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Election Archive => 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls => Topic started by: Tender Branson on September 12, 2016, 10:51:47 AM



Title: MI-FOX2 Detroit/Mitchell: Hillary up 5 (and 6)
Post by: Tender Branson on September 12, 2016, 10:51:47 AM
IVR FOX 2 Detroit – Mitchell Poll of Michigan
Conducted September 6-7, 2016 Survey
(N=940 Likely Voters)

45% Clinton
39% Trump
  7% Johnson
  1% Stein

47% Clinton
42% Trump

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/FOX_2_Detroit-Mitchell_Poll_of_MI_Press_Clinton_v_Trump_9-9-16.pdf


Title: Re: MI-FOX2 Detroit/Mitchell: Hillary up 5 (and 6)
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on September 12, 2016, 10:56:03 AM
From Clinton +11 in early August


Title: Re: MI-FOX2 Detroit/Mitchell: Hillary up 5 (and 6)
Post by: Tender Branson on September 12, 2016, 10:56:45 AM
Compared with their previous poll:

Clinton: +1
Trump: +6
Johnson: -2
Stein: -4


Title: Re: MI-FOX2 Detroit/Mitchell: Hillary up 5 (and 6)
Post by: windjammer on September 12, 2016, 10:57:57 AM
It's MI polling so I guess it's good news lol?


Title: Re: MI-FOX2 Detroit/Mitchell: Hillary up 5 (and 6)
Post by: Lief 🗽 on September 12, 2016, 11:19:38 AM
Yup, Clinton is set for a double digit win here. Great news!


Title: Re: MI-FOX2 Detroit/Mitchell: Hillary up 5 (and 6)
Post by: Classic Conservative on September 12, 2016, 11:19:46 AM
It seems right


Title: Re: MI-FOX2 Detroit/Mitchell: Hillary up 5 (and 6)
Post by: HillOfANight on September 12, 2016, 11:56:46 AM
https://twitter.com/AlanIAbramowitz/status/775353693331914753

Alan Abramowitz who writes for the Crystal Ball

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Robo-dialer Mitchell Research claims Clinton leads among Latinos by 12 and among Af-Amer voters by 61 in Michigan. Both ludicrous.


Title: Re: MI-FOX2 Detroit/Mitchell: Hillary up 5 (and 6)
Post by: The Other Castro on September 12, 2016, 12:17:52 PM
Also, this is a landline-only poll according to Nate Cohn.


Title: Re: MI-FOX2 Detroit/Mitchell: Hillary up 5 (and 6)
Post by: Xing on September 12, 2016, 12:56:25 PM
Trump isn't going to win Michigan.


Title: Re: MI-FOX2 Detroit/Mitchell: Hillary up 5 (and 6)
Post by: Maxwell on September 12, 2016, 12:58:23 PM
Michigan isn't even going to trend Republican! Terrific!


Title: Re: MI-FOX2 Detroit/Mitchell: Hillary up 5 (and 6)
Post by: Southern Delegate matthew27 on September 12, 2016, 01:12:20 PM
https://twitter.com/AlanIAbramowitz/status/775353693331914753

Alan Abramowitz who writes for the Crystal Ball

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Robo-dialer Mitchell Research claims Clinton leads among Latinos by 12 and among Af-Amer voters by 61 in Michigan. Both ludicrous.

Lol, trash poll. Double Clintons lead to at least 10.


Title: Re: MI-FOX2 Detroit/Mitchell: Hillary up 5 (and 6)
Post by: Phony Moderate on September 12, 2016, 02:23:59 PM
https://twitter.com/AlanIAbramowitz/status/775353693331914753

Alan Abramowitz who writes for the Crystal Ball

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Robo-dialer Mitchell Research claims Clinton leads among Latinos by 12 and among Af-Amer voters by 61 in Michigan. Both ludicrous.

Polling subsamples aren't intended to be accurate representations of the subsample groups. It's kind of disturbing that even people on *this* forum don't understand that.


Title: Re: MI-FOX2 Detroit/Mitchell: Hillary up 5 (and 6)
Post by: Phony Moderate on September 12, 2016, 02:27:43 PM
Having said that, it's still a Michigan pollster, so if this is right it's an accident.


Title: Re: MI-FOX2 Detroit/Mitchell: Hillary up 5 (and 6)
Post by: Maxwell on September 12, 2016, 02:29:30 PM
Michigan pollsters also said Obama would only win Michigan by 4 in 2012. He won by 10. Michigan pollsters are just genuinely bad at this.


Title: Re: MI-FOX2 Detroit/Mitchell: Hillary up 5 (and 6)
Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on September 12, 2016, 03:27:59 PM
RCP moves Michigan to tossup.  Should a couple Trump-friendly polls shift CO and MN to tossup as well, tossup would actually be "leading" both Trump and Clinton!!


Title: Re: MI-FOX2 Detroit/Mitchell: Hillary up 5 (and 6)
Post by: NOVA Green on September 12, 2016, 03:42:17 PM
Michigan pollsters also said Obama would only win Michigan by 4 in 2012. He won by 10. Michigan pollsters are just genuinely bad at this.

Not sure if it just Michigan pollsters in general, but as I noted on another thread elsewhere Democrats tend to close really strong in Michigan (And Wisconsin '04 being the exception) come November compared to early Fall polling.


Title: Re: MI-FOX2 Detroit/Mitchell: Hillary up 5 (and 6)
Post by: Lachi on September 12, 2016, 04:52:02 PM
Is anyone gonna notice that

          This is a landline-only poll according to Nate Cohn.


Title: Re: MI-FOX2 Detroit/Mitchell: Hillary up 5 (and 6)
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on September 12, 2016, 06:29:00 PM
Is anyone gonna notice that

          This is a landline-only poll according to Nate Cohn.

No... don't highlight methodological shortcomings, that's 'unskewing'.


Title: Re: MI-FOX2 Detroit/Mitchell: Hillary up 5 (and 6)
Post by: Gass3268 on September 12, 2016, 06:47:44 PM
Is anyone gonna notice that

          This is a landline-only poll according to Nate Cohn.

No... don't highlight methodological shortcomings, that's 'unskewing'.

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Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn  6h6 hours ago Washington, DC
Nate Cohn Retweeted Nate Cohn
Let me be clearer: by landline only, I mean total garbage


Title: Re: MI-FOX2 Detroit/Mitchell: Hillary up 5 (and 6)
Post by: NOVA Green on September 12, 2016, 07:22:32 PM
So it looks like Michigan is actually falling in line as a +6-8 Clinton state, if not higher.

I'm curious as to what this means for Wisconsin, since one could reasonably accept that they will be
2-3% to right of Michigan.


Title: Re: MI-FOX2 Detroit/Mitchell: Hillary up 5 (and 6)
Post by: Dr. Arch on September 12, 2016, 07:24:31 PM
So it looks like Michigan is actually falling in line as a +6-8 Clinton state, if not higher.

I'm curious as to what this means for Wisconsin, since one could reasonably accept that they will be
2-3% to right of Michigan.

Hillary will end up winning Wisconsin by no less than 5.