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Title: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: The Other Castro on September 13, 2016, 05:51:19 PM
Clinton - 42%
Trump - 39%
Johnson - 9%
Stein - 5%

The poll of 779 likely voters statewide was conducted via automated phone calls and web surveys from Sept. 4 through 10. It had a margin of error of 3.6 percent.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/09/13/new-poll-shows-competitive-race-maine/YNsB57jVpHmEJcJsFZRXMP/story.html?event=event25


Title: Re: ME-Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Sprouts Farmers Market ✘ on September 13, 2016, 05:52:38 PM
I love the lumberjacks!


Title: Re: ME-Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Phony Moderate on September 13, 2016, 05:53:19 PM
College poll, college poll.


Title: Re: ME-Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: The Other Castro on September 13, 2016, 05:54:41 PM
Yay, looks like ME will be closer than NH! :D

Congrats, TN.


Title: Re: ME-Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Dr. Arch on September 13, 2016, 05:55:30 PM
They elected LePage; Trump is just a step down from there to the bottom or just at the same level. Clinton will win ME-01 and the at-large vote. ME-02 could swing for Trump.


Title: Re: ME-Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Classic Conservative on September 13, 2016, 05:56:03 PM
Happy Dance


Title: Re: ME-Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on September 13, 2016, 06:03:26 PM
Deplorables


Title: Re: ME-Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Xing on September 13, 2016, 06:04:32 PM
Never heard of this pollster, but I'll believe Maine being even remotely close when I see it.


Title: Re: ME-Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on September 13, 2016, 06:05:50 PM
Yay, looks like ME will be closer than NH! :D
You'll better wait until new polls from NH ;)


Title: Re: ME-Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on September 13, 2016, 06:08:32 PM
Never heard of this pollster, but I'll believe Maine being even remotely close when I see it.
Wait, whaaat?

You've never heard about SurveyUSA, a top-five pollster according to 538? ???


Title: Re: ME-Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on September 13, 2016, 06:09:36 PM
This thread has a wrong title. Mods, please change it to SurveyUSA! :)


Title: Re: ME-Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Fusionmunster on September 13, 2016, 06:14:36 PM
By the sheer amount of times LittleBigOctopus has posted, im sure hes bieng obnoxious.

Ehh, Maine wont be close. Neither will the second district, just like 2012.


Title: Re: ME-Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: The Other Castro on September 13, 2016, 06:15:29 PM
This thread has a wrong title. Mods, please change it to SurveyUSA! :)

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A Colby College-Boston Globe poll released Tuesday shows the presidential race in Maine now within the margin of error, with Clinton leading Trump, 42 percent to 39 percent.


Title: Re: ME-Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on September 13, 2016, 06:17:01 PM
This thread has a wrong title. Mods, please change it to SurveyUSA! :)

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A Colby College-Boston Globe poll released Tuesday shows the presidential race in Maine now within the margin of error, with Clinton leading Trump, 42 percent to 39 percent.
They bought the poll that was conducted by...

Ehm why didn't you quote the whole part?
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A Colby College-Boston Globe poll released Tuesday shows the presidential race in Maine now within the margin of error, with Clinton leading Trump, 42 percent to 39 percent. Also significant: The poll of likely voters, conducted last week by SurveyUSA, showed only a small portion of respondents — 5 percent — remain undecided less than eight weeks before Election Day.
So poll is from Colby College-Boston Globe, but conducted by SurveyUSA ;)


Title: Re: ME-Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Dr. Arch on September 13, 2016, 06:18:17 PM
This thread has a wrong title. Mods, please change it to SurveyUSA! :)

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A Colby College-Boston Globe poll released Tuesday shows the presidential race in Maine now within the margin of error, with Clinton leading Trump, 42 percent to 39 percent.
They bought the poll that was conducted by...
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SOURCE: Colby College-Boston Globe poll of 779 likely voters conducted by SurveyUSA, Sept. 4 to 10 via automated phone calls and some online surveysPATRICK GARVIN/GLOBE STAFF
So poll is from Colby College-Boston Globe, but conducted by SurveyUSA ;)

It doesn't matter who conducts it, but who designs it.


Title: Re: ME-Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: The Other Castro on September 13, 2016, 06:19:21 PM
This thread has a wrong title. Mods, please change it to SurveyUSA! :)

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A Colby College-Boston Globe poll released Tuesday shows the presidential race in Maine now within the margin of error, with Clinton leading Trump, 42 percent to 39 percent.
They bought the poll that was conducted by...
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SOURCE: Colby College-Boston Globe poll of 779 likely voters conducted by SurveyUSA, Sept. 4 to 10 via automated phone calls and some online surveysPATRICK GARVIN/GLOBE STAFF
So poll is from Colby College-Boston Globe, but conducted by SurveyUSA ;)

Ah woops, I missed that part. I assumed when they said Colby College-Boston Globe poll that they actually meant it was a Colby College-Boston Globe poll. The OP has been changed.


Title: Re: ME-Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on September 13, 2016, 06:20:36 PM
It doesn't matter who conducts it, but who designs it.
Ehm...







Oh, and this poll was conducted before "Deplorables"/pneumonia...


Title: Re: ME-Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Dr. Arch on September 13, 2016, 06:22:25 PM

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Title: Re: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: DrScholl on September 13, 2016, 06:23:42 PM
The one county that votes Republican only did so by about 4% in 2012. I'm not sure why everyone is so determined to believe that Trump will win ME-2, because it's really not all that favorable to normal Republican presidential candidates. Bush only got 46% there both times.


Title: Re: ME-Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on September 13, 2016, 06:25:25 PM
What do you mean by "designs it"? LV-model?

I don't think, that it works that way...


Title: Re: ME-Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Dr. Arch on September 13, 2016, 06:28:22 PM

The methodology can be designed by entity A, yet the project could be conducted by entity B. The quality of the results are primarily restricted by entity A's methodology more than entity B's field practices.

The same logic was used against the PPP polls conducted in a number of states when they were hired by the local Democratic party.


Title: Re: ME-Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on September 13, 2016, 06:36:48 PM

The methodology can be designed by entity A, yet the project could be conducted by entity B. The quality of the results are primarily restricted by entity A's methodology more than entity B's field practices.

OK. As I said, I don't think, that it works that way. They can probably influence how questions are formulated or which model to use: 2-way/2-way, RV/LV etc. But even then, I think, that political part of the poll is done solely by USASurvey.

The same logic was used against the PPP polls conducted in a number of states when they were hired by the local Democratic party.

The criticism was mainly about that the client chooses whether publish the pol or notl. But I doubt that Boston Globe would do it.


Title: Re: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: The Other Castro on September 13, 2016, 06:45:45 PM
Let's not get bogged down by that, it's a SUSA poll. Important questions: What does this poll mean? Does it mean things? Let's find out.


Title: Re: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: mencken on September 13, 2016, 06:48:29 PM
Let's not get bogged down by that, it's a SUSA poll. Important questions: What does this poll mean? Does it mean things? Let's find out.

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Title: Re: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Free Bird on September 13, 2016, 07:00:31 PM
Why oh why would you poll Maine statewide instead of CD by CD?


Title: Re: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: The Other Castro on September 13, 2016, 07:04:09 PM
Ouch. Imagine if the election comes down to ME-2?

A tie is basically a win for Trump, so this probably the most realistic way an ME-2 win for Trump brings it from a 270 Clinton win to a Trump win by tie:

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Title: Re: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Eraserhead on September 13, 2016, 07:05:29 PM
Ouch. Imagine if the election comes down to ME-02?


Title: Re: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Skye on September 13, 2016, 07:06:36 PM
Ouch. Imagine if the election comes down to ME-02?
It probably won't, but I'd imagine a few surprised faces around here.


Title: ME: Survey USA: Trump within three
Post by: RI on September 13, 2016, 07:12:19 PM
New Poll: Maine President by Survey USA on 2016-09-10 (https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2016/polls.php?action=indpoll&id=2320160910019)

Summary: D: 42%, R: 39%, I: 14%, U: 5%

Poll Source URL: Full Poll Details (http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/09/13/new-poll-shows-competitive-race-maine/YNsB57jVpHmEJcJsFZRXMP/story.html?event=event25)


Title: Re: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: heatcharger on September 13, 2016, 07:13:29 PM
For the amount of time and money Trump has poured into this state, this doesn't really surprise me. I still think ME-02 stays Democratic but Bruce Poliquin is probably favored in his reelection bid.


Title: Re: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: MT Treasurer on September 13, 2016, 07:17:21 PM
To be clear, this Clinton +3 is statewide?  Or is it ME-02?

Statewide. Trump leads by 10 in ME-02.


Title: Re: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Lachi on September 13, 2016, 07:18:08 PM
To be clear, this Clinton +3 is statewide?  Or is it ME-02?

Statewide. Trump leads by 10 in ME-02.

What poll has said that?


Title: Re: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Horus on September 13, 2016, 07:18:14 PM
Trump trends best in really white states that are not in the west.


Title: Re: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Lachi on September 13, 2016, 07:20:19 PM

lolnope.


Title: Re: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: MT Treasurer on September 13, 2016, 07:21:01 PM

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But the poll shows Trump’s dominance in the Second Districthe leads Clinton by 10 points there — is boosting him statewide as well. In the 1st Congressional District, which includes Portland and points south, Clinton has an 18-point lead, showing just how politically divided the state is geographically.


Title: Re: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on September 13, 2016, 07:23:20 PM

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But the poll shows Trump’s dominance in the Second Districthe leads Clinton by 10 points there — is boosting him statewide as well. In the 1st Congressional District, which includes Portland and points south, Clinton has an 18-point lead, showing just how politically divided the state is geographically.
Says who?


Title: Re: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on September 13, 2016, 07:24:07 PM
Trump won't win Maine, but ME-02 is at least Lean Trump at this point.  He's been ahead in every poll of the district.


Title: Re: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Classic Conservative on September 13, 2016, 07:24:50 PM

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But the poll shows Trump’s dominance in the Second Districthe leads Clinton by 10 points there — is boosting him statewide as well. In the 1st Congressional District, which includes Portland and points south, Clinton has an 18-point lead, showing just how politically divided the state is geographically.
Says who?
The polls. All of them.


Title: Re: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Xing on September 13, 2016, 07:44:19 PM
Trump won't win Maine, but ME-02 is at least Lean Trump at this point.  He's been ahead in every poll of the district.

By that logic, Wisconsin is at least Lean Clinton, and there have been far more polls there.


Title: Re: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Gass3268 on September 13, 2016, 07:45:05 PM
Trump won't win Maine, but ME-02 is at least Lean Trump at this point.  He's been ahead in every poll of the district.

By that logic, Wisconsin is at least Lean Clinton, and there have been far more polls there.

TBF, Wisconsin is closer to Likely Clinton.


Title: Re: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Ljube on September 13, 2016, 07:45:21 PM
Can Trump win ME at large?


Title: Re: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: The Other Castro on September 13, 2016, 07:50:31 PM

I think he already has won you at large.


Title: Re: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on September 13, 2016, 07:52:13 PM

No, barring a complete Clinton collapse.


Title: Re: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Xing on September 13, 2016, 08:02:09 PM
Trump won't win Maine, but ME-02 is at least Lean Trump at this point.  He's been ahead in every poll of the district.

By that logic, Wisconsin is at least Lean Clinton, and there have been far more polls there.

TBF, Wisconsin is closer to Likely Clinton.

I know, but ER has Trump winning Wisconsin. ;)


Title: Re: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Higgs on September 13, 2016, 08:09:08 PM
Every single poll of ME-02 has shown Trump ahead, and now a very reputable pollster shows him ahead by 10. I don't know why, but I still just don't see him winning here.


Title: Re: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: KingSweden on September 13, 2016, 08:14:03 PM
Every single poll of ME-02 has shown Trump ahead, and now a very reputable pollster shows him ahead by 10. I don't know why, but I still just don't see him winning here.

I think it will be close either way. Poliquin is definitely the favorite, though.


Title: Re: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Ebsy on September 13, 2016, 09:18:55 PM
Never trust a college pollster (other than Monmouth or Marist).


Title: Re: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on September 13, 2016, 09:27:24 PM
Never trust a college pollster (other than Monmouth or Marist).
If you went to the college, you could figure out, it is a poll conducted by SurveyUSA :)


Title: Re: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Seriously? on September 13, 2016, 09:41:16 PM
Never trust a college pollster (other than Monmouth or Marist).
This survey was done by SurveyUSA.

With that said, does anyone see internals for it yet, specifically with the ME-02 breakdown. I don't.


Title: Re: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Ebsy on September 13, 2016, 09:43:51 PM
Never trust a college pollster (other than Monmouth or Marist).
If you went to the college, you could figure out, it is a poll conducted by SurveyUSA :)
Do you have anything of value to say?


Title: Re: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on September 14, 2016, 12:43:28 AM
Never trust a college pollster (other than Monmouth or Marist).
If you went to the college, you could figure out, it is a poll conducted by SurveyUSA :)
Do you have anything of value to say?

:) ;) :O

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Title: Re: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Seriously? on September 14, 2016, 01:07:06 AM
Answering my own question, here are the CD-02 results.

Clinton 37%
Trump 47%
Johnson 8%
Stein 5%
Unsure 4%
397 LV; 9/4-9/10; MOE +/- 5%

http://www.colby.edu/goldfarb/elections/colby-globe-election-poll/


Title: Re: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: StatesPoll on September 14, 2016, 01:16:31 AM
Never trust a college pollster (other than Monmouth or Marist).

2016 Republican Primary Poll(National)  McClatchy/Marist   3/29 - 3/31   444 RV   
http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/usapolls/us160329/MCC/GOP%20Convention/GOP/McClatchy_Marist%20Poll_Republicans%20and%20Convention_Complete%20Survey%20Findings_Nature%20of%20the%20Sample%20and%20Tables_April%202016.pdf

TRUMP 40% | Cruz 35% | Kasich 20%   Trump +5

It was very accurate :p

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Title: Re: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: SPQR on September 14, 2016, 02:28:14 AM
I can see Maine-2 being competitive...but Trump +10? Really?

Does anyone recall how accurate CD-polls were in the last few election cycles?


Title: Re: ME-Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: NOVA Green on September 14, 2016, 02:53:14 AM

Do you love Oregonian lumberjacks as well? ;)

It's not really appearing that Trump is doing spectacularly well in the logging mill towns and pulp mill towns in Oregon, although not so sure about loggers or "lumberjacks" that are a much smaller segment of the forest products industry.

I don't buy the argument that Maine is only +3 Clinton, although I certainly see an opportunity for Trump in ME-02 and considering the demographics could be a significant trend R this election cycle.


Title: Re: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: TheDeadFlagBlues on September 14, 2016, 08:46:13 AM
Here's my take: if Maine was actually this close, the Clinton campaign would be pouring resources into Maine. One could argue that the election has only now tightened to the extent that Maine is competitive but, even then, this poll suggests that Maine has an even PVI and the Clinton campaign would have already opened campaign offices in Maine if this was the case.

This is likely...a junk poll! We'll see though, I expect Maine to swing to Trump if Clinton wins by anything less than 5-6 points nationally.


Title: Re: ME-SurveyUSA/Colby College/Boston Globe: Clinton +3
Post by: Ljube on September 14, 2016, 11:39:31 AM
Here's my take: if Maine was actually this close, the Clinton campaign would be pouring resources into Maine. One could argue that the election has only now tightened to the extent that Maine is competitive but, even then, this poll suggests that Maine has an even PVI and the Clinton campaign would have already opened campaign offices in Maine if this was the case.

This is likely...a junk poll! We'll see though, I expect Maine to swing to Trump if Clinton wins by anything less than 5-6 points nationally.


The Clinton campaign is incompetent.