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Election Archive => 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls => Topic started by: amdcpus on September 10, 2016, 10:31:19 PM



Title: Clinton +5 in ABC/Washington Post Poll
Post by: amdcpus on September 10, 2016, 10:31:19 PM
LV:

Clinton 46 Trump 41 Johnson 9 Stein 2

Clinton 51 Trump 43

RV:

Clinton 45 Trump 35 Johnson 11 Stein 3

Clinton 51 Trump 40

September 5-8


Title: Re: Clinton +5 in ABC/Washington Post Poll
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on September 10, 2016, 10:33:05 PM
Fascinating...


Title: Re: Clinton +5 in ABC/Washington Post Poll
Post by: Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon on September 10, 2016, 10:37:39 PM
This makes it pretty clear Johnson won't qualify for the 1st debate.


Title: Re: Clinton +5 in ABC/Washington Post Poll
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 10, 2016, 10:38:18 PM
Beautiful! The CLINTON RESURGENCE has officially begun! 🎉🎉🎉


Title: Re: Clinton +5 in ABC/Washington Post Poll
Post by: Devout Centrist on September 10, 2016, 10:39:06 PM
So her lead, at least according to this poll, could be anywhere from 5 to 11 points.


Title: Re: Clinton +5 in ABC/Washington Post Poll
Post by: Doimper on September 10, 2016, 10:41:47 PM
we're doomed guys


Title: Re: Clinton +5 in ABC/Washington Post Poll
Post by: Maxwell on September 10, 2016, 10:42:18 PM
LV looks very good - 5 in the four way and 8 in the 2 way. Impressive!


Title: ABC/WaPo: Clinton +5/+8
Post by: heatcharger on September 10, 2016, 10:44:08 PM
Whoa! Obama at 58% approval!

Decent numbers for Hillary. Why has the traditional RV/LV split returned though?


Title: Re: ABC/WaPo: Clinton +5/+8
Post by: Seriously? on September 10, 2016, 10:46:25 PM
Whoa! Obama at 58% approval!

Decent numbers for Hillary. Why has the traditional RV/LV split returned though?
Because it was always going to return. Anyone have the cross-tabs yet? (or even an actual link to the results?)


Title: Re: ABC/WaPo: Clinton +5/+8
Post by: Ebsy on September 10, 2016, 10:47:26 PM
Whoa! Obama at 58% approval!

Decent numbers for Hillary. Why has the traditional RV/LV split returned though?
Our glorious president!


Title: Re: Clinton +5 in ABC/Washington Post Poll
Post by: Devout Centrist on September 10, 2016, 10:47:31 PM
Link?


Title: Re: Clinton +5 in ABC/Washington Post Poll
Post by: heatcharger on September 10, 2016, 10:49:23 PM
http://www.langerresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/1181a12016Election.pdf

Looks like some other firm released it early.


Title: Re: Clinton +5 in ABC/Washington Post Poll
Post by: Fusionmunster on September 10, 2016, 10:49:30 PM
Is the sky falling yet?


Title: Re: Clinton +5 in ABC/Washington Post Poll
Post by: Ebsy on September 10, 2016, 10:59:13 PM
http://www.langerresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/1181a12016Election.pdf

Looks like some other firm released it early.
Langer Research is the firm that conducts the ABC/Washington Post poll.


Title: Re: Clinton +5 in ABC/Washington Post Poll
Post by: Seriously? on September 10, 2016, 11:06:40 PM
http://www.langerresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/1181a12016Election.pdf

Looks like some other firm released it early.
Langer Research is the firm that conducts the ABC/Washington Post poll.
More like the Washington Post did. But ironically, the link to the cross-tabs doesn't work on their site right now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-holds-lead-over-trump-in-new-poll-but-warning-signs-emerge/2016/09/10/800dee0c-76c8-11e6-b786-19d0cb1ed06c_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_poll-12am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory


Title: Re: Clinton +5 in ABC/Washington Post Poll
Post by: swf541 on September 10, 2016, 11:27:05 PM
That LV/RV gap could explain a lot about Clinton's comments yesterday.  Trump's base is already revved up.  Need to work to turn out those disgusted by Trump.

Pretty much this, that was definitely a base rousing move.


Title: Re: Clinton +5 in ABC/Washington Post Poll
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on September 10, 2016, 11:29:13 PM
Awesome news! I hope Clinton starts pulling away even more with all this putin and clinton coming out on the offensive against the orange pig.


Title: Re: Clinton +5 in ABC/Washington Post Poll
Post by: Gass3268 on September 10, 2016, 11:30:04 PM
Lol, at Trump's % with African Americans.


Title: Re: Clinton +5 in ABC/Washington Post Poll
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 10, 2016, 11:31:50 PM
Great to see that Obama has consolidated his support among those non-deplorables in our society. That remaining 40% disapproval is located almost entirely within the basket, unfortunately.


Title: Re: Clinton +5 in ABC/Washington Post Poll
Post by: Dr. Arch on September 10, 2016, 11:33:31 PM
Wonderful poll results


Title: Re: Clinton +5 in ABC/Washington Post Poll
Post by: Gass3268 on September 10, 2016, 11:51:27 PM
College educated white males are tied!


Title: Re: Clinton +5 in ABC/Washington Post Poll
Post by: Ebsy on September 11, 2016, 12:14:25 AM
The end of the Republican Party if true.


Title: Re: Clinton +5 in ABC/Washington Post Poll
Post by: OneJ on September 11, 2016, 12:23:37 AM
Damn. 4 percent of Blacks prefer Stein compared to 3 percent for Trump. I'm so proud of my race!

Also, why did they throw all of the under 40 peeps together?

Look at the data for Bernie's primary supporters:

Hillary: 77%

Trump: 2% (I still remember a guy on MSNBC stating that he heard one Bernie-or-Buster saying he would vote for Trump during the Convention. LOL!)

Gary: 10%

Stein: 8% (I'm kind of shocked she is trailing Johnson slightly among this group.)


Now look at the data from non-Trump primary supporters:

Hillary: 6%

Trump: 74%

Gary: 19%

Stein: 0%


Title: Re: Clinton +5 in ABC/Washington Post Poll
Post by: Ljube on September 11, 2016, 12:28:29 AM
Great to see that Obama has consolidated his support among those non-deplorables in our society. That remaining 40% disapproval is located almost entirely within the basket, unfortunately.

So, 40% of our society are the deplorables?

Interestingly enough, even though I support Trump, I approve of Obama now, FWIW.


Title: Re: Clinton +5 in ABC/Washington Post Poll
Post by: Ebsy on September 11, 2016, 12:38:07 AM
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Title: Re: Clinton +5 in ABC/Washington Post Poll
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on September 11, 2016, 05:04:18 AM
But where are all unskevers? It is clearly an outlier. As CNN.

Her RV lead increased from +8 to +10? Common!
Obama has 58% approval rating? Common!

But Hillary's alt right speech seems to work as I predicted. I wounder how "deplorables" statement will play out :)



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Title: Re: Clinton +5 in ABC/Washington Post Poll
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on September 11, 2016, 05:13:54 AM
They BTH weight by party identification (compared to their latest polls).

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This survey uses statistical weighting procedures to account for deviations in the
survey sample from known population characteristics, which helps correct for
differential survey participation and random variation in samples. The overall adult
sample is weighted to correct for differential probabilities of selection among
individuals who are landline-only, cell phone-only or dual users. Results are also
weighted match the demographic makeup of the population by sex, region, age, education
and race/ethnicity according to the latest Current Population Survey Social and
Economic Supplement by age, race/ethnicity, sex and education. The sample is weighted
to an average of the current sample’s party identification and an average of recent
Post-ABC surveys conducted by SRBI.



Title: Re: Clinton +5 in ABC/Washington Post Poll
Post by: Seriously? on September 11, 2016, 05:20:17 AM
They BTH weight by party identification (compared to their latest polls).

Someone that is smarter than me explain to me this... They find the voter intensity on Trump's side. Write about how big of a difference it is and then at the end of the poll, admit they are weighing to party ID.

Then there's this:

Democrats-Republicans-independents, in the full sample, and 36-28-31 among likely voters.

What the hell kind of sample did they get in that scenario? I don't even think it was D+8 in 2008.

There hasn't been a D+8 exit poll going back to 1992. There hasn't been a Republican number at 28 in that time period either. There must be a hell of a lot of Trump-supporting independents then or something...

No... wait.. Clinton wins independents...


Title: Re: Clinton +5 in ABC/Washington Post Poll
Post by: windjammer on September 11, 2016, 05:43:07 AM
This poll is a bit overestimating Clinton I guess. I think she's more likely leading Trump by 5 points right now.


Title: Re: Clinton +5 in ABC/Washington Post Poll
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on September 11, 2016, 05:51:09 AM
They BTH weight by party identification (compared to their latest polls).

Someone that is smarter than me explain to me this... They find the voter intensity on Trump's side. Write about how big of a difference it is and then at the end of the poll, admit they are weighing to party ID.

Then there's this:

Democrats-Republicans-independents, in the full sample, and 36-28-31 among likely voters.

What the hell kind of sample did they get in that scenario? I don't even think it was D+8 in 2008.

There hasn't been a D+8 exit poll going back to 1992. There hasn't been a Republican number at 28 in that time period either. There must be a hell of a lot of Trump-supporting independents then or something...

No... wait.. Clinton wins independents...

Where did you find crosstabs and performance among party identification?

Here https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3105532/2016-09-08-Trend-for-Release.pdf (https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3105532/2016-09-08-Trend-for-Release.pdf)

There is
D       34%
R       24%
I        33%
Other   5%
NO       3%


Title: Re: Clinton +5 in ABC/Washington Post Poll
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on September 11, 2016, 06:02:17 AM
Many questions about Clinton/Trump. Women/wall, bending the rules/emails/foundation.
Even in this sample 69% vs 24% thinks she is too willing to bend the rules :o

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Title: Re: Clinton +5 in ABC/Washington Post Poll
Post by: Podgy the Bear on September 11, 2016, 07:32:05 AM
Great news!  Now it's time to close the LV/RV gap.  And it looks like the "deplorable" comment is meant to do that.


Title: Re: Clinton +5 in ABC/Washington Post Poll
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on September 11, 2016, 07:38:01 AM
Clinton is up by 2.