04:22:43 AM
An early advantage for Clinton in Ohio:

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Elsewhere, Mook said that twice as many Democrats as Republicans are voting early in person in Iowa since the option became available last week, and he claimed the momentum in Ohio, where heavily Democratic Cuyahoga County, which includes Cleveland, accounts for one in six of the more than 950,000 absentee ballots received.

In 2012, Cuyahoga County accounted for 11.5% of the vote in Ohio. 17% of the absentee ballots are from Cuyahoga

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/06/clinton-campaign-claims-three-battleground-states-could-be-locked-through-early-voting/

Encouraging news.

She badly needs max turnout from Cuyahoga to carry Ohio.

Or the Democrats may just be cannibalizing their Election Day vote. That's what happened in Georgia in 2014: based on early vote totals, it appeared that the electorate was going to be 6 points blacker than in 2010 and with much higher turnout. Instead, turnout in 2014 was slightly lower than in 2010; you just had a lot more people show up during early voting overall, and disproportionately more Democrats on top of that. Democrats have increasingly becoming good at mastering early voting. It's part of the reason that the GOP has recently developed a hate-boner for it.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 07, 2016, 07:43:18 AM
An early advantage for Clinton in Ohio:

Quote
Elsewhere, Mook said that twice as many Democrats as Republicans are voting early in person in Iowa since the option became available last week, and he claimed the momentum in Ohio, where heavily Democratic Cuyahoga County, which includes Cleveland, accounts for one in six of the more than 950,000 absentee ballots received.

In 2012, Cuyahoga County accounted for 11.5% of the vote in Ohio. 17% of the absentee ballots are from Cuyahoga

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/06/clinton-campaign-claims-three-battleground-states-could-be-locked-through-early-voting/

Encouraging news.

She badly needs max turnout from Cuyahoga to carry Ohio.

Or the Democrats may just be cannibalizing their Election Day vote. That's what happened in Georgia in 2014: based on early vote totals, it appeared that the electorate was going to be 6 points blacker than in 2010 and with much higher turnout. Instead, turnout in 2014 was slightly lower than in 2010; you just had a lot more people show up during early voting overall, and disproportionately more Democrats on top of that. Democrats have increasingly becoming good at mastering early voting. It's part of the reason that the GOP has recently developed a hate-boner for it.

Very true, I think it's a mistake to put too much weight in early indications. Early voting boosts turnout overall according to research so in theory, it does benefit Democrats.

One can argue that Democrats lost badly in 2014 despite the early voting and would have lost even bigger without it.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 07, 2016, 08:51:00 AM
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2016/10/team-clinton-boasts-its-edging-gop-in-mailed-ballots-from-less-reliable-florida-voters.html

Some 2.7 million people have requested ballots, compared to 1.8 million at the same point in 2012, he said -- an almost 50 percent increase. Requests from Hispanics are up 77 percent from the same point in 2012, he said, and from Asian-Americans up nearly 80 percent.

But the most important bit of data he highlighted was ballot requests from "low-propensity" voters -- people who don't reliably participate in elections.

"We are turning out more of our low-propensity voters than the Republicans, and that's what really matters when you're trying to win an election in the margins," Mook said.

http://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2016/10/both-major-partys-cannibalizing-as-they-post-vote-by-mails-gains-106084

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Of the ballot requests, for those that didn't vote in 2012, 19% are Democrats, 16% Republicans.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Sorenroy on October 07, 2016, 09:29:08 AM
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Of the ballot requests, for those that didn't vote in 2012, 19% are Democrats, 16% Republicans.

Actually, what this shows is that 16% of the total number of Republicans who requested these ballots for 2016 did not vote in 2012, rather than that 16% of ballot requests from people who didn't vote in 2012 are Republican (same goes for the other two, I just chose Republicans as my example).


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 07, 2016, 09:44:26 AM
Ahha, you're right, that doesn't add up to 100%.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 07, 2016, 10:44:12 AM
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  1m1 minute ago
Real improvement for Dems in Maine CD-2 compared to past updates, might expect polling improvement there

Referencing chart available here:

https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/784418320812343299


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 07, 2016, 10:45:31 AM
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  1m1 minute ago
Real improvement for Dems in Maine CD-2 compared to past updates, might expect polling improvement there

Referencing chart available here:

https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/784418320812343299

I think when it's all said and done, CD-2 will be closer than past years but we are going to laugh at ourselves for thinking Trump could win it.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Holmes on October 07, 2016, 01:23:25 PM
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  1m1 minute ago
Real improvement for Dems in Maine CD-2 compared to past updates, might expect polling improvement there

Referencing chart available here:

https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/784418320812343299

I think when it's all said and done, CD-2 will be closer than past years but we are going to laugh at ourselves for thinking Trump could win it.

I agree. Obama won it by 8% in 2012. I can see Clinton winning by 4-5%, an increase in support for Republicans but still a comfortable Democratic victory.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 07, 2016, 02:24:37 PM
Starting to pick up nicely

Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject 2h2 hours ago

With a slew of updates today from #APElecRsch and states, at least 410,933 people have voted in the 2016 election http://www.electproject.org/early_2016


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 07, 2016, 02:34:24 PM
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/784470654091419648

According to Nate Cohn/Upshot, at this point in mail voting, Romney was up 24. Trump is only up 1 among those who have returned mail ballots.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 07, 2016, 02:38:59 PM
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/784470654091419648

According to Nate Cohn/Upshot, at this point in mail voting, Romney was up 24. Trump is only up 1 among those who have returned mail ballots.

That's not quite right-- he said that his model predicts that TRUMP would have been up +24 if the same exact people who voted early by mail by this point in 2012 also were the only ones who voted early by mail so far this year.

So presumably Romney would have been up even more...


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: / on October 07, 2016, 02:40:19 PM
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  1m1 minute ago
Real improvement for Dems in Maine CD-2 compared to past updates, might expect polling improvement there

Referencing chart available here:

https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/784418320812343299


Based off of that chart, it looks like the second district will trend towards Trump, but definitely not enough for him to win it.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 07, 2016, 02:43:47 PM
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/784470654091419648

According to Nate Cohn/Upshot, at this point in mail voting, Romney was up 24. Trump is only up 1 among those who have returned mail ballots.

Hillary is working Trump on the ground in NC


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 07, 2016, 02:52:48 PM
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article106618097.html

Wisconsin: Numbers compiled by the state Elections Commission show that as of Friday, 70,740 absentee ballots have been returned statewide. Of those, 22,511 were from either Milwaukee or Dane counties, or about 31 percent of the total cast statewide. By comparison, in the heavily Republican suburban Milwaukee counties of Waukesha, Ozaukee and Washington, only 6,420 early votes have been cast.



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 07, 2016, 03:00:06 PM
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article106618097.html

Wisconsin: Numbers compiled by the state Elections Commission show that as of Friday, 70,740 absentee ballots have been returned statewide. Of those, 22,511 were from either Milwaukee or Dane counties, or about 31 percent of the total cast statewide. By comparison, in the heavily Republican suburban Milwaukee counties of Waukesha, Ozaukee and Washington, only 6,420 early votes have been cast.



Are there comparable 2008 or 2012 data for ballots cast as of this point for WI?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Wells on October 07, 2016, 03:03:36 PM
The current map of early voting by party this year:

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Dems 34
Reps 29
Began 127
No votes 348


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 07, 2016, 06:12:52 PM
Is there data on what % of eligible voters have cast a vote in each State?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 08, 2016, 10:12:35 AM
‏@LatinoDecisions
Stunning partisan reversal among Cuban Americans in Hialeah, FL:
Voter reg thru 2012: +13 Rep
Voter reg in 2016: +12 Dem
via @electionsmith

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Seems like Cubans are turning against him in FL.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 08, 2016, 10:15:51 AM
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New Democrats registration outnumber Republicans registration in most age category in NC.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Holmes on October 08, 2016, 11:11:48 AM
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New Democrats registration outnumber Republicans registration in most age category in NC.

Nice. If this holds, we can see North Carolina become Dem > Indie > GOP in registration in the long run. Bad sign for Republicans there.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 08, 2016, 01:31:56 PM
After Palm Beach County finally updated its ballot requests, Democrats have narrowed the Republican advantage in statewide VBM ballot requests to approximately 87,600

GOP: 1,130,494 (41.9%)
Dem: 1,042,897 (38.6%)
Ind/NPA: 459,465 (17.0%)
Other: 65,689 (2.4%)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Holmes on October 08, 2016, 01:42:45 PM
After Palm Beach County finally updated its ballot requests, Democrats have narrowed the Republican advantage in statewide VBM ballot requests to approximately 87,600

GOP: 1,130,494 (41.9%)
Dem: 1,042,897 (38.6%)
Ind/NPA: 459,465 (17.0%)
Other: 65,689 (2.4%)

Florida's gone for Trump, especially after yesterday.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 08, 2016, 01:49:40 PM
After Palm Beach County finally updated its ballot requests, Democrats have narrowed the Republican advantage in statewide VBM ballot requests to approximately 87,600

GOP: 1,130,494 (41.9%)
Dem: 1,042,897 (38.6%)
Ind/NPA: 459,465 (17.0%)
Other: 65,689 (2.4%)
RIP Statespoll's methodically plotted calculations.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Cruzcrew on October 08, 2016, 03:22:25 PM
After Palm Beach County finally updated its ballot requests, Democrats have narrowed the Republican advantage in statewide VBM ballot requests to approximately 87,600

GOP: 1,130,494 (41.9%)
Dem: 1,042,897 (38.6%)
Ind/NPA: 459,465 (17.0%)
Other: 65,689 (2.4%)
RIP Statespoll's methodically plotted calculations.
RIP Likely R Florida


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 08, 2016, 06:54:26 PM
488K new registration forms submitted by the Florida Democratic Party; 60K by the Florida Republican Party (http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512481794)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 08, 2016, 07:29:00 PM
488K new registration forms submitted by the Florida Democratic Party; 60K by the Florida Republican Party (http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512481794)

That could be worth 3-4 points. A gap that big is a structural shift in the electorate. About 8.5 million voted in the 2012 election in FL


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 09, 2016, 08:13:45 AM
Florida VBM requests: Democrats narrow Republican edge to 80K

GOP: 1,126,999 (41.7%)
DEM: 1,046,634 (38.7%)
IND: 461,857 (17.1%)
Others: 65,717 (2.4%)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 09, 2016, 09:44:08 AM
488K new registration forms submitted by the Florida Democratic Party; 60K by the Florida Republican Party (http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512481794)

That could be worth 3-4 points. A gap that big is a structural shift in the electorate. About 8.5 million voted in the 2012 election in FL

What does this even mean though? Are these last minute forms being dumped, or are they already baked in the numbers?

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/politics/os-voter-registration-campaign-20160914-story.html
If it's baked in already, they have already been losing ground.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: StatesPoll on October 09, 2016, 07:59:06 PM
After Palm Beach County finally updated its ballot requests, Democrats have narrowed the Republican advantage in statewide VBM ballot requests to approximately 87,600

GOP: 1,130,494 (41.9%)
Dem: 1,042,897 (38.6%)
Ind/NPA: 459,465 (17.0%)
Other: 65,689 (2.4%)
RIP Statespoll's methodically plotted calculations.

wrong.

https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats

10/09/2016 10:04AM

FL Vote-by-Mail (Voted)
Total 28412 votes
REP 13338 (46.94%) | DEM 9659 (33.99%)

Still 12.95% ahead :p

Romney(October 16th 2012): Rep + 4%
TRUMP (October 9th 2012): Rep + 12.95%

News was written at October 16th, 2012
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/15/1144854/-Dems-well-positioned-in-Florida-outworking-Republicans-relative-to-2008

The Republicans lead Democrats when it comes to absentee votes cast, about 126,000 to 114,000. In percentage terms, Republicans lead Democrats 44-40 percent..  Republican +4%


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ‼realJohnEwards‼ on October 09, 2016, 09:49:43 PM
After Palm Beach County finally updated its ballot requests, Democrats have narrowed the Republican advantage in statewide VBM ballot requests to approximately 87,600

GOP: 1,130,494 (41.9%)
Dem: 1,042,897 (38.6%)
Ind/NPA: 459,465 (17.0%)
Other: 65,689 (2.4%)
RIP Statespoll's methodically plotted calculations.

wrong.

https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats

10/09/2016 10:04AM

FL Vote-by-Mail (Voted)
Total 28412 votes
REP 13338 (46.94%) | DEM 9659 (33.99%)

Still 12.95% ahead :p

Romney(October 16th 2012): Rep + 4%
TRUMP (October 9th 2012): Rep + 12.95%

News was written at October 16th, 2012
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/15/1144854/-Dems-well-positioned-in-Florida-outworking-Republicans-relative-to-2008

The Republicans lead Democrats when it comes to absentee votes cast, about 126,000 to 114,000. In percentage terms, Republicans lead Democrats 44-40 percent..  Republican +4%
sample sizes m'dear


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 09, 2016, 11:19:00 PM
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  3m3 minutes ago
My roundup of early voting for the week ending 10/8:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-p-mcdonald/early-voting-a-month-to-g_b_12424562.html


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 09, 2016, 11:30:58 PM
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  3m3 minutes ago
My roundup of early voting for the week ending 10/8:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-p-mcdonald/early-voting-a-month-to-g_b_12424562.html
He bizarrely thinks Des Moines is in Dallas County (it's actually in Polk).


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 09, 2016, 11:33:30 PM
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  3m3 minutes ago
My roundup of early voting for the week ending 10/8:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-p-mcdonald/early-voting-a-month-to-g_b_12424562.html
He bizarrely thinks Des Moines is in Dallas County (it's actually in Polk).

Also says that CD-1 is a good representation for Southeast Wisconsin. That being said, mistakes happen.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 10, 2016, 12:13:19 AM
Is there data on what % of eligible voters have cast a vote in each State?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 10, 2016, 12:16:16 AM

I haven't seen it.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 10, 2016, 01:07:30 PM
VIRGINIA: "The Fairfax County's elections office has seen 6,000 votes cast by absentee voters as of Friday, 2,000 more votes compared to the same time four years ago, according to spokeswoman Lisa Connors."

http://patch.com/virginia/annandale/absentee-voting-underway-fairfax-county-6-000-have-voted-friday


Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  5m5 minutes ago
Michael McDonald Retweeted Michael McDonald
Seeing this in @ArlingtonVotes, too. No party reg in VA, but this looks similar to NC pattern of high Dem interest


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on October 10, 2016, 01:17:11 PM
Trump is going to make Fairfax and the other NOVA counties look like Brooklyn.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 10, 2016, 04:47:04 PM
Florida's voter registration deadline extended by 1 day in court (to October 12) after Clinton's campaign brought suit against Gov. Scott

https://www.dropbox.com/s/77qsoirtd67o9ff/show_temp.pl-6.pdf?dl=0


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 10, 2016, 05:21:22 PM
Florida's voter registration deadline extended by 1 day in court (to October 12) after Clinton's campaign brought suit against Gov. Scott

https://www.dropbox.com/s/77qsoirtd67o9ff/show_temp.pl-6.pdf?dl=0

Sounds like there is going to be a hearing on Wednesday and the court could rule to extend registration even further.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 11, 2016, 01:50:00 AM
Total number of ballots cast in all reporting jurisdictions: 461,583

http://www.electproject.org/early_2016



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 11, 2016, 07:47:51 AM
Pre-debates votes cast, number of votes returned _ days before the 2016 election (purple). 2012=gray

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/11/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-debate-early-voting/
http://imgur.com/a/qNo2M
https://twitter.com/jon_m_rob/status/785821423193366528?lang=en

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 11, 2016, 08:49:57 AM
Florida ballot requests: Dems have narrowed the GOP vote-by-mail advantage to 68,000

GOP: 1,133,754
Dem: 1,065,059
Ind: 473,902
Other: 66,665

Early votes counted:

GOP: 21,106
Dem: 18,419
Ind: 7,290
Other: 1,591


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 11, 2016, 09:17:42 AM
Would be interesting to know, of the GOP ballots, how much are Latino/Cuban/Hispanic.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 11, 2016, 09:53:58 AM
democrats are weakened in the rust belt...and soaring at the coast states.



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 11, 2016, 10:01:33 AM
democrats are weakened in the rust belt...and soaring at the coast states.

Huh? Not seeing any issues in the rust belt, other than Iowa. Ohio I believe cut back on the absentee/early voting times. Michigan, Minnesota, and Wisconsin look pretty good!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 11, 2016, 12:33:07 PM
So, 0.3% of the expected votes have already been cast.

Yay !


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 11, 2016, 06:48:27 PM
https://twitter.com/gdebenedetti/status/785878553749557249

North Carolina
- Black registration up 6% since 2012
- Latino registration up 50% since 2012

Florida
- 10/3 to 10/9, Dems outnumbered GOP mail ballot requests 2:1

Nevada
- Latino registration up 24% since 2012


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 11, 2016, 06:52:13 PM
The Latino surge is real!!!! :D


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on October 11, 2016, 07:38:53 PM
Hillary's going to win NC, and it's going to be more Dem than FL.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 11, 2016, 11:59:15 PM
Total number of ballots cast in all reporting jurisdictions: 509,658

http://www.electproject.org/early_2016


People are voting as Trump is down big time!  Expect the rate to speed up the next couple of weeks.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 12, 2016, 12:07:50 AM
Looks like IA is starting to slowly correct itself.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 12, 2016, 12:53:54 AM
Maine is looking pretty good for the democrats!

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NC nearly tied

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 12, 2016, 07:35:09 AM
http://targetsmart.com/news-item/smartshot-200-million-voters/

42.6% of new and updated registrants lean Democratic vs 29% lean GOP and 28% lean Independent.

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 12, 2016, 08:47:29 AM
Early in-person voting started today in Ohio so we get to see the Hillary ground game do their thing


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Brittain33 on October 12, 2016, 09:08:50 AM
All of the above is true, but if there is a haircut across the board for Trump it's going to take out Georgia.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 12, 2016, 10:44:38 AM
Florida VBM ballot requests:

GOP: 1,122,963 (41.0%)
DEM: 1,065,295 (39.0%)
IND: 480,200 (17.6%)
Other: 66,142 (2.4%)

Florida VBM Votes cast:

GOP: 43,409 (42.7%)
DEM: 40,093 (39.4%)
IND: 14,929 (14.7%)
Other: 3,305 (3.2%)

The Democrats have narrowed the traditional Republican advantage in VBM requests + votes cast to around 60K. That slim advantage is nowhere near enough, in my opinion, for the Republicans to carry Florida considering the major Democratic advantage during in-person early voting


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 12, 2016, 10:57:19 AM
On the other hand, the Republicans still have a glimmer of hope in Iowa. Yesterday, the ballot requests and votes received looked like this:

Ballots Requested

DEM: 128,421
GOP: 95,888
IND: 57,190
Other: 695

Ballots Cast

DEM: 56,553
GOP: 27,933
IND: 18,416
Other: 228

Now Clinton has a 90,000 vote cushion to work with from 2012 but the Dem ballot requests are still lagging significantly from 2012, where Obama won the state before election day


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 12, 2016, 11:02:06 AM
I also believe with the Florida voter registration deadline moved back to October 18, the VBM request deadline might also be moved back to the same date, but we'll have to see the details of the ruling


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 12, 2016, 12:00:08 PM
https://twitter.com/electionsmith/status/786240169338777600
Cool stat, regarding recently registered voters, specifically ones in the last week of registration.

Florida: Of the 151k voters  registered Oct1-Oct9, 2012, 68.5% voted in Nov 6 election.
Of the state's 12.5m reg voters, 68.3% voted .


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 12, 2016, 01:10:13 PM
https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/786258607616561152
This doesn't seem good for Clinton.

Statewide, OH absentee ballot requests are down 2.6% from 2012.

In Democratic strongholds:
Cuyahoga -16.1%
Franklin -16.3%
Hamilton -3.1%


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 12, 2016, 01:18:49 PM
https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/786258607616561152
This doesn't seem good for Clinton.

Statewide, OH absentee ballot requests are down 2.6% from 2012.

In Democratic strongholds:
Cuyahoga -16.1%
Franklin -16.3%
Hamilton -3.1%

As one of the tweet commenters noted, this could be due to lack of interest from Republican moderates who are concentrated in Dem strongholds...


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 12, 2016, 01:43:21 PM
https://twitter.com/_TargetSmart/status/786273435278127104

Party affiliation of early voters (estimated for Virginia, Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia). Comparisons can't really be made to 2012 yet, since in person early voting dominates in Georgia, North Carolina.

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on October 12, 2016, 01:48:45 PM
https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/786258607616561152
This doesn't seem good for Clinton.

Statewide, OH absentee ballot requests are down 2.6% from 2012.

In Democratic strongholds:
Cuyahoga -16.1%
Franklin -16.3%
Hamilton -3.1%

As one of the tweet commenters noted, this could be due to lack of interest from Republican moderates who are concentrated in Dem strongholds...

It's not just moderates, Republican enthusiasm is just about non-existent in Franklin County atm.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 12, 2016, 01:53:59 PM
https://twitter.com/_TargetSmart/status/786273435278127104

Party affiliation of early voters (estimated for Virginia, Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia). Comparisons can't really be made to 2012 yet, since in person early voting dominates in Georgia, North Carolina.

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Looking good in IA, WI, VA and MI.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 12, 2016, 02:05:25 PM
since hillary never really needed OH but would take it anway .....liberals can take this relaxed.

florida and NC are muuuuch more important.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 12, 2016, 02:31:57 PM
https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/786258607616561152
This doesn't seem good for Clinton.

Statewide, OH absentee ballot requests are down 2.6% from 2012.

In Democratic strongholds:
Cuyahoga -16.1%
Franklin -16.3%
Hamilton -3.1%

As one of the tweet commenters noted, this could be due to lack of interest from Republican moderates who are concentrated in Dem strongholds...

It's not just moderates, Republican enthusiasm is just about non-existent in Franklin County atm.

If moderate Republicans are the reason, shouldn't Hamilton see a bigger drop-off than 3%? At the same time, I can't deduce at this point whether this is the first bad sign for Hillary in OH. Absentee is dominated by Republicans in most states.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on October 12, 2016, 02:39:45 PM
https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/786258607616561152
This doesn't seem good for Clinton.

Statewide, OH absentee ballot requests are down 2.6% from 2012.

In Democratic strongholds:
Cuyahoga -16.1%
Franklin -16.3%
Hamilton -3.1%

As one of the tweet commenters noted, this could be due to lack of interest from Republican moderates who are concentrated in Dem strongholds...

It's not just moderates, Republican enthusiasm is just about non-existent in Franklin County atm.

If moderate Republicans are the reason, shouldn't Hamilton see a bigger drop-off than 3%? At the same time, I can't deduce at this point whether this is the first bad sign for Hillary in OH. Absentee is dominated by Republicans in most states.

I'm not just talking about moderates, it's Republicans in general (also the Cincinnati suburbs are home to some pretty right-wing Republicans, very different from what you'd find in Franklin County).  Also, I was just talking about Franklin County.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on October 12, 2016, 03:46:25 PM
Kyle Kondik mentioned on twitter that Clinton should make pretty substantial gains at Columbus' suburbs. These people are Kasich Republicans.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 12, 2016, 03:48:43 PM
   Total number of ballots cast in all reporting jurisdictions:   568,678


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 12, 2016, 05:23:53 PM
The spreadsheet updated

As of 10/12

  Total number of ballots cast in all reporting jurisdictions:  592,936

http://www.electproject.org/early_2016

101,634 have voted in Florida
117,754 have voted in Iowa
49,647 have voted in Michigan
67,079 have voted in Virginia


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 12, 2016, 07:37:08 PM
                       Total number of ballots cast in all reporting jurisdictions:   654,239


Update: 658,202


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 13, 2016, 09:58:27 AM
https://www.wired.com/2016/10/hashtag-can-tell-us-early-voting-ohio/

I hate unscientific data much as anyone but here it is.


"But it’s hard to ignore the surprising enthusiasm gap between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump in the hashtag #OHVotesEarly, which started trending on Twitter this morning as early voting kicked off in Ohio. Throughout the election cycle, Clinton supporters have often been out-shouted by Trump’s and Bernie Sanders’ more vocal voter bases. Today, however, the Ohio hashtag was brimming with photos of voters who had already cast votes for Hillary Clinton. Meanwhile, many of the tweets that included references to Trump were about how the hashtag is—you guessed it—rigged.

But according to Twitter’s data, the enthusiasm gap is real. The social media site tells WIRED that of the tweets sent using the hashtag #OHVotesEarly over the last 24 hours, 75 percent included mentions of Clinton, while just 25 mentioned Trump. “It’s an inexact science,” says Twitter spokesman Nick Pacilio, but it’s a staggering disparity, nonetheless.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Badger on October 13, 2016, 10:23:19 AM
https://www.wired.com/2016/10/hashtag-can-tell-us-early-voting-ohio/

I hate unscientific data much as anyone but here it is.


"But it’s hard to ignore the surprising enthusiasm gap between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump in the hashtag #OHVotesEarly, which started trending on Twitter this morning as early voting kicked off in Ohio. Throughout the election cycle, Clinton supporters have often been out-shouted by Trump’s and Bernie Sanders’ more vocal voter bases. Today, however, the Ohio hashtag was brimming with photos of voters who had already cast votes for Hillary Clinton. Meanwhile, many of the tweets that included references to Trump were about how the hashtag is—you guessed it—rigged.

But according to Twitter’s data, the enthusiasm gap is real. The social media site tells WIRED that of the tweets sent using the hashtag #OHVotesEarly over the last 24 hours, 75 percent included mentions of Clinton, while just 25 mentioned Trump. “It’s an inexact science,” says Twitter spokesman Nick Pacilio, but it’s a staggering disparity, nonetheless.

it's particularly inaccurate as hashtag anything skews heavily towards younger voters. how many people over 55 have a twitter account? over 65?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 13, 2016, 10:34:10 AM
https://www.wired.com/2016/10/hashtag-can-tell-us-early-voting-ohio/

I hate unscientific data much as anyone but here it is.


"But it’s hard to ignore the surprising enthusiasm gap between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump in the hashtag #OHVotesEarly, which started trending on Twitter this morning as early voting kicked off in Ohio. Throughout the election cycle, Clinton supporters have often been out-shouted by Trump’s and Bernie Sanders’ more vocal voter bases. Today, however, the Ohio hashtag was brimming with photos of voters who had already cast votes for Hillary Clinton. Meanwhile, many of the tweets that included references to Trump were about how the hashtag is—you guessed it—rigged.

But according to Twitter’s data, the enthusiasm gap is real. The social media site tells WIRED that of the tweets sent using the hashtag #OHVotesEarly over the last 24 hours, 75 percent included mentions of Clinton, while just 25 mentioned Trump. “It’s an inexact science,” says Twitter spokesman Nick Pacilio, but it’s a staggering disparity, nonetheless.

it's particularly inaccurate as hashtag anything skews heavily towards younger voters. how many people over 55 have a twitter account? over 65?

I agree that it's really skewed but it's hard to gauge the magnitude of it because Twitter doesn't collect age as far as I know. Early voting is dominated by Democrats in most states so while it likely isn't 75-25 in favor of Hillary, it's reasonable to believe she's definitely received much higher than Trump.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: alomas on October 13, 2016, 11:23:40 AM
Good numbers from Trump in FL and NC, which have already been strongest Republican swing-states in 2012. He must win those states. I don't care about Virginia and Wisconsin, Clinton can carry them by double-digits (that looks realistic) if only Trump will edge the ones he needs.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 13, 2016, 11:25:02 AM
Good numbers from Trump in FL and NC, which have already been strongest Republican swing-states in 2012. He must win those states. I don't care about Virginia and Wisconsin, Clinton can carry them by double-digits (that looks realistic) if only Trump will edge the ones he needs.

He's actually underperforming Romney and McCain in both of these states so these are not good numbers for him.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 13, 2016, 11:42:43 AM
Good numbers from Trump in FL and NC, which have already been strongest Republican swing-states in 2012. He must win those states. I don't care about Virginia and Wisconsin, Clinton can carry them by double-digits (that looks realistic) if only Trump will edge the ones he needs.

Yeah, he's embarrassingly underperforming Romney in both of these states. As of 10/7 he was probably underperforming Romney by 23 points in North Carolina and Clinton has almost caught up to Trump in vote by my requests in Florida. Obama was never close before in person voting started in either state.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: MasterJedi on October 13, 2016, 12:35:27 PM
Too bad the rest of Wisconsin doesn't have early voting like the city of Milwaukee. They started on September 24. I have off this week, would have love to have voted early. Have to wait until October 24th and rush after I get off work since they close a half hour after.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 13, 2016, 12:37:19 PM
Too bad the rest of Wisconsin doesn't have early voting like the city of Milwaukee. They started on September 24. I have off this week, would have love to have voted early. Have to wait until October 24th and rush after I get off work since they close a half hour after.

It was up to the local clerk in each municipality, I think. It's pretty much opened 100% right now in Dane County.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 13, 2016, 12:49:41 PM
As of early 10/13

  Total number of ballots cast in all reporting jurisdictions:  756,027


NC as of 10/13. Republican turn out is WAY DOWN!

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 13, 2016, 12:58:57 PM
Woof. Those numbers are brutal. Surely this would be a disaster downballot if it continues?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 13, 2016, 01:00:28 PM
Republicans only take the lead only 1 week before in-person early-voting starts, ouch!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 13, 2016, 01:02:05 PM
Guys, please stop the hype !

Only 0.6% of the vote is in so far.

And only 140K people have even requested ballots in NC, out of an expected vote of 4.5 million.

Even if Dems do a little better now with these few requested ballots, Trump could absolutely crush Hillary among election day voters ...

This is so meaningless right now.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: JerryArkansas on October 13, 2016, 01:11:29 PM
Guys, please stop the hype !

Only 0.6% of the vote is in so far.

And only 140K people have even requested ballots in NC, out of an expected vote of 4.5 million.

Even if Dems do a little better now with these few requested ballots, Trump could absolutely crush Hillary among election day voters ...

This is so meaningless right now.
Tender, when you are doing half of what a 2 point win was in 2012, with demographic numbers on,y worse against you, it points to a fatal defect in your ground work.  If Trump can't get them to request a damn ballot, how in gods name will he get them to the polls?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 13, 2016, 01:29:47 PM
Guys, please stop the hype !
This is so meaningless right now.

I agree, at least, don't think we need daily updates of slight movements. Would rather read more detailed analysis from election experts, and if we want daily analysis, we can follow https://twitter.com/ElectProject


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 13, 2016, 01:39:52 PM
Even if Dems do a little better now with these few requested ballots, Trump could absolutely crush Hillary among election day voters ...

you are absolutely right but "a little better" seems to understate it.



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 13, 2016, 01:45:17 PM
Guys, please stop the hype !

Only 0.6% of the vote is in so far.

And only 140K people have even requested ballots in NC, out of an expected vote of 4.5 million.

Even if Dems do a little better now with these few requested ballots, Trump could absolutely crush Hillary among election day voters ...

This is so meaningless right now.
Tender, when you are doing half of what a 2 point win was in 2012, with demographic numbers on,y worse against you, it points to a fatal defect in your ground work.  If Trump can't get them to request a damn ballot, how in gods name will he get them to the polls?

Because it's apples and oranges. In the Austrian presidential election, far-right winger Hofer won the election day vote 52-48 (which was 85% of the total vote), but left-winger Van der Bellen won the postal vote (15% of the vote) by 65-35, giving him the small win.

Just because the Dems do well with a handful of requested postal ballots, it doesn't mean this will be an indicator for a good election outcome for them ...

If the trend continues with 70-80% of the postal vote in, that's a different thing. But hyping around with 1% of postal ballots cast is ridiculous.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: JerryArkansas on October 13, 2016, 01:46:29 PM
Guys, please stop the hype !

Only 0.6% of the vote is in so far.

And only 140K people have even requested ballots in NC, out of an expected vote of 4.5 million.

Even if Dems do a little better now with these few requested ballots, Trump could absolutely crush Hillary among election day voters ...

This is so meaningless right now.
Tender, when you are doing half of what a 2 point win was in 2012, with demographic numbers on,y worse against you, it points to a fatal defect in your ground work.  If Trump can't get them to request a damn ballot, how in gods name will he get them to the polls?

Because it's apples and oranges. In the Austrian presidential election, far-right winger Hofer won the election day vote 52-48 (which was 85% of the total vote), but left-winger Van der Bellen won the postal vote (15% of the vote) by 65-35, giving him the small win.

Just because the Dems do well with a handful of requested postal ballots, it doesn't mean this will be an indicator for a good election outcome for them ...

If the trend continues with 70-80% of the postal vote in, that's a different thing. But hyping around with 1% of postal ballots cast is ridiculous.
When Republican margins are built on these damn postal votes going massively for them, then yes it is ok to follow this kind of stuff.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 13, 2016, 01:50:08 PM
Even if Dems do a little better now with these few requested ballots, Trump could absolutely crush Hillary among election day voters ...

you are absolutely right but "a little better" seems to understate it.

Why ? There isn't even a coherent trend right now that favours the Democrats.

For example in FL, which already has 3 million absentee requests Republicans actually are ahead by a few points.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Maxwell on October 13, 2016, 01:52:41 PM
Even if Dems do a little better now with these few requested ballots, Trump could absolutely crush Hillary among election day voters ...

you are absolutely right but "a little better" seems to understate it.

Why ? There isn't even a coherent trend right now that favours the Democrats.

For example in FL, which already has 3 million absentee requests Republicans actually are ahead by a few points.

Republicans tend to be ahead by alot in Florida absentees, which doesn't seem to be the case this time around.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Brittain33 on October 13, 2016, 01:52:46 PM
The absence of a functioning campaign to drive absentee voting would mean that a good chunk of that 50% drop-off simply transitions to in-person voting, rather than dropping out of the election.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 13, 2016, 02:16:52 PM
Even if Dems do a little better now with these few requested ballots, Trump could absolutely crush Hillary among election day voters ...

you are absolutely right but "a little better" seems to understate it.

Why ? There isn't even a coherent trend right now that favours the Democrats.

For example in FL, which already has 3 million absentee requests Republicans actually are ahead by a few points.

Iowa and Ohio are the only states where the early trend doesn't look good. Democrats registration is outpacing Republicans' in most swing states.

Absentee heavily skews older people. In 2008, FL Republicans had the advantage 51-32% in absentee requests (and Obama still won FL by almost 3%). It's too early to tell but to say Democrats don't have a favorable trend right now is being far too pessimistic.



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on October 13, 2016, 02:23:07 PM
Robby Mook conf call today:

Shane Goldmacher ‏@ShaneGoldmacher  14m14 minutes ago
Mook says Clinton campaign set to break “vote by mail records in Florida”

Shane Goldmacher ‏@ShaneGoldmacher  12m12 minutes ago
Mook says Hispanic ballot requests in NC are up 33% compared to 2012. White requests are down.

Shane Goldmacher ‏@ShaneGoldmacher  9m9 minutes ago
In conference call, Robby Mook says total vote in 2016 will break records. Relevant amid talk of dispiriting campaign driving down turnout.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BL53931 on October 13, 2016, 03:10:43 PM
We deposited our ballots today with our county election commission. Earliest we've ever voted. Three votes (Myself, wife and adult son) for the straight Democratic ticket.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Maxwell on October 13, 2016, 03:23:02 PM
yeah... there's not a chance this is a low turnout election.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 13, 2016, 05:39:10 PM
For example in FL, which already has 3 million absentee requests Republicans actually are ahead by a few points.


as far as i know republicans are down hard from 2012 in FL und NC and dems are again increasing their numbers in registration spikes in the final week.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 13, 2016, 05:40:01 PM
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article108036537.html

North Carolina
- white votes down more than 1/3
- black votes down a bit

Ohio
- bigger declines in requests in the heavily Democratic counties of Cuyahoga and Franklin as posted earlier
- the share of Ohio ballot requests by white voters was up, to 91 percent from 89 percent. The black share declined from 9 percent to 7 percent.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 13, 2016, 06:55:49 PM
Florida VBM:

Ballots Requested + Votes

GOP: 1,091,602 + 83,646 = 1,175,248 (41.0%)
DEM: 1,039,497 + 77,817 = 1,117,314 (39.0%)
IND: 473,708 + 29,378 = 503,086 (17.6%)
Others: 64,440 + 6,016 = 70,456 (2.4%)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 13, 2016, 06:59:23 PM
yeah... there's not a chance this is a low turnout election.

Yup, I've thought this for a long time.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 14, 2016, 08:35:12 AM
They'll probably update it one more time today but in Florida VBM, Democrats have cut the total ballots requested disadvantage to 48,000 (42,000 fewer ballots requested and 6,000 fewer ballots cast)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 14, 2016, 08:44:29 AM
They'll probably update it one more time today but in Florida VBM, Democrats have cut the total ballots requested disadvantage to 48,000 (42,000 fewer ballots requested and 6,000 fewer ballots cast)

When is the deadline for this?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 14, 2016, 09:31:17 AM
http://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2016/10/fla-early-ballots-and-voter-registration-numbers-show-democrats-surging-in-fla-106392

Among voted absentee ballots

GOP ahead by 1.9% now in Florida. It was a 3.9% advantage at the same point in 2012. And they had a 3% advantage on Thursday, so they're dropping fast.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 14, 2016, 09:36:17 AM
  Total number of ballots cast in all reporting jurisdictions:  900,994 or 1.9% of 2012 advance voting.

Florida is at 310,760 or 6.5% of 2012 advance voting.

http://www.electproject.org/early_2016


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: RJEvans on October 14, 2016, 09:37:45 AM
Ultimately, IA and OH won't matter so long as Clinton wins NC and FL.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 14, 2016, 02:25:12 PM
https://twitter.com/PoliticsReid/status/787008832912392192
http://www.vpap.org/visualizations/early-voting

Early voting up 22% in Virginia from 2012 levels.

Northern Virginia (59%)
Southwest Virginia (26%)
Valley of Virginia (14%)
Capital Region (7%)
Southside Virginia (6%)
Northern Neck / Middle Peninsula (5%)
Piedmont (5%)
Hampton Roads (-14%)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 14, 2016, 02:38:44 PM
https://twitter.com/PoliticsReid/status/787008832912392192
http://www.vpap.org/visualizations/early-voting

Early voting up 22% in Virginia from 2012 levels.

Northern Virginia (59%)
Southwest Virginia (26%)
Valley of Virginia (14%)
Capital Region (7%)
Southside Virginia (6%)
Northern Neck / Middle Peninsula (5%)
Piedmont (5%)
Hampton Roads (-14%)

Safe Clinton


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 14, 2016, 05:14:32 PM
1.5 million new registered Texas voters since 2012, a staggering increase. 777K since March, mostly in Democratic areas and places with large Latino populations.

Remember Univision said they were going to register 3 million more Latino voters. I wonder if they did crazy behind the scenes work in TX


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 14, 2016, 05:20:01 PM
To compare, there was little net change in voter registration numbers from 2008 to 2012 in TX


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 14, 2016, 05:24:47 PM
1.5 million new registered Texas voters since 2012, a staggering increase. 777K since March, mostly in Democratic areas and places with large Latino populations.

Remember Univision said they were going to register 3 million more Latino voters. I wonder if they did crazy behind the scenes work in TX

Wow, this might corroborate only a 4% lead for Trump.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Interlocutor is just not there yet on October 14, 2016, 05:25:26 PM
1.5 million new registered Texas voters since 2012, a staggering increase. 777K since March, mostly in Democratic areas and places with large Latino populations.

Remember Univision said they were going to register 3 million more Latino voters. I wonder if they did crazy behind the scenes work in TX

Yeah, no way Trump is winning Texas by double-digits


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 14, 2016, 05:32:03 PM
1.5 million new registered Texas voters since 2012, a staggering increase. 777K since March, mostly in Democratic areas and places with large Latino populations.

Remember Univision said they were going to register 3 million more Latino voters. I wonder if they did crazy behind the scenes work in TX

Yeah, no way Trump is winning Texas by double-digits

I would like to see whether someone could pull up Arizona voter registration numbers from 2008 to 2012 to now to see if there is a similar spike


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Maxwell on October 14, 2016, 05:35:35 PM
this will do significant damage to Trump's popular vote margin.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on October 14, 2016, 07:40:36 PM
1.5 million new registered Texas voters since 2012, a staggering increase. 777K since March, mostly in Democratic areas and places with large Latino populations.

Remember Univision said they were going to register 3 million more Latino voters. I wonder if they did crazy behind the scenes work in TX

Wow, this might corroborate only a 4% lead for Trump.

Still think it would take 2 or 3 consecutive Trumps for Texas to flip, but wow that is impressive.

I have said for a long time that Texas will be close this election, and that Trump has been causing not only a collapse among Middle-Class Latinos in Texas that typically only vote 56-44 Democrat, but additionally among Anglos in the suburbs of Houston, DFW, SA, and Austin, not to even mention evangelical Christian ladies....

If the Democratic Party had actually put resources into voter registration in Texas this year, there is a likely chance the state would be a tossup as opposed to a narrow Trump lead.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 14, 2016, 07:44:20 PM


Update:

 Total number of ballots cast in all reporting jurisdictions: 1,170,904
and 2.5% of 2012 total early vote!



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 14, 2016, 09:46:27 PM
"Late Night Numbers from Florida: Older Whites Dominating Early Vote-by-Mail, but Democrats Holding their Own"

https://electionsmith.wordpress.com/2016/10/14/late-night-numbers-from-florida-older-whites-dominating-early-vote-by-mail-but-democrats-holding-their-own/

"Of the roughly 206k voters 61 and over who have cast VBM thus far, 87% are white. What is surprising, however, is of these 179k older white voters who’ve cast VBM thus far,  less than half (47%) are Republicans."


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 15, 2016, 12:22:35 AM
Update:

Total number of ballots cast in all reporting jurisdictions: 1,170,904 and 2.5% of 2012 total early vote!

But that is still less than 1% of the expected total vote (120-140 million).

The early vote analysis won't get meaningful until about 1 week before the election ...


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 15, 2016, 08:11:40 AM
Florida VBM numbers + votes. This could get updated again today but I'll post what the site has. The number of votes cast increases as the number of ballots requested decreases (when ballots are turned in).

Ballots requested:

GOP: 1,016,177
DEM: 979,787
IND: 458,744
Other: 60,466

Votes:

GOP: 173,451
DEM: 166,667
IND: 61,955
Other: 11,632

Democrats have cut the Republican advantage in total VBM ballots (requests + votes) to 43K out of over 2.9 million. Combined, these are the numbers:

GOP: 1,189,628 (40.6%)
DEM: 1,146,454 (39.1%)
IND: 520,699 (17.8%)
Other: 72,078 (2.5%)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 15, 2016, 08:16:35 AM
While 2.9 million requests and votes seem to be a lot, it's still only just 1/3rd of the expected vote of 9 million in FL.

Not telling us a lot yet ... even if let's say Democrats are leading by 2 among requested ballots or Republicans, we still don't know how the Independents are voting.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 15, 2016, 08:17:53 AM
Iowa's early vote is going much better for the Republicans. They have cut the Democratic edge in ballot requests to 28K

DEM: 150,450
GOP: 122,583
IND: 69,737
Other: 864

Democrats have turned their ballots in at a higher rate. These numbers ARE combined within the total ballot requests, IIRC.

DEM: 78,271
GOP: 43,165
IND: 27,680
Other: 353


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 15, 2016, 08:20:33 AM
While 2.9 million requests and votes seem to be a lot, it's still only just 1/3rd of the expected vote of 9 million in FL.

Not telling us a lot yet ... even if let's say Democrats are leading by 2 among requested ballots or Republicans, we still don't know how the Independents are voting.

The GOP won the VBM balloting by 4% in 2012. Right now, they are only 1.5% ahead and that lead is narrowing. What remains to be seen is whether Democrats who normally vote early in person or on Election Day are deciding to VBM or whether Democrats have increased their share of the electorate by getting new registrants to vote early. I suspect it is the latter


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 15, 2016, 09:08:37 AM
Iowa's early vote is going much better for the Republicans. They have cut the Democratic edge in ballot requests to 28K

DEM: 150,450
GOP: 122,583
IND: 69,737
Other: 864

Democrats have turned their ballots in at a higher rate. These numbers ARE combined within the total ballot requests, IIRC.

DEM: 78,271
GOP: 43,165
IND: 27,680
Other: 353

If there is any state in which early indicator is very telling, it's Iowa. Democrats do most of the work through ballot requests and if they can't get an edge here, they'll likely lose here.

RCP average of +3.7 may be very accurate.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Brittain33 on October 15, 2016, 09:21:08 AM
If there is any state in which early indicator is very telling, it's Iowa. Democrats do most of the work through ballot requests and if they can't get an edge here, they'll likely lose here.

RCP average of +3.7 may be very accurate.

True. With Branstad, Grassley, and Ernst lining up the R machine solidly behind Trump, this is one state where we'll see what 2016 might have looked like if the R candidate had an actual get-out-the-vote effort of his own.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 15, 2016, 09:29:32 AM
If there is any state in which early indicator is very telling, it's Iowa. Democrats do most of the work through ballot requests and if they can't get an edge here, they'll likely lose here.

RCP average of +3.7 may be very accurate.

True. With Branstad, Grassley, and Ernst lining up the R machine solidly behind Trump, this is one state where we'll see what 2016 might have looked like if the R candidate had an actual get-out-the-vote effort of his own.

I don't know how much endorsements boost the margins. But it could partially explain why Ohio seems to give a better chance for Hillary than Iowa, with Kasich's refusal to endorse Trump.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: voter1993 on October 15, 2016, 04:03:43 PM
Any new updates on nc?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 15, 2016, 04:06:21 PM

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 15, 2016, 04:23:03 PM
Florida absentee status in 2016 to a comparable point in time in 2012

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Maxwell on October 15, 2016, 04:24:42 PM
but but but turnouts going to be low because all of my facebook friends keep yammering about how bad both candidates are!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 15, 2016, 04:27:31 PM

In person voting starts Thursday.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 15, 2016, 04:27:43 PM
https://twitter.com/PoliticsReid/status/787008832912392192
http://www.vpap.org/visualizations/early-voting

Early voting up 22% in Virginia from 2012 levels.

Northern Virginia (59%)
Southwest Virginia (26%)
Valley of Virginia (14%)
Capital Region (7%)
Southside Virginia (6%)
Northern Neck / Middle Peninsula (5%)
Piedmont (5%)
Hampton Roads (-14%)

To follow up with an update,

http://www.vpap.org/visualizations/early-voting

Northern Virginia 55.60%
Southwest Virginia 22.96%
Capital Region 14.94%
Northern Neck / Middle Peninsula 12.84%
Southside Virginia 9.69%
Valley of Virginia 4.60%
Piedmont -0.23%
Hampton Roads -8.17%
 
2012
60,612
 
2016
74,461
 
Change
22.85%


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 15, 2016, 04:33:59 PM
Maricopa County (AZ) voter registration statistics

January 2013

GOP: 707,205
DEM: 532,399
IND: 638,229

March 2016

GOP: 708,941
DEM: 532,946
IND: 733,577
LIB: 17,400
Green: 2,109

October 8, 2016 (most recent information)

GOP: 755,808
DEM: 601,248
IND: 737,983
LIB: 19,514
Green: 3,353

Democratic registration has increased by 69K in Maricopa since March while Republican registration has increased 47K and Independent registration has increased 4K. This is an improvement for the Democrats but unlikely to structurally change the electorate. Sixty percent of the Arizona vote in 2012 came from Maricopa County. The Republican advantage in Maricopa in March 2016 was roughly equivalent to what it was at the end of the 2012 election cycle. There are 100K more voters with no party affiliation in Maricopa since 2012.

Pima County (AZ) voter registration statistics

January 2013

DEM: 187,577
GOP: 154,996
IND: 151,470

March 2016

DEM: 179,043
GOP: 148,215
IND: 159,929

October 8, 2016

DEM: 203,767
GOP: 161,871
IND: 165,519

Democratic and Republican voter rolls declined in Pima from the last election cycle to March 2016. However, Democrats have increased their share of the electorate by 16K from 2012 while Republicans have improved by 7K and independents have improved by 14K.

Overall, in the two largest Arizona counties, Dems have added 86K voters since 2012 while Republicans have added 54K and independents have added 114K. This represents a narrowing of the Republican structural advantage in the state. However, the Republicans still have a major edge, unless the independents largely vote Democratic. Mitt Romney won Arizona by 208K in 2012, and the Democrats have improved their standing a little bit, but more work will be required to turn Arizona into a perennial swing state


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: swf541 on October 15, 2016, 04:46:15 PM
Great post, but dont a lot of dem leaning Hispanics register as Independent and not Dem?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 15, 2016, 04:47:07 PM
Great post, but dont a lot of dem leaning Hispanics register as Independent and not Dem?

A lot of tea partiers do as well. NOVA Green (if he's around) probably knows about this more than I do


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: swf541 on October 15, 2016, 04:48:01 PM
Great post, but dont a lot of dem leaning Hispanics register as Independent and not Dem?

A lot of tea partiers do as well. NOVA Green (if he's around) probably knows about this more than I do

Interesting, thanks.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on October 15, 2016, 06:20:43 PM
I just mailed my absentee ballot this morning :)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 16, 2016, 08:58:31 AM
Steve Schale, Obama's 2008 Florida campaign manager and 2012 senior adviser, on the Florida VBM results so far:

https://twitter.com/steveschale/status/787404801365737477

"Looking at these VBM returns, there is definitely an enthusiasm problem in Florida...but it's not with Democrats"



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 16, 2016, 09:07:49 AM
I just mailed my absentee ballot this morning :)

Congrats and thanks :)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 16, 2016, 09:36:20 AM
I just mailed my absentee ballot this morning :)

I will request mine too soon and mail it back in late November.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 16, 2016, 09:49:27 AM
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Note: Nevada early voting begins on 10/22/16. I am pretty sure what they mean by "early voting" is early votes + absentee ballots. So in Nevada's case, the Republicans' lead may be because early voting hasn't started yet.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 16, 2016, 10:20:15 AM
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I am pretty sure what they mean by "early voting" is early votes + absentee ballots.

Yep, and Georgia will quickly swing to the Democrats starting Monday with in person early voting.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/data-points/over-500-000-votes-have-already-been-cast-2016-presidential-n665196

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Compared to 10/11, Democrats losing small ground in Iowa, North Carolina. They are gaining small ground in Michigan, and gaining fast in Florida.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: voter1993 on October 16, 2016, 06:09:48 PM
Iowa and Ohio looking good for Trump... north carolina & florida still republican advantage but not by much. Anyone see any surprises in the data so far that may play well for Trump?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 16, 2016, 06:14:36 PM
Iowa and Ohio looking good for Trump... north carolina & florida still republican advantage but not by much. Anyone see any surprises in the data so far that may play well for Trump?

Hopefully none.

However, IA is still looking better for Trump, albeit by a much smaller margin than earlier and OH is still too early to tell, we'll see how it sits this time next week.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on October 16, 2016, 06:34:00 PM
Great post, but dont a lot of dem leaning Hispanics register as Independent and not Dem?

A lot of tea partiers do as well. NOVA Green (if he's around) probably knows about this more than I do

Although I am flattered to be name-checked, I don't consider myself to be an expert in either Tea Party voter registration habits, let alone Latino Millennials.

However, I will say that Latino Millennials, like many other Millennials typically tend to not register for either party ticket, although obviously there are many large states, including Texas where voters do not register by political party.

Still, there are multiple stories from many states regarding Latino Millennials and their lack of enthusiasm in the current Presidential Election, despite a strong dislike for Trump as the Republican nominee, including many voters that do not identify with either major Party.

http://keranews.org/post/latino-millennials-looking-have-say-years-presidential-election

http://www.demos.org/blog/10/13/16/ideolog%C3%ADa-latino-millennials-challenge-political-parties

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-column/2016/09/16/latino-millennials-play-key-role-election-researcher-says

http://www.kgun9.com/news/local-news/latinos-and-millennials-targeted-to-register-to-vote

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2016/10/11/democrats-maintain-edge-as-party-more-concerned-for-latinos-but-views-similar-to-2012/

Most of y'all don't likely have the patience and stamina to look through even a handful of articles that I posted, but:

la realidad es que la gran mayoría de los latinos del Milenio no se ve una diferencia importante entre los dos partidos políticos cuando se trata de dividir a las familias separadas a ambos lados de la frontera.

As I posted almost a year ago, Obama is still perceived as the "Deporter in Chief, that has dramatically expanded deportations for mothers and fathers of Millennials, simply for charges such as possession of small amounts of marijuana or first time DUI offenses, that for the vast majority of Anglos in Texas would warrant simply a few days in jail.

Under the aggressive policies of the Obama justice department that considers individuals that are married to American nationals, children born in America attending public schools, that haven't been back in their home country for 15 years to be "Criminal Aliens" and "Felons" that has separated and divided families, mainly because the US Government and politicians have refused to address this issue since Reagan back in the Mid- '80s.

We add to that, the fact that Clinton has done little since the primaries to actually speak to the broader interests and concerns of young Americans, unlike Bernie Sanders, when it comes to items such as a living wage, free community college tuition, and additionally Latinos have been disproportionately impacted by the elective war overseas in Iraq and military service enlistment in general, and it is no wonder that Latino Millennials are extremely skeptical of her candidacy, regardless of how much they despise Trump.

There is now a major body of polling from multiple states that appears to clearly indicate that Clinton's weakness among Millennials is especially significant when it comes to Latino Millennials.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 16, 2016, 06:42:59 PM
I don't understand, Dems 57-32 seems like a big advantage (according to NBC/TargetSmart). How big an advantage do they need in Ohio?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 16, 2016, 07:16:39 PM
I don't understand, Dems 57-32 seems like a big advantage (according to NBC/TargetSmart). How big an advantage do they need in Ohio?

The issue is where the vote is in OH. If it's mostly Cuyahoga, then that's not great. But if it's places like Hamilton and Montgomery, where Obama won off the back of the early vote, then that's great. But again, it's still too early to determine what the OH numbers are saying.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 16, 2016, 07:29:08 PM
Early vote numbers are not terribly significant until about a week or two before election day.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 16, 2016, 07:37:07 PM
I don't know the accuracy of this blog so take it with a grain of salt. It appears to be from a conservative blogger in 2012.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HfIOpQQkNXuoBe1eW0fwt4NxMvH523jkW85npX02zHA/edit#gid=0

http://thirdbasepolitics.blogspot.com/2012/09/absentee-ballot-data-not-looking-good.html

County     Total AB Requests     D           R              D            R         Difference
Total     2008   1,386,683    477,388  260,416    34.43%  18.78%     15.65%
            2012   1,372,336    390,691  298,403    28.47%  21.74%      6.72%

It appears to me that the trend is that Democrats are requesting fewer and fewer AB requests every year. So it would make sense to me that with Ohio being a nail-biter right now, AB requests are down compared to 2012. (Obama won OH by 3% in 2012)

So to make up for their AB requests decline, they have to substantially outperform Republicans on early voting in order to hold them off from Republicans' election day comeback.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: voter1993 on October 16, 2016, 07:37:18 PM
Iowa and Ohio looking good for Trump... north carolina & florida still republican advantage but not by much. Anyone see any surprises in the data so far that may play well for Trump?

Hopefully none.

However, IA is still looking better for Trump, albeit by a much smaller margin than earlier and OH is still too early to tell, we'll see how it sits this time next week.

Thank you! Also, do more republicans vote on election day than democrats correct that is why democrats try and get the early vote out?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 16, 2016, 07:38:54 PM
Early vote numbers are not terribly significant until about a week or two before election day.

Of course, but since it began, it's worth observing some trends :)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 16, 2016, 09:21:40 PM
Clark County, NV Voter Registration Update (Deadline is on Tuesday in Nevada):

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- County goes over 1 million registered voters
- Republicans are below 30%
- Democrats have a 139,760 lead


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 16, 2016, 09:27:12 PM
Clark County, NV Voter Registration Update (Deadline is on Tuesday in Nevada):

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- County goes over 1 million registered voters
- Republicans are below 30%
- Democrats have a 139,760 lead

Nevada is structurally a Democratic state


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Holmes on October 16, 2016, 10:38:32 PM
Clark County, NV Voter Registration Update (Deadline is on Tuesday in Nevada):

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- County goes over 1 million registered voters
- Republicans are below 30%
- Democrats have a 139,760 lead

Nevada is structurally a Democratic state

Yes but muh Washoe will hand it to Trump.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 17, 2016, 12:21:23 AM
CO will start mailing ballots to all 3 Mio. RV today.

New voters will have the possibility of same-day registration on Nov. 8

This should give us a good look at turnout even before election day ...


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: chrisras on October 17, 2016, 01:46:12 AM
Do there numbers include Dead People??



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 17, 2016, 01:48:49 AM
Do there numbers include Dead People??



There is never any dead people within the numbers. That is just a dumb republican meme.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: chrisras on October 17, 2016, 01:57:58 AM
Do there numbers include Dead People??



There is never any dead people within the numbers. That is just a dumb republican meme.

You do realize Democrats have been busted for doing this right?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on October 17, 2016, 02:24:06 AM
Do there numbers include Dead People??



There is never any dead people within the numbers. That is just a dumb republican meme.

You do realize Democrats have been busted for doing this right?

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 17, 2016, 07:37:55 AM
Looks like Democrats are getting more new or infrequent voters to the polls (though the margin is not significant).

https://twitter.com/tbonier/status/787994523771215872
Ohio: 85% of likely D EVs voted in '12, as compared to 86.6% of likely R early voters.

https://twitter.com/tbonier/status/787847461142495232
Florida: 81.8% Ds voted in '12 vs 83.2% R's.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Brittain33 on October 17, 2016, 07:58:03 AM
Looks like Democrats are getting more new or infrequent voters to the polls (though the margin is not significant).

https://twitter.com/tbonier/status/787994523771215872
Ohio: 85% of likely D EVs voted in '12, as compared to 86.6% of likely R early voters.

https://twitter.com/tbonier/status/787847461142495232
Florida: 81.8% Ds voted in '12 vs 83.2% R's.

Could this just reflect that Democrats have had an edge in registering over the last four years, in particular with people passing age 18?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 17, 2016, 09:07:12 AM
Yes, but there has been lots of waves about Trump bringing in missing or inactive white voters, so, at least this data shows he isn't doing that.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 17, 2016, 10:11:33 AM
Early/Absentee Vote up 55% in Marion County (Indianapolis), Indiana (https://www.wthr.com/article/early-and-absentee-voting-up-significantly-in-indiana)

Huge news for Byah and Gregg!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 17, 2016, 02:43:03 PM
Democrats took the lead in Florida with returned ballots!

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Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  10m
10 minutes ago
 
In a FL afternoon update, reg Dems took a returned ballot lead over Reps of 27 ballots - out of 513,089 returned ballots


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 17, 2016, 02:44:39 PM
woah

surprising.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 17, 2016, 02:46:08 PM
Democrats took the lead in Florida with returned ballots!

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Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  10m
10 minutes ago
 
In a FL afternoon update, reg Dems took a returned ballot lead over Reps of 27 ballots - out of 513,089 returned ballots

!!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 17, 2016, 02:55:02 PM
Unprecedented.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on October 17, 2016, 03:21:30 PM
anecdotal, but....drip drip drip

Kim TC ‏@kimtcga  1h1 hour ago
@DemFromCT @MSNBC polling place here in GA has been slammed all day, on 1st day of early voting. Almost all HRC voters that I can tell.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 17, 2016, 03:23:54 PM
Hmm, we can wait a few days for real #s instead of anecdotes ;)

http://www.ajc.com/news/local/000-cobb-ballots-cast-first-hours-presidential-early-voting/ppNp0sr84alasNjT3F0FuL/

Huge turnout in Cobb, which is probably lean Trump, but who knows this year.

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 17, 2016, 03:25:09 PM
The entire East Coast is going to send a strong rebuke to Trump this cycle. I can feel it coming.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 17, 2016, 03:38:06 PM
http://www.ajc.com/news/local/early-voting-off-roaring-start-gwinnett/hIFM4Dl9D7dsHWyMmdVk1I/
https://twitter.com/RandyTravisFox5/status/788018586187100160

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Gwinnett County Georgia: By the afternoon, waits were approaching four hours. Bottled water was being passed out to those in line.

LOL!!! I hope it isn't like this on Saturday when I go to vote.
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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ronnie on October 17, 2016, 03:44:46 PM
The entire East Coast country is going to send a strong rebuke to Trump this cycle. I can feel it coming.

Ftfy

As I've said, Trump is a one-man turnout machine for the Democratic base.  I can't wait until I vote against him.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Flake on October 17, 2016, 03:58:28 PM
Beautiful!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: izixs on October 17, 2016, 04:30:23 PM
Just got back from early voting. Was busier than usual, but not as crazy as some pics I've seen. Demographics resembled the county (mostly white, a bit older leaning). No obvious gender imbalance.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Maxwell on October 17, 2016, 04:50:23 PM
but but but my facebook friends think both candidates are equally bad, thus it's going to be a low turnout election!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 17, 2016, 04:55:43 PM
https://www.gwinnettcounty.com/portal/gwinnett/Departments/Elections/AbsenteeVoting-Civilians/AdvanceVoting

Gwinnett, the second largest county in Georgia (population 840k), has only one early voting location open this week. Fulton, the largest, has dozens open. It's a complete disgrace what they're doing in Gwinnett.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: JerryArkansas on October 17, 2016, 05:18:35 PM
https://www.gwinnettcounty.com/portal/gwinnett/Departments/Elections/AbsenteeVoting-Civilians/AdvanceVoting

Gwinnett, the second largest county in Georgia (population 840k), has only one early voting location open this week. Fulton, the largest, has dozens open. It's a complete disgrace what they're doing in Gwinnett.
Thats what happens when your county is run by republican election officials.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Crumpets on October 17, 2016, 05:27:01 PM
This is a map of early ballot requests by county in Florida according to MyFlorida.com (https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats) Some really interesting things to see, but I'm not sure what exactly is expected about this and unexpected. Might the strong Democratic showing in the North be enough to save Gwen Graham?

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 17, 2016, 06:03:45 PM
Democrats took the lead in Florida with returned ballots!

Quote
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  10m
10 minutes ago
 
In a FL afternoon update, reg Dems took a returned ballot lead over Reps of 27 ballots - out of 513,089 returned ballots

!!

It happened! :D


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Hydera on October 17, 2016, 06:22:09 PM
This is a map of early ballot requests by county in Florida according to MyFlorida.com (https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats) Some really interesting things to see, but I'm not sure what exactly is expected about this and unexpected. Might the strong Democratic showing in the North be enough to save Gwen Graham?

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Wouldn't want to be a party crasher but


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According to MCI maps a large amount of white voters in the Panhandle are registered dems but have been voting strongly Republican since the 1980s(although 1996 was a exception).  

Still given that democratic ballots is tied with the republican early advantage in 2012. Its still a gain for dems.


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Also NPA voters in Panhandle the extremly near empty rural counties in South Florida splits for GOP and NPA voters in coastal suburbs/cities lean Democratic.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 17, 2016, 06:29:13 PM
Looks like African-American voter turnout on the first day of Georgia in-person early voting is through the roof, if anecdotal evidence is to be believed. 3-5 hour lines in Metro Atlanta, largely African-American voters

The reason: Dems finally believe they can win the state because Clinton has led in a few GA polls. I think Mook and company will wait a few days to see the early GA vote returns, crunch the numbers, and mull an Atlanta stop for Hillary, FLOTUS and company


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 17, 2016, 07:03:31 PM
Iowa early vote stats

Ballots requested

DEM: 158,938
GOP: 132,042
IND: 75,309
Other: 943

Ballots returned

DEM: 89,872
GOP: 53,257
IND: 32,447
Other: 420

An interesting dichotomy. Republicans are doing much better with ballot requests but Dems have returned more ballots so far. Perhaps indecision among some Iowa Repubs for Trump?

https://sos.iowa.gov/elections/pdf/2016/general/AbsenteeCongressional2016.pdf


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: voter1993 on October 17, 2016, 08:52:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yelQ8OXIrzc



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: KingSweden on October 17, 2016, 08:53:02 PM
This is a map of early ballot requests by county in Florida according to MyFlorida.com (https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats) Some really interesting things to see, but I'm not sure what exactly is expected about this and unexpected. Might the strong Democratic showing in the North be enough to save Gwen Graham?

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Gwen Graham isn't running, I don't think


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 17, 2016, 09:35:47 PM
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  53s54 seconds ago
In Georgia today 91,951 people voted. 31% were African-American, pushing the overall African-American early vote percentage from 19% to 27%


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 17, 2016, 09:36:09 PM
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  53s54 seconds ago
In Georgia today 91,951 people voted. 31% were African-American, pushing the overall African-American early vote percentage from 19% to 27%

Whoa. It's happening!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 17, 2016, 09:39:23 PM
Wow! And it's not even the weekend yet!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 17, 2016, 09:40:48 PM
don't want to extrapolate such a small sample but ...the black marge in 08/12 was always seen like an outlier afaik and afro-americans "usually" have voted at lower numbers than non-hispanic whites......

i know that a whole lot of black americans live in georgia but...generally speaking....would be unrealistic if afro-americans are less motivated than non-hispanic white americans this time and still dominate early voting..wouldn't it?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 17, 2016, 09:44:02 PM
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  53s54 seconds ago
In Georgia today 91,951 people voted. 31% were African-American, pushing the overall African-American early vote percentage from 19% to 27%

I think it's good. Not blowout numbers, but a very good start and could cause Clinton to make a full-court press at Georgia if these results continue


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 17, 2016, 09:53:47 PM
http://www.politico.com/blogs/charlie-mahtesian/2012/10/georgia-black-turnout-on-record-pace-147409

In 2012, the early vote was 33% black, and I think due to low election day turnout, was around 30% overall. Wouldn't be surprised to see black turnout down eventually (diehards out today).

But if we still see 30%+ 2 weeks from now, #BattlegroundGeorgia.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 18, 2016, 04:25:13 AM
ME-2 is looking pretty good again:

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 18, 2016, 05:20:14 AM
Florida VBM numbers

Ballot requests not turned in:

GOP: 968,714
DEM: 936,567
IND: 446,354
Other: 57,713

Ballots cast:

DEM: 228,975
GOP: 228,625
IND: 84,625
Other: 15,171

We're seeing a pattern in the VBM numbers in several states where Democrats are returning their ballots at faster rates than Republicans. Perhaps some Republican voters are hesitant to vote for their candidate...


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: MasterJedi on October 18, 2016, 10:51:43 AM
Florida VBM numbers

Ballot requests not turned in:

GOP: 968,714
DEM: 936,567
IND: 446,354
Other: 57,713

Ballots cast:

DEM: 228,975
GOP: 228,625
IND: 84,625
Other: 15,171

We're seeing a pattern in the VBM numbers in several states where Democrats are returning their ballots at faster rates than Republicans. Perhaps some Republican voters are hesitant to vote for their candidate...

Like my parents, have had their ballot sitting there for a week. They say they hate Trump but talk him up all the time and how everything against him is lies. Hoping they just take too damn long and don't get them in in time, though that would hurt Rubio.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Classic Conservative on October 18, 2016, 11:04:12 AM
Updated Florida Numbers: Republicans Regain a Lead in Returned Ballots

Requested:

GOP: 940,566
Democrats: 919,720
Independent: 442,736
Other: 56,494

Returned:
GOP: 265,683
Democrats: 259,883
Independents: 96,880
Other: 17,457


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 18, 2016, 02:23:11 PM
Interesting:

CO has 3.2 million active registered voters (all of which will be mailed a ballot in the next days).

But there are also 0.7 million inactive registered voters (and they won't be mailed a ballot).

An inactive registered voter is someone who got sent a letter by the state to send it back for confirmation that the address is still occupied, but who failed to return that letter. Most are probably students or people who moved away ...

Anyway, I guess the first ballots are returned by Thursday and we should get some updates on returned ballots by the weekend.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 18, 2016, 03:45:52 PM
http://www.insight-us.org/blog/ncs-2016-early-voting-turnout-through-17-october/#more-426
I found a new site and I'll follow @InsightUSOrg on twitter. They've been presenting the NC data in interesting ways. Here is returns by party/age.


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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Hydera on October 18, 2016, 04:15:07 PM
http://www.insight-us.org/blog/ncs-2016-early-voting-turnout-through-17-october/#more-426
I found a new site and I'll follow @InsightUSOrg on twitter. They've been presenting the NC data in interesting ways. Here is returns by party/age.


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Wow a lot of Republicans who voted early in 2012 couldn't bring themselves to vote for Trump this time.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Adam Griffin on October 18, 2016, 04:36:09 PM
http://www.politico.com/blogs/charlie-mahtesian/2012/10/georgia-black-turnout-on-record-pace-147409

In 2012, the early vote was 33% black, and I think due to low election day turnout, was around 30% overall. Wouldn't be surprised to see black turnout down eventually (diehards out today).

But if we still see 30%+ 2 weeks from now, #BattlegroundGeorgia.

The black share of the early vote in Georgia will continue to climb over the next 3 weeks, likely to the point that it will fool those who don't know the state into thinking there's going to be a huge black turnout. In 2014, for instance, the black share of the early vote crept up from the high-20s gradually through early voting and ultimately ended up around 35%. Unfortunately, that was due mainly to cannibalization of Election Day vote, as the final black share of the electorate was 29% in 2014.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 18, 2016, 04:44:46 PM
Total number of ballots cast in all reporting jurisdictions: 1,950,090 votes or 4.2% of the 2012 early vote.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 18, 2016, 04:52:57 PM
Total number of ballots cast in all reporting jurisdictions: 1,950,090 votes or 4.2% of the 2012 early vote.

Big spike from a couple of days ago.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 18, 2016, 05:35:01 PM
Total number of ballots cast in all reporting jurisdictions: 1,950,090 votes or 4.2% of the 2012 early vote.

Big spike from a couple of days ago.

A lot more states have started voting. All so very exciting!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: voter1993 on October 18, 2016, 05:47:48 PM
Are republicans still ahead in florida and nc?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 18, 2016, 06:00:33 PM
Are republicans still ahead in florida and nc?

Technically but they're far behind where they need to be to win those states. Trump is lagging Romney by about 3% in FL and much more than that in NC


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: voter1993 on October 18, 2016, 06:11:16 PM
Can this take in account less democrats early voting then sending in mail in ballots instead? I guess we will find out when early voting begins


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 18, 2016, 06:19:34 PM
Iowa early vote stats:

Ballots requested

DEM: 165,946
GOP: 137,002
IND: 79,058
Other: 999

Ballots returned

DEM: 98,428
GOP: 60,359
IND: 36,420
Other: 477

Dems about 29K ahead in ballot requests and 38K in ballots returned. They need to be 50K ahead to win Iowa


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BundouYMB on October 18, 2016, 06:51:43 PM
Dems about 29K ahead in ballot requests and 38K in ballots returned. They need to be 50K ahead to win Iowa

Really? Because a). Obama won Iowa by 92K votes in 2012 and b). Democrats said they believe aggressive early vote efforts in 2014 (when early vote numbers looked amazing and Braley got thrashed) simply cannibalized their election day votes without actually adding to their overall vote totals.

Don't get me wrong, it's obviously better to have more votes banked but saying Democrats "need" to be 50K votes ahead to win doesn't add up and doesn't really make sense to me.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Virginiá on October 18, 2016, 07:48:41 PM
I don't understand - surely that huge absentee drop can't be entirely from a lack of organizing or anything, right? If it mostly just came from disillusioned Republicans, then that likely means that they will see a drop in in-person turnout as well.

If that were the case, isn't this very bad for NC Republicans? They could lose a lot if their turnout implodes while Democratic turnout edges up.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: voter1993 on October 18, 2016, 08:00:49 PM
Republicans are on par with Romney in Florida. Republicans up 2.2% in mailed in. Republicans had 3% lead correct?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 18, 2016, 08:06:45 PM
I don't understand - surely that huge absentee drop can't be entirely from a lack of organizing or anything, right? If it mostly just came from disillusioned Republicans, then that likely means that they will see a drop in in-person turnout as well.

If that were the case, isn't this very bad for NC Republicans? They could lose a lot if their turnout implodes while Democratic turnout edges up.

Yep, we will see how in person voting in NC looks starting Thursday. If the GOP does bad there over the next few weeks, reasonable to assume they'll do bad election day. It's not just Trump, but McCrory has tainted the GOP brand.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Lolasknives on October 19, 2016, 02:22:54 AM
NC will be a blue state before this is over. 2012 is the last time a white Rethug will ever tarnish it red.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 19, 2016, 10:40:34 AM
Early morning VBM update from Florida

Ballots requested and outstanding:

GOP: 900,138
DEM: 890,151
IND: 433,086
Other: 54,671

Ballots cast:

GOP: 316,400 (41.7%)
DEM: 305,626 (40.3%)
IND: 116,091 (15.3%)
Other: 20,303 (2.7%)

Combined:

GOP: 1,216,538 (40.1%)
DEM: 1,195,777 (39.4%)
IND: 549,177 (18.1%)
Other: 74,974 (2.5%)

Dems trail overall by 20,761 combined (ballot requests + votes)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 19, 2016, 11:04:25 AM
Dems about 29K ahead in ballot requests and 38K in ballots returned. They need to be 50K ahead to win Iowa

Really? Because a). Obama won Iowa by 92K votes in 2012 and b). Democrats said they believe aggressive early vote efforts in 2014 (when early vote numbers looked amazing and Braley got thrashed) simply cannibalized their election day votes without actually adding to their overall vote totals.

Don't get me wrong, it's obviously better to have more votes banked but saying Democrats "need" to be 50K votes ahead to win doesn't add up and doesn't really make sense to me.

Early numbers were not amazing for Braley two years ago. They were actually much worse than Clinton's numbers now. From the IA Secretary of State...

Final absentee ballots received:

DEM: 191,036
GOP: 181,948
IND: 101,675

Braley/Dems led in ballots received by a little more than 9,000. Clinton/Dems leads in ballots received by 38K. In 2012, Obama/Dems turned in 68.4K more ballots than Romney.

Braley lost by 8.3%
Obama won by 5.8%

The current numbers indicate that Iowa is very close

https://sos.iowa.gov/elections/pdf/2014/general/absenteestats.pdf

https://sos.iowa.gov/elections/pdf/2012/general/archiveabsstats.pdf


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 19, 2016, 11:10:25 AM
As of October 1st, this is the partisan makeup of NH:

GOP: 32.2%
Dem: 29.5%
Und: 38.3%

GOP has 24,344 registration advantage.

On October 15th, 2012, the GOP advantage was 33,799.

http://sos.nh.gov/NamesHistory.aspx


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Classic Conservative on October 19, 2016, 11:13:32 AM
From what I've been seeing in pictures of TN. Early voting turnout seems through the roof.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 19, 2016, 11:55:34 AM
As of October 1st, this is the partisan makeup of NH:

GOP: 32.2%
Dem: 29.5%
Und: 38.3%

GOP has 24,344 registration advantage.

On October 15th, 2012, the GOP advantage was 33,799.

http://sos.nh.gov/NamesHistory.aspx

Is this good news for Climbin' Maggie?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: MasterJedi on October 19, 2016, 12:52:00 PM
Parents sadly turned in their Florida Trump ballots. Surprisingly voted for medical marijuana though.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: KingSweden on October 19, 2016, 01:20:29 PM
From what I've been seeing in pictures of TN. Early voting turnout seems through the roof.

Man, good news for Trump in that all-important swing state!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 19, 2016, 01:25:54 PM
Parents sadly turned in their Florida Trump ballots. Surprisingly voted for medical marijuana though.

:(


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 19, 2016, 02:06:19 PM
GA early vote demographics after two days (from electproject.com)

White: 150,075 (62.8%)
African-American: 67,595 (28.3%)
Hispanic: 2,258 (0.9%)
Other: 4,026 (1.7%)
Unknown: 15,168 (6.3%)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: TarHeelDem on October 19, 2016, 02:29:30 PM
NC will be a blue state before this is over. 2012 is the last time a white Rethug will ever tarnish it red.

While I think there's a small chance a Republican might win it again, I've been saying for years that NC would be Lean Dem sooner than people were expecting. Something like 2028 probably. I mean, think about it. Romney only won by a hair. Is Ted Cruz honestly going to be able to beat Clinton in 2020? I don't think so.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Brittain33 on October 19, 2016, 02:55:18 PM
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It's unclear how much of this is population growth. You have Trump-loving Sumter County (The Villages) and the Puerto Rican Diaspora in Osceola County with higher turnout, but they're both also growing quickly in population.

Also, you can see where Matthew hit.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on October 19, 2016, 03:35:36 PM
Parents sadly turned in their Florida Trump ballots. Surprisingly voted for medical marijuana though.

:(

:)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Classic Conservative on October 19, 2016, 03:37:36 PM
You're back!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 19, 2016, 03:41:11 PM

Ugh


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on October 19, 2016, 03:42:59 PM

It's unclear how much of this is population growth. You have Trump-loving Sumter County (The Villages) and the Puerto Rican Diaspora in Osceola County with higher turnout, but they're both also growing quickly in population.

Also, you can see where Matthew hit.
Some polls are showing Trump trailing Rubio by 10-12%. I don't know how it works in USA, but can someone cast "Republican ballot"  with Clinton+Rubio?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 19, 2016, 03:44:44 PM

It's unclear how much of this is population growth. You have Trump-loving Sumter County (The Villages) and the Puerto Rican Diaspora in Osceola County with higher turnout, but they're both also growing quickly in population.

Also, you can see where Matthew hit.
Some polls are showing Trump trailing Rubio by 10-12%. I don't know how it works in USA, but can someone cast "Republican ballot"  with Clinton+Rubio?

Of course


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 19, 2016, 03:45:00 PM

It's unclear how much of this is population growth. You have Trump-loving Sumter County (The Villages) and the Puerto Rican Diaspora in Osceola County with higher turnout, but they're both also growing quickly in population.

Also, you can see where Matthew hit.
Some polls are showing Trump trailing Rubio by 10-12%. I don't know how it works in USA, but can someone cast "Republican ballot"  with Clinton+Rubio?

Yes, splitting tickets is legal and used to be very common


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Brittain33 on October 19, 2016, 03:56:13 PM

It's unclear how much of this is population growth. You have Trump-loving Sumter County (The Villages) and the Puerto Rican Diaspora in Osceola County with higher turnout, but they're both also growing quickly in population.

Also, you can see where Matthew hit.
Some polls are showing Trump trailing Rubio by 10-12%. I don't know how it works in USA, but can someone cast "Republican ballot"  with Clinton+Rubio?

Yes, splitting tickets is legal and used to be very common

The ballot is defined by party registration. Some small number of those Democratic ballots are "Trump-Rubio" and I'm sure some of the Republican ballots from Miami-Dade are Clinton-Rubio!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 19, 2016, 03:58:09 PM
In general elections there are no "Democratic" or "Republican ballots. There are just election ballots. The only time you have a "Democratic" or "Republican" ballot is in a closed or semi-closed primary


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on October 19, 2016, 03:58:46 PM

It's unclear how much of this is population growth. You have Trump-loving Sumter County (The Villages) and the Puerto Rican Diaspora in Osceola County with higher turnout, but they're both also growing quickly in population.

Also, you can see where Matthew hit.
Some polls are showing Trump trailing Rubio by 10-12%. I don't know how it works in USA, but can someone cast "Republican ballot"  with Clinton+Rubio?

Yes, splitting tickets is legal and used to be very common
Then the image above is bad news for Trump. I think, it will be more latino (R) Clinton+Rubio votes this year than usually...


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 19, 2016, 04:14:38 PM
Iowa absentee ballot update (10/19)

Ballot requests:

DEM: 174,256
GOP: 144,495
IND: 84,118
Other: 1,078

Ballots cast:

DEM: 106,506
GOP: 68,228
IND: 40,619
Other: 538

Dems go up almost 1000 in ballot requests from yesterday and about 300 in votes cast. Modest improvement in votes cast, nice improvement in ballot requests, now close to 30K ahead. Still a lot of work to do to get to Obama's 2012 margin but getting close to it is doable.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 19, 2016, 04:27:36 PM
Total number of ballots cast in all reporting jurisdictions: 2,305,505 votes so far or 5.0% of the 2012 early vote.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 19, 2016, 07:25:40 PM

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In 4 days, Dems have moved to a tie in FL and narrowed the gap in GA a lot. Narrow movement in the other states.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 19, 2016, 07:44:15 PM
that early republican edge in PA is "normal" i guess?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 19, 2016, 07:47:52 PM
that early republican edge in PA is "normal" i guess?

I believe PA is excuse-required absentee ballots only so if I had to guess, it probably skews elderly.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Devout Centrist on October 19, 2016, 07:49:09 PM
I just voted via mail-in ballot.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 19, 2016, 08:00:55 PM
https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/788906863140016128?lang=en

"Continued weakness for OH Dem ballot requests as of 10/18
Cuyahoga -22.3% from 2012
Franklin - 12.7%
47 other counties +0.4%"

Bad news for Hillary in OH


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 19, 2016, 08:04:41 PM
https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/788906863140016128?lang=en

"Continued weakness for OH Dem ballot requests as of 10/18
Cuyahoga -22.3% from 2012
Franklin - 12.7%
47 other counties +0.4%"

Bad news for Hillary in OH

Franklin (Columbus) improving quite a bit but Cuyahoga (Cleveland) is underperforming a lot


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 19, 2016, 08:12:30 PM
https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/788906863140016128?lang=en

"Continued weakness for OH Dem ballot requests as of 10/18
Cuyahoga -22.3% from 2012
Franklin - 12.7%
47 other counties +0.4%"

Bad news for Hillary in OH

Franklin (Columbus) improving quite a bit but Cuyahoga (Cleveland) is underperforming a lot

Yea it's sad. I gave up on OH. :(


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 19, 2016, 08:16:30 PM
If Trump can't bring out the democratic base...Well, I don't know what would.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 19, 2016, 08:54:05 PM
https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/788906863140016128?lang=en

"Continued weakness for OH Dem ballot requests as of 10/18
Cuyahoga -22.3% from 2012
Franklin - 12.7%
47 other counties +0.4%"

Bad news for Hillary in OH

Franklin (Columbus) improving quite a bit but Cuyahoga (Cleveland) is underperforming a lot

Yea it's sad. I gave up on OH. :(

Too early to give up.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 20, 2016, 09:18:42 AM
In-person early vote starts today in North Carolina. Very interested to hear turnout reports!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 20, 2016, 09:19:47 AM
https://twitter.com/tbonier/status/789088055105884160


According to TargetSmart, Ohio was 57% Dem 30% GOP on 10/17, now 50% D 36% R :(


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 20, 2016, 09:27:43 AM
https://twitter.com/tbonier/status/789088055105884160


According to TargetSmart, Ohio was 57% Dem 30% GOP on 10/17, now 50% D 36% R :(

Do we know what TargetSmart's number was in Ohio in 2012?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 20, 2016, 09:54:04 AM
They said they will post 2012 comparisons but haven't yet. They are a Democratic firm. They provide good data, but it seems like they are selectively posting good news for Dems.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 20, 2016, 01:29:33 PM
Not going well for Trump in North Carolina:

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Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn  41m
41 minutes ago
Washington, DC
Trump has a 5 pt lead among voters who have returned NC absentee ballots, according to our estimates. Romney won the NC absentee vote by 33


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 20, 2016, 03:35:16 PM
Total number of ballots cast in all reporting jurisdictions: 3,285,741 votes or 7.1% of the 2012 early vote.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 20, 2016, 05:02:41 PM
Florida VBM data

Ballot requests outstanding

GOP: 857,310
DEM: 856,602
IND: 422,986
Other: 52,514

Ballots cast

GOP: 369,528 (41.7%)
DEM: 356,661 (40.2%)
IND: 136,863 (15.4%)
Other: 23,421 (2.6%)

The GOP is 12,867 ahead in ballots cast and 708 ballot requests ahead for an overall advantage of 13,575. The Republican VBM advantage continues to narrow


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 20, 2016, 05:09:39 PM
Iowa absentee ballot statistics for 10/20

Ballots requested:

DEM: 182,064
GOP: 150,169
IND: 88,673
Other: 1,142

Ballots cast:

DEM: 114,737
GOP: 75,782
IND: 44,732
Other: 598

The Democratic edge in ballot requests is 31,895. This is an improvement of about 2,100 over yesterday. The Democratic edge in ballots cast is 38,955. This is an improvement of about 700 over yesterday. Democrats have 19 days to restore the 68.4K edge they created to win the state by almost 6 points in 2012.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 20, 2016, 05:13:09 PM
if an edge of about 70k ballots is enough for a 6 point win......a really good GOTV-effort should make a smaller edge also viable.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 20, 2016, 05:15:42 PM
if an edge of about 70k ballots is enough for a 6 point win......a really good GOTV-effort should make a smaller edge also viable.

Iowa also has same-day voter registration which the Democrats have always used to bring younger voters to the polls


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Classic Conservative on October 20, 2016, 05:18:36 PM
So as of 5:00 the total in NC on the first day of Early Voting is 137,000 votes down from 167,000 on the first day in 2012. But we are still 12 minutes away from poll closings.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NCSBE/status/789225125732376576


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 20, 2016, 05:20:18 PM
So as of 5:00 the total in NC on the first day of Early Voting is 137,000 votes down from 167,000 on the first day in 2012. But we are still 12 minutes away from poll closings.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NCSBE/status/789225125732376576

Keep in mind that number might spike in the last hour as people try to vote after work. We'll see what the final total is


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 20, 2016, 05:46:36 PM
Didn't some counties in NC make early voting harder this year?

Wasn't that one of the reasons for all the lawsuits?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 20, 2016, 05:54:38 PM
Didn't some counties in NC make early voting harder this year?

Wasn't that one of the reasons for all the lawsuits?

Yeah, North Carolina has been on forefront of the voter supression movement.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 20, 2016, 07:05:41 PM
So as of 5:00 the total in NC on the first day of Early Voting is 137,000 votes down from 167,000 on the first day in 2012. But we are still 12 minutes away from poll closings.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NCSBE/status/789225125732376576

Keep in mind that number might spike in the last hour as people try to vote after work. We'll see what the final total is
Weird that they haven't posted the final numbers. Guess they might be waiting on those 7 outstanding counties.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Virginiá on October 20, 2016, 09:47:40 PM
Didn't some counties in NC make early voting harder this year?

Wasn't that one of the reasons for all the lawsuits?

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=241180.msg5327510#msg5327510

As I was saying in that, some of the cuts make no sense other than to suppress voting, given that the early voting hours/locations were different for the primary and only changed after the voter suppression law was struck down.

Anyway, for some of these counties, a lot more sites open up in the final 10 days of early voting, so cuts in some counties for the first 7 days isn't completely disastrous. I'm more worried about the flooded areas and whether or not displaced peoples there will end up voting, let alone piece their lives back together. Some of those places looked like they were in really bad shape.

Lord knows the state will not do anything to make voting easier for them. The NCGOP would put the polling places at the bottom of a lake if they could.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 20, 2016, 10:13:15 PM
Georgia early vote demographics (10/20)

White: 270,554 (62.5%)
African-American: 122,660 (28.4%)
Hispanic: 4,124 (1.0%)
Other: 7,058 (1.6%)
Unknown: 28,217 (6.5%)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 21, 2016, 12:27:11 AM
http://plunderbund.com/2016/10/20/hillarys-vp-sen-tim-kaine-tells-ohioans-2016-election-in-the-palm-of-their-hands/

“Voter turnout in Franklin County, home to state capital Columbus, is robust with more than 9,300 votes cast in person in the first four days, a 80 percent boost over the same period in 2012. Democrats have invested heavily in vote by mail efforts, and that appears to be paying off. The five Ohio counties with the largest vote by mail requests so far are Cuyahoga [home to Cleveland], Franklin, Hamilton [home to Cincinnati], Montgomery [home to Dayton] and Summit. Together they account for more than 40 percent of current ballot requests across the entire state. These five counties are likely to go for Hillary Clinton by similar or larger margins than President Obama’s 2012 results.”


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 21, 2016, 01:33:24 AM
Total number of ballots cast in all reporting jurisdictions: 3,841,020 votes or 8.3% of the total 2012 early vote.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 21, 2016, 02:35:15 AM
Indiana: Democrats leading the early voting surge according to survey
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INDIANAPOLIS (WISH) — With the excitement surrounding the election, it should be no surprise that early voting numbers are up.

In Marion County, the clerk’s office is averaging about 900 voters per day. At this point in 2012 it was closer to 700.

According to the WISH-TV/Ball State Hoosier survey, one particular party has more early voters.

When the 800 Hoosiers surveyed were asked who they plan to vote for, about 43 percent of them said Donald Trump, while 37 percent said Hillary Clinton.

But when asked if a person had already early voted the results flipped.

Trump had only 29 percent of early voters in the survey while Clinton climbed ahead to 59 percent
.

After looking at other races in the survey, it appears democrats are casting their ballots earlier than republicans.


http://wishtv.com/2016/10/20/democrats-leading-the-early-voting-surge-according-to-survey/

The democratic base is fired up! Hoping for a surprise!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 21, 2016, 03:13:30 AM
Maine as of 10/20...Looks good for the democrats!

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on October 21, 2016, 03:59:58 AM
Total number of ballots cast in all reporting jurisdictions: 3,841,020 votes or 8.3% of the total 2012 early vote.

Do we know, how many voted in 2012 during the same period?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 21, 2016, 05:18:44 AM
http://www.wpr.org/early-voting-strong-wisconsins-most-democratic-counties

MADISON — About 30 percent of all absentee ballots cast in Wisconsin so far have come from the state’s most heavily Democratic counties.

The latest data posted on the Wisconsin Elections Commission website shows ballots cast in Milwaukee and Dane counties are far outpacing those that have come from the conservative suburban counties of Washington, Waukesha and Ozaukee.

As of Wednesday, there were just over 55,000 ballots returned in Dane and Milwaukee counties compared with about 21,700 in the co-called WOW counties. About 183,700 were cast statewide.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Adam Griffin on October 21, 2016, 05:27:35 AM
Indiana: Democrats leading the early voting surge according to survey
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INDIANAPOLIS (WISH) — With the excitement surrounding the election, it should be no surprise that early voting numbers are up.

In Marion County, the clerk’s office is averaging about 900 voters per day. At this point in 2012 it was closer to 700.

That's actually really pathetic. Does Indiana limit early voting, are these absentee mail ballots, or what?

Marion County has 900k people: my relatively tiny county of 100k - of which 15% are undocumented - has been averaging 800 voters per day this week with just one early voting location.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 21, 2016, 05:29:14 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/21/politics/early-voting-hillary-clinton-battleground-states/

Utah

Perhaps most surprisingly, Democrats improved their position in conservative and Mormon-heavy Utah, where recent polls have shown a tight race. At this point in 2012, Republicans led Democrats in early voting by more than 22,000 voters. But so far this year, the GOP advantage is only 3,509

Ohio and Iowa

The best news Trump is in Iowa. So far, 38,280 more Democrats than Republicans have voted. It's a narrower advantage than 2012, when Democrats outpaced GOP voters by 53,719 at this point.
The numbers are also significantly down in Ohio, where only 179,162 people have cast ballots, a 66% drop from this point in 2012. Democrats have a slight lead in the early balloting, but their lead is smaller than in 2012, and overall Democratic turnout dropped at a higher rate than it did for Republicans.

Virginia and Wisconsin

In Wisconsin, the number of early voters to date more than tripled, jumping from 46,389 to 142,190. In-person early voting started in late October four years ago. But after a federal court struck down Wisconsin's strict voting laws, early voting began several weeks earlier in the Badger State this year.
Virginia saw a smaller increase of 18,079 voters, compared to 2012. The state doesn't allow in-person early voting, but residents can still vote early by providing an excuse and receiving an absentee ballot.

Georgia

And in Republican-leaning Georgia, early voting is up by about 25% this year compared to 2012. That was clear Wednesday in Lawrenceville, where about 200 people lined up to vote in the county's only early voting location. Waiting times were two hours, officials said, and dragged longer in the afternoon.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 21, 2016, 05:33:23 AM
http://www.wpr.org/early-voting-strong-wisconsins-most-democratic-counties

MADISON — About 30 percent of all absentee ballots cast in Wisconsin so far have come from the state’s most heavily Democratic counties.

The latest data posted on the Wisconsin Elections Commission website shows ballots cast in Milwaukee and Dane counties are far outpacing those that have come from the conservative suburban counties of Washington, Waukesha and Ozaukee.

As of Wednesday, there were just over 55,000 ballots returned in Dane and Milwaukee counties compared with about 21,700 in the co-called WOW counties. About 183,700 were cast statewide.

Dane and Milwaukee Counties represented 26% of the overall Wisconsin vote in 2012 and currently represent 30% of the early vote. The WOW counties represented 12.3% of the Wisconsin vote in 2012 and currently represent 11.8% of the early vote. Not a severe drop off for the republicans but a nice rise for the democrats


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 21, 2016, 07:44:38 AM
North Carolina

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Quote
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  28m
28 minutes ago
 
NC Dems pull well ahead of Reps in early voting, but for the first time fall behind their 2012 levels. Latter should be worrying for Dems

Quote
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  15m
15 minutes ago
 
Michael McDonald Retweeted Jim Quillen
If you want to spin it this way, note that NC Reps are off their 2012 levels even more than Dems

Gerry Cohen ‏@gercohen  26m
26 minutes ago
 
Raleigh, NC
Gerry Cohen Retweeted Michael McDonald
day 1 early vote subject to adjustment up tomorrow morning due to late reporting counties and later evening hours. 2012 totals were finals (http://Gerry Cohen ‏@gercohen  26m
26 minutes ago
 
Raleigh, NC
Gerry Cohen Retweeted Michael McDonald
day 1 early vote subject to adjustment up tomorrow morning due to late reporting counties and later evening hours. 2012 totals were finals)

Quote
Gerry Cohen ‏@gercohen  29m
29 minutes ago
 
Raleigh, NC
Gerry Cohen Retweeted Michael McDonald
NC early voting backloaded this year. (first 7 days added per 4th Circuit) Total site hours will be up 13% from 2012 for whole 17-day run.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 21, 2016, 07:58:02 AM
To follow up on Assembly,

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 21, 2016, 08:15:05 AM
http://plunderbund.com/2016/10/20/hillarys-vp-sen-tim-kaine-tells-ohioans-2016-election-in-the-palm-of-their-hands/

“Voter turnout in Franklin County, home to state capital Columbus, is robust with more than 9,300 votes cast in person in the first four days, a 80 percent boost over the same period in 2012. Democrats have invested heavily in vote by mail efforts, and that appears to be paying off. The five Ohio counties with the largest vote by mail requests so far are Cuyahoga [home to Cleveland], Franklin, Hamilton [home to Cincinnati], Montgomery [home to Dayton] and Summit. Together they account for more than 40 percent of current ballot requests across the entire state. These five counties are likely to go for Hillary Clinton by similar or larger margins than President Obama’s 2012 results.”

That's nice, but I'm confused because @ElectProject says doom and gloom in Ohio, and CNN too.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Doimper on October 21, 2016, 08:19:40 AM
https://twitter.com/gercohen/status/789447592564359169 (https://twitter.com/gercohen/status/789447592564359169)

Quote
again, keep in mind # of early voting sites open Day 1 is fewer in '16 than '12, but will expand beyond '12 as early voting continues #NCPOL


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 21, 2016, 08:43:12 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/21/in-several-key-states-the-early-vote-has-shifted-heavily-to-the-democrats-since-2012/

Democrats doing especially well compared to past years in Arizona/North Carolina/Florida.

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 21, 2016, 08:45:24 AM
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Looking at it from this pov, it doesn't seem like a doom yet for Democrats in Iowa.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 21, 2016, 08:48:00 AM
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We need more time to observe but what a weird trend in OH right now.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 21, 2016, 09:00:14 AM
It's explained that Ohio GOP cut back early voting.

Quote
Ohio's Republican legislature rolled back a week of early voting during which voters could both register and vote on the same day, for example — a change that's still being fought in court.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 21, 2016, 09:09:04 AM
It's explained that Ohio GOP cut back early voting.

Quote
Ohio's Republican legislature rolled back a week of early voting during which voters could both register and vote on the same day, for example — a change that's still being fought in court.

Ah, that explains the lag. Thanks!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 21, 2016, 09:40:39 AM
http://plunderbund.com/2016/10/20/hillarys-vp-sen-tim-kaine-tells-ohioans-2016-election-in-the-palm-of-their-hands/

“Voter turnout in Franklin County, home to state capital Columbus, is robust with more than 9,300 votes cast in person in the first four days, a 80 percent boost over the same period in 2012. Democrats have invested heavily in vote by mail efforts, and that appears to be paying off. The five Ohio counties with the largest vote by mail requests so far are Cuyahoga [home to Cleveland], Franklin, Hamilton [home to Cincinnati], Montgomery [home to Dayton] and Summit. Together they account for more than 40 percent of current ballot requests across the entire state. These five counties are likely to go for Hillary Clinton by similar or larger margins than President Obama’s 2012 results.”

That's nice, but I'm confused because @ElectProject says doom and gloom in Ohio, and CNN too.

There is no way to confirm it, but there has been some rumbling that turnout is down in the Republican areas of Cuyahoga and Franklin counties.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 21, 2016, 09:46:56 AM
in the surface it looks like dems are up everwhere besides OH/IA.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 21, 2016, 09:51:31 AM
http://plunderbund.com/2016/10/20/hillarys-vp-sen-tim-kaine-tells-ohioans-2016-election-in-the-palm-of-their-hands/

“Voter turnout in Franklin County, home to state capital Columbus, is robust with more than 9,300 votes cast in person in the first four days, a 80 percent boost over the same period in 2012. Democrats have invested heavily in vote by mail efforts, and that appears to be paying off. The five Ohio counties with the largest vote by mail requests so far are Cuyahoga [home to Cleveland], Franklin, Hamilton [home to Cincinnati], Montgomery [home to Dayton] and Summit. Together they account for more than 40 percent of current ballot requests across the entire state. These five counties are likely to go for Hillary Clinton by similar or larger margins than President Obama’s 2012 results.”

That's nice, but I'm confused because @ElectProject says doom and gloom in Ohio, and CNN too.

There is no way to confirm it, but there has been some rumbling that turnout is down in the Republican areas of Cuyahoga and Franklin counties.

True, it could mean Republicans in those counties are dragging down it down much more while Democrats are not lagging too badly. Obama held on to OH despite declining absentee ballot requests in Cuyahoga and Franklin from 2008 to 2012.

I can only hope massive new voters, who skew young and tend to vote in-person rather than through absentee, are the reasons why absentee requests are down in those areas.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Virginiá on October 21, 2016, 10:09:49 AM
https://thinkprogress.org/north-carolina-counties-that-slashed-early-voting-sites-see-hours-long-lines-fcffa0151748#.18q2h5p92

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This year, 17 North Carolina counties will provide fewer total early voting hours than in 2012, and three counties that offered early voting on a Sunday in 2012 got rid of that option. Many counties are offering no evening hours, making access difficult for people who work one or more jobs.

One of the areas with the longest lines this week — Charlotte’s Mecklenburg County — offered 22 locations for the first day of early voting in 2012. This year, they offered only 10. Voters reported waiting for more than three hours to cast a ballot.

This is what happens when you cut early voting for partisan gain. Removing the straight-ticket option at the same time seems to be exacerbating the lines as well, as many voters now have to fill out everything individually instead of just 2 boxes like before.

Can't wait until Cooper boots McCrory out of office and thus Republicans lose control of early voting plans in 2018-2020.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 21, 2016, 10:22:31 AM
since there hasn't been a surge of non-registered hispanics vote this year, i guess this is more about registered republican latinos either switching registration.



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: PresidentTRUMP on October 21, 2016, 10:37:10 AM
I could be wrong, but i was under the assumption from previous elections that early voting usually was prodmitally an advantage for the democrat nominee as most of those votes went to that candidate.

If thats true, anywhere early voting is down compared to 2008 and 2012 is probably a good thing for republicans as there base typically votes more aggressively on the actual election day.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 21, 2016, 10:56:14 AM
I could be wrong, but i was under the assumption from previous elections that early voting usually was prodmitally an advantage for the democrat nominee as most of those votes went to that candidate.

If thats true, anywhere early voting is down compared to 2008 and 2012 is probably a good thing for republicans as there base typically votes more aggressively on the actual election day.

Depends on the state. In NC and FL, for instance, that has definitely not been the case. Republican ballots are massively down for them this year, while Democrat ones are slightly or significantly up.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 21, 2016, 11:31:56 AM
So as of 5:00 the total in NC on the first day of Early Voting is 137,000 votes down from 167,000 on the first day in 2012. But we are still 12 minutes away from poll closings.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NCSBE/status/789225125732376576

137k number was because 7 counties weren't reporting.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NCSBE/status/789490910732099584

To follow up,

"In NC, 164,207 early votes cast on 1st day Thursday. In 2012, 166,943 votes on first day of early voting."


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 21, 2016, 11:45:10 AM
great results, regarding the bigger problems with voting this time.

enthusiasm seems to be up,


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Hydera on October 21, 2016, 12:29:36 PM
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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Devout Centrist on October 21, 2016, 12:58:31 PM
Wow. That's fantastic.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 21, 2016, 01:03:28 PM
is there any practical reason for the nevada dent?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 21, 2016, 02:38:13 PM

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In 4 days, Dems have moved to a tie in FL and narrowed the gap in GA a lot. Narrow movement in the other states.

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Trending more Republican the last couple of days. One exception is NV.

Could it be that the "undecided" closet Trump leaners sent in their ballots after watching the 3rd debate?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 21, 2016, 04:17:59 PM
Florida VBM stats, 10/21

Ballots still outstanding:

DEM: 823,824
GOP: 818,279
IND: 412,207
Other: 50,471

Ballots cast:

GOP: 416,860
DEM: 399,508
IND: 154,713
Other: 26,215

Florida will pass the million mark in votes cast tomorrow (they're at 997K now)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 21, 2016, 04:23:46 PM
Iowa absentee ballot stats 10/21

Ballots requested:

DEM: 190,229
GOP: 155,417
IND: 93,140
Other: 1,211

Dems have gained almost 3,000 on the GOP since yesterday.

Ballots cast:

DEM: 114,737
GOP: 75,782
IND: 44,732
Other: 598

Dems have gained almost 700 since yesterday and now lead by about 39K. I think the magic # for Clinton is a 50K margin going into election day to win


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 21, 2016, 04:28:27 PM
My guess is that the true believers are coming out for Trump with in person voting, but it should revert to traditional trends of Democrats dominating early voting. TargetSmart's #s look weird/outdated for North Carolina, unless they think white Dems are Republicans this year...

https://twitter.com/nate_cohn/status/789477974353518592
Registered Republicans were only 24% of 1st day in person voters.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 21, 2016, 04:30:27 PM
Iowa absentee ballot stats 10/21

Ballots requested:

DEM: 190,229
GOP: 155,417
IND: 93,140
Other: 1,211

Dems have gained almost 3,000 on the GOP since yesterday.

Ballots cast:

DEM: 114,737
GOP: 75,782
IND: 44,732
Other: 598

Dems have gained almost 700 since yesterday and now lead by about 39K. I think the magic # for Clinton is a 50K margin going into election day to win

These gains make sense with the rumblings reported by the media that both campaigns think Iowa has shifted toward Hillary recently.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 21, 2016, 04:32:01 PM
My guess is that the true believers are coming out for Trump with in person voting, but it should revert to traditional trends of Democrats dominating early voting. TargetSmart's #s look weird/outdated for North Carolina, unless they think white Dems are Republicans this year...

https://twitter.com/nate_cohn/status/789477974353518592
Registered Republicans were only 24% of 1st day in person voters.

That's probably worse for them than 2012, and we still have Souls to the Polls to expand the advantage. In Iowa, the best analyst is Pat Rynard (the Iowa Starting Line guy). He recently posted that the Democrats are recovering their position and starting to impose their will in the ground game after falling behind early.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 21, 2016, 05:10:02 PM
My guess is that the true believers are coming out for Trump with in person voting, but it should revert to traditional trends of Democrats dominating early voting. TargetSmart's #s look weird/outdated for North Carolina, unless they think white Dems are Republicans this year...

https://twitter.com/nate_cohn/status/789477974353518592
Registered Republicans were only 24% of 1st day in person voters.

That's probably worse for them than 2012, and we still have Souls to the Polls to expand the advantage. In Iowa, the best analyst is Pat Rynard (the Iowa Starting Line guy). He recently posted that the Democrats are recovering their position and starting to impose their will in the ground game after falling behind early.

You may be right.
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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on October 21, 2016, 05:28:25 PM
My guess is that the true believers are coming out for Trump with in person voting, but it should revert to traditional trends of Democrats dominating early voting. TargetSmart's #s look weird/outdated for North Carolina, unless they think white Dems are Republicans this year...

https://twitter.com/nate_cohn/status/789477974353518592
Registered Republicans were only 24% of 1st day in person voters.

That's probably worse for them than 2012, and we still have Souls to the Polls to expand the advantage. In Iowa, the best analyst is Pat Rynard (the Iowa Starting Line guy). He recently posted that the Democrats are recovering their position and starting to impose their will in the ground game after falling behind early.
It is not about ground-game lol. Trump is trailing in polls. What analysis do you need? Or did you think that trend in polls was not real?


Title: In several key states, the early vote has shifted heavily to the Democrats since
Post by: pppolitics on October 21, 2016, 05:41:12 PM
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No matter what nonsense occurs during the next 18 days of the presidential election, it makes no difference to at least 4 million Americans, since they've already voted. If Donald Trump's poll numbers plunge through the basement floor or if Hillary Clinton suddenly stumbles: No matter. For these happy citizens, they don't have to care one iota, save for some potential buyer's remorse. Those 4 million, a number making up 3.1 percent of the total vote in 2012, are free.

Most of them voted during a period when Clinton had a national lead — a narrow lead, if they voted a few weeks ago or a large lead if they voted more recently. So while it's probably not a surprise that early vote tallies in several swing states show a shift to the Democrats since 2012, it still means that Clinton has a greater percentage of banked votes than President Obama did at this point four years ago.

Catalist, a voter data firm that works mostly with Democratic campaigns, provided The Washington Post with early vote numbers from several battleground states that allowed us to compare current returns with the number of ballots returned in years past. In seven states for which returned ballot data was available by party, Democratic ballots made up a larger percentage of what had come back by the 20-day mark (that is, by 20 days before Election Day) than in 2012 (or in 2008 for Florida). In some cases, like Arizona and North Carolina, the shift to the Democrats was substantial.

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Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/21/in-several-key-states-the-early-vote-has-shifted-heavily-to-the-democrats-since-2012/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_earlyvote-910a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory


Title: Re: In several key states, the early vote has shifted heavily to the Democrats since
Post by: heatcharger on October 21, 2016, 05:43:40 PM
Wtf happened in Florida in 2008?


Title: Re: In several key states, the early vote has shifted heavily to the Democrats since
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 21, 2016, 05:55:58 PM
Nevada is unsettling.


Title: Re: In several key states, the early vote has shifted heavily to the Democrats since
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 21, 2016, 06:00:49 PM
Outside of Nev(Which Obama won in 2008) and maybe slightly in Iowa...The signs point to a huge Clinton advantage.


Title: Re: In several key states, the early vote has shifted heavily to the Democrats since
Post by: Hydera on October 21, 2016, 06:02:49 PM

Prior to the debates and the bulk of the GFC starting around the Lehman collapse on September 15. McCain held a 5% margin according to RCP.




So some disgruntled Hillary primary votes along with the upset of many voters on jokes about McCain's age and Obama ignoring the state because of McCain's poll lead at the time i think a lot of absentee ballots were sent that came from republicans.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/fl/florida_mccain_vs_obama-418.html

It took the Financial crisis starting and the debates to make a huge shift in opinion by November.


But look on the brightside. the 2008/2012 early vote had the GOP leading the absentee votes by 25% and now its in the 1-3%.


Title: Re: In several key states, the early vote has shifted heavily to the Democrats since
Post by: HillOfANight on October 21, 2016, 06:09:19 PM

In person voting starts there Saturday. Watch for a huge swing.


Title: Re: In several key states, the early vote has shifted heavily to the Democrats since
Post by: ‼realJohnEwards‼ on October 21, 2016, 07:27:29 PM

In person voting starts there Saturday. Watch for a huge swing.
Did it start earlier in 2012?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Crumpets on October 21, 2016, 07:58:17 PM
My ballot just arrived! I'll probably fill it out and mail it in tomorrow.


Title: Re: In several key states, the early vote has shifted heavily to the Democrats since
Post by: dspNY on October 21, 2016, 08:10:29 PM

The Dems built an 89K voter registration edge in the state. In person early voting starts tomorrow. I think we'll be OK in Nevada


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Seriously? on October 21, 2016, 08:32:04 PM
I wouldn't take much of the numbers in NC and FL showing a shift vs. same time out in 2012 seriously right now. You had a major disruption due to the hurricane in more Republican parts of the state. More likely than not, there will be more late arrivers in those areas.


Title: Re: In several key states, the early vote has shifted heavily to the Democrats since
Post by: Interlocutor is just not there yet on October 21, 2016, 08:34:15 PM


2016: October 22, 17 days

2012: October 20, 17 days


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 21, 2016, 09:33:05 PM
A few other states and CDs

Colorado ballots cast

DEM: 22,605 (43.9%)
GOP: 15,680 (30.5%)
IND: 12,410 (24.1%)
Other: 770 (1.5%)

Maine-2 ballots cast

DEM: 10,932 (46.0%)
GOP: 6,490 (27.3%)
IND: 5,631 (23.7%)
Other: 725 (3.0%)

These numbers indicate that Clinton has recovered well in Maine-2 and is likely being under-polled there.

Nebraska (statewide)

GOP: 65,823 (43.5%)
DEM: 61,611 (40.7%)
IND: 23,117 (15.3%)
Other: 880 (0.6%)

The Nebraska early vote numbers indicate that Clinton is doing very well in Nebraska-2


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 21, 2016, 10:04:26 PM
45% increase in Latino VBM in California!

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on October 21, 2016, 10:08:08 PM

RIP Darrell Issa :)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 21, 2016, 11:20:44 PM

I REALLY hope we'll see those kinds of numbers in NV and AZ too. Time has come for the Great Latino Surge.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ogre Mage on October 22, 2016, 06:49:12 AM
Politico:  early voting shows upsurge of women

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In three crucial battlegrounds — North Carolina, Florida and Georgia — women are casting early ballots in disproportionate numbers. And in North Carolina, a must-win state for Trump with detailed early voting data available, it’s clear that Democratic women have been particularly motivated to turn out or turn ballots in.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/early-voting-women-battleground-states-230176#ixzz4NmH8mlfp (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/early-voting-women-battleground-states-230176#ixzz4NmH8mlfp)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 22, 2016, 07:04:06 AM
Politico:  early voting shows upsurge of women

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In three crucial battlegrounds — North Carolina, Florida and Georgia — women are casting early ballots in disproportionate numbers. And in North Carolina, a must-win state for Trump with detailed early voting data available, it’s clear that Democratic women have been particularly motivated to turn out or turn ballots in.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/early-voting-women-battleground-states-230176#ixzz4NmH8mlfp (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/early-voting-women-battleground-states-230176#ixzz4NmH8mlfp)


Lovely.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Brittain33 on October 22, 2016, 07:26:45 AM
Politico:  early voting shows upsurge of women

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In three crucial battlegrounds — North Carolina, Florida and Georgia — women are casting early ballots in disproportionate numbers. And in North Carolina, a must-win state for Trump with detailed early voting data available, it’s clear that Democratic women have been particularly motivated to turn out or turn ballots in.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/early-voting-women-battleground-states-230176#ixzz4NmH8mlfp (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/early-voting-women-battleground-states-230176#ixzz4NmH8mlfp)


Such nasty women.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 22, 2016, 07:42:13 AM
Just a note:

In the Austrian Presidential runoff, a record number of postal ballots was requested (ca. 900.000) and the left-wing candidate won 2/3 of them (incl. my vote).

Yet on election day, the far-right populist candidate won the precinct vote by 52-48 (precinct votes were 85% of the total vote, postal votes were around 15%).

Overall, the result was about 50-50 in the end.

So, despite Dems doing well with the early vote it means nothing about how the overall vote will end up, as Trump's voters are the ones who will most likely vote strongly on election day - rather than early by postal ballot.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 22, 2016, 07:46:27 AM
Just a note:

In the Austrian Presidential runoff, a record number of postal ballots was requested (ca. 900.000) and the left-wing candidate won 2/3 of them (incl. my vote).

Yet on election day, the far-right populist candidate won the precinct vote by 52-48 (precinct votes were 85% of the total vote, postal votes were around 15%).

Overall, the result was about 50-50 in the end.

So, despite Dems doing well with the early vote it means nothing about how the overall vote will end up, as Trump's voters are the ones who will most likely vote strongly on election day - rather than early by postal ballot.

America is not Austria.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fusionmunster on October 22, 2016, 07:52:21 AM
Just a note:

In the Austrian Presidential runoff, a record number of postal ballots was requested (ca. 900.000) and the left-wing candidate won 2/3 of them (incl. my vote).

Yet on election day, the far-right populist candidate won the precinct vote by 52-48 (precinct votes were 85% of the total vote, postal votes were around 15%).

Overall, the result was about 50-50 in the end.

So, despite Dems doing well with the early vote it means nothing about how the overall vote will end up, as Trump's voters are the ones who will most likely vote strongly on election day - rather than early by postal ballot.

You dont have to constantly downplay Hillary's chances. Sometimes evidence dictates she's just doing well.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 22, 2016, 07:52:29 AM
Just a note:

In the Austrian Presidential runoff, a record number of postal ballots was requested (ca. 900.000) and the left-wing candidate won 2/3 of them (incl. my vote).

Yet on election day, the far-right populist candidate won the precinct vote by 52-48 (precinct votes were 85% of the total vote, postal votes were around 15%).

Overall, the result was about 50-50 in the end.

So, despite Dems doing well with the early vote it means nothing about how the overall vote will end up, as Trump's voters are the ones who will most likely vote strongly on election day - rather than early by postal ballot.

America is not Austria.

True, but it doesn't help to interpret a lot into these tiny good early voting numbers for the Dems, when Trump voters could turn out heavily on election day. Because the early vote and election day vote could be apples and oranges.

On the other hand, if all vote-by-mail states (such as CO) show a significant Democratic advantage a day before election day (when 95% of CO ballots have been mailed back already), then there's reason to believe Trump will be heavily defeated (yet we still don't know how Indys voted) ...


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 22, 2016, 07:58:05 AM
in fact, without the strong increase of postal ballots, the right-wing candidate would have won.

usually...in austria...some sub-groups (student's/educated persons/the elderly) of the electorate vote much more often with postal ballots than other groups = the increase of postal ballots has been a sign that the green candidate would do better with those voters than usual.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 22, 2016, 08:00:35 AM
Absentee vote up 63.33% in Nothern Virginia, down 0.4% in the rest of the state (http://www.vpap.org/visualizations/early-voting)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 22, 2016, 08:06:58 AM
in fact, without the strong increase of postal ballots, the right-wing candidate would have won.

usually...in austria...some sub-groups (student's/educated persons/the elderly) of the electorate vote much more often with postal ballots than other groups = the increase of postal ballots has been a sign that the green candidate would do better with those voters than usual.

But you cannot argue that the increase in postal ballots was responsible for the left-wing candidate's win. This argument is as bad as the FPÖ's (= far-right wingers) wishes that abolishing the postal vote would help them electorally ... => if the postal vote is abolished, postal-voting people would simply go back to precinct voting instead (and don't tell me they wouldn't, because they have no time on a Sunday).


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: JerryArkansas on October 22, 2016, 08:17:33 AM
Just a note:

In the Austrian Presidential runoff, a record number of postal ballots was requested (ca. 900.000) and the left-wing candidate won 2/3 of them (incl. my vote).

Yet on election day, the far-right populist candidate won the precinct vote by 52-48 (precinct votes were 85% of the total vote, postal votes were around 15%).

Overall, the result was about 50-50 in the end.

So, despite Dems doing well with the early vote it means nothing about how the overall vote will end up, as Trump's voters are the ones who will most likely vote strongly on election day - rather than early by postal ballot.

America is not Austria.

True, but it doesn't help to interpret a lot into these tiny good early voting numbers for the Dems, when Trump voters could turn out heavily on election day. Because the early vote and election day vote could be apples and oranges.

On the other hand, if all vote-by-mail states (such as CO) show a significant Democratic advantage a day before election day (when 95% of CO ballots have been mailed back already), then there's reason to believe Trump will be heavily defeated (yet we still don't know how Indys voted) ...
Alright, but still, America is not Austria.  Election day of course is going to skew Republican, everyone knows this.  You can still look at the trends however when it comes to enthusiasm.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on October 22, 2016, 08:23:10 AM
The trends in early voting pretty much agree with the recent polls, so I don't really see any reasons to question them. First, when they don't, we can make some hyphothesis to explain it.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 22, 2016, 08:49:12 AM
But you cannot argue that the increase in postal ballots was responsible for the left-wing candidate's win. This argument is as bad as the FPÖ's (= far-right wingers) wishes that abolishing the postal vote would help them electorally ... => if the postal vote is abolished, postal-voting people would simply go back to precinct voting instead (and don't tell me they wouldn't, because they have no time on a Sunday).

2 things....

1) if you would forbid some ways of voting you would for sure disenfranchise some voters.

2) more important:

the green candidate won the first runoff election cause he did better with those voting blocs who vote through postal ballots than other green/left-wing-candidates.

in general early voting in the US seems to be a tool with big-D democratic advantage - but i would guess that the college-educated and elderly also voted before in a higher margin before election day.

white, angry men, the key target group of mister trump, internationally prefers to vote in-person on election day.



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 22, 2016, 09:14:23 AM
Florida VBM stats (10/22)

Ballots requested/still outstanding:

DEM: 790,749
GOP: 780,168
IND: 402,220
Other: 48,620

Ballots cast:

GOP: 463,959 (41.8%)
DEM: 443,502 (40.0%)
IND: 172,753 (15.6%)
Other: 28,901 (2.6%)

Overall advantage for the GOP in ballots cast is now 20,457. Overall advantage for the GOP in ballots cast + ballots requested is down to a four digit margin: 9,876. However, as the number of ballots requested turn into votes, the actual vote count becomes more important


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Classic Conservative on October 22, 2016, 09:15:37 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/WinWithJMC/status/789824761576599552

North Carolina Early Vote and Absentee Vote is 6% less black than 2012.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 22, 2016, 09:19:01 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/WinWithJMC/status/789824761576599552

North Carolina Early Vote and Absentee Vote is 6% less black than 2012.

This is what happens when you pass voter supression laws. Hopefully things improve when more stations open up.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 22, 2016, 09:19:05 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/WinWithJMC/status/789824761576599552

North Carolina Early Vote and Absentee Vote is 6% less black than 2012.

Far fewer polling places open in African-American neighborhoods this time than last time. That will pick up as more polling places open


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Virginiá on October 22, 2016, 09:22:28 AM
On the other hand, if all vote-by-mail states (such as CO) show a significant Democratic advantage a day before election day (when 95% of CO ballots have been mailed back already), then there's reason to believe Trump will be heavily defeated (yet we still don't know how Indys voted) ...

Colorado still has in-person voting, but because of the all-mail system they reduced the number of polling stations. I can't find the source, so I could be wrong, but I recall reading a year ago that a majority of voters didn't vote by mail in 2014 (but I imagine that will pick up as more people become comfortable with the process)



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 22, 2016, 09:25:43 AM
just read on wikipedia (yeah, yeah, i know) that obama has had a lead of about 100k votes before election day 2012 in florida....guess regarding how close 2012 has been in florida, the dems need a similar margin again.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 22, 2016, 09:35:35 AM
Just a note:

In the Austrian Presidential runoff, a record number of postal ballots was requested (ca. 900.000) and the left-wing candidate won 2/3 of them (incl. my vote).

Yet on election day, the far-right populist candidate won the precinct vote by 52-48 (precinct votes were 85% of the total vote, postal votes were around 15%).

Overall, the result was about 50-50 in the end.

So, despite Dems doing well with the early vote it means nothing about how the overall vote will end up, as Trump's voters are the ones who will most likely vote strongly on election day - rather than early by postal ballot.

It also has to be put in context with polls. In 2014, Democrats were expected to lose the senate and only got false hope from the early signs but got crushed anyway.

This year seems to dovetail nicely with the polls with IA and OH requests being down, which are confirmed by polls to be Trump's strongest swing states; Republicans' requests being down in NC, which seems to confirm that Hillary is leading him there.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Brittain33 on October 22, 2016, 09:51:27 AM
Austria has multiple parties and there was zero historical precedent for predicting a Green - Far Right runoff.

In the U.S., we have at least two recent elections with early voting with the same parties that can provide a basis for comparison.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 22, 2016, 10:12:06 AM
Austria has multiple parties and there was zero historical precedent for predicting a Green - Far Right runoff.

In the U.S., we have at least two recent elections with early voting with the same parties that can provide a basis for comparison.

But muh dogsweat ™


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 22, 2016, 10:33:04 AM
Mr. Nevada, Jon Ralston, is doing a live blog (http://www.ktnv.com/news/ralston/the-nevada-early-voting-blog) on the first day of in-person early voting in Nevada.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Hydera on October 22, 2016, 10:48:02 AM
Back to the Virginia early votes.

http://www.vpap.org/visualizations/early-voting

63.3% Increase in Nova. Followed by a 10% increase in SouthWest Virginia.

However out of the 88,618 votes cast. 16,935 were new votes from NoVA. But only 367 new votes from SouthWest Virginia.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 22, 2016, 10:51:56 AM
Too early to bust this out?

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 22, 2016, 10:53:32 AM
virginia was never competetive this cycle.

but it points out that some polls are obviously correct.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 22, 2016, 11:11:18 AM
That's great news to start the day. VA is a lock.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 22, 2016, 11:39:28 AM
Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict
Gotta be pretty darn happy w these numbers if you're HRC
Nate Cohn @Nate_Cohn
The first day of in-person early voting in North Carolina:
Dem 52.7, Rep 24.3
White 67, Black 27.8
Female 55.1, Male 43.5


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 22, 2016, 11:41:06 AM
Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict
Gotta be pretty darn happy w these numbers if you're HRC
Nate Cohn @Nate_Cohn
The first day of in-person early voting in North Carolina:
Dem 52.7, Rep 24.3
White 67, Black 27.8
Female 55.1, Male 43.5


Great news!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 22, 2016, 11:43:34 AM
only question reamining would be if...as sean trende says 10 times each day....there are more dem voters this time or they are just sooo motivated that they are "cannibalizing" their election day vote.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 22, 2016, 11:57:15 AM
Mr. Nevada, Jon Ralston, is doing a live blog (http://www.ktnv.com/news/ralston/the-nevada-early-voting-blog) on the first day of in-person early voting in Nevada.

Ralston states:

"Republicans have about a 9 percent lead statewide in mail ballots returned, about the same as 2012. The Democrats here don’t put much effort into absentees, which made up 7 percent of the total ballots in 2012, and focus much more on driving early voting turnout."

Which I found surprising because according to http://www.electproject.org/early_2016, of the ~1M total votes cast in NV in 2012, about ~700K were "Advance" (= Absentee by mail + Early in person), which means the vast majority of Advance votes are Early in person.

So I looked it up at http://www.nvsos.gov/silverstate2012gen/vote-turnout/, and sure enough:

Active Registered Voters   1,258,409           
Election Day Turnout   311,613 (24.76%)           
Early Turnout   619,381 (49.21%)           
Absentee Turnout   85,670 (6.80%)           
Total Turnout   1,016,664 (80.77%)

I think Ralston misstated the numbers slightly, because the percentages are expressed as a function of total RV, not actual turnout, but the basic conclusion is the same: Early votes will dwarf Absentee votes in Nevada...




Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: republicanx on October 22, 2016, 12:32:14 PM
reps ahead by about 5% in florida as of today.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 22, 2016, 12:37:42 PM
Helpful charts from Pew:

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on October 22, 2016, 12:40:59 PM
Isn't California transitioning into an all-mail system too?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Crumpets on October 22, 2016, 12:45:34 PM
only question reamining would be if...as sean trende says 10 times each day....there are more dem voters this time or they are just sooo motivated that they are "cannibalizing" their election day vote.

Fortunately, even if it is just "cannibalizing" the election day vote, it is ensuring that the people who might be turned away from hours-long lines get multiple chances, and I'm guessing a lot of the unable-to-vote demographic in states like Florida, Ohio, and North Carolina are Democrats.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 22, 2016, 12:46:20 PM
reps ahead by about 5% in florida as of today.

They were ahead by 5.5% at this time in 2012 in VBM. They are ahead by 1.8% now. Obama won FL by 0.8%. If anything, that proves the polling showing Clinton +4 because the early vote in person will create the winning margin for her


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 22, 2016, 12:48:07 PM
it is going to be interesting to see if the increased number of registered republicans (mostly due to "dead" or switched voters, the dems have once again registered more new voters than the republicans), are going to make a difference in PA/FL...or if those voters have been voting republican all along.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 22, 2016, 12:48:19 PM
It's very soothing to see the positivity of the polling (generally) playing out in early voting so far. Thanks to everyone who has been gathering and translating the data, this part certainly isn't my strong suit.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Holmes on October 22, 2016, 12:52:13 PM
Isn't California transitioning into an all-mail system too?

As far as I know, no. Everyone I know here votes by mail but there's still a sizeable amount of voters that go to the polls on election day.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on October 22, 2016, 12:55:05 PM
only question reamining would be if...as sean trende says 10 times each day....there are more dem voters this time or they are just sooo motivated that they are "cannibalizing" their election day vote.

Fortunately, even if it is just "cannibalizing" the election day vote, it is ensuring that the people who might be turned away from hours-long lines get multiple chances, and I'm guessing a lot of the unable-to-vote demographic in states like Florida, Ohio, and North Carolina are Democrats.

I also think Mook's strategy is to use early voting as a way to reach soft Hillary supporters. The committed one's will vote no matter what, but team HRC seems to be making a concerted effort to get the soft supporters over to early vote to ensure they are captured.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 22, 2016, 12:58:10 PM
only question reamining would be if...as sean trende says 10 times each day....there are more dem voters this time or they are just sooo motivated that they are "cannibalizing" their election day vote.

Fortunately, even if it is just "cannibalizing" the election day vote, it is ensuring that the people who might be turned away from hours-long lines get multiple chances, and I'm guessing a lot of the unable-to-vote demographic in states like Florida, Ohio, and North Carolina are Democrats.

I also think Mook's strategy is to use early voting as a way to reach soft Hillary supporters. The committed one's will vote no matter what, but team HRC seems to be making a concerted effort to get the soft supporters over to early vote to ensure they are captured.

Also catches them while the polls are definitely in your favor. Smart.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 22, 2016, 01:06:53 PM
Isn't California transitioning into an all-mail system too?

As far as I know, no. Everyone I know here votes by mail but there's still a sizeable amount of voters that go to the polls on election day.

California just passed the new law (which applies to future elections)-- which automatically sends every registered voter a mail ballot and also creates "voting centers" (where you can vote early or drop off mail ballots) that would replace polling places-- a few weeks ago:

http://www.sos.ca.gov/administration/news-releases-and-advisories/2016-news-releases-and-advisories/governor-brown-signs-landmark-election-reform-bill/

Some counties can choose to implement the new system in 2018, and the rest have that option in 2020.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 22, 2016, 01:07:30 PM
Frank Luntz ‏@FrankLuntz  31m31 minutes ago
Early vote returns in FLORIDA so far

• Democrats:  305,700 in 2016 (111,471 in 2008)
• Republicans: 314,301 in 2016 (176,855 in 2008)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: republicanx on October 22, 2016, 01:12:17 PM
Frank Luntz ‏@FrankLuntz  31m31 minutes ago
Early vote returns in FLORIDA so far

• Democrats:  305,700 in 2016 (111,471 in 2008)
• Republicans: 314,301 in 2016 (176,855 in 2008)

I'm more curious about 2012


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 22, 2016, 01:14:23 PM
Frank Luntz ‏@FrankLuntz  31m31 minutes ago
Early vote returns in FLORIDA so far

• Democrats:  305,700 in 2016 (111,471 in 2008)
• Republicans: 314,301 in 2016 (176,855 in 2008)

I'm more curious about 2012

GOP was up by about 5.5 points at this time in 2012 in VBM


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: republicanx on October 22, 2016, 01:20:21 PM
Frank Luntz ‏@FrankLuntz  31m31 minutes ago
Early vote returns in FLORIDA so far

• Democrats:  305,700 in 2016 (111,471 in 2008)
• Republicans: 314,301 in 2016 (176,855 in 2008)

I'm more curious about 2012

GOP was up by about 5.5 points at this time in 2012 in VBM

yup down from 2012 at 3% spread, but electproject has the spread at 5% so more inline with 2012.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 22, 2016, 01:36:35 PM
Frank Luntz ‏@FrankLuntz  31m31 minutes ago
Early vote returns in FLORIDA so far

• Democrats:  305,700 in 2016 (111,471 in 2008)
• Republicans: 314,301 in 2016 (176,855 in 2008)

I'm more curious about 2012

GOP was up by about 5.5 points at this time in 2012 in VBM

yup down from 2012 at 3% spread, but electproject has the spread at 5% so more inline with 2012.

They are supposed to be up bigger considering this.

"In Florida, the state implemented a 2012 law that makes an absentee ballot request good for all elections through the calendar year of the second ensuing general election. Effectively, anyone requesting a mail ballot in 2014 or since was automatically added to the list of ballot requests for the November 8, 2016 election. This policy was unavailable prior to 2012, so it is impossible to make a reliable comparison to 2012."


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 22, 2016, 01:57:37 PM
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Not surprising, NC counties that reduced their number of polling locations tended to have lower early vote compared to 2012

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https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/789901835066716160



Guilford: Had 21,560 in-person votes on first two days of early voting in 2012; 3,295 in 2016 (-85%). Reduced polling places from 16 to 1


https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/789902702889140224




Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 22, 2016, 02:07:57 PM
Quote
Not surprising, NC counties that reduced their number of polling locations tended to have lower early vote compared to 2012

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https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/789901835066716160



Guilford: Had 21,560 in-person votes on first two days of early voting in 2012; 3,295 in 2016 (-85%). Reduced polling places from 16 to 1


https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/789902702889140224




Mecklenburg (Charlotte) still had almost the exact same turnout as 2012 despite 12 fewer polling places. That's astonishing and bodes well


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 22, 2016, 02:13:19 PM
before anyone notices it....dspNY is right but the first pic misstated the numbers of polling places. i updated the pic. :)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 22, 2016, 02:14:30 PM
before anyone notices it....dspNY is right but the first pic misstated the numbers of polling places. i updated the pic. :)

Yeah. Charlotte had 22 polling places at the start of early voting 4 years ago and they are down to 10, but with virtually the same turnout


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 22, 2016, 02:20:01 PM
this is simple mind-boggling for an european.

ofc we have some kind of ID...all of us are showing either their identity card or driver's license....and the people at each voting station know who is supposed to vote there...and there is a polling place at each corner, 3 of them a mile in each direction from my house......



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: OneJ on October 22, 2016, 02:20:47 PM
Frank Luntz ‏@FrankLuntz  31m31 minutes ago
Early vote returns in FLORIDA so far

• Democrats:  305,700 in 2016 (111,471 in 2008)
• Republicans: 314,301 in 2016 (176,855 in 2008)

I'm more curious about 2012

Looks like we are looking forward to record turnout (in FL at least). :)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 22, 2016, 02:24:23 PM
the comparison is a little bit off since early voting gets easier and more popular each cycle but if the parameters stay the same......this is going to bit hurtful.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: OneJ on October 22, 2016, 03:48:53 PM
Early in-person voting is up 23% across the great state of Virginia.

http://www.vpap.org/visualizations/early-voting


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Progressive on October 22, 2016, 04:23:36 PM
So, are there any signs in early voting that look good for Trump/bad for Hillary (or bad/good for down ballot candidates?)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 22, 2016, 04:27:09 PM
can't be said right now, too much change since 2012, many polling stations not opened.

but OH/IA look better for the GOP.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 22, 2016, 05:12:23 PM
a general problem for trump could be that his base (white, uneducated men) usually doesn't vote very often (especially if compared to educated females) and are more likely to believe in rigging, which also drives down turnout.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on October 22, 2016, 05:30:54 PM
Remember that both Trump and Clinton did really well with early voters in the primary.  I would expect the early vote to be up significantly nationwide and probably more evenly split than in 2012.  Also, keep in mind that the NeverTrump segment of the GOP tends to be the more ideologically opposed to early voting than anyone else in the country.  If there is a GOP turnout collapse, it will likely happen on election day itself.  If Clinton has problems with Sanders supporters, that should also show up more on election day than in the early vote.
Can you elaborate it? I thought that neverTrumpers are mostly well-educated that voted for Kasich. Or? Is there any research how a typical neverTrumper looks like?

And what does  "ideologically opposed to early voting" mean? ???


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 22, 2016, 05:32:59 PM
skill proposes, people who ideologically are against the concept of early voting wouldn't vote early.

i am sceptical.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on October 22, 2016, 05:34:37 PM
skill proposes, people who ideologically are against the concept of early voting wouldn't vote early.

i am sceptical.
I don't really understand what ideology has to do with early voting? Education/income - yes, but ideology? ???

Google "National Review, early voting" and read any of the articles that come up.
Will do. Thanks!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 22, 2016, 05:36:10 PM
I don't really understand what ideology has to do with early voting? Education/income - yes, but ideology? ???

some parts of the republican coalition think early voting is a bad idea and should be controlled/blocked.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 22, 2016, 06:11:49 PM
Ralston:

Clark County turnout record for the first day of early voting was 33,000 in 2012. They are likely to beat that this time around. Most likely bad news for Trump, but we'll have to see the party breakdown

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/789966976957284352


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 22, 2016, 07:01:27 PM
Wisconsin absentee ballot data 10/21

Dane and Milwaukee Counties comprise 29% of the overall absentee ballots. They comprised 26% of the overall Wisconsin vote in 2012. These are the heavy Dem counties.

Waukesha, Ozaukee and Washington Counties (WOW counties) comprise 12.3% of the overall absentee ballots. They comprised 12.3% of the overall Wisconsin vote in 2012. These are the heavy GOP counties.



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 22, 2016, 07:19:33 PM
Ralston:

Clark County turnout record for the first day of early voting was 33,000 in 2012. They are likely to beat that this time around. Most likely bad news for Trump, but we'll have to see the party breakdown

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/789966976957284352

When will we see the party breakdown?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 22, 2016, 07:24:54 PM
Ralston:

Clark County turnout record for the first day of early voting was 33,000 in 2012. They are likely to beat that this time around. Most likely bad news for Trump, but we'll have to see the party breakdown

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/789966976957284352

When will we see the party breakdown?

Voting continues until 8 PM Pacific so we won't see it until very late tonight, possibly tomorrow in the East


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 22, 2016, 07:29:11 PM
Ralston:

Clark County turnout record for the first day of early voting was 33,000 in 2012. They are likely to beat that this time around. Most likely bad news for Trump, but we'll have to see the party breakdown

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/789966976957284352

When will we see the party breakdown?

Voting continues until 8 PM Pacific so we won't see it until very late tonight, possibly tomorrow in the East

Not a problem for me - see avatar. California rules! 8)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Holmes on October 22, 2016, 08:03:34 PM
Not a problem for me - see avatar. California rules! 8)

It's ok.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 22, 2016, 08:13:59 PM
Ralston:

Day 1 of early voting in Clark County breaks the 2012 record. As of 6 PM, 37,138 people have voted. The record was 33,000


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 22, 2016, 08:20:59 PM
Ralston:

Day 1 of early voting in Clark County breaks the 2012 record. As of 6 PM, 37,138 people have voted. The record was 33,000
So much for waning enthusiasm in Nevada!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 22, 2016, 08:23:02 PM
Flawless beautiful titanium (Atlas) red NevADa!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 22, 2016, 08:26:20 PM
mormon-latino-state is trump kryptonite.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 22, 2016, 08:33:42 PM
Quote
Jeff E. Schapiro ‏@RTDSchapiro  6m6 minutes ago
Court-ordered, 1 1/2-day overtime for #Va voter registration nets nearly 28K new voters, says Egardo Cortes, head of state election agency.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 22, 2016, 08:33:54 PM
in fact this means the turnout is the same....but 200000 more people now live in clark county.

so you can say ...the turnout atm didn't decrease...AND there are more people there voting...


https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/790001943699525632



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: JerryArkansas on October 22, 2016, 08:36:15 PM
in fact this means the turnout is the same....but 200000 more people now live in clark county.

so you can say ...the turnout atm didn't increase...AND there are more people there voting...


https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/790001943699525632


Remember, these tweets were sent 2 hours before the polls closed.  So more are going to vote.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 22, 2016, 08:38:02 PM
Remember, these tweets were sent 2 hours before the polls closed.  So more are going to vote.

i meant didn't decrease anyway, just a typo. ;)

as long as nevada-indies don't suddenly break haaaaaard for trump, this is great news.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 22, 2016, 09:01:35 PM
Ralston: Dems with 1,800 voter advantage on the first day of early voting in Washoe (the swing county in NV). About 4800 Dems to 3000 Repubs

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/790009366321639424


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 22, 2016, 09:02:17 PM
drip drip drip

gop turnout down in swing country with republican reg. edge in NV


More democrats than republicans voted today in @washoecounty. Dems=4,809. Reps=3,078
https://twitter.com/Colinlygren/status/790006894307848192


9,429 people voted today in @washoecounty. That's just 18 more people than the first day of early voting in the 2012 General Election (9411)
https://twitter.com/Colinlygren/status/790005513371185156


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 22, 2016, 09:04:38 PM
drip drip drip

gop turnout down in swing country with republican reg. edge in NV


More democrats than republicans voted today in @washoecounty. Dems=4,809. Reps=3,078
https://twitter.com/Colinlygren/status/790006894307848192


9,429 people voted today in @washoecounty. That's just 18 more people than the first day of early voting in the 2012 General Election (9411)
https://twitter.com/Colinlygren/status/790005513371185156


That indicates Republican disillusionment in NV, at least in the early going. Washoe is a fast-growing county with a slight GOP voter registration edge. Clark County's 1st day turnout will be much larger than 2012, even with the population growth taken into account


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 22, 2016, 09:34:58 PM
Great news! Keep it up, Dems! :)

Are there stats on the race/ethnicity of early voters as well?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Holmes on October 22, 2016, 09:35:30 PM
Bad first day of early voting for Republicans in Nevada. Nearly two thirds of votes in the state are early votes so Clinton may have the state won before election day if this pattern holds.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 22, 2016, 09:36:57 PM
first day is surely too early for assumptions but if dems are more energized to vote than reps, it's telling...and a total turnaround to the major narrative of this campaign.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 22, 2016, 10:02:00 PM
More on Washoe:

Quote
Jon Ralston
‏@RalstonReports
Huge day for Dems on first day in Washoe:
2012: 1,000 raw-vote difference, 10-point D edge
2016: 1,800 raw-vote difference, 19-point D edge


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 22, 2016, 10:02:53 PM
More on Washoe:

Quote
Jon Ralston
‏@RalstonReports
Huge day for Dems on first day in Washoe:
2012: 1,000 raw-vote difference, 10-point D edge
2016: 1,800 raw-vote difference, 19-point D edge

DOMINATING


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on October 22, 2016, 10:26:31 PM
lol @ the people who ever though Nevada was anything but Safe D.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 22, 2016, 10:33:24 PM
Glad to hear strong numbers from NV

As for OH, it seems that Hillary's team is optimistic about the state.

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/22/1585592/-Some-Good-Initial-Signs-from-Ohio-Early-Voting-for-Clinton

"Although the total # of absentee ballot requests in OH is down from 2012, a greater proportion of those requests are coming from the 5 big Dem counties (Cuyahoga, Franklin, Hamilton, Montgomery and Summit).  Dems have thus far increased their advantage in returned ballots as compared to 2012.

More people voted during in person early voting in the first 4 days than over a similar period in 2012 (Hillary stated this in her speech in Cleveland), particularly in Hamilton County (Cincinnati) and Franklin County (Columbus). The campaign is expecting that the total vote and margin in those 2 counties will exceed Obama’s margins in 2012."


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 22, 2016, 11:05:08 PM
That's awesome from NV!

As for OH, I thought the news so far had been pretty sour. Again, I'm terrible at deciphering early voting trends etc. Is there anything to what Bo just posted?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 22, 2016, 11:08:24 PM
don't think anyone can decipher OH right now.

as far as i have read, much easier for "smaller" states or states with a bigger early-vote tradition......so VA/NC/FL/NV can be followed easier.



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Hydera on October 22, 2016, 11:45:57 PM
lol @ the people who ever though Nevada was anything but Safe D.

It should be safe D but the forum is a bit reserved because the polls doesnt show a good enough lead which is because spanish speaking households have bad response rates to polls.




Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ljube on October 22, 2016, 11:53:18 PM
lol @ the people who ever though Nevada was anything but Safe D.

It should be safe D but the forum is a bit reserved because the polls doesnt show a good enough lead which is because spanish speaking households have bad response rates to polls.




No longer reserved. Safe D.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Xing on October 23, 2016, 12:04:04 AM
lol @ the people who ever though Nevada was anything but Safe D.

Yep, that's what I've been telling people from the start. ;)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Eraserhead on October 23, 2016, 03:04:42 AM
Trump's mob buddies better start cracking skulls in NV.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Minnesota Mike on October 23, 2016, 03:41:54 AM
Nevada Day 1 as of 11:30 PM (some smaller counties have not reported yet):

http://nvsos.gov/sos/home/showdocument?id=4531

In Person

Dem 27,309 (52.79%)
Rep 15,313 (29.60%)
Other 9,113 (17.61%)

Absentee's

Dem 13,708 (42.79%)
Rep 12,293 (38.37%)
Other 6,038 (18.85%)

Total

Dem 41,017 (48.96%)
Rep  27,606 (32.95%)
Other 15,151 (18.09%)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 23, 2016, 04:12:29 AM
If day one numbers hold through the week, Democratic vote share would be up 5 points from 2012 in Clark County, just under 50% to just under 55%.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 23, 2016, 07:27:16 AM
Florida VBM 10/23 (last day before in-person early voting begins)

Ballots outstanding/remaining

DEM: 767,354
GOP: 751,791
IND: 394,468
Other: 46,836

Ballots cast

GOP: 496,040 (41.7%)
DEM: 476,292 (40.1%)
IND: 185,369 (15.6%)
Other: 31,039 (2.6%)

The GOP leads by 19,748, with one more county needing to update (Volusia)

Combined, the Republicans lead by 4,185 ballots out of 3.15 million ballots sent/cast right before in-person early voting begins


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 23, 2016, 09:16:20 AM
Georgia early vote demographics (10/20)

White: 270,554 (62.5%)
African-American: 122,660 (28.4%)
Hispanic: 4,124 (1.0%)
Other: 7,058 (1.6%)
Unknown: 28,217 (6.5%)

Michael hasn't tweeted yet, but I checked his spreadsheet and it's a bit concerning... Since 10/20, whites are down 0.1%, blacks down 1.2%, other up 0.4%, unknown up 0.8%.

White: 403,067 - 62.4%
Black: 175,732   - 27.2%
Hispanic: 6,752   - 1%
Other: 12,896 - 2%
Unknown: 47,264 - 7.3%

Total: 645,711


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: JerryArkansas on October 23, 2016, 09:19:29 AM
Georgia early vote demographics (10/20)

White: 270,554 (62.5%)
African-American: 122,660 (28.4%)
Hispanic: 4,124 (1.0%)
Other: 7,058 (1.6%)
Unknown: 28,217 (6.5%)

Michael hasn't tweeted yet, but I checked his spreadsheet and it's a bit concerning... Since 10/20, whites are down 0.1%, blacks down 1.2%, other up 0.4%, unknown up 0.8%.

White: 403,067 - 62.4%
Black: 175,732   - 27.2%
Hispanic: 6,752   - 1%
Other: 12,896 - 2%
Unknown: 47,264 - 7.3%

Total: 645,711
I wouldn't be too concerned as of yet.  IIRC Griffin said that many people who were registered under unknown were African Americans who were not able to or haven't changed the designation.  I could be remembering wrong though, so just better ask him.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 23, 2016, 09:32:00 AM
Jon Ralston:

Quote
BREAKING: Democrats massacre Republicans on first day of early voting in Clark County. 11,000 raw vote lead. 55 percent to 27 percent.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 23, 2016, 09:35:02 AM
Georgia early vote demographics (10/20)

White: 270,554 (62.5%)
African-American: 122,660 (28.4%)
Hispanic: 4,124 (1.0%)
Other: 7,058 (1.6%)
Unknown: 28,217 (6.5%)

Michael hasn't tweeted yet, but I checked his spreadsheet and it's a bit concerning... Since 10/20, whites are down 0.1%, blacks down 1.2%, other up 0.4%, unknown up 0.8%.

White: 403,067 - 62.4%
Black: 175,732   - 27.2%
Hispanic: 6,752   - 1%
Other: 12,896 - 2%
Unknown: 47,264 - 7.3%

Total: 645,711
I wouldn't be too concerned as of yet.  IIRC Griffin said that many people who were registered under unknown were African Americans who were not able to or haven't changed the designation.  I could be remembering wrong though, so just better ask him.

http://www.peachpundit.com/2014/10/30/examination-voting-history-shows-changing-demographics-affect-2014-elections/#comment-392573
Mark Rountree (Landmark pollster) has said his research shows unknown to be 2/3 minority. Still, odd that weekend voting and blacks declined. Maybe expanded early voting 10/29 will flip the numbers.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 23, 2016, 09:40:02 AM
Jon Ralston:

Quote
BREAKING: Democrats massacre Republicans on first day of early voting in Clark County. 11,000 raw vote lead. 55 percent to 27 percent.

In comparison to 2012's first day of NV early vote:

Quote
Democrats also decisively defeated Republicans in first round of absentee ballots, usually a GOP strength, posted in Clark County: 8,976-7,448, or 46-38. So raw number in Clark so far: Dems, 27,364-17,036. That's 52-32, or 5 points above the registration edge.

So: After one day -- remember it's only one day! -- using absentees and early votes in Clark and early votes in Washoe (don't have absentees yet), the Democrats have an 11,000-vote lead statewide. Let's see where we go from here. The gap will close. By how much is the big question.

The early-vote numbers show a 26 percent edge in Clark County and 10 percent in Washoe County. That's about a 10,000-vote lead in Washoe and Clark combined.

The Clark numbers: 55-29, or 18,388-9,588 (Actual registration: 46-31)

The Washoe numbers: 48-38, or 4,604-3,619 (Actual registration: 38-38)

Yes, it's only one day. But if it continues like this, Nov. 6 is going to be a very bleak day for Republicans in this state.

https://www.ralstonreports.com/blog/democrats-massacre-republicans-first-day-early-voting-urban-areas


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 23, 2016, 09:50:44 AM
Georgia early vote demographics (10/20)

White: 270,554 (62.5%)
African-American: 122,660 (28.4%)
Hispanic: 4,124 (1.0%)
Other: 7,058 (1.6%)
Unknown: 28,217 (6.5%)

Michael hasn't tweeted yet, but I checked his spreadsheet and it's a bit concerning... Since 10/20, whites are down 0.1%, blacks down 1.2%, other up 0.4%, unknown up 0.8%.

White: 403,067 - 62.4%
Black: 175,732   - 27.2%
Hispanic: 6,752   - 1%
Other: 12,896 - 2%
Unknown: 47,264 - 7.3%

Total: 645,711
I wouldn't be too concerned as of yet.  IIRC Griffin said that many people who were registered under unknown were African Americans who were not able to or haven't changed the designation.  I could be remembering wrong though, so just better ask him.

http://www.peachpundit.com/2014/10/30/examination-voting-history-shows-changing-demographics-affect-2014-elections/#comment-392573
Mark Rountree (Landmark pollster) has said his research shows unknown to be 2/3 minority. Still, odd that weekend voting and blacks declined. Maybe expanded early voting 10/29 will flip the numbers.

So the real demographic numbers are something like 64% white, 30% African-American, and 5% other


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 23, 2016, 09:57:30 AM
https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/790204516515799041

"Dems have a 13,500 raw vote lead statewide after the first day of early/mail voting in Nevada:
http://nvsos.gov/sos/home/showdocument?id=4531 …
Full post coming."


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on October 23, 2016, 10:05:41 AM
Not exactly an early voting post but...
As Kyle Kondik mentioned on twitter California Republicans are probably facing a downballot disaster. The presidential election is uncompetitive, the senate election is between two Democrats, throw in Trump's meltdown and that means that Republican voters have almost zero motivation to go to the polls. Bad news for Issa, Knight and perhaps many other congressmen.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Virginiá on October 23, 2016, 10:07:40 AM
Not exactly an early voting post but...
As Kyle Kondik mentioned on twitter California Republicans are probably facing a downballot disaster. The presidential election is uncompetitive, the senate election is between two Democrats, throw in Trump's meltdown and that means that Republican voters have almost zero motivation to go to the polls. Bad news for Issa, Knight and perhaps many other congressmen.

Not to mention the state legislature. Democrats could really have a shot at a comfortable supermajority if it does indeed turn out to be hell on earth for the CA GOP. That would essentially seal their fate as nothing but a inland rump party.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 23, 2016, 10:12:33 AM
A graph of the numbers on white voters' early voting in NC, per Michael Bitzer (https://twitter.com/BowTiePolitics/status/790205818985705473):

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Hydera on October 23, 2016, 10:40:50 AM
http://www.electproject.org/early_2016


North Carolina looks very promising. 44.2% Dem vs 30.1% GOP.

For West Virginia even though democrats lead, lots of democrats have not been voted for a Democrat in the presidential ballot for years.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 23, 2016, 11:25:47 AM
Georgia early vote demographics (10/20)

White: 270,554 (62.5%)
African-American: 122,660 (28.4%)
Hispanic: 4,124 (1.0%)
Other: 7,058 (1.6%)
Unknown: 28,217 (6.5%)

Michael hasn't tweeted yet, but I checked his spreadsheet and it's a bit concerning... Since 10/20, whites are down 0.1%, blacks down 1.2%, other up 0.4%, unknown up 0.8%.

White: 403,067 - 62.4%
Black: 175,732   - 27.2%
Hispanic: 6,752   - 1%
Other: 12,896 - 2%
Unknown: 47,264 - 7.3%

Total: 645,711
I wouldn't be too concerned as of yet.  IIRC Griffin said that many people who were registered under unknown were African Americans who were not able to or haven't changed the designation.  I could be remembering wrong though, so just better ask him.

http://www.peachpundit.com/2014/10/30/examination-voting-history-shows-changing-demographics-affect-2014-elections/#comment-392573
Mark Rountree (Landmark pollster) has said his research shows unknown to be 2/3 minority. Still, odd that weekend voting and blacks declined. Maybe expanded early voting 10/29 will flip the numbers.

So the real demographic numbers are something like 64% white, 30% African-American, and 5% other

http://www.politico.com/blogs/charlie-mahtesian/2012/10/georgia-black-turnout-on-record-pace-147409
http://gapundit.com/2014/08/26/2010-and-2012-general-election-voter-turnout-by-race/
In 2012, late October, blacks were 33% of early voting, and including final election day turnout, ended up at 30%.

http://www.electproject.org/2008_early_vote
In 2008, blacks were 34.9% of early voting (ended up ~30% of overall turnout).

So unless she starts polling really well with whites, the black turnout needs to increase a lot.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: republicanx on October 23, 2016, 11:26:54 AM
http://www.electproject.org/early_2016


North Carolina looks very promising. 44.2% Dem vs 30.1% GOP.

For West Virginia even though democrats lead, lots of democrats have not been voted for a Democrat in the presidential ballot for years.

80k lead, coming into election day they had 162 lead. when does early voting stop in nc?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 23, 2016, 12:23:53 PM
I don't think it is terribly useful to compare race numbers from now back to 2012 because the share of "unknown" has grown so much, especially in heavily black counties.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 23, 2016, 01:16:54 PM
Well I downloaded the Georgia absentee files and learned that Clayton, Bibb, Richmond, Rockdale, etc. (heavily Black/Obama counties) don't have weekend voting until October 29, so that definitely explains a lot...


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 23, 2016, 01:24:41 PM
Well I downloaded the Georgia absentee files and learned that Clayton, Bibb, Richmond, Rockdale, etc. (heavily Black/Obama counties) don't have weekend voting until October 29, so that definitely explains a lot...

Voter suppression :(

Were they open for the entire early voting window in 2012? That's the question for comparison purposes. We have clear data showing NC's attempt to suppress the African-American vote


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 23, 2016, 01:40:07 PM
Not sure exactly. Those areas are probably controlled by Democrats.

On the plus side, just checking Clayton (Obama 85 Romney 15), they'll have Sunday voting October 30th.

Fulton (64 Obama 35 Romney) is also voting this Sunday and next, and Dekalb (78 Obama 21 Romney) in a few places on 10/30 (Sunday).


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 23, 2016, 01:56:56 PM
Ok his spreadsheet now says "Counting all returned ballots as mail ballots, including in-person. Will fix."


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on October 23, 2016, 03:03:02 PM
Florida absentees capturing a Latino surge:

daniel a. smith
daniel a. smith –  ‏@electionsmith

Absentee ballots cast in 2012 GE at this time, 80% by Whites, 9% by Hispanics, 8% by blacks. Thru 10/22/2016, the %s are:
76% W
12% H
8% B


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 23, 2016, 03:04:20 PM
Florida absentees capturing a Latino surge:

daniel a. smith
daniel a. smith –  ‏@electionsmith

Absentee ballots cast in 2012 GE at this time, 80% by Whites, 9% by Hispanics, 8% by blacks. Thru 10/22/2016, the %s are:
76% W
12% H
8% B

I've been saying this for months, but pollsters have underestimated the tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of Puerto Ricans who moved to Florida in the last 4 years.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 23, 2016, 03:27:29 PM
Crossed the 5 million votes cast mark!

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/790286401598205952


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Minnesota Mike on October 23, 2016, 03:33:00 PM
Nevada Elections ‏@NVElect  51m51 minutes ago
There was an error in reporting Washoe mail/absentee ballot returns. The corrected info can be found here: http://nvsos.gov/sos/home/showdocument?id=4537 ….

Reps take a small lead in absentees but Dems dominating in In Person WEarly Voting.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: OneJ on October 23, 2016, 04:11:34 PM
Speaking of Black turnout, what are the numbers looking like so far because I heard that it was still high anyway?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 23, 2016, 04:13:31 PM
Nevada Elections ‏@NVElect  51m51 minutes ago
There was an error in reporting Washoe mail/absentee ballot returns. The corrected info can be found here: http://nvsos.gov/sos/home/showdocument?id=4537 ….

Reps take a small lead in absentees but Dems dominating in In Person WEarly Voting.
I think the final breakdown for Nevada voting in 2012 was about 61% in person early voting, 8.5%  mail-in/absentee and 30.5% election day. Democrats won the early vote in a romp and eleciton day narrowly while Republicans won absentee ballots narrowly.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 23, 2016, 04:33:13 PM
Speaking of Black turnout, what are the numbers looking like so far because I heard that it was still high anyway?

about the same in GA and a little bit down in NC but that comparison is unfair cause of the decrease of early polling stations.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: OneJ on October 23, 2016, 04:39:21 PM
Speaking of Black turnout, what are the numbers looking like so far because I heard that it was still high anyway?

about the same in GA and a little bit down in NC but that comparison is unfair cause of the decrease of early polling stations.

That sounds good despite obvious voter suppression.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on October 23, 2016, 04:41:59 PM
An Noticeable Trend in Comparing 2012 to 2016 Cumulative NC Absentee Voting by Old North State Politics (http://www.oldnorthstatepolitics.com/2016/10/an-noticeable-trend-in-comparing-2012.html)

Election Update: Trump May Depress Republican Turnout, Spelling Disaster For The GOP by 538, Nate Silver (http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-trump-may-depress-republican-turnout-spelling-disaster-for-the-gop/)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 23, 2016, 06:04:07 PM
Nevada:

22,000 people had voted in Clark County by 3 PM. Looks as if total will be bigger than 26,000 on second day in 2012.
https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/790321227139125248


NC and FL:


Republican Lead in Two Early Voting States Will Be Tested
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/republican-lead-two-early-voting-states-will-be-tested-n671396

 At first glance, these numbers look promising for Republicans. However, Republicans in Florida and North Carolina did much better with mail in absentee ballot voting than in person voting. The 2016 early voting numbers reported here include only mail in absentee early votes in both states.

One way to benchmark the current 2016 early voting numbers in Florida and North Carolina is to break out the early vote from 2012 by early voting method. This break out allows for a comparison of mail in absentee voting versus in person voting in both states. In 2012, Republicans in Florida cast 3 percent more ballots than Democrats by absentee mail in voting. Results in Florida so far in 2016 show very similar results for mail in voting with Republican down 1 percent compared to Democrats from the 2012 numbers.

North Carolina, however, shows that Democrats are significantly outperforming their 2012 mail in absentee voting numbers. In 2012, Republicans held a 22 percent advantage over Democrats in mail absentee ballots cast. The Republican advantage currently is only 5 percent - a net drop of 17 percentage points from the final 2012 mail in voting numbers.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 23, 2016, 07:41:15 PM
Democrats now lead in NV by about 12000 votes. (combined early-in-voting and the small rep-lead with absentees)

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/790350942805725185


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Holmes on October 23, 2016, 08:00:17 PM
Yeah, Hillary won Nevada. We're seeing it happen over the span of 17 days.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 23, 2016, 08:03:02 PM
well, how long does it usually take until the dems lead in florida?





Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 23, 2016, 08:09:08 PM
http://www.insight-us.org/blog/north-carolinas-early-voting-2016-dashboard/

North Carolina

With 385,000 ballots now cast, turnout remains below 2012’s pace, but not by much (95% of 2012’s rate for the corresponding period). That’s a very substantial change from the 81% we reported on October 20th, just before Early Voting began.

Turnout is down not surprisingly in 28 counties that have restricted early voting, but in normal counties, it's up across all parties, especially unaffiliateds.

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A warning sign for Clinton, black turnout is 75% of what it was in 2012, compared to 102% among whites. It does mention that this Sunday's souls to the polls could alleviate that.

()


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Holmes on October 23, 2016, 08:09:18 PM
well, how long does it usually take until the dems lead in florida?

By tomorrow evening when early voting ends for the day.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 23, 2016, 08:13:32 PM
http://www.insight-us.org/blog/north-carolinas-early-voting-2016-dashboard/

North Carolina

With 385,000 ballots now cast, turnout remains below 2012’s pace, but not by much (95% of 2012’s rate for the corresponding period). That’s a very substantial change from the 81% we reported on October 20th, just before Early Voting began.

Turnout is down not surprisingly in 28 counties that have restricted early voting, but in normal counties, it's up across all parties, especially unaffiliateds.

()

A warning sign for Clinton, black turnout is 75% of what it was in 2012, compared to 102% among whites. It does mention that this Sunday's souls to the polls could alleviate that.

()

Many of the restricted early voting counties are heavily black, so it's not shocking their turnout is down.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 23, 2016, 08:14:55 PM
http://www.insight-us.org/blog/north-carolinas-early-voting-2016-dashboard/

North Carolina

With 385,000 ballots now cast, turnout remains below 2012’s pace, but not by much (95% of 2012’s rate for the corresponding period). That’s a very substantial change from the 81% we reported on October 20th, just before Early Voting began.

Turnout is down not surprisingly in 28 counties that have restricted early voting, but in normal counties, it's up across all parties, especially unaffiliateds.

()

A warning sign for Clinton, black turnout is 75% of what it was in 2012, compared to 102% among whites. It does mention that this Sunday's souls to the polls could alleviate that.

()
Not seeing why Clinton should be concerned if Democrats are doing much better than 2012 (compared to GOP) with a whiter electorate. I suppose we will see how souls to the polls impacts African American turnout.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 23, 2016, 08:37:47 PM
Is there a way to know how many white Democrats will vote Clinton?
https://enr.ncsbe.gov/voter_stats/results.aspx?date=10-22-2016
39% of all voters are Democrats, 30% are Republicans, yet the presidential races have been tight... Polls usually break out results by party ID, not registration.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 23, 2016, 08:40:22 PM
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  3m3 minutes ago
My weekly roundup of early voting activity for the past week. Enjoy!

"Early Voting: The Election Is Being Held Today"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-p-mcdonald/early-voting-the-election_b_12614284.html


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 23, 2016, 08:42:34 PM
@RalstonReports
30,220 people had voted in Clark by 6 PM today. Was 26,000 on second day in 2012.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 23, 2016, 08:53:40 PM
@RalstonReports
30,220 people had voted in Clark by 6 PM today. Was 26,000 on second day in 2012.

Yikes. So, low turnout election eh?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 23, 2016, 09:12:57 PM
So consensus is NV and VA are looking great for Clinton, IA and OH looking poor and NC and GA are ambiguous?
North Carolina is looking very good, Georgia is hard to say because of oddities with the racial data.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 23, 2016, 09:13:59 PM
So consensus is NV and VA are looking great for Clinton, IA and OH looking poor and NC and GA are ambiguous?
North Carolina is looking very good, Georgia is hard to say because of oddities with the racial data.

And the reduction of polling places @GA in D areas


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 23, 2016, 09:15:05 PM
How is Florida looking?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 23, 2016, 09:17:35 PM
So consensus is NV and VA are looking great for Clinton, IA and OH looking poor and NC and GA are ambiguous?

No. NV/VA looking great, OH it's too early but it's improved, IA is still weaker than it should be and NC and GA are impacted by other factors so cannot easily compare to 2012, although NC is still looking strong.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 23, 2016, 09:21:57 PM

Early voting starts tomorrow, but with mail-in ballots, marginally better for HRC than it was for Obama in 2012, which is good.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on October 24, 2016, 01:10:14 AM
daniel a. smith
‏@electionsmith

Absentee ballots cast in 2012 GE at this time, 80% by Whites, 9% by Hispanics, 8% by blacks.
Thru 10/22/2016, the %s are:

76% W
12% H
8% B


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 24, 2016, 07:43:13 AM
108,000 people registered to vote during the extra week granted in Florida (http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/surge-of-post-hurricane-matthew-voters-breaks-100000-mark/2299780)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: JerryArkansas on October 24, 2016, 07:49:46 AM
Early voting breaking out across the country today.  Wonder how many are going to take advantage of it.  Know I am here in Arkansas.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 24, 2016, 08:03:03 AM
Quote
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  12m
12 minutes ago
 
Preliminary, a third of the 23,618 NC voters yesterday were African-American, what is called "souls to polls"


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on October 24, 2016, 08:29:56 AM
more good florida dem news:

Adam Smith
Adam Smith – Verified account ‏@adamsmithtimes

1.2 mil Floridians have voted by mail: 504k Reps, 483k Dems, 220k others. GOP had 5 point mail advantage at this point in 12. Today, 1.7


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 24, 2016, 08:44:00 AM
daniel a. smith
‏@electionsmith

Absentee ballots cast in 2012 GE at this time, 80% by Whites, 9% by Hispanics, 8% by blacks.
Thru 10/22/2016, the %s are:

76% W
12% H
8% B

That number is for Florida so it indicates an improvement for Dems over 2012. Interesting to see how the early in-person vote breaks out


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 24, 2016, 08:57:02 AM
Just voted on campus at UT-Austin! My anecdote is particularly useless since I can't compare it to a previous prez election here, but I think it looked decently, if not overwhelmingly, busy. For 8:30 am on day one, I would guess 25 other people were voting there at the same time as me, and the stream was staying steady.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on October 24, 2016, 09:04:15 AM
Just voted on campus at UT-Austin! My anecdote is particularly useless since I can't compare it to a previous prez election here, but I think it looked decently, if not overwhelmingly, busy. For 8:30 am on day one, I would guess 25 other people were voting there at the same time as me, and the stream was staying steady.

battleground texas :)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Kushahontas on October 24, 2016, 10:09:55 AM
Just voted on campus at UT-Austin! My anecdote is particularly useless since I can't compare it to a previous prez election here, but I think it looked decently, if not overwhelmingly, busy. For 8:30 am on day one, I would guess 25 other people were voting there at the same time as me, and the stream was staying steady.

battleground texas :)

addt'l TX anecdote: voted this morning in NW San Antonio. Suburban polling site in whiter-than-average Dem-leaning neighborhood. 40 people in line. 30~ of them broke out into a "Trump" chant -- delusional. SAD!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 24, 2016, 10:39:27 AM
https://twitter.com/steveschale/status/790577926819442688

In first four hours of early voting in bellwether Hillsborough County, FL, Dems have a 49-35% lead in voters.  #enthusiasmgap

https://twitter.com/steveschale/status/790577513235881984

In conservative Duval County, FL, the GOP was +3,000 in VBM ballots over two weeks of voting.  In 4 hours of Early Vote, Dems are up 500.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 24, 2016, 10:42:13 AM
https://twitter.com/steveschale/status/790577926819442688

In first four hours of early voting in bellwether Hillsborough County, FL, Dems have a 49-35% lead in voters.  #enthusiasmgap

https://twitter.com/steveschale/status/790577513235881984

In conservative Duval County, FL, the GOP was +3,000 in VBM ballots over two weeks of voting.  In 4 hours of Early Vote, Dems are up 500.

If Duval is close the race is over in Florida and thus the nation.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: MasterJedi on October 24, 2016, 10:55:30 AM
A lot of the Republican areas in WI can start voting today finally. Will get in after work to get my Clinton/Feingold/Ryan vote in.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 24, 2016, 10:58:40 AM
Day 2 tallies up at...

"The Nevada Early Voting Blog"

http://www.ktnv.com/news/ralston/the-nevada-early-voting-blog

"Bottom line: After two days, the raw vote lead in urban Nevada for the Democrats is close to 21,000... It's a very blue wave so far, and Republicans have to be worried..."


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 24, 2016, 11:00:29 AM
A lot of the Republican areas in WI can start voting today finally. Will get in after work to get my Clinton/Feingold/Ryan vote in.

Bless your soul


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 24, 2016, 11:03:36 AM
Day 2 tallies up at...

"The Nevada Early Voting Blog"

http://www.ktnv.com/news/ralston/the-nevada-early-voting-blog

"Bottom line: After two days, the raw vote lead in urban Nevada for the Democrats is close to 21,000... It's a very blue wave so far, and Republicans have to be worried..."

Democrats in Nevada should get a referendum put on the ballot that moves the statewide races to Presidential years.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 24, 2016, 11:08:41 AM
A lot of the Republican areas in WI can start voting today finally. Will get in after work to get my Clinton/Feingold/Ryan vote in.

It would be good if WI tracks by party affiliation. At least it's safe to say Republicans will close the gap that Milwaukee and Dane built.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 24, 2016, 11:22:16 AM
Day 2 tallies up at...

"The Nevada Early Voting Blog"

http://www.ktnv.com/news/ralston/the-nevada-early-voting-blog

"Bottom line: After two days, the raw vote lead in urban Nevada for the Democrats is close to 21,000... It's a very blue wave so far, and Republicans have to be worried..."

Truly glorious.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 24, 2016, 11:26:38 AM
https://twitter.com/steveschale/status/790577926819442688

In first four hours of early voting in bellwether Hillsborough County, FL, Dems have a 49-35% lead in voters.  #enthusiasmgap

https://twitter.com/steveschale/status/790577513235881984

In conservative Duval County, FL, the GOP was +3,000 in VBM ballots over two weeks of voting.  In 4 hours of Early Vote, Dems are up 500.

If Duval is close the race is over in Florida and thus the nation.

True, but Duval seems particularly ripe for being misleading. Dems have the reg advantage there by 4 points, yet lost in 2012 by 13 points. They'd need to have a considerable voting edge/swing of indies to actually make it competitive, I think.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 24, 2016, 11:43:38 AM
Some info on GA:


()

"@ElectProject
I suspect that weekend county reports incomplete. That said, out of the 39K weekend votes, 39% from African-Americans."

https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/790593946611318784


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Holmes on October 24, 2016, 11:44:04 AM
A lot of the Republican areas in WI can start voting today finally. Will get in after work to get my Clinton/Feingold/Ryan vote in.

Interesting but understandable split.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: MasterJedi on October 24, 2016, 11:46:05 AM
A lot of the Republican areas in WI can start voting today finally. Will get in after work to get my Clinton/Feingold/Ryan vote in.

Interesting but understandable split.

Would love if there was a good Republican for Senate and President. After the last 6 years I regret my Johnson vote in 2010.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: MasterJedi on October 24, 2016, 11:50:35 AM
A lot of the Republican areas in WI can start voting today finally. Will get in after work to get my Clinton/Feingold/Ryan vote in.

It would be good if WI tracks by party affiliation. At least it's safe to say Republicans will close the gap that Milwaukee and Dane built.

I'm in Milwaukee County, the only reliable Dem areas are the city and Shorewood. So can't vote until today in most of the burbs. But Trump will get less percent of Republicans here or people are hiding their support. Lots of Johnson and Ryan signs here but not many Trump, they're all out in the country.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 24, 2016, 11:52:01 AM
A lot of the Republican areas in WI can start voting today finally. Will get in after work to get my Clinton/Feingold/Ryan vote in.

Interesting but understandable split.

Would love if there was a good Republican for Senate and President. After the last 6 years I regret my Johnson vote in 2010.

Johnson has been horrible. No doubt.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 24, 2016, 11:57:53 AM
Daily Kos Elections
‏@DKElections
NC early vote, per @PPPPolls:

2012: 57-42 Obama (Oct. 25: 30% had voted early)

2016: 63-37 Clinton (Oct 22: 19% have voted early)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 24, 2016, 12:00:04 PM
https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/790586145776148480

"Bottom line in NV after two days: Dems have an 18-pt lead in early voting. They only have a 6-pt lead in voter reg."


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 24, 2016, 12:00:47 PM
Daily Kos Elections
‏@DKElections
NC early vote, per @PPPPolls:

2012: 57-42 Obama (Oct. 25: 30% had voted early)

2016: 63-37 Clinton (Oct 22: 19% have voted early)

Nice. Seems to corroborate all the polls showing a consistent HRC lead.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 24, 2016, 01:18:25 PM
Gabriel Debenedetti ‏@gdebenedetti  2m2 minutes ago
Even more Team HRC cheering of early vote #s: they note there's been a *99%* increase in Latino voting in FL compared to this point in '12


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 24, 2016, 01:19:08 PM
Gabriel Debenedetti ‏@gdebenedetti  2m2 minutes ago
Even more Team HRC cheering of early vote #s: they note there's been a *99%* increase in Latino voting in FL compared to this point in '12

O_o!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 24, 2016, 01:20:24 PM
Gabriel Debenedetti ‏@gdebenedetti  32s33 seconds ago
And in Arizona, notes the Clinton camp, Democrats lead Republicans by ~1,000 ballots cast, compared to ~20,000 DEFICIT at this point in '12.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on October 24, 2016, 01:21:05 PM
Gabriel Debenedetti ‏@gdebenedetti  2m2 minutes ago
Even more Team HRC cheering of early vote #s: they note there's been a *99%* increase in Latino voting in FL compared to this point in '12

Are we sure this isn't a typo? I mean how could it be possible?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 24, 2016, 01:22:08 PM
Gabriel Debenedetti ‏@gdebenedetti  2m2 minutes ago
Even more Team HRC cheering of early vote #s: they note there's been a *99%* increase in Latino voting in FL compared to this point in '12

Are we sure this isn't a typo? I mean how could it be possible?

It doesn't surprise me to this end. Trump is just that toxic.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 24, 2016, 01:24:06 PM
https://projectnewamerica.com/sites/projectnewamerica.com/files/Arizona%20State%20of%20Play%20-%20EV%20Edition.pdf?nid=999

There are 709K registered Hispanics in Arizona, up 37%/192K from 517K in 2012


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 24, 2016, 01:26:50 PM
Gabriel Debenedetti ‏@gdebenedetti  2m2 minutes ago
Even more Team HRC cheering of early vote #s: they note there's been a *99%* increase in Latino voting in FL compared to this point in '12

Are we sure this isn't a typo? I mean how could it be possible?

https://twitter.com/gdebenedetti/status/784107933411991555
They have been broadcasting this for weeks. Ground game.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on October 24, 2016, 01:37:10 PM
Gabriel Debenedetti ‏@gdebenedetti  2m2 minutes ago
Even more Team HRC cheering of early vote #s: they note there's been a *99%* increase in Latino voting in FL compared to this point in '12

Are we sure this isn't a typo? I mean how could it be possible?

https://twitter.com/gdebenedetti/status/784107933411991555
They have been broadcasting this for weeks. Ground game.

I know that but for that number to be true it must mean that virtually zero Hispanics voted early in 2012.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 24, 2016, 01:37:30 PM
Mark Murray ‏@mmurraypolitics  3m3 minutes ago
Per NBC's data, more than 6.5M Americans have already voted in '16 election. Here's partisan breakdown by battleground state

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 24, 2016, 01:42:59 PM
Mark Murray ‏@mmurraypolitics  3m3 minutes ago
Per NBC's data, more than 6.5M Americans have already voted in '16 election. Here's partisan breakdown by battleground state

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Before anyone freaks out PA, they have a pretty strict excuse absentee policy. Compared to Virginia where potential disruptions in public transportation is a legitimate excuse.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 24, 2016, 01:44:41 PM
Gabriel Debenedetti ‏@gdebenedetti  2m2 minutes ago
Even more Team HRC cheering of early vote #s: they note there's been a *99%* increase in Latino voting in FL compared to this point in '12

Are we sure this isn't a typo? I mean how could it be possible?

It doesn't surprise me to this end. Trump is just that toxic.

Gabriel Debenedetti added that Joe Arpaio's reelection race could also be contributing to the excitement (Maricopa County).


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 24, 2016, 01:48:38 PM
Gabriel Debenedetti ‏@gdebenedetti  2m2 minutes ago
Even more Team HRC cheering of early vote #s: they note there's been a *99%* increase in Latino voting in FL compared to this point in '12

Are we sure this isn't a typo? I mean how could it be possible?

https://twitter.com/gdebenedetti/status/784107933411991555
They have been broadcasting this for weeks. Ground game.

I know that but for that number to be true it must mean that virtually zero Hispanics voted early in 2012.

Not really. Maybe 50k early voted before and now 100k have.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Person Man on October 24, 2016, 01:51:22 PM
How does this all compare to 2012?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 24, 2016, 01:51:48 PM
Gabriel Debenedetti ‏@gdebenedetti  32s33 seconds ago
And in Arizona, notes the Clinton camp, Democrats lead Republicans by ~1,000 ballots cast, compared to ~20,000 DEFICIT at this point in '12.

Wonderful.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on October 24, 2016, 02:03:45 PM
Gabriel Debenedetti ‏@gdebenedetti  2m2 minutes ago
Even more Team HRC cheering of early vote #s: they note there's been a *99%* increase in Latino voting in FL compared to this point in '12

Are we sure this isn't a typo? I mean how could it be possible?

https://twitter.com/gdebenedetti/status/784107933411991555
They have been broadcasting this for weeks. Ground game.

I know that but for that number to be true it must mean that virtually zero Hispanics voted early in 2012.

No.  Suppose 100 voted early in 2012.  If 199 voted early in 2016, that would be an increase of 99.  Divide this by the original number (100) and it's a 99% increase.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: IceSpear on October 24, 2016, 02:05:11 PM
So does it seem the early voting tea leaves are lining up with the polling, more or less? I know Dems are lagging in IA/OH and improving in NC/AZ.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 24, 2016, 02:08:46 PM
So does it seem the early voting tea leaves are lining up with the polling, more or less? I know Dems are lagging in IA/OH and improving in NC/AZ.

Yep, NC, NV, FL, etc. are looking great.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on October 24, 2016, 02:13:45 PM
Gabriel Debenedetti ‏@gdebenedetti  2m2 minutes ago
Even more Team HRC cheering of early vote #s: they note there's been a *99%* increase in Latino voting in FL compared to this point in '12

Are we sure this isn't a typo? I mean how could it be possible?

https://twitter.com/gdebenedetti/status/784107933411991555
They have been broadcasting this for weeks. Ground game.

I know that but for that number to be true it must mean that virtually zero Hispanics voted early in 2012.

No.  Suppose 100 voted early in 2012.  If 199 voted early in 2016, that would be an increase of 99.  Divide this by the original number (100) and it's a 99% increase.

Got it. Still, it's a startling number, especially considering that a few days ago California Democrats were delighted because the Latino early vote was up "only" 43%.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 24, 2016, 02:23:12 PM
Busy day for TX

https://twitter.com/JMilesKHOU/status/790601122343858176

"Harris Co Clerk: 9000-10000 people voting, on average, per hour right now on 1st early voting day"


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Maxwell on October 24, 2016, 02:27:33 PM
Mark Murray ‏@mmurraypolitics  3m3 minutes ago
Per NBC's data, more than 6.5M Americans have already voted in '16 election. Here's partisan breakdown by battleground state

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Before anyone freaks out PA, they have a pretty strict excuse absentee policy. Compared to Virginia where potential disruptions in public transportation is a legitimate excuse.

oh relax guys these are all TRUMP DEMS voting. We're still going to #MAGA folks!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 24, 2016, 02:33:00 PM
Gabriel Debenedetti ‏@gdebenedetti  2m2 minutes ago
Even more Team HRC cheering of early vote #s: they note there's been a *99%* increase in Latino voting in FL compared to this point in '12

Are we sure this isn't a typo? I mean how could it be possible?

https://twitter.com/gdebenedetti/status/784107933411991555
They have been broadcasting this for weeks. Ground game.

I know that but for that number to be true it must mean that virtually zero Hispanics voted early in 2012.

No.  Suppose 100 voted early in 2012.  If 199 voted early in 2016, that would be an increase of 99.  Divide this by the original number (100) and it's a 99% increase.

Got it. Still, it's a startling number, especially considering that a few days ago California Democrats were delighted because the Latino early vote was up "only" 43%.

That's not a swing state where resources are being poured though. Also, the 99% is not completely organic. I read there's a law if you voted in 2014, you could request to automatically get mail ballots in the future.

http://www.news-journalonline.com/news/20160929/voting-early-record-number-of-florida-voters-request-absentee-ballots

Quote
The 2016 improvement can't be wholly attributed to fresh Democratic enthusiasm. A change in Florida's laws meant that voters in 2014 who requested absentee ballots could automatically receive them this year.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: OneJ on October 24, 2016, 02:49:01 PM
Busy day for TX

https://twitter.com/JMilesKHOU/status/790601122343858176

"Harris Co Clerk: 9000-10000 people voting, on average, per hour right now on 1st early voting day"

Amazing!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Maxwell on October 24, 2016, 02:52:52 PM
Busy day for TX

https://twitter.com/JMilesKHOU/status/790601122343858176

"Harris Co Clerk: 9000-10000 people voting, on average, per hour right now on 1st early voting day"

Amazing!

that's terrifying news for The Donald - prior to this election Texas was noted for terrible voter turnout.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 24, 2016, 03:58:10 PM
https://twitter.com/steveschale?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

"And in Duval County, FL, which hasn't voted for Dem for POTUS since 1976, Dems have a 1K vote lead on day 1 of early voting."

"Day 1 EV so far is +13 Dem.  
All EV/VBM so far is +7 Dem -- but definitely growing.
Countywide reg overall is +7 Dem."


He's talking about Hillsborough^

"Low propensity voters make up about 27% of FL Dem VBM so far. GOP about 21%. Total about +30K. Dems are expanding contrary to GOP narrative."


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 24, 2016, 04:09:31 PM
https://twitter.com/steveschale?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

"And in Duval County, FL, which hasn't voted for Dem for POTUS since 1976, Dems have a 1K vote lead on day 1 of early voting."

"Day 1 EV so far is +13 Dem.  
All EV/VBM so far is +7 Dem -- but definitely growing.
Countywide reg overall is +7 Dem."


He's talking about Hillsborough^

"Low propensity voters make up about 27% of FL Dem VBM so far. GOP about 21%. Total about +30K. Dems are expanding contrary to GOP narrative."

Yeah, he has access to more data than we do, which makes sense as the head of Obama's Florida campaign in 2008.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 24, 2016, 04:21:14 PM
Iowa absentee ballot stats, 10/24

Ballots requested:

DEM: 201,034
GOP: 162,170
IND: 100,109
Other: 1,306

Ballots cast:

DEM: 134,487
GOP: 94,519
IND: 56,032
Other: 746

Iowa Dems are now 39K ahead on ballot requests, an improvement of 3500 over the weekend, and are up 40K in ballots cast, up about 1500 from last Friday. Clinton has a long way to go to reach a 50K lead but she is slowly getting out of trouble here


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on October 24, 2016, 04:26:12 PM
Busy day for TX

https://twitter.com/JMilesKHOU/status/790601122343858176

"Harris Co Clerk: 9000-10000 people voting, on average, per hour right now on 1st early voting day"

Amazing!

that's terrifying news for The Donald - prior to this election Texas was noted for terrible voter turnout.

Great news!

Harris county turnout and margins are key towards making this a close statewide race. I've been predicting a +10-15 Clinton margin in Harris for awhile, and with this level of turnout so far, it's not looking good for Da Donald down in Tejas.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 24, 2016, 04:30:36 PM
Busy day for TX

https://twitter.com/JMilesKHOU/status/790601122343858176

"Harris Co Clerk: 9000-10000 people voting, on average, per hour right now on 1st early voting day"

Amazing!

that's terrifying news for The Donald - prior to this election Texas was noted for terrible voter turnout.

Great news!

Harris county turnout and margins are key towards making this a close statewide race. I've been predicting a +10-15 Clinton margin in Harris for awhile, and with this level of turnout so far, it's not looking good for Da Donald down in Tejas.

That CBS News poll yesterday must have got around Texas political circles FAST! Maybe lots of infrequent or non voters with Dem sympathies believe their vote matters in a three point race


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 24, 2016, 04:40:29 PM
Ryan Struyk ‏@ryanstruyk
At least 6,950,184 votes have been cast in the presidential election so far, per new @AP data out just now.


That looks like more than 1.4 million votes today alone, unless AP was just behind on a batch.


Title: Republicans ahead in early voting in Florida
Post by: mencken on October 24, 2016, 04:58:33 PM
https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats

Republican 503,632   
Democrat 483,019   
Other 31,507   
NPA 188,191

What's the official party line as for why this is happening?


Title: Re: Republicans ahead in early voting in Florida
Post by: Gass3268 on October 24, 2016, 05:10:19 PM
https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats

Republican 503,632   
Democrat 483,019   
Other 31,507   
NPA 188,191

What's the official party line as for why this is happening?

That's only the mail ballots, and Republicans were further ahead than that in 2012.

Yeah, Republicans are like 3% points behind 2012.


Title: Re: Republicans ahead in early voting in Florida
Post by: IceSpear on October 24, 2016, 05:22:11 PM
https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats

Republican 503,632   
Democrat 483,019   
Other 31,507   
NPA 188,191

What's the official party line as for why this is happening?

Are you dense or something? It's all relative. That's like saying IA is solid D because they're ahead in raw early vote, even though they're underperforming 2012.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 24, 2016, 05:31:56 PM
Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports  18m18 minutes ago
Another big day of voting in Clark: 23,000 had turned out by 3 PM. 30,000 turned out on Day 3 in 2012. Will be close to that, I'd think.


Title: Re: Republicans ahead in early voting in Florida
Post by: mencken on October 24, 2016, 05:34:12 PM
https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats

Republican 503,632   
Democrat 483,019   
Other 31,507   
NPA 188,191

What's the official party line as for why this is happening?

Are you dense or something? It's all relative. That's like saying IA is solid D because they're ahead in raw early vote, even though they're underperforming 2012.

I was led to believe that this was an improvement from 2012 (http://www.politico.com/story/2012/11/early-voting-results-2012-083176).


Title: Re: Republicans ahead in early voting in Florida
Post by: dspNY on October 24, 2016, 05:37:05 PM
https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats

Republican 503,632   
Democrat 483,019   
Other 31,507   
NPA 188,191

What's the official party line as for why this is happening?

Are you dense or something? It's all relative. That's like saying IA is solid D because they're ahead in raw early vote, even though they're underperforming 2012.

I was led to believe that this was an improvement from 2012 (http://www.politico.com/story/2012/11/early-voting-results-2012-083176).

That Florida number includes all of the in-person early voting which leans Dem. Right now the vote by mail is virtually even when you account for ballot requests in addition to ballots cast


Title: Re: Republicans ahead in early voting in Florida
Post by: NOVA Green on October 24, 2016, 05:42:24 PM
https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats

Republican 503,632   
Democrat 483,019   
Other 31,507   
NPA 188,191

What's the official party line as for why this is happening?

The interesting item on the link you posted are actually the concentration of NPA not-yet-returned  numbers in counties that are swinging heavily towards Clinton this year (Miami-Dade, Tampa/St Pete, Orlando) heavily as a result of Latinos swinging hard against the Republican Pres nominee.

I haven't run the numbers on NPA in FL by county between '12 and '16, but it does appear that there are a lot of infrequent and/or first time voters that selected NPA in counties where Clinton will likely perform quite well in November.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 24, 2016, 05:45:51 PM
Georgia early vote demographics, 10/24

White: 61.3%
African-American: 28.9%
Hispanic: 1.0%
Other: 1.8%
Unknown: 6.9%

African-American numbers improved a little due to a Souls to the Polls push


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 24, 2016, 06:21:25 PM
Quote
Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports  1h1 hour ago
Another big day of voting in Clark: 23,000 had turned out by 3 PM. 30,000 turned out on Day 3 in 2012. Will be close to that, I'd think.


Title: Re: Republicans ahead in early voting in Florida
Post by: Smash255 on October 24, 2016, 06:35:15 PM
https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats

Republican 503,632   
Democrat 483,019   
Other 31,507   
NPA 188,191

What's the official party line as for why this is happening?

Are you dense or something? It's all relative. That's like saying IA is solid D because they're ahead in raw early vote, even though they're underperforming 2012.

I was led to believe that this was an improvement from 2012 (http://www.politico.com/story/2012/11/early-voting-results-2012-083176).


That also included early in person voting, which began today in most counties in Florida those #'s aren't out yet.  Early in person voting started slightly later in Florida in 2012, but the day early voting began the GOP had a 66k absentee lead in returned ballot (about 5%), this year it is 2%.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2012/10/with-16m-floridians-having-voted-dems-cut-gop-absentee-vote-lead-in-half-in-1st-early-vote-day.html


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Holmes on October 24, 2016, 06:39:50 PM
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Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports  1h1 hour ago
Another big day of voting in Clark: 23,000 had turned out by 3 PM. 30,000 turned out on Day 3 in 2012. Will be close to that, I'd think.

That's good. It's Monday. More people will vote after work.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 24, 2016, 06:57:26 PM
https://twitter.com/steveschale/status/790577926819442688

In first four hours of early voting in bellwether Hillsborough County, FL, Dems have a 49-35% lead in voters.  #enthusiasmgap

https://twitter.com/steveschale/status/790577513235881984

In conservative Duval County, FL, the GOP was +3,000 in VBM ballots over two weeks of voting.  In 4 hours of Early Vote, Dems are up 500.

Update on the above

"First day EV in bellwether Hillsborough County, FL: Dem win 49-34.  Increased total early vote lead by about 60%."

"In conservative Duval County, FL GOP had 3k vote lead in two weeks of VBM.  Dems cut it in half on day one of early vote: +1700 Dem today."


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 24, 2016, 07:12:29 PM
Wisconsin absentee ballot stats, 10/24

Dane and Milwaukee Counties have returned 73,233 of the 249,172 absentee ballots in Wisconsin, for 29.4% of the statewide total. These two counties contributed to 26% of the 2012 statewide total. These are the two big Dem counties.

Waukesha, Ozaukee and Washington Counties have returned 30,953 ballots, 12.4% of the 249,172 absentee ballots in Wisconsin. These three counties contributed to 12.3% of the 2012 statewide total. These are the three big GOP counties.

Dem big counties up 3.3%, GOP essentially flat


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: IceSpear on October 24, 2016, 07:21:38 PM
Wisconsin absentee ballot stats, 10/24

Dane and Milwaukee Counties have returned 73,233 of the 249,172 absentee ballots in Wisconsin, for 29.4% of the statewide total. These two counties contributed to 26% of the 2012 statewide total. These are the two big Dem counties.

Waukesha, Ozaukee and Washington Counties have returned 30,953 ballots, 12.4% of the 249,172 absentee ballots in Wisconsin. These three counties contributed to 12.3% of the 2012 statewide total. These are the three big GOP counties.

Dem big counties up 3.3%, GOP essentially flat

I'm surprised the WOW counties are flat, considering they're not exactly in love with Trump and 2012 had a favorite son on the ticket.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 24, 2016, 07:24:20 PM
Colorado mail ballot stats, 10/24

DEM: 48,167 (42.2%)
GOP: 36,825 (32.3%)
IND: 24,744 (24.1%)
Other: 1,676 (1.5%)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 24, 2016, 07:24:33 PM
Wisconsin absentee ballot stats, 10/24

Dane and Milwaukee Counties have returned 73,233 of the 249,172 absentee ballots in Wisconsin, for 29.4% of the statewide total. These two counties contributed to 26% of the 2012 statewide total. These are the two big Dem counties.

Waukesha, Ozaukee and Washington Counties have returned 30,953 ballots, 12.4% of the 249,172 absentee ballots in Wisconsin. These three counties contributed to 12.3% of the 2012 statewide total. These are the three big GOP counties.

Dem big counties up 3.3%, GOP essentially flat

I'm surprised the WOW counties are flat, considering they're not exactly in love with Trump and 2012 had a favorite son on the ticket.

Turnout is Wisconsin is always very good.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 24, 2016, 07:25:40 PM
Colorado mail ballot stats, 10/24

DEM: 48,167 (42.2%)
GOP: 36,825 (32.3%)
IND: 24,744 (24.1%)
Other: 1,676 (1.5%)

Michael McDonald said that Republicans typically lead, but this is the presidential election under new all mail-ballot + vote centers with same day reg law.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on October 24, 2016, 07:55:18 PM
Whoa, Democrats surging in VBM in NEBRASKA:

2016:

VBM Requests: D 30,910 46% R 23,408 35% I 11,881 18% Total 66,768

2012:

vs. 2012 Requests: D 26,019 118.8% R 23,560 99.4% I 10,070 118.0% Total 59,980 111.3%


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Doimper on October 24, 2016, 08:04:39 PM
Whoa, Democrats surging in VBM in NEBRASKA:

2016:

VBM Requests: D 30,910 46% R 23,408 35% I 11,881 18% Total 66,768

2012:

vs. 2012 Requests: D 26,019 118.8% R 23,560 99.4% I 10,070 118.0% Total 59,980 111.3%

Hello, NE-02


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Crumpets on October 24, 2016, 08:05:35 PM
I stand by my prediction that NE-2 will vote to the left of the nation as a whole.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 24, 2016, 08:05:53 PM
Whoa, Democrats surging in VBM in NEBRASKA:

2016:

VBM Requests: D 30,910 46% R 23,408 35% I 11,881 18% Total 66,768

2012:

vs. 2012 Requests: D 26,019 118.8% R 23,560 99.4% I 10,070 118.0% Total 59,980 111.3%

Hello, NE-02

If that holds up NE-01 could be reasonable.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 24, 2016, 08:09:39 PM
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CBSDFWVerified account
‏@CBSDFW
#EarlyVoting in Dallas County:
Today: 58,329 and counting
First day in 2012: 32,512
First day in 2008: 34,415


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Doimper on October 24, 2016, 08:13:07 PM
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CBSDFWVerified account
‏@CBSDFW
#EarlyVoting in Dallas County:
Today: 58,329 and counting
First day in 2012: 32,512
First day in 2008: 34,415

Holy sh**t


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 24, 2016, 08:21:44 PM
i know, NV starts getting boring, but...


Third straight day of 30,000-plus voters turning out for early voting in Clark County. 32,500 had voted by 6 PM. 30K voted on Day 3 in '12.
https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/790722043620630530?lang=de


how do you step up from titanium?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 24, 2016, 08:22:09 PM
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CBSDFWVerified account
‏@CBSDFW
#EarlyVoting in Dallas County:
Today: 58,329 and counting
First day in 2012: 32,512
First day in 2008: 34,415

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Dallas County went for Obama by 15-16 points even though he lost Texas by 11 and 16 points in his two campaigns


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 24, 2016, 08:24:28 PM
i know, NV starts getting boring, but...


Third straight day of 30,000-plus voters turning out for early voting in Clark County. 32,500 had voted by 6 PM. 30K voted on Day 3 in '12.
https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/790722043620630530?lang=de


how do you step up from titanium?

Carbon-Fiber


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 24, 2016, 08:27:46 PM
In early Utah turnout, a third more Democrats than expected have voted (http://www.sltrib.com/news/4502030-155/in-early-utah-turnout-twice-as?platform=hootsuite)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 24, 2016, 08:31:16 PM
As polls closed at 6 p.m., more than 63,000 people had turned out for the first day of early voting, shattering the previous record of 47,093 set on day one of early voting in 2012.
 (http://m.chron.com/houston/article/Early-voting-begins-with-long-lines-in-Harris-10160541.php)

Harris County, TX


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on October 24, 2016, 08:37:01 PM
Whoa, Democrats surging in VBM in NEBRASKA:

2016:

VBM Requests: D 30,910 46% R 23,408 35% I 11,881 18% Total 66,768

2012:

vs. 2012 Requests: D 26,019 118.8% R 23,560 99.4% I 10,070 118.0% Total 59,980 111.3%

Hello, NE-02

If that holds up NE-01 could be reasonable.

What's the PVI on NE-01?

I I know that 2010 redistricting in Nebraska and the unicameral legislature shifted some heavily Democratic regions of Metro Omaha into the 1st district, and additionally there is a huge college town in Lincoln that is heavily D.

Still skeptical on NE-02, let alone NE-01 so curious on your explanation for why the 1st CD might be in play....


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Devout Centrist on October 24, 2016, 08:37:13 PM
As polls closed at 6 p.m., more than 63,000 people had turned out for the first day of early voting, shattering the previous record of 47,093 set on day one of early voting in 2012.
 (http://m.chron.com/houston/article/Early-voting-begins-with-long-lines-in-Harris-10160541.php)

Harris County, TX
Jesus.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Smash255 on October 24, 2016, 08:40:16 PM
As polls closed at 6 p.m., more than 63,000 people had turned out for the first day of early voting, shattering the previous record of 47,093 set on day one of early voting in 2012.
 (http://m.chron.com/houston/article/Early-voting-begins-with-long-lines-in-Harris-10160541.php)

Harris County, TX
Jesus.

Travis might be interesting.....


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 24, 2016, 08:49:20 PM
Texas could be a sleeper state this year. As I read in a previous analysis, HRC doesn't need to flip any more Texas counties as much as she needs to make the current ones more D, and this is a tell tale sign of it.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 24, 2016, 08:55:14 PM
Texas could be a sleeper state this year. As I read in a previous analysis, HRC doesn't need to flip any more Texas counties as much as she needs to make the current ones more D, and this is a tell tale sign of it.

She needs to flip Fort Bend (Sugar Land, west of Metro Houston), Tarrant (Fort Worth), Williamson (Round Rock, Georgetown), and Nueces while running up her margins in the big Texas metros (Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Austin)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 24, 2016, 08:59:33 PM
http://www.wfaa.com/mb/news/politics/early-voting-opening-shatters-turnout-records-in-n-texas/340992867

On the first day of early voting,

"In Tarrant County, that number was more than 43,000.

"In Tarrant County, 30,133 voters went to the polls on the first day of early voting in 2012 and 28,757 went on the first day of early voting in 2008.

In Collin County, that number was more than 30,000.

In Collin County, 16,531 votes were cast on the first day of early voting in 2012 and 13,900 went on the first day of early voting in 2008."


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 24, 2016, 09:12:46 PM
Wow, the surge is real.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: LimoLiberal on October 24, 2016, 09:18:35 PM
Holy sh**t those Texas Numbers. Is there something we're missing here? Did they change their early vote system? The last 4 polls have shown Texas within 4 points, but I don't think most people have actually believed that. But if this holds up, who knows.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 24, 2016, 09:27:24 PM
32,732 showed up to vote on day one in Travis County (Austin) today. In 2012, it was 16,378, meaning that day one Travis County early voting is up 100%.


Today's #s: https://twitter.com/TXCapTonight/status/790735127194308608
2012's: http://www.austinchronicle.com/daily/news/2012-10-23/early-voting-results-day-one/



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 24, 2016, 09:27:28 PM
mcdonald regarding the dallas stuff:

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This is what happens when a state becomes a battleground, people start believing their vote matters
https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/790740761901867008


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on October 24, 2016, 09:29:22 PM
texas gonna be close


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 24, 2016, 09:37:31 PM
i guess there is a big enough pool of lazy conservative voters who would vote if the state is in "danger" of becoming blue (yaya, atlas-red :-P)....but it is going to be much closer than usual anyway.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Holmes on October 24, 2016, 09:40:32 PM
Democrats are banking so many votes already. If Republican turnout is depressed on election day like it is now during early voting, we'll see some crazy results.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 24, 2016, 09:52:46 PM
"@RalstonReports  3m3 minutes ago

Dems won early voting for third straight day in swing county Washoe by substantial margin."

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https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/790747032809943041


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Holmes on October 24, 2016, 09:56:26 PM
"@RalstonReports  3m3 minutes ago

Dems won early voting for third straight day in swing county Washoe by substantial margin."

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https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/790747032809943041

Pretty good. I'd expect more Democrats/Democratic-leaning voters to show up during weekends so it looks good for a Monday.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on October 24, 2016, 10:08:48 PM
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CBSDFWVerified account
‏@CBSDFW
#EarlyVoting in Dallas County:
Today: 58,329 and counting
First day in 2012: 32,512
First day in 2008: 34,415

Hot dawg!!!!

My obsession with metro Houston has blinded me to the hidden Democratic base within Dallas County.

If these turnout numbers continue to hold it looks like Asian/Latinos are voting in force, while Black and Anglo voters are running out standard turnout levels.

# BattlegroundTexas is actually starting to look real considering early numbers from Harris and Dallas counties....

Still curious about Travis and Bexar returns on the first day of early voting, and assuming that El Paso will deliver strongly late in the end game.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 24, 2016, 10:09:57 PM

Here ya are:

32,732 showed up to vote on day one in Travis County (Austin) today. In 2012, it was 16,378, meaning that day one Travis County early voting is up 100%.


Today's #s: https://twitter.com/TXCapTonight/status/790735127194308608
2012's: http://www.austinchronicle.com/daily/news/2012-10-23/early-voting-results-day-one/


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Holmes on October 24, 2016, 10:12:58 PM
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CBSDFWVerified account
‏@CBSDFW
#EarlyVoting in Dallas County:
Today: 58,329 and counting
First day in 2012: 32,512
First day in 2008: 34,415

Hot dawg!!!!

My obsession with metro Houston has blinded me to the hidden Democratic base within Dallas County.

If these turnout numbers continue to hold it looks like Asian/Latinos are voting in force, while Black and Anglo voters are running out standard turnout levels.

# BattlegroundTexas is actually starting to look real considering early numbers from Harris and Dallas counties....

Still curious about Travis and Bexar returns on the first day of early voting, and assuming that El Paso will deliver strongly late in the end game.

Bexar's up, but not as much as other metropolitan counties in the state.

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SAN ANTONIO — Some 35,431 people cast ballots on Monday, setting a Bexar County record for the first day of early voting in a presidential election.

The turnout Monday surpassed the county's previous record of 30,087 set in 2012, which topped the 29,119 votes in 2008 when President Barack Obama was first elected.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Early-voting-Bexar-County-record-10203591.php

And early voting in Travis has doubled per Speed of Sound's post.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Xing on October 24, 2016, 10:16:23 PM
Based on Ralston's Twitter, it seems he's pretty much calling NV for Clinton.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Holmes on October 24, 2016, 10:26:23 PM
Based on Ralston's Twitter, it seems he's pretty much calling NV for Clinton.

Yup. If things continue the way they are, Trump would need to win election day voting in the state by a 2:1 margin, maybe even more, to narrowly carry the state. Hillary will very likely get a double digit margin in the state.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on October 24, 2016, 10:36:01 PM
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CBSDFWVerified account
‏@CBSDFW
#EarlyVoting in Dallas County:
Today: 58,329 and counting
First day in 2012: 32,512
First day in 2008: 34,415

Hot dawg!!!!

My obsession with metro Houston has blinded me to the hidden Democratic base within Dallas County.

If these turnout numbers continue to hold it looks like Asian/Latinos are voting in force, while Black and Anglo voters are running out standard turnout levels.

# BattlegroundTexas is actually starting to look real considering early numbers from Harris and Dallas counties....

Still curious about Travis and Bexar returns on the first day of early voting, and assuming that El Paso will deliver strongly late in the end game.

Bexar's up, but not as much as other metropolitan counties in the state.

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SAN ANTONIO — Some 35,431 people cast ballots on Monday, setting a Bexar County record for the first day of early voting in a presidential election.

The turnout Monday surpassed the county's previous record of 30,087 set in 2012, which topped the 29,119 votes in 2008 when President Barack Obama was first elected.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Early-voting-Bexar-County-record-10203591.php

And early voting in Travis has doubled per Speed of Sound's post.

So how is EV looking in El Paso County?

There were less than 180k votes cast in 2012 total in a county with > 1 Million population.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 24, 2016, 10:36:11 PM
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"@steveschale

More strong EV numbers: Orange County, FL, Dems pretty much doubled up GOP on day one of EV.  +4400 votes. D/R/NPA: 53-27-20"

And

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Wow, Dade County Florida had 10,000 more in person early voters today than 2012.  That is almost insane.


https://twitter.com/steveschale/status/790758094598967296


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 24, 2016, 10:36:43 PM
Given NV margins and how TX is shaping up, it looks like AZ is almost certainly falling in HRC's column this year.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 24, 2016, 11:20:53 PM
We're now officially past the 7 million mark per http://www.electproject.org/early_2016


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Devout Centrist on October 24, 2016, 11:23:53 PM
We're now officially past the 7 million mark per http://www.electproject.org/early_2016
What was it in 2012?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 24, 2016, 11:30:27 PM
We're now officially past the 7 million mark per http://www.electproject.org/early_2016
What was it in 2012?

Not sure where to find that information. Anyone have an idea?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Holmes on October 24, 2016, 11:35:21 PM
Steve Schale really reveals his age when he refers to it as "Dade county".


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Doimper on October 25, 2016, 01:17:20 AM
What's up with decreased black turnout in NC?

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: JerryArkansas on October 25, 2016, 01:21:12 AM
What's up with decreased black turnout in NC?

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Polling places where African Americans are have been cut down by Republicans.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Doimper on October 25, 2016, 01:30:46 AM
What's up with decreased black turnout in NC?

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Polling places where African Americans are have been cut down by Republicans.
Oh, I should've guessed. What a disgrace.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Panda Express on October 25, 2016, 01:49:41 AM
For Colorado, we can't really compare to 2012. We can however, compare it to 2014 (not the best but better than nothing.)

16 days to Election Day 2016 v 2014. (2014 in parenthesis)

Democrats  48,030 (24,468)
Republicans  36,790 (36,830)
Independent 27,435 (17,191)

TOTAL 113,932 (79,355)

Democrats have increased by about 100%, Independents by 60% and Republicans by 0%

Total turnout up 44%


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 25, 2016, 02:24:07 AM
Final number for day 3 of early voting in Clark County is 34,599 (was 30,000 in 2012).


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 25, 2016, 03:41:36 AM
For Colorado, we can't really compare to 2012. We can however, compare it to 2014 (not the best but better than nothing.)

16 days to Election Day 2016 v 2014. (2014 in parenthesis)

Democrats  48,030 (24,468)
Republicans  36,790 (36,830)
Independent 27,435 (17,191)

TOTAL 113,932 (79,355)

Democrats have increased by about 100%, Independents by 60% and Republicans by 0%

Total turnout up 44%

That's only 4% of the expected vote in CO though.

Let's wait until Nov. 7 when 90% of the ballots are in (there are also some election day voters).


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 25, 2016, 03:44:19 AM
For Colorado, we can't really compare to 2012. We can however, compare it to 2014 (not the best but better than nothing.)

16 days to Election Day 2016 v 2014. (2014 in parenthesis)

Democrats  48,030 (24,468)
Republicans  36,790 (36,830)
Independent 27,435 (17,191)

TOTAL 113,932 (79,355)

Democrats have increased by about 100%, Independents by 60% and Republicans by 0%

Total turnout up 44%

That's only 4% of the expected vote in CO though.

Let's wait until Nov. 7 when 90% of the ballots are in (there are also some election day voters).

I mean why not wait until after the votes have been counted, just to be sure.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 25, 2016, 03:48:53 AM
it's a big data point regarding motivation imho.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 25, 2016, 04:31:00 AM
Tender you don't need to be a perpetual raincloud on this.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Panda Express on October 25, 2016, 04:32:53 AM
For Colorado, we can't really compare to 2012. We can however, compare it to 2014 (not the best but better than nothing.)

16 days to Election Day 2016 v 2014. (2014 in parenthesis)

Democrats  48,030 (24,468)
Republicans  36,790 (36,830)
Independent 27,435 (17,191)

TOTAL 113,932 (79,355)

Democrats have increased by about 100%, Independents by 60% and Republicans by 0%

Total turnout up 44%

That's only 4% of the expected vote in CO though.

Let's wait until Nov. 7 when 90% of the ballots are in (there are also some election day voters).

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: JerryArkansas on October 25, 2016, 05:13:26 AM
Tender you don't need to be a perpetual raincloud on this.
He has to be like this with Hillary.  Since she is a w(b)itch in his eyes.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 25, 2016, 06:23:04 AM
NC early voting (mail + in-person) stats as of 10/25:

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Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  4m4 minutes ago
NC Dem returns off 2012 levels by 7.6% (Due in part to Rep election officials shuttering polling places in Dem counties), Reps down 7.9%

Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  30s30 seconds ago
Polling places expand later this week. Will turning spigot on full produce flood or will dribble remain? Given numbers elsewhere, bet former


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: fldemfunds on October 25, 2016, 06:28:14 AM
Anecdotally, I know a few female ted Cruz supporters in Texas crossing over at the top of the ticket.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 25, 2016, 07:35:57 AM
Lol FOX is just blatantly misleading people in this article on early voting...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/25/early-voting-suggests-tight-race-in-key-states-despite-clinton-camp-boast.html


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 25, 2016, 07:47:47 AM
Obama's top Florida guy Steve Schale:

-Not all counties have reported yet (17 yet to report, most are small), but when all said and done, over 300,000 will have voted on day one.  Just to put into scale, 1.2 million voted by mail in the first two weeks.

-Democrats reduced the Republican advantage of 1.7% going into yesterday to around 0.5% after day one (still counties reporting, so this number will move around).

-Democrats won every county on I-4 in Florida on day one of early voting.

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Won Duval County by 1,700 votes.  Duval hasn't voted for a Democrat for President since Carter, and is one of those places where Trump really needs to run up the score.  Dems also won the day in Polk County, an I-4 county that also hasn't voted for a Democrat since Carter.

Won Volusia County by several hundred, again a place that Trump was hoping to build on the gains of Romney in 2012.

And in bellwether county Hillsborough, the only place in Florida to vote for Bush twice and Obama twice, Democrats won by almost 3,000 votes, or roughly 14 points (49-35).  By comparison, Democrats have a 7 point advantage in registration.

In fact, Democrats won every county along I-4, plus Pinellas -- including both Republican strongholds Polk and Seminole.  The total I-4 vote was 48-33D.  Seminole County hasn't voted Republican in a Presidential election since 1972.

Base turnout was also very encouraging:

In Orange County, Democrats won a robust day 53-27%

In Broward County, Democrats won a record day 63-20%

In Palm Beach, a county which improved for Romney in 2012, Dems won 53-27%

In Alachua, where the University of Florida is, it was 65-22% Dems.

And in Dade County, 10,000 more voters showed up on the first day of early voting than 2012.  Of the 35,000 who cast a ballot, Democrats won the day 53-27%.

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Over 28% of Democratic vote by mail returnees as of yesterday were either first time voters, or rare voters (voted in 1 of last 3), compared to 20% for Republicans.  Other way of looking at it: 80% of GOP vote by mail returns are from the most likely voters, compared to 72% of Democrats.  That is voter expansion.

http://steveschale.squarespace.com/blog/2016/10/25/early-voting-in-florida-day-one.html


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 25, 2016, 07:55:05 AM
obviously millions and millions of cross-voter trump voters.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: MasterJedi on October 25, 2016, 07:59:20 AM
Wisconsin absentee ballot stats, 10/24

Dane and Milwaukee Counties have returned 73,233 of the 249,172 absentee ballots in Wisconsin, for 29.4% of the statewide total. These two counties contributed to 26% of the 2012 statewide 249,172 absentee ballots in Wisconsin. These three counties contributed to 12.3% of the 2012 statewide total. These are the three big GOP counties.

Dem big counties up 3.3%, GOP essentially flattotal. These are the two big Dem counties.

Waukesha, Ozaukee and Washington Counties have returned 30,953 ballots, 12.4% of the

I would imagine that for Milwaukee County that almost all of that is from the city as well. I know the city has been voting for a month now and most of the burbs just recently started in-county.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 25, 2016, 08:33:52 AM
Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports  4m4 minutes ago
Democrats added 5,000 votes to their lead in Clark County on Monday. It's now more than 23,500 raw votes. Statewide: 22K. On par with 2012.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Virginiá on October 25, 2016, 08:37:41 AM
What's up with decreased black turnout in NC?

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Polling places where African Americans are have been cut down by Republicans.
Oh, I should've guessed. What a disgrace.

Yes, they really did a number in some areas. Guilford County (where Greensboro is) only has 1 early voting site for the entire county. Mecklenburg was cut, Forsyth has just 1 site iirc, and a number of other counties were cut. Also, I think some areas with high African American population were hit with bad flooding not long ago, right?

Anyway, these insane cuts to early voting were only for the first 7 days of early voting. Lots more sites (probably still down from 2012 tho) will open for the last 10 days. This was due to the GOP trying to find a way around the 4th circuit ordering them restore 7 days of early voting.

If early voting is truly the cause, then we should see turnout for AA spike in the last 10 days. If other high-AA pop. counties that weren't cut to the bone have high African American turnout, then I imagine that early voting is definitely the issue.

If Cooper wins, I'd expect him to flood the state with early voting sites for 2018 & 2020 since the Governor's party controls the state/local election boards. GOP won't be able to pull this crap next time.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Confused Democrat on October 25, 2016, 09:01:08 AM
Early voting is looking pretty bad for Republicans in FL so far.

http://steveschale.squarespace.com/blog/2016/10/25/early-voting-in-florida-day-one.html (http://steveschale.squarespace.com/blog/2016/10/25/early-voting-in-florida-day-one.html)

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In total, Democrats reduced the Republican advantage of 1.7% going into yesterday to around 0.5% after day one (still counties reporting, so this number will move around).

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Democrats won every county along I-4, plus Pinellas -- including both Republican strongholds Polk and Seminole.  The total I-4 vote was 48-33D.  Seminole County hasn't voted Republican in a Presidential election since 1972.

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Base turnout was also very encouraging.

In Orange County, Democrats won a robust day 53-27%

In Broward County, Democrats won a record day 63-20%

In Palm Beach, a county which improved for Romney in 2012, Dems won 53-27%

In Alachua, where the University of Florida is, it was 65-22% Dems.

And in Dade County, 10,000 more voters showed up on the first day of early voting than 2012.  Of the 35,000 who cast a ballot, Democrats won the day 53-27%.

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Over 28% of Democratic vote by mail returnees as of yesterday were either first time voters, or rare voters (voted in 1 of last 3), compared to 20% for Republicans.  Other way of looking at it: 80% of GOP vote by mail returns are from the most likely voters, compared to 72% of Democrats.  That is voter expansion.



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: OneJ on October 25, 2016, 09:15:35 AM
What's up with decreased black turnout in NC?

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Also, there was a report on either NBC or something like that explaining that Hurricane Matthew is to blame. A black woman explained that voting was not her priority but finding a place to live is #1.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: PresidentTRUMP on October 25, 2016, 09:30:12 AM
What's up with decreased black turnout in NC?

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Also, there was a report on either NBC or something like that explaining that Hurricane Matthew is to blame. A black woman explained that voting was not her priority but finding a place to live is #1.

hmmmm or maybe, just maybe its that Obama isn't on the top of the ticket this year and Hillary Clinton is.....nah that couldn't be the reason, doesn't make sense.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Confused Democrat on October 25, 2016, 09:36:08 AM
What's up with decreased black turnout in NC?

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Also, there was a report on either NBC or something like that explaining that Hurricane Matthew is to blame. A black woman explained that voting was not her priority but finding a place to live is #1.

hmmmm or maybe, just maybe its that Obama isn't on the top of the ticket this year and Hillary Clinton is.....nah that couldn't be the reason, doesn't make sense.

The reduced polling sites and hurricane Matthew make more sense than whatever you're implying here.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ag on October 25, 2016, 09:36:09 AM
obviously millions and millions of cross-voter trump voters.
I wouldn't be flippant about that.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: JerryArkansas on October 25, 2016, 09:37:39 AM
What's up with decreased black turnout in NC?

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Also, there was a report on either NBC or something like that explaining that Hurricane Matthew is to blame. A black woman explained that voting was not her priority but finding a place to live is #1.

hmmmm or maybe, just maybe its that Obama isn't on the top of the ticket this year and Hillary Clinton is.....nah that couldn't be the reason, doesn't make sense.
Oh honey stop trying to excuse racism, it isn't a good look on anyone.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: OneJ on October 25, 2016, 09:37:54 AM
What's up with decreased black turnout in NC?

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Also, there was a report on either NBC or something like that explaining that Hurricane Matthew is to blame. A black woman explained that voting was not her priority but finding a place to live is #1.

hmmmm or maybe, just maybe its that Obama isn't on the top of the ticket this year and Hillary Clinton is.....nah that couldn't be the reason, doesn't make sense.
I see jealousy. That black woman will vote (not for the pumpkin), but she is overcoming issues.

But anyways, black voters already came home to Hillary so your argument is irrelevant. From now on, get your life together.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 25, 2016, 09:45:49 AM
i don't know why but afro-americans have been some of hillary's biggest fans early this cycle.....so i won't worry about that.

hispanics are a much harder lift usually.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 25, 2016, 09:55:01 AM
which dat points would lead to that assumption? north carolina wouldn't be a good talking point.

otherwise...this year all "races" seem to surge.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Mehmentum on October 25, 2016, 10:32:31 AM
I'm not particularly worried about the decline of African American turnout in NC.  Siena and PPP both show Clinton with a 25 point lead with people who've already voted, a 10 point improvement over what polls found in 2012 for early voters.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Mike88 on October 25, 2016, 10:56:08 AM
8,285,978 voters have already mail in or cast a ballot! :D



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 25, 2016, 11:09:54 AM
More from Steve Schale:

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Steve Schale ‏@steveschale  24m
24 minutes ago
 
Here is a nice stat for you from Florida: Roughly 44% of Dem and NPA Hispanics who voted early yesterday are "unlikely" voters.

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Steve Schale ‏@steveschale  11m
11 minutes ago
 
Few counties updated. GOP advantage in FL in total ABS/EV down to 7k votes. In 2008, it took us a full week of EV to take lead.

My guess is if the numbers are similar today as they were yesterday, Democrats could take the lead today.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: OneJ on October 25, 2016, 11:12:29 AM
Utah Early Voting

"In early Utah turnout, a third more Democrats than expected have voted."

"About a third more Utah Democrats have voted so far than normally would be expected in early turnout for by-mail voting — while fewer-than-predicted Republicans are casting ballots."

"Through Monday afternoon, he noted that about 82,000 Utahns have cast ballots in the 21 of 29 counties now conducting the election by mail. More than 67,000 of those votes have come in Salt Lake County."

"And 42 percent of Salt Lake County voters are Republicans, but they have cast 36 percent of the vote."

Link for full article: http://www.sltrib.com/news/4502030-155/in-early-utah-turnout-twice-as

#BattlegroundUtah


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 25, 2016, 11:23:08 AM
Utah Early Voting

"In early Utah turnout, a third more Democrats than expected have voted."

"About a third more Utah Democrats have voted so far than normally would be expected in early turnout for by-mail voting — while fewer-than-predicted Republicans are casting ballots."

"Through Monday afternoon, he noted that about 82,000 Utahns have cast ballots in the 21 of 29 counties now conducting the election by mail. More than 67,000 of those votes have come in Salt Lake County."

"And 42 percent of Salt Lake County voters are Republicans, but they have cast 36 percent of the vote."

Link for full article: http://www.sltrib.com/news/4502030-155/in-early-utah-turnout-twice-as

#BattlegroundUtah

Could HRC really pick it up!?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on October 25, 2016, 11:32:24 AM
Meh, I'm sure a big factor in Utah is Mormon Republicans holding on to their ballot to decide if they should vote for McMuffin or Trump.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on October 25, 2016, 11:41:56 AM
Tweetstorm from Colorado.

@CraigHughesinCO 

Mini tweetstorm on early Colorado returns. Numbers are staggering. D's now +8.2% of 290,000 so this is not small sample size 1/5 #copolitics

15% of those who have voted so far in CO have NO vote history. That is a huge number for this early.  2/5

At this point in 2012 there was a 6% R advantage, so this is a 14% swing right now. And consistent across all demographics 3/5

There is no one reason i.e. Denver reporting quicker than El Paso or Douglas.  The county numbers are in line historically 4/5

Fully expect R surge but right now clear that R's are holding their ballots...and there is no GOP presidential field. 5/5


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: SUSAN CRUSHBONE on October 25, 2016, 11:47:41 AM
Utah Early Voting

"In early Utah turnout, a third more Democrats than expected have voted."

"About a third more Utah Democrats have voted so far than normally would be expected in early turnout for by-mail voting — while fewer-than-predicted Republicans are casting ballots."

"Through Monday afternoon, he noted that about 82,000 Utahns have cast ballots in the 21 of 29 counties now conducting the election by mail. More than 67,000 of those votes have come in Salt Lake County."

"And 42 percent of Salt Lake County voters are Republicans, but they have cast 36 percent of the vote."

Link for full article: http://www.sltrib.com/news/4502030-155/in-early-utah-turnout-twice-as

#BattlegroundUtah
unfortunately this won't be nearly enough to put snow over the top :'(


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: MasterJedi on October 25, 2016, 11:57:22 AM
Green Bay City Clerk Wanted to Block Early Voting at UW-GB Because She Thought it Would Favor Dems[\url] (http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/10/25/clerk-wanted-block-early-voting-students/92719232/)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Person Man on October 25, 2016, 12:01:02 PM
Green Bay City Clerk Wanted to Block Early Voting at UW-GB Because She Thought it Would Favor Dems[\url]
 (http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/10/25/clerk-wanted-block-early-voting-students/92719232/)
Well, there are people trying to rig the election. But its not dead minorities committing fraud...


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 25, 2016, 12:02:25 PM
https://twitter.com/tbonier/status/790734852152778753

"6.35% of absentee ballots cast in FL coming from millennials. 50% are Dem, 31% are GOP."

https://twitter.com/tbonier/status/790733440060710912

"Enthusiasm gap in FL? 1.2MM absentee votes cast thus far- 12.2% of Dem AV voting in their first general election, compared to 9.4% of GOP AV"


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 25, 2016, 12:04:54 PM
My friend and his family (who moved to FL a year ago) received their mail-in ballots today, and they're sending them in as we speak, full D ballots.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on October 25, 2016, 12:09:38 PM
Green Bay City Clerk Wanted to Block Early Voting at UW-GB Because She Thought it Would Favor Dems[\url]
 (http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/10/25/clerk-wanted-block-early-voting-students/92719232/)
Good thing transparency champion and alleged rapist Assange is too busy publishing risotto recipes to expose actual corruption and illegal activity like this.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 25, 2016, 12:12:01 PM
https://twitter.com/tbonier/status/790876709709053956

"Still not sure why media is reporting OH early vote as favoring Trump. Seeing an 11% modeled party D advantage. 7% are first time voters."

"That's ballot request data though, ballots automatically went out to '12/'14 voters. Return data better, still lagging in Cle/Col...........

"Well, in Cuyahoga and Franklin Counties, yes. But seeing uptick in smaller Dem counties (Mahoning, Trumbull, Athens)."


OH curtailed early voting days by 7 days but they also sent out AB mails automatically to 2012/2014 voters? Can any Ohioan confirm this?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 25, 2016, 12:17:05 PM
Michael McDonald
‏@ElectProject
Texas early voting (mail and in-person): 575,941 yesterday, up 52% from 2012 at same day
http://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/earlyvoting/index.shtml


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: PresidentTRUMP on October 25, 2016, 12:17:53 PM
Call me crazy as i know this forum will obviously....but if first time voters is WAY up regardless of what party they may have registered with, I would be very very happy to hear that if i were trump.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 25, 2016, 12:18:43 PM
Call me crazy as i know this forum will obviously....but if first time voters is WAY up regardless of what party they may have registered with, I would be very very happy to hear that if i were trump.

lol


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ronnie on October 25, 2016, 12:22:08 PM
Call me crazy as i know this forum will obviously....but if first time voters is WAY up regardless of what party they may have registered with, I would be very very happy to hear that if i were trump.

...What?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 25, 2016, 12:23:18 PM
Call me crazy as i know this forum will obviously....but if first time voters is WAY up regardless of what party they may have registered with, I would be very very happy to hear that if i were trump.

...What?

He thinks first-time D voters are coming out for Trump just as much as first-time R voters.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: PresidentTRUMP on October 25, 2016, 12:24:31 PM
Yes, first time voters regardless if they registered D or R 20 or more years ago is a strong PLUS for Trump. These people who didn't turn out for Obama are def. the ones who are interested in voting for the first time ever for Hillary. I'll say it again regardless of which party they registered with 20+ years ago, if first time voters is up, that is a good thing for Trump, just as we saw during the primaries.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: MasterJedi on October 25, 2016, 12:26:47 PM
Yes, first time voters regardless if they registered D or R 20 or more years ago is a strong PLUS for Trump. These people who didn't turn out for Obama are def. the ones who are interested in voting for the first time ever for Hillary. I'll say it again regardless of which party they registered with 20+ years ago, if first time voters is up, that is a good thing for Trump, just as we saw during the primaries.

Yes, except these are first time voters, meaning they're registering as a Democrat or a Republican this year for the first time and voting. Clear Clinton advantage.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: PresidentTRUMP on October 25, 2016, 12:31:48 PM
Yes, first time voters regardless if they registered D or R 20 or more years ago is a strong PLUS for Trump. These people who didn't turn out for Obama are def. the ones who are interested in voting for the first time ever for Hillary. I'll say it again regardless of which party they registered with 20+ years ago, if first time voters is up, that is a good thing for Trump, just as we saw during the primaries.

Yes, except these are first time voters, meaning they're registering as a Democrat or a Republican this year for the first time and voting. Clear Clinton advantage.

Oh well, if its new voters just eligible to vote that are being considered new voters than yes without question HUGE advantage Clinton, elections over.

If its eligible voters for over 20+ years that are voting for the first time but check if they are a D or R when they vote i still say advantage Trump. Trump isn't a "republican" in most peoples eyes, hes more of an independent that the left calls crazy and the people who like him call the change needed desperately in Washington.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 25, 2016, 12:32:59 PM
   

    Total number of ballots cast in all reporting jurisdictions: 9,436,782 or 20.4% of the 2012 early vote.
     



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 25, 2016, 12:34:01 PM
Yes, first time voters regardless if they registered D or R 20 or more years ago is a strong PLUS for Trump. These people who didn't turn out for Obama are def. the ones who are interested in voting for the first time ever for Hillary. I'll say it again regardless of which party they registered with 20+ years ago, if first time voters is up, that is a good thing for Trump, just as we saw during the primaries.

Yes, except these are first time voters, meaning they're registering as a Democrat or a Republican this year for the first time and voting. Clear Clinton advantage.

Oh well, if its new voters just eligible to vote that are being considered new voters than yes without question HUGE advantage Clinton, elections over.

If its eligible voters for over 20+ years that are voting for the first time but check if they are a D or R when they vote i still say advantage Trump. Trump isn't a "republican" in most peoples eyes, hes more of an independent that the left calls crazy and the people who like him call the change needed desperately in Washington.

He's absolutely viewed as a Republican and, moreover, Independents view him as a bad one.

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Smeulders on October 25, 2016, 01:12:56 PM
Crossover from the new polls thread, Monmouth polled Arizona and came back with the following result.

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Clinton has a sizable 52% to 42% edge among voters who report having already submitted their ballots during the state's early voting period, while Trump leads by 49% to 41% among those who have yet to vote.  Currently, 4-in-10 of those polled say they have already voted.  Observers expect more than half of all Arizona voters will cast their ballots prior to November 8th.

So even though there doesn't seem to be a party breakdown of the early vote in Arizona, this doesn't look bad for Clinton.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 25, 2016, 01:15:21 PM
OMG Texas :o :o :o

i want to believe


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 25, 2016, 01:30:19 PM
Yes, first time voters regardless if they registered D or R 20 or more years ago is a strong PLUS for Trump. These people who didn't turn out for Obama are def. the ones who are interested in voting for the first time ever for Hillary. I'll say it again regardless of which party they registered with 20+ years ago, if first time voters is up, that is a good thing for Trump, just as we saw during the primaries.

That's not what the early vote polling questions out of the NC, AZ and NBC/WSJ poll are saying

In NC, PPP found that Clinton is winning the early vote 63/37
In AZ, Monmouth found that Clinton has a 10 point lead in ballots already cast
In the NBC/WSJ poll, the Obama approval rating for voters who cast a ballot early was in the mid-60s


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 25, 2016, 01:55:50 PM
Sorry if anyone posted this already but here is the summary of 1st day in TX.

https://twitter.com/PatrickSvitek/status/790772883450568704

"My back of the napkin: Early voting up by average of 57% today in Texas' five biggest counties compared to first early voting day in 2012"

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Baki on October 25, 2016, 02:39:48 PM
That's a very nice looking graph.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: MasterJedi on October 25, 2016, 02:47:50 PM
I saw someone I know liked a page where Trey Gowdy is trying to peddle that thousands of dead people have voted for Clinton in Florida and thousands more are every day from the Christian times. People are eating it up -_-


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 25, 2016, 03:08:49 PM
Texas had nearly 8 million votes cast in 2012.  A ~50% increase in turnout would bring that to 12 million.  To bridge a 1.25 million gap Democrats would need be to winning ~67% of those new 4 million voters.

Is it possible?  Maybe, but they really will need to have more R->D converts from the original 8 million to help make it possible most likely.
Or a collapse in GOP turnout.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 25, 2016, 03:27:56 PM
Per Steve Schale,

"More Democrats have voted in Broward County today (+12,000) than Republicans have voted in Indian River over two weeks (7,500)."

"Already 20,000 more people in Broward County, FL have in person early voted today.  Roughly 3:1 Democratic so far."


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: PresidentTRUMP on October 25, 2016, 03:32:18 PM
Per Steve Schale,

"More Democrats have voted in Broward County today (+12,000) than Republicans have voted in Indian River over two weeks (7,500)."

"Already 20,000 more people in Broward County, FL have in person early voted today.  Roughly 3:1 Democratic so far."

So Florida based on this is Clintons and the election is over if the numbers are accurate.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 25, 2016, 03:38:11 PM
The common speculation so far has been that Trump is both a Democratic turnout machine and a Republican suppressor. These results, so far, appear to be in line with such observations.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 25, 2016, 03:56:20 PM
Per Steve Schale,

"More Democrats have voted in Broward County today (+12,000) than Republicans have voted in Indian River over two weeks (7,500)."

"Already 20,000 more people in Broward County, FL have in person early voted today.  Roughly 3:1 Democratic so far."

So Florida based on this is Clintons and the election is over if the numbers are accurate.

Correctamundo.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Chaddyr23 on October 25, 2016, 03:59:34 PM
Per Steve Schale,

"More Democrats have voted in Broward County today (+12,000) than Republicans have voted in Indian River over two weeks (7,500)."

"Already 20,000 more people in Broward County, FL have in person early voted today.  Roughly 3:1 Democratic so far."

In fairness Broward County is 18x bigger than Indian River. That being said Clinton should run up 60%+ margins here and in Miami-Dade. Highly curious what the breakdown in Indian River is, 1) Murphy represents the counties immediately to the south of Indian River 2) very traditional Republican area, Romney won by 22 while McCain won by 14 in the county


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 25, 2016, 04:44:38 PM
Iowa absentee ballot stats, 10/25

Ballots requested:

DEM: 211,222
GOP: 168,766
IND: 105,952
Other: 1,420

Ballots cast:

DEM: 144,690
GOP: 103,595
IND: 61,880
Other: 842

Dems now ahead by 42.5K in ballot requests and 41K in votes cast. If that lead stretches back to 50K I think Iowa stays blue


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 25, 2016, 04:46:00 PM
Yeah the doom and gloom seems to be lifting in Iowa, much as it did in Maine.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 25, 2016, 04:47:17 PM
Yeah the doom and gloom seems to be lifting in Iowa, much as it did in Maine.

Mook and company planned their absentee ballot push a bit later this time


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 25, 2016, 04:48:15 PM
So the conventional wisdom seemed to be that early vote was good for Trump in IA and OH, and great for Clinton everywhere else. Now it seems the reasoning on Ohio is conflicted depending on who you talk to, and the Iowa advantage is slipping away.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 25, 2016, 04:48:48 PM
So the conventional wisdom seemed to be that early vote was good for Trump in IA and OH, and great for Clinton everywhere else. Now it seems the reasoning on Ohio is conflicted depending on who you talk to, and the Iowa advantage is slipping away.
Apparently the models of the early vote in Ohio are pretty good for the Democrats.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 25, 2016, 04:52:37 PM
So the conventional wisdom seemed to be that early vote was good for Trump in IA and OH, and great for Clinton everywhere else. Now it seems the reasoning on Ohio is conflicted depending on who you talk to, and the Iowa advantage is slipping away.

HRC added a Des Moines rally to her Friday Iowa visit, originally supposed to be one stop in Cedar Rapids


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Virginiá on October 25, 2016, 05:23:52 PM
https://www.texascivilrightsproject.org/en/2016/10/25/release-early-voters-see-problems-with-photo-id-intimidation/

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Austin, TX — With early voting in full swing and many counties reporting record breaking voter turnout, Election Protection volunteers are also fielding voter questions and concerns about polling locations across Texas. In the past two days, over 200 calls and email reports have been made to the Election Protection hotline and partners about inaccurate voter ID information at early voting locations across the state; long lines, machine malfunctions and reports of intimidation.

Considering the ruling requiring Texas to allow those without IDs to vote after signing an affidavit has been known for months now, there is really no excuse here. Knowing Texas, I'm inclined to think they pulled something similar to what Wisconsin did the past 3~ months, where they are given a court order to make changes and then instead of doing the necessary retraining, they only send out a few memos here and there knowing full well that many mistakes will be made and many workers will inevitably think they are still requiring photo ID.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: #TheShadowyAbyss on October 25, 2016, 05:25:52 PM
Saw a lot of I Voted Early stickers at my work today looked mostly older whites and younger blacks obviously not a sign of what's going on.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Mehmentum on October 25, 2016, 05:34:29 PM
The common speculation so far has been that Trump is both a Democratic turnout machine and a Republican suppressor. These results, so far, appear to be in line with such observations.
In conjunction with a superb ground game by the Democrats and a dumpster fire ground game by the Republicans.  Its a perfect storm.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Adam Griffin on October 25, 2016, 06:04:44 PM
It's one thing to take at face value the data in states that show partisan affiliation, massive numbers of newly-registered Democrats and unlikely Democrats voting, but in states where we don't have that specific data yet, I'd be cautious about celebrating higher early vote totals compared to four years ago. Between every two comparable election cycles over the past 10+ years, early vote totals have tended to increase, but it's just mainly Election Day vote being cannibalized.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 25, 2016, 06:11:08 PM
It's one thing to take at face value the data in states that show partisan affiliation, massive numbers of newly-registered Democrats and unlikely Democrats voting, but in states where we don't have that specific data yet, I'd be cautious about celebrating higher early vote totals compared to four years ago. Between every two comparable election cycles over the past 10+ years, early vote totals have tended to increase, but it's just mainly Election Day vote being cannibalized.

In Florida's case, Steve Schale says

"Finally, with the help of a friend yesterday, I looked into the question of whether Democrats were simply "canibalizing" their traditional vote by encouraging its traditional voters to vote early in person and by mail.

Two points: First, even if that's all they did, Clinton would almost surely win Florida. Republicans need to expand the electorate to win.

But, that isn't what is happening. Over 28% of Democratic vote by mail returnees as of yesterday were either first time voters, or rare voters (voted in 1 of last 3), compared to 20% for Republicans. Other way of looking at it: 80% of GOP vote by mail returns are from the most likely voters, compared to 72% of Democrats. That is voter expansion."


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 25, 2016, 06:17:58 PM
http://www.insight-us.org/blog/north-carolinas-early-voting-2016-dashboard/

North Carolina

With 385,000 ballots now cast, turnout remains below 2012’s pace, but not by much (95% of 2012’s rate for the corresponding period). That’s a very substantial change from the 81% we reported on October 20th, just before Early Voting began.

Turnout is down not surprisingly in 28 counties that have restricted early voting, but in normal counties, it's up across all parties, especially unaffiliateds.

()

A warning sign for Clinton, black turnout is 75% of what it was in 2012, compared to 102% among whites. It does mention that this Sunday's souls to the polls could alleviate that.

()
Not seeing why Clinton should be concerned if Democrats are doing much better than 2012 (compared to GOP) with a whiter electorate. I suppose we will see how souls to the polls impacts African American turnout.

http://www.insight-us.org/blog/north-carolinas-early-voting-2016-dashboard/

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Last Sunday’s traditional ‘souls to the polls’ effort appears to have done little to improve African Americans’ numbers this year. Only 7,159 blacks voted last Sunday – just 64% of the comparable Sunday in 2012.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 25, 2016, 06:20:36 PM
http://www.insight-us.org/blog/north-carolinas-early-voting-2016-dashboard/

Overall story is that the GOP is picking up fast.

The Black vote is now 77% vs the comparable period (75% last update). Whites are now 108% (was 102%).

()


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 25, 2016, 06:22:05 PM
http://www.insight-us.org/blog/north-carolinas-early-voting-2016-dashboard/

Overall story is that the GOP is picking up fast.

The Black vote is now 77% vs the comparable period (75% last update). Whites are now 108% (was 102%).

()

We'll see how this weekend goes.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 25, 2016, 06:27:08 PM
yeah...not nearly enough stations.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 25, 2016, 06:32:03 PM
Even when isolated to where sites weren't reduced, Blacks are 91% of where they were, whites 128%.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 25, 2016, 06:35:40 PM
Even when isolated to where sites weren't reduced, Blacks are 91% of where they were, whites 128%.

Again... we'll just have to WAIT. AND. SEE. It's not a nice number, but not worth panicking over just yet.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 25, 2016, 06:38:16 PM
http://www.insight-us.org/blog/north-carolinas-early-voting-2016-dashboard/

Overall story is that the GOP is picking up fast.

The Black vote is now 77% vs the comparable period (75% last update). Whites are now 108% (was 102%).

()

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If you look at this image, Democrats are somewhat behind their 2012 pace but nothing terrifying considering the restricted locations. Black votes will probably pick up the pace eventually with more open locations.

The higher share of whites isn't as bad of news for Hillary as one might think, since she will earn higher share of educated whites this year than Obama.

Also unaffiliated #'s are higher this year than in 2012. Many unaffiliated are youngsters that are voting for Hillary.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 25, 2016, 06:40:43 PM
http://www.insight-us.org/blog/north-carolinas-early-voting-2016-dashboard/

Overall story is that the GOP is picking up fast.

The Black vote is now 77% vs the comparable period (75% last update). Whites are now 108% (was 102%).

()

()

If you look at this image, Democrats are somewhat behind their 2012 pace but nothing terrifying considering the restricted locations. Black votes will probably pick up the pace eventually with more open locations.

The higher share of whites isn't as bad of news for Hillary as one might think, since she will earn higher share of educated whites this year than Obama.

Also unaffiliated #'s are higher this year than in 2012. Many unaffiliated are youngsters that are voting for Hillary.

Yes. That's the key.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Mehmentum on October 25, 2016, 06:41:00 PM
Also, keep in mind that we have two polls that show Clinton winning early voters in NC by 10 points more than she did in 2012.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 25, 2016, 06:42:45 PM
Even when isolated to where sites weren't reduced, Blacks are 91% of where they were, whites 128%.

91% isn't too bad. Obama would naturally do better among black voters.

Also, as I said above, 128% whites don't mean too much to me. Using the theory that educated whites are the most likely to vote, it could also mean that educated whites are NeverTrump-ers voting out in droves.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on October 25, 2016, 06:49:44 PM
Dave Wasserman (https://twitter.com/Redistrict) tweets:

Quote
Smallest TX early voting increases vs. '12 so far:

1. Fort Bend (R) +12%
2. Tarrant (R) +25%
3. Denton (R) +36%
4. Montgomery (R) +36%

and

Quote
Biggest TX early voting increases vs. '12 so far:

1. Travis (D) +120%
2. El Paso (D) +106%
3. Williamson (R) +95%
4. Cameron (D) +75%

Also:

Quote
Pretty clear which party has enthusiasm edge in TX. Dems thrilled w/ interest level in Austin & border counties (El Paso/Hidalgo/Cameron).



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 25, 2016, 06:51:51 PM
Wisconsin early vote stats 10/25

289,253 ballots have been cast.

Heavily Democratic Dane and Milwaukee Counties have cast 84,406 votes (29.2% of the overall vote). They were 26% of the state vote in 2012.

Heavily Republican Waukesha, Ozaukee and Washington Counties have cast 13.7% of the overall vote. They were 12.3% of the state vote in 2012. So Republicans have picked it up a little here. Waukesha had a big dump of votes.

The Dem counties are overperforming by 3.2% and the GOP counties are overperforming by 1.4%


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 25, 2016, 07:16:37 PM
Schale thrice on the Florida numbers today:

Quote
@steveschale  5s seconds ago

In bellwether Hillsborough, Dems extend in person early lead. Lead in all votes cast (EV/abs) by 7.5% after day 2.
Quote
Steve Schale ‏@steveschale  2m minutes ago

Day 2 in conservative Duval, FL: Dems win again. Now trail GOP in total EV/ABS votes by less than 500.  This is a place Trump must crush it.
Quote
@steveschale  2m2 minutes ago Tallahassee, FL

25000 more votes in base Broward County, FL on Day 2.  Dems win than 3:1.  This is very strong

Schale really starting to ring the bell of "it's over in FL".


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 25, 2016, 07:17:56 PM
@steveschale  5s seconds ago


In bellwether Hillsborough, Dems extend in person early lead. Lead in all votes cast (EV/abs) by 7.5% after day 2.

My friend, who I encouraged to vote, just sent his ballot in Hillsborough. :)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 25, 2016, 07:23:34 PM
in normal elections i would now be overjoyed.

in this election i am scared of registered usually non-voting dems...<.<



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ag on October 25, 2016, 07:25:47 PM
in normal elections i would now be overjoyed.

in this election i am scared of registered usually non-voting dems...<.<



Yep. I do not see anything that would make me sleep well.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 25, 2016, 07:27:14 PM
in normal elections i would now be overjoyed.

in this election i am scared of registered usually non-voting dems...<.<



Yep. I do not see anything that would make me sleep well.

Given some of you, I don't expect some to sleep until Clinton has left office.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 25, 2016, 07:28:41 PM
in normal elections i would now be overjoyed.

in this election i am scared of registered usually non-voting dems...<.<



Yep. I do not see anything that would make me sleep well.

Other than the fact that almost everyone has said Florida is essentially won for Clinton.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 25, 2016, 07:33:30 PM
in normal elections i would now be overjoyed.

in this election i am scared of registered usually non-voting dems...<.<



Yep. I do not see anything that would make me sleep well.

Other than the fact that almost everyone has said Florida is essentially won for Clinton.

Florida looks great so far with the massive uptick in Hispanic turnout, as do Arizona and Texas.  If you're going to worry, worry about black turnout in OH and NC and the apparently big uptick in NC white Dems (many of whom are not friendlies for Clinton).

Two polls in NC (PPP & Upshot) have Clinton winning the early vote in NC more than Obama did.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 25, 2016, 07:34:23 PM
in normal elections i would now be overjoyed.

in this election i am scared of registered usually non-voting dems...<.<



Yep. I do not see anything that would make me sleep well.

Other than the fact that almost everyone has said Florida is essentially won for Clinton.

And, I'll waste my breath to say that, if she wins FL, it requires the superhuman bending of the mind to see how she loses the GE.

Clinton wins this scenario 270-268, for God's sake:

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 25, 2016, 07:38:36 PM
  Total number of ballots cast in all reporting jurisdictions:  10,015,480 votes making up 21.7% of the 2012 early vote.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on October 25, 2016, 07:40:35 PM
in normal elections i would now be overjoyed.

in this election i am scared of registered usually non-voting dems...<.<



Yep. I do not see anything that would make me sleep well.

Other than the fact that almost everyone has said Florida is essentially won for Clinton.

And, I'll waste my breath to say that, if she wins FL, it requires the superhuman bending of the mind to see how she loses the GE.

Clinton wins this scenario 270-268, for God's sake:

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I hereby nominate this map for Strangest Semi-Plausible Clinton Win.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Doimper on October 25, 2016, 07:41:06 PM
  Total number of ballots cast in all reporting jurisdictions:  10,015,480 votes making up 21.7% of the 2012 early vote.

Is there any info about how many were cast at this point in 2012?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 25, 2016, 07:41:38 PM
in normal elections i would now be overjoyed.

in this election i am scared of registered usually non-voting dems...<.<



Yep. I do not see anything that would make me sleep well.

Other than the fact that almost everyone has said Florida is essentially won for Clinton.

Florida looks great so far with the massive uptick in Hispanic turnout, as do Arizona and Texas.  If you're going to worry, worry about black turnout in OH and NC and the apparently big uptick in NC white Dems (many of whom are not friendlies for Clinton).

The early white vote are the likely to be the kindest to Clinton.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 25, 2016, 07:42:30 PM
Finally, some Arizona VBM party ID stats:

GOP: 235,565 (38.2%)
DEM: 229,053 (37.1%)
IND: 143,834 (23.3%)
Other: 8,431 (1.4%)

The registered voter base in AZ by party ID is 35R/34I/30D. So Dems are outdoing their registration numbers by 7 points, Republicans are outdoing their registration numbers by 3 points, and independents are lagging their voter registration by 11 points. Apparently in this early voting electorate, Monmouth found a Clinton +10


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 25, 2016, 07:45:19 PM
Finally, some Arizona VBM party ID stats:

GOP: 235,565 (38.2%)
DEM: 229,053 (37.1%)
IND: 143,834 (23.3%)
Other: 8,431 (1.4%)

The registered voter base in AZ by party ID is 35R/34I/30D. So Dems are outdoing their registration numbers by 7 points, Republicans are outdoing their registration numbers by 3 points, and independents are lagging their voter registration by 11 points. Apparently in this early voting electorate, Monmouth found a Clinton +10

Do we know what EV looked like at that point in 2012?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 25, 2016, 07:50:19 PM
Finally, some Arizona VBM party ID stats:

GOP: 235,565 (38.2%)
DEM: 229,053 (37.1%)
IND: 143,834 (23.3%)
Other: 8,431 (1.4%)

The registered voter base in AZ by party ID is 35R/34I/30D. So Dems are outdoing their registration numbers by 7 points, Republicans are outdoing their registration numbers by 3 points, and independents are lagging their voter registration by 11 points. Apparently in this early voting electorate, Monmouth found a Clinton +10

Do we know what EV looked like at that point in 2012?

No we do not. That being said, I remember Arizona's first returns being the mail ballots and Romney was up 14, and then they called the state pretty soon after


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 25, 2016, 07:52:18 PM
in normal elections i would now be overjoyed.

in this election i am scared of registered usually non-voting dems...<.<



Yep. I do not see anything that would make me sleep well.

Other than the fact that almost everyone has said Florida is essentially won for Clinton.

Florida looks great so far with the massive uptick in Hispanic turnout, as do Arizona and Texas.  If you're going to worry, worry about black turnout in OH and NC and the apparently big uptick in NC white Dems (many of whom are not friendlies for Clinton).

The early white vote are the likely to be the kindest to Clinton.

IDK.  Trump and Clinton both killed the early vote in the primaries.  I would think it's just the opposite, with NeverTrump types and Clinton R's either voting on election day or not at all.

I disagree, you assume that the swing-voters/moderate Rs are only begrudgingly voting for her. I think that's a mistake.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 25, 2016, 07:59:31 PM
http://www.insight-us.org/blog/north-carolinas-early-voting-2016-dashboard/

Overall story is that the GOP is picking up fast.

The Black vote is now 77% vs the comparable period (75% last update). Whites are now 108% (was 102%).

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lol that's one (wrong) way to interpret the numbers.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 25, 2016, 08:00:32 PM
For some basic Arizona information, go to about 3:25 on this Youtube video from 2012. You see the majority of the mail ballots counted. Romney led by a 56-42 margin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUOfdyg_hz8


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 25, 2016, 08:01:49 PM
For some basic Arizona information, go to about 3:25 on this Youtube video from 2012. You see the majority of the mail ballots counted. Romney led by a 56-42 margin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUOfdyg_hz8

Wow, that plus what Monmouth posted has me feeling somewhat bullish on Clinton's odds in AZ right now.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: TarHeelDem on October 25, 2016, 08:03:31 PM
I feel like the general consensus is that Clinton is now slightly favored in Arizona anyway, yes?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on October 25, 2016, 08:06:35 PM
Florida is toast for Trump, guys

Steve Schale ‏@steveschale 37m37 minutes ago Tallahassee, FL

CORREX:  Broward had 30k more votes early today (not 25k). Almost tied record day one numbers!!!  #SteveCantAdd


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 25, 2016, 08:07:41 PM
I feel like the general consensus is that Clinton is now slightly favored in Arizona anyway, yes?

I'm not sure. As I say, certainly these early voting numbers are quite encouraging and the polling has been decently so, but only Sabato and 538 of the 9 projectors in the NYT Upshot collection have it lean D.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 25, 2016, 08:08:04 PM
Florida is toast for Trump, guys

Steve Schale ‏@steveschale 37m37 minutes ago Tallahassee, FL

CORREX:  Broward had 30k more votes early today (not 25k). Almost tied record day one numbers!!!  #SteveCantAdd


Great news!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 25, 2016, 08:09:54 PM
I feel like the general consensus is that Clinton is now slightly favored in Arizona anyway, yes?

I'm not sure. As I say, certainly these early voting numbers are quite encouraging and the polling has been decently so, but only Sabato and 538 of the 9 projectors in the NYT Upshot collection have it lean D.

I think it is a total tossup. Remember Clinton has to reverse a 9 point gap from 2012


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: LimoLiberal on October 25, 2016, 08:16:35 PM
I feel like the general consensus is that Clinton is now slightly favored in Arizona anyway, yes?

I'm not sure. As I say, certainly these early voting numbers are quite encouraging and the polling has been decently so, but only Sabato and 538 of the 9 projectors in the NYT Upshot collection have it lean D.

I think it is a total tossup. Remember Clinton has to reverse a 9 point gap from 2012

Virginia had a 15 point swing to the Democrat in 2008. A 9 point swing in a formerly red state would not be unprecedented.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Panda Express on October 25, 2016, 08:29:06 PM
Colorado Update


Dems continue to beat the HOLY HELL out of Rethuglicans in early ballot returns

Democrats are up 23,000 ballots. At this point in 2014, Rethuglicans were up by 27,000 ballots. Turnout spiking in Pueblo and Denver counties.

15 days to Election Day 2016 v 2014. (2014 in parenthesis)

Democrats  117,766 (64,777)
Republicans  94,499 (91,060)
Independent 70,410 (46,404)

TOTAL 286,639 (204,480)

Total turnout up 40%


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 25, 2016, 08:33:56 PM
Colorado Update


Dems continue to beat the HOLY HELL out of Rethuglicans in early ballot returns

Democrats are up 23,000 ballots. At this point in 2014, Rethuglicans were up by 27,000 ballots. Turnout spiking in Pueblo and Denver counties.

15 days to Election Day 2016 v 2014. (2014 in parenthesis)

Democrats  117,766 (64,777)
Republicans  94,499 (91,060)
Independent 70,410 (46,404)

TOTAL 286,639 (204,480)

Total turnout up 40%

Great to see this. CO might be my new home state in the not-so-distant future :)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on October 25, 2016, 08:43:02 PM
Dave Wasserman (https://twitter.com/Redistrict) tweets:

Quote
Smallest TX early voting increases vs. '12 so far:

1. Fort Bend (R) +12%
2. Tarrant (R) +25%
3. Denton (R) +36%
4. Montgomery (R) +36%

and

Quote
Biggest TX early voting increases vs. '12 so far:

1. Travis (D) +120%
2. El Paso (D) +106%
3. Williamson (R) +95%
4. Cameron (D) +75%

Also:

Quote
Pretty clear which party has enthusiasm edge in TX. Dems thrilled w/ interest level in Austin & border counties (El Paso/Hidalgo/Cameron).



Wow!

These numbers are not a good early indicator for Republicans in Texas...

80% of the population of the Great State of Texas lives in a handful of urban Metro areas, and generally counties with high population growth, and the Travis and El Paso county numbers indicate an early surge of Latino voters in heavily populated counties.

Additionally Williamson (Round Rock) is basically an Upper-Middle-Class community North of Austin where there is a significant tech sector, exactly the type of college educated Anglos that are abandoning the top of the ticket in droves, so I suspect this is actually positive news for the Dems and as I have stated elsewhere, this county might be one of the surprise Texas county flips come November.

Even the "lowest turnout" of the Metro counties is not necessarily bad news for Dems. Montgomery County is typically a +55-60 Republican County, where I suspect higher turnout will result in significantly lower total Republican vote margins than previously, as well as places like Denton, Tarrant, and Fort Bend where increased turnout will also likely favor Democrats because of the proportion of non-voters combined with college educated Anglos will similarly cause a net reduction of total Republican total vote margins in these counties.



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 25, 2016, 08:49:18 PM
Colorado Update


Dems continue to beat the HOLY HELL out of Rethuglicans in early ballot returns

Democrats are up 23,000 ballots. At this point in 2014, Rethuglicans were up by 27,000 ballots. Turnout spiking in Pueblo and Denver counties.

15 days to Election Day 2016 v 2014. (2014 in parenthesis)

Democrats  117,766 (64,777)
Republicans  94,499 (91,060)
Independent 70,410 (46,404)

TOTAL 286,639 (204,480)

Total turnout up 40%

This is a shade over 11% of the overall 2012 vote


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 25, 2016, 08:52:42 PM
Dave Wasserman (https://twitter.com/Redistrict) tweets:

Quote
Smallest TX early voting increases vs. '12 so far:

1. Fort Bend (R) +12%
2. Tarrant (R) +25%
3. Denton (R) +36%
4. Montgomery (R) +36%

and

Quote
Biggest TX early voting increases vs. '12 so far:

1. Travis (D) +120%
2. El Paso (D) +106%
3. Williamson (R) +95%
4. Cameron (D) +75%

Also:

Quote
Pretty clear which party has enthusiasm edge in TX. Dems thrilled w/ interest level in Austin & border counties (El Paso/Hidalgo/Cameron).



Wow!

These numbers are not a good early indicator for Republicans in Texas...

80% of the population of the Great State of Texas lives in a handful of urban Metro areas, and generally counties with high population growth, and the Travis and El Paso county numbers indicate an early surge of Latino voters in heavily populated counties.

Additionally Williamson (Round Rock) is basically an Upper-Middle-Class community North of Austin where there is a significant tech sector, exactly the type of college educated Anglos that are abandoning the top of the ticket in droves, so I suspect this is actually positive news for the Dems and as I have stated elsewhere, this county might be one of the surprise Texas county flips come November.

Even the "lowest turnout" of the Metro counties is not necessarily bad news for Dems. Montgomery County is typically a +55-60 Republican County, where I suspect higher turnout will result in significantly lower total Republican vote margins than previously, as well as places like Denton, Tarrant, and Fort Bend where increased turnout will also likely favor Democrats because of the proportion of non-voters combined with college educated Anglos will similarly cause a net reduction of total Republican total vote margins in these counties.



If Williamson County, which is a few points right of the state, ever flipped to Clinton, she would likely win Texas


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 25, 2016, 08:58:00 PM
from ralston...another 30k out of clark county today, still going.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/791084516748189696


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 25, 2016, 08:59:12 PM
from ralston...another 30k out of clark county today, still going.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/791084516748189696

Wow.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 25, 2016, 09:03:01 PM
from ralston...another 30k out of clark county today, still going.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/791084516748189696

Wow.

About 21.7% of the total Clark County vote from 2012 in just 4 days of vote.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on October 25, 2016, 09:05:14 PM
I don't think Williamson will flip, unless establishment but anti-Trump Republican turnout really crashes, but it will swing to Clinton considerably. Hays County (Austin's other suburban county) should flip though.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 25, 2016, 09:06:59 PM
since ralston explains that hispanic unions beat the tacos out of republicans in NV, maybe latinos are the last hope for unionized america.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Devout Centrist on October 25, 2016, 09:08:05 PM
10 million votes have been cast:
http://www.electproject.org/early_2016


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on October 25, 2016, 09:17:07 PM
Florida is crushing it

 Steve Schale ‏@steveschale 3m3 minutes ago Tallahassee, FL

Dems also win GOP-leaning Volusia County (Daytona) on day 2, by roughly same narrow margin as day 1.
0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
Steve Schale ‏@steveschale 7m7 minutes ago Tallahassee, FL

Day 2 of Orange County (Orlando) outpaced Day 1. Dems crush it again there, win 50-28%.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 25, 2016, 09:22:11 PM
on the positive side for reps....atm they lead washoe county, Nv today with 5 more votes.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Xing on October 25, 2016, 09:22:30 PM
https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/791100260604981248

Republicans won today's votes in Washoe by a whopping five votes, but that's after getting hammered the previous three days.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 25, 2016, 09:24:32 PM
Florida is crushing it

 Steve Schale ‏@steveschale 3m3 minutes ago Tallahassee, FL

Dems also win GOP-leaning Volusia County (Daytona) on day 2, by roughly same narrow margin as day 1.
0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
Steve Schale ‏@steveschale 7m7 minutes ago Tallahassee, FL

Day 2 of Orange County (Orlando) outpaced Day 1. Dems crush it again there, win 50-28%.


The only way that happens is with very heavy Hispanic turnout which seems to be the story which will persist through Election Day


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on October 25, 2016, 09:26:03 PM
Dave Wasserman (https://twitter.com/Redistrict) tweets:

Quote
Smallest TX early voting increases vs. '12 so far:

1. Fort Bend (R) +12%
2. Tarrant (R) +25%
3. Denton (R) +36%
4. Montgomery (R) +36%

and

Quote
Biggest TX early voting increases vs. '12 so far:

1. Travis (D) +120%
2. El Paso (D) +106%
3. Williamson (R) +95%
4. Cameron (D) +75%

Also:

Quote
Pretty clear which party has enthusiasm edge in TX. Dems thrilled w/ interest level in Austin & border counties (El Paso/Hidalgo/Cameron).



Wow!

These numbers are not a good early indicator for Republicans in Texas...

80% of the population of the Great State of Texas lives in a handful of urban Metro areas, and generally counties with high population growth, and the Travis and El Paso county numbers indicate an early surge of Latino voters in heavily populated counties.

Additionally Williamson (Round Rock) is basically an Upper-Middle-Class community North of Austin where there is a significant tech sector, exactly the type of college educated Anglos that are abandoning the top of the ticket in droves, so I suspect this is actually positive news for the Dems and as I have stated elsewhere, this county might be one of the surprise Texas county flips come November.

Even the "lowest turnout" of the Metro counties is not necessarily bad news for Dems. Montgomery County is typically a +55-60 Republican County, where I suspect higher turnout will result in significantly lower total Republican vote margins than previously, as well as places like Denton, Tarrant, and Fort Bend where increased turnout will also likely favor Democrats because of the proportion of non-voters combined with college educated Anglos will similarly cause a net reduction of total Republican total vote margins in these counties.



If Williamson County, which is a few points right of the state, ever flipped to Clinton, she would likely win Texas

I both agree and disagree...

I could easily envision a scenario where Williamson flips, along with similar large swings in heavily Anglo College-Educated counties, but Trump still ekes out a win because of the relative inelastic nature of EastTex and rural/ small town parts of NorthTex.

Although polling of Texas is sketchy, especially once we look at data from various regions of the state, it does appear that the largest swings towards Clinton are in the Metro Houston area, as well as Central Texas, while DFW doesn't appear to be swinging as hard towards the Democrats.

However, with Texas it all boils down to both voter registration and turnout levels, and at least the early voting results indicate that the state is not completely out of grasp for Clinton, and there is an outside chance of a hidden surge of voters making this a close ball game at the end of the 4th quarter.

But yes, if Clinton can win over wealthy Anglos in Williamson County, it would seem to indicate a complete collapse of the Anglo educated suburban voters, that will likely manifest in other places such as Montgomery/Fort Bend (Houston), Collins/Denton/Tarrant (DFW), as well as the heavily Anglo suburbs within Bexar and Travis counties....

If so, it might just be enough to take the ball over the finish line, or at least get a successful Field Goal in OT, to carry the state.... not expecting that as the outcome, and we'll need to continue to monitor EV numbers further and see if Republican enthusiasm and voting continues to remain depressed closer to election day.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Minnesota Mike on October 25, 2016, 09:26:41 PM
Florida is toast for Trump, guys

Steve Schale ‏@steveschale 37m37 minutes ago Tallahassee, FL

CORREX:  Broward had 30k more votes early today (not 25k). Almost tied record day one numbers!!!  #SteveCantAdd


Early Voting turnout is through the roof in Florida. Another 35,000 voters voted early today in Miami-Dade for a total of 70,000  (no partisan breakdown yet but has to be good for Democrats).  That is about 30% of the 2012 total  early turnout and there are still 12 days of Early Voting left.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Crumpets on October 25, 2016, 09:30:21 PM
For anyone who is concerned that the early vote is "cannibalizing" the election day vote - that's not necessarily a bad thing. Remember all the stories of people in hours-long lines on election day in 2012? Every person who would vote on election day instead voting early is a person who is not waiting in line on election day.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Minnesota Mike on October 25, 2016, 09:34:01 PM
For anyone who is concerned that the early vote is "cannibalizing" the election day vote - that's not necessarily a bad thing. Remember all the stories of people in hours-long lines on election day in 2012? Every person who would vote on election day instead voting early is a person who is not waiting in line on election day.

Knock on wood at least in Florida things seem to be going smother than in 2012. Going from 8 to 14 Early Voting days and extending hours is a big help.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 25, 2016, 09:34:19 PM
For anyone who is concerned that the early vote is "cannibalizing" the election day vote - that's not necessarily a bad thing. Remember all the stories of people in hours-long lines on election day in 2012? Every person who would vote on election day instead voting early is a person who is not waiting in line on election day.

And on Election Day, Clinton will find the less frequent Dem voters who haven't voted yet with her GOTV apparatus


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 25, 2016, 09:35:28 PM
Using numbers from http://www.electproject.org/early_2016, here's total "ADVANCE" (Mail-in + Early) vote as a fraction of 2012 TOTAL vote (with some bolded battleground states):

State   2012 Total Vote  2016 Advance Vote  % of 2012 Total
TN   2,458,577   697,542   28.37%
AZ   2,298,802   616,883   26.83%
MT   483,932   104,162   21.52%
IA   1,574,738   311,007   19.75%
FL   8,474,134   1,614,883   19.06%
GA   3,897,839   699,824   17.95%
NV   1,014,918   174,119   17.16%
NC   4,493,301   653,487   14.54%
ME   711,053   85,141   11.97%
CO   2,569,516   286,639   11.16%
ND   321,072   35,599   11.09%
NM   783,758   84,432   10.77%
NE   790,662   79,742   10.09%
ID   652,274   64,402   9.87%
WI   3,063,064   289,253   9.44%
OH   5,580,715   509,829   9.14%
IN   2,623,541   238,749   9.10%
CA   13,015,298   1,174,119   9.02%
WA   3,125,516   257,048   8.22%
MI   4,722,988   386,199   8.18%
UT   1,017,401   74,143   7.29%
TX   7,991,197   575,941   7.21%
AR   1,069,468   70,180   6.56%
VA   3,847,243   204,324   5.31%
MN   2,925,920   150,973   5.16%
SC   1,964,118   100,966   5.14%
OR   1,775,995   76,755   4.32%
KS   1,158,833   49,304   4.25%
NJ   3,638,499   141,282   3.88%
IL   5,241,179   167,872   3.20%
DE   413,890   11,516   2.78%
DC   292,992   5,659   1.93%
RI   444,668   7,293   1.64%
AK   297,625   4,733   1.59%
KY   1,796,832   19,820   1.10%
MS   1,285,584   13,167   1.02%
WV   670,438   5,811   0.87%
AL   2,070,327   2,399   0.12%
CT   1,558,132   0   0.00%
HI   434,539   0   0.00%
LA   1,994,065   0   0.00%
MD   2,697,018   0   0.00%
MA   3,161,215   0   0.00%
MO   2,757,323   0   0.00%
NH   708,399   0   0.00%
NY   7,071,734   0   0.00%
OK   1,334,872   0   0.00%
PA   5,742,040   0   0.00%
SD   363,815   0   0.00%
VT   297,247   0   0.00%
WY   247,026   0   0.00%
USA   128,925,332   10,045,197   7.79%


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Crumpets on October 25, 2016, 10:11:15 PM
Here's a map - 4% change in vote = 10% change in color

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BundouYMB on October 25, 2016, 10:26:39 PM
Well, FWIW the TN Republican party issued a statement last week telling voters to "vote their conscience." Governor Haslam is also #NeverTrump.

I really don't think it matters though. TN would probably be one of the last states (along with Alabama, Arkansas, Oklahoma, and West Virginia) to vote for Clinton. The EV surge probably is due to a change in rules or something.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ag on October 25, 2016, 10:33:08 PM

However, with Texas it all boils down to both voter registration and turnout levels,

And this is, of course, where there is the nearly untapped reserve of the Rio Grande Valley. This part of the state normally has abyssmal turnout. But, of course, in recent decades nobody has thought of mobilizing it - there has not been a reason to do so. While it might be too late to do so in this election, if Texas becomes competitive, Dems should be able to add a percentage point or two to their statewide results through proper registration/GOTV effort in the Valley.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 25, 2016, 10:35:55 PM
Well, FWIW the TN Republican party issued a statement last week telling voters to "vote their conscience." Governor Haslam is also #NeverTrump.

I really don't think it matters though. TN would probably be one of the last states (along with Alabama, Arkansas, Oklahoma, and West Virginia) to vote for Clinton. The EV surge probably is due to a change in rules or something.

Actually, back in 2012 about 60% of the total vote in TN was cast early, so I don't think 28% at this point is that unexpected.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Devout Centrist on October 25, 2016, 10:58:56 PM
I didn't even notice TN.  What's going on there?
They have a lot of TN Volunteer's. Same for Montana.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Alcon on October 25, 2016, 11:05:43 PM
My first analysis of Washington suggests a pretty good enthusiasm gap so far for the Democrats:

Here's an interesting pattern in the turnout results so far, for the 25 counties where I have matchbacks:

* 4.4% of voters who didn't vote in the Presidential Primary have returned ballots

* 11.6% of Republican voters from the Primary have returned ballots

* 15.0% (!) of Democratic voters from the Primary have returned ballots

Obviously, that won't hold up, but that's a 64%-36% D turnout split among Presidential Primary voters in the General so far, when the Presidential Primary was only 58%-42% D.  That seems like a significant early enthusiasm gap to me, and it holds up across counties.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 25, 2016, 11:14:06 PM
Not sick of Schalian input on FL yet? Good!

Quote
Steve Schale ‏@steveschale  3s3 seconds ago

One more for tonight:  Dade County almost matched its Day 1 numbers : 34,517 people voted early today - I would have expected dropoff. #boom


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Maxwell on October 25, 2016, 11:19:33 PM
Every day that voter turnout is high is another day that Trump's chances at the White House slips.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Adam Griffin on October 25, 2016, 11:19:40 PM

Even when isolated to where sites weren't reduced, Blacks are 91% of where they were, whites 128%.

That number isn't potentially all that bad. Is this for advance in-person voting only, or is it all ballots cast thus far? Assuming it's the former:

Looking at the non-rogue counties...what is the status of absentee mail ballots at this particular point (accepted)? The Democratic ballots were off-the-chart compared to 2012 last I recall; I believe it has narrowed since.

I know I talk a lot about AIP voting cannibalizing ED voting, but Democrats are increasingly pushing it a step further; trying to convert early in-person voters into ABM voters. Is it possible that it is playing a role here; that the surge in mail ballots has cannibalized what was previously AIP vote, which before that was ED vote?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on October 25, 2016, 11:30:08 PM

However, with Texas it all boils down to both voter registration and turnout levels,

And this is, of course, where there is the nearly untapped reserve of the Rio Grande Valley. This part of the state normally has abyssmal turnout. But, of course, in recent decades nobody has thought of mobilizing it - there has not been a reason to do so. While it might be too late to do so in this election, if Texas becomes competitive, Dems should be able to add a percentage point or two to their statewide results through proper registration/GOTV effort in the Valley.

Absolutely agreed....

The last time anyone attempted to organize in the Rio Grande Valley was way back in the days of the late great Cesar Chavez...

Obviously, the vast majority of SouthTex Latinos today are not Migros, but there was an historic culture of voter, economic, and political surpression from the dominant old Spanish Tejanos and Anglo ranchers and farmers, that is still prevalent to this day.

Based upon at least early voting numbers in the Rio Grande Valley, it does appear that there is an unprescedented level of political mobilization in voting patterns, although obviously investments in voter registration efforts and candidate recruitment for statewide elected offices, will have a much longer term impact, and again absolutely agreed this could well add +1-2% to Democratic margins statewide.

The realidad is that likely once there is a massive voter registration effort in Texas, the statewide Democratic Party will likely look much more progressive on economic policy positions than in in most other American states.

http://www.sampsoniaway.org/interviews/2014/04/03/%E2%80%9Cvoices-of-the-ufw-in-texas%E2%80%9D-a-documentary-on-the-united-farm-worker-movement-in-texas/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Farm_Workers


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 26, 2016, 01:12:46 AM
Day 4 number for Clark County, Nevada was 33,610, up from 30,931 in 2012. Democrats added another 5k votes to their lead, and are currently ahead by about 27k votes. They ended up ahead by about 40k votes at the end of week 1 in 2012, so they appear to be on track to pass that.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: IceSpear on October 26, 2016, 01:14:15 AM
Isn't comparing raw vote problematic due to 4 years of population growth? Particularly for a state like Nevada.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 26, 2016, 01:16:13 AM
Isn't comparing raw vote problematic due to 4 years of population growth? Particularly for a state like Nevada.
The percentages now are similar to 2012, and you are right, Clark County has added 150k voters. Obviously we'll know more at the end of the week when we see the final numbers and the partisan breakdown, but there is 0 evidence of a lack of enthusiasm in early voting in Clark County.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: StatesPoll on October 26, 2016, 05:34:40 AM
Now Florida=in TRUMP's pocket.

Florida Early Voting(in person) 10/26
2012: DEM 46% | REP 36%    D +10%
2016 Day 2(10/26): DEM 43.5%(240K) | REP 39.2%(216K)    D +4.3%

Very good for TRUMP.

DAY 2 in-person Total: 552k  10/26/2016 5:38AM

https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on October 26, 2016, 05:39:07 AM
Now Florida=in TRUMP's pocket.

Florida Early Voting(in person) 10/26
2012: DEM 46% | REP 36%    D +10%
2016 Day 2(10/26): DEM 43.5%(240K) | REP 39.2%(216K)    D +4.3%

Very good for TRUMP.

DAY 2 in-person Total: 552k  10/26/2016 5:38AM

https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats


I hope you get paid in dollars and not rubles.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: SunSt0rm on October 26, 2016, 05:41:11 AM
Now Florida=in TRUMP's pocket.

Florida Early Voting(in person) 10/26
2012: DEM 46% | REP 36%    D +10%
2016 Day 2(10/26): DEM 43.5%(240K) | REP 39.2%(216K)    D +4.3%

Very good for TRUMP.

DAY 2 in-person Total: 552k  10/26/2016 5:38AM

https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats


the results of Palm Beach and Orange County hasnt been included yet for the second day


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on October 26, 2016, 05:42:06 AM
Now Florida=in TRUMP's pocket.

Florida Early Voting(in person) 10/26
2012: DEM 46% | REP 36%    D +10%
2016 Day 2(10/26): DEM 43.5%(240K) | REP 39.2%(216K)    D +4.3%

Very good for TRUMP.

DAY 2 in-person Total: 552k  10/26/2016 5:38AM

https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats


I hope you get paid in dollars and not rubles.
At least he has a job.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: StatesPoll on October 26, 2016, 06:24:39 AM
Now Florida=in TRUMP's pocket.

Florida Early Voting(in person) 10/26
2012: DEM 46% | REP 36%    D +10%
2016 Day 2(10/26): DEM 43.5%(240K) | REP 39.2%(216K)    D +4.3%

Very good for TRUMP.

DAY 2 in-person Total: 552k  10/26/2016 5:38AM

https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats


the results of Palm Beach and Orange County hasnt been included yet for the second day

after Palm Beach and Orange County included. It didn't change that much.

Florida Early Voting(in person) 10/26  10/26/2016 7:06AM

2012 in person total: DEM 46% | REP 36%    D +10%
2016 Day 2(10/26): DEM 43.86%(256.6K) | REP 38.61%(225.9K)    D +5.25%
Total 585k

Keep in mind that several counties leaning heavily Trump have not started voting early yet.
especially Pasco county.

 


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: JerryArkansas on October 26, 2016, 06:29:44 AM
Now Florida=in TRUMP's pocket.

Florida Early Voting(in person) 10/26
2012: DEM 46% | REP 36%    D +10%
2016 Day 2(10/26): DEM 43.5%(240K) | REP 39.2%(216K)    D +4.3%

Very good for TRUMP.

DAY 2 in-person Total: 552k  10/26/2016 5:38AM

https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats


the results of Palm Beach and Orange County hasnt been included yet for the second day

after Palm Beach and Orange County included. It didn't change that much.

Florida Early Voting(in person) 10/26  10/26/2016 7:06AM

2012 in person total: DEM 46% | REP 36%    D +10%
2016 Day 2(10/26): DEM 43.86%(256.6K) | REP 38.61%(225.9K)    D +5.25%
Total 585k

Keep in mind that several counties leaning heavily Trump have not started voting early yet.
especially Pasco county.

 
Also remember that you are comparing totals that are not at the same time in the election season.  But nice try doing what your doing.  Your cultists on twitter really love you, hope they don't turn on election day.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dan the Roman on October 26, 2016, 07:17:41 AM
Now Florida=in TRUMP's pocket.

Florida Early Voting(in person) 10/26
2012: DEM 46% | REP 36%    D +10%
2016 Day 2(10/26): DEM 43.5%(240K) | REP 39.2%(216K)    D +4.3%

Very good for TRUMP.

DAY 2 in-person Total: 552k  10/26/2016 5:38AM

https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats


the results of Palm Beach and Orange County hasnt been included yet for the second day

after Palm Beach and Orange County included. It didn't change that much.

Florida Early Voting(in person) 10/26  10/26/2016 7:06AM

2012 in person total: DEM 46% | REP 36%    D +10%
2016 Day 2(10/26): DEM 43.86%(256.6K) | REP 38.61%(225.9K)    D +5.25%
Total 585k

Keep in mind that several counties leaning heavily Trump have not started voting early yet.
especially Pasco county.

 

The Florida policy concerning absentee ballots changed so the operative comparison should be with the total number of mail+early votes rather than early. In that measure Democrats and Republicans are very nearly tied, Republicans leading by about 6000, with 40K more Democratic ballots outstanding and with the vast majority of remaining votes likely to be early.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 26, 2016, 08:16:25 AM
http://www.insight-us.org/blog/north-carolinas-early-voting-2016-dashboard/

Overall story is that the GOP is picking up fast.

The Black vote is now 77% vs the comparable period (75% last update). Whites are now 108% (was 102%).

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lol that's one (wrong) way to interpret the numbers.

What's a good way to interpret it? 10/26, Dr. Bitzer says
http://www.oldnorthstatepolitics.com/2016/10/nearing-million-absentee-ballots-in.html

Quote
In terms of party registration performance, registered Republicans have met their same numbers from four years ago, while registered Democrats are down 11%, and registered unaffiliated voters are 30% ahead of where they were the same day in 2012.

Kind of odd that after underperforming mail ballots, GOP is doing relatively better with early voting (Bitzer's numbers are for combined mail/early vote). Maybe the excited Trump supporters are voting early, but they'll peter off. Still, I don't see how one can spin the week's past numbers as a good sign for Clinton.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 26, 2016, 08:30:16 AM
Important to note for NC:

(((Will Cubbison))) ‏@wccubbison
NC Early Vote Sites:
Yesterday 248
Today 253
Tomorrow 394 (!!)
After a weekend drop and only 120 Sunday, 400+ all next week


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 26, 2016, 08:37:16 AM
Important to note for NC:

(((Will Cubbison))) ‏@wccubbison
NC Early Vote Sites:
Yesterday 248
Today 253
Tomorrow 394 (!!)
After a weekend drop and only 120 Sunday, 400+ all next week

Yeah, this feels like an important factor.

Also should note that two polls have shown Hillary is doing much better than Obama did in the early vote in 2012. I think people are forgetting that there is going to be a decent % of registered Republicans (South Charlotte, Triangle Area) that will be voting for Clinton. Blue Dog Dems won't be the only voters to switch sides.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 26, 2016, 08:50:31 AM
I was just hoping Republicans would continue their abysmal mail margins, but it seems more like a race now. Hopefully Dems extend their leads again with more voting sites next week.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 26, 2016, 08:52:41 AM
http://www.insight-us.org/blog/north-carolinas-early-voting-2016-dashboard/

Overall story is that the GOP is picking up fast.

The Black vote is now 77% vs the comparable period (75% last update). Whites are now 108% (was 102%).

()
lol that's one (wrong) way to interpret the numbers.

What's a good way to interpret it? 10/26, Dr. Bitzer says
http://www.oldnorthstatepolitics.com/2016/10/nearing-million-absentee-ballots-in.html

Quote
In terms of party registration performance, registered Republicans have met their same numbers from four years ago, while registered Democrats are down 11%, and registered unaffiliated voters are 30% ahead of where they were the same day in 2012.

Kind of odd that after underperforming mail ballots, GOP is doing relatively better with early voting (Bitzer's numbers are for combined mail/early vote). Maybe the excited Trump supporters are voting early, but they'll peter off. Still, I don't see how one can spin the week's past numbers as a good sign for Clinton.

We also have to take into account that Independent #'s are greater this year. And a big share of that comes from young people voting for Hillary.

I'm going by my rough memory but Hillary is doing somewhat better under Independent in NC compared to Obama. D minus R margin would be a pretty conservative estimate.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 26, 2016, 09:00:48 AM
dems now leading in nevada with 24000 votes..

http://www.ktnv.com/news/ralston/the-nevada-early-voting-blog

obama's overall advantage over romney before election day 2012 has been 34.000 votes....



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 26, 2016, 09:06:57 AM
Steve Schale

Bellwethers:

Hillsborough County -- the only county in Florida to vote for Obama twice and Bush twice, saw over 18,000 in person votes for the second straight day, and Democrats increase their early vote lead to more than 4,000 votes, and their total early/VBM lead to over 10,000 votes.  Democratic share of total early/VBM votes is about 7.3%.  

I-4 Corridor:  Democrats won every county that is on I-4, except Seminole County (we can't expect to win a county so Republican that you have to go back to Truman to find a Democrat who carried it every day).  Overall for the day, Democrats won 45-35.

Here are a few counties:

Broward: (60D-21R), +11,987 for day 2.
Dade: (48D-29R) +6,600 for day 2.
Orange: (50D-29R) +3,665 for day 2

Also, here is one more for you: among first day of early voting Democratic and NPA Hispanics, 44% were either first time voters, or only voting in their second ever general election.  In other words, these voters are expanding the electorate.

Overall, after day one (again I will update these later), of the roughly 1.6 million ballots cast, 79% of Republican votes came from the most likely of voters, compared to 73% of Democratic votes.  In other words, a larger share of the Democratic turnout has been from new voters, and infrequent voters."


Very important, bolded.

Those of us that watch football, LOL at below.

"Well right now, Republicans are doing about as well in Duval as the Jaguars."


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 26, 2016, 09:56:05 AM
Apparently @seanspicer said GOP up 8 in EV on I-4. Nope

VBM+EV -> Counties on I-4: Dems +30K (+7%)
Entire TPA/ORL DMA: Dems -15K (-1.5%)

https://twitter.com/steveschale/status/791291220836356096?lang=de


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 26, 2016, 10:18:36 AM
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/26/1587009/-Early-voting-in-Columbus-OH-on-record-pace

In-person early voting in Franklin County (Columbus) Ohio is coming in far above 2012 totals.
In-person early voting in Franklin County Ohio, 2016 vs. 2012

EARLY VOTING DAY #   2012 DATE   2012 EARLY VOTES   2016 DATE   2016 EARLY VOTES

1   10/2   1,515   10/12   2,483
2   10/3   1,152   10/13   2,076
3   10/4   1,102   10/14   2,471
4   10/5   1,417   10/17   2,284
5   10/9   4,237   10/18   2,032
6   10/10   1,186  10/19   2,189
7   10/11   967   10/20   2,125
8   10/12   1,318   10/21   2,804
9   10/15   1,233   10/24   3,406
10   10/16   1,135   10/25   3,059
11   10/17   1,254   10/26   -
12   10/18   1,237   10/27   -
13   10/19   1,888   10/28   -
14   10/22   2,307   10/29   -
15   10/23   2,264   10/30   -
16   10/24   2,607   10/31   -
17   10/25   2,772   11/01   -
18   10/26   3,784   11/02   -
19   10/29   4,443   11/03   -
20   10/30   3,656   11/04   -
21   10/31   4,118   11/05   -
22   11/01   4,964   11/06   -
23   11/02   5,578   11/07   -
24   11/03   4,832      
25   11/04   3,707      
26   11/05   4,383   
   
"In summary, for the first 10 early voting days in 2012 there were 15,262 votes cast in-person, vs. 24,929 this time, a 63% increase. While there are three fewer early voting days in 2016 compared to 2012, the voting rate is on track to blow through the 2012 total.

In 2012 there were a total of 69,112 in-person early votes cast in the county. The total this time could exceed 100,000, which would be a 45% increase, not  stretch given that the increase so far exceeds 60%."


Ohio is really confusing right now because there are some mixes of positive and negative news.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Virginiá on October 26, 2016, 10:20:48 AM
At what point might we be able to reasonably estimate the turnout for this election?

I understand population growth has an effect here, but even with that, it almost seems like turnout might at least be on par with 2012, which was considered high turnout.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 26, 2016, 10:24:06 AM
my biggest fear atm would be that the party-registration data is going to be useless at the end, cause there has been more crossover-potential than ever.

especially true in OH.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 26, 2016, 10:33:21 AM
Few more positives for Hillary in OH

https://twitter.com/tbonier

"Sleeping giant awakens? Huge surge in early vote in Cuyahoga/Franklin Counties yesterday, now accounting for 20% of early votes cast in OH."

"38% of ballots cast in Ohio yesterday came from Franklin and Cuyahoga County. Time to lose the media narrative on Trump doing well in OH."


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Mehmentum on October 26, 2016, 10:53:53 AM
my biggest fear atm would be that the party-registration data is going to be useless at the end, cause there has been more crossover-potential than ever.

especially true in OH.
True, but polling generally shows that Democrats are much more unified this year than Republicans so generally I'd think that Democrats should outperform the registration gap this year. 

There are a few areas like some parts Northern Florida and Western NC and VA, that could skew these numbers if Trump is turning out people in those areas to a large degree.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 26, 2016, 10:56:28 AM
Few more positives for Hillary in OH

https://twitter.com/tbonier

"Sleeping giant awakens? Huge surge in early vote in Cuyahoga/Franklin Counties yesterday, now accounting for 20% of early votes cast in OH."

"38% of ballots cast in Ohio yesterday came from Franklin and Cuyahoga County. Time to lose the media narrative on Trump doing well in OH."

Cuyahoga/Franklin only made up 15.2% of the early vote cast as of last Thursday. That's a 5% increase in less than a week!

I also wonder if the Clinton camp decided to hold back a bit here like they also did in Iowa, where we are also seeing Democratic recovery/.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 26, 2016, 10:58:18 AM
Good numbers from CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/26/politics/early-voting-statistics-2016-election/index.html

Arizona
Dems ahead by 4,116 votes, a major improvement from their position at this time four years ago, when they trailed by 21,179.

Colorado
Democrats have outvoted Republicans by more than 10,000. At this point in 2012, Republicans had the advantage by about 7,600 votes.

Florida
Republicans currently hold an 18,120-vote advantage, a paltry amount compared to their 113,222-vote edge at this time in 2008.

Nevada
Democrats hold a nearly 15,000-vote lead, a slight improvement from their position in 2012.

North Carolina
Democrats better than their 2012 pace, but Black vote only 25% share vs 30% in 2012.

Utah
At this point in 2012, Republicans led Democrats in early voting by more than 31,000 voters. But so far this year, the GOP advantage is only 15,834.

Iowa
Democrats are ahead of Republicans in the latest early vote count, but their margin is lower than it was at this point in 2012, to the tune of about 7,200 votes


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on October 26, 2016, 11:03:19 AM
I may be misremembering, but I think OH party registration is just based on which primary you voted in. So I'm sure there are a lot of independents and Democrats who voted in the Republican primary for Kasich.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 26, 2016, 11:05:04 AM
Targetsmart uses a variety of factors to estimate party affiliation (race, Facebook activity, etc). I'm sure they considered the crossover vote in the primaries.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Yank2133 on October 26, 2016, 11:17:21 AM
Those CO numbers are insane.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 26, 2016, 11:40:17 AM
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject
Colorado mail ballot stats: 416,951 voted, Dems +6.1 points over Reps (was +8.1 y'day)
http://www.sos.state.co.us/pubs/newsRoom/index.html

Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject
Despite closing reg Dem lead in CO, 2K more Dems than Reps returned ballots y'day. As ballots pile up, will be harder to move percentages

Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject
Kicking myself for not saving the CO 2012 daily updates, but at the end of 2012, reg Reps were +1.8 points over Dems


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 26, 2016, 11:45:22 AM
Should be noted that CO went to a near all-VbM system. Still great numbers!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 26, 2016, 11:59:31 AM
Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn  2m2 minutes ago Washington, DC
Clinton leads 59-36 in the North Carolina early vote with more than 800k votes cast. We'll be tracking it daily

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/north-carolina-early-vote-tracker.html


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 26, 2016, 12:00:23 PM
Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn  2m2 minutes ago Washington, DC
Clinton leads 59-36 in the North Carolina early vote with more than 800k votes cast. We'll be tracking it daily

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/north-carolina-early-vote-tracker.html

Nice!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 26, 2016, 12:03:09 PM
Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn  2m2 minutes ago Washington, DC
Clinton leads 59-36 in the North Carolina early vote with more than 800k votes cast. We'll be tracking it daily

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/north-carolina-early-vote-tracker.html

Nice!

Yeah, wow. That's a pretty strong statement out of one of the places where it's been a tad less clear re: Clinton's standing.

Their current projection for the final result in NC, for those that don't click through, is 49-43 Clinton.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 26, 2016, 12:04:33 PM
Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn  2m2 minutes ago Washington, DC
Clinton leads 59-36 in the North Carolina early vote with more than 800k votes cast. We'll be tracking it daily

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/north-carolina-early-vote-tracker.html

"supporters of Gary Johnson simply aren’t turning out in early voting, according to our polling data. So far, he has just 3 percent of the vote among people who voted early, according to our polling and our modeled data."


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Desroko on October 26, 2016, 12:32:42 PM
Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn  2m2 minutes ago Washington, DC
Clinton leads 59-36 in the North Carolina early vote with more than 800k votes cast. We'll be tracking it daily

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/north-carolina-early-vote-tracker.html

"supporters of Gary Johnson simply aren’t turning out in early voting, according to our polling data. So far, he has just 3 percent of the vote among people who voted early, according to our polling and our modeled data."

I have to be circumspect here, but this is absolutely what I'm seeing. The pattern even shows up in public polling - 3rd party voters are more weakly attached than Dem/GOP, less likely to vote, and most damningly, the ones that are most likely to vote are the same ones that are most weakly attached.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on October 26, 2016, 12:49:55 PM
This seems to reinforce the idea that many people who choose Johnson in a poll do so simply because they don't like either Clinton or Trump, and Johnson is an offered alternative.  But they have no strong attachment to Johnson, so they're more likely to stay home than to turn out and vote for him.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Mike88 on October 26, 2016, 12:53:22 PM
Almost 12 million people have cast or mailed in a ballot. Is it possible to say that, this year, early voting could be almost half of all votes cast?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 26, 2016, 12:56:11 PM
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  18m18 minutes ago
TX early voting (mail & in-person) in the 15 largest counties as of 10/25: 969,243 people have voted, up 46.2% from say point in 2012


Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict  9m9 minutes ago
Biggest TX early voting increases vs. '12, as of Day 2:
1. Travis (D) +119%
2. El Paso (D) +93%
3. Williamson (R) +89%
4. Collin (R) +72%


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Maxwell on October 26, 2016, 01:00:50 PM
wow! look at all those Trump Dems! #MAGA


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 26, 2016, 01:06:31 PM
So are the partisan numbers in Florida good or bad for the Dems? The last few posts have confused me.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: windjammer on October 26, 2016, 01:07:38 PM
So are the partisan numbers in Florida good or bad for the Dems? The last few posts have confused me.
Good news for dems


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Hydera on October 26, 2016, 01:09:34 PM
wow! look at all those Trump Dems! #MAGA

BREAKING: LATINOS splitting for TRUMP by 6% in Nevada early votes (Romney was DOWN 12% in 2012) #MAGA!! #KillaryforPRISON


I sh**t you not if you search 'Nevada early voting' in twitter you'll find the exact tweet. and it like all other pro-trump tweets it had no source/link.

So are the partisan numbers in Florida good or bad for the Dems? The last few posts have confused me.

Good for dems because they were down by 3% in the early vote in 2012 and now its tied.




Back to the general electionWhat you should assume is that 4-8% of the dems in the early vote are registered dems who have voted GOP for decades and didnt bother to change registration who live mostly in the panhandle.

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Then you assume that most of the NPA's will split for the democrats because a large segment of them are hispanics.

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 26, 2016, 01:09:54 PM
So are the partisan numbers in Florida good or bad for the Dems? The last few posts have confused me.
Good news for dems

Yeah, FL is one that really can't be read any other way than positive for the Dems so far.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 26, 2016, 01:17:22 PM
https://twitter.com/steveschale/status/791341639201648645?lang=de

"Interesting tidbit:  The NPA's in FL who have voted are disproportionally unlikely voters (about 40%) & a bitmore Hispanic than electorate."


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Hydera on October 26, 2016, 01:18:51 PM
https://twitter.com/steveschale/status/791341639201648645?lang=de

"Interesting tidbit:  The NPA's in FL who have voted are disproportionally unlikely voters (about 40%) & a bitmore Hispanic than electorate."


Bad news for those who think NPA's will lean trump because 'obviously they hate hillary!!!'


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 26, 2016, 01:25:50 PM
Oregon

http://sos.oregon.gov/voting/Documents/G16-Daily-Ballot-Returns.pdf

168,847 returned so far or 6.6%...

Party break down appears to be
Democrat 87,649
Republican 46.997


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: KingSweden on October 26, 2016, 01:53:52 PM
Oregon

http://sos.oregon.gov/voting/Documents/G16-Daily-Ballot-Returns.pdf

168,847 returned so far or 6.6%...

Party break down appears to be
Democrat 87,649
Republican 46.997


...

I know it's early but that's DOUBLe


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Maxwell on October 26, 2016, 01:54:42 PM
Is that better or worse than previous early voting in Oregon?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Mehmentum on October 26, 2016, 02:01:02 PM
Is that better or worse than previous early voting in Oregon?
100% of voting in Oregon is early voting, right?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 26, 2016, 02:02:10 PM
Is that better or worse than previous early voting in Oregon?
I don't know about the numbers at this point in 2012, but the final numbers in Oregon were 752,722 Democrats, 602,090 Republicans, 352,001 NAV and about 112k in other parties.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on October 26, 2016, 02:31:59 PM
Is that better or worse than previous early voting in Oregon?

In 2012 there were ~140k ballots cast by the third reporting day of early voting, which is lower than the  170k cast in three days of early voting this year.

Unfortunately, I can't see the party breakdown of EV for 2012 yet to see what the trend looks like.

I will note that the early vote numbers in 2016 are significantly higher in heavily rural and older Republican counties in Eastern and Southern Oregon than the statewide average, but I don't think that is particularly unusual.

What is interesting is that almost 11% have already been returned in overwhelmingly Democratic Multnomah County, also lagging in both the Democratic suburbs of Washington County, former Democratic strongholds of Coos & Columbia with large working-class Whites that have been trending Republican over the past few decades, and anemic in Jackson County in Southern Oregon, which is on my 2012-2016 flip R to D list, as well as Yamhill County (Exurban PDX).


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on October 26, 2016, 02:37:36 PM
This seems to reinforce the idea that many people who choose Johnson in a poll do so simply because they don't like either Clinton or Trump, and Johnson is an offered alternative. 
That's not an idea, that's what people actually said to pollsters. The same applies to undecided voters, they dislike both/all candidates.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Moortje on October 26, 2016, 02:51:22 PM
Is that better or worse than previous early voting in Oregon?

In 2012 there were ~140k ballots cast by the third reporting day of early voting, which is lower than the  170k cast in three days of early voting this year.

Unfortunately, I can't see the party breakdown of EV for 2012 yet to see what the trend looks like.

I will note that the early vote numbers in 2016 are significantly higher in heavily rural and older Republican counties in Eastern and Southern Oregon than the statewide average, but I don't think that is particularly unusual.

What is interesting is that almost 11% have already been returned in overwhelmingly Democratic Multnomah County, also lagging in both the Democratic suburbs of Washington County, former Democratic strongholds of Coos & Columbia with large working-class Whites that have been trending Republican over the past few decades, and anemic in Jackson County in Southern Oregon, which is on my 2012-2016 flip R to D list, as well as Yamhill County (Exurban PDX).

Hey everyone! Been lurking here at Atlas since 2008, but following this thread finally pushed me to register, because I've been following Oregon's numbers closely. I can't post the link because I don't have enough posts, but just google "oregon cumulative daily ballot returns" and the second link is a pdf with the return rates since 2000 on the SoS' website.

Here's what I've gleaned:

Oregon almost always hits 70% turnout in midterms, and hits 81-84% in presidentials. The vote is coming in this year at a rate that definitely looks guaranteed to hit 80% turnout, and very possibly closer to 85%. We just need a couple more days to get a clearer picture.

You're very right about Multnomah; it almost always lags the rest of the state until the day before election day and the day itself, when the avalanche of lefty Portland NAVs finally sweeps in. I remember the Mult overall return numbers in 2014 being mired in the single digits for several days longer than this. They do have several barnburner city/county races there this year, so maybe that's driving turnout.

And the rural, conservative counties do tend to come in heavy early. It's yet another way that the Oregon electorate regularly Lucy-and-the-footballs the state GOP. I remember the reddish-heavy early vote in 2014 causing all the conservative posters on OregonLive to gloat in the weeks before in the election. Instead, we were in the only state in the country to increase Democratic majorities in both houses. Woops!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on October 26, 2016, 03:20:56 PM
Is that better or worse than previous early voting in Oregon?

In 2012 there were ~140k ballots cast by the third reporting day of early voting, which is lower than the  170k cast in three days of early voting this year.

Unfortunately, I can't see the party breakdown of EV for 2012 yet to see what the trend looks like.

I will note that the early vote numbers in 2016 are significantly higher in heavily rural and older Republican counties in Eastern and Southern Oregon than the statewide average, but I don't think that is particularly unusual.

What is interesting is that almost 11% have already been returned in overwhelmingly Democratic Multnomah County, also lagging in both the Democratic suburbs of Washington County, former Democratic strongholds of Coos & Columbia with large working-class Whites that have been trending Republican over the past few decades, and anemic in Jackson County in Southern Oregon, which is on my 2012-2016 flip R to D list, as well as Yamhill County (Exurban PDX).

Hey everyone! Been lurking here at Atlas since 2008, but following this thread finally pushed me to register, because I've been following Oregon's numbers closely. I can't post the link because I don't have enough posts, but just google "oregon cumulative daily ballot returns" and the second link is a pdf with the return rates since 2000 on the SoS' website.

Here's what I've gleaned:

Oregon almost always hits 70% turnout in midterms, and hits 81-84% in presidentials. The vote is coming in this year at a rate that definitely looks guaranteed to hit 80% turnout, and very possibly closer to 85%. We just need a couple more days to get a clearer picture.

You're very right about Multnomah; it almost always lags the rest of the state until the day before election day and the day itself, when the avalanche of lefty Portland NAVs finally sweeps in. I remember the Mult overall return numbers in 2014 being mired in the single digits for several days longer than this. They do have several barnburner city/county races there this year, so maybe that's driving turnout.

And the rural, conservative counties do tend to come in heavy early. It's yet another way that the Oregon electorate regularly Lucy-and-the-footballs the state GOP. I remember the reddish-heavy early vote in 2014 causing all the conservative posters on OregonLive to gloat in the weeks before in the election. Instead, we were in the only state in the country to increase Democratic majorities in both houses. Woops!

welcome!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 26, 2016, 03:30:13 PM
Possible Dem improvement in Ohio?

https://mobile.twitter.com/tbonier/status/791235054374625280

Cuyahoga and Franklin Counties now total 20% of the statewide vote. In 2012, they made up 21.8% and Obama won by 3


Title: A Note about early voting results
Post by: Nyvin on October 26, 2016, 03:56:35 PM
So far there seems to be a large disparity between female and male voters,   is this normal in early voting?   Or is Trump causing a female voter surge?

http://www.techrepublic.com/article/new-data-reveals-early-voting-trends-in-key-swing-states/


WI:
Gender: 57.3% Female // 41.7% Male

NC:
Gender: 56.1% F // 43.8% M

FL:
Gender: 56% F // 43.9% M

IA:
Gender: 56.9% F // 43.0% M

GA:
Gender: 56.7% F // 43.2% M

ME:
Gender: 56.1% F // 43.2% M

The only state not to show this trend is CO, which was almost exactly even.    


Title: Re: A Note about early voting results
Post by: dspNY on October 26, 2016, 04:04:31 PM
So far there seems to be a large disparity between female and male voters,   is this normal in early voting?   Or is Trump causing a female voter surge?

http://www.techrepublic.com/article/new-data-reveals-early-voting-trends-in-key-swing-states/


WI:
Gender: 57.3% Female // 41.7% Male

NC:
Gender: 56.1% F // 43.8% M

FL:
Gender: 56% F // 43.9% M

IA:
Gender: 56.9% F // 43.0% M

GA:
Gender: 56.7% F // 43.2% M

ME:
Gender: 56.1% F // 43.2% M

The only state not to show this trend is CO, which was almost exactly even.    

Usually the vote in any state is around a 53-47 split so to see 56-57% female is a bit unusual


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 26, 2016, 04:09:35 PM
https://twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/status/791385700730101894
Latest NBC Marist poll in Nevada has Clinton up 25 points in early voting (60-35)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on October 26, 2016, 04:11:51 PM
https://twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/status/791385700730101894
Latest NBC Marist poll in Nevada has Clinton up 25 points in early voting (60-35)

That makes their topline numbers look extremely ridiculous.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 26, 2016, 04:13:55 PM
https://twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/status/791385700730101894
Latest NBC Marist poll in Nevada has Clinton up 25 points in early voting (60-35)

That makes their topline numbers look extremely ridiculous.

70% of all Nevada votes in 2012 were early votes. If this keeps up than it isn't just ridiculous but nearly impossible.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 26, 2016, 04:15:18 PM
Iowa absentee ballot stats, 10/26

DEM: 219,284
GOP: 174,991
IND: 111,484
Other: 1,520

Ballots cast:

DEM: 156,535
GOP: 115,699
IND: 69,222
Other: 942

Dems now 44.3K ahead in ballot requests, up about 2K from yesterday but slip about 200 in votes cast to a 40.8K lead


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 26, 2016, 05:00:43 PM
In Florida, Democrats have requested 3557 more absentee ballots + votes in VBM but the GOP has about a 35.5K lead in just ballots cast. Are some Dems requesting VBM ballots and deciding to vote in person?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Classic Conservative on October 26, 2016, 05:06:47 PM
In Florida, Democrats have requested 3557 more absentee ballots + votes in VBM but the GOP has about a 35.5K lead in just ballots cast. Are some Dems requesting VBM ballots and deciding to vote in person?
They could just not be returning their ballots.


Title: Re: A Note about early voting results
Post by: Alcon on October 26, 2016, 05:08:41 PM
The only state not to show this trend is CO, which was almost exactly even.    

That's because Colorado votes by mail; it's not really "early voting" so much as...normal, gradual voting.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 26, 2016, 05:09:20 PM
In Florida, Democrats have requested 3557 more absentee ballots + votes in VBM but the GOP has about a 35.5K lead in just ballots cast. Are some Dems requesting VBM ballots and deciding to vote in person?
They could just not be returning their ballots.

Or because they're no immediately filling out the ballots...


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Classic Conservative on October 26, 2016, 05:17:50 PM
In Florida, Democrats have requested 3557 more absentee ballots + votes in VBM but the GOP has about a 35.5K lead in just ballots cast. Are some Dems requesting VBM ballots and deciding to vote in person?
They could just not be returning their ballots.

Or because they're no immediately filling out the ballots...
I mean like the election is 12 days away (because mail for today has already ended on the East Coast) so they better get those ballots in.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on October 26, 2016, 05:29:18 PM
In Florida, Democrats have requested 3557 more absentee ballots + votes in VBM but the GOP has about a 35.5K lead in just ballots cast. Are some Dems requesting VBM ballots and deciding to vote in person?
They could just not be returning their ballots.

Or because they're no immediately filling out the ballots...
I mean like the election is 12 days away (because mail for today has already ended on the East Coast) so they better get those ballots in.

Well, coming from the first state to go all vote-by-mail, going way back in the early 2000s, and predominately vote-by-mail in the 1990s, I can attest that many people do wait.

Note, that in Oregon (Not sure about CO) there are ballot drop stations located all over the place in every city in the state, and typically election day has the highest spikes, since here the ballots need to be either received in the mail by ED, or dropped off at a ballot deposit location (Basically like a blue postal mailbox).

Some states like California, allow ballots with a postmark of election day to be counted, which creates a giant headache for election geeks trying to track close elections.

Oregon now has an 83-86% voter participation rate since VbM was implemented, and I would not be surprised to see it higher this year now that automatic driver license registration has rolled out for the first time.

It is a first time for Colorado, so we'll see if their turnout numbers start looking more like fully VbM states (OR & WA) and heavily VbM states (CA) or if it engenders confusion while voters adapt to the new system in their first year.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 26, 2016, 05:37:29 PM
In Florida, Democrats have requested 3557 more absentee ballots + votes in VBM but the GOP has about a 35.5K lead in just ballots cast. Are some Dems requesting VBM ballots and deciding to vote in person?
They could just not be returning their ballots.

Or because they're no immediately filling out the ballots...
I mean like the election is 12 days away (because mail for today has already ended on the East Coast) so they better get those ballots in.

Depends on the state, some will still count it if postmarked on Election Day.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 26, 2016, 05:40:06 PM
In Florida, Democrats have requested 3557 more absentee ballots + votes in VBM but the GOP has about a 35.5K lead in just ballots cast. Are some Dems requesting VBM ballots and deciding to vote in person?
They could just not be returning their ballots.

Or because they're no immediately filling out the ballots...
I mean like the election is 12 days away (because mail for today has already ended on the East Coast) so they better get those ballots in.

Depends on the state, some will still count it if postmarked on Election Day.

In Florida, vote by mail requests terminate on November 2 and must be received no later than 7 PM on Election Day. Therefore, to ensure that the votes are counted, they should be sent by November 1 or 2 or hand-delivered to a voting station on Election Day itself


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 26, 2016, 05:44:47 PM
In Florida, Democrats have requested 3557 more absentee ballots + votes in VBM but the GOP has about a 35.5K lead in just ballots cast. Are some Dems requesting VBM ballots and deciding to vote in person?
They could just not be returning their ballots.

Or because they're no immediately filling out the ballots...
I mean like the election is 12 days away (because mail for today has already ended on the East Coast) so they better get those ballots in.

Depends on the state, some will still count it if postmarked on Election Day.

In Florida, vote by mail requests terminate on November 2 and must be received no later than 7 PM on Election Day. Therefore, to ensure that the votes are counted, they should be sent by November 1 or 2 or hand-delivered to a voting station on Election Day itself

Thanks for the official word!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 26, 2016, 05:53:31 PM
In Florida, Democrats have requested 3557 more absentee ballots + votes in VBM but the GOP has about a 35.5K lead in just ballots cast. Are some Dems requesting VBM ballots and deciding to vote in person?
They could just not be returning their ballots.

Or because they're no immediately filling out the ballots...
I mean like the election is 12 days away (because mail for today has already ended on the East Coast) so they better get those ballots in.

Depends on the state, some will still count it if postmarked on Election Day.

In Florida, vote by mail requests terminate on November 2 and must be received no later than 7 PM on Election Day. Therefore, to ensure that the votes are counted, they should be sent by November 1 or 2 or hand-delivered to a voting station on Election Day itself

Thanks for the official word!

You're welcome.

Now for an interesting treat...here are some SOUTH Carolina early voting demographics

White: 108,256 (66.8%)
African-American: 52,936 (32.7%)
Hispanic: 638 (0.4%)
Unknown: 113 (0.1%)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 26, 2016, 05:56:24 PM
In Florida, Democrats have requested 3557 more absentee ballots + votes in VBM but the GOP has about a 35.5K lead in just ballots cast. Are some Dems requesting VBM ballots and deciding to vote in person?
They could just not be returning their ballots.

Or because they're no immediately filling out the ballots...
I mean like the election is 12 days away (because mail for today has already ended on the East Coast) so they better get those ballots in.

Depends on the state, some will still count it if postmarked on Election Day.

In Florida, vote by mail requests terminate on November 2 and must be received no later than 7 PM on Election Day. Therefore, to ensure that the votes are counted, they should be sent by November 1 or 2 or hand-delivered to a voting station on Election Day itself

Thanks for the official word!

You're welcome.

Now for an interesting treat...here are some SOUTH Carolina early voting demographics

White: 108,256 (66.8%)
African-American: 52,936 (32.7%)
Hispanic: 638 (0.4%)
Unknown: 113 (0.1%)

Whoa! Higher than Georgia (the white vote too though). What's it like in the past.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: OneJ on October 26, 2016, 05:57:52 PM
In Florida, Democrats have requested 3557 more absentee ballots + votes in VBM but the GOP has about a 35.5K lead in just ballots cast. Are some Dems requesting VBM ballots and deciding to vote in person?
They could just not be returning their ballots.

Or because they're no immediately filling out the ballots...
I mean like the election is 12 days away (because mail for today has already ended on the East Coast) so they better get those ballots in.

Depends on the state, some will still count it if postmarked on Election Day.

In Florida, vote by mail requests terminate on November 2 and must be received no later than 7 PM on Election Day. Therefore, to ensure that the votes are counted, they should be sent by November 1 or 2 or hand-delivered to a voting station on Election Day itself

Thanks for the official word!

You're welcome.

Now for an interesting treat...here are some SOUTH Carolina early voting demographics

White: 108,256 (66.8%)
African-American: 52,936 (32.7%)
Hispanic: 638 (0.4%)
Unknown: 113 (0.1%)

WOW! Looks better than I expected.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 26, 2016, 05:58:21 PM
And some Wisconsin absentee stats for 10/26

Dane and Milwaukee (Dem counties) make up 29% of the early vote. They were 26% of the 2012 statewide vote.

Waukesha, Ozaukee and Washington (Republican counties) make up 14.6% of the early vote. They were 12.3% of the 2012 statewide vote. So I think Clinton needs to shore up Wisconsin


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 26, 2016, 06:00:32 PM
In Florida, Democrats have requested 3557 more absentee ballots + votes in VBM but the GOP has about a 35.5K lead in just ballots cast. Are some Dems requesting VBM ballots and deciding to vote in person?
They could just not be returning their ballots.

Or because they're no immediately filling out the ballots...
I mean like the election is 12 days away (because mail for today has already ended on the East Coast) so they better get those ballots in.

Depends on the state, some will still count it if postmarked on Election Day.

In Florida, vote by mail requests terminate on November 2 and must be received no later than 7 PM on Election Day. Therefore, to ensure that the votes are counted, they should be sent by November 1 or 2 or hand-delivered to a voting station on Election Day itself

Thanks for the official word!

You're welcome.

Now for an interesting treat...here are some SOUTH Carolina early voting demographics

White: 108,256 (66.8%)
African-American: 52,936 (32.7%)
Hispanic: 638 (0.4%)
Unknown: 113 (0.1%)

Whoa! Higher than Georgia (the white vote too though). What's it like in the past.

I think this is about normal for SC


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 26, 2016, 06:11:49 PM
i guess SC whites are even more lopsided anti-dem, otherwise reps couldn't win that state like that.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 26, 2016, 06:28:33 PM
And some Wisconsin absentee stats for 10/26

Dane and Milwaukee (Dem counties) make up 29% of the early vote. They were 26% of the 2012 statewide vote.

Waukesha, Ozaukee and Washington (Republican counties) make up 14.6% of the early vote. They were 12.3% of the 2012 statewide vote. So I think Clinton needs to shore up Wisconsin

Wisconsin is never decided in the 5 core counties, the outstate is what is important.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Devout Centrist on October 26, 2016, 07:47:47 PM
http://www.wkow.com//story/33488042/2016/10/26/city-of-madison-shatters-early-voting-record#.WBFOSrbiwOA.twitter


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Badger on October 26, 2016, 08:06:08 PM
Good numbers from CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/26/politics/early-voting-statistics-2016-election/index.html

Arizona
Dems ahead by 4,116 votes, a major improvement from their position at this time four years ago, when they trailed by 21,179.

Colorado
Democrats have outvoted Republicans by more than 10,000. At this point in 2012, Republicans had the advantage by about 7,600 votes.

Florida
Republicans currently hold an 18,120-vote advantage, a paltry amount compared to their 113,222-vote edge at this time in 2008.

Nevada
Democrats hold a nearly 15,000-vote lead, a slight improvement from their position in 2012.

North Carolina
Democrats better than their 2012 pace, but Black vote only 25% share vs 30% in 2012.

Utah
At this point in 2012, Republicans led Democrats in early voting by more than 31,000 voters. But so far this year, the GOP advantage is only 15,834.

Iowa
Democrats are ahead of Republicans in the latest early vote count, but their margin is lower than it was at this point in 2012, to the tune of about 7,200 votes


That's surprising about Nevada . from all I'd been reading I thought Democrats were absolutely romping in the early vote. I'd assumed compared to previous years , but apparently incorrectly .


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 26, 2016, 08:17:12 PM
That's surprising about Nevada . from all I'd been reading I thought Democrats were absolutely romping in the early vote. I'd assumed compared to previous years , but apparently incorrectly .

They are romping-- they just also romped in 2012, when Obama won Nevada by 7 pts despite many polls suggesting otherwise.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Crumpets on October 26, 2016, 08:52:29 PM
Interesting vote tracker for North Carolina from Upshot:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/north-carolina-early-vote-tracker.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

I don't know if they have one for other states.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 26, 2016, 09:11:58 PM
Democrats win by 45 votes in Washoe County in the in-person early vote today (4,051-4,006)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Thomas D on October 26, 2016, 09:24:25 PM
Nate Cohn @Nate_Cohn:

Clinton has an even larger 66 to 28 percent lead among those early voters (n=47) who did not vote in the 2012 election.

Re:North Carolina


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Mehmentum on October 26, 2016, 09:26:04 PM
Democrats win by 45 votes in Washoe County in the in-person early vote today (4,051-4,006)
Kind of underwhelming.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 26, 2016, 09:28:53 PM
Democrats win by 45 votes in Washoe County in the in-person early vote today (4,051-4,006)
Kind of underwhelming.

Not really given the first couple of days.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 26, 2016, 09:32:23 PM
not underwhelmung...more like deadly for republicans.

dems only lead by about 1k votes in 2012 in washoe early voting, but "cancelling" the second largest county, which has a rep edge, was enough to make all of nevada blue, since clark county is such a giant that all the rest can't compete.

killing all rep edge so early is the reason, the rep congressman from CD3 panicked.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: RJEvans on October 26, 2016, 09:33:20 PM
Interesting vote tracker for North Carolina from Upshot:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/north-carolina-early-vote-tracker.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

I don't know if they have one for other states.

I'm curious to see how accurate this may be.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Panda Express on October 26, 2016, 09:47:04 PM
Colorado Daily Update


Less ballots returned yesterday but Dems still expand their lead. Republicans are now running under what they were at this time in 2014 (and that was a mid-term!)


14 days to Election Day 2016 v 2014. (2014 in parenthesis)

Democrats  166,605 (105,401)
Republicans  141,354 (145,824)
Independent 103,354 (77,285)

TOTAL 416,951 (332,050)

Total turnout up 26%


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 26, 2016, 09:50:27 PM
washoe county 2012.....

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comparison is deadly atm.

and schale is atm deconstructing bloomberg's FL poll:

https://twitter.com/steveschale/with_replies?lang=de


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 26, 2016, 09:51:24 PM
washoe county 2012.....

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comparison is deadly atm.

and schale is atm deconstructing bloomberg's FL poll:

https://twitter.com/steveschale/with_replies?lang=de

How is it at the moment? More favorable to D?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 26, 2016, 10:02:46 PM
How is it at the moment? More favorable to D?

yeah, about doubled their advantage and without reps really winning a single day. (and i guess weekends are dem-friendly days anyway)



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on October 26, 2016, 10:04:52 PM
Nate Cohn @Nate_Cohn:

Clinton has an even larger 66 to 28 percent lead among those early voters (n=47) who did not vote in the 2012 election.

Re:North Carolina


Looks like an extremely small sample size, (47) voters???

Still.... not particularly bad news although we'll need to see much more than this to make assumptions regarding those who have already voted that did not vote in 2012.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 26, 2016, 10:09:20 PM
Nate Cohn @Nate_Cohn:

Clinton has an even larger 66 to 28 percent lead among those early voters (n=47) who did not vote in the 2012 election.

Re:North Carolina


Looks like an extremely small sample size, (47) voters???

Still.... not particularly bad news although we'll need to see much more than this to make assumptions regarding those who have already voted that did not vote in 2012.

Very small sample size but we're also seeing evidence of this in Florida with Democrats turning out more infrequent voters


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Maxwell on October 26, 2016, 10:23:05 PM
but but but trump is going to turnout new voters who have never voted before!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Smash255 on October 26, 2016, 10:58:43 PM
What is the best link to see the N.C data breakout?   

The only thing I see on the B.O.E website links to a massive excel file


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 27, 2016, 04:25:19 AM
Total number of ballots cast in all reporting jurisdictions: 12,879,802 votes making up 27.9% of 2012's early vote!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Terry the Fat Shark on October 27, 2016, 04:45:21 AM
Is there any state so far where voter turnout has gone down? Regardless of winners I love the increase in turnout this cycle!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 27, 2016, 05:13:32 AM
ofc there are...some states have changed laws and accessability of early voting.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 27, 2016, 05:19:02 AM
http://www.electproject.org/early_2016

Some early votes so far
Arizona  Democrats 278,507    36.4%,   Republicans 296,495   38.7%
Colorado  Democrats 166,605   40.0%,   Republicans 141,354   33.9%
Florida     Democrats 830,341   40.8%,   Republicans 835,252   41.0%
Iowa        Democrats 156,535   45.7%,   Republicans 115,699   33.8%, About 40,836 lead!
Nevada     Democrats 105,543   45.7%,   Republicans  81,998   35.5%
North Carolina   Democrats 382,587   47.1%,  Republicans   231,940   28.6%

One question, how is the early vote in Florida now compared to the same time in 2012?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Brittain33 on October 27, 2016, 05:56:35 AM
One question, how is the early vote in Florida now compared to the same time in 2012?

Every time I've seen this come up, the answer is that laws changed or data isn't available so people don't know.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 27, 2016, 05:58:41 AM
One question, how is the early vote in Florida now compared to the same time in 2012?

Every time I've seen this come up, the answer is that laws changed or data isn't available so people don't know.


I did some searching and the republicans had a 6% lead in 2012!
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=157569.500

Florida

Quote
Voted ballots
Party          Total             %
REP        504,940    45%
DEM        445,862    39%
IND        183,527    16%
Total     1,134,329    

Outstanding requests:
Party           Total              %
REP        575,069    39%
DEM        600,629    40%
IND        312,058    21%
Total     1,487,756    

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/#storylink=cpy


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gustaf on October 27, 2016, 06:10:11 AM
From following the discussion here it seems like there are some states (like Iowa) where Democrats tend to dominate the early vote and others (like Florida) where Republicans do. Why is that?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 27, 2016, 06:33:58 AM
not early voting in general....mail votes, and i guess this is about the dispositions of old people.

old iowans still hate the GOP i guess...and old inhabitants of FL are more conservative.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 27, 2016, 07:36:33 AM
Georgia: Doesn't look great for Clinton (compared to final early vote #s of previous years, but not safe for Trump either. Counties are required to have Saturday voting in 2 days which should help, plus sites dramatically expand in Gwinnett and others starting Monday the 31st.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=164112.msg3507207#msg3507207

2008 Early Vote:
White: 60.4%
Black: 34.9%
Other: 4.7%

2012 Early Vote:
White: 59.0%
Black: 33.7%
Other: 7.3%

2016 Early Vote:
White: 61.6%
Black: 28.5%
Other: 9.9%


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on October 27, 2016, 07:45:32 AM
Tom Bonier ‏@tbonier
OH Dem surge continues - Cuyahoga/Franklin now account for 21.4% of EV. Were 15.2% last Thursday, and 20% yesterday.

Belal Said ‏@BelalMSaid
@tbonier how does that compare to 2012?
Tom Bonier
Tom Bonier –  ‏@tbonier

@BelalMSaid 26.9%. So the upward trend will need to continue. But the early underperformance may just have been overwhelmed clerks.
5:18 AM - 27 Oct 2016


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Classic Conservative on October 27, 2016, 07:49:22 AM
Tom Bonier ‏@tbonier
OH Dem surge continues - Cuyahoga/Franklin now account for 21.4% of EV. Were 15.2% last Thursday, and 20% yesterday.

Belal Said ‏@BelalMSaid
@tbonier how does that compare to 2012?
Tom Bonier
Tom Bonier –  ‏@tbonier

@BelalMSaid 26.9%. So the upward trend will need to continue. But the early underperformance may just have been overwhelmed clerks.
5:18 AM - 27 Oct 2016

https://mobile.twitter.com/ElectProject/status/791616786735038465

Michael McDonald
Michael McDonald‏ @ElectProject
This is the good news. The bad news for Dems is that Cuyahoga is -37% from 2012 voted level, Franklin is -28%


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 27, 2016, 07:50:52 AM
sounds like..other than solid dem NV...nobody can really see clear winner in NC/FL.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 27, 2016, 08:09:20 AM
sounds like..other than solid dem NV...nobody can really see clear winner in NC/FL.

Did you see this Upshot article (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/north-carolina-early-vote-tracker.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fupshot&action=click&contentCollection=upshot&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=6&pgtype=sectionfront) about North Carolina? They currently have Clinton winning the early vote 58.4-36.7 and based on that they have Clinton winning by 6 points, 49.1-43.1.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on October 27, 2016, 08:11:16 AM
sounds like..other than solid dem NV...nobody can really see clear winner in NC/FL.

Nate Cohn
Nate Cohn – Verified account ‏@Nate_Cohn

Clinton leads by 22 points among nearly 1 million N.C. early voters, according to our estimates


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 27, 2016, 08:12:34 AM
at this point/in general/on november 7th/only in-person-voting?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Adam Griffin on October 27, 2016, 08:53:33 AM
As of yesterday, Georgia crossed the one million mark in early votes/ballot requests (1,049,670). As a share of registered voters, 20.02% have voted or requested ballots thus far.

Here are two maps: one showing the percentage of early voters to have voted/requested thus far, and the other showing that number as above/below the statewide percentage. You can click on each county for more information.

County EV (10/26) Turnout As Share of RV (https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?docid=1Yok0-BasUhS-dDN5b8VbVjT-4ZO8VgQLJaHgez3O) (Click on the "map of geometry" tab at the top, since for whatever reason, I can't get this map to directly link this morning)

County EV (10/26) Turnout As Share of RV: Above/Below State Turnout (https://fusiontables.google.com/embedviz?q=select+col13%3E%3E1+from+15pGcm66ORVxidtzD8ZhOLTcTbXN66tnYvul2Afd5&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=32.82922878779947&lng=-82.79377351562505&t=1&z=7&l=col13%3E%3E1&y=2&tmplt=2&hml=KML)

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 27, 2016, 09:03:16 AM
Cool! Is that requests though? (check Ballot Status = A)
http://www.electproject.org/early_2016

It says Michael has 1.04M requests, and 936K voted.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Adam Griffin on October 27, 2016, 09:10:56 AM
Cool! Is that requests though? (check Ballot Status = A)
http://www.electproject.org/early_2016

It says Michael has 1.04M requests, and 936K voted.


It's all entries by county from the absentee spreadsheet available via SoS, so I guess it does include requested-but-not-returned ballots. I didn't think to check for that; I just counted the number of rows in each spreadsheet...all 159 of them, unfortunately, since SoS is no longer putting all of them into one file.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 27, 2016, 09:20:47 AM
http://webpierat.com/2011/05/23/merging-csv-files-using-the-command-line/

It takes about 5 minutes to stitch them together.

1. Copy the address of the extracted zip file
2. Go to CMD and type CD and paste the copied address
3. Type "copy *.csv combine.csv
4. In Excel, delete redundant headers and analyze away

Tableau Public can easily do this too, in case Excel runs into issues once rows are over 1 million (maybe PowerPivot can workaround it).


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 27, 2016, 09:46:45 AM
Steve Schale

278,701 Floridians voted early, and Democrats won the day by about 4,000.  Total in person was about 15,000 less than Tuesday.

166,962 Floridians returned a VBM ballots, and GOP on them by about 10,000.

So out of about 2.5 million votes, the GOP has a 10,000 vote lead, which plays out to about 0.47%

I get asked often how this compares to 2012.  It really doesn’t in an apple to apples form. Early voting in 2012 started on this coming Saturday, so we were only looking at VBM in 2012 on this day. The GOP had a pretty significant lead, and we did not overtake them in total votes until Sunday.


In 2008, the early voting calendar was similar to this one, though the GOP went in with a much larger VBM lead.  If memory serves me right, it was the weekend when Democrats overtook the GOP.

Hillsborough -

is the only county that voted for Bush twice and Obama twice. It has also correctly picked 19 of the last 20 Presidents.

Yesterday, Democrats carried the day by about 5 points, thanks to a 10-point advantage in VBM ballots.  Democrats maintain a 7-point (44-37) edge in total ballots cast, which is in line with our registration edge.

I-4

Orange:  46-32 D for the day.  49-31 D overall
Osceola: 48-28 D for the day.  49-29 D overall
Volusia:   42-36 R for the day. 42-38 R overall

Palm Beach continues to look good (though I’d like higher turnout):  48-30 for day, 51-30 overall (+28K).  (Obama won by 17 points)

Broward:  57-23 D for the day, and 58-24 D overall (+66K)

Dade:  45-31 D for the day, and 45-33 D overall (+33K)

Duval, even though GOP had a good day in VBM returns, Democrats once again won the in person early vote.  This is a county that Obama was able to significantly reduce the huge Bush margins of 2000 and 2004 (61K votes in 2004!)

Duval:  44-43 R for the day, 44-41 R overall (+1,000)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 27, 2016, 10:01:12 AM
So basically we will have a better understanding of where things stand in Florida on Monday, but things look good in the swing counties.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Confused Democrat on October 27, 2016, 10:35:45 AM
So basically we will have a better understanding of where things stand in Florida on Monday, but things look good in the swing counties.

Pretty much, yeah.



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 27, 2016, 10:37:45 AM
http://www.ktnv.com/news/ralston/the-nevada-early-voting-blog

"The latest statewide numbers, missing a few rural counties, show a 26,500 lead for the Dems in raw votes. That's 45 percent to 36 percent, the same percentage lead and 3,500 raw votes more than they had at this point in 2012 and about 3 points above the actual registration difference."


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 27, 2016, 10:42:47 AM
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  6m6 minutes ago
Colorado early vote 10/27 update:
Good news for Reps: reg Dem +5.1 today, was +6.1 y'day
Bad news: 3,581 more Dem returns, lead now +28,832


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 27, 2016, 10:46:28 AM
http://www.ktnv.com/news/ralston/the-nevada-early-voting-blog

"The latest statewide numbers, missing a few rural counties, show a 26,500 lead for the Dems in raw votes. That's 45 percent to 36 percent, the same percentage lead and 3,500 raw votes more than they had at this point in 2012 and about 3 points above the actual registration difference."

Am I the only one who is a bit disappointed that it's only on par with 2012? If Latinos are really turning out in record numbers, the margin should be wider than that, no?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 27, 2016, 10:59:35 AM
http://www.ktnv.com/news/ralston/the-nevada-early-voting-blog

"The latest statewide numbers, missing a few rural counties, show a 26,500 lead for the Dems in raw votes. That's 45 percent to 36 percent, the same percentage lead and 3,500 raw votes more than they had at this point in 2012 and about 3 points above the actual registration difference."

Am I the only one who is a bit disappointed that it's only on par with 2012?
If Latinos are really turning out in record numbers, the margin should be wider than that, no?

Intuitively, yes.

But look at the polling average.

HuffPo final polls average in 2012

Obama 50.1
Romney 46.5

HuffPo polls average as of 10/26/16

Clinton 44.5
Trump 42.1

So the fact that polls in NV are a little tighter in 2016 but Hillary is keeping her pace should tell you she is overachieving so far, if anything.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Likely Voter on October 27, 2016, 11:27:37 AM
538 throws cold water on looking too closely at early vote

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dont-read-too-much-into-early-voting/




Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Doimper on October 27, 2016, 11:33:39 AM
538 throws cold water on looking too closely at early vote

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dont-read-too-much-into-early-voting/




It seems to me if you take out the Dixiecrat states, you do get a pretty strong positive correlation between the early vote and final vote share.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 27, 2016, 11:39:47 AM
A new record of over 18.7 million Californians have registered to vote.

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016/10/25/18-7-million-california-voter-registration-sets-record/


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 27, 2016, 11:53:06 AM
Re: 538, not saying anything we don't already know. Compare vs previous years early voting not the final vote. https://twitter.com/electproject/status/791671202368544768


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on October 27, 2016, 12:01:57 PM
Re: 538, not saying anything we don't already know. Compare vs previous years early voting not the final vote. https://twitter.com/electproject/status/791671202368544768

The key points of 538 article were according to me:
Quote
Another problem is that early votes constitute only about a quarter to a third of the total electorate and are a very unrepresentative sample of it. The people the campaigns target for early voting aren’t necessarily the same sorts of voters who will show up on Election Day.
It means also that you can not really compare it to 2012, i.e. 2016 EV is not representative of 2012.

And
Quote
Generally, though, if you want to know what’s going to happen on Election Day, you’re far better off consulting the polls. Or, you know, waiting two weeks.
Yeah, that simple. Polls are better.

Uppshot model based on EV and polls is probably an exception and worth to take attention on.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 27, 2016, 12:13:40 PM
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  3m3 minutes ago
Nevada early vote (mail and in-person) update: 313K voted (for in-person, +13.1% from 2012). Reg Dems +15.9 points over Reps

Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  1m1 minute ago
Nevada already at 44.5% of their 2012 total early vote. Reps are going to have to turn things around soon for Trump to have a chance

Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  14m14 minutes ago
CORRECTION! Dems +8.9 points over Reps (unfortunately shifted the mail ballot columns)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 27, 2016, 12:32:51 PM
Steve Schale ‏@steveschale  48s48 seconds ago
Today's "low propensity" FL voter update.   GOP has turned out more "certain" voters, which is expected, due to historic VBM advantage 1/2

Steve Schale ‏@steveschale  31s31 seconds ago
But HRC continues to turn out larger share and number of new and low propensity voters. 27% of Dems, 22% of Rs, roughly 40K more voters 2/2


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 27, 2016, 12:36:31 PM
https://twitter.com/tbonier/status/791454902748938240

"Dear GOP pundits bragging about Trump "strength" in IA AV:
- Obama won AV by 20% in IA in '12
- Current D AV share is only .8% behind '12"

@tommillard Not necessarily, but there is no sign of an intensity gap in the AV. So we can assess the polls (which are mixed). I'd bet HRC+3"


Wow, Tom Bonier thinks Hillary will win, let alone possibly by +3 in IA?

I'd say +3 is too optimistic for IA but he has the model so....


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: PresidentTRUMP on October 27, 2016, 02:15:32 PM
NC early vote update:


Bill Mitchell Verified account
‏@mitchellvii

So in NC Primary turnout between 2008 and 2016, we see Democrats losing 29% and Republicans more than doubling! Obama won NC by < 1%.


Bill Mitchell Verified account
‏@mitchellvii

Republican Primary turnout in NC up from 2008 by over 100%!!!



Bill Mitchell Verified account
‏@mitchellvii

Democrat Primary turnout in NC down from 2008 by 29%.


NC looking really good for R's right now which is one of the several must win states for Trump!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 27, 2016, 02:20:42 PM
NC early vote update:


Bill Mitchell Verified account
‏@mitchellvii

So in NC Primary turnout between 2008 and 2016, we see Democrats losing 29% and Republicans more than doubling! Obama won NC by < 1%.


Bill Mitchell Verified account
‏@mitchellvii

Republican Primary turnout in NC up from 2008 by over 100%!!!



Bill Mitchell Verified account
‏@mitchellvii

Democrat Primary turnout in NC down from 2008 by 29%.


NC looking really good for R's right now which is one of the several must win states for Trump!
These numbers have nothing to do with the early vote... ?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Mehmentum on October 27, 2016, 02:21:21 PM
NC early vote update:


Bill Mitchell Verified account
‏@mitchellvii

So in NC Primary turnout between 2008 and 2016, we see Democrats losing 29% and Republicans more than doubling! Obama won NC by < 1%.


Bill Mitchell Verified account
‏@mitchellvii

Republican Primary turnout in NC up from 2008 by over 100%!!!



Bill Mitchell Verified account
‏@mitchellvii

Democrat Primary turnout in NC down from 2008 by 29%.


NC looking really good for R's right now which is one of the several must win states for Trump!
That's talking about turnout in the primaries, not the early vote, so its not really relevant to the thread.

There's no correlation between primary turnout and presidential election performance.  Each year, the primary with the higher turnout ends up being the more competitive one.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 27, 2016, 02:22:07 PM
My sources are telling me that amongst those who bought their Halloween masks early, Trump is trailing hard; some wonder if this has to do with less Halloween shops being open this year in rural white communities, though. Stay tuned to Bill Mitchell for the hottest news from the spooooky battleground.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on October 27, 2016, 02:22:32 PM
NC early vote update:


Bill Mitchell Verified account
‏@mitchellvii

So in NC Primary turnout between 2008 and 2016, we see Democrats losing 29% and Republicans more than doubling! Obama won NC by < 1%.


Bill Mitchell Verified account
‏@mitchellvii

Republican Primary turnout in NC up from 2008 by over 100%!!!



Bill Mitchell Verified account
‏@mitchellvii

Democrat Primary turnout in NC down from 2008 by 29%.


NC looking really good for R's right now which is one of the several must win states for Trump!

Posting Bill Mitchell tweets?
Seriously?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on October 27, 2016, 02:25:34 PM
NC early vote update:


Bill Mitchell Verified account
‏@mitchellvii

So in NC Primary turnout between 2008 and 2016, we see Democrats losing 29% and Republicans more than doubling! Obama won NC by < 1%.


Bill Mitchell Verified account
‏@mitchellvii

Republican Primary turnout in NC up from 2008 by over 100%!!!



Bill Mitchell Verified account
‏@mitchellvii

Democrat Primary turnout in NC down from 2008 by 29%.


NC looking really good for R's right now which is one of the several must win states for Trump!

god, this just soiled the thread


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: PresidentTRUMP on October 27, 2016, 02:25:44 PM
Ahhh yes your right, they are comparing to Primary, makes very little sense. Thought he was talking about early voting, my apologies!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Stephen on October 27, 2016, 02:32:30 PM
it seems to look very good for clinton.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 27, 2016, 03:16:01 PM
Michael McDonald
‏@ElectProject
TX early vote update: just shy of 1.4 Million people voted, running 49.9% over 2012 numbers
http://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/earlyvoting/2016/oct26.shtml


Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict  1h1 hour ago
TX early voting increases vs. '12, Day 3:
1. Travis (D) +117%
2. Williamson (R) +89%
3. El Paso (D) +83%
4. Collin (R) +71%
+50% overall

Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict  1h1 hour ago
VA: so far, absentee votes cast are already 59% of '12 totals in Arlington/Fairfax/Prince William. Only 45% of '12 totals everywhere else.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: swf541 on October 27, 2016, 03:35:23 PM
Michael McDonald
‏@ElectProject
TX early vote update: just shy of 1.4 Million people voted, running 49.9% over 2012 numbers
http://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/earlyvoting/2016/oct26.shtml


Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict  1h1 hour ago
TX early voting increases vs. '12, Day 3:
1. Travis (D) +117%
2. Williamson (R) +89%
3. El Paso (D) +83%
4. Collin (R) +71%
+50% overall

Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict  1h1 hour ago
VA: so far, absentee votes cast are already 59% of '12 totals in Arlington/Fairfax/Prince William. Only 45% of '12 totals everywhere else.

@Taniel
@Redistrict are you sure? Those aren't the comparison trends that VPAP is providing.
https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/791728401518387201

In response to the Virginia thing

Voted early in Maryland today, seemed like highish turnout for the area mostly skewed older


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 27, 2016, 03:40:43 PM
Wasserman mostly has no idea what he is talking about.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 27, 2016, 03:49:25 PM
Hmmm yeah if there are conflicting reports, I'd trust @Taniel and McDonald before Wasserman.

Also: Latino Decisions - Early vote spotlight on 3 Hidalgo Co. TX voting locations shows Latino early vote numbers up by about 60% compared to 2012.
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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: KingSweden on October 27, 2016, 03:51:22 PM
NC early vote update:


Bill Mitchell Verified account
‏@mitchellvii

So in NC Primary turnout between 2008 and 2016, we see Democrats losing 29% and Republicans more than doubling! Obama won NC by < 1%.


Bill Mitchell Verified account
‏@mitchellvii

Republican Primary turnout in NC up from 2008 by over 100%!!!



Bill Mitchell Verified account
‏@mitchellvii

Democrat Primary turnout in NC down from 2008 by 29%.


NC looking really good for R's right now which is one of the several must win states for Trump!

god, this just soiled the thread

Remember guys, Trump's turnout operation isn't in a computer, it's in our hearts


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 27, 2016, 03:53:06 PM
Clinton is dramatically outperforming the party splits in early voter sub-samples

She's up 23-26 points in NC when the party split is +17 Dem
She's up 34 points in IA when the party split is +12 Dem
She's up 10 points in AZ when the party split was even (when the poll was taken)
She's up 6 points in GA when the party split probably favors the GOP
She's up 13 points in FL when the party split (a substantial # of early votes now) was even

This means one of two things:

1. Indies in the early vote are breaking heavily Democratic, or
2. A substantial number of Republicans are defecting


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 27, 2016, 03:56:50 PM
Clinton is dramatically outperforming the party splits in early voter sub-samples

She's up 23-26 points in NC when the party split is +17 Dem
She's up 34 points in IA when the party split is +12 Dem
She's up 10 points in AZ when the party split was even (when the poll was taken)
She's up 6 points in GA when the party split probably favors the GOP

This means one of two things:

1. Indies in the early vote are breaking heavily Democratic, or
2. A substantial number of Republicans are defecting

Could be a partial mixture of the two as well.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 27, 2016, 03:59:03 PM
Clinton is dramatically outperforming the party splits in early voter sub-samples

She's up 23-26 points in NC when the party split is +17 Dem
She's up 34 points in IA when the party split is +12 Dem
She's up 10 points in AZ when the party split was even (when the poll was taken)
She's up 6 points in GA when the party split probably favors the GOP

This means one of two things:

1. Indies in the early vote are breaking heavily Democratic, or
2. A substantial number of Republicans are defecting

Could be a partial mixture of the two as well.

If it was one sub-sample from one state, then there is no trend. When we are seeing this out of every single state, then you can see the possible landslide because indies usually split evenly and the GOP usually stays 90% or more on its side. The fact that Clinton has 10% more of her base than Trump has of his is hugely important


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 27, 2016, 04:02:55 PM
Clinton is dramatically outperforming the party splits in early voter sub-samples

She's up 23-26 points in NC when the party split is +17 Dem
She's up 34 points in IA when the party split is +12 Dem
She's up 10 points in AZ when the party split was even (when the poll was taken)
She's up 6 points in GA when the party split probably favors the GOP

This means one of two things:

1. Indies in the early vote are breaking heavily Democratic, or
2. A substantial number of Republicans are defecting

Could be a partial mixture of the two as well.

If it was one sub-sample from one state, then there is no trend. When we are seeing this out of every single state, then you can see the possible landslide because indies usually split evenly and the GOP usually stays 90% or more on its side. The fact that Clinton has 10% more of her base than Trump has of his is hugely important

Good point. I'm all for a landslide :)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 27, 2016, 04:15:27 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/early-voting-more-good-signs-for-clinton-in-key-states/2016/10/27/e1fd6334-9c18-11e6-b552-b1f85e484086_story.html

"In Utah, overall ballots are up from 2012, driven by faster gains among voters ages 22 to 49, according to Catalist, a Democratic analytical firm. Republicans barely led in total ballots cast compared to independents, 38.6 percent to 38.5 percent. That could mean that Evan McMullin, a third-party candidate, is drawing support from Republicans unhappy with Trump. Democrats still trail at 19.4 percent, but they’re in an improved position from 2012, when Republicans held a 58 percent to 13 percent lead."


Muffin is holding his ground.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 27, 2016, 04:28:17 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/early-voting-more-good-signs-for-clinton-in-key-states/2016/10/27/e1fd6334-9c18-11e6-b552-b1f85e484086_story.html

"In Utah, overall ballots are up from 2012, driven by faster gains among voters ages 22 to 49, according to Catalist, a Democratic analytical firm. Republicans barely led in total ballots cast compared to independents, 38.6 percent to 38.5 percent. That could mean that Evan McMullin, a third-party candidate, is drawing support from Republicans unhappy with Trump. Democrats still trail at 19.4 percent, but they’re in an improved position from 2012, when Republicans held a 58 percent to 13 percent lead."


Muffin is holding his ground.

Shocking results there considering Romney being on the ballot in 2012.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 27, 2016, 05:06:20 PM
Michael McDonald Retweeted
Kate Amara ‏@kateamaraWBAL  1h1 hour ago
Massive!! MD Early Voting Day 1 as of 4:44pm: 92,562 voters have checked in statewide. Crushed 2012 general day 1 total: 78,409.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on October 27, 2016, 05:10:36 PM
BTW, is there usually any/big difference in AV/EV between rural compared and non-rural areas? If not, poor Trump ::)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 27, 2016, 05:12:26 PM
Adding the polling places created a huge surge in Guilford County

https://twitter.com/HPEpaul/status/791744287998353408


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 27, 2016, 05:14:07 PM
Adding the polling places created a huge surge in Guilford County

https://twitter.com/HPEpaul/status/791744287998353408
Will be interested to see the final numbers this evening.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Devout Centrist on October 27, 2016, 05:15:34 PM
15.4 million ballots cast so far.
http://www.electproject.org/early_2016


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 27, 2016, 05:29:41 PM
Texas Tribune has a great early vote tracker that compares county numbers to 2012 and 2008.

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https://apps.texastribune.org/texas-early-voting-tracker/?utm_campaign=trib-social&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=1477592335


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Virginiá on October 27, 2016, 05:52:27 PM
Adding the polling places created a huge surge in Guilford County

https://twitter.com/HPEpaul/status/791744287998353408

This should help to begin filling some of the gaps we've been seeing in African American turnout. I just hope that people who wanted to vote before but didn't still end up voting now that far more sites have been opened.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on October 27, 2016, 06:18:09 PM
Texas Tribune has a great early vote tracker that compares county numbers to 2012 and 2008.

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https://apps.texastribune.org/texas-early-voting-tracker/?utm_campaign=trib-social&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=1477592335

This is an awesome page....

Running through the numbers looks like there is a major spike in voter turnout in the heavily Democratic strongholds of Dallas, Travis, and El Paso counties, not to mention a pretty decent bump in Harris County, which is not only the largest county in the state, but quite possibly a C +10 County this year, Hidalgo seems to represent a massive surge in the heavily Democratic Rio Grange Valley....

Bexar seems to have a slower increase in total EV numbers than most other urban/suburban counties on the graph, so it will be interesting to see how this trends in what I am expecting to be a +10-12 C county this year...

EVs also appear to be high in traditionally Republican suburban counties of DFW (Tarrant, Collins, and Denton) but this does not necessarily indicate an increase in total Republican vote margins compared to '08 and '12, considering that this could also indicate a significant number of new voter registrations of younger Latinos and Millennials voting Dem, plus defection of college educated Anglos. We'll see what the final outcome is in these counties, but Collins and Denton in particular look ripe for significant defection of traditional Republican leaning voters, and also have a fast growing and educated demographic.

Fort Bend County having this spike is definitely a positive, since it is a county that has been on the "flip list" of Texas suburban counties for quite some time, and has been rapidly trending D. compared to statewide averages.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Panda Express on October 27, 2016, 06:42:12 PM
Colorado Daily Update


Another good day for the Dems


13 days to Election Day 2016 v 2014. (2014 in parenthesis)

Democrats  224,914 (139,401)
Republicans  196,082 (190,235)
Independent 143,866 (102,031)

TOTAL 572,550 (436,278)

Dem turnout up 61%
Rethuglican turnout up 3%
Independent turnout up 41%

Total turnout up 31%


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 27, 2016, 07:24:21 PM
15.4 million ballots cast so far.
http://www.electproject.org/early_2016

So we can safely say that more than 1 out of 10 voters have already cast their ballot. That's a pretty big deal!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 27, 2016, 07:29:02 PM
Texas Tribune has a great early vote tracker that compares county numbers to 2012 and 2008.

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https://apps.texastribune.org/texas-early-voting-tracker/?utm_campaign=trib-social&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=1477592335

This is an awesome page....

Running through the numbers looks like there is a major spike in voter turnout in the heavily Democratic strongholds of Dallas, Travis, and El Paso counties, not to mention a pretty decent bump in Harris County, which is not only the largest county in the state, but quite possibly a C +10 County this year, Hidalgo seems to represent a massive surge in the heavily Democratic Rio Grange Valley....

Bexar seems to have a slower increase in total EV numbers than most other urban/suburban counties on the graph, so it will be interesting to see how this trends in what I am expecting to be a +10-12 C county this year...

EVs also appear to be high in traditionally Republican suburban counties of DFW (Tarrant, Collins, and Denton) but this does not necessarily indicate an increase in total Republican vote margins compared to '08 and '12, considering that this could also indicate a significant number of new voter registrations of younger Latinos and Millennials voting Dem, plus defection of college educated Anglos. We'll see what the final outcome is in these counties, but Collins and Denton in particular look ripe for significant defection of traditional Republican leaning voters, and also have a fast growing and educated demographic.

Fort Bend County having this spike is definitely a positive, since it is a county that has been on the "flip list" of Texas suburban counties for quite some time, and has been rapidly trending D. compared to statewide averages.

Regarding Bexar, I suspect military turnout is substantially weaker this year than 2008/12.  The Hampton Roads part of VA is actually down in absentees vs. 2012 right now. 

I do think you are underestimating how Trumpy the DFW suburbs could be, particularly the Ft. Worth side.  We're now seeing polls from Oklahoma with Clinton < Obama after all.

The education levels of Collin (49.4%) and Denton (41.0%) would suggest that it is very different from Oklahoma (23.8%). Also Collin is only 59.39% non-Hispanic white and Denton is 60.87%, Oklahoma is 66.54%.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 27, 2016, 07:36:27 PM
10/27 Maine update:

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: DINGO Joe on October 27, 2016, 07:37:54 PM


I do think you are underestimating how Trumpy the DFW suburbs could be, particularly the Ft. Worth side.  We're now seeing polls from Oklahoma with Clinton < Obama after all.

A long long time ago Colin and Denton  could be viewed as Red River Valley country and similar to Oklahoma, but they are straight up suburbia now.  Even back when Ann Richards beat Clayton Williams, Republican women in Colin and Denton sick of his claptrap were integral in helping her win.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Thomas D on October 27, 2016, 08:21:24 PM
WBAL Baltimore News
@wbaltv11
Final update per MD State Board of Elections: 125,914 voters checked-in day one of early voting. Entire early voting period in 2012: 107,385


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 27, 2016, 08:23:17 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/10/early_vote_numbers_in_ohio_sug.html

Regarding Ohio, topline #s are bad for Clinton, but explained as due to reduction in early voting compared to 2012, that should reverse this weekend.

- Counties where Obama won, requests are down 4%, especially in Cuyahoga, down 17%.
- Counties where Romney won, requests are up 11% compared to 2012.

Dem Spin
- elimination of the so-called Golden Week, meaning that Ohio voters have had seven fewer days to vote this year than they did in 2012.
- Democratic counties actually are casting more ballots per day than they did four years ago.



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 27, 2016, 08:30:02 PM
Republicans seem to win Washoe County (NV) today by about 300 votes....guess we are going to need the weekend vote to learn which direction the wind is blowing.

But:

Also Clark County turnout slowed today....low turnout days advance Republicans.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 27, 2016, 08:31:56 PM
We won't know the final Clark County numbers until later. Ralston has tweeted that turnout was slowing down before only to see Clark County numbers surge to record highs by 9 PM.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 27, 2016, 08:51:18 PM
Quote
Steve Schale ‏@steveschale  10m10 minutes ago Tallahassee, FL
Over 40,000 votes in Broward today between VBM and EV.  Really impressive

Quote
Steve Schale ‏@steveschale  7m7 minutes ago Tallahassee, FL
Dade County today had fourth straight day of 30k plus in-person early vote.  Add another 16k VBM.  Almost 46.5k votes total today. #yuge


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on October 27, 2016, 08:52:29 PM
Ohio is depressing.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Devout Centrist on October 27, 2016, 08:53:06 PM
Nothing to really worry about yet. Clinton will probably win by 2.5% or so.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 27, 2016, 08:54:04 PM
The modeling of the early vote has Democrats doing comparatively to 2012.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 27, 2016, 08:58:03 PM
schale's tweets are super-interesting but he seems a little bit vague (i understand that we are going to know much more after this weekend).....in general he says it is fine but not good enough right now.

if the dems overtake the GOP and start banking votes, i guess we can sleep better.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Virginiá on October 27, 2016, 08:59:03 PM
WBAL Baltimore News
@wbaltv11
Final update per MD State Board of Elections: 125,914 voters checked-in day one of early voting. Entire early voting period in 2012: 107,385

Wow. Shame MD only holds legislative elections during midterms, else this year would probably be a jackpot for Democrats.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on October 27, 2016, 09:06:00 PM
schale's tweets are super-interesting but he seems a little bit vague (i understand that we are going to know much more after this weekend).....in general he says it is fine but not good enough right now.

if the dems overtake the GOP and start banking votes, i guess we can sleep better.

read between the lines, he's ecstatic


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 27, 2016, 09:08:22 PM
schale's tweets are super-interesting but he seems a little bit vague (i understand that we are going to know much more after this weekend).....in general he says it is fine but not good enough right now.

if the dems overtake the GOP and start banking votes, i guess we can sleep better.

read between the lines, he's ecstatic

This and he's privy to much more information than we are.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 27, 2016, 09:12:44 PM

you are absolutely correct, i am just not sure if this is his personality as a professional democratic personality or a honest broker.

while...i am a natural doubter anyway. ;) weekend will be great!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 27, 2016, 09:16:36 PM
Republicans seem to win Washoe County (NV) today by about 300 votes....guess we are going to need the weekend vote to learn which direction the wind is blowing.

But:

Also Clark County turnout slowed today....low turnout days advance Republicans.

Is this normal for a Candidate that is supposedly 6-9% ahead nationally to be having a hard time in Nevada and Ohio. What would you estimate based on this information?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 27, 2016, 09:18:52 PM
Is this normal for a Candidate that is supposedly 6-9% ahead nationally to be having a hard time in Nevada and Ohio.

she is NOT having a hard time in NV.

(OH is to the right of the nation and one of the most perfectly-tailored states for trump at all)

in fact....she is weak in the northeast compared to obama and stroooong in the south and in CA.

so yeah, this works out just fine....just not at the same pacing in every state.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: KingSweden on October 27, 2016, 09:23:05 PM
WBAL Baltimore News
@wbaltv11
Final update per MD State Board of Elections: 125,914 voters checked-in day one of early voting. Entire early voting period in 2012: 107,385

Wow. Shame MD only holds legislative elections during midterms, else this year would probably be a jackpot for Democrats.

Can Dems maximize their map much more in MD?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 27, 2016, 09:31:25 PM
WBAL Baltimore News
@wbaltv11
Final update per MD State Board of Elections: 125,914 voters checked-in day one of early voting. Entire early voting period in 2012: 107,385

Wow. Shame MD only holds legislative elections during midterms, else this year would probably be a jackpot for Democrats.

Can Dems maximize their map much more in MD?

They lost some seats in 2014.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Virginiá on October 27, 2016, 09:36:00 PM
WBAL Baltimore News
@wbaltv11
Final update per MD State Board of Elections: 125,914 voters checked-in day one of early voting. Entire early voting period in 2012: 107,385

Wow. Shame MD only holds legislative elections during midterms, else this year would probably be a jackpot for Democrats.

Can Dems maximize their map much more in MD?

The Congressional map is maxed out, the State Senate could be beefed up a little bit more, and they could probably expand their State House majority by up to 15 - 20 seats or so.

But I don't know about a presidential year. These years are when the Democratic coalition is at its best, and in a state like Maryland that has a very large minority population, that could make a good bit of difference given the tendencies of young & non-white voters to sit out midterms.

I do know that their legislative terms are a bit redundant. Both chambers have 4 year terms and no staggered elections, so it seems pointless. They should at least have the House hold elections every 2 years.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on October 27, 2016, 09:58:19 PM
Nebraska, and specifically NE-02 looking good

Douglas #NE02
Requests
D 33,106 47%
R 24,621 35%
I 12,824 18%
Total 71,179

Returns
D 22,063 48%
R 16,145 35%
I 7,104 16%
Total 45,559


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 27, 2016, 10:00:20 PM
EXCLUSIVE FL early vote stat: Of the 2.47m votes cast as of this am,
1/5 (514k) cast by voters who didn't vote in 2012

 D 37%
NPA 24%
 R 34%
https://twitter.com/electionsmith/status/791835826153979904

i wonder where they found soooo many unaffiliated voters in FL...hahah ahah ahaha......


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 27, 2016, 10:08:27 PM
more FL fun....

EXCLUSIVE: Of the 514k EIP & VBM who've voted in FL but who skipped 2012 or registered subsequently:

67% white

8% black

17% Hispanic


In FL, 53% of registered "Active" voters are women, 45% are men.

Of those who have voted as of this am...

54% women

44% men

https://twitter.com/electionsmith/status/791837496954978304



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 27, 2016, 10:23:28 PM

Of 998.2k Ds voted,

59.5% w

13.4% H

22.3% b

Of 1.01m Rs voted,

85.7% w

10.5% H

.7% b


https://twitter.com/electionsmith/status/791841359892213760


seems like a strong hispanic GOP vote right now...and an abysmal black vote.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 27, 2016, 10:26:44 PM

Of 998.2k Ds voted,

59.5% w

13.4% H

22.3% b

Of 1.01m Rs voted,

85.7% w

10.5% H

.7% b


https://twitter.com/electionsmith/status/791841359892213760


seems like a strong hispanic GOP vote right now...and an abysmal black vote.

Where is this?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 27, 2016, 10:29:51 PM

pardon, still florida. :)

tons and tons of data....


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 27, 2016, 10:31:20 PM

These results in specific are, overall, good for D, right?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 27, 2016, 10:35:15 PM
These results in specific are, overall, good for D, right?

they are still lacking regarding hispanic support but they have potential.

in 3-4 days the experts promise they can deliver good projections.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 27, 2016, 10:35:56 PM
These results in specific are, overall, good for D, right?

they are still lacking regarding hispanic support but they have potential.

in 3-4 days the experts promise they can deliver good projections.

Thanks. Please keep us updated. It's much appreciated :)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on October 27, 2016, 10:37:59 PM
These results in specific are, overall, good for D, right?

they are still lacking regarding hispanic support but they have potential.

in 3-4 days the experts promise they can deliver good projections.

Thanks. Please keep us updated. It's much appreciated :)


As VBM stats are older and whiter, as each day of EIP takes place, the demos become more diverse. Look what happens after this weekend - you'll see hispanic and black percentages increase.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Xing on October 27, 2016, 10:53:15 PM
These results in specific are, overall, good for D, right?

they are still lacking regarding hispanic support but they have potential.

in 3-4 days the experts promise they can deliver good projections.

I definitely would not assume all Republican-registered Hispanics in Florida are voting for Trump.

Yeah, that's probably the catch. I would bet a decent number of Latinos in Florida and places like Texas will be voting for Hillary.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 27, 2016, 11:00:45 PM
It makes sense that FL would have a few Hispanic Republicans. Cubans have usually voted GOP, but this might be the year when they finally realign.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Holmes on October 27, 2016, 11:04:35 PM
Florida still hasn't had one weekend of early voting yet. The numbers will go crazy over the next three days.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 27, 2016, 11:46:45 PM
16 million mark has been passed, as per: http://www.electproject.org/early_2016

It is currently 35% of the 2012 total with a big early vote weekend coming up.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 28, 2016, 12:01:15 AM
I think we'll pretty much know where things stand after Souls to the Polls on Sunday.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 28, 2016, 06:45:49 AM
Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports 6h6 hours ago
Dems won Clark County by 3K votes today, but GOP had best day yet in only losing by that much. 44-34, Dems. Reg is 43-29. Dem lead now 36K.

0 replies 25 retweets 58 likes


Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports 7h7 hours ago
Jon Ralston Retweeted Tyler Dinucci

Actually, it's bigger than that. The 2,400 number is mail and early; in 2012, the Dem lead in Washoe was about 700 with both after a week.

Jon Ralston added,


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Chaddyr23 on October 28, 2016, 06:51:08 AM
schale's tweets are super-interesting but he seems a little bit vague (i understand that we are going to know much more after this weekend).....in general he says it is fine but not good enough right now.

if the dems overtake the GOP and start banking votes, i guess we can sleep better.

read between the lines, he's ecstatic

This and he's privy to much more information than we are.


I'm starting to worry. AA Hispanic turnout isn't where it needs to be at all


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on October 28, 2016, 06:51:29 AM
BTW, is there usually any/big difference in AV/EV between rural compared and non-rural areas? If not, poor Trump ::)

Anybody?

And the same applies to education. We clearly see a widining education/rural–urban gap in this election. If different groups have different patterns of early voting, it could explain Trump's lagging. At least partly.

That's why EV sample might be non-representetive of all voters, as 538 mentioned.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on October 28, 2016, 07:20:31 AM
Retweeted (only the first one) by Nate Cohn, Upshot.

https://twitter.com/electionsmith/status/791836459506495488
Quote
EXCLUSIVE:
Of the 514k EIP & VBM who've voted in FL but who skipped 2012 or registered subsequently:
67% white
8% black
17% Hispanic

Quote
among active FL voters,
64.5% white
15.6% Hispanic
13.4% black


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 28, 2016, 07:29:42 AM
NC 10/28:

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on October 28, 2016, 07:39:40 AM


https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/791980869191733249
Quote
NC Dems made up lost ground from last week of poll closures, now running -6.9% behind 2012. Reps actually running +0.3% ahead of 2012
Quote
Can't expect Dems to make up all lost ground in one day. Will see how this all shakes out in the coming days.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 28, 2016, 08:43:27 AM
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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 28, 2016, 08:45:10 AM
Steve Schale

Here are the totals:

Vote By Mail: 127,298 votes, GOP won (42-37-21), or just under 6K votes
In Person Early Vote: 263,964 votes, Dems won (40-39-21) or just over 3K votes*

This brings us into total votes 2,864,666 with leading GOP up just over 14K votes. (+0.5%)

One other big picture number: There are almost 60,000 more Democrats in Florida with a vote by mail ballot that they have not returned.  In total, about 57.3% of Republican VBM ballot requests have been returned, compared to 52.6% of Democrats.

SIDE NOTE FROM STEVE TO DEMOCRATS:  RETURN YOUR DARN BALLOTS!

Hillsborough

We won both the early vote and the vote by mail tabulations, and now carry a 12,500 vote lead (+6.8%). And keep in mind, Hillsborough has correctly picked 19 of the last 20 Presidents.

I-4
In total for the day, 108,000 votes were cast in the I-4 counties, with D’s winning 41-38-21.
The I-4 counties have contributed nearly 800,000 ballots, or about 28% of all ballots cast in Florida, with Democrats holding a 42.4-37.5% (+38,000) lead.

Broward:  Democrats now lead by 69,900 votes, or 58-23% lead.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: libertpaulian on October 28, 2016, 08:51:28 AM
Wowza...Virginia.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 28, 2016, 08:58:49 AM
Regarding PA and MI on the above chart:

Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  20s21 seconds ago
Michael McDonald Retweeted Carrie Dann
PA shouldn't be on chart. An excuse-required state will have low single digits of early votes skewing older and Rep

Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  1m1 minute ago
MI also excuse required absentee voting. One of the excuses is that you're age 60 or older. Skews that state's numbers, too.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 28, 2016, 09:10:12 AM
Status on OR

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/28/1587774/-One-more-state-where-Democratic-turnout-is-looking-good

In 2008 Barack Obama won 13 counties
In 2012, he only won 10 counties in the state, and four of the top seven in population.

"Registered Democrats currently have turned in more ballots than Republicans in 17 of Oregon’s 36 counties. Including all seven of the most populous counties. Currently Democratic turnout is at 14.8% and Republican turnout is 12.2%. This is not normal. Usually, unless it is a very good election for us, Republican turnout is at east as high as Democratic turnout."

So far 49.7% of voters are Democrats to 29.7% Republicans. In registered voters, Democrats lead 38.9% to 28.2%, so that 2.6% edge in turnout so far leads to us significantly outperforming registration.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 28, 2016, 09:18:17 AM
Steve Schale

Here are the totals:

Vote By Mail: 127,298 votes, GOP won (42-37-21), or just under 6K votes
In Person Early Vote: 263,964 votes, Dems won (40-39-21) or just over 3K votes*

This brings us into total votes 2,864,666 with leading GOP up just over 14K votes. (+0.5%)

One other big picture number: There are almost 60,000 more Democrats in Florida with a vote by mail ballot that they have not returned.  In total, about 57.3% of Republican VBM ballot requests have been returned, compared to 52.6% of Democrats.

SIDE NOTE FROM STEVE TO DEMOCRATS:  RETURN YOUR DARN BALLOTS!

Hillsborough

We won both the early vote and the vote by mail tabulations, and now carry a 12,500 vote lead (+6.8%). And keep in mind, Hillsborough has correctly picked 19 of the last 20 Presidents.

I-4
In total for the day, 108,000 votes were cast in the I-4 counties, with D’s winning 41-38-21.
The I-4 counties have contributed nearly 800,000 ballots, or about 28% of all ballots cast in Florida, with Democrats holding a 42.4-37.5% (+38,000) lead.

Broward:  Democrats now lead by 69,900 votes, or 58-23% lead.

Another interesting point he made was that before in person voting started the electorate was 80% white, after 4 days of in person early voting its dropped to 72%.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 28, 2016, 10:02:35 AM
https://twitter.com/CNNJason/status/791789132603424768
10/27 5PM data
Overall, Dems up everywhere except North Carolina.

Florida
GOP up 0.3%
In 2008, they were up 6.8% (lack of 2012 data)

North Carolina
Dems up 18.4%.
In 2012, they were up 20.5%

Nevada
Dems up 11.3%
In 2012, they were up 10%

Colorado
Dems up 5.6%
In 2012, they were DOWN 1.7%


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 28, 2016, 10:04:18 AM
dems are going to win the coasts this time in unseen fashion.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Person Man on October 28, 2016, 10:06:34 AM
So, it would take something big in Nevada, Colorado, or Florida stop them there. North Carolina seems rough but it has good polling. I think my map is good at this point.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: KingSweden on October 28, 2016, 10:08:47 AM
Consider that polling place changes can be affecting NC numbers. I don't know how you'd adjust for it, but you'd expect Dems to be behind


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 28, 2016, 10:12:11 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/27/politics/early-voting-update-clinton-trump-election-2016/
Updated 10/28 9AM.

Arizona swinging back to GOP, but bad compared to 2012. Warning signs for Clinton in North Carolina and Georgia. Good signs for Clinton in CO, FL, NV

Arizona
Republicans are leading now, 1.7%, but well off the 8.5% lead they had at this point in 2012.

Colorado
Democrats have doubled their lead this week, from 10K to 24K. GOP had a lead of 6K at this point in 2012.

Florida
GOP leads by 6K now. They were leading by 18K earlier in the week.

Georgia
Black voters are 30% of electorate, compared to 34% in 2012 at this point.

Nevada
Dems lead by 11.3%, ahead of their 10% edge in 2012 at the same point.

North Carolina
Black share of vote is 24% today, compared to 30% in 2012. White vote is 72% now compared to 64%.



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 28, 2016, 10:15:41 AM
NC are in a good position right now to overtake their 2012 numbers soon.

have halved their 2012 deficit the last 48 hours afaik.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 28, 2016, 10:23:53 AM
(((Harry Enten)))Verified account
‏@ForecasterEnten
@ralstonreports Is the cake mostly baked in NV cause of the early vote? (at least in the prez race...)

Jon Ralston
‏@RalstonReports Jon Ralston Retweeted (((Harry Enten)))
Not quite yet, but pretty close. If Democrats get up to 60,000 or so raw vote lead in Clark, which looks likely, bye bye Trump.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Hydera on October 28, 2016, 10:26:22 AM
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Surge in early voting after polling locations increased in NC.

The preferences of unaffiliated voters is like a mystery box now.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gustaf on October 28, 2016, 10:42:10 AM
more FL fun....

EXCLUSIVE: Of the 514k EIP & VBM who've voted in FL but who skipped 2012 or registered subsequently:

67% white

8% black

17% Hispanic


In FL, 53% of registered "Active" voters are women, 45% are men.

Of those who have voted as of this am...

54% women

44% men

https://twitter.com/electionsmith/status/791837496954978304



2012 FL exit polls had it at 67-13-17, so not much change except a weird drop in black turnout. What's all the rest supposed to be?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: jamestroll on October 28, 2016, 10:44:52 AM
I would not really overthink absentee and early voting to predict final results. There are still a significant amount of voters who vote on election day.

Absentee balloting, I understand. I am in a situation myself where I live in one state, but vote and have residence in another.

It is logical to have absentee voting, of course. And it would be logical to allow early voting 1 week before election day.

But this month long to 45 day early voting, I really am not a fan of. At all.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 28, 2016, 10:45:13 AM
What's all the rest supposed to be?

"unknown", a category mostly filled with rarely voting latinos.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 28, 2016, 10:45:57 AM
I would not really overthink absentee and early voting to predict final results. There are still a significant amount of voters who vote on election day.

depends on state and year.

this year it will be record-breaking and settle some states for good.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Virginiá on October 28, 2016, 11:00:39 AM
2012 FL exit polls had it at 67-13-17, so not much change except a weird drop in black turnout. What's all the rest supposed to be?

I wonder why that is. I would have to assume that such a drop right now is something that will eventually even out, even if only on election day. Even in 2004, before Obama, African American's share of the FL electorate was 12% (vs 13% in 2008/2012)

A 5% drop would be an unmitigated disaster for Democrats.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 28, 2016, 11:02:03 AM
relax.

hispanic turnout increased and florida started with EIPV just a few days ago.

if it is still the same next tuesday, you can worry.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 28, 2016, 11:03:16 AM
You can't accurately measure what black turnout will be until Souls to the Polls on Sunday.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 28, 2016, 11:05:22 AM
For people concerned about NC, they should really check out NYT Upshots daily projection for NC. It is based on the early vote data and the data they got polling the state. Hillary's lead has gone up since it went live a couple days ago. I think there is going to be a good % of Registered Republicans in South Charlotte and the Raleigh-Durham area that will go for Clinton. You can see it in the map they made from polling data. This wouldn't clearly show up in other polls because I imagine many of those folks no longer self identify as Republicans.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Virginiá on October 28, 2016, 11:06:40 AM
relax.

hispanic turnout increased and florida started with EIPV just a few days ago.

if it is still the same next tuesday, you can worry.

Oh I'm not really worried. I might have been if it said 11% but 8% is too far off to mark for me to consider it a valid representation of 2016's FL electorate. Such a collapse in turnout within just a 4 year time span is wildly unrealistic unless say, Republicans had reintroduced a watered down version of Jim Crow voting restrictions.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 28, 2016, 11:08:30 AM
after this weekend dems should be FAR AHEAD of their 2012 numbers in NC if the last 2 days are a symbol of anything.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 28, 2016, 11:12:01 AM
2012 FL exit polls had it at 67-13-17, so not much change except a weird drop in black turnout. What's all the rest supposed to be?

I wonder why that is. I would have to assume that such a drop right now is something that will eventually even out, even if only on election day. Even in 2004, before Obama, African American's share of the FL electorate was 12% (vs 13% in 2008/2012)

A 5% drop would be an unmitigated disaster for Democrats.

Those numbers are of people who didn't either didn't vote in 2012 or are newly registered voters since 2012.

Before early voting the white vote from all VBM was 80%, after 4 days of in person voting it's down to 72%. I imagine that number will drop even more after this weekend. Also Micheal McDonald said that the Republican advantage due to VBM could be coming to an end and Democrats currently have more outstanding ballots.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Virginiá on October 28, 2016, 11:17:25 AM
Those numbers are of people who didn't either didn't vote in 2012 or are newly registered voters since 2012.

Ohh whoops!

BUT still, if it is among new / non-2012 voters, shouldn't African American turnout (among that group) still eventually average out to 12% - 13%? Since it doesn't, at least right now, couldn't that be interpreted to either be a slowing of African American participation post-Obama or perhaps that because African American participation in FL is already so high, it can't go much higher? (particularly in FL with almost 1/4 black adults being disenfranchised)



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 28, 2016, 11:18:29 AM
Michael McDonald
‏@ElectProject
TX #earlyvote 10/28 update: nearly 1.8 Million voted, up 49.9% same days before election in 2012
http://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/earlyvoting/index.shtml


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 28, 2016, 11:20:25 AM
Those numbers are of people who didn't either didn't vote in 2012 or are newly registered voters since 2012.

Ohh whoops!

BUT still, if it is among new / non-2012 voters, shouldn't African American turnout (among that group) still eventually average out to 12% - 13%? Since it doesn't, at least right now, couldn't that be interpreted to either be a slowing of African American participation post-Obama or perhaps that because African American participation in FL is already so high, it can't go much higher? (particularly in FL with almost 1/4 black adults being disenfranchised)

My guess is it's the second point you made. Much more room to grow in many states with the Latino electorate, while the black vote is essentially maxed out.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Terry the Fat Shark on October 28, 2016, 11:21:39 AM
I wish we could get partisan breakdown from Texas but in TX we don't register along partisan lines and so...speaking of which, I plan on early voting in Tarrant County tomorrow, I'll let y'all know how the lines are, I've been hearing of a lot of long lines lately.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 28, 2016, 11:47:34 AM
KS Sec. of State ‏@KansasSOS
So far statewide, 153,603 votes cast in this election. Compared to 117,086 in 2012.

That's a 31% increase over 2012.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 28, 2016, 11:49:06 AM
All signs point to a very high turnout election. Good news for Democrats, of course.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 28, 2016, 11:49:26 AM
from michael:

turnout up everywhere...besides midwest.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Absolution9 on October 28, 2016, 11:59:40 AM
All signs point to a very high turnout election. Good news for Democrats, of course.

Tough to tell.  What's odd is that 67% of all new and non-2012 voters in Florida are white.  I would have thought that the white vote was more maxed out than that similar to how the black vote appears.  Assumed that Hispanics would have made up a much higher portion of the new voters as they have had very low turnout rates in the past.  That's looks like a positive for Republicans honestly.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: libertpaulian on October 28, 2016, 01:04:10 PM
All signs point to a very high turnout election. Good news for Democrats, of course.

Tough to tell.  What's odd is that 67% of all new and non-2012 voters in Florida are white.  I would have thought that the white vote was more maxed out than that similar to how the black vote appears.  Assumed that Hispanics would have made up a much higher portion of the new voters as they have had very low turnout rates in the past.  That's looks like a positive for Republicans honestly.
Unless a decent chunk of those white people are little old ladies who are near death and want to see a woman President before they kick the bucket.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on October 28, 2016, 01:07:52 PM
All signs point to a very high turnout election. Good news for Democrats, of course.
EV is becoming more popular, so probably no. Hard to say now.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 28, 2016, 01:15:18 PM
All signs point to a very high turnout election. Good news for Democrats, of course.
EV is becoming more popular, so probably no. Hard to say now.
What does that even mean?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Virginiá on October 28, 2016, 01:17:00 PM
I wonder if it is indeed the case that a rapid shift in enthusiasm occurs, that we will see in the early voting data by next weekend, or perhaps sooner?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Hydera on October 28, 2016, 01:20:10 PM
Except for those who arent voting and claim they arent going to vote "because i dont have time" after being told about absentee mail ballots when in reality they dont want to admit that their not going to vote.

I dont know why a large percentage of voters in states with early voting, place a huge importance on voting exactly on election day when they could of done it much earlier.  I remember hearing every election cycle about polling booths packed before the time is up for voting and many people on line leaving after being frustrated with being in line for so long. The Democrats did good communication this time to get people to vote early but the next four years and not even on election year should be focused on educating and convincing their voters to vote early if their state has the option.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: fldemfunds on October 28, 2016, 01:38:36 PM
2012 FL exit polls had it at 67-13-17, so not much change except a weird drop in black turnout. What's all the rest supposed to be?

I wonder why that is. I would have to assume that such a drop right now is something that will eventually even out, even if only on election day. Even in 2004, before Obama, African American's share of the FL electorate was 12% (vs 13% in 2008/2012)

A 5% drop would be an unmitigated disaster for Democrats.

There has not been any weekend early voting yet, let alone the big souls to the polls drive. This weekend, Dems should take a decent lead in overall turnout. And in FL, NPAs/Independents tend to be Dem-leaning. So even though GOP ahead by 0.5%, HRC likely up 2-3% in overall voting.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: fldemfunds on October 28, 2016, 01:46:19 PM
Based on EIP/VBM voting, I would not be surprised to see an HRC win by 5-7% in FL. It really depends on turnout on election day. Election day determines whether FL is bad for the GOP or atrocious for the GOP.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 28, 2016, 01:50:28 PM
Mark Rountree, the Landmark pollster, estimates Hillary could be ahead by 10K in the early vote for Georgia. He thinks she's doing better than Obama 2012 (Romney+8), worse than Obama 2008 (McCain+5)

This is despite the black share being down at 30% vs 33% at this point in 2012... Perhaps he's seeing an overrepresentation of whites that vote in the Democratic primaries.

https://twitter.com/MarkRountreeAtl/status/792072380902408192?lang=en


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 28, 2016, 01:51:12 PM
clark county (NV) looking stronger today....
https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/792073071356108800?lang=de


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 28, 2016, 02:03:51 PM
Guilford is taking these new EV hours to heart. Over 20k voters today, only 2k below yesterday w/ hours to go
https://twitter.com/wccubbison/status/792075656582537217?lang=de

is this a democratic county?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Hydera on October 28, 2016, 02:06:40 PM
Guilford is taking these new EV hours to heart. Over 20k voters today, only 2k below yesterday w/ hours to go
https://twitter.com/wccubbison/status/792075656582537217?lang=de

is this a democratic county?


http://www.myguilford.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/os-stats-102816-234pm.pdf

African americans makeup 29% of the county but made up 35% of 42,000 early votes.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 28, 2016, 02:07:23 PM
thank you...then this is going to be good.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 28, 2016, 02:14:18 PM
Guilford is taking these new EV hours to heart. Over 20k voters today, only 2k below yesterday w/ hours to go
https://twitter.com/wccubbison/status/792075656582537217?lang=de

is this a democratic county?


57% Obama in 2012, so a good Democratic county


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on October 28, 2016, 03:08:21 PM
clark county (NV) looking stronger today....
https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/792073071356108800?lang=de

read between the lines, ralston thinks nevada is all but toast for trump


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 28, 2016, 04:21:43 PM
 Total number of ballots cast in all reporting jurisdictions:  18,241,259 votes or 39.5% of the 2012 early vote.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 28, 2016, 04:23:11 PM
after this weekend some states will be "over".


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 28, 2016, 04:24:11 PM
Iowa absentee ballot stats, 10/28

Ballots requested:

DEM: 234,166
GOP: 187,627
IND: 122,490
Other: 1,700

Ballots cast:

DEM: 177,506
GOP: 136,957
IND: 83,126
Other: 1,142

Dems gain another 1K or so on ballot requests but the margin of ballots cast remains about the same


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 28, 2016, 04:25:28 PM
dems won 2012 by 6 points with a lead of 60k.

even 40k should be "enough" if their turnout works. contrary: this is the state with the best trump machine.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 28, 2016, 04:27:21 PM
dems won 2012 by 6 points with a lead of 60k.

even 40k should be "enough" if their turnout works. contrary: this is the state with the best trump machine.

I've said it multiple times, I think they need a 50K margin in party preference going into Election Day to win. 40K is very iffy. The numbers back a tie in Iowa which is what quinnipiac came up with


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on October 28, 2016, 04:41:39 PM
dems won 2012 by 6 points with a lead of 60k.

even 40k should be "enough" if their turnout works. contrary: this is the state with the best trump machine.

I've said it multiple times, I think they need a 50K margin in party preference going into Election Day to win. 40K is very iffy. The numbers back a tie in Iowa which is what quinnipiac came up with

I just read somewhere that Clinton's inner circle believes Arizona is more likely to go to Clinton than Iowa. Either way, she'll be in both states next week :-)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 28, 2016, 05:00:10 PM
from michael:

turnout up everywhere...besides midwest.
On this note, wouldn't we expect that if Trump was activating massive numbers of low propensity white voters that the Midwest would be exactly where turnout would be surging, since it has the most of them?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 28, 2016, 05:03:35 PM
On this note, wouldn't we expect that if Trump was activating massive numbers of low propensity white voters that the Midwest would be exactly where turnout would be surging, since it has the most of them?

you are technically correct, even while....are there really states which are better for republicans if the turnout is high?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: MasterJedi on October 28, 2016, 05:05:55 PM
On this note, wouldn't we expect that if Trump was activating massive numbers of low propensity white voters that the Midwest would be exactly where turnout would be surging, since it has the most of them?

you are technically correct, even while....are there really states which are better for republicans if the turnout is high?

Then again most of the Trumpers don't approve of ANY early voting. I keep seeing how voting should only be allowed one day and if you can't make it that's your own problem. So I'm sure a lot of them won't vote until election day.

Funny enough the biggest Trump supporter I know isn't going to vote. Hoping there's a lot of them that are like that.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on October 28, 2016, 05:23:44 PM
On this note, wouldn't we expect that if Trump was activating massive numbers of low propensity white voters that the Midwest would be exactly where turnout would be surging, since it has the most of them?

you are technically correct, even while....are there really states which are better for republicans if the turnout is high?

Then again most of the Trumpers don't approve of ANY early voting. I keep seeing how voting should only be allowed one day and if you can't make it that's your own problem. So I'm sure a lot of them won't vote until election day.

Funny enough the biggest Trump supporter I know isn't going to vote. Hoping there's a lot of them that are like that.

The biggest Trump supporter I know has said the same thing, although I'm not sure I believe him.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Crumpets on October 28, 2016, 05:24:47 PM
On this note, wouldn't we expect that if Trump was activating massive numbers of low propensity white voters that the Midwest would be exactly where turnout would be surging, since it has the most of them?

you are technically correct, even while....are there really states which are better for republicans if the turnout is high?

Then again most of the Trumpers don't approve of ANY early voting. I keep seeing how voting should only be allowed one day and if you can't make it that's your own problem. So I'm sure a lot of them won't vote until election day.

Funny enough the biggest Trump supporter I know isn't going to vote. Hoping there's a lot of them that are like that.

The biggest Trump supporter I know has said the same thing, although I'm not sure I believe him.

What are these people's reasons?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on October 28, 2016, 05:28:35 PM
On this note, wouldn't we expect that if Trump was activating massive numbers of low propensity white voters that the Midwest would be exactly where turnout would be surging, since it has the most of them?

you are technically correct, even while....are there really states which are better for republicans if the turnout is high?

Then again most of the Trumpers don't approve of ANY early voting. I keep seeing how voting should only be allowed one day and if you can't make it that's your own problem. So I'm sure a lot of them won't vote until election day.

Funny enough the biggest Trump supporter I know isn't going to vote. Hoping there's a lot of them that are like that.

The biggest Trump supporter I know has said the same thing, although I'm not sure I believe him.

What are these people's reasons?

In my case, it's because he thinks Clinton has the election in the bag (nationally; not necessarily in Georgia) and there are zero competitive downballot races.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: MasterJedi on October 28, 2016, 05:29:46 PM
On this note, wouldn't we expect that if Trump was activating massive numbers of low propensity white voters that the Midwest would be exactly where turnout would be surging, since it has the most of them?

you are technically correct, even while....are there really states which are better for republicans if the turnout is high?

Then again most of the Trumpers don't approve of ANY early voting. I keep seeing how voting should only be allowed one day and if you can't make it that's your own problem. So I'm sure a lot of them won't vote until election day.

Funny enough the biggest Trump supporter I know isn't going to vote. Hoping there's a lot of them that are like that.

The biggest Trump supporter I know has said the same thing, although I'm not sure I believe him.

What are these people's reasons?

Don't know the actual reason but he has said he thinks voting is stupid, so probably why he supports Trump. Served in the military (only on base, got a medal for running into the back of a truck during the one mortar attack on the base) and has cycled through jobs because he either quits or gets fired from complaining nonstop/being lazy/calling in "sick" too many times. Complains about Democrats and people who don't work though, so general low class white trash.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: #TheShadowyAbyss on October 28, 2016, 05:51:42 PM
I caved and went to early vote with some coworkers today and in my Volusia county early voting precinct I was number 15,380, lots of people around the Hillary stand not many for the Trump stand. There was also a Johnson Stand too.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on October 28, 2016, 05:53:33 PM
I caved and went to early vote with some coworkers today and in my Volusia county early voting precinct I was number 15,380, lots of people around the Hillary stand not many for the Trump stand. There was also a Johnson Stand too.

You have candidate stands in/near the polling place?  That's interesting.  Georgia is different; it prohibits any kind of campaigning or politicking, even signs, within 150 feet of the polling place.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: #TheShadowyAbyss on October 28, 2016, 05:56:43 PM
I caved and went to early vote with some coworkers today and in my Volusia county early voting precinct I was number 15,380, lots of people around the Hillary stand not many for the Trump stand. There was also a Johnson Stand too.

You have candidate stands in/near the polling place?  That's interesting.  Georgia is different; it prohibits any kind of campaigning or politicking, even signs, within 150 feet of the polling place.

They had to be a certain distance away from the actual voting, the parking lot was huge, it took abour two minutes to walk from the closest candidate booth to the line for voting.

Interesting note, Patrick Murphy presence was no where to be found but there was Rubio signs everywhere


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 28, 2016, 05:59:42 PM
On this note, wouldn't we expect that if Trump was activating massive numbers of low propensity white voters that the Midwest would be exactly where turnout would be surging, since it has the most of them?

you are technically correct, even while....are there really states which are better for republicans if the turnout is high?

Then again most of the Trumpers don't approve of ANY early voting. I keep seeing how voting should only be allowed one day and if you can't make it that's your own problem. So I'm sure a lot of them won't vote until election day.

Funny enough the biggest Trump supporter I know isn't going to vote. Hoping there's a lot of them that are like that.

The biggest Trump supporter I know has said the same thing, although I'm not sure I believe him.

What are these people's reasons?

Don't know the actual reason but he has said he thinks voting is stupid, so probably why he supports Trump. Served in the military (only on base, got a medal for running into the back of a truck during the one mortar attack on the base) and has cycled through jobs because he either quits or gets fired from complaining nonstop/being lazy/calling in "sick" too many times. Complains about Democrats and people who don't work though, so general low class white trash.

What people misunderstand is that working class or non-working class isn't that strong of a predictor. Here in NY at least, income doesn't predict whether one is a Democrat or not. It correlates much more with religion.

At my work, all the white Catholics are for Trump and all the atheist or infrequent churchgoers are for Hillary or Johnson. I'm the only protestant Christian that supports Hillary but me being non-white probably is a factor.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 28, 2016, 06:31:15 PM
Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports 1h1 hour ago
Quote
Turnout going to be higher today in Clark than Thursday: 22,000 had voted by 3PM, 3,000 more than same time yesterday.

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Hopefully she can win the second biggest county today also.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on October 28, 2016, 07:09:46 PM
Status on OR

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/28/1587774/-One-more-state-where-Democratic-turnout-is-looking-good

In 2008 Barack Obama won 13 counties
In 2012, he only won 10 counties in the state, and four of the top seven in population.

"Registered Democrats currently have turned in more ballots than Republicans in 17 of Oregon’s 36 counties. Including all seven of the most populous counties. Currently Democratic turnout is at 14.8% and Republican turnout is 12.2%. This is not normal. Usually, unless it is a very good election for us, Republican turnout is at east as high as Democratic turnout."

So far 49.7% of voters are Democrats to 29.7% Republicans. In registered voters, Democrats lead 38.9% to 28.2%, so that 2.6% edge in turnout so far leads to us significantly outperforming registration.

It is extremely interesting to see Democratic early VbMs in Oregon starting with such a high lead for the Democratic votes visa-a-vis Republicans.

Also, voter turnout on the 4th reporting day in 2016 is 420k returned ballots versus 250k in 2012.

Some of that might be a factor of a number of Indies switching party registration to Democratic in order to be able to vote in the Primaries for Bernie that won the state in a landslide, and frequently voters don't shift back registration between the primaries and GE.

Additionally, Oregon now has automatic driver license voter registration, which is likely expanding voter registration levels among first-time drivers, as well as those who need to renew their driver's license every 7-8 years.

It is interesting that early Dem ballots returned actually have Democrats leading by small numbers in downstate Oregon Blue Collar Coastal Oregon counties that have shifted Republican over the past few decades (Columbia, Coos, Tillamook).

If we look at Metro Portland EVs so far (~55% of the statewide total vote):

Multnomah:  EV (70-16-14) D-R-NA vs RV (59-14-27)
Washington: EV  (55-29-16) D-R-NA vs RV  (42-28-30)
Clackamas: EV  (51-33-15) D-R-NA vs RV (39-33-28)

Note: That in Multnomah and Washington counties the lion's share of Independent voters vote Dem in Presidential elections.

Democrats are voting earlier and in heavier numbers than ever before, not only the most populated region of the state, which was also a major under-performing region for Trump who essentially ran unopposed in the Oregon Primary. Republican votes are basically stagnant compared to their RV numbers, and will likely drop significantly once Indies start voting en masse closer to ED.

At this point I would not be surprised to see Clinton's vote percentages create a record in Multnomah and Washington Counties, even with 3rd party votes....

Also, note that Democratic ballots are currently exceeding Republican numbers, in some cases significantly in the upper Willamette Valley counties of Polk, Yamhill, and Marion, all of which I predict will be Democratic Party flips in November.

Edited: To correct Multnomah County NA RV numbers.







Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Alcon on October 28, 2016, 07:34:10 PM
^ Matches the VBM patterns in Washington so far.  We don't have party registration, but I've seen the data.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on October 28, 2016, 07:45:33 PM
^ Matches the VBM patterns in Washington so far.  We don't have party registration, but I've seen the data.

So what are you seeing for early VBM numbers in Clark and Pierce Counties thus far for relatively Blue Collar parts of the state?

Also, what's going on in Whitman and Spokane counties with VBMs in Eastern Washington, as well as some smaller counties along the Columbia River Gorge?

How's your Washington state flip map working based on what your early numbers are showing?



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Classic Conservative on October 28, 2016, 07:49:44 PM
I caved and went to early vote with some coworkers today and in my Volusia county early voting precinct I was number 15,380, lots of people around the Hillary stand not many for the Trump stand. There was also a Johnson Stand too.
Who do your coworkers like?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Alcon on October 28, 2016, 07:56:30 PM
^ Matches the VBM patterns in Washington so far.  We don't have party registration, but I've seen the data.

So what are you seeing for early VBM numbers in Clark and Pierce Counties thus far for relatively Blue Collar parts of the state?

I've been looking at the return rates among voters who participated in our useless May presidential primary as a gauge of enthusiasm -- especially since you'd figure those folks are disproportionately hardcore party faithful.  So far, Democratic returns outpace Republican turns about 27.2% to 22.8%.  The gap is mostly pretty uniform statewide.  King is slightly higher than average, but among the 36/39 counties reporting statistics, only two have a higher return rate among Republicans.  Those are Okanogan, which had a high-turnout ballot measure on the May ballot, so I wouldn't pay that due, and Grays Harbor, a working-class Dem-leaning county where Trump did quite well in the primary.

Oddly enough, Spokane has an even bigger gap (30.1% vs. 24.8%) than King.

Also, what's going on in Whitman and Spokane counties with VBMs in Eastern Washington, as well as some smaller counties along the Columbia River Gorge?

Sorry, in what way?

How's your Washington state flip map working based on what your early numbers are showing?

Eh, I'm reluctant to read too much into this.  I think it's a good sign for the Democrats, but considering today's national news and how vague these tea leaves are, I'm not overthinking it.  I expect turnout to even out, and after today, we may see the enthusiasm gap reverse slightly.  Who knows :)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 28, 2016, 07:58:09 PM
absentee voting in MI thrives....

Absentee ballots on the rise in Michigan
http://www.wilx.com/content/news/Absentee-ballots-on-the-rise-in-Michigan-398878931.html

much more republican ballots but democrats return them reaaaaaaalllllly fast.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 28, 2016, 08:12:08 PM
I believe Michigan is a state where Republicans typically outpace Democrats in absentee voting.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 28, 2016, 08:14:16 PM
I believe Michigan is a state where Republicans typically outpace Democrats in absentee voting.

Strict excuse absentee ballots.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 28, 2016, 08:14:53 PM
I believe Michigan is a state where Republicans typically outpace Democrats in absentee voting.

Yup.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 28, 2016, 08:30:04 PM
Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports 1m1 minute ago
Quote
Pretty big day of Clark voting today. Nearly 31,000 had cast ballots by 6 PM. Breakdown will be interesting.


Hopefully Hillary's lead increases.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 28, 2016, 08:30:56 PM
Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports 1m1 minute ago
Quote
Pretty big day of Clark voting today. Nearly 31,000 had cast ballots by 6 PM. Breakdown will be interesting.


Hopefully Hillary's lead increases.

Yes yes please. Early voting is more important now than ever.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 28, 2016, 08:35:16 PM
Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports 1m1 minute ago
Quote
Pretty big day of Clark voting today. Nearly 31,000 had cast ballots by 6 PM. Breakdown will be interesting.


Hopefully Hillary's lead increases.

Dems won Washoe County by 20 votes today (just in-person early vote)

https://www.washoecounty.us/voters/electioninformation/ev_turnout_reports.php


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 28, 2016, 08:38:26 PM
trump seems to dominate ohio EV


http://www.cleveland.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/10/early_vote_numbers_in_ohio_sug.html
Quote

 Early vote totals offer promising numbers for Donald Trump in Ohio, although Hillary Clinton's campaign aims to close the gap after in-person weekend voting begins on Saturday.

The number of ballots cast in Cuyahoga and other key Democratic counties is lagging behind early voting totals from 2012, when President Barack Obama was victorious, according to a cleveland.com analysis of state election data.

As of last Friday, voters in Ohio counties most recently carried by Obama had requested 39,600 fewer absentee ballots than they did in 2012, good for a drop of 4 percent. The largest drop-off is in deep-blue Cuyahoga County, where voters have requested about 42,700 fewer absentee ballots, or 17 percent less, than they did in 2012.

Other counties where voters have requested fewer ballots in 2016 than they did four years ago include Summit (-6 percent), Franklin (-7 percent), and Lucas (-17 percent), three of Obama's best counties.

Voters in Hamilton (+3 percent) and Montgomery (+19 percent) counties have requested more ballots this year. However, while Obama won these counties in 2012, he won them by narrower margins than other large urban counties.

Meanwhile, voters in counties won by Republican Mitt Romney have requested about 52,000 more ballots, or 11 percent more, this year than they did in 2012. Compared to Democratic counties, the voters in Republican counties also have returned them at a higher rate, particularly as time has gone on. Some of the greatest numerical gains took place in Southwestern Ohio counties — Butler, Clermont, Greene, Miami and Warren — where Romney won by 60 percent or more.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 28, 2016, 08:39:58 PM
Dems won Washoe County by 20 votes today (just in-person early vote)
https://www.washoecounty.us/voters/electioninformation/ev_turnout_reports.php

weekend should be good for dems...

if reps don't overcome the advantage in washoe next week, their goose is cooked, sliced and served.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 28, 2016, 08:50:06 PM
Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports 1m1 minute ago
Quote
Pretty big day of Clark voting today. Nearly 31,000 had cast ballots by 6 PM. Breakdown will be interesting.


Hopefully Hillary's lead increases.

Dems won Washoe County by 20 votes today (just in-person early vote)

https://www.washoecounty.us/voters/electioninformation/ev_turnout_reports.php

Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports 13m
Democrats won narrowly in Washoe today, keep about a 2,400-vote lead in slightly GOP county.
 Dem - 2,802
 GOP - 2,782


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: #TheShadowyAbyss on October 28, 2016, 08:52:19 PM
So far here in Volusia county, Florida 93,000 people have voted so far and the partisan breakdown is 39,000 Republicans, 35,000 Democrats and 19,000 NPA


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 28, 2016, 08:59:08 PM
Dems won Washoe County by 20 votes today (just in-person early vote)
https://www.washoecounty.us/voters/electioninformation/ev_turnout_reports.php

weekend should be good for dems...

if reps don't overcome the advantage in washoe next week, their goose is cooked, sliced and served.

Dems have a larger lead in Washoe this time than they did in 2012. Combined with what is expected to come out of Vegas (Clark) today, Dems will be in a better position than they were in 2012 statewide


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 28, 2016, 09:21:33 PM
Nevada at the completion of the first week of 2012 seen a 29,187 Democrat lead in inperson voting and a ~535 early mail in lead for the republicans. So for a overall lead of 28,652 votes for the Democrats.

http://nvsos.gov/sos/home/showdocument?id=2501

Today at the 10am update the early mail in lead for the republicans was 2,053.

http://nvsos.gov/sos/home/showdocument?id=4543


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Virginiá on October 28, 2016, 09:25:13 PM
Additionally, Oregon now has automatic driver license voter registration, which is likely expanding voter registration levels among first-time drivers, as well as those who need to renew their driver's license every 7-8 years.

This is why automatic voter registration is even more critical in states with vote-by-mail like CO/WA/OR. With everyone who interacts with the DMV getting registered, they automatically end up receiving a ballot with no extra steps on their part. The next step would be to automatically register those who interact with other public agencies, like Illinois was trying to do (before Rauner vetoed it)

I'm curious what the final numbers will be in Oregon. I'd expect more than usual, even with any higher turnout trends factored in, but then again I've also heard speculation that turnout as a share of the registered voter electorate, it could be smaller because even people who are registered who wouldn't have been otherwise, it doesn't mean they all end up voting, which could cause the % of registered voters who voted to be lower than usual even if way more people ended up voting in general.

But, we'll see!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on October 28, 2016, 09:25:50 PM
^ Matches the VBM patterns in Washington so far.  We don't have party registration, but I've seen the data.

So what are you seeing for early VBM numbers in Clark and Pierce Counties thus far for relatively Blue Collar parts of the state?

I've been looking at the return rates among voters who participated in our useless May presidential primary as a gauge of enthusiasm -- especially since you'd figure those folks are disproportionately hardcore party faithful.  So far, Democratic returns outpace Republican turns about 27.2% to 22.8%.  The gap is mostly pretty uniform statewide.  King is slightly higher than average, but among the 36/39 counties reporting statistics, only two have a higher return rate among Republicans.  Those are Okanogan, which had a high-turnout ballot measure on the May ballot, so I wouldn't pay that due, and Grays Harbor, a working-class Dem-leaning county where Trump did quite well in the primary.

Oddly enough, Spokane has an even bigger gap (30.1% vs. 24.8%) than King.

Also, what's going on in Whitman and Spokane counties with VBMs in Eastern Washington, as well as some smaller counties along the Columbia River Gorge?

Sorry, in what way?

How's your Washington state flip map working based on what your early numbers are showing?

Eh, I'm reluctant to read too much into this.  I think it's a good sign for the Democrats, but considering today's national news and how vague these tea leaves are, I'm not overthinking it.  I expect turnout to even out, and after today, we may see the enthusiasm gap reverse slightly.  Who knows :)

Apologies... no party registration makes it a bit more difficult to read the bird entrails, so you have a bit less to work with for data points, other than the May "Primaries" to look at overall turnout and enthusiasm levels . :(

How is overall party registration and turnout numbers looking like in heavily Latino Counties in Eastern Washington? Have we seen a surge in voter registration numbers in places like Yakima County as well as early turnout numbers? What are early voting numbers looking like in heavily Mormon Counties in SE Washington?

What we are seeing in Eastern Oregon is high turnout levels in many traditionally Republican Counties that have both a large population of Mormons, as well as large populations of Latinos, and even with Party ID (Unlike WA) it's difficult to tell if we will see some interesting results from places like the "Inland Empire" where there is both a strong Anti-Trump Republican element, as well as an extremely large and latent Latino vote, in what are generally heavily Republican parts of both Oregon and Washington.

I wish I could run the 2008 and 2012 numbers in Oregon by County and Party ID for early voting, but unfortunately, I think I would need to pay to pull this data. :(


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Crumpets on October 28, 2016, 09:29:15 PM
^ Matches the VBM patterns in Washington so far.  We don't have party registration, but I've seen the data.

So what are you seeing for early VBM numbers in Clark and Pierce Counties thus far for relatively Blue Collar parts of the state?

I've been looking at the return rates among voters who participated in our useless May presidential primary as a gauge of enthusiasm -- especially since you'd figure those folks are disproportionately hardcore party faithful.  So far, Democratic returns outpace Republican turns about 27.2% to 22.8%.  The gap is mostly pretty uniform statewide.  King is slightly higher than average, but among the 36/39 counties reporting statistics, only two have a higher return rate among Republicans.  Those are Okanogan, which had a high-turnout ballot measure on the May ballot, so I wouldn't pay that due, and Grays Harbor, a working-class Dem-leaning county where Trump did quite well in the primary.

Oddly enough, Spokane has an even bigger gap (30.1% vs. 24.8%) than King.

Also, what's going on in Whitman and Spokane counties with VBMs in Eastern Washington, as well as some smaller counties along the Columbia River Gorge?

Sorry, in what way?

How's your Washington state flip map working based on what your early numbers are showing?

Eh, I'm reluctant to read too much into this.  I think it's a good sign for the Democrats, but considering today's national news and how vague these tea leaves are, I'm not overthinking it.  I expect turnout to even out, and after today, we may see the enthusiasm gap reverse slightly.  Who knows :)

Apologies... no party registration makes it a bit more difficult to read the bird entrails, so you have a bit less to work with for data points, other than the May "Primaries" to look at overall turnout and enthusiasm levels . :(

How is overall party registration and turnout numbers looking like in heavily Latino Counties in Eastern Washington? Have we seen a surge in voter registration numbers in places like Yakima County as well as early turnout numbers? What are early voting numbers looking like in heavily Mormon Counties in SE Washington?

What we are seeing in Eastern Oregon is high turnout levels in many traditionally Republican Counties that have both a large population of Mormons, as well as large populations of Latinos, and even with Party ID (Unlike WA) it's difficult to tell if we will see some interesting results from places like the "Inland Empire" where there is both a strong Anti-Trump Republican element, as well as an extremely large and latent Latino vote, in what are generally heavily Republican parts of both Oregon and Washington.

I wish I could run the 2008 and 2012 numbers in Oregon by County and Party ID for early voting, but unfortunately, I think I would need to pay to pull this data. :(

How are you getting partisan data when we don't have party registration?


Title: Early voting numbers show Clinton's strength in Arizona, other battlegrounds
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on October 28, 2016, 09:30:59 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/26/politics/early-voting-statistics-2016-election

Interesting numbers.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 28, 2016, 09:34:02 PM
Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn
Florida's registered voters, now final:
2016: White 64.2, Hispanic 15.7, Black 13.4
2012: White 66.5, Hispanic 13.9, Black 13.6


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 28, 2016, 09:34:38 PM
Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn
Florida's registered voters, now final:
2016: White 64.2, Hispanic 15.7, Black 13.4
2012: White 66.5, Hispanic 13.9, Black 13.6

Broadly, excellent.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 28, 2016, 09:40:34 PM
Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn
Florida's registered voters, now final:
2016: White 64.2, Hispanic 15.7, Black 13.4
2012: White 66.5, Hispanic 13.9, Black 13.6


Also for reference, 2008: White 69, Black 13.1, Hispanic 12


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 28, 2016, 09:40:42 PM
Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn
Florida's registered voters, now final:
2016: White 64.2, Hispanic 15.7, Black 13.4
2012: White 66.5, Hispanic 13.9, Black 13.6


Looks like Hispanics are flexing their political power and are about ready to show Donald Trump the door.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 28, 2016, 09:42:56 PM
Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn
Florida's registered voters, now final:
2016: White 64.2, Hispanic 15.7, Black 13.4
2012: White 66.5, Hispanic 13.9, Black 13.6

Broadly, excellent.

That would explain part of why FAU found Clinton up by 13 among early voters even though the party ID breakdown is even. Lots of newly registered Hispanic voters register as independent


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 28, 2016, 09:47:30 PM
Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn
Florida's registered voters, now final:
2016: White 64.2, Hispanic 15.7, Black 13.4
2012: White 66.5, Hispanic 13.9, Black 13.6

Broadly, excellent.

That would explain part of why FAU found Clinton up by 13 among early voters even though the party ID breakdown is even. Lots of newly registered Hispanic voters register as independent

Well, that is really promising.


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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 28, 2016, 10:51:42 PM
Some more on Florida:

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Dave WassermanVerified account
‏@Redistrict
At bookclosing, FL has added a net 929,327 voters since '12. Non-whites have accounted for 65% of that growth (39% H, 11% AA, 15% Other).

Quote
Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict  9s9 seconds ago
Since '12, FL has added a net 325,485 white voters & 603,842 non-white voters. Keep in mind, Obama's FL margin was 74,309 in '12.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 28, 2016, 10:53:19 PM
Some more on Florida:

Quote
Dave WassermanVerified account
‏@Redistrict
At bookclosing, FL has added a net 929,327 voters since '12. Non-whites have accounted for 65% of that growth (39% H, 11% AA, 15% Other).

Quote
Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict  9s9 seconds ago
Since '12, FL has added a net 325,485 white voters & 603,842 non-white voters. Keep in mind, Obama's FL margin was 74,309 in '12.

The Angry Puerto Rican vote will push FL into the higher single-digits. ;)

P.S. Any updates on the complete totals from NV today?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 28, 2016, 10:55:21 PM
P.S. Any updates on the complete totals from NV today?

not likely, they come late in the night usually....after 11 pm local time..at least 2-3 more hours. ;)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 28, 2016, 10:58:48 PM
Some more on Florida:

Quote
Dave WassermanVerified account
‏@Redistrict
At bookclosing, FL has added a net 929,327 voters since '12. Non-whites have accounted for 65% of that growth (39% H, 11% AA, 15% Other).

Quote
Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict  9s9 seconds ago
Since '12, FL has added a net 325,485 white voters & 603,842 non-white voters. Keep in mind, Obama's FL margin was 74,309 in '12.

The Angry Puerto Rican vote will push FL into the higher single-digits. ;)

P.S. Any updates on the complete totals from NV today?

More on FL:

Quote
Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict  2m2 minutes ago
2016: the first presidential election ever in which a majority of Orange County, FL (Orlando)'s registered voters are non-white.

Amazing to think that Bush almost one this county in 2004.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: pbrower2a on October 28, 2016, 11:17:56 PM
I dropped off my absentee ballot. Straight Democratic, although I did vote for the unopposed Republican nominee for sheriff.

I made a turn in front of a speeder that I didn't see, and immediately pulled to the shoulder to let him get past me. I saw the sheriff's car next and waited. I then got into the traffic lane and continued on.

The speeder got a ticket. 


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 29, 2016, 12:50:39 AM
Nevada-incomplete 2016 numbers http://nvsos.gov/sos/home/showdocument?id=4543

In person
  Democrats 149,783, Republicans 115,697 = 34,086 vote lead for the democrats. About 10.21% lead!

Mail in's

  Republicans 18,974,  Democrats 16,837 = 2,137 lead for the republicans

34,086-2,137 = 31,949 vote lead for the democrats...Likely to drop a little as most county's out are pro-republican.


Compared to

Nevada at the completion of the first week of 2012 seen a 29,187 Democrat lead in inperson voting and a ~535 early mail in lead for the republicans. So for a overall lead of 28,652 votes for the Democrats.

http://nvsos.gov/sos/home/showdocument?id=2501


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 29, 2016, 01:25:54 AM
Things are looking good in Nevada.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 29, 2016, 01:27:25 AM
In % terms, doesn't that mean that the Democratic margin is about the same as in 2012? Which is all right, I guess, but I'd like to see Dems overperform.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on October 29, 2016, 04:31:02 AM
I voted yesterday.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 29, 2016, 09:59:20 AM
This is the last early vote weekend, correct? I'm looking forward to updates. If we can lock down NV and CO, it's over.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 29, 2016, 10:01:43 AM
yeah.....it is.

which brings me to the question.....does that mean you americans are able to vote right now but not between next friday and tuesday?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Thomas D on October 29, 2016, 10:06:19 AM
yeah.....it is.

which brings me to the question.....does that mean you americans are able to vote right now but not between next friday and tuesday?

Yes. :)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: riceowl on October 29, 2016, 10:06:29 AM
yeah.....it is.

which brings me to the question.....does that mean you americans are able to vote right now but not between next friday and tuesday?

State by state - in Texas we could vote from this last Monday (the 24th) through Friday (the 4th). Then no voting until the 8th.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 29, 2016, 10:07:31 AM

thanks both of you.

sounds really strange, especially since weekends are the "normal" time for voting in nearly every modern democracy.....surely would also increase turnout.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 29, 2016, 10:28:33 AM
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What's interesting to me is how blacks are under-performing this year, possibly even above and beyond their limited access to voting locations.

Unaffiliated #'s are way outperforming.

Democrats aren't doing terribly so far because many liberal youngsters have registered as unaffiliated this year but Democrats definitely need to way outperform their 2012 #'s. They have serious grounds to make up.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 29, 2016, 10:32:03 AM
Jon Ralston

"Dems won Clark by 3,600 votes on Friday - raw vote lead 40K. Same as '12 but percentage  lower because more voters. Detailed post coming."


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on October 29, 2016, 10:56:10 AM
yeah.....it is.

which brings me to the question.....does that mean you americans are able to vote right now but not between next friday and tuesday?

The rules vary from state to state; some states have no early voting at all, but what you said is probably true in most that do.  For more detail, https://ballotpedia.org/Early_voting is a good starting point.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: StatesPoll on October 29, 2016, 11:10:35 AM
North Carolina Early Voting
Black voter shares: 30%(2012) -> 22%(10/29) Decreased by 26.6%
Hillary is finished in NC

Florida Early voting
Hillary is finished in FL

1) Vote by mails. 10/29/2016: REP +3.3% >= 2012 final results Rep +3%

2) Early voting in person. 10/28: DEM +3.34% much better than  2012 final results DEM +10%

3) Total:  3.253 Million voted.  REP 40.8% | DEM 40.1% | Ind 19.1%

REP 1.328 Million votes | DEM 1.305 Million. REP +0.7% (10/29/2016)

GOP is doing far much better than 2012. about +3.7% better.

(2012 final results of Early voting: DEM +3%.)


I. Florida Vote-By-Mail   10/29/2016 6:44AM

https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats

Voted Ballots: 1.86 Million votes.

REP:  784K (42.15%) | DEM: 723K (38.87%) | Other 18.98%

REP: +3.28%. A bit batter than 2012.

(Vote-By-Mail 2012 final results : REP +3%)


II. Florida Early Voting In person.  10/29/2016 6:44AM
Voted(Total) : 1.393 Million votes.
REP: 543.9K (39.05%) |  DEM: 582.4K (41.81%) | Other 19.14%
DEM +2.76%
very good numbers for TRUMP.
Because in 2012 final results, it was Dem +10% (DEM 46 : REP 36)


 III. Vote-by-mail(Total Requests) in BIG 3 Dem county increae % = getting down

I’m sure GOP gonna expand leads of vote-by-mail.

Miami-Dade: 386K(10/27) -> 395K(10/29) = +2.3% in 2days (+1.15% / day)

Broward: 268K(10/27) -> 270K(10/29) = +0.74% in 2days (+0.37% / day)

Orange: 204K(10/27) ->208.3K(10/29) = +2.1% in 2days (+1.05% / day)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: StatesPoll on October 29, 2016, 11:18:31 AM

Based on recent ealry voting

FL+NC+OH in TRUMP's pocket.

so TRUMP just needs 10 EV more.

WI or NV+NH or MI or PA

#Trump2016



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 29, 2016, 11:20:41 AM
It seems the early vote in NC, FL and NV is slowly trending the way of Trump/Republicans.

And in CO (where Dems are currently way ahead, but virtually nothing is in yet) the email scandal comes at the worst possible time for Hillary because most voters will fill out their ballot this weekend and over the next week with peak mail returns in about 1 week ... and the email stuff will dominate the whole next week.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: JerryArkansas on October 29, 2016, 11:22:05 AM

Based on recent ealry voting

FL+NC+OH in TRUMP's pocket.

so TRUMP just needs 10 EV more.

WI or NV+NH or MI or PA

#Trump2016


The stupid is strong with you.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: StatesPoll on October 29, 2016, 11:24:36 AM

Based on recent ealry voting

FL+NC+OH in TRUMP's pocket.

so TRUMP just needs 10 EV more.

WI or NV+NH or MI or PA

#Trump2016


The stupid is strong with you.

Then you should show some facts instead of mumbling


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: JerryArkansas on October 29, 2016, 11:24:37 AM
It seems the early vote in NC, FL and NV is slowly trending the way of Trump/Republicans.

And in CO (where Dems are currently way ahead, but virtually nothing is in yet) the email scandal comes at the worst possible time for Hillary because most voters will fill out their ballot this weekend and over the next week with peak mail returns in about 1 week ... and the email stuff will dominate the whole next week.
Except it isn't.  But continue with your concern trolling.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: OneJ on October 29, 2016, 11:25:37 AM
It seems the early vote in NC, FL and NV is slowly trending the way of Trump/Republicans.

And in CO (where Dems are currently way ahead, but virtually nothing is in yet) the email scandal comes at the worst possible time for Hillary because most voters will fill out their ballot this weekend and over the next week with peak mail returns in about 1 week ... and the email stuff will dominate the whole next week.

The emails won't damage Hillary as much as you think it will in all honesty.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: StatesPoll on October 29, 2016, 11:25:51 AM
It seems the early vote in NC, FL and NV is slowly trending the way of Trump/Republicans.

And in CO (where Dems are currently way ahead, but virtually nothing is in yet) the email scandal comes at the worst possible time for Hillary because most voters will fill out their ballot this weekend and over the next week with peak mail returns in about 1 week ... and the email stuff will dominate the whole next week.

CO is interesting.

at the beginning DEM bragged D+10% BLAH BLAH BLAH     

Now it is D+3.9%
(I know it was slightlly +R in 2012)




Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 29, 2016, 11:32:38 AM
i can with some mental tricks understand how people could doubt FL/NC but...how in 7 hells is hard-early-voting republican nightmare NV a problem?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 29, 2016, 11:35:17 AM
It seems the early vote in NC, FL and NV is slowly trending the way of Trump/Republicans.

And in CO (where Dems are currently way ahead, but virtually nothing is in yet) the email scandal comes at the worst possible time for Hillary because most voters will fill out their ballot this weekend and over the next week with peak mail returns in about 1 week ... and the email stuff will dominate the whole next week.

CO is interesting.

at the beginning DEM bragged D+10% BLAH BLAH BLAH     

Now it is D+3.9%
(I know it was slightlly +R in 2012)

For a Trump win, CO will likely need to be at least R+5 by Nov. 7 when about 90% of ballots are returned.

Maybe R+2 or R+3 if the Indys are going strongly for the Republicans.

But as long as Dems are ahead with the returned ballots, it's about 99% likely that Hillary will win there.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: StatesPoll on October 29, 2016, 11:39:01 AM
i can with some mental tricks understand how people could doubt FL/NC but...how in 7 hells is hard-early-voting republican nightmare NV a problem?

hahahaha

nightmare?

didn't u dem bragged D+18% in NV?

Now it is D+8% (Same as 2012 level)

don't u think it gonna be dead heat in next week?


hahahahahahahahahahahahaha    


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on October 29, 2016, 11:41:06 AM
Is States Poll the lovechild of Donald Trump and nkpatel?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: StatesPoll on October 29, 2016, 11:42:24 AM
Is States Poll the lovechild of Donald Trump and nkpatel?

as I said already. show me some facts instead of mumbling. ok?



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 29, 2016, 11:47:22 AM
Then you should show some facts instead of mumbling

Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn  2h2 hours ago Manhattan, NY
"Clinton has an 18 point lead in NC early voting with more than 1 million votes cast, according to our estimates"

This isn't like other years when you could just use Rep and Dem registration ID to safely infer voting leads-- a significant number of registered Republicans in both NC and Florida will be voting for Clinton, as indicated by the Upshot's model extrapolating from their polling.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: StatesPoll on October 29, 2016, 11:49:25 AM
Then you should show some facts instead of mumbling

Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn  2h2 hours ago Manhattan, NY
"Clinton has an 18 point lead in NC early voting with more than 1 million votes cast, according to our estimates"

This isn't like other years when you could just use Rep and Dem registration ID to safely infer voting leads-- a significant number of registered Republicans in both NC and Florida will be voting for Clinton, as indicated by the Upshot's model extrapolating from their polling.


Blah blah blah so what?

Dem won of NC ealry voting but lost in final results

the point is GOP is doing better than 2012

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cv7tYZXXEAAfOXT.jpg



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 29, 2016, 11:49:44 AM
Then you should show some facts instead of mumbling

Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn  2h2 hours ago Manhattan, NY
"Clinton has an 18 point lead in NC early voting with more than 1 million votes cast, according to our estimates"

This isn't like other years when you could just use Rep and Dem registration ID to safely infer voting leads-- a significant number of registered Republicans in both NC and Florida will be voting for Clinton, as indicated by the Upshot's model extrapolating from their polling.


You're going to come out very disappointed with the conversation you just started.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 29, 2016, 11:50:57 AM
From latest Quinnipiac poll: https://poll.qu.edu/2016-presidential-swing-state-polls/release-detail?ReleaseID=2397

"North Carolina likely voters who cast early ballots go 62 - 34 percent for Clinton."


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 29, 2016, 11:53:13 AM
Then you should show some facts instead of mumbling

Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn  2h2 hours ago Manhattan, NY
"Clinton has an 18 point lead in NC early voting with more than 1 million votes cast, according to our estimates"

This isn't like other years when you could just use Rep and Dem registration ID to safely infer voting leads-- a significant number of registered Republicans in both NC and Florida will be voting for Clinton, as indicated by the Upshot's model extrapolating from their polling.


Blah blah blah so what?

Dem won of NC ealry voting but lost in final results

the point is GOP is doing better than 2012

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cv7tYZXXEAAfOXT.jpg



Are they? Trump's Republican support is 10% less than Romney's and his Democratic support is virtually zero


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 29, 2016, 11:53:46 AM
Clinton is up 54-41 among 26% of early Florida voters in FAU poll (http://business.fau.edu/departments/economics/business-economics-polling/bepipolls/index.aspx#.WBEZ1-ArLct)

So Clinton right now appears to be dominating the early vote in both NC and FL-- we should get a better sense of whether that continues as more polls with sizable numbers of early voters get released next week.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: StatesPoll on October 29, 2016, 11:54:03 AM
From latest Quinnipiac poll: https://poll.qu.edu/2016-presidential-swing-state-polls/release-detail?ReleaseID=2397

"North Carolina likely voters who cast early ballots go 62 - 34 percent for Clinton."

wth believe that skewed poll ?

get this trhough your head.    

Black voter turnouts 26.6% decreased compare with 2012.



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: StatesPoll on October 29, 2016, 11:56:17 AM
Then you should show some facts instead of mumbling

Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn  2h2 hours ago Manhattan, NY
"Clinton has an 18 point lead in NC early voting with more than 1 million votes cast, according to our estimates"

This isn't like other years when you could just use Rep and Dem registration ID to safely infer voting leads-- a significant number of registered Republicans in both NC and Florida will be voting for Clinton, as indicated by the Upshot's model extrapolating from their polling.


Blah blah blah so what?

Dem won of NC ealry voting but lost in final results

the point is GOP is doing better than 2012

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cv7tYZXXEAAfOXT.jpg



Are they? Trump's Republican support is 10% less than Romney's and his Democratic support is virtually zero

Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject Oct 28

NC Dems made up lost ground from last week of poll closures, now running -6.9% behind 2012. Reps actually running +0.3% ahead of 2012




Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on October 29, 2016, 11:57:13 AM
Then you should show some facts instead of mumbling

Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn  2h2 hours ago Manhattan, NY
"Clinton has an 18 point lead in NC early voting with more than 1 million votes cast, according to our estimates"

This isn't like other years when you could just use Rep and Dem registration ID to safely infer voting leads-- a significant number of registered Republicans in both NC and Florida will be voting for Clinton, as indicated by the Upshot's model extrapolating from their polling.


You're going to come out very disappointed with the conversation you just started.
I'm not saying he is wrong, but their latest poll was conducted when Trump was 7% down nationally efter a terrible one-month-long news cycle. His favorability among R was ~60% back then, before Obamacare "gate" it was about 70%, right now it might be even higher. He is even doing again better among Indys (so it is not enough data/evidence for that).


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 29, 2016, 11:57:59 AM
From latest Quinnipiac poll: https://poll.qu.edu/2016-presidential-swing-state-polls/release-detail?ReleaseID=2397

"North Carolina likely voters who cast early ballots go 62 - 34 percent for Clinton."

wth believe that skewed poll ?

get this trhough your head.    

Black voter turnouts 26.6% decreased compare with 2012.



Clinton is winning independents and a slice of Republicans in these early vote subsamples. Trump is winning virtually zero Democrats. That's how you get Clinton winning by 20-25 points in the NC early vote when she's winning the Party ID battle by 15


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 29, 2016, 12:01:57 PM
From latest Quinnipiac poll: https://poll.qu.edu/2016-presidential-swing-state-polls/release-detail?ReleaseID=2397

"North Carolina likely voters who cast early ballots go 62 - 34 percent for Clinton."

wth believe that skewed poll ?

get this trhough your head.    

Black voter turnouts 26.6% decreased compare with 2012.

Which makes Trump's position even worse, because when the Black vote does come in-- and despite NC Republicans' best suppression efforts, it will-- Clinton will be in even better shape (relative to 2012 early voting) than she is now.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on October 29, 2016, 12:02:48 PM
From latest Quinnipiac poll: https://poll.qu.edu/2016-presidential-swing-state-polls/release-detail?ReleaseID=2397

"North Carolina likely voters who cast early ballots go 62 - 34 percent for Clinton."

wth believe that skewed poll ?

get this trhough your head.    

Black voter turnouts 26.6% decreased compare with 2012.



You asked for facts.  They gave you facts.  So you dismiss the facts as skewed.

Grow up.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 29, 2016, 12:04:38 PM
Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports  6m6 minutes ago
"Amazing how close '16 in NV is to '12 after a week of early/mail voting:
Dem lead '16: 29K
Dem lead '12: 29K
% lead '16: 7.5
% lead '12: 8"

fyi, Obama won in 2012 by 6.7 pts



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 29, 2016, 12:10:23 PM
So % Dem lead in NV is down. I'm sorry, but I'm disappointed.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 29, 2016, 12:12:43 PM
So % Dem lead in NV is down. I'm sorry, but I'm disappointed.

Disappointed for half a percentage point? Let's wait until after the weekend. There should be a wave of voters coming in then.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 29, 2016, 12:12:57 PM
So % Dem lead in NV is down. I'm sorry, but I'm disappointed.

It basically parallels 2012 and that's all we need to win NV


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: JerryArkansas on October 29, 2016, 12:14:17 PM
So % Dem lead in NV is down. I'm sorry, but I'm disappointed.

It basically parallels 2012 and that's all we need to win NV
Tony wants a 50 point win, anything less than that is bad, even if Hillary wins by a 2012 margin.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 29, 2016, 12:19:39 PM
What still gets me is that Clinton leads in the polling crosstabs of people who have already voted by a much larger amount than party ID would indicate. This didn't happen in either of Obama's wins where the early vote subsamples largely mirrored party ID and demographic voting rates


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 29, 2016, 12:20:49 PM
What still gets me is that Clinton leads in the polling crosstabs of people who have already voted by a much larger amount than party ID would indicate. This didn't happen in either of Obama's wins where the early vote subsamples largely mirrored party ID and demographic voting rates

A lot of Republican and last-minute undecided voters breaking with the top ticket most likely.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 29, 2016, 12:21:10 PM
What still gets me is that Clinton leads in the polling crosstabs of people who have already voted by a much larger amount than party ID would indicate. This didn't happen in either of Obama's wins where the early vote subsamples largely mirrored party ID and demographic voting rates

Didn't happen in the final result in the state, or didn't happen in the polls of early voters?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 29, 2016, 12:23:14 PM
What still gets me is that Clinton leads in the polling crosstabs of people who have already voted by a much larger amount than party ID would indicate. This didn't happen in either of Obama's wins where the early vote subsamples largely mirrored party ID and demographic voting rates

Tom Bonier of TargetSmart essentially said some people lie about having voted early.

It's far better to rely on the modeling.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 29, 2016, 12:27:30 PM
So % Dem lead in NV is down. I'm sorry, but I'm disappointed.

It basically parallels 2012 and that's all we need to win NV
Tony wants a 50 point win, anything less than that is bad, even if Hillary wins by a 2012 margin.

Are you aware that there's a Senate race in Nevada too?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 29, 2016, 12:29:55 PM
What still gets me is that Clinton leads in the polling crosstabs of people who have already voted by a much larger amount than party ID would indicate. This didn't happen in either of Obama's wins where the early vote subsamples largely mirrored party ID and demographic voting rates

Didn't happen in the final result in the state, or didn't happen in the polls of early voters?

In the polls of early voters...

PPP polled NC twice with the early voter question. Obama led by 17 about 10 days before the election and by 9 in their final NC poll. The party ID difference was about 17-18 points in favor of Democrats through the 2012 early voting period


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 29, 2016, 12:31:04 PM
What still gets me is that Clinton leads in the polling crosstabs of people who have already voted by a much larger amount than party ID would indicate. This didn't happen in either of Obama's wins where the early vote subsamples largely mirrored party ID and demographic voting rates

Didn't happen in the final result in the state, or didn't happen in the polls of early voters?

In the polls of early voters...

PPP polled NC twice with the early voter question. Obama led by 17 about 10 days before the election and by 9 in their final NC poll. The party ID difference was about 17-18 points in favor of Democrats through the 2012 early voting period

Interesting. Those are encouraging numbers, then. Thanks for the info!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: JerryArkansas on October 29, 2016, 12:33:39 PM
So % Dem lead in NV is down. I'm sorry, but I'm disappointed.

It basically parallels 2012 and that's all we need to win NV
Tony wants a 50 point win, anything less than that is bad, even if Hillary wins by a 2012 margin.

Are you aware that there's a Senate race in Nevada too?
Of course, and the candidate is one who is much better than what was nominated 4 years ago.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 29, 2016, 12:36:26 PM
So % Dem lead in NV is down. I'm sorry, but I'm disappointed.

It basically parallels 2012 and that's all we need to win NV
Tony wants a 50 point win, anything less than that is bad, even if Hillary wins by a 2012 margin.

Are you aware that there's a Senate race in Nevada too?
Of course, and the candidate is one who is much better than what was nominated 4 years ago.

Sure, but the polls are a bit too close to feel comfortable. If NV turnout had been up a lot, we could have been able to call it for CCM.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: JerryArkansas on October 29, 2016, 12:41:36 PM
So % Dem lead in NV is down. I'm sorry, but I'm disappointed.

It basically parallels 2012 and that's all we need to win NV
Tony wants a 50 point win, anything less than that is bad, even if Hillary wins by a 2012 margin.

Are you aware that there's a Senate race in Nevada too?
Of course, and the candidate is one who is much better than what was nominated 4 years ago.

Sure, but the polls are a bit too close to feel comfortable. If NV turnout had been up a lot, we could have been able to call it for CCM.
You don't call elections until the polls are closed.  You line of thinking is flawed.  And polls are starting to show her pulling away.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on October 29, 2016, 12:43:41 PM
So % Dem lead in NV is down. I'm sorry, but I'm disappointed.

It basically parallels 2012 and that's all we need to win NV
Tony wants a 50 point win, anything less than that is bad, even if Hillary wins by a 2012 margin.

Are you aware that there's a Senate race in Nevada too?
Of course, and the candidate is one who is much better than what was nominated 4 years ago.

Sure, but the polls are a bit too close to feel comfortable. If NV turnout had been up a lot, we could have been able to call it for CCM.

There is nothing alarming in the NV stats...Hillary is pulling the same out of Clark and overperforming by a little in Washoe. Ralston all but declared Trump toast when HRC's lead in Clark is larger than 60k. She is at 40k now with another week to go. Step back from the ledge.

Dems won Clark by 3,600 votes on Friday - raw vote lead 40K. Same as '12 but percentage lower because more voters. Detailed post coming.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 29, 2016, 12:48:50 PM
Breakdown of early voting in each state

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/29/where-early-voting-hints-at-good-news-for-hillary-clinton-and-donald-trump/


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Brittain33 on October 29, 2016, 01:22:50 PM
So % Dem lead in NV is down. I'm sorry, but I'm disappointed.

Well, considering that this was a state where the educated/no-college-degree divide was going to smack Democrats, we should be grateful that increased turnout among other dimensions is enabling us to recreate the 2012 win.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 29, 2016, 01:24:04 PM
So % Dem lead in NV is down. I'm sorry, but I'm disappointed.

Well, considering that this was a state where the educated/no-college-degree divide was going to smack Democrats, we should be grateful that increased turnout among other dimensions is enabling us to recreate the 2012 win.

Are there any racial/ethnic statistics of the NV early vote? I'd like to see if the Latino vote is showing any signs of improving.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 29, 2016, 01:25:44 PM
Does anyone have any current thinking of Florida and Colorado?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: JerryArkansas on October 29, 2016, 01:29:38 PM
Does anyone have any current thinking of Florida and Colorado?
Florida it is hard to get a read off of due to the large number of Absentee ballots being sent it, but on Monday we will have better idea due to souls to the polls

Colorado, Dems are doing better, as long as republicans don't get a lead of about 2% in the ballots.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 29, 2016, 01:35:33 PM
Does anyone have any current thinking of Florida and Colorado?

What timing! Schale just posted his pre-weekend thoughts on FL.

http://steveschale.squarespace.com/blog/2016/10/29/florida-day-10-and-it-is-fsuclemson.html


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 29, 2016, 01:39:08 PM
Does anyone have any current thinking of Florida and Colorado?

What timing! Schale just posted his pre-weekend thoughts on FL.

http://steveschale.squarespace.com/blog/2016/10/29/florida-day-10-and-it-is-fsuclemson.html

Overall good news.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on October 29, 2016, 02:38:03 PM
Early voting numbers in Harris County, Texas looking very favorable for Clinton:

57% Female, much more heavily Latino, 13% of EV are first time voters.

Also, in 2016 a study indicated that 52% of county respidents identify as Democrats versus only 30% Republicans.


http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/politics/houston/article/Early-voting-numbers-surge-in-Harris-County-10421186.php


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Xing on October 29, 2016, 02:44:26 PM
Hillary's got NV. The vote gap is pretty much identical to 2012, and even if there are some crossover votes for Trump from WCWs, there are certainly some crossover votes for Hillary as well, from Latinos.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 29, 2016, 02:45:44 PM
Breakdown of early voting in each state

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/29/where-early-voting-hints-at-good-news-for-hillary-clinton-and-donald-trump/

This article has a lot of nice summary graphs-- thanks for the link


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 29, 2016, 04:17:53 PM
Breakdown of early voting in each state

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/29/where-early-voting-hints-at-good-news-for-hillary-clinton-and-donald-trump/

This article has a lot of nice summary graphs-- thanks for the link


My pleasure

NC Status as of 10/28

                         Clinton          Trump         Clinton       Trump
Already voted     686,000         462,000    56.7%     38.2%
Yet to vote        1,491,000   1,440,000    46.4%   44.8%
Total estimates   2,177,000   1,903,000   49.2%   43.0%


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: mark_twain on October 29, 2016, 04:57:05 PM

Voted for Clinton in GA today!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 29, 2016, 04:57:44 PM

You rock!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 29, 2016, 04:57:54 PM

Which county? Long line?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Badger on October 29, 2016, 05:17:58 PM

Based on recent ealry voting

FL+NC+OH in TRUMP's pocket.

so TRUMP just needs 10 EV more.

WI or NV+NH or MI or PA

#Trump2016



alright you twerp. it seems we're going to need a rehash.

$500 Trump loses and I'm giving you 2-1 . I'll further give you 3-2 odds he loses FL.

Put your money where your mouth is here and now, or S.T.F.U.

If you continue to post your unmeritorious crap without taking my challenge, you are officially an honorless poltroon--i.e. my bitch.

Ball's in your court, chump. Put up or shut up.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 29, 2016, 05:20:00 PM
Badger drops in and absolutely lays it down. Nice.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 29, 2016, 05:23:36 PM
Badger drops in and absolutely lays it down. Nice.

I've always wondered where Trump supporters would put their money if they had to bet their life savings on it.

My guess is that they would also probably bet Hillary like the rational people. But since talk is cheap, they are being intellectually dishonest with themselves.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 29, 2016, 05:31:33 PM
This thread is strangely quiet today. Throughout the past week I've heard people say that the weekend results would be crucial, so how is it going?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 29, 2016, 05:32:29 PM
This thread is strangely quiet today. Throughout the past week I've heard people say that the weekend results would be crucial, so how is it going?

No updates on the site yet. I've been tracking sporadically throughout the day.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 29, 2016, 05:33:40 PM
This thread is strangely quiet today. Throughout the past week I've heard people say that the weekend results would be crucial, so how is it going?

No updates on the site yet. I've been tracking sporadically throughout the day.

Yeah, it'll probably be 8 or 9 when Schale, Ralston, etc. come in with their info for the night.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 29, 2016, 05:36:19 PM
This thread is strangely quiet today. Throughout the past week I've heard people say that the weekend results would be crucial, so how is it going?

Ralston earlier around 10-11am said that turn out is 700 below Friday in Nevada. Not good for the democrats.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Illuminati Blood Drinker on October 29, 2016, 05:39:20 PM
This thread is strangely quiet today. Throughout the past week I've heard people say that the weekend results would be crucial, so how is it going?

Souls to the Polls happens on Sunday, you paranoid Chicken Littleing twat.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on October 29, 2016, 05:41:43 PM
This thread is strangely quiet today. Throughout the past week I've heard people say that the weekend results would be crucial, so how is it going?

Souls to the Polls happens on Sunday, you paranoid Chicken Littleing twat.
???


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 29, 2016, 05:42:47 PM
This thread is strangely quiet today. Throughout the past week I've heard people say that the weekend results would be crucial, so how is it going?

Ralston earlier around 10-11am said that turn out is 700 below Friday in Nevada. Not good for the democrats.

He also made the point that Friday was a holiday in Nevada.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Badger on October 29, 2016, 05:44:35 PM
Badger drops in and absolutely lays it down. Nice.

I've always wondered where Trump supporters would put their money if they had to bet their life savings on it.

My guess is that they would also probably bet Hillary like the rational people. But since talk is cheap, they are being intellectually dishonest with themselves.

exactly. i will win either poll states' money, silence, or honor. anyway it's a victory.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: windjammer on October 29, 2016, 05:45:48 PM
Any news about Florida?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 29, 2016, 05:50:37 PM

Was mentioned earlier but here you go.

http://steveschale.com/

Day five of in person early voting looked like this:

Vote By Mail:    128,058 (+1K from yesterday) votes, GOP won (43-36-21), or just under 10K votes

In Person Early Vote: 265,310 votes (up about 1,500 from yesterday), Dems won (40-39-21) or just under 1K votes

393,368 votes were counted, and GOP won the day by about 9,000.

This brings us into total votes 3,258,034 with leading GOP up about 0.6%.

One other big picture number: There are now almost 70,000 more Democrats in Florida with a vote by mail ballot that they have not returned.  Data does show that Democrats have been returning theirs as quick, if not quicker than Republicans, but had a higher number of post-October 1 requests. Because Democrats actually have 5,000 more overall requests, the GOP VBM numbers should level out.  Even at current lower Dem return rates, the GOP advantage should reduce by about 20,000 by election day, given the Dems larger number of outstanding ballots.


Essentially GOP is holding Democrats off in the raw total votes and expanding the lead but that's because Democrats have many more outstanding absentee mail requests.

Higher % of GOP votes are also from already likely voters, whereas higher % of Democrats votes are from low propensity voters.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 29, 2016, 05:51:38 PM
Those numbers are from the mid morning, just as an FYI.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 29, 2016, 06:06:10 PM
The numbers out of Hillsborough County (+6.4% Dem lead) feel pretty good. It's predicted correctly 19 of the last 20 Presidents.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: OneJ on October 29, 2016, 06:06:57 PM
Kyle Griffin on Twitter: Out of 12 battlegrounds, DEM early/absentee voters outpacing GOP in 8: CO, IA, MI, NC, NV, OH, VA, WI —NBC analysis of TargetSmart data.

Link: https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/792478146612387840


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 29, 2016, 06:09:06 PM
@RalstonReports  17s seconds ago

Turnout today in Clark County is going to be higher than Friday. 24,000 by 3 PM. It was 22,000 at same time Friday.



Any fear about turnout being down early in the day seems to have been unnecessary (...as usual).


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 29, 2016, 06:09:59 PM
@RalstonReports  17s seconds ago

Turnout today in Clark County is going to be higher than Friday. 24,000 by 3 PM. It was 22,000 at same time Friday.

#BS-E-Mail Motivation


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 29, 2016, 06:10:46 PM
@RalstonReports  17s seconds ago

Turnout today in Clark County is going to be higher than Friday. 24,000 by 3 PM. It was 22,000 at same time Friday.



Any fear about turnout being down early in the day seems to have been unnecessary (...as usual).

Democratic base furious with Comey and taking it out on Comey and Trump. For reference, turnout on the same day in Clark was only 2000 higher, so we're looking to exceed 2012 at least on this metric


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 29, 2016, 06:11:22 PM
@RalstonReports  17s seconds ago

Turnout today in Clark County is going to be higher than Friday. 24,000 by 3 PM. It was 22,000 at same time Friday.



Any fear about turnout being down early in the day seems to have been unnecessary (...as usual).
Yeah, it's important not to read too much into Ralston's initial updates.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 29, 2016, 06:12:40 PM
@RalstonReports  17s seconds ago

Turnout today in Clark County is going to be higher than Friday. 24,000 by 3 PM. It was 22,000 at same time Friday.



Any fear about turnout being down early in the day seems to have been unnecessary (...as usual).

Democratic base furious with Comey and taking it out on Comey and Trump. For reference, turnout on the same day in Clark was only 2000 higher, so we're looking to exceed 2012 at least on this metric

I was livid yesterday, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels insulted in the same way, and I'm not even a partisan voter.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on October 29, 2016, 06:35:50 PM
@RalstonReports  17s seconds ago

Turnout today in Clark County is going to be higher than Friday. 24,000 by 3 PM. It was 22,000 at same time Friday.



Any fear about turnout being down early in the day seems to have been unnecessary (...as usual).

Democratic base furious with Comey and taking it out on Comey and Trump. For reference, turnout on the same day in Clark was only 2000 higher, so we're looking to exceed 2012 at least on this metric

idk about the motivation of the increased total turnout today, it could just as easily be that it's a Saturday so a lot of M-F workers, college students, and offshift Casino workers find it easier to take the time to vote on a Saturday than during a normal weekday. ;)

Still regardless, good news for Team Clinton and curious about the current D-R-NAP breakdown in Clark County after today's update in terms of both vote banking, as well as capturing 1st time voters....


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 29, 2016, 06:41:10 PM
Tom Bonier

"By this morning, over 1 million people will have voted in Ohio. Democrats have an 11% lead in modeled partisan vote share."

"15% of the OH vote thus far has come from people who did not vote in '12. That universe is +4% Dem. GOP is turning out likely voters."


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 29, 2016, 07:22:42 PM
Sorry for the long post but this is CNN's update with my truncated highlights.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/29/politics/early-voter-data/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_politics

Arizona

Registered Republicans took the lead in Arizona this week......But their advantage today is about half the size it was at this point in 2012. Republicans are currently ahead of Democrats by 34,000 votes, or 3.6% of the vote. At this point in 2012, Republicans were ahead by more than 62,000 votes, which translated to a 9.7% lead.

More than 915,000 people have already voted in Arizona, an increase from this time in 2012. About two-thirds of all votes in the Grand Canyon State were cast early in the last presidential election.

Colorado

Registered Democrats continue to lead Republicans in terms of turnout -- an edge they've maintained since ballots started being returned. They're up about 27,000 votes, which is a significant turnaround from this time in 2012, when Republicans were leading by about 19,000 votes.

In fact, 38% of all ballots returned have come from voters over 65, even though that age group was only 16% of the Colorado electorate in 2012.

Georgia

Georgia has crossed the 1 million mark in terms of ballots cast. More than 1,061,000 people have already hit the polls in the Peach State -- a spike of about 37% from this time in 2012.

Turnout among white voters rose by about 3%, while turnout among black voters is down by about 4.5%.

Florida

Republicans continue to lead Democrats in Florida early voting by a very slim margin. Registered Republicans are ahead by about 13,545 votes, a smaller lead than they had one week ago.
This is still a decent showing for the GOP -- it's preferable to be ahead than behind -- but they are still behind their pace from 2008, the last year that comparable data is available. At this point in 2008, registered Republicans had a 44,000-vote advantage, which meant they were ahead by about 2.8%.

Iowa

Democrats are winning the turnout battle, and are currently ahead of Republicans by about 39,000 votes. But that's a significant drop from their position at this point in 2012, when they led by 56,000. Democrats enjoyed a similar lead of about 50,000 votes at this point in 2008 as well.
Furthermore, the Democratic lead has been shrinking. They were up by 16% one week ago, but they're ahead by 10% today.

Nevada

The Democratic edge stands at about 26,000 votes. That's a good sign for Democrats up and down the ballot -- in addition to the presidential race, there are competitive Senate and House seats up for grabs. Earlier this week, Democrats were doing better than 2012. But according to the latest data, they are now slightly behind that pace: They're up by 8.8% today, but were ahead by 9.3% at this time in 2012.

North Carolina

The Democratic advantage in North Carolina's early voting continues, but may be slowing down. They're up by more than 186,000 votes, which gives them a 15% lead over registered Republicans. This is the smallest lead (as a percent of the vote) Democrats have seen since early voting began October 20.

Turnout among African American voters in has apparently dropped. So far, black voters are about 23% of the early voting electorate. That number was 29% at this point four years ago.

Ohio

Registered Republicans are up by about 39,000 votes, an improvement from their position in 2008.

About one-third of Ohioans voted early in 2012. That number is on track to be lower this year, a likely result of the Republican-led legislature scaling back the number of early voting days. That change was enacted in 2013 and is in effect for the first time in a presidential election this year.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: mark_twain on October 29, 2016, 07:24:17 PM

Gwinnett County

40 minute line...read a magazine in nice weather during that time!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 29, 2016, 07:29:26 PM

Gwinnett County

40 minute line...read a magazine in nice weather during that time!


Congrats! Lucky early voters....


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on October 29, 2016, 08:08:46 PM

Gwinnett County

40 minute line...read a magazine in nice weather during that time!


Actually that's a vast improvement. Last week there were 3-4 hour lines there.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on October 29, 2016, 08:19:08 PM

Gwinnett County

40 minute line...read a magazine in nice weather during that time!


Actually that's a vast improvement. Last week there were 3-4 hour lines there.

They only had one early voting location to start with.  They have since opened seven additional locations (I believe they opened today, although I'm not certain of this.)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: OneJ on October 29, 2016, 08:20:29 PM
25.5% of active voters of Florida have voted

Link: https://electionsmith.wordpress.com/2016/10/29/an-electionsmith-exclusive-floridas-latest-party-raceethnicity-age-turnout-figures-as-of-this-morning/

Party Turnout
-29.4% of 4.5m active registered Republicans have voted.

-27.0% of 4.8m active registered Democrats have voted.

-17.6% of 3.0m active registered No Party Affiliates have voted.

Racial/Ethnic Turnout

-28.1% of 8.2m active registered Whites have voted.

-20.6% of 1.7m active registered Blacks have voted.

-21.4% of 2.0m active registered Hispanics have voted.

Age Turnout

-41% of the 4.5m voters 60 and older have voted.

-25.6% of the 3.3m voters 45-59 have voted.

-14.7% of the 2.3m voters 30-44 have voted.

-9.5% of the 2.0m voters 18-29 have voted.




Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 29, 2016, 08:27:26 PM
25.5% of active voters of Florida have voted

Link: https://electionsmith.wordpress.com/2016/10/29/an-electionsmith-exclusive-floridas-latest-party-raceethnicity-age-turnout-figures-as-of-this-morning/

Party Turnout
-29.4% of 4.5m active registered Republicans have voted.

-27.0% of 4.8m active registered Democrats have voted.

-17.6% of 3.0m active registered No Party Affiliates have voted.

Racial/Ethnic Turnout

-28.1% of 8.2m active registered Whites have voted.

-20.6% of 1.7m active registered Blacks have voted.

-21.4% of 2.0m active registered Hispanics have voted.

Age Turnout

-41% of the 4.5m voters 60 and older have voted.

-25.6% of the 3.3m voters 45-59 have voted.

-14.7% of the 2.3m voters 30-44 have voted.

-9.5% of the 2.0m voters 18-29 have voted.

Not bad for the first 5 days of early voting. If anyone is nervous about the ages, note that VBM is essentially designed for seniors. Will be interested to see how today went.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 29, 2016, 08:58:44 PM
Today's voting did not change the Upshot NC tracker projection. Clinton's projected final vote share went up by .1%, still ~49-43.

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/792545190976323584


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Maxwell on October 29, 2016, 09:05:09 PM
So today's news wasn't that great?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 29, 2016, 09:07:51 PM

since this is not a tally but a projection, it couldn't really change that much.

in fact, if it got worse, you should have worried....if it meets cohn's projections, hillary is winning.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 29, 2016, 09:08:13 PM

I'd say it's more that the end of last week wasn't that great and we haven't really heard anything for today yet. Upshot's NC not moving sounds fine to me; it should have already been predicting what a weekend day would look like, so if the projection didn't move, we got the votes we expected to. They still see her winning NC by 6% after today's tallies. We're still waiting to hear out of FL, NV, etc., so far as I can tell, anyway.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: #TheShadowyAbyss on October 29, 2016, 09:15:40 PM
Total votes in Volusia county as of Oct 29th:

101,372 (mail-in-vote and in person):

42,237 Republicans - 41.7%
38,023 Democrats - 37.5%
21,112 NPA/Other - 20.8%

total votes cast in 2012:

235,354

So 43.1% of my county residents have voted compared to 2012.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 29, 2016, 09:20:16 PM
In-person registrations for this week in NC, per Michael McDonald. Looks young and like a lot is from recently hard swinging Wake County.


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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 29, 2016, 09:24:34 PM
michael states it himself:

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Most of the new unaffiliated registrations come from young people, a group Trump consistently polls poorly among


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Mehmentum on October 29, 2016, 09:30:39 PM
michael states it himself:

Quote
Most of the new unaffiliated registrations come from young people, a group Trump consistently polls poorly among
Likely Sanders supporters.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 29, 2016, 09:33:14 PM
translation:

NC dems won't have a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig registrered voters lead but HRC is going to have more votes at the end according to upshot/electproject.



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 29, 2016, 09:40:13 PM
Democrats win early voting in Washoe County by 18 votes today

3097-3079

https://www.washoecounty.us/voters/electioninformation/ev_turnout_reports.php


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 29, 2016, 09:41:55 PM
Democrats win early voting in Washoe County by 18 votes today

3097-3079

https://www.washoecounty.us/voters/electioninformation/ev_turnout_reports.php
These repeated victories in Washoe are a big deal.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 29, 2016, 09:43:40 PM
Democrats win early voting in Washoe County by 18 votes today

3097-3079

https://www.washoecounty.us/voters/electioninformation/ev_turnout_reports.php
These repeated victories in Washoe are a big deal.

Didn't Dems win Washoe in 2012 already?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 29, 2016, 09:44:30 PM
Democrats win early voting in Washoe County by 18 votes today

3097-3079

https://www.washoecounty.us/voters/electioninformation/ev_turnout_reports.php
These repeated victories in Washoe are a big deal.

Didn't Dems win Washoe in 2012 already?

They went into week 2 with a narrower lead in Washoe in 2012


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 29, 2016, 09:45:31 PM
Democrats win early voting in Washoe County by 18 votes today

3097-3079

https://www.washoecounty.us/voters/electioninformation/ev_turnout_reports.php
These repeated victories in Washoe are a big deal.

Didn't Dems win Washoe in 2012 too?

Yes, by about 3.5% - but it's the key to NV. The Dems are in a stronger position than in 2012 and if the Dems win Washoe, they've won the state.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 29, 2016, 09:50:09 PM
Once again, taking NV off the table removes all win paths that do not include either PA or WI


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 29, 2016, 09:55:27 PM
Once again, taking NV off the table removes all win paths that do not include either PA or WI

If Trump has a chance to win any of Hillary's firewall state, it's actually NH imo (very independent-thinking, elastic state).

Even NH is extremely unlikely for him but if he does pull it off there, NV can substitute the loss.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 29, 2016, 10:23:43 PM
Does http://www.electproject.org/early_2016 not update during the weekends? There have barely been any today except from a couple of states.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 29, 2016, 10:27:38 PM
Does http://www.electproject.org/early_2016 not update during the weekends? There have barely been any today except from a couple of states.

Just saw him tweet about how slow Georgia's automated updated system runs, so I think it's more a function of the various states not updating as much...


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Doimper on October 29, 2016, 10:56:48 PM
Once again, taking NV off the table removes all win paths that do not include either PA or WI

If Trump has a chance to win any of Hillary's firewall state, it's actually NH imo (very independent-thinking, elastic state).

TN Volunteer is hurtling towards this thread at 300 mph


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 29, 2016, 10:59:12 PM
The new numbers for GA are in, though I haven't followed GA close enough to know if they're significant in any way.

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 29, 2016, 11:00:29 PM
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  2m2 minutes ago
More younger people voted in Georgia today, age 60+ -2.1 points from 46.5% to 44.4% of all early voters. Expect more this coming week


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Maxwell on October 29, 2016, 11:00:52 PM
the gender gap is fascinating - it seems much larger than in previous years. Is that just an early vote thing or is that something new happening this election?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 29, 2016, 11:04:48 PM
https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/792576880360775680

"If past patterns hold, as Election Day approaches we should see more and more younger people voting early"


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on October 29, 2016, 11:08:28 PM
I suspect we won't have a clear picture of EV numbers until we see the results from the "Souls to the Polls" as well as a surge of weekend numbers from states rolling from Texas to Ohio...

Meanwhile, Atlas will roll on and debate and discuss every infinitesimal movement in the numbers, but we will likely have a much better picture come EOB Monday....

Just sayin'


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Maxwell on October 29, 2016, 11:10:22 PM
I suspect we won't have a clear picture of EV numbers until we see the results from the "Souls to the Polls" as well as a surge of weekend numbers from states rolling from Texas to Ohio...

Meanwhile, Atlas will roll on and debate and discuss every infinitesimal movement in the numbers, but we will likely have a much better picture come EOB Monday....

Just sayin'

fair enough - this is the first election I've really dug through early vote numbers so I don't really know what to look for.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 29, 2016, 11:11:24 PM
I suspect we won't have a clear picture of EV numbers until we see the results from the "Souls to the Polls" as well as a surge of weekend numbers from states rolling from Texas to Ohio...

Meanwhile, Atlas will roll on and debate and discuss every infinitesimal movement in the numbers, but we will likely have a much better picture come EOB Monday....

Just sayin'

fair enough - this is the first election I've really dug through early vote numbers so I don't really know what to look for.

Same. Plus, the forum's been a graveyard today, so what else is there to do then ramble on with whatever we get? We're nerds without numbers today.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 29, 2016, 11:14:32 PM
Good reminder from Nate Cohn about early voting:

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@Nate_Cohn  22s23 seconds ago Manhattan, NY
True in all Upshot polls of NC/FL/PA: Clinton ahead among *registered* unaffiliated voters, but behind among *self-identified* unaffiliated


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 29, 2016, 11:22:33 PM
do not-registered UAF matter in any way?

they are part of the dem/rep-numbers anyway, not?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Alcon on October 29, 2016, 11:25:59 PM
do not-registered UAF matter in any way?

they are part of the dem/rep-numbers anyway, not?

Cohn is pointing out that there's a difference in how people are registered with the state, and how they identify themselves when a pollster calls.  I believe there are more voters who are registered as unaffiliated (because they didn't bother to pick a party) but then identify with their current lean when they are called.  My recollection (maybe I'm wrong) is that a lot of young people are registered unaffiliated, but identify as Democratic if asked.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 29, 2016, 11:27:59 PM
do not-registered UAF matter in any way?

they are part of the dem/rep-numbers anyway, not?

Cohn is pointing out that there's a difference in how people are registered with the state, and how they identify themselves when a pollster calls.  I believe there are more voters who are registered as unaffiliated (because they didn't bother to enroll) but then identify with their current lean when they are called.  My recollection (maybe I'm wrong) is that a lot of young people are registered unaffiliated, but identify as Democratic.

Yep. And, OTOH, many current R's/conservatives are self-IDing as independents, even though they aren't registered as such. Both just point to a need for a different lens according to whether you're looking at EV data or poll #s.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Alcon on October 29, 2016, 11:45:28 PM
do not-registered UAF matter in any way?

they are part of the dem/rep-numbers anyway, not?

Cohn is pointing out that there's a difference in how people are registered with the state, and how they identify themselves when a pollster calls.  I believe there are more voters who are registered as unaffiliated (because they didn't bother to enroll) but then identify with their current lean when they are called.  My recollection (maybe I'm wrong) is that a lot of young people are registered unaffiliated, but identify as Democratic.

Yep. And, OTOH, many current R's/conservatives are self-IDing as independents, even though they aren't registered as such. Both just point to a need for a different lens according to whether you're looking at EV data or poll #s.

Yep!  This is the big problem with re-weighing to party ID.  Imagine both things are true.  You have young, independent-registered voters identifying as Democrats.  You also have Republican-registered voters identifying as independent, because they don't like the party.

That means your poll will show as having too many Democrats, and too few Republicans.  It also means your self-identified Independent sample is more Republican than actual, registered Independents.  That's because it's lacking a lot of Democratic-leaning Independents (those young voters who are IDing as Democrats), and includes a lot of registered Republicans (those registered Republicans identifying as Independents).

If this happens, your sample should be more Democratic, and less Republican, than registered voters.  Re-weighting to party ID will mess this up.  Also, because your self-IDed Independents are a lot more Republican than actual Independents, re-weighting to party ID will further skew the sample Republican.

(Sorry, I'm sure y'all know this, just my daily Bill Mitchell antidote)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 30, 2016, 12:09:16 AM
Jon Ralston ‏2m ago

Dems won Clark by 4,000 today.

Dems – 14226

GOP – 10015

NP – 6829

About like 2012

Dems up about 44.000 in Clark now.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 30, 2016, 12:15:05 AM
Jon Ralston ‏2m ago

Dems won Clark by 4,000 today.

Dems – 14226

GOP – 10015

NP – 6829

About like 2012

Dems up about 44.000 in Clark now.

Wonderful news.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 30, 2016, 12:16:03 AM
IS EVERYONE READY FOR SOULS TO THE POLLS?!?!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 30, 2016, 12:25:48 AM
Jon Ralston ‏2m ago

Dems won Clark by 4,000 today.

Dems – 14226

GOP – 10015

NP – 6829

About like 2012

Dems up about 44.000 in Clark now.

Wonderful news.

Sorry to be a broken record but... how does the % margin compare?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on October 30, 2016, 12:26:45 AM
IS EVERYONE READY FOR SOULS TO THE POLLS?!?!

PRAISE THE LORD!!!

HALLELUJAH!!!!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Confused Democrat on October 30, 2016, 12:36:14 AM
IS EVERYONE READY FOR SOULS TO THE POLLS?!?!

PRAISE THE LORD!!!

HALLELUJAH!!!!

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: komodozer on October 30, 2016, 12:48:10 AM
Wasn't "Souls to the Polls" proven to be a big bust?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: OneJ on October 30, 2016, 12:48:18 AM

I can feel the Holy Ghost right now to be honest!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Adam Griffin on October 30, 2016, 07:10:34 AM
Not sure if anybody has posted this yet, but it's kind of interesting:

https://floridaturnout.com/


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on October 30, 2016, 07:58:02 AM
do not-registered UAF matter in any way?

they are part of the dem/rep-numbers anyway, not?

Cohn is pointing out that there's a difference in how people are registered with the state, and how they identify themselves when a pollster calls.  I believe there are more voters who are registered as unaffiliated (because they didn't bother to enroll) but then identify with their current lean when they are called.  My recollection (maybe I'm wrong) is that a lot of young people are registered unaffiliated, but identify as Democratic.

Yep. And, OTOH, many current R's/conservatives are self-IDing as independents, even though they aren't registered as such. Both just point to a need for a different lens according to whether you're looking at EV data or poll #s.

Yep!  This is the big problem with re-weighing to party ID.  Imagine both things are true.  You have young, independent-registered voters identifying as Democrats.  You also have Republican-registered voters identifying as independent, because they don't like the party.

That means your poll will show as having too many Democrats, and too few Republicans.  It also means your self-identified Independent sample is more Republican than actual, registered Independents.  That's because it's lacking a lot of Democratic-leaning Independents (those young voters who are IDing as Democrats), and includes a lot of registered Republicans (those registered Republicans identifying as Independents).

If this happens, your sample should be more Democratic, and less Republican, than registered voters.  Re-weighting to party ID will mess this up.  Also, because your self-IDed Independents are a lot more Republican than actual Independents, re-weighting to party ID will further skew the sample Republican.

(Sorry, I'm sure y'all know this, just my daily Bill Mitchell antidote)

In Florida it might be the other way round (OBS. it is based just on one poll, might be an outlier).

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/10/30/upshot/florida-poll.html
Quote
Clinton weakness among white working-class Democrats
Mr. Trump leads among white voters without a college degree by an impressive margin of 63 percent to 24 percent. He’s so strong that Mrs. Clinton has just 55 percent of the vote among white registered Democrats without a degree, compared with Mr. Trump’s 32 percent.

Though
Quote
Mrs. Clinton actually leads among voters who are unaffiliated with a major party — something that’s been true in all five Upshot surveys: in North Carolina (two surveys), Florida (two) and Pennsylvania (one). In this case, it’s by a 10-point margin.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ‼realJohnEwards‼ on October 30, 2016, 08:19:26 AM
do not-registered UAF matter in any way?

they are part of the dem/rep-numbers anyway, not?

Cohn is pointing out that there's a difference in how people are registered with the state, and how they identify themselves when a pollster calls.  I believe there are more voters who are registered as unaffiliated (because they didn't bother to enroll) but then identify with their current lean when they are called.  My recollection (maybe I'm wrong) is that a lot of young people are registered unaffiliated, but identify as Democratic.

Yep. And, OTOH, many current R's/conservatives are self-IDing as independents, even though they aren't registered as such. Both just point to a need for a different lens according to whether you're looking at EV data or poll #s.

Yep!  This is the big problem with re-weighing to party ID.  Imagine both things are true.  You have young, independent-registered voters identifying as Democrats.  You also have Republican-registered voters identifying as independent, because they don't like the party.

That means your poll will show as having too many Democrats, and too few Republicans.  It also means your self-identified Independent sample is more Republican than actual, registered Independents.  That's because it's lacking a lot of Democratic-leaning Independents (those young voters who are IDing as Democrats), and includes a lot of registered Republicans (those registered Republicans identifying as Independents).

If this happens, your sample should be more Democratic, and less Republican, than registered voters.  Re-weighting to party ID will mess this up.  Also, because your self-IDed Independents are a lot more Republican than actual Independents, re-weighting to party ID will further skew the sample Republican.

(Sorry, I'm sure y'all know this, just my daily Bill Mitchell antidote)

In Florida it might be the other way round (OBS. it is based just on one poll, might be an outlier).

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/10/30/upshot/florida-poll.html
Quote
Clinton weakness among white working-class Democrats
Mr. Trump leads among white voters without a college degree by an impressive margin of 63 percent to 24 percent. He’s so strong that Mrs. Clinton has just 55 percent of the vote among white registered Democrats without a degree, compared with Mr. Trump’s 32 percent.

Though
Quote
Mrs. Clinton actually leads among voters who are unaffiliated with a major party — something that’s been true in all five Upshot surveys: in North Carolina (two surveys), Florida (two) and Pennsylvania (one). In this case, it’s by a 10-point margin.
This isn't surprising. Plenty of Panhandle whites register as Dem despite never voting that way.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 30, 2016, 08:21:19 AM
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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on October 30, 2016, 08:28:30 AM
This isn't surprising. Plenty of Panhandle whites register as Dem despite never voting that way.

As I understood, Trump is extra strong (comparing to other Republicans) in this segment. The point is that one should be extra cautious with "extrapolating" early voting data.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 30, 2016, 08:47:23 AM
10/30:
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Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  6m6 minutes ago
Dems continue to make up lost ground in NC with the expansion of polling locations. Down -4.0% from 2012 levels today, was -4.7% y'day.

Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  4m4 minutes ago
Like Georgia yesterday, NC early voters became younger. Age 60+ went from 47.8% to 46.0% (-1.8%) of early voters in one day

Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  1m1 minute ago
Today is the critical "souls to polls" day for African-American churches in North Carolina. There is no NC Sunday in-person voting next week.

Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  43s44 seconds ago
More NC Dems voted yesterday than in 2012 (+7,062), dispelling pundit speculation that Comey letter would slow down Dem voting


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gass3268 on October 30, 2016, 09:00:09 AM
Based on polling, I'm starting to think that Hillary's getting a % of Registered Republicans and unaffiliateds in the early vote.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 30, 2016, 09:01:48 AM
Based on polling, I'm starting to think that Hillary's getting a % of Registered Republicans and unaffiliateds in the early vote.

Regarding registered unafilliateds, most definitely. The kind of numbers in the early voter polls would probably not be possible without sizeable Clinton strength in that group.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: JerryArkansas on October 30, 2016, 09:01:51 AM
In NC yesterday, 7062 more Democrats voted than in 2012 on that same day.  Turnout doesn't seem to be taking a hit.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: heatcharger on October 30, 2016, 09:02:22 AM
10/30:
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  1m1 minute ago
Today is the critical "souls to polls" day for African-American churches in North Carolina. There is no NC Sunday in-person voting next week.

Pisses me off so much that they did that. I hope they feel energized to vote because of the NC GOP's efforts to disenfranchise them.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 30, 2016, 09:03:31 AM
In NC yesterday, 7062 more Democrats voted than in 2012 on that same day.  Turnout doesn't seem to be taking a hit.

We're absolutely livid with Comey


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: LimoLiberal on October 30, 2016, 09:49:01 AM
https://twitter.com/electionsmith/status/792733751063121921

"Yesterday was a lackluster day of early voting for Dems in Florida...only 3.5k more Ds than Rs voted EIP. In '12, Ds>Rs on 1st Sat by 40k"

Coupled with new polls from Florida today, no bueno.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 30, 2016, 09:54:07 AM
https://twitter.com/electionsmith/status/792733751063121921

"Yesterday was a lackluster day of early voting for Dems in Florida...only 3.5k more Ds than Rs voted EIP. In '12, Ds>Rs on 1st Sat by 40k"

Coupled with new polls from Florida today, no bueno.

Now those are some not so great numbers. It's offset a little bit, as he notes after this, that unaffiliated voters in FL this cycle look to be and should be breaking hard to HRC, but that's still not a great number.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 30, 2016, 10:05:40 AM
"In 2008, the early voting calendar was similar to this one, though the GOP went in with a much larger VBM lead.  If memory serves me right, it was the weekend when Democrats overtook the GOP. "


So if Democrats haven't taken the lead in raw votes by the end of the day, they're in trouble.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 30, 2016, 10:05:59 AM
i think it would be intellectually honest to assume atm that mister trump is going to win florida.

if not we are dealing with changes, which couldn't have been polled, like a large cross-over-vote/haaaaard break of non-aff.



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 30, 2016, 10:06:39 AM
"In 2008, the early voting calendar was similar to this one, though the GOP went in with a much larger VBM lead.  If memory serves me right, it was the weekend when Democrats overtook the GOP. "


So if Democrats haven't taken the lead in raw votes by the end of the day, they're in trouble.

What state are you referring to?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 30, 2016, 10:07:55 AM
"In 2008, the early voting calendar was similar to this one, though the GOP went in with a much larger VBM lead.  If memory serves me right, it was the weekend when Democrats overtook the GOP. "


So if Democrats haven't taken the lead in raw votes by the end of the day, they're in trouble.

What state are you referring to?

Sorry, FL


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Badger on October 30, 2016, 10:12:00 AM
https://twitter.com/electionsmith/status/792733751063121921

"Yesterday was a lackluster day of early voting for Dems in Florida...only 3.5k more Ds than Rs voted EIP. In '12, Ds>Rs on 1st Sat by 40k"

Coupled with new polls from Florida today, no bueno.

Now those are some not so great numbers. It's offset a little bit, as he notes after this, that unaffiliated voters in FL this cycle look to be and should be breaking hard to HRC, but that's still not a great number.

wait a minute y'all. as a commentator in Smith's feed said, and Smith acknowledged, 1st Saturday in 12 was also the first dat of EIV. True?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 30, 2016, 10:13:35 AM
https://twitter.com/electionsmith/status/792733751063121921

"Yesterday was a lackluster day of early voting for Dems in Florida...only 3.5k more Ds than Rs voted EIP. In '12, Ds>Rs on 1st Sat by 40k"

Coupled with new polls from Florida today, no bueno.

Now those are some not so great numbers. It's offset a little bit, as he notes after this, that unaffiliated voters in FL this cycle look to be and should be breaking hard to HRC, but that's still not a great number.

wait a minute y'all. as a commentator in Smith's feed said, and Smith acknowledged, 1st Saturday in 12 was also the first dat of EIV. True?

Which is why 2008 is the better comparison. But even 2008 is not an apple to apple comparison because there are much greater unaffiliated # breaking for Hillary this year.

But even beyond that, she needs to be performing better than right now if she wants to win by 1-2%.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 30, 2016, 10:15:24 AM
https://twitter.com/electionsmith/status/792733751063121921

"Yesterday was a lackluster day of early voting for Dems in Florida...only 3.5k more Ds than Rs voted EIP. In '12, Ds>Rs on 1st Sat by 40k"

Coupled with new polls from Florida today, no bueno.

Now those are some not so great numbers. It's offset a little bit, as he notes after this, that unaffiliated voters in FL this cycle look to be and should be breaking hard to HRC, but that's still not a great number.

wait a minute y'all. as a commentator in Smith's feed said, and Smith acknowledged, 1st Saturday in 12 was also the first dat of EIV. True?

Ah, interesting. Thanks for the clarification. We'll see what Schale has to say if/when he updates today. Thanks!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 30, 2016, 10:17:03 AM
wait a minute y'all. as a commentator in Smith's feed said, and Smith acknowledged, 1st Saturday in 12 was also the first dat of EIV. True?

you are correct.

just read that early voting in 2012 started 5 days after the last debate, means october 27th...


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which was a saturday.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 30, 2016, 10:27:27 AM
"Percentage of all Vote-by-Mail (VBM) ballots cast by Hispanics:

2016 =  12.9%
2012 = 9.5%

Percentage of all Early In-Person (EIP) ballots cast by Hispanics:

2016 = 14.2%
2012 = 9.9%"

https://electionsmith.wordpress.com/2016/10/29/an-electionsmith-exclusive-floridas-latest-party-raceethnicity-age-turnout-figures-as-of-this-morning/

As of this morning, some 3.23m of the state’s 12.7m active registered voters have cast Vote-by-Mail or Early In-Person ballots in Florida. So, 25.5% of active voters on the rolls have already turned out to vote in the Sunshine State.

Party Turnout

29.4% of 4.5m active registered Republicans have voted.
27.0% of 4.8m active registered Democrats have voted.
17.6% of 3.0m active registered No Party Affiliates have voted.

Racial/Ethnic Turnout

28.1% of 8.2m active registered Whites have voted.
20.6% of 1.7m active registered Blacks have voted.
21.4% of 2.0m active registered Hispanics have voted.

Age Turnout

41% of the 4.5m voters 60 and older have voted.
25.6% of the 3.3m voters 45-59 have voted.
14.7% of the 2.3m voters 30-44 have voted.
9.5% of the 2.0m voters 18-29 have voted.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 30, 2016, 10:33:29 AM
"NV early voting blog updated!
Dem firewall in Clark close to 44,000. Statewide lead above 31,000. A lot like 2012."


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: swf541 on October 30, 2016, 10:36:45 AM
"NV early voting blog updated!
Dem firewall in Clark close to 44,000. Statewide lead above 31,000. A lot like 2012."

Nevada seems to be looking pretty good


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 30, 2016, 10:52:11 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/29/politics/early-voter-data/
Updated 10/30 8AM

Arizona
-GOP up 34K/3.6%.
-In 2012, they were up 62K/9.7%.

Colorado
-Dems up 27K, compared to GOP lead of 19K in 2012.

Georgia
-Turnout among white voters rose by about 3% vs 2012
-Turnout among black voters is down by about 4.5% vs 2012

Florida
-Registered Republicans are ahead by about 13,545 votes, a smaller lead than they had one week ago. -At this point in 2008, registered Republicans had a 44,000-vote advantage

Iowa
-Democrats are currently ahead of Republicans by about 39,000 votes. But that's a significant drop from their position at this point in 2012, when they led by 56,000.

Nevada
-Democrats are up by 8.8% today, but were ahead by 9.3% at this time in 2012.

North Carolina
-Democrats have a 15% lead over registered Republicans. This is the smallest lead (as a percent of the vote) Democrats have seen since early voting began October 20.
-black voters are about 23% of the early voting electorate. That number was 29% at this point four years ago.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 30, 2016, 10:57:18 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/29/politics/early-voter-data/
Updated 10/30 8AM

Arizona
-GOP up 34K/3.6%.
-In 2012, they were up 62K/9.7%.

Colorado
-Dems up 27K, compared to GOP lead of 19K in 2012.

Georgia
-Turnout among white voters rose by about 3% vs 2012
-Turnout among black voters is down by about 4.5% vs 2012

Florida
-Registered Republicans are ahead by about 13,545 votes, a smaller lead than they had one week ago. -At this point in 2008, registered Republicans had a 44,000-vote advantage


Iowa
-Democrats are currently ahead of Republicans by about 39,000 votes. But that's a significant drop from their position at this point in 2012, when they led by 56,000.

Nevada
-Democrats are up by 8.8% today, but were ahead by 9.3% at this time in 2012.

North Carolina
-Democrats have a 15% lead over registered Republicans. This is the smallest lead (as a percent of the vote) Democrats have seen since early voting began October 20.
-black voters are about 23% of the early voting electorate. That number was 29% at this point four years ago.

According to Florida election site, the lead for Republicans' raw votes now is 23,446 as of 10/30 morning.

https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 30, 2016, 11:02:46 AM
i think, if HRC wins florida, we won't be able to figure it out with official data till election day.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: swf541 on October 30, 2016, 11:10:46 AM
i think, if HRC wins florida, we won't be able to figure it out with official data till election day.

Pretty much it will be closer either way, and I'd expect a lot of crossover votes both ways in Florida this year.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 30, 2016, 11:35:28 AM
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Republicans lead over Democrats is not as reliable anymore. Too many NPA this year.

Depends on whom majority of NPA are voting for this year.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 30, 2016, 11:37:46 AM
I don't think we can draw a real conclusion about FL until all the early vote results are in on 11/7 due to the different voting schedule


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Maxwell on October 30, 2016, 11:46:04 AM
from what I've read so far a lot of NPA voters are Hispanic.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 30, 2016, 11:46:43 AM
unaff according to the "experts" more youngish and latino.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 30, 2016, 11:56:32 AM
This is why you build a ground game:

Quote
Nate Cohn

18 percent of our early voters in NC said they were less than "Almost Certain" to vote. They would have missed the cut in many LV screens.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 30, 2016, 12:01:55 PM
Breakdown of early voting in each state

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/29/where-early-voting-hints-at-good-news-for-hillary-clinton-and-donald-trump/

This article has a lot of nice summary graphs-- thanks for the link


My pleasure

NC Status as of 10/28

                         Clinton          Trump         Clinton       Trump
Already voted     686,000         462,000    56.7%     38.2%
Yet to vote        1,491,000   1,440,000    46.4%   44.8%
Total estimates   2,177,000   1,903,000   49.2%   43.0%

Update as of 10/30 on NC

   IN RAW VOTES   AS A PCT.
                      Clinton    Trump       Clinton      Trump
Already voted   878,000   653,000   54.9%   40.8%
Yet to vote   1,316,000   1,256,000   46.3%   44.2%
Total estimates   2,194,000   1,909,000   49.4%   43.0%


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: OkThen on October 30, 2016, 12:02:03 PM
This is why you build a ground game:

Quote
Nate Cohn

18 percent of our early voters in NC said they were less than "Almost Certain" to vote. They would have missed the cut in many LV screens.

And he followed up with...

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/792772515680714752


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 30, 2016, 12:10:15 PM
nate cohn got it backwards and deleted his good news for hillary.

to switch it with even better news:
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Clinton led 57-32 among respondents who were not 'almost certain' to vote, but since voted early (Corrected; I said 55-40 initially)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 30, 2016, 12:12:33 PM
nate cohn got it backwards and deleted his good news for hillary.

to switch it with even better news:
Quote
Clinton led 57-32 among respondents who were not 'almost certain' to vote, but since voted early (Corrected; I said 55-40 initially)

Which should look similar in the other big early vote states. It's hilarious how everyone touted the ground game as a huge decider when the race was clearly out of hand and didn't need it, and now that they think the race is close (it actually isn't), they have no confidence in that exact same thing.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: swf541 on October 30, 2016, 12:19:45 PM
nate cohn got it backwards and deleted his good news for hillary.

to switch it with even better news:
Quote
Clinton led 57-32 among respondents who were not 'almost certain' to vote, but since voted early (Corrected; I said 55-40 initially)

Which should look similar in the other big early vote states. It's hilarious how everyone touted the ground game as a huge decider when the race was clearly out of hand and didn't need it, and now that they think the race is close (it actually isn't), they have no confidence in that exact same thing.

Pretty much this also explains the early vote polling showing Clinton over performing party id


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Mehmentum on October 30, 2016, 12:21:52 PM
The fact that Democrats are overperforming Party ID in polls of early voters is even more impressive when you consider that a number of registered Democrats in NC and FL are Dixiecrats.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 30, 2016, 12:29:40 PM
the dixiecrats in FL should be dead by now...don't know why but this state has had a BIG realignment regarding party registration since 2012.


btw.....RIGGING AND BUSSING IN NV!!!!!!

Quote
Apparently there are buses waiting to take Trump supporters from the Venetian to the Boulevard Mall to early vote right after the rally.
https://twitter.com/meganmesserly/status/792776594657939457?lang=de


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 30, 2016, 12:30:18 PM
nate cohn got it backwards and deleted his good news for hillary.

to switch it with even better news:
Quote
Clinton led 57-32 among respondents who were not 'almost certain' to vote, but since voted early (Corrected; I said 55-40 initially)

Which should look similar in the other big early vote states. It's hilarious how everyone touted the ground game as a huge decider when the race was clearly out of hand and didn't need it, and now that they think the race is close (it actually isn't), they have no confidence in that exact same thing.

Pretty much this also explains the early vote polling showing Clinton over performing party id

Clinton GOTV identifying non-voters or unlikely voters that wouldn't make it through polling screens? Many of them would be non-affiliated


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 30, 2016, 12:32:55 PM
the dixiecrats in FL should be dead by now...don't know why but this state has had a BIG realignment regarding party registration since 2012.


btw.....RIGGING AND BUSSING IN NV!!!!!!

Quote
Apparently there are buses waiting to take Trump supporters from the Venetian to the Boulevard Mall to early vote right after the rally.
https://twitter.com/meganmesserly/status/792776594657939457?lang=de

My trusted sources say that they are all "that sort of people" (you know who I mean, America) from out of state getting bussed in by the millions to turn NV for TRUMP. #MakeAmericaWhiteAgain


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 30, 2016, 12:39:44 PM
I found this Florida poll from Ipsos in 2012 that gave Obama a 9 point lead among voters (51%) who cast their ballots early (53-44):

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/ReutersIpsosStates.pdf

So Clinton leading by 15 with 36% of the statewide vote already cast according to NBC is quite significant


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Mehmentum on October 30, 2016, 12:42:58 PM
the dixiecrats in FL should be dead by now...don't know why but this state has had a BIG realignment regarding party registration since 2012.
Oh wow, in that case all of these comparisons to Florida early voting in 2008 aren't very accurate.  If Democrats are beating their early voting totals in 2008 despite Dixiecrats switching over to Republicans... that's a very good sign.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 30, 2016, 12:48:51 PM
Dan Frosch digs into the voter surge in Texas (full article, not just the graph below):


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https://twitter.com/TimJHanrahan/status/792754968461713409


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 30, 2016, 12:51:04 PM
Beautiful! :D


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 30, 2016, 12:58:08 PM
Dan Frosch digs into the voter surge in Texas (full article, not just the graph below):


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https://twitter.com/TimJHanrahan/status/792754968461713409

Texas will be a battleground after all ;) ;)

Sending out the bat-signal for NOVA Green on this. It looks like about 2/3 of the total voter registration spike in TX was Hispanic and most of the increased turnout in all these large TX counties is Hispanic


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Virginiá on October 30, 2016, 12:58:55 PM
the dixiecrats in FL should be dead by now...don't know why but this state has had a BIG realignment regarding party registration since 2012.
Oh wow, in that case all of these comparisons to Florida early voting in 2008 aren't very accurate.  If Democrats are beating their early voting totals in 2008 despite Dixiecrats switching over to Republicans... that's a very good sign.

Upshot did a big story on why Republicans were gaining so much in registrations in states like PA, NC, FL, etc. It's basically just a combination of people getting removed from the rolls due to death/moved/etc and also very much that people still registered as Democrats but have been voting Republican for years are just now switching their registrations for one reason or another. Even in 2012 there were some counties whose Democratic reg numbers suggested they were a deeply Democratic area despite Republicans winning in landslides there.

In addition, they also said that the Democratic share of the registrations will continue to drop sharply over the next 4+ years, but it doesn't mean there are more Republicans now. In fact, Upshot also went on to state that Democrats are still winning the new registration race bigly, just as we did in 2012.

So I dunno about 'Dixiecrats' or what people mean by it in this thread, but there are still plenty of registered Democrats who ceased supporting Democrats long ago.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 30, 2016, 12:59:41 PM
still not enough i figure but i wonder if "activated" voters are sticking around.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: StatesPoll on October 30, 2016, 01:00:33 PM
Florida early voting. 10/30/2016  vs  2012 final results

Summary
2012: 1) Mail: R +3% 2) In Person: D +10%
10/30/2016: 1) Mail: R +3.36% 2) In Person: D +2.6%  
Total:  3.562 Million voted.  REP 40.72% | DEM 40.07% | Ind 19.21%.  

2012 Final results:
DEM +3% (DEM 43% | REP 40%)
10/30/2016: REP + 0.65%

Rep is doing better than 2012, Mail and In person both. especially In Person, Dem's leads is decreased by 7.4% (2012: 10% -> 10/30/2016: 2.6%)

Details

I. Florida Vote-By-Mail   10/30/2016 8:05AM
https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats

Voted Ballots: 1.949 Million votes.

REP:  821.1K (42.13%) | DEM: 755.7K (38.77%) | Other 19.1%

REP: +3.36%. slightly better than 2012. (Vote-By-Mail 2012 final results : REP +3%)


II. Florida Early Voting In person.   10/29/2016 6:44AM
Voted(Total) : 1.613 Million votes.
REP: 629.6K (39.03%) |  DEM: 671.6K (41.63%) | Other 19.44%.   DEM +2.6%
very good numbers for TRUMP.
Because in 2012 final results, it was Dem +10% (DEM 46 : REP 36)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on October 30, 2016, 01:03:23 PM
Dan Frosch digs into the voter surge in Texas (full article, not just the graph below):


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https://twitter.com/TimJHanrahan/status/792754968461713409

Texas will be a battleground after all ;) ;)

Sending out the bat-signal for NOVA Green on this. It looks like about 2/3 of the total voter registration spike in TX was Hispanic and most of the increased turnout in all these large TX counties is Hispanic

Wouldn't it be hysterical if the final map was something like this?  I know it's not realistic (if TX goes D, then AZ and FL almost certainly do too):  282-256 D

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 30, 2016, 01:05:15 PM
maybe this is after all part of the re-alignment.

dems have added more new voters but many dems have switched.....let's see.


btw....

Pence was NC Saturday, but no other Trump/Pence appearances skedded now. Next week, Biden, Obama, HRC, Ne-Yo, WJC, all in NC for Clinton.

https://twitter.com/GrahamDavidA/status/792789141335539712


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 30, 2016, 01:13:04 PM
Some explanation for why Upshot showed T+4 in FL:

"@natecohn
This is a big difference between our FL polls: we found no split.

Quote
Mark Murray @mmurraypolitics
In FL, 36% of likely voters say they have already voted, and they are breaking for Clinton, 54-37

Among those who haven't, Trump up 51-42
"


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: StatesPoll on October 30, 2016, 01:13:58 PM
Dan Frosch digs into the voter surge in Texas (full article, not just the graph below):


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https://twitter.com/TimJHanrahan/status/792754968461713409
New Voters. Hispanic and Non Hispanic voters.
Dallas county 21% -6% = 15%
Harris county 22%-10% = 12%

Considering in rural areas of texas. less Hispanic %
So, I'd guess increase amount Hispanic voters in Texas(statewide) it would be about 10%

And based on YouGov Elecion Model, 10/29, Texas
Statewide: TRUMP 51% | Hillary 42.2%
Hispanic: Hillary 59% | TRUMP 33%.  Hillary +26%
https://today.yougov.com/us-election/?state=Texas

So, perhaps Hillary could add 10% x 26% = +2.6% more

But, seriously Red Avatars think, Hillary can flip Texas by adding 2.6% more than 2012?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Confused Democrat on October 30, 2016, 01:19:00 PM
I'm hearing conflicted things about Florida. Some people are saying that Dems have the edge, and others are saying that Republicans are doing remarkably well.

Which is it?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 30, 2016, 01:19:09 PM
Ralston has updated on NV:

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So here's how daunting it is for Donald Trump right now in Nevada, with six days left in early/mail voting, which is usually 60 percent or so of all votes cast:

If you assume he and Hillary Clinton get 90 percent of their bases (and almost no poll shows Trump doing that well), and she loses indies by 20 points (and most here show her up with indies) she STILL wins the state by 2 points.

http://www.ktnv.com/news/ralston/the-nevada-early-voting-blog

He has noted on twitter that it's been a slow morning so far and Trump is in town, so it could be a mediocre day for Dems. Still, they ended up turning around a slow morning yesterday, so we'll have to see how day's end looks.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 30, 2016, 01:21:10 PM
thank you, harry reid.



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: StatesPoll on October 30, 2016, 01:22:39 PM
I'm hearing conflicted things about Florida. Some people are saying that Dems have the edge, and others are saying that Republicans are doing remarkably well.

Which is it?

Read again my reply above.
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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: swf541 on October 30, 2016, 01:24:16 PM
I'm hearing conflicted things about Florida. Some people are saying that Dems have the edge, and others are saying that Republicans are doing remarkably well.

Which is it?

Read again my reply above.
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Here is some better advice, dont read his post


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 30, 2016, 01:27:10 PM
reps are leading narrowly in the combined mail + EIV numbers.

republicans are doing great compared to 2012 but a comparison to 2008 is more logical cause of new laws.

otherwise there has been a great re-alignment, which means the democratic edge in voter registration has decreased significant....while still more new voters are registrtered with the dem party.

at the same time, BIG amounts of hispanics are voting and both dem and rep counties are breaking records.

summary: we don't know shoot and there won't be a big dem lead in overall early voting like 2012 cause the overall number of dems is down, but since many of those northern FL were voting republican to begin with, it's all a mystery box.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 30, 2016, 01:28:26 PM
I'm hearing conflicted things about Florida. Some people are saying that Dems have the edge, and others are saying that Republicans are doing remarkably well.

Which is it?

Read again my reply above.
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Here is some better advice, dont read his post


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 30, 2016, 01:35:22 PM
some democratic good mood porn from NC:

https://twitter.com/j_fuller/status/792777675718950913?lang=de


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 30, 2016, 01:37:27 PM
some democratic good mood porn from NC:

https://twitter.com/j_fuller/status/792777675718950913?lang=de

GO GO GO!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Confused Democrat on October 30, 2016, 01:40:04 PM
I'm hearing conflicted things about Florida. Some people are saying that Dems have the edge, and others are saying that Republicans are doing remarkably well.

Which is it?

Read again my reply above.
()

Here is some better advice, dont read his post

Lol, this perfectly encapsulates my dilemma.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: swf541 on October 30, 2016, 01:41:32 PM
ApatheticAustrians post a few posts above describes the situation quite well imo


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 30, 2016, 02:07:52 PM
Dan Frosch digs into the voter surge in Texas (full article, not just the graph below):


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https://twitter.com/TimJHanrahan/status/792754968461713409

Texas will be a battleground after all ;) ;)

Sending out the bat-signal for NOVA Green on this. It looks like about 2/3 of the total voter registration spike in TX was Hispanic and most of the increased turnout in all these large TX counties is Hispanic

Wouldn't it be hysterical if the final map was something like this?  I know it's not realistic (if TX goes D, then AZ and FL almost certainly do too):  282-256 D

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I have to say I'm not particularly excited about this.  Unless Trump or a Trump-like candidate actually becomes president and Hispanic turnout spikes in the midterm as well, all Texas is going to do for Democrats any time in the next 12 years is make life miserable for them in the EC.

Regarding Florida, I do think we need to keep in mind that Hispanics of Caribbean descent might not be anywhere near as offended by Trump as those of Mexican descent are.

Trust me, we are.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 30, 2016, 02:10:33 PM
Nobody can find the Trump buses that are supposed to take people to vote after the NV rally:

Quote
Megan Messerly @meganmesserly
No buses at the mall valet, but a bunch of Trump folk waiting to get their cars and heading up to self park. Headed to the main valet now.
Quote
Cannot find Trump buses at the main valet either. :(
Quote
Talked to a few Trump supporters who don't seem to know where the buses are either. Still scouting.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Maxwell on October 30, 2016, 02:13:49 PM
Nobody can find the Trump buses that are supposed to take people to vote after the NV rally:

Quote
Megan Messerly @meganmesserly
No buses at the mall valet, but a bunch of Trump folk waiting to get their cars and heading up to self park. Headed to the main valet now.
Quote
Cannot find Trump buses at the main valet either. :(
Quote
Talked to a few Trump supporters who don't seem to know where the buses are either. Still scouting.

I only hire the best busses, folks!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: swf541 on October 30, 2016, 02:14:12 PM
Nobody can find the Trump buses that are supposed to take people to vote after the NV rally:

Quote
Megan Messerly @meganmesserly
No buses at the mall valet, but a bunch of Trump folk waiting to get their cars and heading up to self park. Headed to the main valet now.
Quote
Cannot find Trump buses at the main valet either. :(
Quote
Talked to a few Trump supporters who don't seem to know where the buses are either. Still scouting.

That amazing ground game at work /s


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on October 30, 2016, 02:20:07 PM
Nobody can find the Trump buses that are supposed to take people to vote after the NV rally:

Quote
Megan Messerly @meganmesserly
No buses at the mall valet, but a bunch of Trump folk waiting to get their cars and heading up to self park. Headed to the main valet now.
Quote
Cannot find Trump buses at the main valet either. :(
Quote
Talked to a few Trump supporters who don't seem to know where the buses are either. Still scouting.

He should have hired Billy Bush to take his supporters to the polls with the Access Hollywood bus.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 30, 2016, 02:20:18 PM
After looking for 20 minutes after the rally ended, Meghan learns that the buses are on the way and showing up at the main valet hall. Between the time and confusion, have to imagine they'll have lost some possible votes on this one (in a state they desperately need help in).


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 30, 2016, 02:57:02 PM
Quote
Seven people in one bus have early voted and are heading back to the Venetian.
https://twitter.com/meganmesserly/status/792816810269683712

#gamechanger


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 30, 2016, 03:01:42 PM

Quote
Probably about 15, 20 people from Trump rally today made it to Boulevard Mall to early vote
https://twitter.com/RileySnyder/status/792815239083487232?lang=de


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 30, 2016, 03:02:44 PM
Ralston very amused:

Jon Ralston ‏ 2minutes ago

Only one word for this demonstration of Trump's NV ground game: HUGE.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 30, 2016, 03:03:20 PM
Ralston very amused:

Jon Ralston ‏ 2minutes ago

Only one word for this demonstration of Trump's NV ground game: HUGE.

I assume that's sarcastic?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 30, 2016, 03:07:17 PM
Ralston very amused:

Jon Ralston ‏ 2minutes ago

Only one word for this demonstration of Trump's NV ground game: HUGE.

I assume that's sarcastic?

Yes, this is extremely sarcastic. Thousands will vote today alone, and despite having a full rally near polling booths, Trump was able to move a whole 15 of them to the voting booth. That's very very unimpressive and a waste of a campaign day. Clinton will have done more than that in NV during that time without a rally.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 30, 2016, 03:28:37 PM
Schale's apparently on/going on Fox. Anyone catch him, by chance?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 30, 2016, 04:35:30 PM
The collapse of the Trump campaign in Nevada has certainly been a sight to see.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on October 30, 2016, 04:44:23 PM
Dan Frosch digs into the voter surge in Texas (full article, not just the graph below):


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https://twitter.com/TimJHanrahan/status/792754968461713409

Texas will be a battleground after all ;) ;)

Sending out the bat-signal for NOVA Green on this. It looks like about 2/3 of the total voter registration spike in TX was Hispanic and most of the increased turnout in all these large TX counties is Hispanic

No question, this is huge, and likely understates the Latino registration surge between 2012 and 2016, considering that this data is based solely upon Spanish vs non-Spanish surnames, and within Metro Houston, and likely DFW as well, there is significant intermarriage and various communities with associated name changes.

Also, not covered in this graph is the spike in voter registration numbers in suburban counties around DFW, Austin, and SA (Hays, Williamson, Montgomery, Comal, Denton, Collins, etc...), where much of the recent population growth has been heavily Latino in recent years.

I am curious what voter registration numbers look like between 2012 and 2016 in SouthTex and WestTex in smaller counties and population centers, since although we have seen some data from El Paso County and a few other areas, there is significant room for growth in terms of both raw voter registration as well as a potential collapse of Trump support among rural Latinos in areas that have frequently tended to vote Republican alongside their Anglo neighbors.... IF Clinton ends up winning Latinos in Texas by a +55% margins combined with high turnout, this state could be a real squeaker on election day.

The interesting thing about WestTex is also that the Latino population has surged in several major population centers (Midland and Ector counties) putting them in the top ten list of counties with the largest increase in Latinos in the state, driven heavily as a result of Oil Sector related jobs.

So for example if you look at those two counties, Obama only won 21% and 26% respectively in 2008, and now in 2016 Latinos represent 38% and 53% of the population.... I could run through a list of some (30) counties in Texas that are majority Latino that voted for Romney/McCain, in many cases by 2:1 margins.... If the Latino surge sweeps through WestTex, I would not be surprised to see Clinton ending up with more votes than Trump in that region of the state...


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Virginiá on October 30, 2016, 04:45:39 PM
Off-topic here but guys please if you're going to quote StatesPoll for some reason, strip his stupid gifs out of the quoted text for gods sake. It's bad enough that he's acting like he's on 4chan, but quoting his images just makes it worse.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on October 30, 2016, 04:50:15 PM
Off-topic here but guys please if you're going to quote StatesPoll for some reason, strip his stupid gifs out of the quoted text for gods sake. It's bad enough that he's acting like he's on 4chan, but quoting his images just makes it worse.

The crazy font size hurts my eyes, and is one of the major reasons that I rarely quote StatesPoll anymore....

I don't mind quoting back for individuals that post charts and graphs, since it isn't as hard on my eyes, and plus I assume people do as I do and skip down to the body of the text/response, and also with fast-moving threads like this one, some individuals don't go back to reread the previous three pages of posts sometimes, so actually like checking out a new chart/graph, etc..... :)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 30, 2016, 04:52:20 PM
Off-topic here but guys please if you're going to quote StatesPoll for some reason, strip his stupid gifs out of the quoted text for gods sake. It's bad enough that he's acting like he's on 4chan, but quoting his images just makes it worse.

The crazy font size hurts my eyes, and is one of the major reasons that I rarely quote StatesPoll anymore....

I don't mind quoting back for individuals that post charts and graphs, since it isn't as hard on my eyes, and plus I assume people do as I do and skip down to the body of the text/response, and also with fast-moving threads like this one, some individuals don't go back to reread the previous three pages of posts sometimes, so actually like checking out a new chart/graph, etc..... :)

Why would anyone quote StatesPoll?? He should just be ignored.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: indietraveler on October 30, 2016, 05:15:28 PM
I wonder what internals are showing for Texas. If Clinton thought she had a chance, why not go for it at this point. At the very least it makes a statement going forward even if she loses the state at the end. Clinton, Kaine, Barack and Michelle each could have made one stop. Are there enough non-voting democrats there to squeak out the win--voters who typically don't participate because Texas is always a red state?

Of course, I say all this with more reservation now thanks to the email situation. I'm sure they're not even thinking about the state at this point.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 30, 2016, 05:18:10 PM
I wonder what internals are showing for Texas. If Clinton thought she had a chance, why not go for it at this point. At the very least it makes a statement going forward even if she loses the state at the end. Clinton, Kaine, Barack and Michelle each could have made one stop. Are there enough non-voting democrats there to squeak out the win--voters who typically don't participate because Texas is always a red state?

Of course, I say all this with more reservation now thanks to the email situation. I'm sure they're not even thinking about the state at this point.

Texas is a very expensive investment and the state is huge. Remember there's basically a week left and last-minute changes happen a lot.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook on October 30, 2016, 05:25:44 PM
Funny we're talking about Texas, because I voted today!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 30, 2016, 05:26:13 PM
Seems like it won't be quite the day hoped for in Clark at least, where voting's been low. Don't have comps or breakdown yet, of course, though.

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@RalstonReports

Low turnout today continues. Only 18,000 had voted in Clark by 3 PM. Was 24,000 Sat. and 22,000 Fri. Big GOP day coming?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on October 30, 2016, 05:28:20 PM
Dan Frosch digs into the voter surge in Texas (full article, not just the graph below):


https://twitter.com/TimJHanrahan/status/792754968461713409
New Voters. Hispanic and Non Hispanic voters.
Dallas county 21% -6% = 15%
Harris county 22%-10% = 12%

Considering in rural areas of texas. less Hispanic %
So, I'd guess increase amount Hispanic voters in Texas(statewide) it would be about 10%

But, seriously Red Avatars think, Hillary can flip Texas by adding 2.6% more than 2012?


You don't know what you are talking about regarding Latino % of the population in "Rural Texas".

(56) counties in Texas out of (254) are majority Latino 22% of the counties in the state, and almost entirely "rural" and "small town" Texas.

We could throw in another (20) counties where Latinos are greater than 40% of the population (all "rural" with the exception of Harris County), again all beyond the statewide proportion of Latinos.

In fact of the (254) counties of Texas the overwhelming majority are at least 20% Latino, excepting maybe 10-15% of the counties in the state that are predominately in EastTex, where the Republican vote is basically maxed out (Think Deep South).

Even in the counties with the lowest proportion of Latinos in the state, you have some of the highest level of increase of Latino population (Jefferson & Orange County) as a result of work in the oil refineries....

Sir, your argument is completely inaccurate and spurious to boot.

Yes, the population of Latinos in Texas is heavily concentrated in large Metro areas, just as is the population of Anglos, African-Americans, and Asian-Americans, in a state that is basically 80% urban/suburban/exurban concentrated in six major metro areas.

I fail to see your logic.... we don't know what Latino registration and turnout levels are looking like in rural Texas, but as I stated on a previous post on this thread, if the Latino voting surge AND rejection of an extremist Republican among many Latino voters that frequently vote Republican in statewide elections is translated to "rural" Texas, the county map will look extremely interesting come November 2016.





Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Xing on October 30, 2016, 05:32:07 PM
Apparently, Democrats are having an off-day today in NV. Any word on Souls to the Polls?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 30, 2016, 05:35:25 PM
Don't be so quickly to worry about NV, though:

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@Taniel  4m4 minutes ago

@RalstonReports There also was a big drop of about 20% on second Sunday in 2012; Nevada voters less likely than elsewhere to vote Sunday?
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@RalstonReports  3m3 minutes ago

@Taniel Yep.
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@RalstonReports  now3 seconds ago

For those asking, just under 25,000 voted on this day in Clark in 2012. Lowest day of two-week period. Looks same this year.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 30, 2016, 05:39:17 PM
Ralston loves to scaremonger about the GOP beating Democratic turnout in Clark County.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 30, 2016, 05:48:57 PM
Most NV early voting centers are closed today-- only Clark and Washoe are open: http://nvsos.gov/sos/home/showdocument?id=4555

So since most of the closed counties are Republican-leaning, it's very unlikely Dems will lose any ground today.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on October 30, 2016, 05:51:06 PM
I wonder what internals are showing for Texas. If Clinton thought she had a chance, why not go for it at this point. At the very least it makes a statement going forward even if she loses the state at the end. Clinton, Kaine, Barack and Michelle each could have made one stop. Are there enough non-voting democrats there to squeak out the win--voters who typically don't participate because Texas is always a red state?

Of course, I say all this with more reservation now thanks to the email situation. I'm sure they're not even thinking about the state at this point.

Texas is a very expensive investment and the state is huge. Remember there's basically a week left and last-minute changes happen a lot.

Investment in Texas is a giant Catch-22....

In order to make the state competitive, there needs to be a massive investment in voter registration drives in a state with one of the lowest turnout rates in the entire country.

In order for the Democratic Party, and outside organizations to have funding for a massive registration effort, the state needs to actually deliver Democratic Party results and look competitive.

The weird thing about this election, is that if the state ends up being within 2-3% for Trump, as I am expecting, there will likely be a major infusion of outside investment towards voter registration and party infrastructure. however it won't necessarily manifest results since most Texas Republicans are savvy enough to not go full-tilt on an anti-Latino agenda.

Now, hypothetically if the Republicans with their division between the Trump vs Establishment types decide to go with another GE candidate that scapegoats Latinos, this state might well potentially flip in 2020.

Another thought to put in the pipe, is if Texas Latinos start voting 75-25 or 80-20 Democratic, will many of these voters abandon the Republican Party altogether, regardless of their candidate, similar to what we saw in Cali after prop 189 passed?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Doimper on October 30, 2016, 05:59:05 PM
Off-topic here but guys please if you're going to quote StatesPoll for some reason, strip his stupid gifs out of the quoted text for gods sake. It's bad enough that he's acting like he's on 4chan, but quoting his images just makes it worse.

The crazy font size hurts my eyes, and is one of the major reasons that I rarely quote StatesPoll anymore....

I don't mind quoting back for individuals that post charts and graphs, since it isn't as hard on my eyes, and plus I assume people do as I do and skip down to the body of the text/response, and also with fast-moving threads like this one, some individuals don't go back to reread the previous three pages of posts sometimes, so actually like checking out a new chart/graph, etc..... :)

Why would anyone quote StatesPoll?? He should just be ignored.

I have never felt more grim about the direction of this nation than I did the day I found out StatesPoll has 80k followers on Twitter


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook on October 30, 2016, 06:03:35 PM
So how is it looking for everyone?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 30, 2016, 06:22:11 PM
https://electionsmith.wordpress.com/2016/10/30/exclusive-in-florida-no-party-affiliation-npa-voters-and-hispanics-who-skipped-2012-or-werent-registered-are-flocking-to-the-polls/

- Republicans are cannibalizing 2012 Election Day voters at a higher rate than Democrats: 18.7% of the 1.51m Republicans who’ve voted thus far in Florida waited in 2012 to cast a ballot on Election Day; 16.8% of the 1.43m Democrats who’ve voted to date voted on Election Day four years ago.

- Over 29% of the 476k Hispanics who’ve cast ballots thru yesterday are either new to the registration books or skipped the 2012 election. This is true for only 1/5 of the 2.5m white voters who’ve voted, and 17% of the 391k black voters who’ve cast ballots thus far in 2016.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 30, 2016, 06:24:38 PM
https://electionsmith.wordpress.com/2016/10/30/exclusive-in-florida-no-party-affiliation-npa-voters-and-hispanics-who-skipped-2012-or-werent-registered-are-flocking-to-the-polls/

- Republicans are cannibalizing 2012 Election Day voters at a higher rate than Democrats: 18.7% of the 1.51m Republicans who’ve voted thus far in Florida waited in 2012 to cast a ballot on Election Day; 16.8% of the 1.43m Democrats who’ve voted to date voted on Election Day four years ago.

- Over 29% of the 476k Hispanics who’ve cast ballots thru yesterday are either new to the registration books or skipped the 2012 election. This is true for only 1/5 of the 2.5m white voters who’ve voted, and 17% of the 391k black voters who’ve cast ballots thus far in 2016.

The 2012 election's story was just broadly about demographics, but the 2016 election could well be squarely based on the power of the Latino vote.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 30, 2016, 06:24:53 PM
https://electionsmith.wordpress.com/2016/10/30/exclusive-in-florida-no-party-affiliation-npa-voters-and-hispanics-who-skipped-2012-or-werent-registered-are-flocking-to-the-polls/

- Republicans are cannibalizing 2012 Election Day voters at a higher rate than Democrats: 18.7% of the 1.51m Republicans who’ve voted thus far in Florida waited in 2012 to cast a ballot on Election Day; 16.8% of the 1.43m Democrats who’ve voted to date voted on Election Day four years ago.

- Over 29% of the 476k Hispanics who’ve cast ballots thru yesterday are either new to the registration books or skipped the 2012 election. This is true for only 1/5 of the 2.5m white voters who’ve voted, and 17% of the 391k black voters who’ve cast ballots thus far in 2016.

Those NPA Hispanic voters were the group that Nate Cohn said his poll would not be able to catch. 29% of 476K is 138K new voters. They're probably breaking about 3-1 for Clinton too. That's part of how she can lead by 13-15 points in the early vote when party ID stats are even


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: PollsDontLie on October 30, 2016, 06:28:53 PM
https://electionsmith.wordpress.com/2016/10/30/exclusive-in-florida-no-party-affiliation-npa-voters-and-hispanics-who-skipped-2012-or-werent-registered-are-flocking-to-the-polls/

- Republicans are cannibalizing 2012 Election Day voters at a higher rate than Democrats: 18.7% of the 1.51m Republicans who’ve voted thus far in Florida waited in 2012 to cast a ballot on Election Day; 16.8% of the 1.43m Democrats who’ve voted to date voted on Election Day four years ago.

- Over 29% of the 476k Hispanics who’ve cast ballots thru yesterday are either new to the registration books or skipped the 2012 election. This is true for only 1/5 of the 2.5m white voters who’ve voted, and 17% of the 391k black voters who’ve cast ballots thus far in 2016.

I get why the cannibalization could be bad for Rs, but your second point does not add up for me.  So what you're saying is that votes for those who are new or skipped the 2012 election break down as follows?

Hispanic: 138k
Black: 66k
White: 500k

In other words, there are 2.5 times as many white voters who are new or who didn't vote in 2012 than there are hispanic or black voters COMBINED.  How is this bad for Rs again?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 30, 2016, 06:30:09 PM
https://electionsmith.wordpress.com/2016/10/30/exclusive-in-florida-no-party-affiliation-npa-voters-and-hispanics-who-skipped-2012-or-werent-registered-are-flocking-to-the-polls/

- Republicans are cannibalizing 2012 Election Day voters at a higher rate than Democrats: 18.7% of the 1.51m Republicans who’ve voted thus far in Florida waited in 2012 to cast a ballot on Election Day; 16.8% of the 1.43m Democrats who’ve voted to date voted on Election Day four years ago.

- Over 29% of the 476k Hispanics who’ve cast ballots thru yesterday are either new to the registration books or skipped the 2012 election. This is true for only 1/5 of the 2.5m white voters who’ve voted, and 17% of the 391k black voters who’ve cast ballots thus far in 2016.

I get why the cannibalization could be bad for Rs, but your second point does not add up for me.  So what you're saying is that votes for those who are new or skipped the 2012 election break down as follows?

Hispanic: 138k
Black: 66k
White: 500k

In other words, there are 2.5 times as many white voters who are new or who didn't vote in 2012 than there are hispanic or black voters.  How is this bad for Rs again?

A good portion of those white voters who didn't vote in 2012 are young


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: PollsDontLie on October 30, 2016, 06:31:31 PM
https://electionsmith.wordpress.com/2016/10/30/exclusive-in-florida-no-party-affiliation-npa-voters-and-hispanics-who-skipped-2012-or-werent-registered-are-flocking-to-the-polls/

- Republicans are cannibalizing 2012 Election Day voters at a higher rate than Democrats: 18.7% of the 1.51m Republicans who’ve voted thus far in Florida waited in 2012 to cast a ballot on Election Day; 16.8% of the 1.43m Democrats who’ve voted to date voted on Election Day four years ago.

- Over 29% of the 476k Hispanics who’ve cast ballots thru yesterday are either new to the registration books or skipped the 2012 election. This is true for only 1/5 of the 2.5m white voters who’ve voted, and 17% of the 391k black voters who’ve cast ballots thus far in 2016.

I get why the cannibalization could be bad for Rs, but your second point does not add up for me.  So what you're saying is that votes for those who are new or skipped the 2012 election break down as follows?

Hispanic: 138k
Black: 66k
White: 500k

In other words, there are 2.5 times as many white voters who are new or who didn't vote in 2012 than there are hispanic or black voters.  How is this bad for Rs again?

A good portion of those white voters who didn't vote in 2012 are young

Yes, if the proportion of white voters that fit into this category skewed overwhelmingly young, that would be bad for Rs, but we don't have the statistics to back that up.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: fldemfunds on October 30, 2016, 07:06:38 PM
https://electionsmith.wordpress.com/2016/10/30/exclusive-in-florida-no-party-affiliation-npa-voters-and-hispanics-who-skipped-2012-or-werent-registered-are-flocking-to-the-polls/

- Republicans are cannibalizing 2012 Election Day voters at a higher rate than Democrats: 18.7% of the 1.51m Republicans who’ve voted thus far in Florida waited in 2012 to cast a ballot on Election Day; 16.8% of the 1.43m Democrats who’ve voted to date voted on Election Day four years ago.

- Over 29% of the 476k Hispanics who’ve cast ballots thru yesterday are either new to the registration books or skipped the 2012 election. This is true for only 1/5 of the 2.5m white voters who’ve voted, and 17% of the 391k black voters who’ve cast ballots thus far in 2016.

Those NPA Hispanic voters were the group that Nate Cohn said his poll would not be able to catch. 29% of 476K is 138K new voters. They're probably breaking about 3-1 for Clinton too. That's part of how she can lead by 13-15 points in the early vote when party ID stats are even

This is what I've been saying to everyone who is nervous. NPAs are usually unaffiliated dems in FL. The fact that party reg is even, means Hillary is probably up 3-5% right now, at least. She's going to win FL by 5%+.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 30, 2016, 07:08:13 PM
https://electionsmith.wordpress.com/2016/10/30/exclusive-in-florida-no-party-affiliation-npa-voters-and-hispanics-who-skipped-2012-or-werent-registered-are-flocking-to-the-polls/

- Republicans are cannibalizing 2012 Election Day voters at a higher rate than Democrats: 18.7% of the 1.51m Republicans who’ve voted thus far in Florida waited in 2012 to cast a ballot on Election Day; 16.8% of the 1.43m Democrats who’ve voted to date voted on Election Day four years ago.

- Over 29% of the 476k Hispanics who’ve cast ballots thru yesterday are either new to the registration books or skipped the 2012 election. This is true for only 1/5 of the 2.5m white voters who’ve voted, and 17% of the 391k black voters who’ve cast ballots thus far in 2016.

I get why the cannibalization could be bad for Rs, but your second point does not add up for me.  So what you're saying is that votes for those who are new or skipped the 2012 election break down as follows?

Hispanic: 138k
Black: 66k
White: 500k

In other words, there are 2.5 times as many white voters who are new or who didn't vote in 2012 than there are hispanic or black voters COMBINED.  How is this bad for Rs again?

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/10/30/upshot/florida-poll.html

Mrs. Clinton actually leads among voters who are unaffiliated with a major party —In this case, it’s by a 10-point margin.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Minnesota Mike on October 30, 2016, 07:08:59 PM
A low turnout tie in Washoe county NV.

https://www.washoecounty.us/voters/electioninformation/ev_turnout_reports.php

Sunday, October 30, 2016
Democratic - 1,888
Republican - 1,873
TOTAL - 4,764

At this point a tie day in Washoe favors Hillary.

All the Rural counties are closed for EV today so that leaves only Clark.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 30, 2016, 07:11:43 PM
A low turnout tie in Washoe county NV.

https://www.washoecounty.us/voters/electioninformation/ev_turnout_reports.php

Sunday, October 30, 2016
Democratic - 1,888
Republican - 1,873
TOTAL - 4,764

At this point a tie day in Washoe favors Hillary.

All the Rural counties are closed for EV today so that leaves only Clark.

That's a good result indeed. Hopefully that means that the margin will be the same in Clark as yesterday, since this is the same as Washoe's yesterday. If it's D +2k in Clark or so, that's 46k in Clark, just a little underneath what Ralston called a blue Nevada.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 30, 2016, 07:14:45 PM
"Hispanic Turnout is the the Big Story in Florida… "

https://electionsmith.wordpress.com/2016/10/30/exclusive-in-florida-no-party-affiliation-npa-voters-and-hispanics-who-skipped-2012-or-werent-registered-are-flocking-to-the-polls/

"The story of the election in Florida thus far is that No Party Affiliates and Hispanics who sat out (or who’ve registered since the 2012 General Election) appear to be much more engaged in the Florida election than other partisan or racial/ethnic groups."

"Over 29% of the 476k Hispanics who’ve cast ballots thru yesterday are either new to the registration books or skipped the 2012 election. This is true for only 1/5 of the 2.5m white voters who’ve voted, and 17% of the 391k black voters who’ve cast ballots thus far in 2016."


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 30, 2016, 07:14:54 PM
A low turnout tie in Washoe county NV.

https://www.washoecounty.us/voters/electioninformation/ev_turnout_reports.php

Sunday, October 30, 2016
Democratic - 1,888
Republican - 1,873
TOTAL - 4,764

At this point a tie day in Washoe favors Hillary.

All the Rural counties are closed for EV today so that leaves only Clark.

That isn't a tie, but a win for Hillary.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Panda Express on October 30, 2016, 07:16:47 PM
Very happy to see that the Reid machine is burying Trump in Nevada. A great parting gift from a great senator.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: swf541 on October 30, 2016, 07:16:58 PM
A low turnout tie in Washoe county NV.

https://www.washoecounty.us/voters/electioninformation/ev_turnout_reports.php

Sunday, October 30, 2016
Democratic - 1,888
Republican - 1,873
TOTAL - 4,764

At this point a tie day in Washoe favors Hillary.

All the Rural counties are closed for EV today so that leaves only Clark.

That isn't a tie, but a win for Hillary.

Yep, isnt that a 15 vote win?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 30, 2016, 07:18:54 PM
don't really get the cannibalization theory right now, since republicans are in fact leading in FL.....AND according to polls more trump voters still want to vote.

would need the UNAFF to be real gamechangers this time.

@NV...trump is toast.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Minnesota Mike on October 30, 2016, 07:19:08 PM
A low turnout tie in Washoe county NV.

https://www.washoecounty.us/voters/electioninformation/ev_turnout_reports.php

Sunday, October 30, 2016
Democratic - 1,888
Republican - 1,873
TOTAL - 4,764

At this point a tie day in Washoe favors Hillary.

All the Rural counties are closed for EV today so that leaves only Clark.

That isn't a tie, but a win for Hillary.

OK if you have to nitpick it's a win for Hillary. I suppose you like polls with decimal points to :)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 30, 2016, 07:20:55 PM
A low turnout tie in Washoe county NV.

https://www.washoecounty.us/voters/electioninformation/ev_turnout_reports.php

Sunday, October 30, 2016
Democratic - 1,888
Republican - 1,873
TOTAL - 4,764

At this point a tie day in Washoe favors Hillary.

All the Rural counties are closed for EV today so that leaves only Clark.

That isn't a tie, but a win for Hillary.

OK if you have to nitpick it's a win for Hillary. I suppose you like polls with decimal points to :)

Well, the point also is that slight wins in Washoe are a good sign state-wide, since Washoe is a little to the right of state #s recently.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: fldemfunds on October 30, 2016, 07:46:10 PM
don't really get the cannibalization theory right now, since republicans are in fact leading in FL.....AND according to polls more trump voters still want to vote.

would need the UNAFF to be real gamechangers this time.

@NV...trump is toast.

Because likely voters are reliable. If someone has voted in 3/3 of the last presidential elections, then with less effort or no effort, they're likely to vote in this one. So if you go into election day and Reps have 50% of their most reliable votes in, but dems have 25% of their most reliable votes, you can guess who is more likely than not to have the better election day.

Now regarding the Republican lead. It's less than 1%. Florida is complicate for party registration purposes, but less so than in 2008. At this same point in 2008, Republicans led in total votes by approximately 6%. They're leading right now by less than 1%. Considering there's been a decent, though not complete, sorting out of dixiecrats changing their registration to R, this bodes extremely well for Democrats. Basically, in 2008 *when Dems barely won Florida* the GOP had a 6% in REGISTRATION TURNOUT advantage, which probably understated their lead because of the higher number of Dixiecrats, but now, with a lot of those same Dixiecrats now registered as Republicans, voter reg numbers are even. This does not include NPAs which tend to be dems in Florida.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 30, 2016, 07:47:13 PM
Trump is telling people not to vote by mail in Colorado:

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/30/politics/donald-trump-write-in-ballots/index.html


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 30, 2016, 07:47:55 PM
Trump is telling people not to vote by mail in Colorado:

Brilliant.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on October 30, 2016, 07:53:38 PM
Trump is telling people not to vote by mail in Colorado:

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/30/politics/donald-trump-write-in-ballots/index.html

From that story:

Quote
It was unclear whether Trump was encouraging his supporters to get a new ballot even if they had already voted, which would constitute voter fraud. Trump campaign officials in Colorado did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Isn't the idea to sow confusion on the other side?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 30, 2016, 07:55:17 PM
Trump is telling people not to vote by mail in Colorado:

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/30/politics/donald-trump-write-in-ballots/index.html

From that story:

Quote
It was unclear whether Trump was encouraging his supporters to get a new ballot even if they had already voted, which would constitute voter fraud. Trump campaign officials in Colorado did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Isn't the idea to sow confusion on the other side?

Considering the only proven case of voter fraud this season was by a Trump-supporting simpleton...


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 30, 2016, 07:55:59 PM
Trump is telling people not to vote by mail in Colorado:

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/30/politics/donald-trump-write-in-ballots/index.html

ROFLMAO


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: OneJ on October 30, 2016, 07:59:44 PM
Trump is telling people not to vote by mail in Colorado:

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/30/politics/donald-trump-write-in-ballots/index.html

From that story:

Quote
It was unclear whether Trump was encouraging his supporters to get a new ballot even if they had already voted, which would constitute voter fraud. Trump campaign officials in Colorado did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Isn't the idea to sow confusion on the other side?

This is great!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 30, 2016, 07:59:52 PM
Ralston reminds why ties in Washoe are actually wins for Clinton:

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@RalstonReports  3m

Dems eke out win in Washoe. Again. Will still have 2,500-vote lead there. Well ahead of 2012.

TODAY:
Dems - 1,888
Rs - 1,873
TOTAL - 4,764

And Bonier is another voice of "NV is basically toast" (his 44k margin doesn't include today's Clark, which isn't out yet):

Quote
‏@tbonier  3m3 minutes ago

Looks tough for Trump in NV (a must win):
- D's have a 44k advantage in early vote thus far
- 26.7% of D EVs didn't vote in '12, 23.7% of Rs


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: henster on October 30, 2016, 08:02:47 PM
Black turnout down across the board pretty much everywhere, is nobody going to talk about this?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 30, 2016, 08:04:01 PM
Black turnout down across the board pretty much everywhere, is nobody going to talk about this?

Not until any poll or projection of early voting shows Clinton doing anything less than killing Trump, no.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 30, 2016, 08:04:05 PM
I mention it with every CNN update which is every day.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 30, 2016, 08:05:00 PM
black turnout isn't soooo extremely down.....from a high point....like everbody else's turnout is also up.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 30, 2016, 08:06:51 PM
black turnout isn't soooo extremely down.....from a high point....like everbody else's turnout is also up.

Stop feeding him, he's just emerged from his hole. He's one of the three-four posters who disappear when everything is great for Clinton then awakens to stalk us when things get even slightly wonky with peals of "I told you so!!!" Only to disappear.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: henster on October 30, 2016, 08:08:07 PM
I'm hearing blacks made up 22% of EV in NC compared to 29% in NC, 100K less in FL, big declines in AV requests in SE VA, declines in MI.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: swf541 on October 30, 2016, 08:08:27 PM
black turnout isn't soooo extremely down.....from a high point....like everbody else's turnout is also up.

Stop feeding him, he's just emerged from his hole. He's one of the three-four posters who disappear when everything is great for Clinton then awakens to stalk us when things get even slightly wonky with peals of "I told you so!!!" Only to disappear.

Pretty much this


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 30, 2016, 08:27:56 PM
Looks like Ralston was fearmongering a bit earlier:

Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports  2m2 minutes ago
25,676 had voted in Clark by 6 PM. Will be relatively low, but raw votes higher than 2012.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: swf541 on October 30, 2016, 08:29:07 PM
Looks like Ralston was fearmongering a bit earlier:

Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports  2m2 minutes ago
25,676 had voted in Clark by 6 PM. Will be relatively low, but raw votes higher than 2012.

Thats not bad at all vs 2012


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 30, 2016, 08:30:20 PM
ralston is criticizing the morning vote on a daily basis now.

seems like the ihabitants of NV prefer voting late in the day.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 30, 2016, 08:32:37 PM
Put a bow on NV; it's wrapped up.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 30, 2016, 08:33:58 PM
Looks like Ralston was fearmongering a bit earlier:

Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports  2m2 minutes ago
25,676 had voted in Clark by 6 PM. Will be relatively low, but raw votes higher than 2012.

Thats not bad at all vs 2012

Thats almost 4k more votes than this day in 2012.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: tinman64 on October 30, 2016, 08:41:01 PM
I'll bet NV voters prefer voting later in the day because it's so dern hot there.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: KingSweden on October 30, 2016, 08:42:01 PM
I'll bet NV voters prefer voting later in the day because it's so dern hot there.

And Vegas is... not a morning town


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 30, 2016, 08:49:46 PM
I'll bet NV voters prefer voting later in the day because it's so dern hot there.

And Vegas is... not a morning town

The only good thing about Vegas.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on October 30, 2016, 09:00:20 PM
Trump is telling people not to vote by mail in Colorado:

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/30/politics/donald-trump-write-in-ballots/index.html

From that story:

Quote
It was unclear whether Trump was encouraging his supporters to get a new ballot even if they had already voted, which would constitute voter fraud. Trump campaign officials in Colorado did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Isn't the idea to sow confusion on the other side?

Agreed...

As I posted earlier on the thread, attacking Vote-by-Mail in Colorado is a complete non-starter when it comes to expanding the Party base.

Colorado, like most other states that have shifted predominately VbM, actually agree with and prefer the convenience and option to not only be able to vote early, but also not have to deal with standing in long lines on election day.

Attacking VbM is plain stupid, and will appear as such to a ton of Republican and Republican-Leaning Indies in the suburbs of Denver, Fort Collins, and Colorado Springs.

There are very few Coloradans that believe that VbM is somehow "rigging the system", including the vast majority of voters of all parties that see it as not only more convenient but also a way to save an hour or two standing out in long lines come election day.

Even Republicans that live out in remote rural areas in the Mountains, Western Foothills of the Rockey's, and roll onto the flat high plains where ranchers and farmers predominate, find this system much more convenient, than the previous voting system.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: libertpaulian on October 30, 2016, 09:26:12 PM
I'm hearing blacks made up 22% of EV in NC compared to 29% in NC, 100K less in FL, big declines in AV requests in SE VA, declines in MI.
If Latino turnout is up in FL, however, it doesn't matter what black turnout is.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Holmes on October 30, 2016, 09:26:32 PM
Also this was a three day weekend in Nevada. Anyone who had plans to vote this weekend very likely had already done it on Friday or Saturday, so this Sunday was just like another day. Still higher turnout than 2012, so it's fine.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 30, 2016, 09:28:53 PM
big souls to the polls outturn in .....OHIO.


http://www.wtol.com/story/33517645/souls-to-the-polls-a-rousing-success-9-days-from-election
http://fox8.com/2016/10/30/souls-to-the-polls-campaign-brings-big-turnout-for-early-voting/


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: OneJ on October 30, 2016, 09:39:22 PM
big souls to the polls outturn in .....OHIO.


http://www.wtol.com/story/33517645/souls-to-the-polls-a-rousing-success-9-days-from-election
http://fox8.com/2016/10/30/souls-to-the-polls-campaign-brings-big-turnout-for-early-voting/

Awesome


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 30, 2016, 10:01:05 PM
What about NC? This is where SttP was supposed to make all the difference, right?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 30, 2016, 10:02:35 PM
What about NC? This is where SttP was supposed to make all the difference, right?

NC hasn't updated at http://www.electproject.org/early_2016. Does anyone have any updates on NC?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 30, 2016, 10:04:16 PM
if the general assumptions about NC (strong in clinton's direction) are right, i project a disappointing NC sttp-result since alle other groups are way up and afro-americans were reaaaaaaally strong in 2012.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 30, 2016, 10:05:50 PM
On an interesting note, Louisiana is already at 102% of their total 2012 returns, with D's leading by about 5%, not that I think that means anything in particular for this state.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 30, 2016, 10:06:30 PM
if the general assumptions about NC (strong in clinton's direction) are right, i project a disappointing NC sttp-result since alle other groups are way up and afro-americans were reaaaaaaally strong in 2012.

But that's the point. Today was the day they were expected to catch up.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 30, 2016, 10:07:38 PM
if the general assumptions about NC (strong in clinton's direction) are right, i project a disappointing NC sttp-result since alle other groups are way up and afro-americans were reaaaaaaally strong in 2012.

But that's the point. Today was the day they were expected to catch up.

Remember that the big swing in NC will be in the triangle area with Educated Whites. Don't expect the African American vote to be the sole carrier of it.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 30, 2016, 10:09:24 PM
if the general assumptions about NC (strong in clinton's direction) are right, i project a disappointing NC sttp-result since alle other groups are way up and afro-americans were reaaaaaaally strong in 2012.

But that's the point. Today was the day they were expected to catch up.

Remember that the big swing in NC will be in the triangle area with Educated Whites. Don't expect the African American vote to be the sole carrier of it.

It's not just about winning for me here, tbh. If African-American stays down, it will have meant that the GOP's disgusting voter suppression efforts actually worked. That would be awful regardless of the outcome.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 30, 2016, 10:11:04 PM
if the general assumptions about NC (strong in clinton's direction) are right, i project a disappointing NC sttp-result since alle other groups are way up and afro-americans were reaaaaaaally strong in 2012.

But that's the point. Today was the day they were expected to catch up.

Remember that the big swing in NC will be in the triangle area with Educated Whites. Don't expect the African American vote to be the sole carrier of it.

Yeah, if college-educated whites were flipping en masse (they are), Latinx were surging (they are), aaannnddd Black #s stayed like in 08/12 (they aren't), this would be a complete landslide. Instead, Black vote is being replaced by the other two and producing ~2012 numbers for Clinton so far.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 30, 2016, 10:11:46 PM
if the general assumptions about NC (strong in clinton's direction) are right, i project a disappointing NC sttp-result since alle other groups are way up and afro-americans were reaaaaaaally strong in 2012.

But that's the point. Today was the day they were expected to catch up.

Remember that the big swing in NC will be in the triangle area with Educated Whites. Don't expect the African American vote to be the sole carrier of it.

It's not just about winning for me here, tbh. If African-American stays down, it will have meant that the GOP's disgusting voter suppression efforts actually worked. That would be awful regardless of the outcome.

These communities have been fighting this BS for hundreds of years. Don't expect them to give up easily even if they're temporarily slowed down :)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: OneJ on October 30, 2016, 10:15:20 PM
Guys, remember that Hurricane Matthew hit parts of North Carolina hard, so don't worry about AA turnout too much. Have faith that it will pick back up.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 30, 2016, 10:16:27 PM
if the general assumptions about NC (strong in clinton's direction) are right, i project a disappointing NC sttp-result since alle other groups are way up and afro-americans were reaaaaaaally strong in 2012.

But that's the point. Today was the day they were expected to catch up.

Actually, that's not true-- of the 21 counties that offered Sunday early voting in 2012, 9 chose to eliminate it this year:

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/election/article100284162.html

Basically Republicans trying to suppress the Black vote.

So souls to the poll will help, but you shouldn't expect the early Black vote to "catch up" to 2012 (since there was a bigger Sun. boost back in 2012)

Though hopefully the early Black vote will catch up by the end of the week...


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 30, 2016, 10:17:56 PM
i am having faith in the afro-american vote, which is in general the backbone of the democratic party.

i just won't assume that every year must be 2012...there are other groups which too have a responsibility...maybe even more so this time...to prevent a madman from becoming president.



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Mehmentum on October 30, 2016, 10:18:58 PM
Guys, remember that Hurricane Matthew hit parts of North Carolina hard, so don't worry about AA turnout too much. Have faith that it will pick back up.
Its also down in FL, GA, VA.   This isn't (solely) hurricane related, or solely voter suppression.  It seems like black turnout is returning to 'normal' without Obama on the ballot.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 30, 2016, 10:27:04 PM
i just won't assume that every year must be 2012...

But every year should be like 2012. Going back from that means taking the first step to a return of Jim Crow.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: OneJ on October 30, 2016, 10:30:01 PM
Guys, remember that Hurricane Matthew hit parts of North Carolina hard, so don't worry about AA turnout too much. Have faith that it will pick back up.
Its also down in FL, GA, VA.   This isn't (solely) hurricane related, or solely voter suppression.  It seems like black turnout is returning to 'normal' without Obama on the ballot.

I understand. I should have put one of the reasons. However, I think we should keep our heads up. We have an entire week.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on October 30, 2016, 10:30:45 PM
What about NC? This is where SttP was supposed to make all the difference, right?

NC hasn't updated at http://www.electproject.org/early_2016. Does anyone have any updates on NC?

Most Sos sites don't update weekend numbers until Monday....

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that many on the forum are freaking without any real data to back it up....


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 30, 2016, 10:31:29 PM
What about NC? This is where SttP was supposed to make all the difference, right?

NC hasn't updated at http://www.electproject.org/early_2016. Does anyone have any updates on NC?

Most Sos sites don't update weekend numbers until Monday....

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that many on the forum are freaking without any real data to back it up....

If so, tomorrow is gonna be CRAZY.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 30, 2016, 10:33:00 PM
But every year should be like 2012. Going back from that means taking the first step to a return of Jim Crow.

i understand your general judgement but to assume that a minority group always votes 90+% for one candidate with the highest turnout of the whole electorate seems a little bit far-fetched for me.

if the republican party wouldn't be ready to kill itself in the long-term this couldbn't have been achieved anyway.

instead of pressuring a single group into delivering each and each cycle again and again....i guess all groups sacrifice a little bit more.

i think african americans are going to do just fine....but if they don't feel as personally insulted from the allegations of "inner city voter fraud" as from the birtherism against obama in 2012....all other groups could have changed this election too.

this time all the blaming and shaming has been about latinos.....and to a smaller grade, highly educated white women.....both of those groups must decide for themselves if they accept the republic to treat them like this. if they don't come out strongly against those attitudes...they only have themselves to blame.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 30, 2016, 10:33:16 PM
What about NC? This is where SttP was supposed to make all the difference, right?

NC hasn't updated at http://www.electproject.org/early_2016. Does anyone have any updates on NC?

Most Sos sites don't update weekend numbers until Monday....

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that many on the forum are freaking without any real data to back it up....

Nobody is freaking out in here so far as I can tell (don't count Jante; he's in permanent freak out mode :P). NV looks very good!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 30, 2016, 10:33:47 PM
What about NC? This is where SttP was supposed to make all the difference, right?

NC hasn't updated at http://www.electproject.org/early_2016. Does anyone have any updates on NC?

Most Sos sites don't update weekend numbers until Monday....

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that many on the forum are freaking without any real data to back it up....

Atlas freaking out without facts?!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 30, 2016, 10:35:09 PM
But every year should be like 2012. Going back from that means taking the first step to a return of Jim Crow.

i understand your general judgement but to assume that a minority group always votes 90+% for one candidate with the highest turnout of the whole electorate seems a little bit far-fetched for me.

if the republican party wouldn't be ready to kill itself in the long-term this couldbn't have been achieved anyway.

instead of pressuring a single group into delivering each and each cycle again and again....i guess all groups sacrifice a little bit more.

i think african americans are going to do just fine....but if they don't feel as personally insulted from the allegations of "inner city voter fraud" as from the birtherism against obama in 2012....all other groups could have changed this election too.

this time all the blaming and shaming has been about latinos.....and to a smaller grade, highly educated white women.....both of those groups must decide for themselves if they accept the republic to treat them like this. if they don't come out strongly against those attitudes...they only have themselves to blame.

In the words of a famous Latina... why not both?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: henster on October 30, 2016, 10:50:33 PM
Have a bad feeling about NC, feels eerily like Hagan v. Tillis there. She led consistely in polls, EV looked 'good' and she fell short because of lackluster turnout notably with blacks.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 30, 2016, 10:53:17 PM
Have a bad feeling about NC, feels eerily like Hagan v. Tillis there. She led consistely in polls, EV looked 'good' and she fell short because of lackluster turnout notably with blacks.

it was reasonable close if i remember correctly and that was a midterm year after all.

our general assumption of NC right isn't grounded on polls in general but on after-voting polls of early voters.

could still be wrong but comparisons to 2012 seem more logical than 2014.



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 30, 2016, 10:53:54 PM
"Early Voting Stability Despite News Volatility"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-p-mcdonald/early-voting-stability-de_b_12723188.html

"Did the Comey letter depress Democratic enthusiasm?"

"A way to gauge the effect of the announcement is to see if Democrats voted in-person at lower levels than 2012 on the next day, Saturday. There are two states - Nevada and North Carolina - reporting early voting by party registration that provide some clues as to a potential effect... the preliminary evidence is little or no effect of Comey’s letter depressing Democratic enthusiasm."


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 30, 2016, 10:58:16 PM
Have a bad feeling about NC, feels eerily like Hagan v. Tillis there. She led consistely in polls, EV looked 'good' and she fell short because of lackluster turnout notably with blacks.

it was reasonable close if i remember correctly and that was a midterm year after all.

our general assumption of NC right isn't grounded on polls in general but on after-voting polls of early voters.

could still be wrong but comparisons to 2012 seem more logical than 2014.



Ugh - Democratic base voters didn't turn out in 2014 full stop.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 30, 2016, 11:01:23 PM
The 2016 electorate is going to look nothing like the 2014 electorate.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: henster on October 30, 2016, 11:03:17 PM
Interesting note from McDonald on NC.

Quote
If we look across the state, for the first week of in-person early voting, Democrats amassed a deficit of 60,360 votes relative to 2012. Republicans were at a deficit of 1,878. Since the restoration of polling locations, Democrats are running ahead by 32,350. However, Republicans are running ahead 61,697. Even while Democrats are making up lost ground, Republicans are running ahead of them!

Quote
The real story is not whether or not Democrats’ level of engagement changed, but rather the higher levels of Republican engagement. Recent polls indicate Clinton is opening up a lead, but the early vote is giving a potential contradictory signal. Some of these polls were fielded before the expansion of early voting polling locations, which Republicans appear to have capitalized on more than the Democrats. I might expect, with early voting being a leading indicator, to see tightening in future polls.

No evidence of depressed R enthusiasm.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 30, 2016, 11:09:46 PM
Wasserman and McDonald talk on NC's supposed "depressed D turnout":

Quote
Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict  23s24 seconds ago

In NC, couldn't the changing party reg breakdown since '12 account for some of Dems' underperformance?

Quote
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  12s12 seconds ago

@Redistrict I'm wondering if Same Day reg causing some changes, too. If I can ever find time, I'm going to match back to prior voter files


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 30, 2016, 11:14:56 PM
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  15s16 seconds ago
"Of the 20,269 people who voted today in Georgia, 48% are Black (11% are unknown, due to a slightly stale voter file) #soulstopolls"

Hallelujah!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 30, 2016, 11:15:45 PM
Like in FL, a calming reminder about the role of Unaffiliateds in deciding NC:

Quote
Trump supports (again) like to claim unaffiliated voters as their own, but this poll has Clinton leading early voters who do not affiliate with a political party by +9 points. I can’t verify this exact estimate, but I can provide demographic characteristics of all early voters who do not affiliate with a party. 19.5% are African-American, 40.9% are White females, and 39.6% are White males. 13.9% are under age 30 (a percentage that if past patterns hold, will increase in the coming week). Yes, there are undoubtedly Trump supporters among the unaffiliated, but a nine percentage point advantage is plausible (although it may be too high given other polls).

That ain't what Trump supporters look like. Instead, these unaffiliateds look like FL's.

And don't think they won't play their role % wise:

Quote
Currently, 396,482 (unaffiliated voters) have voted, which is 110,581 more than in 2012 at this same time


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 30, 2016, 11:16:33 PM
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  15s16 seconds ago
Of the 20,269 people who voted today in Georgia, 48% are Black (11% are unknown, due to a slightly stale voter file) #soulstopolls

Hallelujah!

Wow.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: OneJ on October 30, 2016, 11:19:40 PM
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  15s16 seconds ago
"Of the 20,269 people who voted today in Georgia, 48% are Black (11% are unknown, due to a slightly stale voter file) #soulstopolls"

Hallelujah!

Thank you JESUS!!!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 30, 2016, 11:20:34 PM
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  15s16 seconds ago
"Of the 20,269 people who voted today in Georgia, 48% are Black (11% are unknown, due to a slightly stale voter file) #soulstopolls"

Hallelujah!

Thank you JESUS!!!

WHOA!!! There you go Jante! :)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 30, 2016, 11:21:13 PM
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  15s16 seconds ago
"Of the 20,269 people who voted today in Georgia, 48% are Black (11% are unknown, due to a slightly stale voter file) #soulstopolls"

Hallelujah!

That's a very encouraging number indeed. If Clark comes in positive as well, then it looks like the weekend has largely been a success.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 30, 2016, 11:21:43 PM
NC-re-alignment:

according to a right-wing-think tank - last summer:

Quote
Democrats have a net loss of 72,919 voters, Republicans have added 44,198 voters. + 361000 new UNAFF.
https://www.nccivitas.org/2016/ncs-voter-registration-upheaval-2012-2016/


compared to the 2012 election there are now 145000 registered democrats less...and 20000 registered republicans more.


https://enr.ncsbe.gov/voter_stats/results.aspx?date=11-03-2012
https://enr.ncsbe.gov/voter_stats/results.aspx?date=10-29-2016

unaff are the biggest difference by far.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 30, 2016, 11:24:26 PM
NC-re-alignment:

according to a right-wing-think tank - last summer:

Quote
Democrats have a net loss of 72,919 voters, Republicans have added 44,198 voters. + 361000 new UNAFF.
https://www.nccivitas.org/2016/ncs-voter-registration-upheaval-2012-2016/


compared to the 2012 election there are now 145000 registered democrats less...and 20000 registered republicans more.


https://enr.ncsbe.gov/voter_stats/results.aspx?date=11-03-2012
https://enr.ncsbe.gov/voter_stats/results.aspx?date=10-29-2016

unaff are the biggest difference by far.


Democrats still have a very comfy cushion to work with, and unaffiliated appear to be breaking largely for HRC based on EV polling. Souls to the Polls was also a great success today in NC and beyond.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 30, 2016, 11:27:20 PM
Tom Bonier

"15% of the OH vote thus far has come from people who did not vote in '12. That universe is +4% Dem. GOP is turning out likely voters."

"22% of ballots cast in FL thus far have come from voters who didn't cast a ballot in '12. Dems have a 3% advantage among these voters."

"IA: D vote share now 0.5% ahead of '12. R vote share is 2.3% ahead of '12. Tiny D advantage as far as share who didn't vote in '12 (+0.8%)."

"Looks tough for Trump in NV (a must win):
- D's have a 44k advantage in early vote thus far
- 26.7% of D EVs didn't vote in '12, 23.7% of Rs"


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 30, 2016, 11:28:39 PM


we still don't have numbers about sunday NC SttP turnout, have we?



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: swf541 on October 30, 2016, 11:28:54 PM
Tom Bonier

"15% of the OH vote thus far has come from people who did not vote in '12. That universe is +4% Dem. GOP is turning out likely voters."

"22% of ballots cast in FL thus far have come from voters who didn't cast a ballot in '12. Dems have a 3% advantage among these voters."

"IA: D vote share now 0.5% ahead of '12. R vote share is 2.3% ahead of '12. Tiny D advantage as far as share who didn't vote in '12 (+0.8%)."

"Looks tough for Trump in NV (a must win):
- D's have a 44k advantage in early vote thus far
- 26.7% of D EVs didn't vote in '12, 23.7% of Rs"

Does that include Clark results from today?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 30, 2016, 11:29:33 PM
Tom Bonier

"15% of the OH vote thus far has come from people who did not vote in '12. That universe is +4% Dem. GOP is turning out likely voters."

"22% of ballots cast in FL thus far have come from voters who didn't cast a ballot in '12. Dems have a 3% advantage among these voters."

"IA: D vote share now 0.5% ahead of '12. R vote share is 2.3% ahead of '12. Tiny D advantage as far as share who didn't vote in '12 (+0.8%)."

"Looks tough for Trump in NV (a must win):
- D's have a 44k advantage in early vote thus far
- 26.7% of D EVs didn't vote in '12, 23.7% of Rs"

Does that include Clark results from today?

No


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 30, 2016, 11:29:40 PM
Tom Bonier

"15% of the OH vote thus far has come from people who did not vote in '12. That universe is +4% Dem. GOP is turning out likely voters."

"22% of ballots cast in FL thus far have come from voters who didn't cast a ballot in '12. Dems have a 3% advantage among these voters."

"IA: D vote share now 0.5% ahead of '12. R vote share is 2.3% ahead of '12. Tiny D advantage as far as share who didn't vote in '12 (+0.8%)."

"Looks tough for Trump in NV (a must win):
- D's have a 44k advantage in early vote thus far
- 26.7% of D EVs didn't vote in '12, 23.7% of Rs"

Does that include Clark results from today?

Nope. Should be announced at 1 am EST.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 30, 2016, 11:29:41 PM
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Florida early vote, broken out by race/ethnicity. One of these images is reflective of the state's (and America's) diversity.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 30, 2016, 11:30:38 PM
@Atlantic...what is this?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 30, 2016, 11:30:57 PM
Tom Bonier

"15% of the OH vote thus far has come from people who did not vote in '12. That universe is +4% Dem. GOP is turning out likely voters."

"22% of ballots cast in FL thus far have come from voters who didn't cast a ballot in '12. Dems have a 3% advantage among these voters."

"IA: D vote share now 0.5% ahead of '12. R vote share is 2.3% ahead of '12. Tiny D advantage as far as share who didn't vote in '12 (+0.8%)."

"Looks tough for Trump in NV (a must win):
- D's have a 44k advantage in early vote thus far
- 26.7% of D EVs didn't vote in '12, 23.7% of Rs"

Does that include Clark results from today?

He posted it 4 hours ago, so not sure. If I had to guess, it's probably no.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 30, 2016, 11:33:59 PM

Sorry, forgot to give description. Above is the race/ethnicity breakdown of Florida early voters.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 30, 2016, 11:34:41 PM
clark county is only updated late in the night. (or the next morning, since nearly no one is around then)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: swf541 on October 30, 2016, 11:38:12 PM
Tom Bonier

"15% of the OH vote thus far has come from people who did not vote in '12. That universe is +4% Dem. GOP is turning out likely voters."

"22% of ballots cast in FL thus far have come from voters who didn't cast a ballot in '12. Dems have a 3% advantage among these voters."

"IA: D vote share now 0.5% ahead of '12. R vote share is 2.3% ahead of '12. Tiny D advantage as far as share who didn't vote in '12 (+0.8%)."

"Looks tough for Trump in NV (a must win):
- D's have a 44k advantage in early vote thus far
- 26.7% of D EVs didn't vote in '12, 23.7% of Rs"

Does that include Clark results from today?

Nope. Should be announced at 1 am EST.

Thanks


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 30, 2016, 11:41:36 PM

Sorry, forgot to give description. Above is the race/ethnicity breakdown of Florida early voters.

TY

since blacks and latinos seem to come out for republicans in faaar higher number than assumed, either the polls have been off,...or the unaff are really breaking hard.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: swf541 on October 30, 2016, 11:46:08 PM

Sorry, forgot to give description. Above is the race/ethnicity breakdown of Florida early voters.

TY

since blacks and latinos seem to come out for republicans in faaar higher number than assumed, either the polls have been off,...or the unaff are really breaking hard.

High AA gop number? What the whole 10k of them if I'm reading it right is minuscule in that chart....

I imagine a lot of the Hispanic GOP is Cubans, I'm curious what if any crossover there will be


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 30, 2016, 11:46:59 PM

Sorry, forgot to give description. Above is the race/ethnicity breakdown of Florida early voters.

TY

since blacks and latinos seem to come out for republicans in faaar higher number than assumed, either the polls have been off,...or the unaff are really breaking hard.

Either that or higher % of GOP Latinos are breaking for Hillary, not an unrealistic theory.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 30, 2016, 11:47:11 PM


we still don't have numbers about sunday NC SttP turnout, have we?



I don't think we have the final NC numbers, no (someone correct me if I'm wrong).


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 30, 2016, 11:48:08 PM

Sorry, forgot to give description. Above is the race/ethnicity breakdown of Florida early voters.

TY

since blacks and latinos seem to come out for republicans in faaar higher number than assumed, either the polls have been off,...or the unaff are really breaking hard.

High AA gop number? What the whole 10k of them if I'm reading it right is minuscule in that chart....

I imagine a lot of the Hispanic GOP is Cubans, I'm curious what if any crossover there will be

Against Trump? Quite a bit I would bet, especially if the highly accurate Latino poll is anywhere close to the estimated numbers. Down ballot candidates in FL will likely receive the typical share of Cuban-American votes.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: swf541 on October 30, 2016, 11:49:37 PM

Sorry, forgot to give description. Above is the race/ethnicity breakdown of Florida early voters.

TY

since blacks and latinos seem to come out for republicans in faaar higher number than assumed, either the polls have been off,...or the unaff are really breaking hard.

High AA gop number? What the whole 10k of them if I'm reading it right is minuscule in that chart....

I imagine a lot of the Hispanic GOP is Cubans, I'm curious what if any crossover there will be

Against Trump? Quite a bit I would bet, especially if the highly accurate Latino poll is anywhere close to the estimated numbers. Down ballot candidates in FL will likely receive the typical share of Cuban-American votes.

I agree, I'm just very interested in seeing the margins


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 30, 2016, 11:49:54 PM

Sorry, forgot to give description. Above is the race/ethnicity breakdown of Florida early voters.

TY

since blacks and latinos seem to come out for republicans in faaar higher number than assumed, either the polls have been off,...or the unaff are really breaking hard.

I wouldn't be taking that out of it. The GOP Latino number is pretty good for them, but given a lot of the unaff are young and latino... there's a ways to go. The AA number is not an issue, it's 3%. Noting, we don't know how they're actually voting... key point. I wouldn't be confident about Latino GOPhers being lined up with DJT.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 30, 2016, 11:51:26 PM
High AA gop number? What the whole 10k of them if I'm reading it right is minuscule in that chart....

I imagine a lot of the Hispanic GOP is Cubans, I'm curious what if any crossover there will be

ah, i switched AAs and "other"...my bad. :)

otherwise you are correct and i am blind. ;P


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: swf541 on October 30, 2016, 11:52:27 PM
High AA gop number? What the whole 10k of them if I'm reading it right is minuscule in that chart....

I imagine a lot of the Hispanic GOP is Cubans, I'm curious what if any crossover there will be

ah, i switched AAs and "other"...my bad. :)

otherwise you are correct and i am blind. ;P
No problem, was just wondering if i was missing something lol


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 30, 2016, 11:57:27 PM
NC-re-alignment:

according to a right-wing-think tank - last summer:

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Democrats have a net loss of 72,919 voters, Republicans have added 44,198 voters. + 361000 new UNAFF.
https://www.nccivitas.org/2016/ncs-voter-registration-upheaval-2012-2016/

compared to the 2012 election there are now 145000 registered democrats less...and 20000 registered republicans more.


https://enr.ncsbe.gov/voter_stats/results.aspx?date=11-03-2012
https://enr.ncsbe.gov/voter_stats/results.aspx?date=10-29-2016

unaff are the biggest difference by far.
lol

Civitas are not very smart.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 31, 2016, 12:00:10 AM


we still don't have numbers about sunday NC SttP turnout, have we?



I don't think we have the final NC numbers, no (someone correct me if I'm wrong).

Michael Bitzer will have it by tomorrow morning.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 31, 2016, 12:01:32 AM
I feel the need to point out to those of you that appear to have 0 institutional knowledge: fewer REGISTERED Democrats =! fewer Democratic voters in North Carolina.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 31, 2016, 12:03:24 AM
I feel the need to point out to those of you that appear to have 0 institutional knowledge: fewer REGISTERED Democrats =! fewer Democratic voters in North Carolina.

Indeed. Add the hard breaking UAFs, and you can see why Upshot is so bullish for HRC.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: OneJ on October 31, 2016, 12:03:39 AM
Good News:

Jennifer Epstein on Twitter: Volunteers for Clinton and Dems did 70,000 shifts this weekend, more than Dems did during the same weekend in '08 and '12, per @RobbyMook

https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/792918256533270528?s=09


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: IceSpear on October 31, 2016, 12:03:59 AM
I feel the need to point out to those of you that appear to have 0 institutional knowledge: fewer REGISTERED Democrats =! fewer Democratic voters in North Carolina.

Yes, thankfully the Dixiecrats are quickly transferring to their real home, the party they've been consistently supporting for decades.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 31, 2016, 12:04:44 AM
Good News:

Jennifer Epstein on Twitter: Volunteers for Clinton and Dems did 70,000 shifts this weekend, more than Dems did during the same weekend in '08 and '12, per @RobbyMook

https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/792918256533270528?s=09

While Trump vanned 15 voters to the polls in NV, lol. #groundgame matters.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 31, 2016, 12:04:53 AM
I feel the need to point out to those of you that appear to have 0 institutional knowledge: fewer REGISTERED Democrats =! fewer Democratic voters in North Carolina.

in fact, fewer democrats is a GOOD thing, if this comes from people who died or have switched the party, instead of a lack of new registrations.

those dixiecrats have been on the book for decades and made projections more difficult.

maybe this time we are going to figure out how the last elections have worked in reality, besides the curtain of voter registration.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 31, 2016, 12:17:00 AM
According to Tom Bonier, people's self-report about having voted early isn't reliable so you can't take it at face value but...

Early voting:
FL - 36% have voted; HRC leads 54%/37%
NC - 29% have voted; HRC leads 61%/33%

This is based on self-report, I believe.

But even if we were to allow for rooms that more Democrats lied about having voted early, it's safe to say that Hillary is doing fine so far in FL. She's leading, though probably not by 17% like above.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 31, 2016, 01:39:48 AM
This election seems to be shaping up quite different to other recent presidential elections in some states, according to early voting reports:

In Iowa for example, absentee ballot requests are down significantly compared with 2012. On Oct. 28 it was 550K requested, but at the same time in 2012 it was already 600K. A sign of overall lower turnout.

On the other hand in TX, early voting so far is 150% of 2012 - which could be a sign of overall higher turnout (TX already had one of the shi**iest turnout rates anyway, so this would be good).

There could be some real surprises on election day and the map could look not familiar to a traditional US presidential election map ...


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: eric82oslo on October 31, 2016, 04:46:19 AM
This election seems to be shaping up quite different to other recent presidential elections in some states, according to early voting reports:

In Iowa for example, absentee ballot requests are down significantly compared with 2012. On Oct. 28 it was 550K requested, but at the same time in 2012 it was already 600K. A sign of overall lower turnout.

On the other hand in TX, early voting so far is 150% of 2012 - which could be a sign of overall higher turnout (TX already had one of the shi**iest turnout rates anyway, so this would be good).

There could be some real surprises on election day and the map could look not familiar to a traditional US presidential election map ...

Iowa is one of the states, if not the state that is trending the most Republican in this election. You can say the opposite about Texas. It's probably one of the 5-6 states that has been trending the most Democratic in this election so far. So the fact that you are using these two states as examples, should be extremely bad new for Trump supporters and equally extremely encouraging news for Democrats.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: OneJ on October 31, 2016, 05:35:49 AM
Cuyahoga sees big turnout yesterday as a result of Souls to the Polls.

Link: http://fox8.com/2016/10/30/souls-to-the-polls-campaign-brings-big-turnout-for-early-voting/


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Brittain33 on October 31, 2016, 06:45:59 AM
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  15s16 seconds ago
"Of the 20,269 people who voted today in Georgia, 48% are Black (11% are unknown, due to a slightly stale voter file) #soulstopolls"

Hallelujah!

Thank you JESUS!!!

10,000 votes doesn't sound like a lot against the state total...


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 31, 2016, 06:49:49 AM
More and more new voters that would tend to vote Democratic are registering as Unaffiliated it seems, throwing a big wrench into pure comparisons to 2012. This is probably why Clinton is leading in polls of early voters by more than we would expect based on strictly just the D v.s. R EV numbers.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 31, 2016, 07:14:22 AM
Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports  3m3 minutes ago
Dems added 2,800 to Clark lead on low turnout day Sunday (26,500), just under what they added on same day in '12. Firewall now nearly 47K.

Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports  21s21 seconds ago
So that was some Trump Bump the GOP got in early voting from his Vegas visit Sunday -- i.e. essentially none.


Tom Bonier ‏@tbonier  2m2 minutes ago
OH: Big Dem surge Sat/Sun. Franklin vote only 0.9% behind '12 (was 6.7% Oct 20) and Cuyahoga is 1.9% down on '12 (was '4.9%) #comeyeffect


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Terry the Fat Shark on October 31, 2016, 07:27:20 AM
Yep, nothing to do with weekend turnout, just James Comey sending dems out, seems legit


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: JerryArkansas on October 31, 2016, 07:30:17 AM
Yep, nothing to do with weekend turnout, just James Comey sending dems out, seems legit
Or it has been weak all cycle and now is ramping up at the same time as Comey.  Both are reasonable possibilities.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 31, 2016, 07:30:56 AM
Yep, nothing to do with weekend turnout, just James Comey sending dems out, seems legit

Oh I thought he was just joking in light of people saying how Comey would depress turnout, when that seems to not be the case.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on October 31, 2016, 07:48:29 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/10/31/us/elections/earlyvoters.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

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Professor McDonald, whose research focuses on early voting, said that in states with early voting both by mail and in person, “the mail ballots tend to break towards Republicans and in-person early breaks between Democrats.”

People who vote the earliest are typically older, have a long record of voting and are highly involved in the political process. As Election Day nears, Professor McDonald said, more younger people and those who had been undecided begin to vote.

Professor Burden said the number of early voters who are Democrats was higher because of a difference in campaign strategy.

“Since 2008, Democrats have taken to early voting in a way that Republicans have not,” he said. “This is largely because the Obama campaign emphasized the strategy of using early voting. The Clinton campaign has continued much of that effort. The Trump campaign is doing little by comparison.”


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 31, 2016, 07:52:41 AM
Wow, everything IS bigger in Texas.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 31, 2016, 07:56:28 AM
So, overall, a bunch of good news over the weekend, even in OH? Excellent.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 31, 2016, 07:58:23 AM
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  5m5 minutes ago
NC Dems continue to make up lost ground for the week of poll closures (now -3.4% from 2012), Reps continue to over-perform (+7.9%)
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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 31, 2016, 08:05:26 AM
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  15s16 seconds ago
"Of the 20,269 people who voted today in Georgia, 48% are Black (11% are unknown, due to a slightly stale voter file) #soulstopolls"

Hallelujah!
20K doesn't move the needle much, when 1.3M have voted in Georgia.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fz_V3oAUL8XJMEudq5wm5hDT_f554uagt6sIm_sJDro/edit#gid=1996929977
Black vote still 28.5% vs 33% in 2012.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 31, 2016, 08:09:49 AM
Also based on NYT's NC early vote tracker/model, they think 3rd parties are going to beat Trump among black voters 4% to 3%.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: fldemfunds on October 31, 2016, 08:31:35 AM
According to Tom Bonier, people's self-report about having voted early isn't reliable so you can't take it at face value but...

Early voting:
FL - 36% have voted; HRC leads 54%/37%
NC - 29% have voted; HRC leads 61%/33%

This is based on self-report, I believe.

But even if we were to allow for rooms that more Democrats lied about having voted early, it's safe to say that Hillary is doing fine so far in FL. She's leading, though probably not by 17% like above.

Where did you get these numbers?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 31, 2016, 08:32:43 AM
Huge move in Ohio for the Dems

OH: Big Dem surge Sat/Sun. Franklin vote only 0.9% behind '12 (was 6.7% Oct 20) and Cuyahoga is 1.9% down on '12 (was '4.9%)
https://twitter.com/tbonier/status/793065727397879809

Frankin County moving almost to parity is significant because that's Ohio State so the college kids were voting this weekend. Bonier expects early voting turnout in both counties to exceed 2012. Possible Comey effect firing up Dems?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: SunSt0rm on October 31, 2016, 08:33:41 AM
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  5m5 minutes ago
NC Dems continue to make up lost ground for the week of poll closures (now -3.4% from 2012), Reps continue to over-perform (+7.9%)
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This doesnt look well for the Democrats


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 31, 2016, 08:43:07 AM
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  23m23 minutes ago
North Carolina demographic characteristics of unaffiliated (no party reg) #earlyvote (as of 10/30)

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 31, 2016, 08:44:47 AM
According to Tom Bonier, people's self-report about having voted early isn't reliable so you can't take it at face value but...

Early voting:
FL - 36% have voted; HRC leads 54%/37%
NC - 29% have voted; HRC leads 61%/33%

This is based on self-report, I believe.

But even if we were to allow for rooms that more Democrats lied about having voted early, it's safe to say that Hillary is doing fine so far in FL. She's leading, though probably not by 17% like above.

Where did you get these numbers?

It's based on self-report from polls

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/polls-clinton-leads-trump-north-carolina-dead-heat-florida-n675246

"Among the 36 percent of likely voters in Florida who say they've already voted, Clinton is ahead, 54 percent to 37 percent."

"And Clinton leads by a 61 percent-to-33 percent margin among the 29 percent of North Carolinians who say they've already voted."


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: SunSt0rm on October 31, 2016, 08:47:13 AM
Quote from: SunSt0rm link=topic=245323.msg5354935#msg5354935
This doesnt look well for the Democrats
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The explanation is that Dem registered numbers are down while Republican registered numbers are up as older Dems reregistered as Reps to vote in the primaries and new voters (young people, Hispanics) registered an Unaffiliated. I'm not sure how accurate it is. Obviously we're not seeing the R meltdown we hoped for two weeks ago...

I get that, but in NC there arent many Hispanics, the turnout of African Americans has dropped a lot too.

But I am suprised of the turnout of Republicans in NC and Florida, maybe ground game doesnt matter at all in the end.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 31, 2016, 08:50:07 AM
Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports  18m18 minutes ago
NV early voting blog updated:
Statewide Dem lead: 34K
Clark Dem lead: 47K
Washoe Dem lead: 2.5K
Rural GOP lead: 15K


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on October 31, 2016, 08:52:19 AM
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  23m23 minutes ago
North Carolina demographic characteristics of unaffiliated (no party reg) #earlyvote (as of 10/30)

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But how does it compare to overall voters? Unaffiliated voter are younger, less white and more female I guess?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: SunSt0rm on October 31, 2016, 08:53:31 AM
Democrats have closed the gap to less than 10k in Florida

https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 31, 2016, 09:04:34 AM
http://steveschale.squarespace.com/blog/2016/10/31/almost-4-million-votes-in-and-8-days-to-go.html

Total Ballots cast:   3,731,646
Total Vote By Mail:  1,963,274 (52.7%)
Total Early Vote:  1,768,372 (47.3%)

And by party:

Republicans:  1,509.467 (40.45%)
Democrats:  1,500,937 (40.22%)
NPA:  721,249 (19.33%)

Total Margin:  GOP +0.23% (Margin look familiar)

Really quick, the outstanding mail in ballots are roughly 40D-35R-25NPA, with Democrats having 71,388 more sitting on coffee tables than do Republicans.

Hillsborough:

Democrats come out of the weekend with a roughly 16K partisan advantage, or about 6.5%.  For the Dems, this was boosted by a weekend where they won in-person early vote by 12 points.

I-4

Democrats won the weekend on the I-4 counties by about 9,000 votes (42-34-24) out of 110,000 cast, thanks to a +12.5% in-person early voting advantage.   The big thing this weekend:  a sizable jump in NPA participation: 24% of all votes this weekend coming from NPA.

Duval

Democrats narrowly won the weekend, carrying a 260 vote plurality out of this weekend’s vote-by-mail and in-person early voting.

Here is where the counties stand:

Palm Beach: Weekend: 47-27-24 DEM -- Overall: 49-29-22 DEM (+41,620)
Broward:  Weekend: 57-21-22 DEM -- Overall: 57-23-20 DEM (+112,775)
Miami-Dade: Weekend: 43-29-28 DEM -- Overall: 45-31-24 DEM (+53,518)

"Democratic voter registration advantage is about 200K less than it was in 2012, and about 350K less than it was in 2008.  This in part explains why Republicans are still “ahead” at this point.  But it is important to note that a lot of that decrease comes from voters who switched parties – most of whom hadn’t voted for a Democrat since Carter or Kennedy, and the overall electorate is much more friendly to Democrats.  This electorate could be as much as 7 points more diverse than 2008, which is the reason I think she has a small built-in edge."

But it only works if people vote. Right now, the GOP is ahead of where I thought they would be – albeit not by a lot.  It doesn’t mean Trump or Clinton is winning – nope, it means it is a dog fight for turnout. "


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 31, 2016, 09:06:37 AM
it's a smoke and mirror election in the south...we don't know anything.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Virginiá on October 31, 2016, 09:13:21 AM
This doesnt look well for the Democrats

Looking at a lot of the data for NC, much of it does indeed look not so good for Democrats. Black turnout is down, youth turnout is down, Democratic turnout down from 2012 (slightly) while Republican turnout up (slightly).

However I'd like to add a couple things:

1. NC is among the states with a high level of movement from Democratic voter registrations -> Republican registrations. This is not because Republicans are picking up many new voters (Democrats still gaining big in that dept), but because long-time R voters who were still reg. as Democrats are now switching, or ones who died/moved were being purged. Naturally this would lead to less Democrats and more Republicans in the early numbers.

2. The polls pretty much everywhere have shown a lot of coalition mixing. White college graduates & white women who are most likely still registered Republicans but supporting Hillary this year and white working class men who are likely still registered Democrats supporting Trump will make guessing the current status of the NC race pretty difficult.

3. Young & black voter turnout drops will also hurt Democrats. These two demographics are the bread and butter of the NC Democratic coalition. If their numbers don't increase on election day, Democrats will need to either a) win a higher proportion of young voters, similar to Obama '08, or 2) pull a lot more older and/or Republican voters

But, the polls have been relatively rosy for Democrats in NC and I'd like to think that their screens captured some of these issues, so for now I'd say whatever is happening in the early vote doesn't doom her chances here at all.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 31, 2016, 09:17:56 AM
NC #souls2polls 41,974 in-person #earlyvote Sun, +6,010 in 2012, 31.9% Black, 48.7% Dem. 36.0% Black, 53.7% Dem in 2012 -> more Whites voted


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 31, 2016, 09:21:16 AM
NC #souls2polls 41,974 in-person #earlyvote Sun, +6,010 in 2012, 31.9% Black, 48.7% Dem. 36.0% Black, 53.7% Dem in 2012 -> more Whites voted

It was a little confusing so he clarified:
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  40s40 seconds ago
NC #souls2polls 2016 Sunday: 24,008 Whites voted or 57.2%, +4,134 vs 2012 when 55.3% voted. Rep 24.6% in 2016 vs Rep 24.0% in 2012


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 31, 2016, 09:22:57 AM
This doesnt look well for the Democrats
But, the polls have been relatively rosy for Democrats in NC and I'd like to think that their screens captured some of these issues, so for now I'd say whatever is happening in the early vote doesn't doom her chances here at all.

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/NCpolls/NC161025/NBC%20News_WSJ_Marist%20Poll_North%20Carolina_Tables%20of%20Likely%20Voters_October%2030,%202016.pdf#page=3
In Marist's poll where they have her up 6, they have Blacks at 22% of voters, which is where they are in early voting... The Black early vote should be much higher to end up at 22%.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/New_York_Times_Siena_NC_Oct_25th.pdf
Upshot has it at 20%, and that could be too high, no?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 31, 2016, 09:24:42 AM
NC #souls2polls 41,974 in-person #earlyvote Sun, +6,010 in 2012, 31.9% Black, 48.7% Dem. 36.0% Black, 53.7% Dem in 2012 -> more Whites voted

It was a little confusing so he clarified:
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  40s40 seconds ago
NC #souls2polls 2016 Sunday: 24,008 Whites voted or 57.2%, +4,134 vs 2012 when 55.3% voted. Rep 24.6% in 2016 vs Rep 24.0% in 2012

Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  1m1 minute ago
NC #souls2polls 2016 Sunday: real action among unaffiliated. 11,067 voted or 26.4%, +3,147 vs 2012 when 22.0% voted


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: bilaps on October 31, 2016, 09:30:58 AM
This doesnt look well for the Democrats
But, the polls have been relatively rosy for Democrats in NC and I'd like to think that their screens captured some of these issues, so for now I'd say whatever is happening in the early vote doesn't doom her chances here at all.

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/NCpolls/NC161025/NBC%20News_WSJ_Marist%20Poll_North%20Carolina_Tables%20of%20Likely%20Voters_October%2030,%202016.pdf#page=3
In Marist's poll where they have her up 6, they have Blacks at 22% of voters, which is where they are in early voting... The Black early vote should be much higher to end up at 22%.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/New_York_Times_Siena_NC_Oct_25th.pdf
Upshot has it at 20%, and that could be too high, no?

It was 30% in 2012 i think when it ended up at 22 according to exits. So if now is 22% and it is 22.23% with today data, then it would sink well below 20% after election day voting.

Early vote really doesn't look god for Dems in NC but it looks bad for Trump in NV.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 31, 2016, 09:32:25 AM
This doesnt look well for the Democrats
But, the polls have been relatively rosy for Democrats in NC and I'd like to think that their screens captured some of these issues, so for now I'd say whatever is happening in the early vote doesn't doom her chances here at all.

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/NCpolls/NC161025/NBC%20News_WSJ_Marist%20Poll_North%20Carolina_Tables%20of%20Likely%20Voters_October%2030,%202016.pdf#page=3
In Marist's poll where they have her up 6, they have Blacks at 22% of voters, which is where they are in early voting... The Black early vote should be much higher to end up at 22%.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/New_York_Times_Siena_NC_Oct_25th.pdf
Upshot has it at 20%, and that could be too high, no?

It was 30% in 2012 i think when it ended up at 22 according to exits. So if now is 22% and it is 22.23% with today data, then it would sink well below 20% after election day voting.

Early vote really doesn't look god for Dems in NC but it looks bad for Trump in NV.

No, it actually looks pretty good. Check out the earlier posts in this thread.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: bilaps on October 31, 2016, 09:39:23 AM
This doesnt look well for the Democrats
But, the polls have been relatively rosy for Democrats in NC and I'd like to think that their screens captured some of these issues, so for now I'd say whatever is happening in the early vote doesn't doom her chances here at all.

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/NCpolls/NC161025/NBC%20News_WSJ_Marist%20Poll_North%20Carolina_Tables%20of%20Likely%20Voters_October%2030,%202016.pdf#page=3
In Marist's poll where they have her up 6, they have Blacks at 22% of voters, which is where they are in early voting... The Black early vote should be much higher to end up at 22%.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/New_York_Times_Siena_NC_Oct_25th.pdf
Upshot has it at 20%, and that could be too high, no?

It was 30% in 2012 i think when it ended up at 22 according to exits. So if now is 22% and it is 22.23% with today data, then it would sink well below 20% after election day voting.

Early vote really doesn't look god for Dems in NC but it looks bad for Trump in NV.

No, it actually looks pretty good. Check out the earlier posts in this thread.

Well you can spin it but votes cast tell it's own story


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on October 31, 2016, 09:39:31 AM
Not really surprised by any of this. I would be really shocked if she overperformed Obama with minorties, which is why I am not 100% sold on the polls showing her doing just that.

I get Trump is divisive but Hillary isn't exactly loved either.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 31, 2016, 09:42:57 AM
http://politics.blog.myajc.com/2016/10/31/fbi-directors-motivations-an-obligation-to-congress-and-fear-of-a-rank-and-file-revolt/

Georgia

- about 560,000 known GOP voters – those who have cast ballots in a few Republican primaries – have already cast ballots.
- That’s compared to 520,000 Democrats and about 200,000 voters who are labeled as “unknown” or “other.”
- Not counting the third category, which is a big wild card, that gives Republicans a roughly 40,000 vote margin.
- At this point in 2012, the GOP had a 2,000 vote deficit.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 31, 2016, 09:45:32 AM
According to electproject.org, Louisiana has broken past 100% of its 2012 early voting numbers, and Minnesota will as well as soon as it updates.

In total, we're about 48.7% of the total 2012 EV.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Virginiá on October 31, 2016, 09:45:52 AM
http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/NCpolls/NC161025/NBC%20News_WSJ_Marist%20Poll_North%20Carolina_Tables%20of%20Likely%20Voters_October%2030,%202016.pdf#page=3
In Marist's poll where they have her up 6, they have Blacks at 22% of voters, which is where they are in early voting... The Black early vote should be much higher to end up at 22%.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/New_York_Times_Siena_NC_Oct_25th.pdf
Upshot has it at 20%, and that could be too high, no?

Well I would also say that the election laws have changed since 2012, and this year we saw less early voting opportunities in NC, and in some counties with a lot of African Americans - substantially less. In fact, as few opportunities as legally allowed. Further, the loss of straight ticket voting inevitably creates longer wait times there is a big difference between 2 bubbles and 10+. So it's possible that many African Americans who intended to vote early (and may have tried) have decided to put it off until election day, when there will be polling places aplenty. Admittedly, this is my more optimistic view of things. I just think that the severe reduction of early voting in many places is making black turnout look worse than it will end up being.

20% doesn't seem too high to me. I wish I could compare it to 2004, but the EPs show African Americans at 26% of the NC electorate then, even when their turnout was 4-6% lower (nationally). That doesn't seem right given it was only 23% in 2008.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/5297180/
http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/states/exitpolls/north-carolina.html
http://edition.cnn.com/election/2012/results/state/NC/president/


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 31, 2016, 09:49:34 AM
Black vote as % decreased probably because

1) Restricted poll locations produced a slower start
2) Hillary is not Obama

It also doesn't help that higher % of blacks are breaking for Johnson and Stein than in 2012

She will have to do exceptionally well among educated NeverTrump whites to make up the loss.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: F_S_USATN on October 31, 2016, 09:49:58 AM
http://steveschale.com/blog/2016/10/31/almost-4-million-votes-in-and-8-days-to-go.html

Total Ballots cast:   3,731,646

Total Vote By Mail:  1,963,274 (52.7%)

Total Early Vote:  1,768,372 (47.3%)

And by party:

Republicans:  1,509.467 (40.45%)

Democrats:  1,500,937 (40.22%)

NPA:  721,249 (19.33%)

Total Margin:  GOP +0.23%

Overall, after one full weekend of early voting, here is how the I-4 counties look.

Volusia:  Weekend: 39-38-23 Dems – Overall: 41-38-21 GOP (R+3,773)

Seminole: Weekend 40-35-25 GOP – Overall: 43-36-21 GOP (R+6,767)

Orange:  Weekend 48-28-24 Dems – Overall: 48-21-21 DEM (D+36,165)

Osceola: Weekend 48-27-25 Dems – Overall: 48-29-23 DEM (D+11,264)

Polk: 40-40-20 Dems – Overall: 42-39-19 GOP (R+2,346)

Hillsborough: 43-34-23 Dems – Overall: 43-37-29 DEM (D+15,670)

Pinellas 39-37-23 GOP – Overall: 40-39-21 GOP (R+688)
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Palm Beach: Weekend: 47-27-24 DEM -- Overall: 49-29-22 DEM (+41,620)

Broward:  Weekend: 57-21-22 DEM -- Overall: 57-23-20 DEM (+112,775)

Miami-Dade: Weekend: 43-29-28 DEM -- Overall: 45-31-24 DEM (+53,518)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 31, 2016, 09:57:16 AM
http://steveschale.com/blog/2016/10/31/almost-4-million-votes-in-and-8-days-to-go.html

Total Ballots cast:   3,731,646

Total Vote By Mail:  1,963,274 (52.7%)

Total Early Vote:  1,768,372 (47.3%)

And by party:

Republicans:  1,509.467 (40.45%)

Democrats:  1,500,937 (40.22%)

NPA:  721,249 (19.33%)

Total Margin:  GOP +0.23%

Overall, after one full weekend of early voting, here is how the I-4 counties look.

Volusia:  Weekend: 39-38-23 Dems – Overall: 41-38-21 GOP (R+3,773)

Seminole: Weekend 40-35-25 GOP – Overall: 43-36-21 GOP (R+6,767)

Orange:  Weekend 48-28-24 Dems – Overall: 48-21-21 DEM (D+36,165)

Osceola: Weekend 48-27-25 Dems – Overall: 48-29-23 DEM (D+11,264)

Polk: 40-40-20 Dems – Overall: 42-39-19 GOP (R+2,346)

Hillsborough: 43-34-23 Dems – Overall: 43-37-29 DEM (D+15,670)

Pinellas 39-37-23 GOP – Overall: 40-39-21 GOP (R+688)
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Palm Beach: Weekend: 47-27-24 DEM -- Overall: 49-29-22 DEM (+41,620)

Broward:  Weekend: 57-21-22 DEM -- Overall: 57-23-20 DEM (+112,775)

Miami-Dade: Weekend: 43-29-28 DEM -- Overall: 45-31-24 DEM (+53,518)

Not too shabby!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 31, 2016, 10:00:53 AM
2 million mail ballots is kind of crazy....amazing number. let's find out of democrats are too stupid to return theirs.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 31, 2016, 10:01:29 AM
Two big ?'s are going to plague us all the way through, and thus make FL and NC extremely difficult:

1. What are all these new UAFs doing?

2. How big of an effect is the great Dixiecrat purge?


The answer to those two questions will decide the Southeast coast.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 31, 2016, 10:03:44 AM
Two big ?'s are going to plague us all the way through, and thus make FL and NC extremely difficult:

1. What are all these new UAFs doing?

2. How big of an effect is the great Dixiecrat purge?


The answer to those two questions will decide the Southeast coast.

NV, meanwhile, looks settled.

Checkmark!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 31, 2016, 10:04:18 AM
Meanwhile, we can all but officially put NV in Clinton's EV #:

Quote
@RalstonReports

Consider this based on NV early #s:
Even if Trump holds 90% of base (um, no) and wins indies by 20 (not gonna happen), he's losing NV by 2.

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on October 31, 2016, 10:05:51 AM
Meanwhile, we can all but officially put NV in Clinton's EV #:

Quote
@RalstonReports

Consider this based on NV early #s:
Even if Trump holds 90% of base (um, no) and wins indies by 20 (not gonna happen), he's losing NV by 2.

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Yes, NV has been over for Trump. I'd like to see Cortez-Masto pull through, though.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 31, 2016, 10:07:51 AM
If Nevada really is out, Trump needs to win Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, or Colorado. Not happening.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on October 31, 2016, 10:08:03 AM
Huge move in Ohio for the Dems

OH: Big Dem surge Sat/Sun. Franklin vote only 0.9% behind '12 (was 6.7% Oct 20) and Cuyahoga is 1.9% down on '12 (was '4.9%)
https://twitter.com/tbonier/status/793065727397879809

Frankin County moving almost to parity is significant because that's Ohio State so the college kids were voting this weekend. Bonier expects early voting turnout in both counties to exceed 2012. Possible Comey effect firing up Dems?

Yes, looks like EV in Ohio for DEMS will surpass 2012

Tom Bonier @tbonier
@RogersBIGFAN Yes. If the current trend continues through this week, Dems will be ahead of '12. Big if still.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 31, 2016, 10:14:12 AM
Taniel ‏@Taniel  30s31 seconds ago
27% of all Colorado voters have now returned their ballots—& in this equally divided state, registered Dems have a 3.6% edge among voters.

Taniel ‏@Taniel  1m1 minute ago
Colorado's turnout rate so far (via @NickRiccardi's raw #s):
—among registered Dems: 33%
—among registered Reps: 30%
—among others: just 20%


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Confused Democrat on October 31, 2016, 10:19:05 AM
If Nevada really is out, Trump needs to win Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, or Colorado. Not happening.

I think the Trump campaign is trying to flip Pennsylvania but failing miserably. They've just about given up on all of the other states you listed.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on October 31, 2016, 10:24:40 AM
Taniel ‏@Taniel  30s31 seconds ago
27% of all Colorado voters have now returned their ballots—& in this equally divided state, registered Dems have a 3.6% edge among voters.

Taniel ‏@Taniel  1m1 minute ago
Colorado's turnout rate so far (via @NickRiccardi's raw #s):
—among registered Dems: 33%
—among registered Reps: 30%
—among others: just 20%

(((Harry Enten))) ‏@ForecasterEnten  10m10 minutes ago
(((Harry Enten))) Retweeted Taniel
Give a little context here. In 2014 (a strong GOP year in CO), GOP had a 7 pt edge in early voters.(((Harry Enten))) added,
Taniel @Taniel
27% of all Colorado voters have now returned their ballots—& in this equally divided state, registered Dems have a 3.6% edge among voters.
0 replies 12 retweets 33 likes


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Tender Branson on October 31, 2016, 10:31:18 AM
In LA on the other hand, the early vote is already 102% of that in 2012.

Registered Dems have a 5% advantage there among the early vote (it was D+17 in 2012 and D+30 in 2008).


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: JerryArkansas on October 31, 2016, 10:38:00 AM
In LA on the other hand, the early vote is already 102% of that in 2012.

Registered Dems have a 5% advantage there among the early vote (it was D+17 in 2012 and D+30 in 2008).
Dixicrates who have finally changed voter registration.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 31, 2016, 10:43:37 AM
Taniel ‏@Taniel  30s31 seconds ago
27% of all Colorado voters have now returned their ballots—& in this equally divided state, registered Dems have a 3.6% edge among voters.

Taniel ‏@Taniel  1m1 minute ago
Colorado's turnout rate so far (via @NickRiccardi's raw #s):
—among registered Dems: 33%
—among registered Reps: 30%
—among others: just 20%

(((Harry Enten))) ‏@ForecasterEnten  10m10 minutes ago
(((Harry Enten))) Retweeted Taniel
Give a little context here. In 2014 (a strong GOP year in CO), GOP had a 7 pt edge in early voters.

Taniel @Taniel
27% of all Colorado voters have now returned their ballots—& in this equally divided state, registered Dems have a 3.6% edge among voters.

i.e., Colorado is also finished. If Nevada and Colorado are settled, there's no road.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 31, 2016, 10:44:58 AM
and i am sure all of us remember obama's dominating win of LA in 08.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Goldwater64 on October 31, 2016, 10:50:00 AM
ARIZONA:

Monmouth University shows 40% have already voted and Clinton leads by 10 for that subgroup.
Of course voters tend to overstate whether they have already voted so that number is likely less.

+- 4.9% moe
monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/MonmouthPoll_AZ_102516/

YouGov also did a poll showing 40% already voted and the race is tied at 46% for that subgroup.

+-4.3% moe
today.yougov.com/news/2016/10/30/key-battlegrounds-tight-clinton-maintains-eight-po/

Quite a polling difference



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 31, 2016, 10:54:42 AM
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Updated NC status

http://www.oldnorthstatepolitics.com/


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Classic Conservative on October 31, 2016, 11:04:17 AM
Rubio Early Votes!
https://mobile.twitter.com/olivia_pc/status/793116461468356608


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 31, 2016, 11:07:13 AM
CO #earlyvote update: trick or treat for Reps:
Treat: Dem lead +3.6 points (was 3.9 on Fri)
Trick: 3,562 more Dems returned ballots


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: bilaps on October 31, 2016, 11:20:24 AM
CO #earlyvote update: trick or treat for Reps:
Treat: Dem lead +3.6 points (was 3.9 on Fri)
Trick: 3,562 more Dems returned ballots

Wow, McDonald is a complete idiot. His post election tweet would be something like this. Trick or treat for republicans. Treat: Trump wins presidency. Trick: There were some votes cast for Clinton. I'm joking, but this tweet was so partisan.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 31, 2016, 11:22:14 AM
CO #earlyvote update: trick or treat for Reps:
Treat: Dem lead +3.6 points (was 3.9 on Fri)
Trick: 3,562 more Dems returned ballots

Wow, McDonald is a complete idiot. His post election tweet would be something like this. Trick or treat for republicans. Treat: Trump wins presidency. Trick: There were some votes cast for Clinton. I'm joking, but this tweet for so partisan.

??? it's a Halloween joke. Standard good news bad news update. Also McDonald is one of the leading sources of early vote information.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: JerryArkansas on October 31, 2016, 11:23:39 AM
CO #earlyvote update: trick or treat for Reps:
Treat: Dem lead +3.6 points (was 3.9 on Fri)
Trick: 3,562 more Dems returned ballots

Wow, McDonald is a complete idiot. His post election tweet would be something like this. Trick or treat for republicans. Treat: Trump wins presidency. Trick: There were some votes cast for Clinton. I'm joking, but this tweet for so partisan.

??? it's a Halloween joke. Standard good news bad news update. Also McDonald is one of the leading sources of early vote information.
It's a troll, don't engage him.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 31, 2016, 11:25:46 AM
Rather than McDonald's tweet, some additional clarity about CO's current situation:


Quote
@geoffreyvs
And in 2014 Gardner (R) won Senate race by just 1.9 pts & Hickenlooper (D) won reelection by 3.4 pts.

@Harry Enten
Give a little context here. In 2014 (a strong GOP year in CO), GOP had a 7 pt edge in early voters.

https://twitter.com/geoffreyvs/status/793120605147164676


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on October 31, 2016, 11:32:05 AM
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  23m23 minutes ago
North Carolina demographic characteristics of unaffiliated (no party reg) #earlyvote (as of 10/30)

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This demo breakdown for unaffiliated in NC looks awful for Trump. Perhaps one of the reasons why EV polling is so big for Clinton in NC.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 31, 2016, 11:41:00 AM
The EV numbers in TX are still through the roof, and in fact haven't slowed at all:

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https://twitter.com/eramshaw/status/793098394080190464


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 31, 2016, 11:45:05 AM
http://www.insight-us.org/blog/african-american-early-voting-is-way-down-in-north-carolina-why-is-that/

A look at why Black turnout is down in North Carolina. Biggest drivers are a reduction in sites (72% vs 2012) and hurricane related issues (79% vs 2012). Even besides those, it's 91% in unimpaired counties, and 82% in total.

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Brittain33 on October 31, 2016, 12:00:50 PM
The EV numbers in TX are still through the roof, and in fact haven't slowed at all:

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https://twitter.com/eramshaw/status/793098394080190464

As a Democrat, it's hard to feel good about the Collin County numbers. Even if we're counting "college educated" as a good thing, if Collin County numbers were low that would be an unequivocal positive sign for Dems.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 31, 2016, 12:34:18 PM
Comparison of 2016 to 2012:

First Vote-By-Mail (VBM)

daniel a. smith ‏@electionsmith  12m12 minutes ago
At this time in 2012 in FL (Oct 28)

VBM cast:
8.3% black
9.5% Hispanic
78.1% white

(2016 numbers:)

daniel a. smith ‏@electionsmith  27m27 minutes ago
Of 1.85m VBM votes cast in FL:
8% cast by blacks
13% by Hispanics
75% by whites

Next Early-In-Person (EIP)

daniel a. smith ‏@electionsmith  13m13 minutes ago
At this time in 2012 in FL (Oct 28)

EIP cast:
24% black
10.4% Hispanic
59.8% white

(2016 numbers:)

daniel a. smith ‏@electionsmith  33m33 minutes ago
Of 1.77m EIP votes cast in FL:
15% cast by blacks
15% by Hispanics
65% by whites


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 31, 2016, 12:37:11 PM
daniel a. smith ‏@electionsmith  27m27 minutes ago
Current FL active voter demos:

13.4% black
15.6% Hispanic
64% white

daniel a. smith ‏@electionsmith  33m33 minutes ago
Of the 3.6m votes cast in FL (EIP & VBM) thru Sunday:
11.3% by blacks
13.5% by Hispanics
70.3% by whites


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 31, 2016, 12:41:02 PM
daniel a. smith ‏@electionsmith  27m27 minutes ago
Current FL active voter demos:

13.4% black
15.6% Hispanic
64% white

daniel a. smith ‏@electionsmith  33m33 minutes ago
Of the 3.6m votes cast in FL (EIP & VBM) thru Sunday:
11.3% by blacks
13.5% by Hispanics
70.3% by whites

Good?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: swf541 on October 31, 2016, 12:44:23 PM
I voted yesterday for Trump, McGinty, PA Att General, & PA Treasurer.

Is there a lot of McGinty/ Trump voters?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 31, 2016, 12:46:23 PM
daniel a. smith ‏@electionsmith  27m27 minutes ago
Current FL active voter demos:

13.4% black
15.6% Hispanic
64% white

daniel a. smith ‏@electionsmith  33m33 minutes ago
Of the 3.6m votes cast in FL (EIP & VBM) thru Sunday:
11.3% by blacks
13.5% by Hispanics
70.3% by whites

Good?

Not sure that's the case. FWIW, those are slightly worse for Dems in each demo compared to the 2012 exit polls (not that that's a perfect model at all).

EDIT: his followup tweets confirm that these aren't great demo numbers, really. Weird that we're running so close to 2012 party numbers, then.....


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 31, 2016, 12:48:53 PM
daniel a. smith ‏@electionsmith  27m27 minutes ago
Current FL active voter demos:

13.4% black
15.6% Hispanic
64% white

daniel a. smith ‏@electionsmith  33m33 minutes ago
Of the 3.6m votes cast in FL (EIP & VBM) thru Sunday:
11.3% by blacks
13.5% by Hispanics
70.3% by whites

Good?

Not sure that's the case. FWIW, those are slightly worse for Dems in each demo compared to the 2012 exit polls (not that that's a perfect model at all). But I guess non-whites might come out stronger closer to/on election day?

I read that Millennials and black voters should start to vote at a higher rate than last week as the Election Day nears. If they're still at the same pace as they were last week, it signals trouble.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Classic Conservative on October 31, 2016, 12:49:41 PM
I voted yesterday for Trump, McGinty, PA Att General, & PA Treasurer.

Is there a lot of McGinty/ Trump voters?
Well Smilo and Sparks are both so, there's a probably a large number.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Maxwell on October 31, 2016, 12:52:22 PM
Voting TRUMP/McGinty is a very hipster/Atlas position, so I'm going to guess not really very many.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 31, 2016, 12:53:04 PM
Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn  11m11 minutes ago Washington, DC
The early vote tracker in North Carolina updated--and corrected. I'm sorry for screwing up, described in this image: https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/793145685013069824

Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn  8m8 minutes ago Washington, DC
The main take away from our NC early vote tracker so far: our expectations for the composition of the electorate haven't budged at all

In reply to Nate Cohn
Kenny Johnson ‏@dodgingcars  6m6 minutes ago
@Nate_Cohn it doesn't seem like the lower than 2012 AA vote is hurting her.  I wonder why? Is she wooing more of of the Romney voters?

Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn  5m5 minutes ago Washington, DC
Nate Cohn Retweeted Kenny Johnson
Our estimate was the black share of electorate would fall to 21.4% from 23. Lower black turnout was baked in


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 31, 2016, 12:56:06 PM
So fixing the error dropped Clinton by .8%, but that still leaves their projection as Clinton winning by ~5. The weekend didn't move that number much (outside the error). So far so good in NC....if Cohn is right. The actual numbers on the ground without any extrapolation are just a big blur right now.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 31, 2016, 12:58:17 PM
Doesn't relate to early vote/absentee but
LOL David Plouffe overconfident as ever

https://twitter.com/davidplouffe/status/792789574367842304

"Clinton path to 300+ rock solid. Structure of race not affected by Comey's reckless irresponsibility. Vote and volunteer, don't fret or wet"

Maybe he should remedy some bed-wetters in Atlas


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: PresidentTRUMP on October 31, 2016, 12:59:13 PM
So NC went R in 2012 and the AA vote is down right now by 18% yet you all are saying NC looks great for HRC right now? Obama lost in 2012 by 1-2% and the AA vote was 18% higher at this time last year no matter the reason for the lower turnout, yet NC again looks so good for her? Please explain.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Brittain33 on October 31, 2016, 01:05:43 PM
So NC went R in 2012 and the AA vote is down right now by 18% yet you all are saying NC looks great for HRC right now? Obama lost in 2012 by 1-2% and the AA vote was 18% higher at this time last year no matter the reason for the lower turnout, yet NC again looks so good for her? Please explain.

College-educated white voters swinging wildly to Dems.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 31, 2016, 01:05:43 PM
Doesn't relate to early vote/absentee but
LOL David Plouffe overconfident as ever

https://twitter.com/davidplouffe/status/792789574367842304

"Clinton path to 300+ rock solid. Structure of race not affected by Comey's reckless irresponsibility. Vote and volunteer, don't fret or wet"

Maybe he should remedy some bed-wetters in Atlas

I suppose it's good not to see him trying to pretend only about a firmish firewall, but otherwise he's as useless a metric for what's actually happening as a heavy partisan for anyone is.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 31, 2016, 01:05:58 PM
So NC went R in 2012 and the AA vote is down right now by 18% yet you all are saying NC looks great for HRC right now? Obama lost in 2012 by 1-2% and the AA vote was 18% higher at this time last year no matter the reason for the lower turnout, yet NC again looks so good for her? Please explain.

The dynamics of the race are different. We're expecting higher Hispanic turnout and for HRC to pick up a significantly larger share of the educated vote, both of these must be factored in when looking at NC and FL, respectively.

Note that there will almost surely be a lot of crossover vote from normally R Cuban-American voters at the presidential ticket. Similarly, in NC, a state with a significant chunk of an educated populace, even though the AA turnout is down for now, the educated White vote will be propelling her to compensate for that and beyond what Obama did in 2012.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Yank2133 on October 31, 2016, 01:06:15 PM
So NC went R in 2012 and the AA vote is down right now by 18% yet you all are saying NC looks great for HRC right now? Obama lost in 2012 by 1-2% and the AA vote was 18% higher at this time last year no matter the reason for the lower turnout, yet NC again looks so good for her? Please explain.

She is offsetting the decline AA with college educated whites.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: PresidentTRUMP on October 31, 2016, 01:06:34 PM
So NC went R in 2012 and the AA vote is down right now by 18% yet you all are saying NC looks great for HRC right now? Obama lost in 2012 by 1-2% and the AA vote was 18% higher at this time last year no matter the reason for the lower turnout, yet NC again looks so good for her? Please explain.

College-educated white voters swinging wildly to Dems.

How could you possibly know the above to be true? Even if true, trump will off-set that with whites with a high school degree or less who went Obama in 2012.

Are states actually showing the percentage for each candidate each day or is that all based on "assumptions"? If they are can you please provide the website so i can check the daily percentages per candidate. Thanks.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: JerryArkansas on October 31, 2016, 01:07:27 PM
So NC went R in 2012 and the AA vote is down right now by 18% yet you all are saying NC looks great for HRC right now? Obama lost in 2012 by 1-2% and the AA vote was 18% higher at this time last year no matter the reason for the lower turnout, yet NC again looks so good for her? Please explain.

College-educated white voters swinging wildly to Dems.

How could you possibly know the above to be true?
The polls, all of them.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on October 31, 2016, 01:10:30 PM
In Georgia's four most populous counties, as of this morning:

Fulton: 22% of RV have already voted
DeKalb: 19%
Cobb: 14%
Gwinnett: 13%

Source: http://www.ajc.com/news/local/dekalb-county-leader-early-voting/8HFkR2iBp6L2uGDLgQkd2M/

In raw terms this would appear to be positive for the Democrats, but I have no idea how it compares to a similar point in 2012.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 31, 2016, 01:10:36 PM
Doesn't relate to early vote/absentee but
LOL David Plouffe overconfident as ever

https://twitter.com/davidplouffe/status/792789574367842304

"Clinton path to 300+ rock solid. Structure of race not affected by Comey's reckless irresponsibility. Vote and volunteer, don't fret or wet"

Maybe he should remedy some bed-wetters in Atlas

I suppose it's good not to see him trying to pretend only about a firmish firewall, but otherwise he's as useless a metric for what's actually happening as a heavy partisan for anyone is.

Yea it was meant to be only half-serious.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: PresidentTRUMP on October 31, 2016, 01:11:09 PM
So NC went R in 2012 and the AA vote is down right now by 18% yet you all are saying NC looks great for HRC right now? Obama lost in 2012 by 1-2% and the AA vote was 18% higher at this time last year no matter the reason for the lower turnout, yet NC again looks so good for her? Please explain.

College-educated white voters swinging wildly to Dems.

How could you possibly know the above to be true?
The polls, all of them.

Ohhh the "polls" are, you mean the polls for example showing CLinton a week ago up 15% in a 4 way national race which is basically mathematically impossible? Or do you mean ALL of the polls showing Clinton up 20-35% in the Michigan Primary all the way up until the night before the primary, when she lost by 1-2 % to Sanders in the State. OVER a 20% swing of "all of the polls were showing". Those polls are what you guys are going off of, okay than.

Thought we had actual data showing who voted for who with all of the celebrating, lol. Was wondering if they were giving that info out on a daily basis, i didn't think they were but wasn't sure.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 31, 2016, 01:11:44 PM
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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: PresidentTRUMP on October 31, 2016, 01:15:31 PM
Find this board to funny, literally. Were tracking Texas like it might actually go D this cycle LOL. Only on atlas. No tracking or polls for the most part showing that Wisconsin, Minn & PA are within 3-5%. But were keeping daily totals on Texas because Hillary is going to flip that state LOL. Give me a break already.

What about daily Polls in the 3 above states, NM, NH and Michigan and see what they look like if we poll them everyday. No reason i guess because the Media has told us every one of those states is a lock for Clinton and she has double digit leads in all of them. Yet we have polls daily with Georgia and Arizona. 


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Brittain33 on October 31, 2016, 01:15:32 PM
Ohhh the "polls" are, you mean the polls for example showing CLinton a week ago up 15% in a 4 way national race which is basically mathematically impossible? Or do you mean ALL of the polls showing Clinton up 20-35% in the Michigan Primary all the way up until the night before the primary, when she lost by 1-2 % to Sanders in the State. OVER a 20% swing of "all of the polls were showing". Those polls are what you guys are going off of, okay than.

Well, if you don't find polls to be of any value or meaning, you won't find much to talk about on this forum for the next eight days. :)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 31, 2016, 01:17:27 PM
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clintons-coalition-hispanic-support-is-up-black-turnout-is-down/

In Florida, the good news for Clinton is that the two most Latino counties in the state, Miami-Dade and Osceola, are above the state average in their progress towards exceeding 2012 early/vote-by-mail turnout.

But the bad news for her is that turnout has lagged behind the state average in all five counties with the highest percentage of African-American voters

Lee County, a GOP bastion on the southwest Gulf Coast, is already at 125 percent of its 2012 total, and Sumter County, the ruby red home of The Villages, is at 104 percent, signaling increased GOP enthusiasm.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on October 31, 2016, 01:18:19 PM
Find this board to funny, literally. Were tracking Texas like it might actually go D this cycle LOL. Only on atlas. No tracking or polls for the most part showing that Wisconsin, Minn & PA are within 3-5%. But were keeping daily totals on Texas because Hillary is going to flip that state LOL. Give me a break already.

What about daily Polls in the 3 above states, NM, NH and Michigan and see what they look like if we poll them everyday. No reason i guess because the Media has told us every one of those states is a lock for Clinton and she has double digit leads in all of them. Yet we have polls daily with Georgia and Arizona. 

You are mixing apples and oranges.  Polls and early voting data are entirely different things.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BuckeyeNut on October 31, 2016, 01:19:40 PM
Interesting finding in Ohio:

While early turnout is down in Franklin, Hamilton, Cuyahoga, and Montgomery counties, turnout is up in the actual cities of Columbus, Cincinnati, Cleveland, and Dayton. Cincinnati and Columbus have cleared their 2012 totals, even though there's one week less of early voting this year.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 31, 2016, 01:20:35 PM
Interesting finding in Ohio:

While early turnout is down in Franklin, Hamilton, Cuyahoga, and Montgomery counties, turnout is up in the actual cities of Columbus, Cincinnati, Cleveland, and Dayton. Cincinnati and Columbus have cleared their 2012 totals, even though there's one week less of early voting this year.

Disaffected moderates?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: PresidentTRUMP on October 31, 2016, 01:20:37 PM
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clintons-coalition-hispanic-support-is-up-black-turnout-is-down/

In Florida, the good news for Clinton is that the two most Latino counties in the state, Miami-Dade and Osceola, are above the state average in their progress towards exceeding 2012 early/vote-by-mail turnout.

But the bad news for her is that turnout has lagged behind the state average in all five counties with the highest percentage of African-American voters

Lee County, a GOP bastion on the southwest Gulf Coast, is already at 125 percent of its 2012 total, and Sumter County, the ruby red home of The Villages, is at 104 percent, signaling increased GOP enthusiasm.

Huh...HRC already has Florida rapped up based on our early voting data, Media and this forum. Please don't post the 2nd half of what you did because it simply not true. HRC has FLorida locked up and early voting in Texas is showing us all also that it probably goes Hillary as well.

Need to get some early voting data from Alaska as well as that is probably looking like a flip to HRC as well.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 31, 2016, 01:23:43 PM
Interesting finding in Ohio:

While early turnout is down in Franklin, Hamilton, Cuyahoga, and Montgomery counties, turnout is up in the actual cities of Columbus, Cincinnati, Cleveland, and Dayton. Cincinnati and Columbus have cleared their 2012 totals, even though there's one week less of early voting this year.

Hopefully a sign that the ground game in the cities is running as smoothly as ever. (this is hardly a guarantee of that, however).


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on October 31, 2016, 01:24:00 PM
Find this board to funny, literally. Were tracking Texas like it might actually go D this cycle LOL. Only on atlas. No tracking or polls for the most part showing that Wisconsin, Minn & PA are within 3-5%. But were keeping daily totals on Texas because Hillary is going to flip that state LOL. Give me a break already.

What about daily Polls in the 3 above states, NM, NH and Michigan and see what they look like if we poll them everyday. No reason i guess because the Media has told us every one of those states is a lock for Clinton and she has double digit leads in all of them. Yet we have polls daily with Georgia and Arizona.  

Sorry to be a buzzkill, but the actual polls show us Texas is closer right now than PA, WI and MN. That's just the facts.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: StatesPoll on October 31, 2016, 01:25:11 PM
daniel a. smith ‏@electionsmith  27m27 minutes ago
Current FL active voter demos:

13.4% black
15.6% Hispanic
64% white

daniel a. smith ‏@electionsmith  33m33 minutes ago
Of the 3.6m votes cast in FL (EIP & VBM) thru Sunday:
11.3% by blacks
13.5% by Hispanics
70.3% by whites

Fantastic.

in 2012.  Early Vote + Election Day
CNN FL Exit Poll: White 67% | Hispanic 17% | Black 13%
http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/state/FL/president/

10/31/2016, FL(EIP & VBM) : White 70.3% (+3.3%) | Hispanic 13.5%(-3.5%) | Black 11.3%(-1.7%)

FL = Safe TRUMP ;)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 31, 2016, 01:25:14 PM
Interesting finding in Ohio:

While early turnout is down in Franklin, Hamilton, Cuyahoga, and Montgomery counties, turnout is up in the actual cities of Columbus, Cincinnati, Cleveland, and Dayton. Cincinnati and Columbus have cleared their 2012 totals, even though there's one week less of early voting this year.

I guess that educated Republicans in those counties are possibly lagging too.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 31, 2016, 01:25:19 PM

Sorry to be a buzzkill, the the actual polls show us Texas is closer right now than PA, WI and MN. That's just the facts.

You know the old adage about wrestling with pigs. Save your breath, thinking, and keyboard.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: StatesPoll on October 31, 2016, 01:27:31 PM
Find this board to funny, literally. Were tracking Texas like it might actually go D this cycle LOL. Only on atlas. No tracking or polls for the most part showing that Wisconsin, Minn & PA are within 3-5%. But were keeping daily totals on Texas because Hillary is going to flip that state LOL. Give me a break already.

What about daily Polls in the 3 above states, NM, NH and Michigan and see what they look like if we poll them everyday. No reason i guess because the Media has told us every one of those states is a lock for Clinton and she has double digit leads in all of them. Yet we have polls daily with Georgia and Arizona.  

you should not expect a common sense from Red Avatars in here. They are so biased.
Once as I remember, few weeks ago. One of Red Avatar said
"Nate Silver'(Liberal's hero) is a 'GOP operative'."


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 31, 2016, 01:28:29 PM
Per http://www.electproject.org/early_2016, over 23 million people have voted with many states not having updated from the weekend yet. The number corresponds to 50% of the EV count in 2012 with several days to go before it stops.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 31, 2016, 01:30:15 PM
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Clinton outperforming Obama with Latinos in week-by-week comparison of Latino prez vote 2012 v 2016. Charts shows gap (%Dem - %Rep)


Interesting


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 31, 2016, 01:32:06 PM
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Per electionsmith


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: PresidentTRUMP on October 31, 2016, 01:32:55 PM
Find this board to funny, literally. Were tracking Texas like it might actually go D this cycle LOL. Only on atlas. No tracking or polls for the most part showing that Wisconsin, Minn & PA are within 3-5%. But were keeping daily totals on Texas because Hillary is going to flip that state LOL. Give me a break already.

What about daily Polls in the 3 above states, NM, NH and Michigan and see what they look like if we poll them everyday. No reason i guess because the Media has told us every one of those states is a lock for Clinton and she has double digit leads in all of them. Yet we have polls daily with Georgia and Arizona.  

Sorry to be a buzzkill, but the actual polls show us Texas is closer right now than PA, WI and MN. That's just the facts.

Yes, TEXAS the state that is literally the home of the 2nd amendment is going to go for Clinton over Trump, especially with a couple supreme court justices being picked from the next president.

Give me a break already, geez, texas is not going D, not this cycle or atleast another few thats for sure but keep tracking the state like it will actually flip, literally hilarious to read the nonsense on here.

2012:

Romney: 4,569,843
Obama: 3,308,124

Over 1.2 million more votes for MITT ROMNEY over a sitting president. But yes shes going to overcome that and win the state, comical.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 31, 2016, 01:33:18 PM
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Clinton outperforming Obama with Latinos in week-by-week comparison of Latino prez vote 2012 v 2016. Charts shows gap (%Dem - %Rep)


Interesting

Was it Skill and Chance who predicted this? Whatever small loss there might be with the AA vote will be compensated to greater lengths by Hispanic votes.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: JerryArkansas on October 31, 2016, 01:36:27 PM
Find this board to funny, literally. Were tracking Texas like it might actually go D this cycle LOL. Only on atlas. No tracking or polls for the most part showing that Wisconsin, Minn & PA are within 3-5%. But were keeping daily totals on Texas because Hillary is going to flip that state LOL. Give me a break already.

What about daily Polls in the 3 above states, NM, NH and Michigan and see what they look like if we poll them everyday. No reason i guess because the Media has told us every one of those states is a lock for Clinton and she has double digit leads in all of them. Yet we have polls daily with Georgia and Arizona. 

Sorry to be a buzzkill, but the actual polls show us Texas is closer right now than PA, WI and MN. That's just the facts.

Yes, TEXAS the state that is literally the home of the 2nd amendment is going to go for Clinton over Trump, especially with a couple supreme court justices being picked from the next president.

Give me a break already, geez, texas is not going D, not this cycle or atleast another few thats for sure but keep tracking the state like it will actually flip, literally hilarious to read the nonsense on here.

2012:

Romney: 4,569,843
Obama: 3,308,124

Over 1.2 million more votes for MITT ROMNEY over a sitting president. But yes shes going to overcome that and win the state, comical.
Just remember that about 1 million people who are Hispanic have registered to vote in Texas since 2012.  And the turnout is already about 40% higher than in 2012.  Texas will be closer.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Brittain33 on October 31, 2016, 01:37:02 PM
Yes, TEXAS the state that is literally the home of the 2nd amendment

No, it isn't.

From Wikipedia:
Quote
George Washington had fourteen handwritten copies of the Bill of Rights made, one for Congress and one for each of the original thirteen states.[111] The copies for Georgia, Maryland, New York, and Pennsylvania went missing.[112] The New York copy is thought to have been destroyed in a fire.[113] Two unidentified copies of the missing four (thought to be the Georgia and Maryland copies) survive; one is in the National Archives, and the other is in the New York Public Library.[114][115] North Carolina's copy was stolen from the State Capitol by a Union soldier following the Civil War. In an FBI sting operation, it was recovered in 2003.[116][117] The copy retained by the First Congress has been on display (along with the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence) in the Rotunda for the Charters of Freedom room at the National Archives Building in Washington, D.C. since December 13, 1952.[118]


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BuckeyeNut on October 31, 2016, 01:37:57 PM
Interesting finding in Ohio:

While early turnout is down in Franklin, Hamilton, Cuyahoga, and Montgomery counties, turnout is up in the actual cities of Columbus, Cincinnati, Cleveland, and Dayton. Cincinnati and Columbus have cleared their 2012 totals, even though there's one week less of early voting this year.

Disaffected moderates?
I'd assume so. But also a bit of what Speed of Sound and BoAtlas said. Republicans in places like Dublin aren't going to vote for Trump as much as they voted for Romney.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: PresidentTRUMP on October 31, 2016, 01:38:08 PM
Yes, Hispanics will turn out in DROVES to vote for Hillary CLinton because they see her as so much more favorable that President Obama.

For the argument "well they will because they hate Trump and all the things he said". During a 2012 debate Mitt Romney said he was going to deporte hispanics and make things to the point where they want to self-deporte. He got what, 27% of the Hispanic vote? Yes, them and AA are much more enthusiastic to vote for Hillary than Obama. Really? Okay we will see soon enough..


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 31, 2016, 01:38:41 PM
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Clinton outperforming Obama with Latinos in week-by-week comparison of Latino prez vote 2012 v 2016. Charts shows gap (%Dem - %Rep)


Interesting

Was it Skill and Chance who predicted this? Whatever small loss there might be with the AA vote will be compensated to greater lengths by Hispanic votes.

I just went back and still couldn't find it. But it's not unrealistic to think AA would be somewhat down this year. Hillary definitely is not Obama.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: PresidentTRUMP on October 31, 2016, 01:39:19 PM
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Clinton outperforming Obama with Latinos in week-by-week comparison of Latino prez vote 2012 v 2016. Charts shows gap (%Dem - %Rep)


Interesting


Was it Skill and Chance who predicted this? Whatever small loss there might be with the AA vote will be compensated to greater lengths by Hispanic votes.

I just went back and still couldn't find it. But it's not unrealistic to think AA would be somewhat down this year. Hillary definitely is not Obama.

Hmmm you think? That's a shocker...


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 31, 2016, 01:40:08 PM
Yes, Hispanics will turn out in DROVES to vote for Hillary CLinton because they see her as so much more favorable that President Obama.

For the argument "well they will because they hate Trump and all the things he said". During a 2012 debate Mitt Romeny said he was going to deporate hispanics and make things to the point where they want to self-deporte. He got what, 27% of the Hispanic vote? Yes, them and AA are much more enthusiastic to vote for Hillary than Obama. Really? Okay we will see soon enough..

Oh, we will. Romney might have said deport, but he was a tempered candidate with experience and nuance. HE didn't start the campaign saying Mexicans are rapists and murderers nor did he base it on that.

The false equivalence of Romney = Trump to Hispanics is insulting. Romney is a saint compared to Trump.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: PresidentTRUMP on October 31, 2016, 01:40:18 PM
Find this board to funny, literally. Were tracking Texas like it might actually go D this cycle LOL. Only on atlas. No tracking or polls for the most part showing that Wisconsin, Minn & PA are within 3-5%. But were keeping daily totals on Texas because Hillary is going to flip that state LOL. Give me a break already.

What about daily Polls in the 3 above states, NM, NH and Michigan and see what they look like if we poll them everyday. No reason i guess because the Media has told us every one of those states is a lock for Clinton and she has double digit leads in all of them. Yet we have polls daily with Georgia and Arizona. 

Sorry to be a buzzkill, but the actual polls show us Texas is closer right now than PA, WI and MN. That's just the facts.

Yes, TEXAS the state that is literally the home of the 2nd amendment is going to go for Clinton over Trump, especially with a couple supreme court justices being picked from the next president.

Give me a break already, geez, texas is not going D, not this cycle or atleast another few thats for sure but keep tracking the state like it will actually flip, literally hilarious to read the nonsense on here.

2012:

Romney: 4,569,843
Obama: 3,308,124

Over 1.2 million more votes for MITT ROMNEY over a sitting president. But yes shes going to overcome that and win the state, comical.
Just remember that about 1 million people who are Hispanic have registered to vote in Texas since 2012.  And the turnout is already about 40% higher than in 2012.  Texas will be closer.

I never stated it wouldn't be closer, but for people to suggest on here that it actually has a chance to flip D....is literally comical.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: PresidentTRUMP on October 31, 2016, 01:41:17 PM
Yes, Hispanics will turn out in DROVES to vote for Hillary CLinton because they see her as so much more favorable that President Obama.

For the argument "well they will because they hate Trump and all the things he said". During a 2012 debate Mitt Romeny said he was going to deporate hispanics and make things to the point where they want to self-deporte. He got what, 27% of the Hispanic vote? Yes, them and AA are much more enthusiastic to vote for Hillary than Obama. Really? Okay we will see soon enough..

Oh, we will. Romney might have said deport, but he was a tempered candidate with experience and nuance. HE didn't start the campaign saying Mexicans are rapists and murderers nor did he base it on that.

The false equivalence of Romney = Trump to Hispanics is insulting. Romney is a saint compared to Trump.

hahaha only in this dreamland called the atlas forum. We will find out in basically a week.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 31, 2016, 01:42:02 PM
Yes, Hispanics will turn out in DROVES to vote for Hillary CLinton because they see her as so much more favorable that President Obama.

For the argument "well they will because they hate Trump and all the things he said". During a 2012 debate Mitt Romeny said he was going to deporate hispanics and make things to the point where they want to self-deporte. He got what, 27% of the Hispanic vote? Yes, them and AA are much more enthusiastic to vote for Hillary than Obama. Really? Okay we will see soon enough..

Oh, we will. Romney might have said deport, but he was a tempered candidate with experience and nuance. HE didn't start the campaign saying Mexicans are rapists and murderers nor did he base it on that.

The false equivalence of Romney = Trump to Hispanics is insulting. Romney is a saint compared to Trump.

hahaha only in this dreamland called the atlas forum. We will find out in basically a week.

You're insane.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: PresidentTRUMP on October 31, 2016, 01:45:21 PM
Yes, Hispanics will turn out in DROVES to vote for Hillary CLinton because they see her as so much more favorable that President Obama.

For the argument "well they will because they hate Trump and all the things he said". During a 2012 debate Mitt Romeny said he was going to deporate hispanics and make things to the point where they want to self-deporte. He got what, 27% of the Hispanic vote? Yes, them and AA are much more enthusiastic to vote for Hillary than Obama. Really? Okay we will see soon enough..

Oh, we will. Romney might have said deport, but he was a tempered candidate with experience and nuance. HE didn't start the campaign saying Mexicans are rapists and murderers nor did he base it on that.

The false equivalence of Romney = Trump to Hispanics is insulting. Romney is a saint compared to Trump.

hahaha only in this dreamland called the atlas forum. We will find out in basically a week.

You're insane.

Why because im pointing the OBVIOUS out that AA and hispanic will turn out not even close to Obama levels for Hillary? If that's insane, i guess like i said we will find out soon.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Crumpets on October 31, 2016, 01:46:42 PM
Yes, Hispanics will turn out in DROVES to vote for Hillary CLinton because they see her as so much more favorable that President Obama.

For the argument "well they will because they hate Trump and all the things he said". During a 2012 debate Mitt Romeny said he was going to deporate hispanics and make things to the point where they want to self-deporte. He got what, 27% of the Hispanic vote? Yes, them and AA are much more enthusiastic to vote for Hillary than Obama. Really? Okay we will see soon enough..

Oh, we will. Romney might have said deport, but he was a tempered candidate with experience and nuance. HE didn't start the campaign saying Mexicans are rapists and murderers nor did he base it on that.

The false equivalence of Romney = Trump to Hispanics is insulting. Romney is a saint compared to Trump.

hahaha only in this dreamland called the atlas forum. We will find out in basically a week.

You're insane.

Why because im pointing the OBVIOUS out that AA and hispanic will turn out not even close to Obama levels for Hillary? If that's insane, i guess like i said we will find out soon.

It is an easily observable fact that Hispanic turnout is up dramatically since 2012. It's harder to judge AA turnout, but any losses will likely be very small.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 31, 2016, 01:46:57 PM
Yes, Hispanics will turn out in DROVES to vote for Hillary CLinton because they see her as so much more favorable that President Obama.

For the argument "well they will because they hate Trump and all the things he said". During a 2012 debate Mitt Romeny said he was going to deporate hispanics and make things to the point where they want to self-deporte. He got what, 27% of the Hispanic vote? Yes, them and AA are much more enthusiastic to vote for Hillary than Obama. Really? Okay we will see soon enough..

Oh, we will. Romney might have said deport, but he was a tempered candidate with experience and nuance. HE didn't start the campaign saying Mexicans are rapists and murderers nor did he base it on that.

The false equivalence of Romney = Trump to Hispanics is insulting. Romney is a saint compared to Trump.

hahaha only in this dreamland called the atlas forum. We will find out in basically a week.

You're insane.

Why because im pointing the OBVIOUS out that AA and hispanic will turn out not even close to Obama levels for Hillary? If that's insane, i guess like i said we will find out soon.

Insane because you somehow think that Romney and Trump have built up the same image with Hispanics in general and that Trump can perform like him because of that. That's what's insane.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 31, 2016, 01:54:48 PM
More on NC and the AA vote: NAACP sues the state for voter registration purge right before the election.

"The North Carolina NAACP has filed a federal lawsuit to stop county election boards in the state from canceling voter registrations ― in what the group argues is an effort by the state Republican Party to suppress the black vote.

Thousands of voter registrations have already been canceled by election boards in Beaufort, Moore and Cumberland counties because a mailing to the voters’ addresses was returned as undeliverable."

Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/north-carolina-naacp-voter-suppression_us_5817634fe4b064e1b4b385df


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: fldemfunds on October 31, 2016, 02:34:55 PM
Sig bet. Hrc wins fl by 5 or more


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: bilaps on October 31, 2016, 02:36:23 PM
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Clinton outperforming Obama with Latinos in week-by-week comparison of Latino prez vote 2012 v 2016. Charts shows gap (%Dem - %Rep)


Interesting

Was it Skill and Chance who predicted this? Whatever small loss there might be with the AA vote will be compensated to greater lengths by Hispanic votes.

LOL. You see that comparison but you are missing that is much easier for white turnout which is surpassing 2012 to compensate for hispanic turnout surge?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Maxwell on October 31, 2016, 02:42:34 PM
The problem for Trump, of course, is that few if any polls show Trump doing anything other than way worse than Romney among whites.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: bilaps on October 31, 2016, 02:46:09 PM
The problem for Trump, of course, is that few if any polls show Trump doing anything other than way worse than Romney among whites.

yeah right. so he is down with whites, doesn't get any from aa and hispanics, hispanic turnout is up, and he is up 4 points in upshot based on what please tell me?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 31, 2016, 02:47:17 PM
The problem for Trump, of course, is that few if any polls show Trump doing anything other than way worse than Romney among whites.

yeah right. so he is down with whites, doesn't get any from aa and hispanics, hispanic turnout is up, and he is up 4 points in upshot based on what please tell me?

Trump is down 7 in both NC and PA according to upshot. The state you're referencing is Florida


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 31, 2016, 02:47:38 PM
Steve Schale

"First, Hispanics now make up almost 13.5% of FL registered voters who have voted.  And it has been fractionally growing every day."

"In fact 50% of the FL Hispanic Democrats and 55% of Hispanic NPAs voted to date have never voted, or only in 1 of last 3 elections"


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Maxwell on October 31, 2016, 02:48:12 PM
The problem for Trump, of course, is that few if any polls show Trump doing anything other than way worse than Romney among whites.

yeah right. so he is down with whites, doesn't get any from aa and hispanics, hispanic turnout is up, and he is up 4 points in upshot based on what please tell me?

I was talking nationally - and I honestly don't know what's going on with upshot and Florida.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 31, 2016, 02:48:29 PM

I think she'll take FL, but you're out of your mind if you think it'll be by 5. Neither the polls nor even a generous reading of the early vote sees that coming.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 31, 2016, 02:55:34 PM
FWIW, Cohn and Schale are both impressed with the Hispanic turnout at this point in FL:

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@Nate_Cohn
That's a pretty big number at this stage


Steve Schale @steveschale
First, Hispanics now make up almost 13.5% of FL registered voters who have voted.  And it has been fractionally growing every day. 2/

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/793176820254408704


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 31, 2016, 03:04:48 PM
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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: IceSpear on October 31, 2016, 03:11:36 PM
Why is Pennsylvania's turnout so much lower than other swing states?

We don't have early voting. We have absentee voting that requires an excuse.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 31, 2016, 03:26:10 PM
This is a nice image from @electionsmith showing to what extent the early 2016 vote in Florida from each party is just cannibalizing the 2012 Election Day vote:

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Democrats are doing slightly better than Republicans (compare green boxes) but real key is number of first time non-affiliated NPA voters (purple).

btw, how does "insert image" work? I tried to drag it from my desktop but no luck...

EDIT: Ah, of course, thanks HillOfANight


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on October 31, 2016, 03:33:59 PM
Voting TRUMP/McGinty is a very hipster/Atlas position, so I'm going to guess not really very many.

How Toomey talked about Trump is disdainful, and more importantly I disagree with him on an issue I feel very strongly. I hope he loses his seat.

Trump has never talked about anyone disdainfully.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 31, 2016, 03:42:50 PM
This is a nice image from @electionsmith showing to what extent the early 2016 vote in Florida from each party is just cannibalizing the 2012 Election Day vote:

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Democrats are doing slightly better than Republicans (compare green boxes) but real key is number of first time non-affiliated NPA voters (purple).

btw, how does "insert image" work? I tried to drag it from my desktop but no luck...

Highlight the URL and click the IMG button, or click IMG and paste the URL inside.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 31, 2016, 03:55:19 PM

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In 1 week, Republicans have taken the lead in Arizona, narrowed the gap in Colorado/Iowa/Michigan/Ohio, cemented their lead in Georgia. Caveat that this data is very confusing since they don't compare to past years.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ‼realJohnEwards‼ on October 31, 2016, 03:59:29 PM
Interesting finding in Ohio:

While early turnout is down in Franklin, Hamilton, Cuyahoga, and Montgomery counties, turnout is up in the actual cities of Columbus, Cincinnati, Cleveland, and Dayton. Cincinnati and Columbus have cleared their 2012 totals, even though there's one week less of early voting this year.

Hopefully a sign that the ground game in the cities is running as smoothly as ever. (this is hardly a guarantee of that, however).
Suburban Republicans staying home?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 31, 2016, 04:33:10 PM
Iowa absentee ballot stats, 10/31

Ballots requested:

DEM: 248,314
GOP: 198,459
IND: 132,883
Other: 1,905

Ballots cast:

DEM: 198,736
GOP: 155,425
IND: 97,503
Other: 1,380

Dems had a very good weekend. They expanded their ballot request lead to virtually 50K and now lead in ballots cast by 43.5K. On Friday, Dems led by 46.5K in ballot requests and 40.5K in ballots cast


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Devout Centrist on October 31, 2016, 04:35:04 PM
Trump was overestimated during the caucus, he's going to lose Iowa come November 8th.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 31, 2016, 04:36:31 PM
ok, dems also bled in registration levels but still...that IA is competetive at this point.....


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Crumpets on October 31, 2016, 04:37:09 PM
Iowa absentee ballot stats, 10/31

Ballots requested:

DEM: 248,314
GOP: 198,459
IND: 132,883
Other: 1,905

Ballots cast:

DEM: 198,736
GOP: 155,425
IND: 97,503
Other: 1,380

Dems had a very good weekend. They expanded their ballot request lead to virtually 50K and now lead in ballots cast by 43.5K. On Friday, Dems led by 46.5K in ballot requests and 40.5K in ballots cast

Is there some secret cohort of black churches in Iowa that only appear for souls to the polls and then disappear come census time?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ‼realJohnEwards‼ on October 31, 2016, 04:39:42 PM
We've more or less passed the 50k threshold. Great news.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: swf541 on October 31, 2016, 04:44:53 PM
We've more or less passed the 50k threshold. Great news.

Great News :)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 31, 2016, 04:45:32 PM
We've more or less passed the 50k threshold. Great news.

We need it in ballots cast. Obama had an advantage of 82K in ballot requests and 68.4K in ballots cast. So we're still a little behind but that was a good move in the positive direction. Still lots of work to do. I'd like to see us at +65K in ballot requests and +55K in ballots cast to feel even more confident


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 31, 2016, 04:54:52 PM
Obama also never trailed Romney in the polls in Iowa. So she needs to do more than match Obama's early vote performance.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: IceSpear on October 31, 2016, 04:59:28 PM
Obama also never trailed Romney in the polls in Iowa. So she needs to do more than match Obama's early vote performance.

I don't get your logic here. If she was matching Obama's early vote performance, she likely WOULDN'T be trailing in polls there...


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: America Needs R'hllor on October 31, 2016, 05:01:41 PM
Obama also never trailed Romney in the polls in Iowa. So she needs to do more than match Obama's early vote performance.

I don't get your logic here. If she was matching Obama's early vote performance, she likely WOULDN'T be trailing in polls there...
Yeah, the fact that she's trailing in the polls AND doing well in early voting is encouraging for her, logically.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: swf541 on October 31, 2016, 05:01:53 PM
Obama also never trailed Romney in the polls in Iowa. So she needs to do more than match Obama's early vote performance.

I don't get your logic here. If she was matching Obama's early vote performance, she likely WOULDN'T be trailing in polls there...

Yea, I dont remember getting any recent Iowa polls either


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on October 31, 2016, 05:03:38 PM
Not if independents swing toward Trump


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: SunSt0rm on October 31, 2016, 05:09:00 PM
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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Virginiá on October 31, 2016, 05:27:16 PM
Didn't Obama win Iowa by a fairly significant margin (like 5% or so)?  Why is there paranoia about matching his exact early vote in 2012?  

No idea. That Democrats are doing well so far in early voting is reason enough to at least not panic over Iowa. She doesn't need to win by 5.81% like Obama in 2012. If she wins it by 0.5%, it's still a win, and the only ones who might suffer in that scenario are a limited set of downballot IA Democrats that get starved of some marginal coattails.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 31, 2016, 05:28:53 PM
Maine looks pretty good:

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 31, 2016, 05:56:10 PM
Didn't Obama win Iowa by a fairly significant margin (like 5% or so)?  Why is there paranoia about matching his exact early vote in 2012?  

No idea. That Democrats are doing well so far in early voting is reason enough to at least not panic over Iowa. She doesn't need to win by 5.81% like Obama in 2012. If she wins it by 0.5%, it's still a win, and the only ones who might suffer in that scenario are a limited set of downballot IA Democrats that get starved of some marginal coattails.

Right!

I see a lot of comparisons in this thread to 2012.  But people seem to be forgetting that Obama won in 2012 by a fairly comfortable margin across the vast majority of battleground states.  So the fact that Hillary is even close to on par with those numbers indicates that she's better positioned than Trump in this election.

I think the concern comes from the polling so far as well, which has been far more favorable to Trump than they ever were for Romney in the state.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: fldemfunds on October 31, 2016, 06:04:05 PM

I think she'll take FL, but you're out of your mind if you think it'll be by 5. Neither the polls nor even a generous reading of the early vote sees that coming.

Polls have moe. Also I happen to think because of the party shuffling and npas, her lead is being understated in fl.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 31, 2016, 06:09:49 PM
Didn't Obama win Iowa by a fairly significant margin (like 5% or so)?  Why is there paranoia about matching his exact early vote in 2012?  

No idea. That Democrats are doing well so far in early voting is reason enough to at least not panic over Iowa. She doesn't need to win by 5.81% like Obama in 2012. If she wins it by 0.5%, it's still a win, and the only ones who might suffer in that scenario are a limited set of downballot IA Democrats that get starved of some marginal coattails.

Right!

I see a lot of comparisons in this thread to 2012.  But people seem to be forgetting that Obama won in 2012 by a fairly comfortable margin across the vast majority of battleground states.  So the fact that Hillary is even close to on par with those numbers indicates that she's better positioned than Trump in this election.

I think the concern comes from the polling so far as well, which has been far more favorable to Trump than they ever were for Romney in the state.

OK I can understand that.  But I think we should put Iowa in perspective.  That was probably one of the most likely Obama states to flip to Republicans this year.  She still has a strong firewall.  And she's even competing in some Romney states.  I don't really get the panic in this thread over a few states that aren't even necessary for her to win (like Iowa, North Carolina, etc.).  Now if someone made a credible argument that she was losing New Mexico or Michigan... then I'd probably be worried.

Oh I agree with you in general. Never during all of this has a firewall state shown any weakness. People want their big kill, and they may get it, but the firewall is, and has been, fine.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on October 31, 2016, 06:26:28 PM
Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports  18m18 minutes ago
20,500 had voted by 3 PM. Going to be relatively low turnout, but not as low as Sunday. Outside chance to get to 30,000.


Steve Schale ‏@steveschale  17m17 minutes ago Tallahassee, FL
Not biggest story in FL, but Dems cut GOP lead in #Duuuval from 1.6 to 1.5% today. Why's that important? Trump needs blow out numbers there.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: indietraveler on October 31, 2016, 06:26:40 PM
democrats received their ballots later this year in iowa. i know a few people who just received theirs within the last week and are just sending them off now. i got mine way later this year too, but i filled mine out as soon as it came.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 31, 2016, 06:32:47 PM
NEBRASKA CD-2 Early Voting:

Dave Sund ‏@davesund  17m17 minutes ago
Douglas County #NE02
Returns/Early Votes 10/31:
D 25,943 47.7%
R 19,412 35.7%
I  8,742 16.1%
Total 54,419

Matt McDermott ‏@mattmfm  2m2 minutes ago Manhattan, NY
Matt McDermott Retweeted Dave Sund
Huge difference from 2012 - when Dems had less than 300 vote edge in this swing district. Great news for Clinton in NE-02.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: OneJ on October 31, 2016, 06:34:42 PM
NEBRASKA CD-2 Early Voting:

Dave Sund ‏@davesund  17m17 minutes ago
Douglas County #NE02
Returns/Early Votes 10/31:
D 25,943 47.7%
R 19,412 35.7%
I  8,742 16.1%
Total 54,419

Matt McDermott ‏@mattmfm  2m2 minutes ago Manhattan, NY
Matt McDermott Retweeted Dave Sund
Huge difference from 2012 - when Dems had less than 300 vote edge in this swing district. Great news for Clinton in NE-02.

Wow! Big league lead!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: swf541 on October 31, 2016, 06:36:28 PM
NEBRASKA CD-2 Early Voting:

Dave Sund ‏@davesund  17m17 minutes ago
Douglas County #NE02
Returns/Early Votes 10/31:
D 25,943 47.7%
R 19,412 35.7%
I  8,742 16.1%
Total 54,419

Matt McDermott ‏@mattmfm  2m2 minutes ago Manhattan, NY
Matt McDermott Retweeted Dave Sund
Huge difference from 2012 - when Dems had less than 300 vote edge in this swing district. Great news for Clinton in NE-02.

Wow! Big league lead!

Yea, great news for Ashford as well


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 31, 2016, 06:44:31 PM
NEBRASKA CD-2 Early Voting:

Dave Sund ‏@davesund  17m17 minutes ago
Douglas County #NE02
Returns/Early Votes 10/31:
D 25,943 47.7%
R 19,412 35.7%
I  8,742 16.1%
Total 54,419

Matt McDermott ‏@mattmfm  2m2 minutes ago Manhattan, NY
Matt McDermott Retweeted Dave Sund
Huge difference from 2012 - when Dems had less than 300 vote edge in this swing district. Great news for Clinton in NE-02.

Wow! Big league lead!

Omaha electoral vote is Lean D. They only led by 200 votes in this metric in 2012 when they lost by 7 points. Now they lead by 12 with possibly a quarter of the vote already cast


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: IceSpear on October 31, 2016, 06:45:29 PM
Yeah, NE-02 is a vastly underrated D pickup opportunity. It tends to just slip under most people's radar, but it might be more likely to flip than NC at this point.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 31, 2016, 06:48:04 PM
Winning both the Omaha and Northern Maine EVs means that the Trump path of Romney + IA + OH + FL + NV + NH only gets him to 268


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 31, 2016, 06:48:59 PM
Yeah, NE-02 is a vastly underrated D pickup opportunity. It tends to just slip under most people's radar, but it might be more likely to flip than NC at this point.

It's very worth mentioning, by the way, that if she carries NE-02, ME-02, and NV, she doesn't need WI.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 31, 2016, 06:50:33 PM
Yeah, NE-02 is a vastly underrated D pickup opportunity. It tends to just slip under most people's radar, but it might be more likely to flip than NC at this point.

It's very worth mentioning, by the way, that if she carries NE-02, ME-02, and NV, she doesn't need WI.

If Clinton holds NH


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on October 31, 2016, 06:51:30 PM
NEBRASKA CD-2 Early Voting:

Dave Sund ‏@davesund  17m17 minutes ago
Douglas County #NE02
Returns/Early Votes 10/31:
D 25,943 47.7%
R 19,412 35.7%
I  8,742 16.1%
Total 54,419

Matt McDermott ‏@mattmfm  2m2 minutes ago Manhattan, NY
Matt McDermott Retweeted Dave Sund
Huge difference from 2012 - when Dems had less than 300 vote edge in this swing district. Great news for Clinton in NE-02.

Wow! Big league lead!

Omaha electoral vote is Lean D. They only led by 200 votes in this metric in 2012 when they lost by 7 points. Now they lead by 12 with possibly a quarter of the vote already cast

It should also be noted that the 2010 redistricting moved some Democratic areas into NE-01, so is a more Republican district than when Obama won NE-02 back in '08.

The main question that I have is how does it compare with EVs in NE-02 between '12 and '16 with only a week to go?

The tweet posted stated, "Dems had a <300 vote lead in this swing district" but doesn't appear to clarify if it was through all EV or compared to the same time point prior to ED.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 31, 2016, 06:51:48 PM
Yeah, NE-02 is a vastly underrated D pickup opportunity. It tends to just slip under most people's radar, but it might be more likely to flip than NC at this point.

It's very worth mentioning, by the way, that if she carries NE-02, ME-02, and NV, she doesn't need WI.

If Clinton holds NH

Yes, but I guess I'm not really considering that a swing state right now.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on October 31, 2016, 06:53:03 PM
Yeah, NE-02 is a vastly underrated D pickup opportunity. It tends to just slip under most people's radar, but it might be more likely to flip than NC at this point.

It's very worth mentioning, by the way, that if she carries NE-02, ME-02, and NV, she doesn't need WI.

If Clinton holds NH

Yes, but I guess I'm not really considering that a swing state right now.

If Clinton carries ME-02, she's very likely to also carry NH.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 31, 2016, 06:56:08 PM
The main question that I have is how does it compare with EVs in NE-02 between '12 and '16 with only a week to go?

The tweet posted stated, "Dems had a <300 vote lead in this swing district" but doesn't appear to clarify if it was through all EV or compared to the same time point prior to ED.

Looks like it was comparing to same point in time:

Dave Sund ‏@davesund  34m34 minutes ago
vs. 8 days out in 2012:
D 20,687 +25.4%
R 20,388 -4.8%
I 7,198 +21.5%
Total 48,425 +12.4%


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Panda Express on October 31, 2016, 06:56:18 PM
Colorado Daily Update


With about 1/3 of total expected ballots submitted, Dems have increased their ballots submitted from 2014 by about 100,000.


9 days to Election Day 2016 v 2014. (2014 in parenthesis)

Democrats  331,153 (213,975)
Republicans  300,275 (282,317)
Independent 223,540 (156,893)

TOTAL 866,668 (660,113)

Dem turnout up 55%
Rethuglican turnout up 6%
Independent turnout up 42%

Total turnout up 31%



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 31, 2016, 06:57:13 PM
If Dems are still easily outpacing Reps in CO against the very R-friendly 2014 #s, CO is in the bag.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: IceSpear on October 31, 2016, 07:02:47 PM
It's getting really hard to see a path for Trump in CO/NV.  He's going to need to break through in PA or WI, as expected.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on October 31, 2016, 07:12:12 PM
It's getting really hard to see a path for Trump in CO/NV.  He's going to need to break through in PA or WI, as expected.

But is it some evidence that EV is so predictive and better than polls?

For example Obama won Nevada by 12% and 6% in 2008 and 2012, respectively. Was his EV margin in 2008 much better than in 2012? Specially, EV at the middle/start of the campaign (there are still 7 days to go).


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 31, 2016, 07:14:08 PM
This is a good question, but I think for a lot of states, huge swings in demos, ideologies, and actual voting laws makes that quite difficult. Only one I feel good talking about is NV. Ralston has been the beatman there for ages and feels very confident given that he's seeing the same numbers as in '12. CO, for the reasons I just mentioned above, also looks pretty darn good for Clinton. For the others, the water is really pretty murky, all told.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 31, 2016, 07:15:27 PM
R's did close the gap in CO a bit today, though. (but all ballots may not be in yet)

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@ElectProject  now3 seconds ago

Good news for Reps is that they whittle away at Dem lead. Was +30,878 this afternoon, +26,664 this evening. Need a lot more of this
Quote
@ElectProject  20s21 seconds ago

Have to be a little cautious on report timing since large counties may not have completed processing ballots for the day


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 31, 2016, 07:19:19 PM
R's did close the gap in CO a bit today, though. (but all ballots may not be in yet)

Quote
@ElectProject  now3 seconds ago

Good news for Reps is that they whittle away at Dem lead. Was +30,878 this afternoon, +26,664 this evening. Need a lot more of this
Quote
@ElectProject  20s21 seconds ago

Have to be a little cautious on report timing since large counties may not have completed processing ballots for the day

Exactly


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 31, 2016, 07:20:13 PM
We've crossed 24 million votes cast!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 31, 2016, 07:27:37 PM
reps are expected to close the gap...if they cant do it, they are dead.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on October 31, 2016, 08:01:12 PM
The main question that I have is how does it compare with EVs in NE-02 between '12 and '16 with only a week to go?

The tweet posted stated, "Dems had a <300 vote lead in this swing district" but doesn't appear to clarify if it was through all EV or compared to the same time point prior to ED.

Looks like it was comparing to same point in time:

Dave Sund ‏@davesund  34m34 minutes ago
vs. 8 days out in 2012:
D 20,687 +25.4%
R 20,388 -4.8%
I 7,198 +21.5%
Total 48,425 +12.4%

Thanks Ozymandias for the digging!

The logical follow-up would be how many Dem/Rep/Ind ballots received vs registered numbers?

Second question would be how does 2012 vs 2016 Party Reg look in NE-02?

Third question would be, how does Latino registration turnout look like in a CD that is 6% Latino, some  of whom work in the formerly union meat-packing plants in Metro Omaha?

This CD is a bit more obscure than most others, while at the same time potentially playing a role in national Pres elections, just like Maine, by dint of a potential one EV for either party candidate, regardless of statewide.

Let's see what the great city of Omaha does, home to the College World Series of Baseball, does in November in an official "All American City".

We're all curious on this one, but gets less attention than Maine-02 for an odd reason this year on Atlas.... :)





Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Storebought on October 31, 2016, 08:05:03 PM
Naive question: What (D/R) breakdown can we expect for the ballots sent from Independents


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: JerryArkansas on October 31, 2016, 08:08:50 PM
Naive question: What (D/R) breakdown can we expect for the ballots sent from Independents
Depends on the State and even then by the age breakdown as well.  Florida is perfect example of this.  Older votes who tend to be white in the NPA are more likely to vote Republican, while younger and POC people are much more likely to vote Democratic.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 31, 2016, 08:54:52 PM
good day for republicans in washoe....won the day by 300 votes. :)


https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/793265069756813312?lang=de


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 31, 2016, 08:57:07 PM
Thanks for posting that, I must have forgotten to in the midst of the last few hours. Their good days can keep looking that way, as far as I'm concerned. Very interested to see what Clark looks like; we've got to be knocking on that Clark 50k firewall after today.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 31, 2016, 08:57:32 PM
Thanks for posting that, I must have forgotten to in the midst of the last few hours. Their good days can keep looking that way, as far as I'm concerned. Very interested to see what Clark looks like; we've got to be knocking on that Clark 50k firewall after today.

Any updates on the full returns from CO?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 31, 2016, 08:59:08 PM
OK, I know I'll get blasted again for being a killjoy and everything, but... from the NC and FL results, doesn't it look like SttP was a massive flop? African-Americans were supposed to narrow their turnout deficit at least a bit, right? Instead the latest numbers I've seen show them still way down.

If this is wrong please explain me why, but for God's sake cut it with the unbacked "everything will be fine" mantra.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on October 31, 2016, 09:04:19 PM
Any updates on the full returns from CO?

Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  2h2 hours ago
CO #earlyvote evening update (courtesy #APElecRsch): Over 1 million voted, Dems +2.5 points over Reps


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 31, 2016, 09:05:47 PM
Thanks for posting that, I must have forgotten to in the midst of the last few hours. Their good days can keep looking that way, as far as I'm concerned. Very interested to see what Clark looks like; we've got to be knocking on that Clark 50k firewall after today.

Any updates on the full returns from CO?

Not yet, though Michael said he was going on the air for a bit this evening, so he may get final info late. Problem with CO is that he gets his state info from AP, which makes it way harder to find any useful numbers and crunch them yourself (if I understand correctly; I'm still really new to sniffing this stuff out).


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 31, 2016, 09:18:26 PM

Thanks for posting that, I must have forgotten to in the midst of the last few hours. Their good days can keep looking that way, as far as I'm concerned. Very interested to see what Clark looks like; we've got to be knocking on that Clark 50k firewall after today.

Hopefully Clark comes in big for the democrats later.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 31, 2016, 09:56:24 PM
Wisconsin early vote stats, 10/31

Approximately 465K ballots have been cast in Wisconsin

Dane and Milwaukee Counties now make up 30.4% of the overall vote. They were 26% of the statewide vote in 2012 (Dane County has a crazy turnout right now)

Waukesha, Ozaukee and Washington Counties now make up 16% of the overall vote. They were 12.3% of the overall statewide vote. It appears as if both major bases are overperforming, but Dane + Milwaukee is overperforming a little more than the WOW counties. If Dane + Milwaukee make up 30% or more of the statewide vote, Wisconsin will be an easy Hillary win


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 31, 2016, 09:57:53 PM
Wisconsin early vote stats, 10/31

Approximately 465K ballots have been cast in Wisconsin

Dane and Milwaukee Counties now make up 30.4% of the overall vote. They were 26% of the statewide vote in 2012 (Dane County has a crazy turnout right now)

Waukesha, Ozaukee and Washington Counties now make up 16% of the overall vote. They were 12.3% of the overall statewide vote. It appears as if both major bases are overperforming, but Dane + Milwaukee is overperforming a little more than the WOW counties. If Dane + Milwaukee make up 30% or more of the statewide vote, Wisconsin will be an easy Hillary win

Safe D. Hillary signs everywhere and the anti-Trump sentiment is a strong driver alongside the fact that we want Feingold back!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Minnesota Mike on October 31, 2016, 09:58:14 PM
In Miami-Dade county Early/Absentee voting has nearly equaled the total Early/Absentee vote in 2012 with a week yet to go..

https://twitter.com/MDCElections?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


Vote by Mail:

2012: 244K
2016: 222K

In Person Early

2012: 235K
2016: 239K





Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on October 31, 2016, 10:05:46 PM
In Miami-Dade county Early/Absentee voting has nearly equaled the total Early/Absentee vote in 2012 with a week yet to go..

https://twitter.com/MDCElections?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


Vote by Mail:

2012: 244K
2016: 222K

In Person Early

2012: 235K
2016: 239K





Yes, Steve Schale just tweeted that Palm Beach, Broward and Dade surpassed the 1 million mark in VBM and EIP today. Big numbers. Also, Hispanics make up 13.5%, so far, of all early votes. That's another good number for Clinton.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Xing on October 31, 2016, 10:08:03 PM
Is high turnout in the WOW counties really good news for Trump? My impression was that he's relatively weak for a Republican in those counties, and that he would be stronger in the more rural NW parts of the state and in Green Bay.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 31, 2016, 10:08:38 PM
OK, I know I'll get blasted again for being a killjoy and everything, but... from the NC and FL results, doesn't it look like SttP was a massive flop? African-Americans were supposed to narrow their turnout deficit at least a bit, right? Instead the latest numbers I've seen show them still way down.

If this is wrong please explain me why, but for God's sake cut it with the unbacked "everything will be fine" mantra.

No one's taking this up? Uh-oh.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 31, 2016, 10:08:48 PM
Is high turnout in the WOW counties really good news for Trump? My impression was that he's relatively weak for a Republican in those counties, and that he would be stronger in the more rural NW parts of the state and in Green Bay.
This could be the case.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 31, 2016, 10:10:50 PM
Is high turnout in the WOW counties really good news for Trump? My impression was that he's relatively weak for a Republican in those counties, and that he would be stronger in the more rural NW parts of the state and in Green Bay.

It's good news for Johnson against Feingold though. That being said we know for sure that high turnout in Milwaukee and Madison is good for HRC


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Minnesota Mike on October 31, 2016, 10:11:12 PM
In Miami-Dade county Early/Absentee voting has nearly equaled the total Early/Absentee vote in 2012 with a week yet to go..

https://twitter.com/MDCElections?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


Vote by Mail:

2012: 244K
2016: 222K

In Person Early

2012: 235K
2016: 239K





Yes, Steve Schale just tweeted that Palm Beach, Broward and Dade surpassed the 1 million mark in VBM and EIP today. Big numbers. Also, Hispanics make up 13.5%, so far, of all early votes. That's another good number for Clinton.

I think we are looking at 6+ mill Early/VBM ballots in Florida (about 4 mill now) out of an estimated total turnout of a little over 9 mill.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: henster on October 31, 2016, 10:11:29 PM
I can't see how anyone spins this, very ugly #'s in FL.

https://twitter.com/electionsmith/status/793278422415872000


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Minnesota Mike on October 31, 2016, 10:13:35 PM
OK, I know I'll get blasted again for being a killjoy and everything, but... from the NC and FL results, doesn't it look like SttP was a massive flop? African-Americans were supposed to narrow their turnout deficit at least a bit, right? Instead the latest numbers I've seen show them still way down.

If this is wrong please explain me why, but for God's sake cut it with the unbacked "everything will be fine" mantra.


No one's taking this up? Uh-oh.

I believe the big STTP push in Florida is next Sunday.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 31, 2016, 10:13:50 PM
I can't see how anyone spins this, very ugly #'s in FL.

https://twitter.com/electionsmith/status/793278422415872000

VBM looks really good, but the early vote not so much. We'll see what happens.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: henster on October 31, 2016, 10:16:19 PM
She is going to have really kill it with Hispanics like 70-75, she is clearly doing worse with whites across all polls in FL. Drop in black turnout leaves no room for error.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Xing on October 31, 2016, 10:17:33 PM
OK, I know I'll get blasted again for being a killjoy and everything, but... from the NC and FL results, doesn't it look like SttP was a massive flop? African-Americans were supposed to narrow their turnout deficit at least a bit, right? Instead the latest numbers I've seen show them still way down.

If this is wrong please explain me why, but for God's sake cut it with the unbacked "everything will be fine" mantra.

No one's taking this up? Uh-oh.

I haven't seen the latest NC/FL numbers, but if it was a flop, then that's definitely bad new for those two states. There's still time, though, and even if low black turnout does sink Hillary in NC/FL (I doubt that this will actually happen), that's not going to be enough for Trump to win. NV, CO, and WI all look great for Hillary right now, meaning that unless Trump wins PA, he's not going to win.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 31, 2016, 10:17:55 PM
Yeah, the swing in the white vote would have to be heavy for those to look very good. OTOH, that doesn't mesh well with the recent polling the state. Hard to say what that means right now. Like NC especially, a very muddy mess right now, and it may not actually clear much before Election Day.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 31, 2016, 10:18:27 PM
henster's concern trolling is entering new territory. Go away troll.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 31, 2016, 10:23:31 PM
I don't know what you guys don't get about the fact that Democrats vote later than Republicans. The numbers in North Carolina and Florida do not look bad (quite the opposite) and Clinton isn't reliant on record African American turnout because she is doing better among both white and Latino voters in both states.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 31, 2016, 10:26:14 PM
some parts of dem coalition vote early-early anfd some late-early...as strange as it sounds.

but yeah....especially young voters ...aaaaaaaad...as schale stated several times,  there are big amounts of requested but unfilled absentee mails laying around.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 31, 2016, 10:26:31 PM
I don't know what you guys don't get about the fact that Democrats vote later than Republicans. The numbers in North Carolina and Florida do not look bad (quite the opposite) and Clinton isn't reliant on record African American turnout because she is doing better among both white and Latino voters in both states.

On the whole, I agree with you. The point that asmith's chart brings up is that, with the same amount of time to Election Day, the demos are worse looking (more whites, less blacks, not enough Latinx to make up the difference). There may be built in logical fallacies for comparing by "x days out", but if there aren't, they are a bit weak. That said, party numbers and polls have been good, so maybe white vote is going the way we want.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 31, 2016, 10:27:28 PM
I don't know what you guys don't get about the fact that Democrats vote later than Republicans. The numbers in North Carolina and Florida do not look bad (quite the opposite) and Clinton isn't reliant on record African American turnout because she is doing better among both white and Latino voters in both states.

We're talking about a 10-point drop here. I'm OK with not having "record African-American turnout", but this looks like we're going back to the 90s.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on October 31, 2016, 10:28:14 PM
I can't see how anyone spins this, very ugly #'s in FL.

https://twitter.com/electionsmith/status/793278422415872000

At this point 4 years ago in Florida, it had two weekends of early vote and STTP. This year it's been only one so far.

Also, look at where the early vote is coming from and the partisan breakdown.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 31, 2016, 10:28:51 PM
I don't know what you guys don't get about the fact that Democrats vote later than Republicans. The numbers in North Carolina and Florida do not look bad (quite the opposite) and Clinton isn't reliant on record African American turnout because she is doing better among both white and Latino voters in both states.

We're talking about a 10-point drop here. I'm OK with not having "record African-American turnout", but this looks like we're going back to the 90s.

Stop panicking. Let's talk again next Monday, okay? I understand your concern, but let's be patient. :)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 31, 2016, 10:29:13 PM
I can't see how anyone spins this, very ugly #'s in FL.

https://twitter.com/electionsmith/status/793278422415872000

At this point 4 years ago Florida, had two weekends of early vote and STTP. This year it's been only one so far.

Aha, there's the fallacy I was looking for. So we just need to keep an eye on the numbers day to day, then, see if the numbers get restored by ED. Thanks!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 31, 2016, 10:30:00 PM
I don't know what you guys don't get about the fact that Democrats vote later than Republicans. The numbers in North Carolina and Florida do not look bad (quite the opposite) and Clinton isn't reliant on record African American turnout because she is doing better among both white and Latino voters in both states.

On the whole, I agree with you. The point that asmith's chart brings up is that, with the same amount of time to Election Day, the demos are worse looking (more whites, less blacks, not enough Latinx to make up the difference). There may be built in logical fallacies for comparing by "x days out", but if there aren't, they are a bit weak. That said, party numbers and polls have been good, so maybe white vote is going the way we want.
There are no working class white Democrats in Florida and North Carolina for Clinton to lose, so she is going to be gaining considerably with white college educated voters, especially women, in the suburbs of both states with little to no downside. Also, turnout is extremely high in the Latino portions of Southern Florida, leading me to believe that the unthinkable will happen again and Miami-Dade County will further swing towards Democrats.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 31, 2016, 10:31:31 PM
I don't know what you guys don't get about the fact that Democrats vote later than Republicans. The numbers in North Carolina and Florida do not look bad (quite the opposite) and Clinton isn't reliant on record African American turnout because she is doing better among both white and Latino voters in both states.

We're talking about a 10-point drop here. I'm OK with not having "record African-American turnout", but this looks like we're going back to the 90s.
I can guarantee that there isn't going to be a 40% drop in African American turnout if that is what you are wondering lol.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 31, 2016, 10:31:37 PM
I don't know what you guys don't get about the fact that Democrats vote later than Republicans. The numbers in North Carolina and Florida do not look bad (quite the opposite) and Clinton isn't reliant on record African American turnout because she is doing better among both white and Latino voters in both states.

On the whole, I agree with you. The point that asmith's chart brings up is that, with the same amount of time to Election Day, the demos are worse looking (more whites, less blacks, not enough Latinx to make up the difference). There may be built in logical fallacies for comparing by "x days out", but if there aren't, they are a bit weak. That said, party numbers and polls have been good, so maybe white vote is going the way we want.
There are no working class white Democrats in Florida and North Carolina for Clinton to lose, so she is going to be gaining considerably with white college educated voters, especially women, in the suburbs of both states with little to no downside. Also, turnout is extremely high in the Latino portions of Southern Florida, leading me to believe that the unthinkable will happen again and Miami-Dade County will further swing towards Democrats.

All may very well be right. Thanks for the insight! As easy as it is to be impatient this close to ED, just gotta wait and see, day to day.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on October 31, 2016, 10:31:39 PM
I can't see how anyone spins this, very ugly #'s in FL.

https://twitter.com/electionsmith/status/793278422415872000

At this point 4 years ago Florida, had two weekends of early vote and STTP. This year it's been only one so far.

Aha, there's the fallacy I was looking for. So we just need to keep an eye on the numbers day to day, then, see if the numbers get restored by ED. Thanks!

And as Steve Schale reminds everyone, the Hispanic number is usually underrepresented since there are a portion of Latino's who self-ID as white. Also look at the no affiliation numbers...off the charts so far. Further, Dems are recruiting more unlikely voters than Reps are...it looks close but I think the demographics favor Clinton.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on October 31, 2016, 10:32:11 PM
2,237,972 voters cast ballots in the three South FL counties in 2012. So Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach are around 44.6% of their overall 2012 turnout. They are 26% of the statewide turnout now and were 26.4% of the statewide vote in 2012. So those counties are fractionally lagging 2012. I agree that the demographic breakdown is a concern but the actual number of votes from those three counties is tracking 2012. It looks to me as if a big push in Broward will lock the state down for her


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 31, 2016, 10:32:36 PM
I don't know what you guys don't get about the fact that Democrats vote later than Republicans. The numbers in North Carolina and Florida do not look bad (quite the opposite) and Clinton isn't reliant on record African American turnout because she is doing better among both white and Latino voters in both states.

We're talking about a 10-point drop here. I'm OK with not having "record African-American turnout", but this looks like we're going back to the 90s.
I can guarantee that there isn't going to be a 40% drop in African American turnout if that is what you are wondering lol.

I hope you're right. I wish I could feel so confident.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 31, 2016, 10:33:24 PM
40% drop...don't be ridicolous.

10-15% sounds more likely.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 31, 2016, 10:34:47 PM
This has been the best thread on this subforum all election. I'm having a ton of fun sifting through all the numbers with y'all without (too much of) the craziness from elsewhere. :) Let's go out with a bang, eh? Don't get to do this again for a while.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 31, 2016, 10:35:21 PM
This has been the best thread on this subforum all election. I'm having a ton of fun sifting through all the numbers with y'all without (too much of) the craziness from elsewhere. :) Let's go out with a bang, eh? Don't get to do this again for a while.

Yea, I agree wholeheartedly. I always look forward to posts here.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on October 31, 2016, 10:36:24 PM
40% drop...don't be ridicolous.

10-15% sounds more likely.
Probably a fraction of that, maybe to the tune of 2 points nationally (66=>64). The national polls (which, you know, try to be accurate) are not showing the electorate as if it is going to be 10 points whiter than 2012. Also, every national poll has Clinton doing considerably better with whites than Obama did against Romney, so there doesn't seem to be a point to freaking out about this.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 31, 2016, 10:36:28 PM
This has been the best thread on this subforum all election. I'm having a ton of fun sifting through all the numbers with y'all without (too much of) the craziness from elsewhere. :) Let's go out with a bang, eh? Don't get to do this again for a while.

Yea, I agree wholeheartedly. I always look forward to posts here.

So do I, FWIW.

I'm not trying to scaremonger, I just want to be reassured. :)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Smash255 on October 31, 2016, 10:40:25 PM
IIRC early voting was NOT available in any Florida counties on the Sunday before Election Day in 2012, this year it isn't available in the entire state, but is in pretty much all the heavily populated counties


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on October 31, 2016, 10:42:14 PM
This has been the best thread on this subforum all election. I'm having a ton of fun sifting through all the numbers with y'all without (too much of) the craziness from elsewhere. :) Let's go out with a bang, eh? Don't get to do this again for a while.

I know, me too. This is the best thread on the forum page :-)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 31, 2016, 10:43:19 PM
btw...regarding the graphics posted above...

30% of those EV hispanics are...first time voters.

make your own assumptions.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: swf541 on October 31, 2016, 10:44:42 PM
This has been the best thread on this subforum all election. I'm having a ton of fun sifting through all the numbers with y'all without (too much of) the craziness from elsewhere. :) Let's go out with a bang, eh? Don't get to do this again for a while.

I've been really enjoying the relative sanity of this thread (plus all the numbers)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: StatesPoll on October 31, 2016, 10:45:31 PM
I can't see how anyone spins this, very ugly #'s in FL.

https://twitter.com/electionsmith/status/793278422415872000

VBM looks really good, but the early vote not so much. We'll see what happens.

wrong.
Florida's Early Voting


1) VBM - GOP is doing slightly better than 2012.
2) in person - Dem is doing a lots worse than 2012
VBM volumes are so massive in 2016.
so it should be compare with 2012 final results. not with 10/30/2012 results.

2012 FL's Early Voting Final results
1) VBM - R +3%   2) In Person - D +10%

10/31/2016, FL's Early Voting
1) VBM - R +3.26%  2) In Person - D + 3.12%

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/republican-lead-two-early-voting-states-will-be-tested-n671396

https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats   


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: StatesPoll on October 31, 2016, 10:47:27 PM
http://www.electproject.org/early_2016

NC's Early Voting 10/31/2016  vs  2012

Black voter
1) 2012: 29%   ->  2) 2016: 22.5%

decreased by -22.41%

Seriously Red Avatars think, Hillary gonna win with 22.41% less black voters than 2012?

;)

NC/FL - Safe TRUMP


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 31, 2016, 10:50:55 PM
btw...regarding the graphics posted above...

30% of those EV hispanics are...first time voters.

make your own assumptions.

That's an important note.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 31, 2016, 10:57:24 PM
btw...regarding the graphics posted above...

30% of those EV hispanics are...first time voters.

make your own assumptions.

That's an important note.

It is, considering many of these voters are registered as unaffiliated


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Badger on October 31, 2016, 11:17:59 PM
Yes, Hispanics will turn out in DROVES to vote for Hillary CLinton because they see her as so much more favorable that President Obama.

For the argument "well they will because they hate Trump and all the things he said". During a 2012 debate Mitt Romney said he was going to deporte hispanics and make things to the point where they want to self-deporte. He got what, 27% of the Hispanic vote? Yes, them and AA are much more enthusiastic to vote for Hillary than Obama. Really? Okay we will see soon enough..

Can we clear up that almost no one here is saying Clinton will win Texas. 90+% of the most diehard red avatars are simply excited it'll actually be close this year, and maybe this'll be the start of TX being competitive in another 4-6 years (which fwiw I personally doubt, believing TX will revert largely to the norm without Trump and demographics will need over a decade to give Democrats a shot).

The point is your posts are currently far more annoying than illuminating. Perhaps you ought to at least forgo attacking strawmen?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Badger on October 31, 2016, 11:20:32 PM
So NC went R in 2012 and the AA vote is down right now by 18% yet you all are saying NC looks great for HRC right now? Obama lost in 2012 by 1-2% and the AA vote was 18% higher at this time last year no matter the reason for the lower turnout, yet NC again looks so good for her? Please explain.

College-educated white voters swinging wildly to Dems.

How could you possibly know the above to be true?
The polls, all of them.

Ohhh the "polls" are, you mean the polls for example showing CLinton a week ago up 15% in a 4 way national race which is basically mathematically impossible? Or do you mean ALL of the polls showing Clinton up 20-35% in the Michigan Primary all the way up until the night before the primary, when she lost by 1-2 % to Sanders in the State. OVER a 20% swing of "all of the polls were showing". Those polls are what you guys are going off of, okay than.

Thought we had actual data showing who voted for who with all of the celebrating, lol. Was wondering if they were giving that info out on a daily basis, i didn't think they were but wasn't sure.

If you are going to place your hopes on all the polls having been off for the MI Democratic primary over 6 months ago, but ignore that Trump lost hard among late deciding voters in damn near every state outside NH and IN (maybe NV?), you are going to have a tough night next Tuesday.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 31, 2016, 11:22:27 PM
If you are going to place your hopes on all the polls having been off for the MI Democratic primary over 6 months ago, but ignore that Trump lost hard among late deciding voters in damn near every state outside NH and IN (maybe NV?), you are going to have a tough night next Tuesday.

And in fact, if Trump bit it hard with late deciders in a GOP primary, why would he do better with late-deciders among the general electorate?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Badger on October 31, 2016, 11:30:22 PM
Didn't Obama win Iowa by a fairly significant margin (like 5% or so)?  Why is there paranoia about matching his exact early vote in 2012?  

No idea. That Democrats are doing well so far in early voting is reason enough to at least not panic over Iowa. She doesn't need to win by 5.81% like Obama in 2012. If she wins it by 0.5%, it's still a win, and the only ones who might suffer in that scenario are a limited set of downballot IA Democrats that get starved of some marginal coattails.

Right!

I see a lot of comparisons in this thread to 2012.  But people seem to be forgetting that Obama won in 2012 by a fairly comfortable margin across the vast majority of battleground states.  So the fact that Hillary is even close to on par with those numbers indicates that she's better positioned than Trump in this election.

I think the concern comes from the polling so far as well, which has been far more favorable to Trump than they ever were for Romney in the state.

Can I mention that while the overall Democratic EV numerical lead in IA is lagging behind 2012, isn't theirpercentage lead nearly on par with 2012?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: henster on October 31, 2016, 11:35:10 PM
A lot of people dismissed the massive drop in black turnout in the Dem primary but it looks like its not a fluke.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Badger on October 31, 2016, 11:36:34 PM
A lot of people dismissed the massive drop in black turnout in the Dem primary but it looks like its not a fluke.

True.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 31, 2016, 11:38:04 PM
Didn't Obama win Iowa by a fairly significant margin (like 5% or so)?  Why is there paranoia about matching his exact early vote in 2012?  

No idea. That Democrats are doing well so far in early voting is reason enough to at least not panic over Iowa. She doesn't need to win by 5.81% like Obama in 2012. If she wins it by 0.5%, it's still a win, and the only ones who might suffer in that scenario are a limited set of downballot IA Democrats that get starved of some marginal coattails.

Right!

I see a lot of comparisons in this thread to 2012.  But people seem to be forgetting that Obama won in 2012 by a fairly comfortable margin across the vast majority of battleground states.  So the fact that Hillary is even close to on par with those numbers indicates that she's better positioned than Trump in this election.

I think the concern comes from the polling so far as well, which has been far more favorable to Trump than they ever were for Romney in the state.

Can I mention that while the overall Democratic EV numerical lead in IA is lagging behind 2012, isn't theirpercentage lead nearly on par with 2012?

I actually didn't know that. Thanks! But if total votes are up, and numerical lead is down, how is % lead on par? Maybe I'm misunderstanding. At any rate, if it ends up close in early vote, the point is taken that Obama's +5 cushion is comfy feeling.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on October 31, 2016, 11:38:13 PM
A lot of people dismissed the massive drop in black turnout in the Dem primary but it looks like its not a fluke.

We have the most racist presidential candidate since wallance of 68 and yet they don't come out??? Boggles the mind.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: IceSpear on October 31, 2016, 11:38:28 PM
A lot of people dismissed the massive drop in black turnout in the Dem primary but it looks like its not a fluke.

Like how you dismissed Hillary's lead in the PA poll but celebrated McGinty's lead in the same poll? I guess we all have our blind spots...


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 31, 2016, 11:43:14 PM
We have the most racist presidential candidate since wallance of 68 and yet they don't come out??? Boggles the mind.

i would love to hear more about the details.

- first: the black output 2012 was unbelievable and above all expectations.....not realistic to be repeated each time, especially without obama,

- second: which black americans are not voting or less inclined to vote? if i need to guess, i would say millenials and bernie-fans.

- third: is there really a numerical drop-off of black voters or just a massive surge of everybody else?



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: henster on October 31, 2016, 11:44:16 PM
A lot of people dismissed the massive drop in black turnout in the Dem primary but it looks like its not a fluke.

Like how you dismissed Hillary's lead in the PA poll but celebrated McGinty's lead in the same poll? I guess we all have our blind spots...

Look I am fine with HC win as long as we get Senate and flip SCOTUS and I will continue to believe we could've done better with another nominee. We could've flipped the House with Biden.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Badger on October 31, 2016, 11:47:16 PM
Didn't Obama win Iowa by a fairly significant margin (like 5% or so)?  Why is there paranoia about matching his exact early vote in 2012?  

No idea. That Democrats are doing well so far in early voting is reason enough to at least not panic over Iowa. She doesn't need to win by 5.81% like Obama in 2012. If she wins it by 0.5%, it's still a win, and the only ones who might suffer in that scenario are a limited set of downballot IA Democrats that get starved of some marginal coattails.

Right!

I see a lot of comparisons in this thread to 2012.  But people seem to be forgetting that Obama won in 2012 by a fairly comfortable margin across the vast majority of battleground states.  So the fact that Hillary is even close to on par with those numbers indicates that she's better positioned than Trump in this election.

I think the concern comes from the polling so far as well, which has been far more favorable to Trump than they ever were for Romney in the state.

Can I mention that while the overall Democratic EV numerical lead in IA is lagging behind 2012, isn't theirpercentage lead nearly on par with 2012?

I actually didn't know that. Thanks! But if total votes are up, and numerical lead is down, how is % lead on par? Maybe I'm misunderstanding. At any rate, if it ends up close in early vote, the point is taken that Obama's +5 cushion is comfy feeling.

Look at the graphs. The raw EV numbers in IA are lagging 2012. Democrats are still behind %-wise from this point in 2012, but only nominally.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 31, 2016, 11:48:37 PM
Didn't Obama win Iowa by a fairly significant margin (like 5% or so)?  Why is there paranoia about matching his exact early vote in 2012?  

No idea. That Democrats are doing well so far in early voting is reason enough to at least not panic over Iowa. She doesn't need to win by 5.81% like Obama in 2012. If she wins it by 0.5%, it's still a win, and the only ones who might suffer in that scenario are a limited set of downballot IA Democrats that get starved of some marginal coattails.

Right!

I see a lot of comparisons in this thread to 2012.  But people seem to be forgetting that Obama won in 2012 by a fairly comfortable margin across the vast majority of battleground states.  So the fact that Hillary is even close to on par with those numbers indicates that she's better positioned than Trump in this election.

I think the concern comes from the polling so far as well, which has been far more favorable to Trump than they ever were for Romney in the state.

Can I mention that while the overall Democratic EV numerical lead in IA is lagging behind 2012, isn't theirpercentage lead nearly on par with 2012?

I actually didn't know that. Thanks! But if total votes are up, and numerical lead is down, how is % lead on par? Maybe I'm misunderstanding. At any rate, if it ends up close in early vote, the point is taken that Obama's +5 cushion is comfy feeling.

Look at the graphs. The raw EV numbers in IA are lagging 2012. Democrats are still behind %-wise from this point in 2012, but only nominally.

Wow, so I just hard mis-read/mis-remembered the current turnout in IA. Makes sense now, thanks! Starting to feel a little more confident about IA, despite the muddy polling.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on November 01, 2016, 12:00:52 AM
re lower black turnout... perhaps the republican strategy of voter suppression finally is working... didn't they close a bunch of early voting places in states like North Carolina, etc.?

They did, but AA numbers really are down across the board, so it's more than that. Mix of that stuff, Obama off ticket, general disillusionment perhaps, some unknown unknowns, etc.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: henster on November 01, 2016, 12:02:13 AM
Really feel like she should've went for a black VP, Deval Patrick, Anthony Foxx, Cory Booker to name a few. Kaine is not doing anything for her and I do think she'd carry VA easily with or without him, definitely a missed opportunity.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on November 01, 2016, 12:06:57 AM
AA numbers are down across the board but as i have read in the twitter accounts of one of the math people (schale/ralston/macdonald/elecsmith/cohn/silver/enten) today, it is down especiaaaaaaally in the places with restricted EV laws.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Virginiá on November 01, 2016, 12:08:48 AM
re lower black turnout... perhaps the republican strategy of voter suppression finally is working... didn't they close a bunch of early voting places in states like North Carolina, etc.?

As per that insightus link, it's still down somewhat in counties whose early voting options were not savagely cut. Off the top of my head, counties unaffected by either saw roughly 10% drop (100%=> 90%~) and counties affected by EV cuts and/or hurricane saw 100% => 72%~.

Seems to be a correction from the high AA enthusiasm behind Obama. I'd imagine a fair amount of that is coming from a drop in Millennial turnout.

Either way, it's highly unlikely we end up seeing some massive drop in national AA turnout. 66% -> 64% seems likely, as said above. Even more drastic, maybe 66% -> 62%. I don't feel comfortably speculating lower than that. Attributing all post-2004 black turnout increases to Obama is too simplistic thinking, since it was trending upwards since the 90s, and it also ignores the fact that people who vote tend to have a better chance of voting again, increasing the more they vote.

The only way I can see such a massive implosion of AA turnout is if there is a general implosion of turnout among all demographics. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense for it to go below 60% (pre-Obama) while other demographics maintain turnout, or even increase.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Sbane on November 01, 2016, 12:15:12 AM
Yes, Hispanics will turn out in DROVES to vote for Hillary CLinton because they see her as so much more favorable that President Obama.

For the argument "well they will because they hate Trump and all the things he said". During a 2012 debate Mitt Romeny said he was going to deporate hispanics and make things to the point where they want to self-deporte. He got what, 27% of the Hispanic vote? Yes, them and AA are much more enthusiastic to vote for Hillary than Obama. Really? Okay we will see soon enough..

Oh, we will. Romney might have said deport, but he was a tempered candidate with experience and nuance. HE didn't start the campaign saying Mexicans are rapists and murderers nor did he base it on that.

The false equivalence of Romney = Trump to Hispanics is insulting. Romney is a saint compared to Trump.

hahaha only in this dreamland called the atlas forum. We will find out in basically a week.

Talk to actual Hispanics and get back to me.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: henster on November 01, 2016, 12:20:32 AM
SEPTA now on strike could pose problems on ED in PA if people can't get to polls. Incredibly reckless on unions part a lot of them are so shortsighted when it comes to things like this.

https://twitter.com/pkcapitol/status/792730396882571265


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on November 01, 2016, 12:24:21 AM
SEPTA now on strike could pose problems on ED in PA if people can't get to polls. Incredibly reckless on unions part a lot of them are so shortsighted when it comes to things like this.

https://twitter.com/pkcapitol/status/792730396882571265

Would be shocked if an agreement of some sort isn't reached. If I trust in anything in this world, it's the deep connection between PA Dem pols and the big PA unions. They'll get done what's necessary.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on November 01, 2016, 12:25:51 AM
this must be a threat....otherwise, i wish them good luck with their new republican overlords.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: henster on November 01, 2016, 12:27:29 AM
this must be a threat....otherwise, i wish them good luck with their new republican overlords.

They are definitely playing hardball, and I hear this is mainly about bathroom breaks?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on November 01, 2016, 12:35:45 AM
Meanwhile in the Safe Democratic State of Oregon...

Almost 21% of registered voters have cast ballots as of 10/31/16.

Numbers from "Safe D" and "Safe R" counties are starting to stabilize.

Although ballot returns from Multnomah are now slightly below statewide averages, Washington and Clackamas have picked up significantly.

Additionally, Lane and Benton county. with large college communities are picking up steam and outpacing statewide averages.

In metro PDX. although Republicans appear to be holding steady, EV numbers are strongly outpacing their RV numbers, in a region where Indies vote late and tend to skew heavilt Dem:

Multnomah: EV (69-16-15) D-R-I   RV (59-14-27)
Clackamas: EV (51-34-14) D-R-I   RV (40-33-27)
Washington: EV (50-38-12) D-R-I   RV (42-28-30)


Additionally--- if we roll down to the Central Willamette Valley,

Democrats are actually leading in Polk, Yamhill, and Marion Counties, all with large Latino populations that typically Lean Republican, and EV numbers from Marion are so far (46-40-14) vs RV (35*-35-30).

Numbers from Benton & Lane are looking really good for the Dems, with the latter being a heavily blue-collar and working-class county, where one might expect to see Trump overperform traditional margins, despite the influence of the University of Oregon.

Southern Oregon numbers are looking decent, and Dems are actually ahead even in Coos County that was a +6 Romney county in '12, where Timber is still king, as well as its cousin in the Northern Oregon Coast (Tillamook) that went Republican in 2000 and 2004, before drifting back to Obama in both '08 and '12.

Meanwhile, as I have long predicted, Democrats actually lead in Jackson County, despite a 2k Rep voter edge, that narrowly went for Obama in '08 and is at the top of my Oregon County flip list.

Roll East of the Cascades, and Dems actually enjoy an early voting edge in Deschutes County, where the Republicans hold a 3% voter Registration edge, and there are a ton of college educated White voters that don't like what they see in the current Republican nominee. (2nd large Oregon County on my flip list).

Anyways, tons more to say, but been rambling on with stats long enough in a non-swing state....



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on November 01, 2016, 12:55:44 AM
republicans won nevada today.....time for more nail-biting ;P

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/793326772112596992?lang=de

funny thing:

dem turnout also has been extraordinarily weak on day 10 and 11 in 2012.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on November 01, 2016, 12:57:08 AM
republicans won nevada today.....time for more nail-biting ;P

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/793326772112596992?lang=de

Very concerning...Maybe the Comey crap is hurting Clinton afterall.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on November 01, 2016, 12:58:38 AM
republicans won nevada today.....time for more nail-biting ;P

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/793326772112596992?lang=de

Very concerning...Maybe the Comey crap is hurting Clinton afterall.
Also the gap in Colorado has decreased as Republicans are closing to around ~2.5%...Sad.

Trump is out performing Romney in Florida, Ohio, Iowa, and Nevada.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on November 01, 2016, 01:01:04 AM
Also the gap in Colorado has decreased as Republicans are closing...Sad.

they must be ahead by 7% to have a chance.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on November 01, 2016, 01:24:27 AM
republicans won nevada today.....time for more nail-biting ;P

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/793326772112596992?lang=de

Very concerning...Maybe the Comey crap is hurting Clinton afterall.
Also the gap in Colorado has decreased as Republicans are closing to around ~2.5%...Sad.

Trump is out performing Romney in Florida, Ohio, Iowa, and Nevada.

Oh lord people, calm the f down


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Confused Democrat on November 01, 2016, 01:29:22 AM
republicans won nevada today.....time for more nail-biting ;P

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/793326772112596992?lang=de

Very concerning...Maybe the Comey crap is hurting Clinton afterall.
Also the gap in Colorado has decreased as Republicans are closing to around ~2.5%...Sad.

Trump is out performing Romney in Florida, Ohio, Iowa, and Nevada.

Oh lord people, calm the f down

The bedwetting is only going to get worse.

It's in our nature...


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on November 01, 2016, 01:32:21 AM
I mean, you are all basically ignoring that this exact same day was the worst for the Democrats in 2012.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: StatesPoll on November 01, 2016, 01:33:16 AM
republicans won nevada today.....time for more nail-biting ;P

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/793326772112596992?lang=de

Very concerning...Maybe the Comey crap is hurting Clinton afterall.
Also the gap in Colorado has decreased as Republicans are closing to around ~2.5%...Sad.

Trump is out performing Romney in Florida, Ohio, Iowa, and Nevada.

Oh lord people, calm the f down

oh! f-word!  I can see now Red avatars are anxious  ;)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Badger on November 01, 2016, 01:34:04 AM
The reason Democrats are getting so nervous is they inherently know Clinton is so unlikable, her support buttressed by loathing of Trump as the greater evil is only an inch deep. If it cracks, it sinks hard into the 40's.

I don't think that's what's happening here, but the fright is somewhat understandable (albeit still mostly over the top).


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on November 01, 2016, 01:34:36 AM
republicans won nevada today.....time for more nail-biting ;P

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/793326772112596992?lang=de

Very concerning...Maybe the Comey crap is hurting Clinton afterall.
Also the gap in Colorado has decreased as Republicans are closing to around ~2.5%...Sad.

Trump is out performing Romney in Florida, Ohio, Iowa, and Nevada.

Oh lord people, calm the f down

The bedwetting is only going to get worse.

It's in our nature...

I expect the media  will keep pounding on Clinton for the next 7 days...Some bed wetting is common sense.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: StatesPoll on November 01, 2016, 01:36:38 AM
Nevada’s Early Voting 10/31 (10:30PM)  it goes well ♬

TRUMPocrats! in Nevada

Remington Nevada Poll, 10/30, 787 LV
TRUMP got 21% supports of Democrats in NV. which is far much better than Romney did in 2012.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/Remington_Research_Nevada_October_31_2016.pdf

Democrats: Hillary 74% | TRUMP 21%              Hillary +53%.
in 2012, Democrats: Obama 96% | Romney 4%        Obama +92%
http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/state/NV/president/

Nevada’s Early Voting 10/31 (10:30PM)

2016 1st week: http://nvsos.gov/sos/home/showdocument?id=4543
2016 2nd week: http://nvsos.gov/sos/home/showdocument?id=4555

2012 Final results (in person+mail).  DEM 44% REP 37%  DEM +7%
10/31/2016.  DEM 43.2% REP 36.6%.  DEM +6.6%


1. In person + Mail, Total
1) Total 504694 Votes
2) DEM 218,126 Votes(43.2%)
3) REP 184,651 Votes (36.6%)


2. Early voting in person
1) Total: 1st week  337,070 +  2nd week(10/29~10/31) 116.916 = 453.986
2) DEM: 150,484 (1st week) + 48143(2nd week, 10/29-10/31) = 198.627 (43.75%)
3) REP: 120,313 (1st week) + 42961(2nd week, 10/29-10/31) =  163.274 (35.96%)


3. Absent/Mailing
1) Total: 1st week  44,492 +  2nd week(10/29~10/31) 6,216 = 50.708
2) DEM: 16,858 (1st week) + 2641(2nd week, 10/29-10/31) = 19,499 (38.45%)
3) REP: 19,010 (1st week) + 2367(2nd week, 10/29-10/31) =  21.377(42.15%)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Tender Branson on November 01, 2016, 01:37:23 AM
republicans won nevada today.....time for more nail-biting ;P

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/793326772112596992?lang=de

Very concerning...Maybe the Comey crap is hurting Clinton afterall.
Also the gap in Colorado has decreased as Republicans are closing to around ~2.5%...Sad.

Trump is out performing Romney in Florida, Ohio, Iowa, and Nevada.

Oh lord people, calm the f down

The bedwetting is only going to get worse.

It's in our nature...

I expect the media  will keep pounding on Clinton for the next 7 days...Some bed wetting is common sense.

But yet you decided to bash me over the past couple weeks, when I told you exactly this ... that the race will narrow down.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on November 01, 2016, 01:37:40 AM
Like I said in the Comeygate monstrosity thread, you people need to get a grip. Every little fluctuation in the early vote is not necessarily significant or harks the end of democracy.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: StatesPoll on November 01, 2016, 01:39:36 AM
Like I said in the Comeygate monstrosity thread, you people need to get a grip. Every little fluctuation in the early vote is not necessarily significant or harks the end of democracy.

I can't wait to see your reaction after TRUMP wins the Election 2016

;)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on November 01, 2016, 01:39:48 AM
republicans won nevada today.....time for more nail-biting ;P

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/793326772112596992?lang=de

Very concerning...Maybe the Comey crap is hurting Clinton afterall.
Also the gap in Colorado has decreased as Republicans are closing to around ~2.5%...Sad.

Trump is out performing Romney in Florida, Ohio, Iowa, and Nevada.

Oh lord people, calm the f down

The bedwetting is only going to get worse.

It's in our nature...

I expect the media  will keep pounding on Clinton for the next 7 days...Some bed wetting is common sense.

No, bed-wetting is NEVER common sense, I just keep expecting more.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on November 01, 2016, 01:40:22 AM
The reason Democrats are getting so nervous is they inherently know Clinton is so unlikable, her support buttressed by loathing of Trump as the greater evil is only an inch deep. If it cracks, it sinks hard into the 40's.

I don't think that's what's happening here, but the fright is somewhat understandable (albeit still mostly over the top).

could be wrong but there have been tons of fear and doubt and panic in 2012 and obama is anything but not likable.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ebsy on November 01, 2016, 01:41:40 AM
The reason Democrats are getting so nervous is they inherently know Clinton is so unlikable, her support buttressed by loathing of Trump as the greater evil is only an inch deep. If it cracks, it sinks hard into the 40's.

I don't think that's what's happening here, but the fright is somewhat understandable (albeit still mostly over the top).

could be wrong but there have been tons of fear and doubt and panic in 2012 and obama is anything but not likable.

Badger's argument doesn't make any sense even on its own merits. Polling has shown that a much larger share of Clinton's supporters are voting for her to support her than say the same about Trump.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on November 01, 2016, 01:42:13 AM
republicans won nevada today.....time for more nail-biting ;P

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/793326772112596992?lang=de

Very concerning...Maybe the Comey crap is hurting Clinton afterall.
Also the gap in Colorado has decreased as Republicans are closing to around ~2.5%...Sad.

Trump is out performing Romney in Florida, Ohio, Iowa, and Nevada.

Oh lord people, calm the f down

Exactly, take a chill pill all Dem avatars...

We have a legal means of dealing with stress induced psychosis now in Oregon, that will likely spread to California, Nevada, New Mexico, Arizona, and Maine in the very near future.

Back to reality, Dem numbers are looking strong in Nevada and Colorado.

EV numbers are lower than expected in Iowa, but picking up, now that the Dems did a strategic decision to do a "late push". Still think the state will flip, but will likely be close.

Ohio would appear to be natural Trump country, but numbers this weekend make me a bit more optimistic considering the Ground Game gap,

Florida, we always knew was going to be a close state, so the key question is if the Latino surge offsets some of the Grumpy Old White MidWest Men outside of Tampa-St Pete.

If I recall the cover of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy "Don't Panic".... ;)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Confused Democrat on November 01, 2016, 01:44:40 AM
The reason Democrats are getting so nervous is they inherently know Clinton is so unlikable, her support buttressed by loathing of Trump as the greater evil is only an inch deep. If it cracks, it sinks hard into the 40's.

I don't think that's what's happening here, but the fright is somewhat understandable (albeit still mostly over the top).

I don't think thats what Democrats are wetting the bed about. It's not that we believe that our candidate is inherently unlikable, we're just distraught by the fact that Donald Trump is the second most likely person to become POTUS come November 8th.

To put it bluntly.

A lot of us believe that the stability of our Republic hangs in the balance. Most of us don't think Hillary is going to lose, in fact, most of us believe she's going to win by a comfortable margin. Any chance of Trump winning this election, no matter how small, is enough to make us nervous.





Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: morgieb on November 01, 2016, 01:49:11 AM
Was Democratic bed-wetting this bad in 2012? Don't remember.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Confused Democrat on November 01, 2016, 01:49:34 AM
Was Democratic bed-wetting this bad in 2012? Don't remember.

I heard it was worse.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on November 01, 2016, 01:49:38 AM
The reason Democrats are getting so nervous is they inherently know Clinton is so unlikable, her support buttressed by loathing of Trump as the greater evil is only an inch deep. If it cracks, it sinks hard into the 40's.

I don't think that's what's happening here, but the fright is somewhat understandable (albeit still mostly over the top).

I don't think thats what Democrats are wetting the bed about. It's not that we believe that our candidate is inherently unlikable, we're just distraught by the fact that Donald Trump is the second most likely person to become POTUS come November 8th.

To put it bluntly.

A lot of us believe that the stability of our Republic hangs in the balance. Most of us don't think Hillary is going to lose, in fact, most of us believe she's going to win by a comfortable margin. Any chance of Trump winning this election, no matter how small, is enough to make us nervous.





Exactly the way I feel. It needs to be large enough to turn back the tide of extremism and anti-governmentalism or the next 4 years is going to be really ugly.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on November 01, 2016, 01:59:50 AM
The reason Democrats are getting so nervous is they inherently know Clinton is so unlikable, her support buttressed by loathing of Trump as the greater evil is only an inch deep. If it cracks, it sinks hard into the 40's.

I don't think that's what's happening here, but the fright is somewhat understandable (albeit still mostly over the top).

I don't think thats what Democrats are wetting the bed about. It's not that we believe that our candidate is inherently unlikable, we're just distraught by the fact that Donald Trump is the second most likely person to become POTUS come November 8th.

To put it bluntly.

A lot of us believe that the stability of our Republic hangs in the balance. Most of us don't think Hillary is going to lose, in fact, most of us believe she's going to win by a comfortable margin. Any chance of Trump winning this election, no matter how small, is enough to make us nervous.





Exactly the way I feel. It needs to be large enough to turn back the tide of extremism and anti-governmentalism or the next 4 years is going to be really ugly.

Then stop panicking and do what you can to change things. Trump is where he is thanks to the GOP, if people hold their nerve and work as hard as they can, Trump isn't going to win. It really is that simple.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: IceSpear on November 01, 2016, 02:09:48 AM
Was Democratic bed-wetting this bad in 2012? Don't remember.

I heard it was worse.

At least Romney actually led in the polls multiple times in October.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on November 01, 2016, 02:19:33 AM
The reason Democrats are getting so nervous is they inherently know Clinton is so unlikable, her support buttressed by loathing of Trump as the greater evil is only an inch deep. If it cracks, it sinks hard into the 40's.

I don't think that's what's happening here, but the fright is somewhat understandable (albeit still mostly over the top).

I don't think thats what Democrats are wetting the bed about. It's not that we believe that our candidate is inherently unlikable, we're just distraught by the fact that Donald Trump is the second most likely person to become POTUS come November 8th.

To put it bluntly.

A lot of us believe that the stability of our Republic hangs in the balance. Most of us don't think Hillary is going to lose, in fact, most of us believe she's going to win by a comfortable margin. Any chance of Trump winning this election, no matter how small, is enough to make us nervous.





Exactly the way I feel. It needs to be large enough to turn back the tide of extremism and anti-governmentalism or the next 4 years is going to be really ugly.

Then stop panicking and do what you can to change things. Trump is where he is thanks to the GOP, if people hold their nerve and work as hard as they can, Trump isn't going to win. It really is that simple.

This....

Been around over four decades now, and quite frankly this race is looking like anywhere from a 2-8% Democratic win in the PV, even if Clinton's numbers drop a point or two in the last week, and undecideds and 3rd Party voters somehow swing dramatically towards Trump.

What we have seen in the past six weeks is Trump consolidating the Republican base to a significant extent, and catching up with Clinton that started to consolidate the Democratic base slightly earlier.

Overall Clinton is looking to be in slightly better shape than Obama in '08, although some traditionally Democratic swing states are looking a little closer, while Trump has taken a giant nose-dive in places like Arizona, Texas, and Utah.

Feel the power of the force young Jedi's, and there is actually a decent chance that Clinton will be the 3rd Democratic Presidential candidate in a row to win >50% of the popular vote.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Badger on November 01, 2016, 02:35:32 AM
The reason Democrats are getting so nervous is they inherently know Clinton is so unlikable, her support buttressed by loathing of Trump as the greater evil is only an inch deep. If it cracks, it sinks hard into the 40's.

I don't think that's what's happening here, but the fright is somewhat understandable (albeit still mostly over the top).

I don't think thats what Democrats are wetting the bed about. It's not that we believe that our candidate is inherently unlikable, we're just distraught by the fact that Donald Trump is the second most likely person to become POTUS come November 8th.

To put it bluntly.

A lot of us believe that the stability of our Republic hangs in the balance. Most of us don't think Hillary is going to lose, in fact, most of us believe she's going to win by a comfortable margin. Any chance of Trump winning this election, no matter how small, is enough to make us nervous.


Well, that too, but I was too lazy to add that.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Badger on November 01, 2016, 02:38:35 AM
The reason Democrats are getting so nervous is they inherently know Clinton is so unlikable, her support buttressed by loathing of Trump as the greater evil is only an inch deep. If it cracks, it sinks hard into the 40's.

I don't think that's what's happening here, but the fright is somewhat understandable (albeit still mostly over the top).

could be wrong but there have been tons of fear and doubt and panic in 2012 and obama is anything but not likable.

Badger's argument doesn't make any sense even on its own merits. Polling has shown that a much larger share of Clinton's supporters are voting for her to support her than say the same about Trump.

True, but those are mostly non-persuadable Clinton backers. There are a solid number who still see her as the lesser evil for now, but are still looking for a reason not to vote for her.

Mind you, Trump's the same way, though until recently most of the persuadables had already abandoned ship. Some are now climbing back on board.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BlueSwan on November 01, 2016, 03:21:15 AM
Was Democratic bed-wetting this bad in 2012? Don't remember.

I heard it was worse.
Depends on your definition. I am a liberal bed-wetter and at times in 2012 I was sure that Obama would lose. However, during the last few days I was fairly confident of an Obama win. Also, I wasn't nearly as distraught in 2012 as a Romney win wouldn't have meant the end of western civilization by any means.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on November 01, 2016, 05:45:40 AM
Barring huge events, there is a tendency for a natural PV lead range to develop over the course of an election. As seen in that 2012 Obama internal polling chart, this lead range probably won't deviate by more than 2 points in a given direction. My belief is that this race has the natural tendency of a 4-6 point lead for Clinton. In good news cycles, it's gone to 6-8 (with the expected polls sometimes in double digits). In bad news cycles, it's gone to 2-4 (with the expected polls sometimes tied).


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: JerryArkansas on November 01, 2016, 07:06:00 AM
I can't see how anyone spins this, very ugly #'s in FL.

https://twitter.com/electionsmith/status/793278422415872000
Early voting in Florida was only a week in 2012.  Those numbers are comparing about a day to well over a week.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on November 01, 2016, 07:56:30 AM
So, that's what we're going to do today? We're going to panic? Not-so-great to mixed day yesterday. Let's see how the week keeps unfolding. Been a weird stretch with NV's Friday holiday, the weekend, and then Monday Halloween. And then of course all the oppo flying around and the fact that many GOTV rally stops are in coming (such as Clinton's upcoming in NV).


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on November 01, 2016, 08:04:45 AM
http://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2016/10/clinton-campaign-struggles-in-getting-african-americans-to-early-voting-polls-106931

Hispanics have cast 507K votes, 97% of the 2012 early vote, with still time to go.

Whites are at 80% of 2012 early vote.

Mixed-race/Asian are 76% of 2012 early vote.

Blacks are 55% of 2012 early vote.

Millennials (18-34) are 53% of their 2012 total

>65 are 97% of their 2012 total


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on November 01, 2016, 08:15:41 AM
https://twitter.com/tbonier/status/793438423877124096
Good news from TargetSmart regarding Florida.

1) With over 4 million ballots cast, GOP registrants outnumber Dems by 16k votes cast. That's a 0.4% advantage. However...

2) Almost 700k votes have been cast by Unaffiliated voters. And those voters skew heavily Dem, with a 13% modeled partisan advantage

3) Unaffiliated EV/AV are more likely to be Hispanic (22%), or Millennial (16%), and only 65% are white

4) Tomorrow AM we will release our latest @_TargetSmart and W&M tracking survey of Florida, including full breakouts of EV/AV.

5) I've seen the initial results, and I can say they will challenge the conventional wisdom of where the race stands. Tune in tomorrow!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on November 01, 2016, 08:37:31 AM
And Ralston asks you to stop back from that ledge, my friend, in NV:

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@RalstonReports  29m29 minutes ago


So what's the state of #s in NV after the Dems no-good, horrible day Monday?
Clark firewall at 48K, about same as '12. Detailed post coming.

And in fact he also just dropped his daily update:

http://www.ktnv.com/news/ralston/the-nevada-early-voting-blog


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: PresidentTRUMP on November 01, 2016, 08:47:41 AM
A lot of people dismissed the massive drop in black turnout in the Dem primary but it looks like its not a fluke.

Like how you dismissed Hillary's lead in the PA poll but celebrated McGinty's lead in the same poll? I guess we all have our blind spots...

Look I am fine with HC win as long as we get Senate and flip SCOTUS and I will continue to believe we could've done better with another nominee. We could've flipped the House with Biden.

Yes, I am very very very thankful the D's ran HRC and Not Joe Biden, Biden would have won in a landslide for sure.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on November 01, 2016, 09:21:15 AM
https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/793457148323737600


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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on November 01, 2016, 09:22:08 AM
Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports  20m20 minutes ago
Jon Ralston Retweeted Bradley Tallent
Today likely to be another bad day for Dems relative to rest. They usually do very well Wed-Fri. of second week, and last day usually big.

Also, Ralston says he'll make a definitive prediction on Sunday about Nevada.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on November 01, 2016, 09:22:21 AM
https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/793457148323737600


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The female stats are actually quite encouraging.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: swf541 on November 01, 2016, 09:34:40 AM
https://twitter.com/tbonier/status/793438423877124096
Good news from TargetSmart regarding Florida.

1) With over 4 million ballots cast, GOP registrants outnumber Dems by 16k votes cast. That's a 0.4% advantage. However...

2) Almost 700k votes have been cast by Unaffiliated voters. And those voters skew heavily Dem, with a 13% modeled partisan advantage

3) Unaffiliated EV/AV are more likely to be Hispanic (22%), or Millennial (16%), and only 65% are white

4) Tomorrow AM we will release our latest @_TargetSmart and W&M tracking survey of Florida, including full breakouts of EV/AV.

5) I've seen the initial results, and I can say they will challenge the conventional wisdom of where the race stands. Tune in tomorrow!
Interesting


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ljube on November 01, 2016, 09:38:12 AM
Was Democratic bed-wetting this bad in 2012? Don't remember.

I heard it was worse.

At least Romney actually led in the polls multiple times in October.

Well, I was here in 2012 and the bedwetting wasn't worse.

Dems were mostly confident of an Obama victory and I had a much harder time arguing that Romney would win.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Eraserhead on November 01, 2016, 10:43:28 AM
https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/793457148323737600


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The female stats are actually quite encouraging.

Those are white women though... in North Carolina.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on November 01, 2016, 10:45:31 AM
All looks fine in CO:

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@ElectProject  7m7 minutes ago

Colorado #earlyvote update: over 1 Million voted. Dem lead +2.6 points

Those who follow closely, update from #APElecRsch last night had Dem +2.5 then. Looks like Reps just keeping pace w/ Dems as more vote

This likely is not enough for Trump. Reps need a lead in this state since unaffiliateds here break Dem


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on November 01, 2016, 10:46:50 AM
All looks fine in CO:

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@ElectProject  7m7 minutes ago

Colorado #earlyvote update: over 1 Million voted. Dem lead +2.6 points

Those who follow closely, update from #APElecRsch last night had Dem +2.5 then. Looks like Reps just keeping pace w/ Dems as more vote

This likely is not enough for Trump. Reps need a lead in this state since unaffiliateds here break Dem

Good news. If NV and CO are locked, then the election is in the bag.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Eraserhead on November 01, 2016, 10:48:26 AM
What was the Dem lead in CO at this point in 2012?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on November 01, 2016, 10:48:31 AM
Guys, do you remember how you criticised/unskewed pollster's for having too white and not black enough crosstabs? Well, guess *what :)


*it is though a bit too early, but still.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on November 01, 2016, 10:49:33 AM
What was the Dem lead in CO at this point in 2012?

On November 5th, Dems trailed by 2%.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/05/early-voting-results-2012_n_2076029.html


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on November 01, 2016, 10:55:27 AM
When are the last early voting days this year?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on November 01, 2016, 10:58:18 AM
What was the Dem lead in CO at this point in 2012?

On November 5th, Dems trailed by 2%.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/05/early-voting-results-2012_n_2076029.html
EDIT: misstake... :-[

In 2008, Obama won EV by 9 4% (correct me if I'm wrong), he won NVCO 9%.
In 2012, Obama    lost EV by  2%                                     , he won by  5%.

EV is not that pretty predictive. :D With reservation that laws didn't change too much.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on November 01, 2016, 11:02:32 AM
What was the Dem lead in CO at this point in 2012?

On November 5th, Dems trailed by 2%.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/05/early-voting-results-2012_n_2076029.html
EDIT: misstake...

In 2008, Obama won EV by 9 4% (correct me if I'm wrong), he won NV 9%.
In 2012, Obama    lost EV by  2%                                     , he won by  5%.

EV is not that pretty predictive. :D With reservation that laws didn't change too much.

Hmmm....do you have a link for that '08 number? Electproject has the party difference in '08 as D+1.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on November 01, 2016, 11:04:36 AM
Cohn is breaking down the Upshot's model and its current stance:

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@Nate_Cohn  2m2 minutes ago Washington, DC

Key is that it's based on a poll that had Clinton up 7. If race tightened/or poll too D, these estimates will be too

The big takeaway is that the early vote isn't changing our estimates for the composition of the electorate at all, to either cand. advantage

Basically: NC electorate will be what polls suggest. Polls say Clinton is ahead. Polls can be wrong. But, if so, won't be bc of turnout


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on November 01, 2016, 11:05:32 AM
What was the Dem lead in CO at this point in 2012?

On November 5th, Dems trailed by 2%.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/05/early-voting-results-2012_n_2076029.html
EDIT: misstake...

In 2008, Obama won EV by 9 4% (correct me if I'm wrong), he won NV 9%.
In 2012, Obama    lost EV by  2%                                     , he won by  5%.

EV is not that pretty predictive. :D With reservation that laws didn't change too much.

Hmmm....do you have a link for that '08 number? Electproject has the party difference in '08 as D+1.

I took if from here
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/11/whos-really-winning-early-voting/264436/

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The spin: Democrats say they are leading among "non-midterm voters" who are voting early. But there's no getting around it: Republicans -- who lost the early vote in Colorado by 4 points in 2008 -- are winning it this time, and the early vote is a huge majority of the total vote in this state Obama won by 9 points in 2008.



Oh f**k. I mixed CO and NV


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on November 01, 2016, 11:08:02 AM
What was the Dem lead in CO at this point in 2012?

On November 5th, Dems trailed by 2%.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/05/early-voting-results-2012_n_2076029.html
EDIT: misstake...

In 2008, Obama won EV by 9 4% (correct me if I'm wrong), he won NV 9%.
In 2012, Obama    lost EV by  2%                                     , he won by  5%.

EV is not that pretty predictive. :D With reservation that laws didn't change too much.

Hmmm....do you have a link for that '08 number? Electproject has the party difference in '08 as D+1.

I took if from here
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/11/whos-really-winning-early-voting/264436/

Quote
The spin: Democrats say they are leading among "non-midterm voters" who are voting early. But there's no getting around it: Republicans -- who lost the early vote in Colorado by 4 points in 2008 -- are winning it this time, and the early vote is a huge majority of the total vote in this state Obama won by 9 points in 2008.



Oh f**k. I mixed CO and NV


Yep


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on November 01, 2016, 11:09:39 AM
Ah, thanks for the update! These old numbers are hard to find. So if Dems break even by election day, CO +6 looks plausible, and that's about how polls look. Still, full week to go here.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on November 01, 2016, 11:10:22 AM
Ah, thanks for the update! These old numbers are hard to find. So if Dems break even by election day, CO +6 looks plausible, and that's about how polls look. Still, full week to go here.

Do you know when EV ends or is it different by state?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: KingSweden on November 01, 2016, 11:11:53 AM
Ah, thanks for the update! These old numbers are hard to find. So if Dems break even by election day, CO +6 looks plausible, and that's about how polls look. Still, full week to go here.

Do you know when EV ends or is it different by state?

CO is all Mail so EV never really ends


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on November 01, 2016, 11:12:39 AM
Ah, thanks for the update! These old numbers are hard to find. So if Dems break even by election day, CO +6 looks plausible, and that's about how polls look. Still, full week to go here.

Do you know when EV ends or is it different by state?

CO is all Mail so EV never really ends

And as for the rest, it's all over the map. Column O of this spreadsheet has them all:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Vthw8zjKSm1ziPjX50dumTkO2rd4JguC6yxt-KKzgkA/edit#gid=0


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on November 01, 2016, 11:14:12 AM
Ah, thanks for the update! These old numbers are hard to find. So if Dems break even by election day, CO +6 looks plausible, and that's about how polls look. Still, full week to go here.

Do you know when EV ends or is it different by state?


CO is all Mail so EV never really ends

And as for the rest, it's all over the map. Column O of this spreadsheet has them all:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Vthw8zjKSm1ziPjX50dumTkO2rd4JguC6yxt-KKzgkA/edit#gid=0

5 through 7 for most essentially.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ag on November 01, 2016, 11:14:58 AM
Was Democratic bed-wetting this bad in 2012? Don't remember.

I heard it was worse.

At least Romney actually led in the polls multiple times in October.

Well, I was here in 2012 and the bedwetting wasn't worse.

Dems were mostly confident of an Obama victory and I had a much harder time arguing that Romney would win.


There is a difference, though, between Romney and Trump winning. Romney winning would have meant a few years of a competent administration, which would have implemented policies with which some of those here would have disagreed. Trump meaning implies a reduction of life expectancy of all of us on this forum to about 3 years. I know that you personally have decided to commit suicide, and I would have even been willing to respect that - if you were not insisting on dragging the rest of us with you. Honestly, just putting something into Cool Aid and sharing it with your tribe would have been a more decent thing to do: it would have been indistinguishable from electing Trump in terms of consequences for you and your family, but it would have spared me and mine.

Yes, Trump may very well win as of today. And this scares me beyond belief. To think that a gigantic murder-suicide cult, bent on destruction of the human civilisation as we know it, could not merely emerge, but achieve such level of support as we are seeing today is beyond frightening. Even if Trump loses I will never again be able to look into a face of an average white American male without shuddering: I will always have to remember that this person wants to kill: himself, his family, and myself.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: JerryArkansas on November 01, 2016, 11:22:06 AM
Ah, thanks for the update! These old numbers are hard to find. So if Dems break even by election day, CO +6 looks plausible, and that's about how polls look. Still, full week to go here.
They can lose by 5 and still win the state.  I'm not too worried about it.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on November 01, 2016, 11:25:51 AM
Nate Cohn and Dave Wasserman are getting into a little bit of a spat over black voter share in NC:

Greg Sargent ‏@ThePlumLineGS
Here @Nate_Cohn and the @UpshotNYT project Clinton winning NC by 6, based on early voting and their polling:

Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn Nate Cohn Retweeted Greg Sargent
Key is that it's based on a poll that had Clinton up 7. If race tightened/or poll too D, these estimates will be too

Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict Dave Wasserman Retweeted Nate Cohn
If AA's drop 3-4% as share of NC electorate (we don't know yet), I have hard time believing HRC will make that up among college whites.

Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn Nate Cohn Retweeted Dave Wasserman
Sorry, but it's just not realistic to suggest that black voters could fall to 19% of the NC electorate.

Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn  8m8 minutes ago Washington, DC
Black, non-Hispanic share of actual and registered voters in North Carolina since 2004 cc: @Redistrict
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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: bilaps on November 01, 2016, 11:26:44 AM
Ok, this is why I called McDonald a hack yesterday.

Today updates from early voting

In NC Dems go from minus 3,4 to minus 3,1% vs 2012 levels
Reps go from 6,9% to 8,7% in the plus column

In FL 7008 more R submited votes

In NV from 7,9 D+ to 6,6 D+

In CO from 3,5 D+ to 2,6 D+

I will admit NV and Co still looks likely D even though Ralston is not someone who is objective so you could quote him. He wrote today about rural counties "until cows come home".

bbb but. Mcdonald constantly wrote that there is no evidence of Comey thing hurting D even though it was way too early for that assumption. And now he is soo quiet.

also i don't see why is Cohn so certain at this black vote turnout, it IS down 8% in early vote. if it just follows the trend on election day 4yrs ago, it will definetly be under 19%. am i missing something there?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on November 01, 2016, 11:31:58 AM
Ok, this is why I called McDonald a hack yesterday.

Today updates from early voting

In NC Dems go from minus 3,4 to minus 3,1% vs 2012 levels
Reps go from 6,9% to 8,7% in the plus column

In FL 7008 more R submited votes

In NV from 7,9 D+ to 6,6 D+

In CO from 3,5 D+ to 2,6 D+

I will admit NV and Co still looks likely D even though Ralston is not someone who is objective so you could quote him. He wrote today about rural counties "until cows come home".

bbb but. Mcdonald constantly wrote that there is no evidence of Comey thing hurting D even though it was way too early for that assumption. And now he is soo quiet.

also i don't see why is Cohn so certain at this black vote turnout, it IS down 8% in early vote. if it just follows the trend on election day 4yrs ago, it will definetly be under 19%. am i missing something there?

Freakouts as usual. I just want this to be over.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on November 01, 2016, 11:32:45 AM
To FL and NV: FL stayed basically at the same margin it has been at and NV produced the same bad numbers for Dems on the same early voting day in '12. So neither of those really do seem to have shown much difference. CO has to get back to even for Clinton to only win by 6, and it was expected to do so. NC is a different beast, and I do think that it will be very very close, and probably tilts R until we see a shift in the EV trend (which may come, as some think it will. I'm a tad less confident in that).


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on November 01, 2016, 11:35:40 AM
Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn Nate Cohn Retweeted Greg Sargent
Key is that it's based on a poll that had Clinton up 7. If race tightened/or poll too D, these estimates will be too

I don't than really understand what then the model is? As I understand this tweet, it is just a [Siena] poll, but instead of LV model, thay use actual results, right? Intresting and, actually, a good news for Trump, if it is true.

EDIT:
Good news for Trump, if this poll was wrong, the race changed etc..


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Brittain33 on November 01, 2016, 11:42:41 AM
Cohn is breaking down the Upshot's model and its current stance:

Quote
@Nate_Cohn  2m2 minutes ago Washington, DC

Key is that it's based on a poll that had Clinton up 7. If race tightened/or poll too D, these estimates will be too

Yup, that's the major problem with Upshot. Either they'll be brilliant on Election Day or will have been proven wrong for 2 weeks of data.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on November 01, 2016, 11:42:56 AM
Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn Nate Cohn Retweeted Greg Sargent
Key is that it's based on a poll that had Clinton up 7. If race tightened/or poll too D, these estimates will be too

I don't than really understand what then the model is? As I understand this tweet, it is just a poll, but instead of LV model, thay use actual results, right? Intresting and, actually, a good news for Trump, if it is true.

It's at least not bad news. The model is pinned entirely to Upshot's NC+7, and they have her at +5.5, which she certainly shouldn't love. That said, if she leads polls by more than 1.5 on ED, this model says she wins.

All of that said, if there's anything wrong with the underpinnings of Upshot's demos, the whole thing is worthless.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ljube on November 01, 2016, 11:48:50 AM
Well, the current EV results confirm what we already know:

NV and CO seem to be safe D, FL and NC seem to be lean R.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Brittain33 on November 01, 2016, 11:50:57 AM
Well, the current EV results confirm what we already know:

NV and CO seem to be safe D, FL and NC seem to be lean R.

I still don't see how you can conclude that from NC given who the unaffiliated voters are, much less the public polling showing her ahead in every poll and the internal poll leaks as well.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on November 01, 2016, 11:55:16 AM
Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn Nate Cohn Retweeted Greg Sargent
Key is that it's based on a poll that had Clinton up 7. If race tightened/or poll too D, these estimates will be too

I don't than really understand what then the model is? As I understand this tweet, it is just a poll, but instead of LV model, thay use actual results, right? Intresting and, actually, a good news for Trump, if it is true.

It's at least not bad news. The model is pinned entirely to Upshot's NC+7, and they have her at +5.5, which she certainly shouldn't love. That said, if she leads polls by more than 1.5 on ED, this model says she wins.

All of that said, if there's anything wrong with the underpinnings of Upshot's demos, the whole thing is worthless.

Great news for me :P

I gave almost up on NC, cause I thought that they used their "average" from Upshot rather than Siena poll only. Siena has a D house effect and 538 adjusted it from C+7 to C+4 (IDK, if this includes last week trend line, though). And Upshot's turnout model already shows 1.3% points swing (if I understood it right). So even if NC is lean D, it is doable for Trump :D


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on November 01, 2016, 11:55:47 AM
Well, the current EV results confirm what we already know:

NV and CO seem to be safe D, FL and NC seem to be lean R.

I still don't see how you can conclude that from NC given who the unaffiliated voters are, much less the public polling showing her ahead in every poll and the internal poll leaks as well.

I don't know how anyone can conclude anything about NC or FL right now. Between new voters, UAFs, current vs historical demos, and tight polling, I can't put the tea leaves into any legible order at all.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on November 01, 2016, 12:06:46 PM
People are reading way too much into these early voting numbers. They certainly don't prove that FL looks good for Trump or that ME-02 is gone for Trump. I'd rather trust the polls, tbh.

With rare exception (CO and NV, as far as I'm concerned), I agree with you.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Xing on November 01, 2016, 12:10:00 PM
People are reading way too much into these early voting numbers. They certainly don't prove that FL looks good for Trump or that ME-02 is gone for Trump. I'd rather trust the polls, tbh.

I agree that they don't definitively prove anything, though they can give us clues about certain states, especially if compared to early voting from 2012 (NV and CO are promising for Hillary, Trump seems to be improving on Romney in IA.)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: fldemfunds on November 01, 2016, 12:17:55 PM
https://twitter.com/tbonier/status/793438423877124096
Good news from TargetSmart regarding Florida.

1) With over 4 million ballots cast, GOP registrants outnumber Dems by 16k votes cast. That's a 0.4% advantage. However...

2) Almost 700k votes have been cast by Unaffiliated voters. And those voters skew heavily Dem, with a 13% modeled partisan advantage

3) Unaffiliated EV/AV are more likely to be Hispanic (22%), or Millennial (16%), and only 65% are white

4) Tomorrow AM we will release our latest @_TargetSmart and W&M tracking survey of Florida, including full breakouts of EV/AV.

5) I've seen the initial results, and I can say they will challenge the conventional wisdom of where the race stands. Tune in tomorrow!
Interesting

This is why I've been so adamant that democrats will win by 5+.

The registration and performance gap for democrats in 2012 was about 5.5%. Roughly 450,000 reg changes to republican happened. This covers almost the entirety of the gap. At least enough to warrant saying that registration numbers are more reflective to a substantial degree than they were in 2012. So if you just stopped there, Florida looks like it did in 2012 with registration numbers becoming a more accurate indicator of performance.

However, we've also had substantial new dem and npa registrants. 2/3 of new registrants since august have been non white voters and approximately half are non white since 2012. Dems have a substantial npa advantage in Florida. You can't simply say dems need to match reg based turnout from 2012 because that is before the republican primary had a sorting effect on dixiecrats who voted gop, so reg numbers used to overstate performance, but now because of the npa surge, reg numbers drastically understate the advantage.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on November 01, 2016, 12:45:00 PM
Quote from Washington Post story about Florida early voting:

Josh Wilson ‏@JoshWilsonOrl  8m8 minutes ago
Josh Wilson Retweeted Washington Post
"More than 400,000 of the registered Democrats who have voted early have either not voted in the past three elections or voted just once."

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/793481246693203968


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Brittain33 on November 01, 2016, 01:03:01 PM
Quote from Washington Post story about Florida early voting:

Josh Wilson ‏@JoshWilsonOrl  8m8 minutes ago
Josh Wilson Retweeted Washington Post
"More than 400,000 of the registered Democrats who have voted early have either not voted in the past three elections or voted just once."

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/793481246693203968

Translated into English, means they voted in 2012 but not either of the mid-terms.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: PresidentTRUMP on November 01, 2016, 01:06:56 PM
ABC/Washington Post Poll (post FBI re-investigation against Hillary)
Among those likely to vote on election day:
Trump - 50% (+11)
Clinton - 39%

If these numbers are remotely close to accurate HRC better build up a SUBSTANTIAL lead in these swing states in the battle ground areas.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on November 01, 2016, 01:10:41 PM
i am pretty sure we see a hell of tightening but imho the ABC/WAPO model is too strict regarding who is going to vote. this will be a high-turnout election.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on November 01, 2016, 01:21:50 PM
http://www.insight-us.org/blog/north-carolinas-early-voting-2016-dashboard/

North Carolina

African American voting remains depressed (currently just 85% of 2012), that’s up 3 points from our last look on the 28th (and still rising),

white voters’ performance crept up only 2 points, to 117% of 2012, and looks (for the moment, anyway) to have flattened out at that level.

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: swf541 on November 01, 2016, 01:23:00 PM
http://www.insight-us.org/blog/north-carolinas-early-voting-2016-dashboard/

North Carolina

African American voting remains depressed (currently just 85% of 2012), that’s up 3 points from our last look on the 28th (and still rising),

white voters’ performance crept up only 2 points, to 117% of 2012, and looks (for the moment, anyway) to have flattened out at that level.

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So white increase flattening out while African Americans are moving up?  Thats good to see.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on November 01, 2016, 01:26:12 PM
There's still a massive gap here. Since the White vote is up significantly, Blacks need to at least pull even in raw numbers to avoid a collapse.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on November 01, 2016, 01:27:09 PM
Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports  4m4 minutes ago
Early vote blog updated as all numbers in:
Statewide: Dems+31K
Clark: Dems+48K
Washoe: Dems+2.3K
Rurals: GOP+19K

http://www.ktnv.com/news/ralston/the-nevada-early-voting-blog


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on November 01, 2016, 01:27:58 PM
don't be so hostile of whites...male turnout is stable, white women are up.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: fldemfunds on November 01, 2016, 01:29:29 PM
don't be so hostile of whites...male turnout is stable, white women are up.

This.

Plus a lot of those white voters are college educated in the Research Triangle. Being white =/= being a Trump supporter necessarily.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on November 01, 2016, 01:30:19 PM
don't be so hostile of whites...male turnout is stable, white women are up.

How do we know this?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on November 01, 2016, 01:36:05 PM
don't be so hostile of whites...male turnout is stable, white women are up.

How do we know this?

was reported yesterday afaik. at least atm.

will be a narrow thing anyway.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on November 01, 2016, 01:36:33 PM
don't be so hostile of whites...male turnout is stable, white women are up.

How do we know this?

Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  4h4 hours ago
Selected characteristics of North Carolina Unaffiliated early voters as of 11/1, with 2012 comparison

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Not sure where to find % of total 2012 early voters that were women, but here are 2016 totals:

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Looks like about 200K more female voters?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on November 01, 2016, 01:39:36 PM
Oh actually this graph is better (from http://www.insight-us.org/blog/north-carolinas-early-voting-2016-dashboard/)

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: PresidentTRUMP on November 01, 2016, 01:45:41 PM
Oh actually this graph is better (from http://www.insight-us.org/blog/north-carolinas-early-voting-2016-dashboard/)

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Nice! Thanks for the update on where the state stands right now, Trump has to have that one.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on November 01, 2016, 01:47:51 PM
Oh actually this graph is better (from http://www.insight-us.org/blog/north-carolinas-early-voting-2016-dashboard/)


Nice! Thanks for the update on where the state stands right now, Trump has to have that one.

You're making the false assumption that all Whites will vote for Trump in the same way they did for Romney, especially in the case for White Republican women.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Yank2133 on November 01, 2016, 01:49:07 PM
Oh actually this graph is better (from http://www.insight-us.org/blog/north-carolinas-early-voting-2016-dashboard/)


Nice! Thanks for the update on where the state stands right now, Trump has to have that one.

You're making the false assumption that all Whites will vote for Trump in the same way they did for Romney, especially in the case for White Republican women.

This.

He has actually doing far worse then Romney did with white voters.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on November 01, 2016, 01:49:33 PM
That doesn't say anything specifically about White females...

There is a huge gender gap in Georgia too, but I think it's probably an exaggerated effect of lower Black male turnout (white vote is even in Georgia, but Black females are like 2:1 Black males historically).


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on November 01, 2016, 01:50:38 PM
Oh actually this graph is better (from http://www.insight-us.org/blog/north-carolinas-early-voting-2016-dashboard/)


Nice! Thanks for the update on where the state stands right now, Trump has to have that one.

You're making the false assumption that all Whites will vote for Trump in the same way they did for Romney, especially in the case for White Republican women.

Polling seems mixed on this. New elon poll shows him up bigly among whites.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: JimSharp on November 01, 2016, 01:52:54 PM

I don't know enough to say if it is true or not, but some analysts have blamed the low AA turnout in NC on less (in some cases only 1) early vote locations 1st week and some hurricane displacement. Some Dems think rebound this week is possible/probably. dunno if accurate but early vote trends/patterns have likely been affected by shortened EV window that was reversed by court order.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on November 01, 2016, 01:53:25 PM
Oh actually this graph is better (from http://www.insight-us.org/blog/north-carolinas-early-voting-2016-dashboard/)

Nice! Thanks for the update on where the state stands right now, Trump has to have that one.

You're making the false assumption that all Whites will vote for Trump in the same way they did for Romney, especially in the case for White Republican women.

Agreed-- also, I think the main takeaway from these plots is the huge increase in UNA voting, which demographics and early polling suggest will break towards Clinton

(btw, please fix your quoting-- the "Nice" part isn't mine.)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on November 01, 2016, 01:55:40 PM
Oh actually this graph is better (from http://www.insight-us.org/blog/north-carolinas-early-voting-2016-dashboard/)


Nice! Thanks for the update on where the state stands right now, Trump has to have that one.

You're making the false assumption that all Whites will vote for Trump in the same way they did for Romney, especially in the case for White Republican women.

Polling seems mixed on this. New elon poll shows him up bigly among whites.

A poll that didn't weight for education, which is the primary divider in this demographic. Huge flaw.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on November 01, 2016, 02:05:21 PM
Mark Murray ‏@mmurraypolitics  2m2 minutes ago
Comparing 2012 vs. 2016 in early vote by party affiliation -- one week out before election, via NBC/TargetSmart

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: riceowl on November 01, 2016, 02:08:18 PM
What am I missing about that Georgia number? Because that shift is well insane.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on November 01, 2016, 02:09:54 PM
"FL still tied", as Murray notes, but 40-40-19 in FL is probably a better look for Dems than 42-42-16. At any rate, this is handy to have all in one place.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Maxwell on November 01, 2016, 02:10:49 PM
why hasn't their been more conversations about Michigan Democrats just decimating Michigan Republicans this year?? Am i missing something?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on November 01, 2016, 02:13:01 PM
What am I missing about that Georgia number? Because that shift is well insane.

Hard to say, since I think the states with asterisks are derived from TargetSmart modeling since those states don't release party info about early voters.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on November 01, 2016, 02:15:34 PM
are those numbers valid? do all those midwestern states have full early voting?

otherwise i can't understand why the dems should surge in WI and MI. (even absentee-kingdom PA lol)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on November 01, 2016, 02:16:03 PM
are those numbers valid? do all those midwestern states have full early voting?

otherwise i can't understand why the dems should surge in WI and MI. (even absentee-kingdom PA lol)

WI has full early voting going until 11/4.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on November 01, 2016, 02:16:29 PM
What am I missing about that Georgia number? Because that shift is well insane.

https://public.tableau.com/profile/john8765#!/vizhome/2016EarlyVotingasof102216/Dashboard

These numbers are stale, but a week ago, it seems like very strong GOP turnout in North Georgia which favors Trump. Potentially leading to low election day turnout.

And as elsewhere nationally, Black share of vote is down.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: swf541 on November 01, 2016, 02:16:42 PM
Some really great swings in VA and WI


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Brittain33 on November 01, 2016, 02:16:48 PM
What am I missing about that Georgia number? Because that shift is well insane.

Hard to say, since I think the states with asterisks are derived from TargetSmart modeling since those states don't release party info about early voters.

It must be. VA doesn't even have registration by party.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: JerryArkansas on November 01, 2016, 02:16:59 PM
are those numbers valid? do all those midwestern states have full early voting?

otherwise i can't understand why the dems should surge in WI and MI. (even absentee-kingdom PA lol)
No, PA has strict absentee voting, while Michigan has excused Absentee, and one of those excuses is being over I think 50.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: windjammer on November 01, 2016, 02:17:42 PM
Mark Murray ‏@mmurraypolitics  2m2 minutes ago
Comparing 2012 vs. 2016 in early vote by party affiliation -- one week out before election, via NBC/TargetSmart

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Wow, good news for dems


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on November 01, 2016, 02:18:16 PM
why hasn't their been more conversations about Michigan Democrats just decimating Michigan Republicans this year?? Am i missing something?

Like GA, I believe this is a model result, not actual released data.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: swf541 on November 01, 2016, 02:19:35 PM
why hasn't their been more conversations about Michigan Democrats just decimating Michigan Republicans this year?? Am i missing something?

Like GA, I believe this is a model result, not actual released data.

Ok, that makes  alot more sense now


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: bilaps on November 01, 2016, 02:20:00 PM
why hasn't their been more conversations about Michigan Democrats just decimating Michigan Republicans this year?? Am i missing something?

if trump is going to have any chance of beating hillary in MI, he will have a big number of those D especially men voting for him. so it isn't a big deal this.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: PresidentTRUMP on November 01, 2016, 02:29:43 PM
why hasn't their been more conversations about Michigan Democrats just decimating Michigan Republicans this year?? Am i missing something?

if trump is going to have any chance of beating hillary in MI, he will have a big number of those D especially men voting for him. so it isn't a big deal this.

Agreed. Trump's only chance in Michigan is to win a ton of white blue collar male voters who always vote D but like Trumps message on trade for that state and bringing manufacturing jobs back. He would have to win a ton of those type of voters to squeak out a win there.

You would think his message would be ideal for a state like Michigan. Again the wild card will be does the AA vote significantly drop in cities like Detroit or not.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on November 01, 2016, 02:37:45 PM
MI is in a better shape than usually thought and is less stereotypical midwest today.

OH is and stays ground-zero.

what makes me crazy is that we assume, MI union-voters want to double down on union-death.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on November 01, 2016, 02:41:06 PM
Mark Murray ‏@mmurraypolitics  2m2 minutes ago
Comparing 2012 vs. 2016 in early vote by party affiliation -- one week out before election, via NBC/TargetSmart

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Wow, good news for dems

That looks really good, wow!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on November 01, 2016, 02:43:45 PM
However, I would see if Obama could stay in FL for the remaining 6 days of campaigning. We need an African-American voter push and he's the man


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on November 01, 2016, 02:50:04 PM
Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports  3m3 minutes ago
Turnout going to be low today in Clark, but maybe better than Mon. 5,600 had voted by 11. Was 4,500 on Mon. I bet Dems are nervous.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on November 01, 2016, 02:53:13 PM
Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports  3m3 minutes ago
Turnout going to be low today in Clark, but maybe better than Mon. 5,600 had voted by 11. Was 4,500 on Mon. I bet Dems are nervous.

He's already said he banked on today being low, due to historic trends in EV there. He's not forecasting with that last phrase, he's trolling. That's not to say the numbers will or won't end up okay by week's end, but he's having fun right now.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Yank2133 on November 01, 2016, 02:55:36 PM
Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports  3m3 minutes ago
Turnout going to be low today in Clark, but maybe better than Mon. 5,600 had voted by 11. Was 4,500 on Mon. I bet Dems are nervous.

He's already said he banked on today being low, due to historic trends in EV there. He's not forecasting with that last phrase, he's trolling. That's not to say the numbers will or won't end up okay by week's end, but he's having fun right now.

And it will work too.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on November 01, 2016, 03:10:05 PM
Quote
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  2m2 minutes ago
NV #earlyvote update: all counties now up-to-date (finally), Dem lead down to +6.1. This is the direction Trump needs

https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/793545012038340611


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on November 01, 2016, 03:10:27 PM
Over 27 Million people have now voted, according to electproject.org


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: swf541 on November 01, 2016, 03:19:35 PM
Quote
Michael McDonald ‏@ElectProject  2m2 minutes ago
NV #earlyvote update: all counties now up-to-date (finally), Dem lead down to +6.1. This is the direction Trump needs

https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/793545012038340611

He needs alot more than that


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: SunSt0rm on November 01, 2016, 03:33:04 PM
Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports  3m3 minutes ago
Turnout going to be low today in Clark, but maybe better than Mon. 5,600 had voted by 11. Was 4,500 on Mon. I bet Dems are nervous.

Turnout today was lower in 2012 than on monday in 2012

http://nvsos.gov/sos/home/showdocument?id=2503


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on November 01, 2016, 04:03:03 PM
The Early Vote In Nevada Suggests Clinton Might Beat Her Polls There, 538 (http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-early-vote-in-nevada-suggests-clinton-might-beat-her-polls-there/?ex_cid=2016-forecast)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gamgubben on November 01, 2016, 04:16:54 PM
Hi all, new poster here.

Looking good for HRC as far as I can see, hope she wins.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on November 01, 2016, 04:17:28 PM
Iowa absentee ballot stats, 11/1

Ballots requested:

DEM: 252,589
GOP: 202,634
IND: 136,250
Other: 1,962

Ballots cast:

DEM: 205,540
GOP: 162,467
IND: 102,623
Other: 1,455

Dem ballot request lead stays around 50K and their overall vote lead is 43K. I'd say a little below par


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: swf541 on November 01, 2016, 04:17:37 PM
Hi all, new poster here.

Looking good for HRC as far as I can see, hope she wins.

Nice to see a new poster and welcome, and i hope she wins too.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on November 01, 2016, 04:18:02 PM
Hi all, new poster here.

Looking good for HRC as far as I can see, hope she wins.

Welcome! Same. Make sure to get everyone out to vote.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on November 01, 2016, 04:19:19 PM
crazry how lazy those dems are in IA/FL with returning those requested ballots.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: swf541 on November 01, 2016, 04:21:58 PM
crazry how lazy those dems are in IA/FL with returning those requested ballots.

Its gotten quite ridiculous


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on November 01, 2016, 04:35:38 PM
Bradd Jaffy ‏@BraddJaffy  3h3 hours ago
In nearly every battleground state, early voting in 2016 is higher than it was at a similar point in 2012, except for Iowa

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on November 01, 2016, 04:36:18 PM
Oct. 30, 2012—13,519,140 votes had been cast 1 week till Election Day

Nov. 1, 2016—26,236,246 votes have been cast 1 week till Election Day

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"One Week Before Election Day, Early Voting Is Nearly Twice as High as 2012"

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/fbi-2016-election-confidence-deficit-n676171


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: OneJ on November 01, 2016, 04:39:22 PM
Oct. 30, 2012—13,519,140 votes had been cast 1 week till Election Day

Nov. 1, 2016—26,236,246 votes have been cast 1 week till Election Day

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"One Week Before Election Day, Early Voting Is Nearly Twice as High as 2012"

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/fbi-2016-election-confidence-deficit-n676171

Awesome! I love seeing a high turnout election.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on November 01, 2016, 04:44:31 PM
A twofold increase? Wow. This is big.

Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports  3m3 minutes ago
Turnout going to be low today in Clark, but maybe better than Mon. 5,600 had voted by 11. Was 4,500 on Mon. I bet Dems are nervous.

Turnout today was lower in 2012 than on monday in 2012

http://nvsos.gov/sos/home/showdocument?id=2503

What the hell does that even mean? ???


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on November 01, 2016, 04:48:37 PM
Steve Schale ‏@steveschale  3m3 minutes ago
Through Mon's votes, share of the FL electorate that is black (African American & Hispanic) is now 11.7%, and growing. 1/

Steve Schale ‏@steveschale  1m1 minute ago
African American share was like 8 when in-person early voting started. 2/

Steve Schale ‏@steveschale  1m1 minute ago
FL Hispanics are now closing in on being 14% of the electorate, driven by huge numbers of low propensity Hispanic Dems/NPA 3/

Steve Schale ‏@steveschale  22s23 seconds ago
51% of Hispanic Dems are either first time or 1 of 3 voters, and 57% of Hispanic NPAs. There is definitely a Hispanic surge happening. 4/

Steve Schale ‏@steveschale  38s38 seconds ago
Moreover, now almost 31% of all Dems voted are "low propensity" compared to about 25% of GOP, in real people, a 90K edge 5/


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on November 01, 2016, 04:51:10 PM
Steve Schale ‏@steveschale  3m3 minutes ago
Through Mon's votes, share of the FL electorate that is black (African American & Hispanic) is now 11.7%, and growing. 1/

Steve Schale ‏@steveschale  1m1 minute ago
African American share was like 8 when in-person early voting started. 2/

Steve Schale ‏@steveschale  1m1 minute ago
FL Hispanics are now closing in on being 14% of the electorate, driven by huge numbers of low propensity Hispanic Dems/NPA 3/

Steve Schale ‏@steveschale  22s23 seconds ago
51% of Hispanic Dems are either first time or 1 of 3 voters, and 57% of Hispanic NPAs. There is definitely a Hispanic surge happening. 4/

Steve Schale ‏@steveschale  38s38 seconds ago
Moreover, now almost 31% of all Dems voted are "low propensity" compared to about 25% of GOP, in real people, a 90K edge 5/

African Americans are 13% of the Florida electorate. If they can get back to that number, we are OK in FL


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on November 01, 2016, 04:55:27 PM
Steve Schale ‏@steveschale  45s45 seconds ago
There is still a lot of work to do. There almost 80K more Democrats with VBM ballots on their couches than GOP. [6]/

Steve Schale ‏@steveschale  22s22 seconds ago
And more of our VBM ballot holders are "low propensity" 7/

Steve Schale ‏@steveschale  1m1 minute ago
But there are as many if not more Dems who voted in 2012 yet to vote than Republicans. And more Dems with VBM than Republicans... 8/

Steve Schale ‏@steveschale  22s23 seconds ago
And more "low propensity" Dems voting than GOP...and the electorate is trending more diverse than 2012... 9/

Steve Schale ‏@steveschale  5s5 seconds ago
In other words, Dems, Florida is right there.  Now go to @HillaryforFL & help her get it across the line.  She wins her[e], and it is over. 10/


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on November 01, 2016, 04:55:39 PM
Oct. 30, 2012—13,519,140 votes had been cast 1 week till Election Day

Nov. 1, 2016—26,236,246 votes have been cast 1 week till Election Day

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"One Week Before Election Day, Early Voting Is Nearly Twice as High as 2012"

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/fbi-2016-election-confidence-deficit-n676171

Wait so over 32 million ballots were cast in the last week of 2012? That seems super high.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: QE on November 01, 2016, 04:56:51 PM
Mook says that "door knocks last weekend in PA were up 261% from same weekend in 2012; 108% in OH"

- can't link yet, but I saw it on Twitter.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: izixs on November 01, 2016, 05:00:44 PM
If those numbers are right, then turnout is already about half of the total vote from 2004 in Florida and not far behind 2008 and 2012.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: alomas on November 01, 2016, 05:02:40 PM
About turnout - do not forget that the number of people living in US has increased by 10 million since 2012 :)

Florida looking good for Trump. In 2012 Democrats beat Republicans by 3 points in early voting while this year R are actually edging D so far. Romney reduced the margin by 2 points on election day.

Similar with North Carolina. Democrats won EV 2:1 in 2012 while this year their advantage is 3-4 points less. A bigger turnout may sound good and "reduce" the deficit but they are reports that black turnout has dropped a few points.

Arizona is also looking favourably for Trump. I read he is 5 points ahead in EV now (it was 3.5 earlier). Yes, it is behind their 2012 total but that gives him a 5 point with probably 70+% already cast. Obama barely gained anything on election day.

I don't know about Nevada but it looks good for Clinton as she is doing similar to 2012 (Obama won the state by almost 7 points). I don't know about the drop-off this week but so far it is trending her way.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: IceSpear on November 01, 2016, 05:08:36 PM
Mook says that "door knocks last weekend in PA were up 261% from same weekend in 2012; 108% in OH"

- can't link yet, but I saw it on Twitter.

I'll be joining them this weekend. :)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on November 01, 2016, 05:09:22 PM
Mook says that "door knocks last weekend in PA were up 261% from same weekend in 2012; 108% in OH"

- can't link yet, but I saw it on Twitter.

I'll be joining them this weekend. :)

Doing the same with my partner in WI.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on November 01, 2016, 05:10:16 PM
About turnout - do not forget that the number of people living in US has increased by 10 million since 2012 :)

Florida looking good for Trump. In 2012 Democrats beat Republicans by 3 points in early voting while this year R are actually edging D so far. Romney reduced the margin by 2 points on election day.


Similar with North Carolina. Democrats won EV 2:1 in 2012 while this year their advantage is 3-4 points less. A bigger turnout may sound good and "reduce" the deficit but they are reports that black turnout has dropped a few points.

Arizona is also looking favourably for Trump. I read he is 5 points ahead in EV now (it was 3.5 earlier). Yes, it is behind their 2012 total but that gives him a 5 point with probably 70+% already cast. Obama barely gained anything on election day.

I don't know about Nevada but it looks good for Clinton as she is doing similar to 2012 (Obama won the state by almost 7 points). I don't know about the drop-off this week but so far it is trending her way.

Obama actually won the entirety of the early vote by 67K when VBM was included, IIRC. He won the state by 64K. He won in person early voting by 200K (1.35M to 1.15M and lost VBM by about 133K or 5%). Right now FL very slightly tilts Republican but if Clinton's team gets half of those 80K VBM ballot gap reduced, she'll expand the in-person early vote lead substantially on the final weekend, and ta-da, FL is Lean D again with more fewer voters available to cast ballots.

In NC, there's been a slight uptick of African-American voters, and they'll have to pick it up significantly to win the state. Relying on college-educated whites to carry that state is a dangerous game.

Romney won the early vote by 14 points with a 10 point edge in party ID. I think the state will slip from Clinton as things go along though, even though the current extrapolation has AZ close. Still too much of a Republican lead in overall registered voters to swing it, I think

Nevada looks solid for Clinton at this point


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Mehmentum on November 01, 2016, 05:10:37 PM
About turnout - do not forget that the number of people living in US has increased by 10 million since 2012 :)

Florida looking good for Trump. In 2012 Democrats beat Republicans by 3 points in early voting while this year R are actually edging D so far. Romney reduced the margin by 2 points on election day.

Similar with North Carolina. Democrats won EV 2:1 in 2012 while this year their advantage is 3-4 points less. A bigger turnout may sound good and "reduce" the deficit but they are reports that black turnout has dropped a few points.
A.) You can't compare Florida to 2012 since early voting laws have changed since then.  2008 had a similar voting period to 2016, and that compares favorably for the Democrats, if I remember correctly.

B.) Both Florida and North Carolina have had a rush of Dixiecrats (straight ticket Republicans who are still registered as Democrats), who've finally gotten around to changing their party registration.  So even though Democrats are doing slightly worse, this could be entirely illusory.



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: henster on November 01, 2016, 05:27:44 PM
So Hillary is personally headed to Detroit not a surrogate on Fri. for EV rally.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: alomas on November 01, 2016, 05:29:24 PM
Obama actually won the entirety of the early vote by 67K when VBM was included, IIRC. He won the state by 64K. He won in person early voting by 200K (1.35M to 1.15M and lost VBM by about 133K or 5%).
Are you sure about Florida? I read Democrats cast close to 250,000 more ballots than Republicans in 2012 while currently we have a Republican edge there.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on November 01, 2016, 05:37:23 PM
TargetSmart ‏@_TargetSmart  5m5 minutes ago
In '12, Hispanic voters accounted for roughly 10% of the early vote one week ahead of the election. This year, 14%. http://www.nbcnews.com/card/hispanics-make-greater-share-florida-early-vote-2016-n676486?cid=eml_onsite …

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: QE on November 01, 2016, 05:38:22 PM
So Hillary is personally headed to Detroit not a surrogate on Fri. for EV rally.

She's playing prevent defense. This state is being swarmed by Trump and his ilk all week. Ivanka, Eric and Donald Jr. are all making stops here. Trump himself was just here yesterday. I think they know PA is unlikely to flip, so they need a game-changer in MI, WI, CO or VA.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on November 01, 2016, 05:42:07 PM
TargetSmart ‏@_TargetSmart  5m5 minutes ago
In '12, Hispanic voters accounted for roughly 10% of the early vote one week ahead of the election. This year, 14%. http://www.nbcnews.com/card/hispanics-make-greater-share-florida-early-vote-2016-n676486?cid=eml_onsite …

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Now that is great news for Clinton! I can't see her lose the state if Hispanics are up that much.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on November 01, 2016, 05:47:36 PM
TargetSmart ‏@_TargetSmart  5m5 minutes ago
In '12, Hispanic voters accounted for roughly 10% of the early vote one week ahead of the election. This year, 14%. http://www.nbcnews.com/card/hispanics-make-greater-share-florida-early-vote-2016-n676486?cid=eml_onsite …

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Reassuring perspective given the Black turnout drop...

I did the math, assume Whites gave Ds 35% each year, Blacks 95% to Obama, 90% to Clinton (conservative worst case), 60% Hispanics to Obama, and 70% Hispanics to Clinton...

Overall, with that, Clinton on track with Obama 2012 at worst.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Yank2133 on November 01, 2016, 05:48:43 PM
So Hillary is personally headed to Detroit not a surrogate on Fri. for EV rally.

She's playing prevent defense. This state is being swarmed by Trump and his ilk all week. Ivanka, Eric and Donald Jr. are all making stops here. Trump himself was just here yesterday. I think they know PA is unlikely to flip, so they need a game-changer in MI, WI, CO or VA.

That and they need to rally AA voters, they are slagging a bit with them.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Storebought on November 01, 2016, 05:50:05 PM
TargetSmart ‏@_TargetSmart  5m5 minutes ago
In '12, Hispanic voters accounted for roughly 10% of the early vote one week ahead of the election. This year, 14%. http://www.nbcnews.com/card/hispanics-make-greater-share-florida-early-vote-2016-n676486?cid=eml_onsite …

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Now that is great news for Clinton! I can't see her lose the state if Hispanics are up that much.

Hispanic voters aren't as partisan Democrat as black voters.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on November 01, 2016, 05:51:39 PM
TargetSmart ‏@_TargetSmart  5m5 minutes ago
In '12, Hispanic voters accounted for roughly 10% of the early vote one week ahead of the election. This year, 14%. http://www.nbcnews.com/card/hispanics-make-greater-share-florida-early-vote-2016-n676486?cid=eml_onsite …

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Now that is great news for Clinton! I can't see her lose the state if Hispanics are up that much.

Hispanic voters aren't as partisan Democrat as black voters.

They're still getting pretty partisan this cycle, if Latino-specific polls are to be believed.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Maxwell on November 01, 2016, 05:54:04 PM
I think a 40% bump in Hispanics will likely make up for a 10% drop in blacks, but obviously we won't know that until election day.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on November 01, 2016, 05:54:38 PM
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Nate Cohn Retweeted
 Jonathan Martin ‏@jmartNYT  33m33 minutes ago

Hillary playing some prevent defense: going to Detroit on Friday, first time to MI in weeks.  Why?  Need to rally Af-Am voters.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: fldemfunds on November 01, 2016, 05:57:04 PM
Obama actually won the entirety of the early vote by 67K when VBM was included, IIRC. He won the state by 64K. He won in person early voting by 200K (1.35M to 1.15M and lost VBM by about 133K or 5%).
Are you sure about Florida? I read Democrats cast close to 250,000 more ballots than Republicans in 2012 while currently we have a Republican edge there.

There was a massive sorting affect in Florida this cycle because of Trump. About 300,000 to 400,000 people switched to GOP to vote in the primary. (Source: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/d1c611a35aa5488789e0ad0cf4f2e818/gop-gains-ground-dems-voter-registration-key-states). However, approximately 3/4 of new registrations have been non-white voters since August, and half have been non-white since 2012. (Source: http://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2016/08/increase-in-minority-voters-poses-problem-for-trump-in-florida-104717)

The thing with those people who switched from Democrat to Republican is THAT THEY WERE NOT VOTING FOR DEMOCRATS. They hadn't since 1964 (maybe Carter). They weren't Democrats. So even though Democrats would constantly go into election day with a 4-6% lead in turnout according to registration, it was closer to 1% actual votes cast.

But if you look at who has registered (and turned out) among new registrants, whether Democrat or NPA, they are largely either young or Hispanic and lean Democrat. So while the turnout by registration has leveled off for Democrats, when you include NPAs into consideration, Democrats have added probably 5-6% of cushion on their margin from 2012.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on November 01, 2016, 06:00:51 PM
Hi all, new poster here.

Looking good for HRC as far as I can see, hope she wins.

Welcome to the forum!!!!

Looking forward to seeing your contributions to the best US election forum on the internet, but be warned, sometimes we need to have tough skins around here, since occasionally people tend to get a bit worked up. ;)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on November 01, 2016, 06:02:12 PM
TargetSmart ‏@_TargetSmart  5m5 minutes ago
In '12, Hispanic voters accounted for roughly 10% of the early vote one week ahead of the election. This year, 14%. http://www.nbcnews.com/card/hispanics-make-greater-share-florida-early-vote-2016-n676486?cid=eml_onsite …

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That's way better than I thought we'd look at this point. Most of the "Hispanic surge" is non-Cuban voters who will go 3-1 Democratic. It looks like the final Florida electorate will be under 65% white when it is all said and done which means Clinton has a much better than even chance to win. If we can get African-American turnout back to 13%, with the expanded Hispanic turnout, Florida is blue


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on November 01, 2016, 06:07:51 PM
Obama actually won the entirety of the early vote by 67K when VBM was included, IIRC. He won the state by 64K. He won in person early voting by 200K (1.35M to 1.15M and lost VBM by about 133K or 5%).
Are you sure about Florida? I read Democrats cast close to 250,000 more ballots than Republicans in 2012 while currently we have a Republican edge there.

There was a massive sorting affect in Florida this cycle because of Trump. About 300,000 to 400,000 people switched to GOP to vote in the primary. (Source: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/d1c611a35aa5488789e0ad0cf4f2e818/gop-gains-ground-dems-voter-registration-key-states). However, approximately 3/4 of new registrations have been non-white voters since August, and half have been non-white since 2012. (Source: http://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2016/08/increase-in-minority-voters-poses-problem-for-trump-in-florida-104717)

The thing with those people who switched from Democrat to Republican is THAT THEY WERE NOT VOTING FOR DEMOCRATS. They hadn't since 1964 (maybe Carter). They weren't Democrats. So even though Democrats would constantly go into election day with a 4-6% lead in turnout according to registration, it was closer to 1% actual votes cast.

But if you look at who has registered (and turned out) among new registrants, whether Democrat or NPA, they are largely either young or Hispanic and lean Democrat. So while the turnout by registration has leveled off for Democrats, when you include NPAs into consideration, Democrats have added probably 5-6% of cushion on their margin from 2012.

Where is the specific quote of 300-400k switching?

https://electionsmith.wordpress.com/2016/10/15/the-last-word-on-voter-registration-numbers-in-florida/

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The balance –some 97k voters — accounting for Republicans closing the statewide voter registration lead held by Democrats is due to party-switching.

Daniel Smith finds that the big Dem drop is mostly old Dems dying or being inactive. There are some switchers, but not a huge amount.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on November 01, 2016, 06:09:48 PM
Bradd Jaffy ‏@BraddJaffy  3h3 hours ago
In nearly every battleground state, early voting in 2016 is higher than it was at a similar point in 2012, except for Iowa

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Wow!

Thanks for sharing Ozy (If I may call you that),

What's really crazy is this indicates that Floridians are early voting at 2x the numbers from 2012.

Regardless of how this crazy elections turns out, and personally can't wait for this debacle to be over, it is a good time for democracy when you see high turnout elections regardless of the final results.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on November 01, 2016, 06:18:00 PM
Wow!

Thanks for sharing Ozy (If I may call you that)

By all means!

What's really crazy is this indicates that Floridians are early voting at 2x the numbers from 2012.

Think that's both because:

(1) Obama did so well in FL early voting in 2008 that Reps cut back days AND hours in 2012, which led to huge lines, causing an outcry, resulting in restoration of 2008-like early voting in 2016

(2) Florida making their vote-by-mail requests easier starting in 2014 by letting you check a box on the ballot so that you could receive the next absentee ballot automatically


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on November 01, 2016, 06:18:07 PM
TargetSmart ‏@_TargetSmart  5m5 minutes ago
In '12, Hispanic voters accounted for roughly 10% of the early vote one week ahead of the election. This year, 14%. http://www.nbcnews.com/card/hispanics-make-greater-share-florida-early-vote-2016-n676486?cid=eml_onsite …

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That's way better than I thought we'd look at this point. Most of the "Hispanic surge" is non-Cuban voters who will go 3-1 Democratic. It looks like the final Florida electorate will be under 65% white when it is all said and done which means Clinton has a much better than even chance to win. If we can get African-American turnout back to 13%, with the expanded Hispanic turnout, Florida is blue

We need to summon Arch to talk about the "Angry Puerto Ricans" in Florida and maybe take that awesome time-scale image that he has of out-migration from the Island over the past four decades, with maybe another awesome image that shows the growth of Puerto Rican populations in Florida. ;)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on November 01, 2016, 06:18:39 PM
Whether Nate Silver wants to be extra cautious so that we "Don't read too much into the early voting", it does correlate highly with the result.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/11/01/early-voters-predict-who-wins-this-is-good-news-for-democrats/

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Virginiá on November 01, 2016, 06:25:37 PM
Mook says that "door knocks last weekend in PA were up 261% from same weekend in 2012; 108% in OH"

- can't link yet, but I saw it on Twitter.

I'll be joining them this weekend. :)

Doing the same with my partner in WI.

I've been pulling shifts almost every day now for over a week and a half. I think I've reminded at least 20 - 25 people with absentee ballots to send them in, though whether or not they did is anyone's guess.

Lack of enthusiasm in the local African American neighborhoods is palpable, though.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on November 01, 2016, 06:26:02 PM
TargetSmart ‏@_TargetSmart  5m5 minutes ago
In '12, Hispanic voters accounted for roughly 10% of the early vote one week ahead of the election. This year, 14%. http://www.nbcnews.com/card/hispanics-make-greater-share-florida-early-vote-2016-n676486?cid=eml_onsite …

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That's way better than I thought we'd look at this point. Most of the "Hispanic surge" is non-Cuban voters who will go 3-1 Democratic. It looks like the final Florida electorate will be under 65% white when it is all said and done which means Clinton has a much better than even chance to win. If we can get African-American turnout back to 13%, with the expanded Hispanic turnout, Florida is blue

We need to summon Arch to talk about the "Angry Puerto Ricans" in Florida and maybe take that awesome time-scale image that he has of out-migration from the Island over the past four decades, with maybe another awesome image that shows the growth of Puerto Rican populations in Florida. ;)

Oh, we are ANGRY and likely to vote by a bit more than 3-1 against Trump. And yes, if unaccounted for, the polls are missing a huge chunk of new Puerto Rican voters in the state who are casting their votes for the first time. Here is the image you referenced:

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Then we can cross-reference that population loss with Hispanic population growth in FL by county in recent years.

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I would point out that a good chunk of that population movement is to the Orlando and Tampa city areas with some other counties to the side near Jacksonville and Tallahassee. Looking at the FL map above, you can extrapolate the changes that might have been missed.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on November 01, 2016, 06:30:02 PM
Mook says that "door knocks last weekend in PA were up 261% from same weekend in 2012; 108% in OH"

- can't link yet, but I saw it on Twitter.

I'll be joining them this weekend. :)

Doing the same with my partner in WI.

I've been pulling shifts almost every day now for over a week and a half. I think I've reminded at least 20 - 25 people with absentee ballots to send them in, though whether or not they did is anyone's guess.

Lack of enthusiasm in the local African American neighborhoods is palpable, though.


Compared to Obama (which is OK) or compared to Gore/Kerry (which is not OK)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Virginiá on November 01, 2016, 06:34:05 PM
Compared to Obama (which is OK) or compared to Gore/Kerry (which is not OK)

I'm not sure. This is my first election that I've canvassed in. It's not that they aren't voting - it seems like all the older (30 - 35+) African Americans I've talked to are definitely voting.. it's the younger ones. I have noticed a steep decline in interest between knocking on a middle+ age black voter's door and a <30 door. It doesn't seem like they are against Hillary, but they just seem really turned off to the whole thing. However, most of them said they were going to vote, but it sounded to me like a 50/50 or maybe 60/40 chance that they vote as opposed to 80/20 for the older folks.


@Arch: aren't many non-Cuban hispanics registered as independent/non-affiliated? I haven't kept track of those statistics but as I understand it, many Puerto Ricans have not associated with either party officially but still lean heavily Democratic. Combined with the Dem-Rep registration changes, that may mean things are rosier for Democrats in FL than early voting stats would suggest. Especially since we're going to have a good deal more Cubans voting for Clinton this year.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on November 01, 2016, 06:34:37 PM
Early voting update from CNN, mostly stuff we know.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/01/politics/early-voting-update-black-vote-decreasing/index.html



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on November 01, 2016, 06:53:22 PM
TargetSmart ‏@_TargetSmart  5m5 minutes ago
In '12, Hispanic voters accounted for roughly 10% of the early vote one week ahead of the election. This year, 14%. http://www.nbcnews.com/card/hispanics-make-greater-share-florida-early-vote-2016-n676486?cid=eml_onsite …

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That's way better than I thought we'd look at this point. Most of the "Hispanic surge" is non-Cuban voters who will go 3-1 Democratic. It looks like the final Florida electorate will be under 65% white when it is all said and done which means Clinton has a much better than even chance to win. If we can get African-American turnout back to 13%, with the expanded Hispanic turnout, Florida is blue

We need to summon Arch to talk about the "Angry Puerto Ricans" in Florida and maybe take that awesome time-scale image that he has of out-migration from the Island over the past four decades, with maybe another awesome image that shows the growth of Puerto Rican populations in Florida. ;)

Oh, we are ANGRY and likely to vote by a bit more than 3-1 against Trump. And yes, if unaccounted for, the polls are missing a huge chunk of new Puerto Rican voters in the state who are casting their votes for the first time. Here is the image you referenced:

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Then we can cross-reference that population loss with Hispanic population growth in FL by county in recent years.

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I would point out that a good chunk of that population movement is to the Orlando and Tampa city areas with some other counties to the side near Jacksonville and Tallahassee. Looking at the FL map above, you can extrapolate the changes that might have been missed.

Hmmm... that's really interesting, especially the surge in Latinos in the Jacksonville area, as well as the Florida panhandle.

Now, Orlando has long been on the radar with changing demographics and massive growth of the Puerto Ricano Comunidad, as well as Tampa area, but was quite surprised to see the map in parts of North Florida in terms of an overall percentage of the Latino population.

So, has there been a major increase in Puerto Ricans moving into Jacksonville & the Panhandle, or is more a factor of counties with smaller Latino populations increasing at greater % numbers than many other counties in the state?

Am also curious about how the Florida map matches with increased voter registration and EV numbers in heavily Latino counties in the state, just like some of the interesting numbers out of Tejas....


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on November 01, 2016, 06:56:55 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/01/politics/early-voting-update-black-vote-decreasing/index.html

Arizona
- Republicans up 4% now, vs 10% in 2012 at this point.

Colorado
- Democrats up 2.4%, vs GOP 2.8% margin in 2012.
- The Dem advantage has been shrinking recently though.

Florida
- GOP up 8.8K, compared to in 2008, when Dems lead by 50K.
- Black vote down to 12% from 15%
- Latino up from 9.4% in 2008 to 14% today

Georgia
- Black vote at 31% now, vs 36% in 2012
- It's been creeping up, but needs to be much higher

Iowa
- Democrats led by 58,000 votes, an edge of nearly 12%, at this point in 2012.
- Today, they are up by nearly 42,000, or 9.3%.
- That's a drop in the Democratic lead of about 5 points over the last week.

Nevada
 - Democrats are 7.5 points ahead of Republicans, roughly where they were in 2012. And the Democratic lead has grown in recent days.

North Carolina

- For the first time this cycle, Democrats are ahead by more than 200,000 early votes, and they have a 13.4-percentage-point lead over Republicans.
- But that's still off the party's 2012 pace in a state Romney narrowly won: Four years ago, Democrats were up by 292,000 votes at this stage, or 17.9 points.
- The black vote is also down in the Tar Heel State. At this point in 2012, the electorate was 67% white and 28% black. Today, it is 73% white and 23% black.

Ohio
- The GOP has an edge over Democrats of 4.7% now, while Democrats held a very slight lead at this stage in 2008.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: fldemfunds on November 01, 2016, 07:19:34 PM
Obama actually won the entirety of the early vote by 67K when VBM was included, IIRC. He won the state by 64K. He won in person early voting by 200K (1.35M to 1.15M and lost VBM by about 133K or 5%).
Are you sure about Florida? I read Democrats cast close to 250,000 more ballots than Republicans in 2012 while currently we have a Republican edge there.

There was a massive sorting affect in Florida this cycle because of Trump. About 300,000 to 400,000 people switched to GOP to vote in the primary. (Source: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/d1c611a35aa5488789e0ad0cf4f2e818/gop-gains-ground-dems-voter-registration-key-states). However, approximately 3/4 of new registrations have been non-white voters since August, and half have been non-white since 2012. (Source: http://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2016/08/increase-in-minority-voters-poses-problem-for-trump-in-florida-104717)

The thing with those people who switched from Democrat to Republican is THAT THEY WERE NOT VOTING FOR DEMOCRATS. They hadn't since 1964 (maybe Carter). They weren't Democrats. So even though Democrats would constantly go into election day with a 4-6% lead in turnout according to registration, it was closer to 1% actual votes cast.

But if you look at who has registered (and turned out) among new registrants, whether Democrat or NPA, they are largely either young or Hispanic and lean Democrat. So while the turnout by registration has leveled off for Democrats, when you include NPAs into consideration, Democrats have added probably 5-6% of cushion on their margin from 2012.

Where is the specific quote of 300-400k switching?

https://electionsmith.wordpress.com/2016/10/15/the-last-word-on-voter-registration-numbers-in-florida/

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The balance –some 97k voters — accounting for Republicans closing the statewide voter registration lead held by Democrats is due to party-switching.

Daniel Smith finds that the big Dem drop is mostly old Dems dying or being inactive. There are some switchers, but not a huge amount.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/republicans-voter-registration-gains-probably-arent-gains-at-all/

60% of the approximately 300k narrowing is attributable to party switching. I don't think analysis includes NPA to GOP. My estimate of 300k is probably on the higher end, it is probably closer to 200-250k.

Another estimate: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/sfl-by-the-numbers-the-trump-effect-in-florida-20160325-htmlstory.html

38 out of every 10,000 (and there were approximately 5 million dems) puts it at roughly 200k.

Even given this slightly lower number, my substantive point still stands. 200k voters left the party for our opposing major party (representing most of the registration-turnout gap from 2012). NPA registration has heavily skewed Democratic. Given these two factors, two things are true: 1) partisan turnout is significantly more reflective of the actual vote in Florida, and 2) NPA votes are probably breaking to Hillary by a pretty decent margin (my guess is 55-45 on the slightly conservative side).

When you combine these two realities, there's not much stopping you from concluding that HRC's lead is probably around 5% right now with the turnout numbers being what they are


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on November 01, 2016, 07:38:47 PM
Consider this the *VERY* early vote for 2032 ;)

southpaw ‏@nycsouthpaw  28m28 minutes ago
Scholastic poll of 153,000 K-12 students (Clinton 52% - Trump 35%) suggests, perhaps, the GOP's future predicament. http://election.scholastic.com/vote/

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: riceowl on November 01, 2016, 07:41:12 PM
dat Louisiana Purchase doe


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Virginiá on November 01, 2016, 07:43:32 PM
Consider this the *VERY* early vote for 2032 ;)

southpaw ‏@nycsouthpaw  28m28 minutes ago
Scholastic poll of 153,000 K-12 students (Clinton 52% - Trump 35%) suggests, perhaps, the GOP's future predicament. http://election.scholastic.com/vote/

...

Actually, based on the voting patterns of young adult Millennials over the past 15~ years, that looks pretty accurate (save for Idaho & Utah)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: IceSpear on November 01, 2016, 07:46:26 PM
I see the Racist WV Hicks have raised Racist WV Hicklings!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on November 01, 2016, 07:53:40 PM
27,741 people voted early in Broward County today, an increase of 2,586 from yesterday. Every little bit helps.

In Duval County, Republicans returned 585 more ballots than Democrats (combined VBM and in-person). The party breakdown in Duval is 43.5% R, 42.0% D (which I think is OK for us, Duval leans GOP)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on November 01, 2016, 08:01:29 PM
Any sign that the AA vote is beginning to catch up? I remember seeing that the % had increased in FL and NC, but can anyone say how much and if it's enough to limit the damage there?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on November 01, 2016, 08:01:52 PM
Steve Schale: Hillsborough had big day of VBM + EV. Over 25k.  Biggest day since mid-week last week


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gamgubben on November 01, 2016, 08:04:14 PM
So, to confirm where we are at the moment, CO and NV are looking really good, and FL is looking quite good?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: IceSpear on November 01, 2016, 08:06:09 PM
So, to confirm where we are at the moment, CO and NV are looking really good, and FL is looking quite good?

CO/NV look good for Dems, FL/NC can be spun in either direction, which probably means they're very close.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on November 01, 2016, 08:09:50 PM
Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports  32s32 seconds ago
29,000 had voted by 6 PM. Same as Monday. And that was a bad day for Dems. Just sayin'


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on November 01, 2016, 08:11:23 PM
Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports  32s32 seconds ago
29,000 had voted by 6 PM. Same as Monday. And that was a bad day for Dems. Just sayin'

What is he trying to say? I have no idea why he needs to be so pithy about this.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on November 01, 2016, 08:11:30 PM
Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports  32s32 seconds ago
29,000 had voted by 6 PM. Same as Monday. And that was a bad day for Dems. Just sayin'

Turnout was lower on the Tuesday before the election in 2012 than it is today


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on November 01, 2016, 08:12:50 PM
Computer models say Clinton is 90K ahead of Trump in FL, but there is a chance for Trump to make up the lost ground and win

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/computer-model-hillary-clinton-leads-donald-trump-by-nearly-90000-votes/2300967


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: alomas on November 01, 2016, 08:15:01 PM
Advantage Trump - NC, OH, IA, FL, AZ*
Advantage Clinton - CO, NV

* Clinton does better than Obama in AZ but not good enough to flip the state.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on November 01, 2016, 08:15:10 PM
Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports  32s32 seconds ago
29,000 had voted by 6 PM. Same as Monday. And that was a bad day for Dems. Just sayin'

What is he trying to say? I have no idea why he needs to be so pithy about this.

It amuses him. He tells it a lot straighter in his blogs or when asked by a journo. He's really not worth following during the day.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on November 01, 2016, 08:17:01 PM
Advantage Trump - NC, OH, IA, FL, AZ*
Advantage Clinton - CO, NV

* Clinton does better than Obama in AZ but not good enough to flip the state.

After looking at the demographic breakdown of the Florida early vote and that computer model, Florida is no better than a tossup for Trump


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on November 01, 2016, 08:17:54 PM
Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports  32s32 seconds ago
29,000 had voted by 6 PM. Same as Monday. And that was a bad day for Dems. Just sayin'

What is he trying to say? I have no idea why he needs to be so pithy about this.

By 6pm the same amt of people had voted - and that was a "bad" day for Dems yesterday. He mentioned that at the same point 4 years ago he expected today's numbers to be worse for Dems today but I guess they aren't.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on November 01, 2016, 08:19:36 PM
Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports  32s32 seconds ago
29,000 had voted by 6 PM. Same as Monday. And that was a bad day for Dems. Just sayin'

What is he trying to say? I have no idea why he needs to be so pithy about this.

By 6pm the same amt of people had voted - and that was a "bad" day for Dems yesterday. He mentioned that at the same point 4 years ago he expected today's numbers to be worse for Dems today but I guess they aren't.

So the bottom line is that Dems are outperforming expectation?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on November 01, 2016, 08:21:00 PM
Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports  32s32 seconds ago
29,000 had voted by 6 PM. Same as Monday. And that was a bad day for Dems. Just sayin'

What is he trying to say? I have no idea why he needs to be so pithy about this.

By 6pm the same amt of people had voted - and that was a "bad" day for Dems yesterday. He mentioned that at the same point 4 years ago he expected today's numbers to be worse for Dems today but I guess they aren't.

So the bottom line is that Dems are outperforming expectation?

Yes


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on November 01, 2016, 08:26:19 PM
Advantage Trump - NC, OH, IA, FL, AZ*
Advantage Clinton - CO, NV

* Clinton does better than Obama in AZ but not good enough to flip the state.

After looking at the demographic breakdown of the Florida early vote and that computer model, Florida is no better than a tossup for Trump

Florida and NC are open to interpretation..my opinion is that Hillary is slightly ahead in FL and growing.

I would add advantage Hillary for WI and VA as well.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Xing on November 01, 2016, 08:27:41 PM
I wouldn't say that Trump has the advantage in IA, so much as it looks like he's overperforming Romney. Remember that Obama won by 5.8%, so a slight improvement for Trump isn't going to be enough to flip it. FL looks very ambiguous right now.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: QE on November 01, 2016, 08:32:14 PM
Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports  32s32 seconds ago
29,000 had voted by 6 PM. Same as Monday. And that was a bad day for Dems. Just sayin'

What is he trying to say? I have no idea why he needs to be so pithy about this.

By 6pm the same amt of people had voted - and that was a "bad" day for Dems yesterday. He mentioned that at the same point 4 years ago he expected today's numbers to be worse for Dems today but I guess they aren't.

So the bottom line is that Dems are outperforming expectation?

Yes

Ralston is the best for NV politics, but once you get wind of his intentional fear mongering for his own amusement, it gets old really fast.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: alomas on November 01, 2016, 08:33:45 PM
I wouldn't say that Trump has the advantage in IA, so much as it looks like he's overperforming Romney. Remember that Obama won by 5.8%, so a slight improvement for Trump isn't going to be enough to flip it.
I disagree. He is running about 5 points better than Romney right now and the lower turnout means the numbers are smaller. That already cancels out the margin. And if Trump is much more competitive in early voting then it is hard to believe he would do worse than Romney on election day.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Maxwell on November 01, 2016, 08:44:58 PM
I wouldn't say that Trump has the advantage in IA, so much as it looks like he's overperforming Romney. Remember that Obama won by 5.8%, so a slight improvement for Trump isn't going to be enough to flip it. FL looks very ambiguous right now.

It seems to be more like Clinton under-performing Obama in Iowa.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: QE on November 01, 2016, 08:50:39 PM

Jon Ralston
‏@RalstonReports

Big GOP win again in Washoe today: 400 votes. Further erodes Dem margin. Down below 2,000.

D's - 3,529
R's - 3,923

Totals - 9,601


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on November 01, 2016, 08:52:01 PM

Jon Ralston
‏@RalstonReports

Big GOP win again in Washoe today: 400 votes. Further erodes Dem margin. Down below 2,000.

D's - 3,529
R's - 3,923

Totals - 9,601


Damn :(


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on November 01, 2016, 08:53:00 PM

Jon Ralston
‏@RalstonReports

Big GOP win again in Washoe today: 400 votes. Further erodes Dem margin. Down below 2,000.

D's - 3,529
R's - 3,923

Totals - 9,601


But, of course, that tweet was just Jon's irresistible urge to troll. The follow up:

@RalstonReports

Comparisons for Washoe (Reno) after 11 days of early voting:
2016: Dems +1,900
2012: Dems +300


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: swf541 on November 01, 2016, 08:53:12 PM

Jon Ralston
‏@RalstonReports

Big GOP win again in Washoe today: 400 votes. Further erodes Dem margin. Down below 2,000.

D's - 3,529
R's - 3,923

Totals - 9,601


Damn :(

Meh, wasnt this and yesterday some of the lowest dem days 4 years ago as well?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on November 01, 2016, 08:53:19 PM
Oh f**k.

Has Ralston said anything about what the NV numbers are likely to mean for Senate?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on November 01, 2016, 08:58:20 PM
fascinating how suddenly this pattern breaks down..... :) guess we should count on an equal margin.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on November 01, 2016, 08:58:29 PM
Oh f**k.

Has Ralston said anything about what the NV numbers are likely to mean for Senate?

He's said in the past that it's very close, 50-50 odds.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on November 01, 2016, 08:58:49 PM

Jon Ralston
‏@RalstonReports

Big GOP win again in Washoe today: 400 votes. Further erodes Dem margin. Down below 2,000.

D's - 3,529
R's - 3,923

Totals - 9,601


Damn :(

Meh, wasnt this and yesterday some of the lowest dem days 4 years ago as well?

Yes, but I'd like to see the democrats lead increase!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on November 01, 2016, 09:00:07 PM
Oh f**k.

Has Ralston said anything about what the NV numbers are likely to mean for Senate?

He's said in the past that it's very close, 50-50 odds.

I don't like this.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on November 01, 2016, 09:01:19 PM
Oh f**k.

Has Ralston said anything about what the NV numbers are likely to mean for Senate?
fascinating how suddenly this pattern breaks down..... :) guess we should count on an equal margin.

I think my post about his follow up tweet got lost in the mix. Per Ralston's cold-water follow up tweet,  after today, Dems are up 1,600 votes in Washoe from 2012.

Quote
@RalstonReports  12m12 minutes ago
Comparisons for Washoe (Reno) after 11 days of early voting:
2016: Dems +1,900
2012: Dems +300

Don't knee-jerk react to Ralston. He gets off on it.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on November 01, 2016, 09:02:43 PM
Oh! Good to know. :)

Let's hope Clark also has a good day.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on November 01, 2016, 09:03:06 PM
Oh f**k.

Has Ralston said anything about what the NV numbers are likely to mean for Senate?

nothing at all, since a clear dem victory in 2012 didn't saved the dem seat.....but he wrote that reid's successor is a better pick than the 2012 woman.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on November 01, 2016, 09:03:15 PM
Oh! A little better.

Let's hope Clark also has a good day.

We already know Clark is a good day. We just don't know by how much yet :)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: alomas on November 01, 2016, 09:07:32 PM
I'm sorry I have mistaken Iowa for Colorado. But it is still not enough, Trump is running 2-3 points better + lower turnout + most/half at worst vote on 8.11. He is also doing better among Indies than Romney.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: riceowl on November 01, 2016, 09:10:47 PM
Per Tom Bonier, 28% of Florida republicans are voting Clinton.
Still not really sure where he's getting his data...


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: izixs on November 01, 2016, 09:12:02 PM
I'm watching MSNBC and the fellow on there is talking about their poll. William and Mary I think he said was behind it.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on November 01, 2016, 09:13:21 PM
Per Tom Bonier, 28% of Florida republicans are voting Clinton.
Still not really sure where he's getting his data...

If this is true than Florida is likely for Clinton!!!!!!



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on November 01, 2016, 09:14:16 PM
Remember that a lot of registered Rs are Cubans who are averse to Trump in all sorts of ways. I've been saying this for a while.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: izixs on November 01, 2016, 09:14:53 PM
The bottom line stated for early voters had Clinton at 53%. Combined with likely voters she drops to 48% to 40%.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: fldemfunds on November 01, 2016, 09:15:19 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/_TargetSmart/status/793635374828363776?s=09

It's nice being right


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: swf541 on November 01, 2016, 09:15:33 PM
Oh f**k.

Has Ralston said anything about what the NV numbers are likely to mean for Senate?

nothing at all, since a clear dem victory in 2012 didn't saved the dem seat.....but he wrote that reid's successor is a better pick than the 2012 woman.

Yea, the dem senate canidate in 2012 was horrid and running against an incumbent


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: izixs on November 01, 2016, 09:17:58 PM
If these numbers are true, then yes, clearly a movement of Cubans towards Clinton here. But I wonder if ground game is a factor as well, and if so, how much?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on November 01, 2016, 09:26:23 PM
Oregon (Non-Swing State) Update:

34.4% of ballots are now counted as of 11/1, so a large surge since yesterday.

Dems still performing extremely well in Metro Portland (~55%+ of statewide votes):

Multnomah: EV (69-15-16 Dem-Rep-Ind) so Dems same, Reps -1 and Indies +1. RV (59-14-27)

Clackamas: EV (49-36-16 D-R-I) so (D) -1.5, (R) +1.5, (I) +1 RV (40-33-27)

Washington: EV (52-30-18 D-R-I) so (D) +2, (R) -8, (I) +6. RV (42-28-30)


Mid-Willamette Valley:

Yamhill- Democrats continue to lead in Republican Yamhill County
Marion- Democrats still lead, but has shrunk slightly in an Obama '08/Romney '12 County
Polk- Dems continue to lead in Republican Polk County
Linn- Republican voters lead in a heavily Rep County, but by much smaller margins than usual.
Benton- Dems dominating, Reps holding onto their RV #s, Indies still slow to vote
Lane- (57-29-12 D-R-I) vs RV (46-27-27). One of the few counties where Reps are outperforming their RV numbers in EV. Trump factor likely at work in small-town and rural Timber areas.

Coastal Oregon:

Columbia- EV (49-34-17) vs RV (39-31-30)
Dems are actually running +10% above county Reg numbers, versus negligible uptick for Rep numbers in what should be a White-Working-Class Trump type County that has been trending R.

Clatsop-  EV (50-31-19) vs RV (41-29-30)

Reps again under-performing in a WWC coastal county.

Tillamook- EV (48-36-16 D-R-I) vs RV (38-33-29) in a county that George Jr won back in the 2000s.

Lincoln- EV (51-30-19) vs RV (42-27-21). Heavily retiree county and WWC voters in logging and fishing.

Southern Oregon:


Coos County- Democrats still lead narrowly in a former New Deal Democratic Union county that hasn't voted Democrat for President since the Timber Wars of the 1990s.

Douglas- Republicans only ahead by +4k in EV in a +11k Rep county that voted 47% Dukakis in '88.

Jackson- Dems still hold a narrow lead in an Obama '08/Romney '12 County where Reps hold a +2k RV edge. County is a mix of rural, Timber, Middle-Class retirees, and a Uni town (Ashland) in the Southern part of the County.

Josephine- Numbers look stronger than average for Republicans comparing EV to RV, in a county that basically elected to disband their local law enforcement agencies back in 2014. (Sigh....). Love the county, but too many anti-tax Republican types have basically taken over the county over the past four decades. :(

Curry- Reps only up 500 EVs in a county where they hold a 2k RV lead in a county that is heavily local retirees (25%+ are 65+), but still has an active union timber mill, and is one of my many favorite places on the Oregon Coast.

Central/Eastern Oregon:

Haven't been heavily tracking OR-02 CD, but Deschutes County is basically tied, despite a R +3k RV lead. This county is on my flip list, with a large number of college educated Anglos and growing Latino population that went Obama '08/Romney '12.

Additionally, Wasco County numbers look decent for Dems for another flip, and even Umatilla County is starting to look like a potential flip with a very large and rapidly growing population of Latinos, of whom the majority are registered as Independents.

Bottom line, there appears to be an unprecedented lack of enthusiasm among Oregon Republicans, not only in the Metro-Portland area (Where Trump eked out a 55-57% win running unopposed), but more significantly in the small town and rural parts of Oregon heavily dependent upon Timber, Fishing, and Tourism, where one would imagine that Trump's economic message would play best (Looking at you Columbia, Tillamook, Linn, Coos, and Jackson Counties).

Anyways... most of y'all aren't likely interested in checking out my updates in Safe-D Oregon, but it actually gives me greater optimism in ME-02 that is very similar to many parts of my native state.






Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on November 01, 2016, 09:29:09 PM
Thanks for such a thorough update, NOVA! :) These numbers are indeed encouraging.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on November 01, 2016, 09:38:23 PM
This sounds good out of FL:

@joshuarhicks

@steveschale in other FLA news , Broward was stronger in turnout today & Palm Beach had their best EV day yet! still waiting on Miami-Dade.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on November 01, 2016, 09:43:12 PM
This sounds good out of FL:

@joshuarhicks

@steveschale in other FLA news , Broward was stronger in turnout today & Palm Beach had their best EV day yet! still waiting on Miami-Dade.

Beautiful


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Xing on November 01, 2016, 09:51:18 PM
But I thought we were wrong to be confident about Clinton in FL! Obviously, there's still a week to go, but the fact that a lot of Latinos in Florida might be voting for Hillary despite not being registered with either party, or even being registered as Republicans should help some red avatars relax a bit.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on November 01, 2016, 09:53:29 PM
daniel a. smith ‏@electionsmith
Turnout in Florida across all race/ethnicity is up relative to 2012, 8 days out:
Black up 49%
Hispanic up 152%
White up 72%

@paulythegun


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: JerryArkansas on November 01, 2016, 09:54:44 PM
I just saw a tweet which made me think about all the worry in Florida with black voters.  Turnout among them is up compared to 2012, however due to huge surge in both whites and Hispanics it isn't showing up in the percentages. 


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on November 01, 2016, 09:56:06 PM
Ralston:

Dems led by 300 votes in Washoe at this time in 2012
Dems lead by 1900 votes in Washoe now


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on November 01, 2016, 09:56:20 PM
I just saw a tweet which made me think about all the worry in Florida with black voters.  Turnout among them is up compared to 2012, however due to huge surge in both whites and Hispanics it isn't showing up in the percentages. 

If (***and only if***) the white growth is a split growth between educated and not, it's a great sign.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on November 01, 2016, 09:56:40 PM
If Tom Bonier is right (And I trust he is), it seems that pollsters trimming their samples to "extremely likely" voters end up missing out on a lot of low-propensity voters that tell pollsters they're not likely to vote but did go on to vote. These voters are much more likely to be Democratic.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on November 01, 2016, 09:56:48 PM
daniel a. smith ‏@electionsmith
Turnout in Florida across all race/ethnicity is up relative to 2012, 8 days out:
Black up 49%
Hispanic up 152%
White up 72%

@paulythegun

please no more florida in the bag for trump with this huge surfe in latino turnout


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on November 01, 2016, 09:57:07 PM
as i said.

black is up...all others are even more up.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on November 01, 2016, 09:57:31 PM
Wisconsin early vote so far: 51% Dem, 37% Rep. In 2012 it was: 46% Dem, 39% Rep
2012: 46% Dem, 39% Rep, 15% Other (231,000)
2016: 51% Dem, 37% Rep, 12% Other (446,000)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on November 01, 2016, 09:59:06 PM
Those WI numbers look good indeed.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: dspNY on November 01, 2016, 10:00:00 PM
daniel a. smith ‏@electionsmith
Turnout in Florida across all race/ethnicity is up relative to 2012, 8 days out:
Black up 49%
Hispanic up 152%
White up 72%

@paulythegun

please no more florida in the bag for trump with this huge surfe in latino turnout

If African-American turnout increases come close to white turnout increases then Florida is in the bag for Hillary


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Badger on November 01, 2016, 10:00:55 PM
Iowa absentee ballot stats, 11/1

Ballots requested:

DEM: 252,589
GOP: 202,634
IND: 136,250
Other: 1,962

Ballots cast:

DEM: 205,540
GOP: 162,467
IND: 102,623
Other: 1,455

Dem ballot request lead stays around 50K and their overall vote lead is 43K. I'd say a little below par

again, compare the difference in percentage rather than raw numbers to 2012. I believe Clinton is only nominally behind.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on November 01, 2016, 10:01:08 PM
what is the possible maximum for hispanic florida voting share....20%?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Storebought on November 01, 2016, 10:02:03 PM
If early vote results are available for Ohio please report them.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on November 01, 2016, 10:05:20 PM
If early vote results are available for Ohio please report them.

I'm afraid I haven't seen much today, but that's one state where I don't have any of the connections. Hopefully we'll hear soon.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Maxwell on November 01, 2016, 10:06:38 PM
Wisconsin early vote so far: 51% Dem, 37% Rep. In 2012 it was: 46% Dem, 39% Rep
2012: 46% Dem, 39% Rep, 15% Other (231,000)
2016: 51% Dem, 37% Rep, 12% Other (446,000)

relax bruh - it's all Trump Dems folks!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Xing on November 01, 2016, 10:14:28 PM
Do people really think that Hillary is in danger of losing Wisconsin? If Marquette somehow shows a tied race or Trump ahead, then there might be cause for concern, but it seems like all the talk about Wisconsin being winnable for Trump has been just that, talk. Polls have consistently had Hillary ahead, and these early votes don't suggest a strong R trend in the state.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: IceSpear on November 01, 2016, 10:16:08 PM
Wisconsin early vote so far: 51% Dem, 37% Rep. In 2012 it was: 46% Dem, 39% Rep
2012: 46% Dem, 39% Rep, 15% Other (231,000)
2016: 51% Dem, 37% Rep, 12% Other (446,000)

relax bruh - it's all Trump Dems folks!

All those Reagan Democrats in Madison!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on November 01, 2016, 10:21:09 PM
Do people really think that Hillary is in danger of losing Wisconsin? If Marquette somehow shows a tied race or Trump ahead, then there might be cause for concern, but it seems like all the talk about Wisconsin being winnable for Trump has been just that, talk. Polls have consistently had Hillary ahead, and these early votes don't suggest a strong R trend in the state.

charles franklin, the marquette pollster director has a very stringent LV screen; combined with polling at the height of comey-gate i wouldn't be surprised with a close tesult. i wonder what he finds with the early vote?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Badger on November 01, 2016, 10:22:17 PM
Compared to Obama (which is OK) or compared to Gore/Kerry (which is not OK)

I'm not sure. This is my first election that I've canvassed in. It's not that they aren't voting - it seems like all the older (30 - 35+) African Americans I've talked to are definitely voting.. it's the younger ones. I have noticed a steep decline in interest between knocking on a middle+ age black voter's door and a <30 door. It doesn't seem like they are against Hillary, but they just seem really turned off to the whole thing. However, most of them said they were going to vote, but it sounded to me like a 50/50 or maybe 60/40 chance that they vote as opposed to 80/20 for the older folks.

did you really just call 30 and up "older"? >:(


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on November 01, 2016, 10:33:17 PM
The selected results earlier already implied this, but:

Quote
@steveschale  12s12 seconds ago

It appears that turnout today was pretty good around the state (of FL).
Quote
@steveschale  16s17 seconds ago Florida, USA

Dems had their biggest plurality day of in person early in Orlando since last Wed & NPA had biggest turnout day this cycle #GoodNews


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Badger on November 01, 2016, 10:35:16 PM
as i said.

black is up...all others are even more up.

but the end result is the same. if white voters are an increased share of the electorate, Trump benefits bigly.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on November 01, 2016, 10:41:25 PM
but the end result is the same. if white voters are an increased share of the electorate, Trump benefits bigly.

i don't really believe it is possible to make such generalized claims about racial identity but we are going to see it soon.

cohn and macdonald are btw doubting the claim about 28%....

cohn said, their own models have trump getting support from early voting republicans 80 - 10.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on November 01, 2016, 10:46:02 PM
as i said.

black is up...all others are even more up.

but the end result is the same. if white voters are an increased share of the electorate, Trump benefits bigly.

but they won't be...white share of the florida electorate modeled to be 2-3% less than 2012.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on November 01, 2016, 10:46:38 PM
How many have already voted in Florida? In mln or  in % of total of 2012.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on November 01, 2016, 10:47:55 PM
but they won't be...white share of the florida electorate modeled to be 2-3% less than 2012.

maybe in the end but it won't be transparent...many UNAFF are non-white but you wouldn't know.

@trumpista...one or 2 days ago, about 1/3 of the measured vote.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on November 01, 2016, 10:48:01 PM
as i said.

black is up...all others are even more up.

but the end result is the same. if white voters are an increased share of the electorate, Trump benefits bigly.

but they won't be...white share of the florida electorate modeled to be 2-3% less than 2012.


Steve Schale
‏@steveschale
@MichaelWLemme @stevandrews @EsotericCD @FingerootB @KFILE won't be more than 3. Was 67. I think 65 is probably best case & very good

this is in relation to what share the white electorate in florida will be


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on November 01, 2016, 10:50:24 PM
Excited White Trump supporters voted very early, now tapped out?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on November 01, 2016, 10:52:11 PM
Wisconsin early vote so far: 51% Dem, 37% Rep. In 2012 it was: 46% Dem, 39% Rep
2012: 46% Dem, 39% Rep, 15% Other (231,000)
2016: 51% Dem, 37% Rep, 12% Other (446,000)

relax bruh - it's all Trump Dems folks!

All those Reagan Democrats in Madison!

IceSpear you literally made me spit out my beer on that....

If you don't have me on ignore from the primaries wanted to say thank you for making me laugh the hardest today, since Arch jumped in to comment on "Angry Puerto Ricans" in Florida, to correct the record on some people wondering about EVs in Florida. :)

Yeah.... there aren't a ton of Reagan Democrats left in Wisconsin period, let alone in Madison.

OT:

Just last Friday, I walked into a bar in a small Coastal Oregon town (Pop 750) and spent a little time on the Video Poker machines before chatting with a couple men with a few decades on me (55-65).

The old-time logger and Elk hunter and myself chatted for an hour while my wife was losing a few bucks on the slots, and although we didn't talk about the current Presidential Election, in the course of a conversation about the Timber Industry in a remote part of NorthCoast Oregon, he made an adamant point about how "Ronald Reagan was the worst President ever" that "destroyed the Unions" and, although some Republicans on this Forum that can't even grow facial hair, like to talk about this mysterious species, reality is that in most parts of the country, these are identified as Republicans, and it doesn't appear that old time Democrats that rejected Reagan, but still own firearms, opposed to increased environmental regulations that impact local jobs, are going down the route of the Trump Train.

True story, no hype, no BS....   If Tillamook County Oregon is going heavy D, even among the mythical species that Republicans and the MSM like to refer to as "Reagan Democrats, I gotta wonder what's going on in places like upstate Wisconsin and UP Michigan....

 


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Virginiá on November 01, 2016, 10:54:27 PM
@NOVA Green: With those numbers in Oregon, do you think Democrats are poised to make anymore gains in the legislature? What about the SoS race - I heard that was close as well, no?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: IceSpear on November 01, 2016, 11:02:26 PM
Wisconsin early vote so far: 51% Dem, 37% Rep. In 2012 it was: 46% Dem, 39% Rep
2012: 46% Dem, 39% Rep, 15% Other (231,000)
2016: 51% Dem, 37% Rep, 12% Other (446,000)

relax bruh - it's all Trump Dems folks!

All those Reagan Democrats in Madison!

IceSpear you literally made me spit out my beer on that....

If you don't have me on ignore from the primaries wanted to say thank you for making me laugh the hardest today, since Arch jumped in to comment on "Angry Puerto Ricans" in Florida, to correct the record on some people wondering about EVs in Florida. :)

Yeah.... there aren't a ton of Reagan Democrats left in Wisconsin period, let alone in Madison.

OT:

Just last Friday, I walked into a bar in a small Coastal Oregon town (Pop 750) and spent a little time on the Video Poker machines before chatting with a couple men with a few decades on me (55-65).

The old-time logger and Elk hunter and myself chatted for an hour while my wife was losing a few bucks on the slots, and although we didn't talk about the current Presidential Election, in the course of a conversation about the Timber Industry in a remote part of NorthCoast Oregon, he made an adamant point about how "Ronald Reagan was the worst President ever" that "destroyed the Unions" and, although some Republicans on this Forum that can't even grow facial hair, like to talk about this mysterious species, reality is that in most parts of the country, these are identified as Republicans, and it doesn't appear that old time Democrats that rejected Reagan, but still own firearms, opposed to increased environmental regulations that impact local jobs, are going down the route of the Trump Train.

True story, no hype, no BS....   If Tillamook County Oregon is going heavy D, even among the mythical species that Republicans and the MSM like to refer to as "Reagan Democrats, I gotta wonder what's going on in places like upstate Wisconsin and UP Michigan....

Thanks! I've never ignored anyone, but even if I did, I don't see why I'd ignore you of all people. You tend to give pretty good analysis. If I was going to ignore anybody it would be the trolls like henster and bronz, spammers like StatesPoll, the jferns of the world, etc.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: psychprofessor on November 01, 2016, 11:03:48 PM
just wanted to mention that my parents recently moved to florida and early voted for hillary. they went to her rally tonight in broward county and my dad was interviewed on tv about voting for hillary..very proud son here!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ozymandias on November 01, 2016, 11:24:21 PM
The Political Hat: "Nevada Early Vote Update 2016 (Day 10 of 14)"

http://politicalhat.com/2016/11/01/nevada-early-vote-update-2016-day-10-of-14/

"In Summary

     With over two-thirds of the early voting over, it continues to look like 2016 will be a worse year than 2012. The Republicans are set to lose two of Nevada’s four Congressional districts, the Assembly, the state Senate for at least four years, and potentially give Cortez Masto a life-time appointment to the U.S. Senate while concomitantly enshrining her as the new Democratic king-maker in Nevada.

     To whit: Republicans should be hitting the panic button like a crack monkey putting down the crack pipe."


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on November 01, 2016, 11:26:46 PM
When a heavy partisan writes an article with such pessimistic outlook, it continues to solidify the fact that NV is gone.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: IceSpear on November 01, 2016, 11:37:13 PM
Yeah, barring something extremely unexpected, NV is gone. Only question now is if Hillary wins by a big enough margin to drag CCM <3 over the finish line.

Congrats to xingkerui and all the rest of us who never bought the junky Nevada polls.

Although I'm sure people will continue to have panic attacks whenever Ralston tweets about how Republicans won Washoe County by 2.6 votes or something, despite the fact that they need to crush it there to even have a chance at winning statewide...


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Xing on November 01, 2016, 11:46:00 PM
Congrats to xingkerui and all the rest of us who never bought the junky Nevada polls.

Thanks :)

Anyway, Heck should overperform Trump, but I think too many people assume that this year's Senate race is a 2012 redux. The thing is, CCM<3 is a decent candidate, and certainly no Berkley, and the only reason Heller won is because many Democrats voted NOTA (he only got 46.5% of the vote).


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Badger on November 01, 2016, 11:47:25 PM
Congrats to xingkerui and all the rest of us who never bought the junky Nevada polls.

Thanks :)

Anyway, Heck should overperform Trump, but I think too many people assume that this year's Senate race is a 2012 redux. The thing is, CCM<3 is a decent candidate, and certainly no Berkley, and the only reason Heller won is because many Democrats voted NOTA (he only got 46.5% of the vote).
Yeah. Heck is f$%ked.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Xing on November 02, 2016, 12:17:39 AM
https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/793682522991308800

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‏@RalstonReports
Dems won Clark today by almost 2,200. Firewall now at 50K, right where it was at this time in '12. Won this day by close to 3,00 in '12.

NV is Safe D :)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on November 02, 2016, 12:18:12 AM

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Dems won Clark today by almost 2,200. Firewall now at 50K, right where it was at this time in '12. Won this day by close to 3,00 in '12.
https://twitter.com/RalstonReports

-->

better than yesterday, no republican break even.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on November 02, 2016, 12:19:12 AM
Nice. Right on target.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on November 02, 2016, 12:19:45 AM
https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/793682522991308800

Quote
‏@RalstonReports
Dems won Clark today by almost 2,200. Firewall now at 50K, right where it was at this time in '12. Won this day by close to 3,00 in '12.

NV is Safe D :)

Great news!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on November 02, 2016, 12:22:17 AM
funny thing is, that a LITTLE BIT closer race than 2012 in NV could be more dangerous for the GOP.....otherwise there wouldn't be death flags everywhere.

need to check this out sometimes.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on November 02, 2016, 12:23:14 AM

Quote

Dems won Clark today by almost 2,200. Firewall now at 50K, right where it was at this time in '12. Won this day by close to 3,00 in '12.
https://twitter.com/RalstonReports

-->

better than yesterday, no republican break even.

Is he saying that Dems won by 3,000 in 2012, but only by 2,200 this time? That's a pretty significant drop.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on November 02, 2016, 12:25:33 AM
Is he saying that Dems won by 3,000 in 2012, but only by 2,200 this time? That's a pretty significant drop.

he is but at that time washoe was much closer.

and i don't think day to day comparisons over 4 years make much sense, if your reach the same number. (same advantage over republicans, even with higher number of people overall)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on November 02, 2016, 12:27:46 AM
Is he saying that Dems won by 3,000 in 2012, but only by 2,200 this time? That's a pretty significant drop.

he is but at that time washoe was much closer.

and i don't think day to day comparisons over 4 years make much sense, if your reach the same number. (same advantage over republicans, even with higher number of people overall)

Sorry to be a broken record, but same raw advantage with a higher total vote means that the % margin is down. If Dems pull even with 2012 %-wise, I'd feel a lot better about the Senate.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on November 02, 2016, 12:30:15 AM

if the people of NV like CCM she is going to win anyway.... if not, she is going to lose even if HRC wins.



Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Dr. Arch on November 02, 2016, 12:35:11 AM
Is he saying that Dems won by 3,000 in 2012, but only by 2,200 this time? That's a pretty significant drop.

he is but at that time washoe was much closer.

and i don't think day to day comparisons over 4 years make much sense, if your reach the same number. (same advantage over republicans, even with higher number of people overall)

Sorry to be a broken record, but same raw advantage with a higher total vote means that the % margin is down. If Dems pull even with 2012 %-wise, I'd feel a lot better about the Senate.

What matters is that the raw vote advantage is now 50,000.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Xing on November 02, 2016, 12:35:56 AM
Is he saying that Dems won by 3,000 in 2012, but only by 2,200 this time? That's a pretty significant drop.

he is but at that time washoe was much closer.

and i don't think day to day comparisons over 4 years make much sense, if your reach the same number. (same advantage over republicans, even with higher number of people overall)

Sorry to be a broken record, but same raw advantage with a higher total vote means that the % margin is down. If Dems pull even with 2012 %-wise, I'd feel a lot better about the Senate.

As I said earlier, the Senate race this year is not the same as it was in 2012. Berkley was damaged, and a lot of people voted NOTA. Heller only got 46.5% of the vote. I doubt that Heck can win with that same percentage.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on November 02, 2016, 12:38:20 AM
contrary to most of the country, we get close to 40% of the overall vote in NV.

dem would need to cannibalize themselves to death to lose this year.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on November 02, 2016, 12:40:18 AM
Is he saying that Dems won by 3,000 in 2012, but only by 2,200 this time? That's a pretty significant drop.

he is but at that time washoe was much closer.

and i don't think day to day comparisons over 4 years make much sense, if your reach the same number. (same advantage over republicans, even with higher number of people overall)

Sorry to be a broken record, but same raw advantage with a higher total vote means that the % margin is down. If Dems pull even with 2012 %-wise, I'd feel a lot better about the Senate.

As I said earlier, the Senate race this year is not the same as it was in 2012. Berkley was damaged, and a lot of people voted NOTA. Heller only got 46.5% of the vote. I doubt that Heck can win with that same percentage.

I certainly don't expect CCM to trail Hillary by as much as Berkeley trailed Obama. Still, based on the polls I've seen, I'd guess she's probably trailing her by 2-4 points. That means we have to make sure Hillary carries the State by at least 4. These EV results seem to suggest that she's in that general area, but they're not enough to feel comfortable yet.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on November 02, 2016, 12:49:48 AM
if it's doable it will be done....as ralston points out, since dems and unions know, HRC is no obama and the latinos are enraged, they are working like mad to GOTV, especially in washoe.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: morgieb on November 02, 2016, 01:15:25 AM
https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/793682522991308800

Quote
‏@RalstonReports
Dems won Clark today by almost 2,200. Firewall now at 50K, right where it was at this time in '12. Won this day by close to 3,00 in '12.

NV is Safe D :)
THE FRIEWEL IS EXPANDING!


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Ogre Mage on November 02, 2016, 01:54:48 AM
The Political Hat: "Nevada Early Vote Update 2016 (Day 10 of 14)"

http://politicalhat.com/2016/11/01/nevada-early-vote-update-2016-day-10-of-14/

"In Summary

     With over two-thirds of the early voting over, it continues to look like 2016 will be a worse year than 2012. The Republicans are set to lose two of Nevada’s four Congressional districts, the Assembly, the state Senate for at least four years, and potentially give Cortez Masto a life-time appointment to the U.S. Senate while concomitantly enshrining her as the new Democratic king-maker in Nevada.

     To whit: Republicans should be hitting the panic button like a crack monkey putting down the crack pipe."

In this story on 538, Jon Ralston says:

Quote
Ralston, who correctly called the victories of Obama in 2012 (based on the early vote) and Reid in 2010, thinks the polls are leaning too Republican, given the early vote numbers. As he told me: “I’ve been following these early voting numbers for a few cycles and they predict a lot in Nevada: the 2012 Obama victory, the 2014 red wave. Unless there are seriously strange voting patterns going on, this is just about over here for Trump.” If it is over for Trump in Nevada, he loses six electoral votes in a race he probably can’t afford to lose.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-early-vote-in-nevada-suggests-clinton-might-beat-her-polls-there/ (http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-early-vote-in-nevada-suggests-clinton-might-beat-her-polls-there/)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: IceSpear on November 02, 2016, 01:58:27 AM
Yeah, NV is safe D, but lol @ the idea that "Trump can't afford to lose it."


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: NOVA Green on November 02, 2016, 02:23:51 AM
@NOVA Green: With those numbers in Oregon, do you think Democrats are poised to make anymore gains in the legislature? What about the SoS race - I heard that was close as well, no?

Virginia----

As you likely well know Oregon is one of those weird states where there can be both massive blowouts in Presidential races, but statewide races frequently go into a traditional "upstate" vs "downstate" dynamic.

That being said, I strongly suspect that the Republicans chances of winning their first statewide election since 2002 (SoS) race will likely fail considering what appears to be a major down-ballot effect against even moderate Republicans that have been carefully groomed in what has rapidly become a one-party state, where we used to vote for Republican Senators like the much esteemed Mark Hatfield, not even to mention the great and honorable Tom McCall...

Now, Brad Avakian is well respected figure when it comes to items like worker's rights (Throughout almost all of Oregon) when he was a steward over the Labors & Industries office, but got hit hard in the primaries, including some major endorsements for his opponent for "politicizing" the SoS office on items outside of his State Constitutional jurisdiction.

State House & Senate--- It only takes one seat on the OR House to create a Supermajority, so will need to take some guesses as to where the pickups might be.

OR- HD-06- Medford--- Traditionally Republican town shifting D.

OR-HD-15- Albany--- used to be a heavily Republican city that voted Obama in '08 and is a working-class town and commuter town with a rapidly growing Latino population and more affordable than some neighboring communities in terms of housing. Personal note- Have a few Grandchildren now enrolled in Elementary School out there that are now virtually bilingual, as a result of living in a city where Latinos now represent 40% of the young folks in the community. (Republican incumbant running unopposed) :(

OR-HD-19- SE Salem---- I could also see this as a potential flip in a wave election. Salem is the largest city in Oregon with a major Latino population, and even though the district includes some suburbs and rural areas outside of the city, and is predominately Anglo, Trump isn't very popular within the City of Salem, although he'll probably do ok in rural parts of Marion County overall.

OR-HD-23- Rural Benton/Polk/Yamhill--- This ones a bit weird, considering how many folks on the Forum consider Democrats to not exist in small town and rural America.

As I learned several decades back as a "young buck" this is a part of the state in the beautiful foothills of the Oregon Coast range where "the Rednecks grow dope" and the "hippies own guns". I could tkae any of y'all on a tour of this part of the state and roll through every small village and tell stories about how loggers paid off their mortgages during down times in the Timber industry in the late '70s/early 80s growing a bit of Herb on Federal/State Land and went indoors in the late '80s/ early '90s when the National Guard was sent in to do Aerial and Chopper activities.

Needless to say these parts of the Coast Range in Benton/Polk/Yamhill aren't too crazy about outside political figures telling them what to do...

(Republican Incumbent running unopposed but Libertarians and Pacific Greens will likely do quite well)


OR-HD- 24---  One of the largest Latino rural HD's in the state.... IF we see significant Latino turnout, this could well flip Dem considering the demographics.

OR-HD-37--- Could potentially flip in a Dem surge.... is heavily exurban Portland, but includes places like Tualatin and cities in Clackamas County that are # NeverTrumpers.

OR-HD-54- Bend Oregon. Bizarre that a Republican still represents this district in a heavily Democratic City, although there are some suburban areas outside of town that vote heavily Republican for "normal" party candidates.

So here is my roundup, although all being said, Democrats aren't actually running competitive candidates in many of potential pickups that I identified, but yes Dems could actually win a super-majority if they defend most exiting seats and pick up a few of the others that I identified.











Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on November 02, 2016, 06:20:48 AM
Yeah, NV is safe D, but lol @ the idea that "Trump can't afford to lose it."

if he loses it, way nm/nh/nv is initially blocked....and now he MUST switch at least 3 midwestern states. (oh + ia × ?)


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on November 02, 2016, 07:40:16 AM
I start to think, that Upshot/Sienna was a pretty big outlier. NC is clearly a tossup. Probably slightly towards Trump.
[with all information for now]

From https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/793792941127004160
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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on November 02, 2016, 07:44:41 AM
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Republicans continue to overachieve in NC but so do unaffiliated people.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on November 02, 2016, 08:01:58 AM
It looks like the FL/NC polls are backwards, with NC being less diverse, Florida being more diverse (Latinos more than offsetting lower Black share).


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: alomas on November 02, 2016, 08:09:29 AM
Florida has updated its numbers and Republicans have actually increased their advantage to 15-20k! NC also look favourably for Trump judging by the early vote, Clinton must overperform Obama amongst Indies by a few points and the black numbers are down. Both states are close though but I'd give an edge for Trump. In Arizona, Ohio and Iowa he has a bigger edge IMO. Strange decision from her to campaign in Arizona today.

But unfortunately I can't see a firewall state that is going to fall. Pennsylvania and Michigan look the best bet judging by the fact they are not voting until Election Day. She is ahead by a few points though.

It looks like the FL/NC polls are backwards, with NC being less diverse, Florida being more diverse (Latinos more than offsetting lower Black share).
I wouldn't say so. Florida's Hispanics are less favourable to Clinton than national average while blacks voted almost unanimously for her.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gustaf on November 02, 2016, 08:10:36 AM
I haven't followed this in enough detail so I'd be glad if someone could help me out. I have the following 2 impressions:

1. Early voting statistics as posted in this thread (racial/partisan breakdown of early voters) show middling to poor results for Clinton, in aggregate - that is, she's running close to or slightly behind Obama 2012 numbers in those terms.

2. Polls consistently indicate Clinton is leading and leading big among early voters.

Could this suggest that Clinton is simply doing a lot better among whites than Obama did and taken together this is kind of a good sign? Or is one of my impressions wrong? Or is there another explanation?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on November 02, 2016, 08:15:09 AM
I wouldn't say so. Florida's Hispanics are less favourable to Clinton than national average while blacks voted almost unanimously for her.

The surging Hispanic vote definitely isn't voting for Trump. They were 60-40 for Obama in 2012 in Florida, maybe 70-30 at worst for her this year, which is still a huge improvement.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: The Other Castro on November 02, 2016, 08:15:18 AM
I haven't followed this in enough detail so I'd be glad if someone could help me out. I have the following 2 impressions:

1. Early voting statistics as posted in this thread (racial/partisan breakdown of early voters) show middling to poor results for Clinton, in aggregate - that is, she's running close to or slightly behind Obama 2012 numbers in those terms.

2. Polls consistently indicate Clinton is leading and leading big among early voters.

Could this suggest that Clinton is simply doing a lot better among whites than Obama did and taken together this is kind of a good sign? Or is one of my impressions wrong? Or is there another explanation?

My guess is that the largest discrepancy comes from new, more Democratic-voting prone voters, like Hispanics and Latinos, registering as Unaffiliated voters. The D v. R matchups alone likely wouldn't be producing such a lead for Clinton in early voter polls unless the U's were breaking heavily for her.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on November 02, 2016, 08:16:18 AM
2. Polls consistently indicate Clinton is leading and leading big among early voters.
It depends on how well Obama was doing in polls among EV. For instance if he was doing ~better, then it is nothing strange at all. And MOE should be taken into account.

Otherwise, it could indicate some sort of realigment (that would not shoke me).

It looks like the FL/NC polls are backwards, with NC being less diverse, Florida being more diverse (Latinos more than offsetting lower Black share).

What is raw numbers of EV by race in Florida 2012 vs 2016?


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: HillOfANight on November 02, 2016, 08:21:47 AM
http://www.nbcnews.com/card/hispanics-make-greater-share-florida-early-vote-2016-n676486
Whites down 4%.

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Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Gustaf on November 02, 2016, 08:26:48 AM
2. Polls consistently indicate Clinton is leading and leading big among early voters.
It depends on how well Obama was doing in polls among EV. For instance if he was doing ~better, then it is nothing strange at all. And MOE should be taken into account.

Otherwise, it could indicate some sort of realigment (that would not shoke me).

It looks like the FL/NC polls are backwards, with NC being less diverse, Florida being more diverse (Latinos more than offsetting lower Black share).

What is raw numbers of EV by race in Florida 2012 vs 2016?

I guess that's possible but it'd imply white early voters differ enormously from white election day voters. Is that the case? 


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: fldemfunds on November 02, 2016, 08:27:21 AM
http://www.nbcnews.com/card/hispanics-make-greater-share-florida-early-vote-2016-n676486
Whites down 4%.

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With a week of EV to go. I think they'll be around 66-67% this cycle at the end of it all.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: BoAtlantis on November 02, 2016, 08:28:37 AM
Steve Schale

http://steveschale.com/

Total Ballots cast: 4,466,624

Total Vote By Mail: 2,168,750(51.4%)
Total Early Vote: 2,297,874 (48.6%)

Republicans: 1,798,954 (40.3%)
Democrats: 1,781,498 (39.9%)
NPA: 886,172 (19.8%)

Total Margin: GOP +0.39%

there are still 1,173,799 vote-by-mail ballots sitting out there, and yes, Democrats have more outstanding mail in ballots than Republicans. Unreturned vote-by-mail ballots remains the same as yesterday, looking like this: 41D-35R-24NPA, meaning 82,541 more Democrats have ballots sliding between the couch cushions.

"Secondly, Hispanics are absolutely surging. Almost 14% of the electorate, more than half of Hispanic Dems (51%) and Hispanic NPA (57%) are low propensity, which has led the Dems to a 90k voter lead with unlikely voters. Now 31% of Dem voters are low propensity, compared to 24% of Republicans. It's higher than both with NPAs."

"I've been thinking about the "why Dems aren't ahead" question, and I think the answer may be more structural than obvious. Over the last four years, Democrats have lost about 400k white Dems, many to party switching, and a large number in North Florida. I'm going to explore this question more, but I have a hunch those 12 leads people keep talking about week built, in part, with voters who are not Dems anymore, and probably in the end didn't vote for Obama."


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Brittain33 on November 02, 2016, 08:34:39 AM
I'm not buying this lower black turnout theory.  Black voters are probably less enthusiastic about Hillary than they were for Obama 4 years ago, so they aren't turning out day 1 to vote for her.  But at the end of the day they are a reliable voting bloc and they will eventually turn out for her. 

It feels non-controversial for me. Black turnout ticked up noticeably in 2008 and 2012 to be higher than white turnout; why shouldn't it drift down closer to 2004 levels? No one was surprised that Dem turnout in Florida was down after Lieberman wasn't on the ballot. It's about the infrequent voters on the margins who need this particular affinity to feel like voting relevant.


Title: Re: The absentee/early vote thread
Post by: Stranger in a strange land on November 02, 2016, 08:47:01 AM
I wouldn't say so. Florida's Hispanics are less favourable to Clinton than national average while blacks voted almost unanimously for her.

The surging Hispanic vote definitely isn't voting for Trump. They were 60-40 for Obama in 2012 in Florida, maybe 70-30 at worst for her this year, which is still a huge improvement.
Remember also that much of the new Hispanic vote is either Puerto Ricans fleeing economic collapse on the Island, and if memory serves, Puerto Ricans vote Democratic at nearly the rate Blacks do. Also, young Cubans who would have aged into the voting pool or registered for the first time are much less Republican than their elders.