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Title: Breitbart/Gravis National: Clinton +4
Post by: Fusionmunster on September 23, 2016, 12:24:37 pm
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/09/23/breitbartgravis-poll-clinton-holds-national-lead-at-44-trump-40/
Clinton - 44%
Trump - 40%
Johnson - 5%
Stein - 2%


Title: Re: Breitbart/Gravis National: Clinton +4
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on September 23, 2016, 12:26:26 pm
that breitbart is also paying for polls, showing a constant clinton lead...(improved this time if my memory serves me)...is the cherry of the top of this political week.


Title: Re: Breitbart/Gravis National: Clinton +4
Post by: NV less likely to flip than FL/GA/ME/MN/NC/WI on September 23, 2016, 12:27:48 pm
If Breitbart can't show Trump ahead, something big is going down.


Title: Re: Breitbart/Gravis National: Clinton +4
Post by: Gass3268 on September 23, 2016, 12:28:46 pm
Changes since September 7-8

Clinton - 44% (+1)
Trump - 40% (+/-0)
Johnson - 5% (-2)
Stein - 2% (+1)


Title: Re: Breitbart/Gravis National: Clinton +4
Post by: Absolution9 on September 23, 2016, 12:30:35 pm
Changes since August 22-23

Clinton - 44% (+2)
Trump - 40% (-1)
Johnson - 5% (+1)
Stein - 2% (+1)

The Clinton surge is alive!

Don't think this is right.

Wasn't it:

Clinton 43
Trump 40

last time?  I think the +1 was from 2 polls ago.


Title: Re: Breitbart/Gravis National: Clinton +4
Post by: Maxwell on September 23, 2016, 12:30:58 pm
fail

they keep putting out these polls and they keep not getting the results they obviously want.


Title: Re: Breitbart/Gravis National: Clinton +4
Post by: HillOfANight on September 23, 2016, 12:32:23 pm
Quote
she leads with Hispanics with 50 percent to his 33 percent.

Trump is the leader with Asian-Americans with 49 percent to her 38 percent

LOL


Title: Re: Breitbart/Gravis National: Clinton +4
Post by: Absolution9 on September 23, 2016, 12:33:09 pm
fail

they keep putting out these polls and they keep not getting the results they obviously want.

Gravis is a reasonable (not gold standard) online pollster, pretty sure they wouldn't alter the results to be more favourable to one candidate.  Most likely this is their best attempt to poll the electorate as it is.


Title: Re: Breitbart/Gravis National: Clinton +4
Post by: Maxwell on September 23, 2016, 12:33:40 pm
fail

they keep putting out these polls and they keep not getting the results they obviously want.

Gravis is a reasonable (not gold standard) online pollster, pretty sure they wouldn't alter the results to be more favourable to one candidate.  Most likely this is their best attempt to poll the electorate as it is.

Gravis used to regularly put out polls with no undecideds. They're bad at this.


Title: Re: Breitbart/Gravis National: Clinton +4
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on September 23, 2016, 12:34:15 pm
you are correct i think, absolution, but they have also polled early september and that time the 43% number came up.


Title: Re: Breitbart/Gravis National: Clinton +4
Post by: Gass3268 on September 23, 2016, 12:35:53 pm
Changes since August 22-23

Clinton - 44% (+2)
Trump - 40% (-1)
Johnson - 5% (+1)
Stein - 2% (+1)

The Clinton surge is alive!

Don't think this is right.

Wasn't it:

Clinton 43
Trump 40

last time?  I think the +1 was from 2 polls ago.

You're right, I fixed it.


Title: Re: Breitbart/Gravis National: Clinton +4
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on September 23, 2016, 12:37:52 pm
reading the comments on breitbart is really rich.....

the users don't believe the poll of their own trump-fangirl-site and praise either rasmussen instead or reject ALL polls cause they are all rigged.


Title: Re: Breitbart/Gravis National: Clinton +4
Post by: Absolution9 on September 23, 2016, 12:37:57 pm
fail

they keep putting out these polls and they keep not getting the results they obviously want.

Gravis is a reasonable (not gold standard) online pollster, pretty sure they wouldn't alter the results to be more favourable to one candidate.  Most likely this is their best attempt to poll the electorate as it is.

Gravis used to regularly put out polls with no undecideds. They're bad at this.

I think they were asked to do pure either/or polls by One America News.  Once they switched to Breitbart they started showing normal results.  I don't think it's a knock against them necessarily, more against OAN for asking for a weird format.


Title: Re: Breitbart/Gravis National: Clinton +4
Post by: Edgar Suit Larry on September 23, 2016, 01:00:37 pm
So, unless Clinton doesn't faint or wet herself, she should be OK in Colorado and Wisconsin and Western Civilization is saved....for another four years.


Title: Re: Breitbart/Gravis National: Clinton +4
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on September 23, 2016, 01:13:12 pm
since i think the next democratic president is going to come from a new, millenial-friendly, generation and with a new approach, i think this specific problem won't repeat.....and if there is a liberal SCOTUS majority, there is nothing wrong with a republian presidency in itself....even needed, especially for the democrats to win back some state houses and guv positions.


Title: Re: Breitbart/Gravis National: Clinton +4
Post by: Edgar Suit Larry on September 23, 2016, 01:31:02 pm
since i think the next democratic president is going to come from a new, millenial-friendly, generation and with a new approach, i think this specific problem won't repeat.....and if there is a liberal SCOTUS majority, there is nothing wrong with a republian presidency in itself....even needed, especially for the democrats to win back some state houses and guv positions.

State houses at least...


Title: Re: Breitbart/Gravis National: Clinton +4
Post by: BlueSwan on September 23, 2016, 01:37:14 pm
since i think the next democratic president is going to come from a new, millenial-friendly, generation and with a new approach, i think this specific problem won't repeat.....and if there is a liberal SCOTUS majority, there is nothing wrong with a republian presidency in itself....even needed, especially for the democrats to win back some state houses and guv positions.
Crazy talk. If Clinton doesn't win there is no liberal SCOTUS. Quite the contrary. Also, President Trump means you may not actually survive to see a democratic president in the future.


Title: Re: Breitbart/Gravis National: Clinton +4
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on September 23, 2016, 01:50:18 pm
Crazy talk. If Clinton doesn't win there is no liberal SCOTUS. Quite the contrary. Also, President Trump means you may not actually survive to see a democratic president in the future.

i was, ofc, referring to the NEXT election, since spicy purrito was talking about the next ordeal in 4 years...but i guess i should have made my position more transparent. ^^


Title: Re: Breitbart/Gravis National: Clinton +4
Post by: dspNY on September 23, 2016, 01:51:09 pm
Breitbart still can't put their guy in the lead...what a bunch of jokers


Title: Re: Breitbart/Gravis National: Clinton +4
Post by: Heisenberg on September 23, 2016, 01:51:19 pm
that breitbart is also paying for polls, showing a constant clinton lead...(improved this time if my memory serves me)...is the cherry of the top of this political week.


Title: Re: Breitbart/Gravis National: Clinton +4
Post by: Secret Cavern Survivor on September 23, 2016, 01:53:45 pm
Interesting.


Title: Re: Breitbart/Gravis National: Clinton +4
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on September 23, 2016, 02:13:56 pm
I was robopolled by Gravis on the night of Sept. 19, so I wonder if it was for this poll even though the release says it was conducted on Sept. 20.


Title: Re: Breitbart/Gravis National: Clinton +4
Post by: pbrower2a on September 23, 2016, 03:20:06 pm
From about as prop-Republican a news entity as there is. This is close to Obama 2012.


Title: Re: Breitbart/Gravis National: Clinton +4
Post by: Eraserhead on September 23, 2016, 03:24:38 pm
The fact that anyone is still paying Gravis Marketing for polling is pretty disturbing.


Title: Re: Breitbart/Gravis National: Clinton +4
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on September 23, 2016, 03:42:18 pm
Not really.  If you (the hiring entity) hope for a result to be favorable for Republicans, why not hire a pollster with an R bias?  This is not to accuse Gravis of fudging their numbers -- I do not at all believe they are -- but results have shown that their results tend to bias R.  This is most likely due to their models and methodology.  Other pollsters have D biases, and someone hoping for a D-friendly result would be more likely to hire them; for example, Democracy Corps (I just posted something similar to this in the thread about their recent poll.)  Still other pollsters have little to no bias.

There's certainly a market for pollsters that are favorable to each side.  Pollsters like Gravis and Democracy Corps are just filling this niche in the free market. ;)


Title: Re: Breitbart/Gravis National: Clinton +4
Post by: mark_twain on September 23, 2016, 04:00:41 pm

Great poll!


Title: Re: Breitbart/Gravis National: Clinton +4
Post by: NOVA Green on September 23, 2016, 04:02:23 pm
This reinforces polling we have seen since earlier this week from multiple pollsters indicating a +1-2 Clinton gain over the past week and a Clinton +3-4 point national lead.

Being Breitbart/Gravis they might just be following a "poll herding" model to align results closer to the polling consensus...

As we well know this is not uncommon, and perhaps even more likely from less reputable polling organizations.



Title: Re: Breitbart/Gravis National: Clinton +4
Post by: heatcharger on September 23, 2016, 04:04:32 pm
I love seeing the derangement from the "Don't Tread on Me" avatars in the comment sections in these Breitbart polls.


Title: Re: Breitbart/Gravis National: Clinton +4
Post by: CocaineMitch'sCartel on September 23, 2016, 04:15:11 pm
So Breitbart/Gravis agrees with the consensus that Hillary is up by 6-7 points nationally. Only discredited Scotty Rasmussen disagrees, sad!


Title: Re: Breitbart/Gravis National: Clinton +4
Post by: rob in cal on September 24, 2016, 12:36:02 am
  Junk poll, probably put out there for purposes of psy-ops by Trump to help lull Clintonistas into false sense of security.